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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. Short stuff, I should say,

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh, there's Chuck, there's Jerry. Let's get to it,

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Speaker 1: and they're off And another shorty. So, um, I were

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Speaker 1: about to talk about something I had no idea about

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Speaker 1: previous to this. Yeah, and this one has a couple

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Speaker 1: is an onion for sure? Um, So we're going to

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Speaker 1: dive into the history of a guy named William Rufus

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Speaker 1: Devane King, and he was an early senator. He was

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Speaker 1: a diplomat for the United States. Um, well, I think

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Speaker 1: he was a congressman first, then he was a diplomat,

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Speaker 1: and then he was a senator for like twenty nine

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Speaker 1: vice president. And the way that he apparently progressed through

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Speaker 1: the ranks in the Democratic Party was by being pretty

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Speaker 1: that as also he was a a good guy that

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Speaker 1: the day. Um. He was an attorney first, of course,

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Speaker 1: probably like most of these dudes were and still are.

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Speaker 1: And he he was described as various things tall prim

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Speaker 1: Wig topped mediocrity, but other things that they said were

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Speaker 1: like he he wanted people to address each other with decorum,

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Speaker 1: and whenever people were arguing, he was known to come

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Speaker 1: in and kind of try and reconcile things. So I

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Speaker 1: kind of like this guy's style the more I read

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Speaker 1: about him. Yeah, no, I'm with you, Like you know,

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Speaker 1: time was actually kind of, um, a badge of honor. Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Civil War. The country is not getting along very well, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he he um. He started out again in Congress. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then he went on to service diplomat to Russia

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Speaker 1: And then by eighteen eighteen he returned to the US

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Speaker 1: out west at the time, and he was he was

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Speaker 1: And and from there that's where he became the senator

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Speaker 1: for twenty nine years. He was a senator from Alabama

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Speaker 1: for twenty nine years UM and actually was instrumental in

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Speaker 1: poems about called like Songs of Selma, UM that he was,

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Speaker 1: that he loved. And when they were naming the county

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Speaker 1: of Selma, Alabama. Yeah. So he would eventually go on

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Speaker 1: through the Democratic Party at the time to be vice president,

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Speaker 1: now look back and say President James Buchanan was clearly

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Speaker 1: a gay man, right, And it's interesting to think about

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Speaker 1: our past being a little more open to that. But

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Speaker 1: that James Buchanan was gay, and not only that it

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Speaker 1: wasn't like like his career, his political career wasn't ruined.

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Speaker 1: King moved to Paris to be ambassador to France, he said,

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Speaker 1: James Buchanan was our our first gay president. Yeah, which

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Speaker 1: goes on to say that, um, if this keeps up,

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Speaker 1: the evidence is that what little evidence there is certainly

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Speaker 1: a stupid modern conceit. Yeah. And I think what you

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Speaker 1: how King actually took his oath of office in Cuba

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Speaker 1: And then after about a month he was like, I

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Speaker 1: Set sail for Alabama. Yeah. Yeah, and imagine this, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: and here's something I didn't know. Apparently you didn't really

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Speaker 1: I didn't know about your long standing Franklin Pierce scrudge.

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Speaker 1: It's it's hot. You got anything else? Now? That's it. Well,

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