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Of course, as I mentioned, Zander played unbelievable. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.480 Aaron Oberholzer was out on the golf course with him 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.040 throughout that final round where he chased down grave of 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.080 Woodland and snacked his fourth career victory, and Aaron jumped 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.040 on the podcast with me to chat a little bit 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:07.520 about it. I know it was a couple of days ago, 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.280 but we talked, you know, in a round interviews that 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.160 they rolled out in Golf Channel that I thought did 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.360 a great job with them. We talked a little bit 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.080 about the season and uh, some stuff we do and 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.720 don't do right considering how good the young guys are 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.960 these days as on course analysts. So one of my 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:24.560 favorite dudes in the business, and it was a lot 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.320 of fun chat with him. Uh this uh, this year 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.000 with the Clubhouse, We're gonna continue with some guests. We're 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.720 gonna have some stuff change up a little bit here 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.280 and there around some of the bigger events. But the 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.800 hope is that we will continue the consistency of the 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.840 podcast after this break that you just had to endure. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:41.560 And I feel bad. A lot of people live in 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.919 really cold weather areas and they just sit at home 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.640 with podcast in their earbuds. 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But Aaron Oberholzer 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.120 is here live from Hawaii, and uh, I don't want 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:13.800 to start with the whole people are jealous of you thing. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:15.520 I mean, you're there for two weeks. It's got to 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.120 be great. I know the families out there with you. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.920 I want to ask about the vibe of the broadcasting 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.159 team because I've worked in places that are awesome. You know, 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.240 We've been Pebble Beach, We've been to those types of places, 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.960 and I feel like everybody's kind of strolling around and 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:30.680 has a smile on their face. And then I've been 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.760 to maybe some not so awesome places. What's the vibe 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.000 like for two weeks when you guys get to enjoy Hawaii. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:41.320 I think everybody's a little more relaxed. Um, a little uh, 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.279 not very on edge. Um, you know where I think. 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.360 And you know, even last week's event, you know it's 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.520 the first event of two nineteen. We've got all this 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.640 new stuff we're putting into the broadcast. We've got new graphics, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.320 PGA tours allowing us to walk and talk things like 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:59.240 that and and you know, you would think that everybody's 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.480 on edge, and the was. There was a slight bit 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:05.120 attention in the in the Wednesday meeting, just a little bit, 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.240 but not like it could have been. I think if 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.800 we were if we were stateside, we had that, we 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.400 had the Aloha spirit going for Share last week, and 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:16.080 uh it was really um um, you know, I get 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.440 to work with great people every week. I'm very lucky 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.760 with about that pros pros. I know, I'm the I'm 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:23.960 the I'm the young guy on the crew. On the 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.599 crew as far as you know, the experience on the 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.520 experience side, I mean, Kurt Byron's got twenty years experienced, Uh, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.240 Frank's got twenty years experience. You know, Mark Ralfin got 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.080 thirty years experience broadcasting. So I mean to have those guys, 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.559 and then you look at my producer, Brent Packer, who's 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.520 you know, I I think the world of and is 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.800 a phenomenal producer. Um. You put that team together and 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.520 and I'm just happy to be a part of it, 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.000 quite honestly, and learn and learn from these guys because 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.000 I've learned so much from each one of those guys 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.800 throughout the four or five years that I've been doing stuff, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.800 um in live golf, and and I'm still learning every day. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.400 So to have that kind of crew makes makes life 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.280 a lot easier for for anybody. I think. Yeah, I mean, 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.560 is there talk. I don't want to get too nerdy 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.160 TV insider as you and I kind of like that stuff, 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.560 but is there talk throughout the week before you guys 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:16.000 get going, reminding people this is an Hawaii event, this 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.800 is prime time. It does feel relaxed because I always 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:23.719 feel like the broadcast, especially in the first event, because 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.680 it is a tournament of champions. You know, there is 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.040 a limited field that's not on TV all day and 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.280 all night long. But I've always felt like when you're 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.440 watching it, it feels like a little bit of a vacation. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.200 Is that reiterated between from producers to you guys or 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.240 is that just kind of how it comes off. That's 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.039 just kind of how it comes off. Quite honestly, I 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.400 honestly think that that's just the Island. I mean, that's 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.839 just what the Islands did. Everybody, Um, you know, do 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.000 we we want to make great television, There's no doubt, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:54.000 and everybody is is in. I think everybody's actually better 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.320 because they're relaxed. I think that when you get too 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.159 on edge, you make mistakes or don't you don't add anything. 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.880 I think like, just like doing television is no different 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.159 than playing golf at the highest level, doing television at 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.159 the highest level is no different than than playing golf 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:09.840 at the highest level, just due to the fact that 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.680 you can't play golf when you're anxious and you're uptight 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.320 and you're nervous. It doesn't allow your body and your 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:22.920 mind to be free. Uh, You're you're constantly trying, trying, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.440 trying to do things that maybe you can't do, or 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.080 not allowing your body or your mind to do things 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.520 you can't you you know you can do. And I 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.120 think that when you're relaxed anything have everything happens, uh 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.240 in a in a positive light for the most part, 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.920 on TV and on the golf course. And that's kind 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.440 of how the way I look at it. Um, but 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.680 when you're uptight, it's I think it's tougher to do television. Absolutely. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.240 I remember we had a meeting this year at Shinnicock 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.680 Hills on on a Tuesday or Wednesday, and um, I 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.480 can't remember who stood up. It might have been Joe 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:53.920 It might have been Zinger, it might have been Curtis 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.760 for goodness sake, but somebody stood up and just said, 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.840 and you know, this is a room of you know, 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.360 three digital fee broadcasting teams in the full broadcasting team, 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.320 which is obviously a lot larger than some of the 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.720 other stuff we do, and somebody stood up and said, 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.720 just to a reminder, we're doing golf, and golf is 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.160 supposed to be fun. And the in the whole room 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.000 kind of looked around. You're like, yeah, you know, I mean, 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.080 you're stressed out. It's a big week. It's the biggest 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.920 week we do. But as you said, when you're relaxed 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.840 and enjoying it, it really seems to kind of roll 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.200 off the tongue a lot better. Somebody that seems unbelievably 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.600 relaxed and somebody you've got a chance to walk with 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.640 on Sunday is this twenty five year old kid and 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:35.080 Xander Shafley, who I feel like coming into the season 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.199 and maybe even parts of last season, is this forgotten 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.760 young player and he does what he did on Sunday. 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:42.720 As you mentioned in your post round interview, you know, 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.040 one of the best rounds you've ever seen in person. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.640 And I'm just wondering, do you now think with this 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.360 win and what he continues to do on these final 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.559 rounds and and down the stretch, making birdies on seventeen 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.240 and eighteen, kind of throughout all of his victories, is 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.160 he now in that class of ten fifteen players that 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.400 you consider the upper echelon, if you will, of the 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.800 PGA Tour. Well, he's put him there with it with 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.560 his play. I mean you, I guess you have to, um, 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:12.520 you know six in the world now, um. And I 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.360 don't see. I don't know that there's a ceiling for 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.160 the young man. Quite honestly, I haven't seen one. Um. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.480 He does a lot of things really well, there's not 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.120 We know, you talk about holes and and we said 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.840 the same thing about Jordan's speed. Now we found the 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.480 hole in Jordan's peace game. As we continue to go. 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.240 You know in fifteen, now, uh in there were no 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.480 holes in Jordan's peace game in fifteen, uh there were 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.280 very few. In sixteen, there were, there was, there was, 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.840 there was a couple, there was one in seventeen. There 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.080 was one last year you know obviously with the two 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.240 last year actually with the putting, but that one big 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.640 hole in Jordan's Peace game has become kind of kind 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:55.959 of No, he just doesn't really have the distance. So that, well, 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.360 what do you need to do if you don't have 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.360 that three yard you don't have that three hund plus 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:02.600 yrd drive every week and every hole that you can 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.640 count on, like Xander does, you know, like Dustin Johnson, 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.320 like Chasing Day, like Roy mcilroyd. Well what do you do? Well, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.120 you've got it. You've got to up the other parts 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.160 of your game. Well, Xander doesn't have to worry about that. 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.760 Xander's got that distance. But Xander can also put. He 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.840 can also hit irons, he can hit wedges. He's a 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.880 phenomenal pitcher. The golf boy. He's got beautiful touch around 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.600 the greens, which I think goes unnoticed to a certain 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.520 extent because because of his ball striking, which short game 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:30.319 does go unnoticed with most great ball strikers. Um, but 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.720 a lot of great ball strikers don't ball strike great 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:35.400 all the time, so they have to get it up 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.959 and down. So that's something that that saves round, that 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.120 turns you know, it turns um seventy and seventy two 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.559 into seventies and sixty nine, which keep tournaments going and 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.760 keep you alive for a chance to win. And that's 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.120 what great players do. And that's what I think Xander 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:52.240 is underrated in that regard. Um now giving him all 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.760 the accolades that he doesn't have, the one thing that 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.840 I that I would caution, uh, it's people to watch 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.440 out for and want to see Xander do a little 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.880 bit better. First of all, I think if you're gonna 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.200 knock him, you're gonna say, Okay, he's never he's never 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.640 won from ahead, He's never won with the lead, you know, 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.839 with an outright lead. Okay, well he's a come from 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.880 behind guy. Okay, that's fine. I think that that time 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.520 will come. I think he can hold the lead. I 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.679 think he's got the mental makeup to be able to 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.880 do that, to hold a lead. Um. And the other 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.760 thing I think is his style of play. He is 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:29.160 so aggressive, so aggressive. Nothing says it more than that 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:34.560 shot he hit on seventeen when he's oh, he had 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.680 a one shot lead. And I'm sitting in that fairway 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.480 and I probably heard the call from Kurt BYRONM and 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.560 I and when we were talking and I said, curd, 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.360 if if this kid goes any further, left and thirty 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.640 ft left of the of the flat or thirty ft 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.720 right of the flag. That's too far left. And I 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.000 was dead serious about that, um. And I'm sure people 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:53.800 are saying, oh, this is a new breeder and you're 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.880 you're an old guy. You know, that's how you played golf. 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:57.640 Out of that, I can just picture people on my 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.880 head in this and and but sitting there going people 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.120 don't understand if you've never hit that shot from two 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.640 hundred and some odd yards down that hill where that 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.480 ball hangs in the air forever, and you don't know 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.080 exactly what the wind's gonna do to it. If he 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.480 pulls it a hair, he's potentially down in the penalty 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.319 area with a brutal um dropping three hitting four shot, 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.480 hitting a four shot brutal so um, you know, and 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.760 looking staring six square in the eyes, and that's the 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.079 end of the tournament, done over, forget about it. Um. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.680 But he pulls it off and takes purty to take 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:34.440 a one shot lead going down going into eighteen. So well, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.480 one shot lead that was we would turn into a 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.480 one shot leader here. He obviously came around, came over 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.000 and Burtie Um. But for certain golf courses and I 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:43.600 and I said on Twitter that I felt that he 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.440 would win a major. Um. He's definitely a major winner 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.200 in my opinion. But the things that he's gonna have 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.280 to do it at a major, I think he's gonna 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:54.000 have to kind of cool down that aggressive play. Can't 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.760 be that aggressive an Augusta constantly. You can't definitely can't 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.480 be that aggressive at Pebble Beach coming up this summer, 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:01.680 you and not do that. You're gonna have to take 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.319 thirty feet. You're gonna have to you know, front edge 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.080 plus five when those greens get like bricks. You can't 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.280 fire it every flag. And he'll he'll adjust, I believe, 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.400 But it major championships. You're not you know, on the 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:16.200 PGA Tour regular season events week in week out, Yeah, 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.360 fire flags all you want for the most part. But 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:23.199 when it comes to major championships, you've got to understand 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.079 when to back off and when when you know, okay, 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:30.160 yeah left or right here is fine. So that aggressive nature, 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.960 he'll have to just kind of temper that just a 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.400 little bit when he goes into the into the major championships, 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.280 UM and have a little safer game plan. But but 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.920 he can still, in my opinion, still win those things 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.080 being being the Zander we all know he's just gonna 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.040 have to dial it back just a tad bit. Have 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.760 you noticed I've had an issue with this and you 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.920 made a great point of it earlier when you're talking 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:58.559 about the shot at seventeen. Have you had to change 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.120 your mentality as an on course announcer with this new 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.760 age group because I've said, the waves of these young 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.199 kids can make us look really stupid if you're saying 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.240 stuff like that. I've said it last year on a 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.559 couple of flop shots at the US Amateur I'm going on, 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:15.080 it is a really hard shot, and then they hit 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.040 it to a foot and you're going, Okay, well, I mean, 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.920 and it's like their talent makes us look silly. But 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.400 you almost have to remind yourself that these guys don't 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.320 have any fear. No, they don't. And you know it's funny. 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.360 I there there are certain times that I I played 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:32.320 too conservatively from I played too conservatively from the fairway 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.720 in when I played I was all about just G 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:36.320 I R G I R G I R. But we 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.360 didn't have the advanced statistics and analytics that these guys have. 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.720 Now we had decent stats, but we didn't have all 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.080 the strokes gained. When I played. It was all inputed 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.560 after the fact, you know, after you know. But now 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.320 I can go back and look at my strokes game 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.320 because they've gone back all the way like two thousand 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.240 four with strokes gain, and I can see like where 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.920 I was good against the field, and but I didn't 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.720 have that ban so I always played very safe from 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.400 the fairway. In especially, my deal was seven iron down 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:08.360 depending on where the flag was. Attack anything up from 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.080 seven iron unless I was really feeling it. It was 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.600 center of the green, and maybe move it towards the 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.840 flag a little bit. But for the most part, take 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.040 the twenty foter and if I made a mistake and 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.080 pull it toward a flag or push it toward a flag, fine, 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.960 Now these guys are literally just looking at the flag. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.880 They don't care about what else is around. Though, I've 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.400 had to and it's been hard for me, but I've 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.400 had to adjust a little bit my broadcast able to 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.680 understand how each player plays. But there are still guys 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.040 that play a little more conservatively that are just about 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.600 the g I r H. The greener regulation that are 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.960 that are just looking, you know, don't want to make 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.960 the big mistake because maybe they don't have the five 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:48.760 birdie round capability like Xander. So it's still understanding what 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.720 the player can and can't do. And there are still 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:52.400 guys that can only make three and a half three 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.600 point eight birdies around, in which case that you know, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.800 a double hurts them, hurts those guys bad. But if 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.280 you're making four or four and a half five, he's 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.480 around like some of these guys are now like a 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.120 like a Cameron Champ. I mean it does you make 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:06.960 it double, It doesn't matter. You're gonna make you know, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:08.680 you're gonna make five and five five and a half 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:12.320 berties around to make that up. So um yeah, it 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.200 totally depends on the on the players game. But you're right. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.120 I get stuck once in a while in strategic situations 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.520 that are as a broadcaster thinking okay, one shot lead, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.320 this is how I play it. But these a lot 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.240 of these young kids are very different with the way 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.240 they think, which I think is cool and it's great 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.320 for the broadcast. And I don't mind me sounding that 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:35.480 bad quite honestly, because uh, you know, there's there's a 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:37.920 there's a there's no right way to play the game. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.680 In my opinion, some guys are uber aggressive. Some guys 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:42.640 maybe if it was a different guy up there who 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.480 was underpart, he would look at that flag and go 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.600 and I'm gonna play I'm gonna play that right in 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.600 the flag. You just you don't know at that time. 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.080 You don't know if they pushed it really quite honestly, 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:53.360 so you might have pushed it over there, and you 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.560 might and you might have sounded like a genius. Yeah, 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.480 it's it's so, it's just so it's so hard for 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.920 me sometimes I think to remind myself that you that 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.200 you nailed it. Um, they don't. There's not a flag 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.760 that is tough to go out anymore for these guys. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.320 And if you ever play with them, if you're ever 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.560 out there walking with them, or even just you know, 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.119 outside the ropes watching just watching how many shots are 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:15.920 at the flag? Now it might be fifteen ft short, 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.760 fifteen feet long, but it's not like they're turning it 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.840 in anymore. It's it's right at it and you're like, oh, okay, 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:23.720 well that's how you're gonna play it. I want to 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.160 ask you what was more ridiculous the shot into seventeen 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.600 or that second into eighteen for Xander Um, I would 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.639 say the shot into seventeen still. Quite honestly, I know 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.320 you know the shot into eighteen, You've got a massive 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.640 bail area right, just like you do seventeen. Um, they're 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.880 very similar shots except for distance. Um, you know you've 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:48.120 got downhill lies, You've got uh, very similar conditions on 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:52.600 both golf shots. Uh. I would just I would say seventeen. 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.959 I just think that eighteen. I've hit that shot at eighteen, 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.320 and I've hit the shot at seventeen and the shot 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:02.080 at seventeen. Still this day, when I'm looking down that hill, 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.439 I can picture myself when I played in the Century 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.560 Tournament of Champions and think back to hitting that shot, 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.040 and I'm just you're you're sitting up there, you know, 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:11.840 trying to use the contours. I was trying to use 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:13.960 the contours of the green from two hundred and ten 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.520 yards down that hill, and these guys are going right 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:22.080 at it eighteen eighteen. You're you're always, I would think, 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.239 you're never looking at that flag. You're never looking at 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.919 the green on eight team. You're always looking at the 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.320 right center. You're looking at a flag um by one 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.199 of the um in the grandstands. You're looking at one 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.320 of those flags blowing a little right to laughter down 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.439 or something like that, right to left and down, and 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.000 you're picking it as far a right line, but not 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.359 so far right that it's gonna hang up there right 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.359 edge of the green to maybe four or five steps 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.080 right of the green, and that's where you're starting it. Now. 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.960 If it ends up there, you're fine. It bounces down 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:52.439 on the green and does what we always see if 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.320