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Speaker 1: event down. Of course, as I mentioned, Zander played unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: a great job with them. We talked a little bit
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Speaker 1: don't do right considering how good the young guys are
Speaker 1: these days as on course analysts. So one of my
Speaker 1: favorite dudes in the business, and it was a lot
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Speaker 1: the clubhouse. It's been two years Aaron Oberholzer. That seems
Speaker 1: like way too long. I can't believe I had to
Speaker 1: go back and look through the archives. But Aaron Oberholzer
Speaker 1: is here live from Hawaii, and uh, I don't want
Speaker 1: to start with the whole people are jealous of you thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're there for two weeks. It's got to
Speaker 1: be great. I know the families out there with you.
Speaker 1: I want to ask about the vibe of the broadcasting
Speaker 1: team because I've worked in places that are awesome. You know,
Speaker 1: We've been Pebble Beach, We've been to those types of places,
Speaker 1: and I feel like everybody's kind of strolling around and
Speaker 1: has a smile on their face. And then I've been
Speaker 1: to maybe some not so awesome places. What's the vibe
Speaker 1: like for two weeks when you guys get to enjoy Hawaii.
Speaker 1: I think everybody's a little more relaxed. Um, a little uh,
Speaker 1: not very on edge. Um, you know where I think.
Speaker 1: And you know, even last week's event, you know it's
Speaker 1: the first event of two nineteen. We've got all this
Speaker 1: new stuff we're putting into the broadcast. We've got new graphics,
Speaker 1: PGA tours allowing us to walk and talk things like
Speaker 1: that and and you know, you would think that everybody's
Speaker 1: on edge, and the was. There was a slight bit
Speaker 1: attention in the in the Wednesday meeting, just a little bit,
Speaker 1: but not like it could have been. I think if
Speaker 1: we were if we were stateside, we had that, we
Speaker 1: had the Aloha spirit going for Share last week, and
Speaker 1: uh it was really um um, you know, I get
Speaker 1: to work with great people every week. I'm very lucky
Speaker 1: with about that pros pros. I know, I'm the I'm
Speaker 1: the I'm the young guy on the crew. On the
Speaker 1: crew as far as you know, the experience on the
Speaker 1: experience side, I mean, Kurt Byron's got twenty years experienced, Uh,
Speaker 1: Frank's got twenty years experience. You know, Mark Ralfin got
Speaker 1: thirty years experience broadcasting. So I mean to have those guys,
Speaker 1: and then you look at my producer, Brent Packer, who's
Speaker 1: you know, I I think the world of and is
Speaker 1: a phenomenal producer. Um. You put that team together and
Speaker 1: and I'm just happy to be a part of it,
Speaker 1: quite honestly, and learn and learn from these guys because
Speaker 1: I've learned so much from each one of those guys
Speaker 1: throughout the four or five years that I've been doing stuff,
Speaker 1: um in live golf, and and I'm still learning every day.
Speaker 1: So to have that kind of crew makes makes life
Speaker 1: a lot easier for for anybody. I think. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: is there talk. I don't want to get too nerdy
Speaker 1: TV insider as you and I kind of like that stuff,
Speaker 1: but is there talk throughout the week before you guys
Speaker 1: get going, reminding people this is an Hawaii event, this
Speaker 1: is prime time. It does feel relaxed because I always
Speaker 1: feel like the broadcast, especially in the first event, because
Speaker 1: it is a tournament of champions. You know, there is
Speaker 1: a limited field that's not on TV all day and
Speaker 1: all night long. But I've always felt like when you're
Speaker 1: watching it, it feels like a little bit of a vacation.
Speaker 1: Is that reiterated between from producers to you guys or
Speaker 1: is that just kind of how it comes off. That's
Speaker 1: just kind of how it comes off. Quite honestly, I
Speaker 1: honestly think that that's just the Island. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just what the Islands did. Everybody, Um, you know, do
Speaker 1: we we want to make great television, There's no doubt,
Speaker 1: and everybody is is in. I think everybody's actually better
Speaker 1: because they're relaxed. I think that when you get too
Speaker 1: on edge, you make mistakes or don't you don't add anything.
Speaker 1: I think like, just like doing television is no different
Speaker 1: than playing golf at the highest level, doing television at
Speaker 1: the highest level is no different than than playing golf
Speaker 1: at the highest level, just due to the fact that
Speaker 1: you can't play golf when you're anxious and you're uptight
Speaker 1: and you're nervous. It doesn't allow your body and your
Speaker 1: mind to be free. Uh, You're you're constantly trying, trying,
Speaker 1: trying to do things that maybe you can't do, or
Speaker 1: not allowing your body or your mind to do things
Speaker 1: you can't you you know you can do. And I
Speaker 1: think that when you're relaxed anything have everything happens, uh
Speaker 1: in a in a positive light for the most part,
Speaker 1: on TV and on the golf course. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of how the way I look at it. Um, but
Speaker 1: when you're uptight, it's I think it's tougher to do television. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I remember we had a meeting this year at Shinnicock
Speaker 1: Hills on on a Tuesday or Wednesday, and um, I
Speaker 1: can't remember who stood up. It might have been Joe
Speaker 1: It might have been Zinger, it might have been Curtis
Speaker 1: for goodness sake, but somebody stood up and just said,
Speaker 1: and you know, this is a room of you know,
Speaker 1: three digital fee broadcasting teams in the full broadcasting team,
Speaker 1: which is obviously a lot larger than some of the
Speaker 1: other stuff we do, and somebody stood up and said,
Speaker 1: just to a reminder, we're doing golf, and golf is
Speaker 1: supposed to be fun. And the in the whole room
Speaker 1: kind of looked around. You're like, yeah, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're stressed out. It's a big week. It's the biggest
Speaker 1: week we do. But as you said, when you're relaxed
Speaker 1: and enjoying it, it really seems to kind of roll
Speaker 1: off the tongue a lot better. Somebody that seems unbelievably
Speaker 1: relaxed and somebody you've got a chance to walk with
Speaker 1: on Sunday is this twenty five year old kid and
Speaker 1: Xander Shafley, who I feel like coming into the season
Speaker 1: and maybe even parts of last season, is this forgotten
Speaker 1: young player and he does what he did on Sunday.
Speaker 1: As you mentioned in your post round interview, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the best rounds you've ever seen in person.
Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering, do you now think with this
Speaker 1: win and what he continues to do on these final
Speaker 1: rounds and and down the stretch, making birdies on seventeen
Speaker 1: and eighteen, kind of throughout all of his victories, is
Speaker 1: he now in that class of ten fifteen players that
Speaker 1: you consider the upper echelon, if you will, of the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. Well, he's put him there with it with
Speaker 1: his play. I mean you, I guess you have to, um,
Speaker 1: you know six in the world now, um. And I
Speaker 1: don't see. I don't know that there's a ceiling for
Speaker 1: the young man. Quite honestly, I haven't seen one. Um.
Speaker 1: He does a lot of things really well, there's not
Speaker 1: We know, you talk about holes and and we said
Speaker 1: the same thing about Jordan's speed. Now we found the
Speaker 1: hole in Jordan's peace game. As we continue to go.
Speaker 1: You know in fifteen, now, uh in there were no
Speaker 1: holes in Jordan's peace game in fifteen, uh there were
Speaker 1: very few. In sixteen, there were, there was, there was,
Speaker 1: there was a couple, there was one in seventeen. There
Speaker 1: was one last year you know obviously with the two
Speaker 1: last year actually with the putting, but that one big
Speaker 1: hole in Jordan's Peace game has become kind of kind
Speaker 1: of No, he just doesn't really have the distance. So that, well,
Speaker 1: what do you need to do if you don't have
Speaker 1: that three yard you don't have that three hund plus
Speaker 1: yrd drive every week and every hole that you can
Speaker 1: count on, like Xander does, you know, like Dustin Johnson,
Speaker 1: like Chasing Day, like Roy mcilroyd. Well what do you do? Well,
Speaker 1: you've got it. You've got to up the other parts
Speaker 1: of your game. Well, Xander doesn't have to worry about that.
Speaker 1: Xander's got that distance. But Xander can also put. He
Speaker 1: can also hit irons, he can hit wedges. He's a
Speaker 1: phenomenal pitcher. The golf boy. He's got beautiful touch around
Speaker 1: the greens, which I think goes unnoticed to a certain
Speaker 1: extent because because of his ball striking, which short game
Speaker 1: does go unnoticed with most great ball strikers. Um, but
Speaker 1: a lot of great ball strikers don't ball strike great
Speaker 1: all the time, so they have to get it up
Speaker 1: and down. So that's something that that saves round, that
Speaker 1: turns you know, it turns um seventy and seventy two
Speaker 1: into seventies and sixty nine, which keep tournaments going and
Speaker 1: keep you alive for a chance to win. And that's
Speaker 1: what great players do. And that's what I think Xander
Speaker 1: is underrated in that regard. Um now giving him all
Speaker 1: the accolades that he doesn't have, the one thing that
Speaker 1: I that I would caution, uh, it's people to watch
Speaker 1: out for and want to see Xander do a little
Speaker 1: bit better. First of all, I think if you're gonna
Speaker 1: knock him, you're gonna say, Okay, he's never he's never
Speaker 1: won from ahead, He's never won with the lead, you know,
Speaker 1: with an outright lead. Okay, well he's a come from
Speaker 1: behind guy. Okay, that's fine. I think that that time
Speaker 1: will come. I think he can hold the lead. I
Speaker 1: think he's got the mental makeup to be able to
Speaker 1: do that, to hold a lead. Um. And the other
Speaker 1: thing I think is his style of play. He is
Speaker 1: so aggressive, so aggressive. Nothing says it more than that
Speaker 1: shot he hit on seventeen when he's oh, he had
Speaker 1: a one shot lead. And I'm sitting in that fairway
Speaker 1: and I probably heard the call from Kurt BYRONM and
Speaker 1: I and when we were talking and I said, curd,
Speaker 1: if if this kid goes any further, left and thirty
Speaker 1: ft left of the of the flat or thirty ft
Speaker 1: right of the flag. That's too far left. And I
Speaker 1: was dead serious about that, um. And I'm sure people
Speaker 1: are saying, oh, this is a new breeder and you're
Speaker 1: you're an old guy. You know, that's how you played golf.
Speaker 1: Out of that, I can just picture people on my
Speaker 1: head in this and and but sitting there going people
Speaker 1: don't understand if you've never hit that shot from two
Speaker 1: hundred and some odd yards down that hill where that
Speaker 1: ball hangs in the air forever, and you don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what the wind's gonna do to it. If he
Speaker 1: pulls it a hair, he's potentially down in the penalty
Speaker 1: area with a brutal um dropping three hitting four shot,
Speaker 1: hitting a four shot brutal so um, you know, and
Speaker 1: looking staring six square in the eyes, and that's the
Speaker 1: end of the tournament, done over, forget about it. Um.
Speaker 1: But he pulls it off and takes purty to take
Speaker 1: a one shot lead going down going into eighteen. So well,
Speaker 1: one shot lead that was we would turn into a
Speaker 1: one shot leader here. He obviously came around, came over
Speaker 1: and Burtie Um. But for certain golf courses and I
Speaker 1: and I said on Twitter that I felt that he
Speaker 1: would win a major. Um. He's definitely a major winner
Speaker 1: in my opinion. But the things that he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to do it at a major, I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to kind of cool down that aggressive play. Can't
Speaker 1: be that aggressive an Augusta constantly. You can't definitely can't
Speaker 1: be that aggressive at Pebble Beach coming up this summer,
Speaker 1: you and not do that. You're gonna have to take
Speaker 1: thirty feet. You're gonna have to you know, front edge
Speaker 1: plus five when those greens get like bricks. You can't
Speaker 1: fire it every flag. And he'll he'll adjust, I believe,
Speaker 1: But it major championships. You're not you know, on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour regular season events week in week out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: fire flags all you want for the most part. But
Speaker 1: when it comes to major championships, you've got to understand
Speaker 1: when to back off and when when you know, okay,
Speaker 1: yeah left or right here is fine. So that aggressive nature,
Speaker 1: he'll have to just kind of temper that just a
Speaker 1: little bit when he goes into the into the major championships,
Speaker 1: UM and have a little safer game plan. But but
Speaker 1: he can still, in my opinion, still win those things
Speaker 1: being being the Zander we all know he's just gonna
Speaker 1: have to dial it back just a tad bit. Have
Speaker 1: you noticed I've had an issue with this and you
Speaker 1: made a great point of it earlier when you're talking
Speaker 1: about the shot at seventeen. Have you had to change
Speaker 1: your mentality as an on course announcer with this new
Speaker 1: age group because I've said, the waves of these young
Speaker 1: kids can make us look really stupid if you're saying
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I've said it last year on a
Speaker 1: couple of flop shots at the US Amateur I'm going on,
Speaker 1: it is a really hard shot, and then they hit
Speaker 1: it to a foot and you're going, Okay, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's like their talent makes us look silly. But
Speaker 1: you almost have to remind yourself that these guys don't
Speaker 1: have any fear. No, they don't. And you know it's funny.
Speaker 1: I there there are certain times that I I played
Speaker 1: too conservatively from I played too conservatively from the fairway
Speaker 1: in when I played I was all about just G
Speaker 1: I R G I R G I R. But we
Speaker 1: didn't have the advanced statistics and analytics that these guys have.
Speaker 1: Now we had decent stats, but we didn't have all
Speaker 1: the strokes gained. When I played. It was all inputed
Speaker 1: after the fact, you know, after you know. But now
Speaker 1: I can go back and look at my strokes game
Speaker 1: because they've gone back all the way like two thousand
Speaker 1: four with strokes gain, and I can see like where
Speaker 1: I was good against the field, and but I didn't
Speaker 1: have that ban so I always played very safe from
Speaker 1: the fairway. In especially, my deal was seven iron down
Speaker 1: depending on where the flag was. Attack anything up from
Speaker 1: seven iron unless I was really feeling it. It was
Speaker 1: center of the green, and maybe move it towards the
Speaker 1: flag a little bit. But for the most part, take
Speaker 1: the twenty foter and if I made a mistake and
Speaker 1: pull it toward a flag or push it toward a flag, fine,
Speaker 1: Now these guys are literally just looking at the flag.
Speaker 1: They don't care about what else is around. Though, I've
Speaker 1: had to and it's been hard for me, but I've
Speaker 1: had to adjust a little bit my broadcast able to
Speaker 1: understand how each player plays. But there are still guys
Speaker 1: that play a little more conservatively that are just about
Speaker 1: the g I r H. The greener regulation that are
Speaker 1: that are just looking, you know, don't want to make
Speaker 1: the big mistake because maybe they don't have the five
Speaker 1: birdie round capability like Xander. So it's still understanding what
Speaker 1: the player can and can't do. And there are still
Speaker 1: guys that can only make three and a half three
Speaker 1: point eight birdies around, in which case that you know,
Speaker 1: a double hurts them, hurts those guys bad. But if
Speaker 1: you're making four or four and a half five, he's
Speaker 1: around like some of these guys are now like a
Speaker 1: like a Cameron Champ. I mean it does you make
Speaker 1: it double, It doesn't matter. You're gonna make you know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna make five and five five and a half
Speaker 1: berties around to make that up. So um yeah, it
Speaker 1: totally depends on the on the players game. But you're right.
Speaker 1: I get stuck once in a while in strategic situations
Speaker 1: that are as a broadcaster thinking okay, one shot lead,
Speaker 1: this is how I play it. But these a lot
Speaker 1: of these young kids are very different with the way
Speaker 1: they think, which I think is cool and it's great
Speaker 1: for the broadcast. And I don't mind me sounding that
Speaker 1: bad quite honestly, because uh, you know, there's there's a
Speaker 1: there's a there's no right way to play the game.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, some guys are uber aggressive. Some guys
Speaker 1: maybe if it was a different guy up there who
Speaker 1: was underpart, he would look at that flag and go
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna play I'm gonna play that right in
Speaker 1: the flag. You just you don't know at that time.
Speaker 1: You don't know if they pushed it really quite honestly,
Speaker 1: so you might have pushed it over there, and you
Speaker 1: might and you might have sounded like a genius. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's so, it's just so it's so hard for
Speaker 1: me sometimes I think to remind myself that you that
Speaker 1: you nailed it. Um, they don't. There's not a flag
Speaker 1: that is tough to go out anymore for these guys.
Speaker 1: And if you ever play with them, if you're ever
Speaker 1: out there walking with them, or even just you know,
Speaker 1: outside the ropes watching just watching how many shots are
Speaker 1: at the flag? Now it might be fifteen ft short,
Speaker 1: fifteen feet long, but it's not like they're turning it
Speaker 1: in anymore. It's it's right at it and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: well that's how you're gonna play it. I want to
Speaker 1: ask you what was more ridiculous the shot into seventeen
Speaker 1: or that second into eighteen for Xander Um, I would
Speaker 1: say the shot into seventeen still. Quite honestly, I know
Speaker 1: you know the shot into eighteen, You've got a massive
Speaker 1: bail area right, just like you do seventeen. Um, they're
Speaker 1: very similar shots except for distance. Um, you know you've
Speaker 1: got downhill lies, You've got uh, very similar conditions on
Speaker 1: both golf shots. Uh. I would just I would say seventeen.
Speaker 1: I just think that eighteen. I've hit that shot at eighteen,
Speaker 1: and I've hit the shot at seventeen and the shot
Speaker 1: at seventeen. Still this day, when I'm looking down that hill,
Speaker 1: I can picture myself when I played in the Century
Speaker 1: Tournament of Champions and think back to hitting that shot,
Speaker 1: and I'm just you're you're sitting up there, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to use the contours. I was trying to use
Speaker 1: the contours of the green from two hundred and ten
Speaker 1: yards down that hill, and these guys are going right
Speaker 1: at it eighteen eighteen. You're you're always, I would think,
Speaker 1: you're never looking at that flag. You're never looking at
Speaker 1: the green on eight team. You're always looking at the
Speaker 1: right center. You're looking at a flag um by one
Speaker 1: of the um in the grandstands. You're looking at one
Speaker 1: of those flags blowing a little right to laughter down
Speaker 1: or something like that, right to left and down, and
Speaker 1: you're picking it as far a right line, but not
Speaker 1: so far right that it's gonna hang up there right
Speaker 1: edge of the green to maybe four or five steps
Speaker 1: right of the green, and that's where you're starting it. Now.
Speaker 1: If it ends up there, you're fine. It bounces down
Speaker 1: on the green and does what we always see if
Speaker 1: you if you draw it in a little bit, that's
Speaker 1: when you get the money shot like what Zander did,
Speaker 1: and you roll it up there at eleven ft for eagle. UM.
Speaker 1: But they're never looking at that flag on eight team never.
Speaker 1: I can promise you that I can't believe he was
Speaker 1: looking at the flag on seventeen. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about that what I'm saying, so you you mentioned it already. UM.
Speaker 1: You guys had those in round interviews at the Century
Speaker 1: Turn into the Champions I'm assuming you're gonna happen this
Speaker 1: week at the Sony and on and on and on.
Speaker 1: And it was a partnership with the PGA Tour allowing
Speaker 1: you guys to kind of sneak in there as these
Speaker 1: players are playing and uh, and there was there was
Speaker 1: a funny moment, uh I think was Patton Kazi almost
Speaker 1: got hit by a golf ball and then um, you
Speaker 1: had thought after but what was the conversation like, uh,
Speaker 1: not just this week and last week, but going into it,
Speaker 1: how you approach the players who you can approach and um,
Speaker 1: I've heard that they're allowed to say no, I'm good,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip this one right now. Yeah. So so
Speaker 1: how we do it and how we discussed it bones
Speaker 1: and I talked with our producer Brent Packer last week
Speaker 1: and how we all discussed it was, Um, was that
Speaker 1: we were going to go up to the player each day,
Speaker 1: even if they were a no and unequip vocal no okay, um,
Speaker 1: and we were going to say, uh, you know eight today,
Speaker 1: you know how about today? Are you okay today? No, Aaron,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm good, or I'm a maybe like Gary Woodland.
Speaker 1: I walked with him twice last week. He was a
Speaker 1: maybe on the on the sheet and so so for me,
Speaker 1: it was every there was no doubt. Every day I
Speaker 1: had to go up to Gary, which I don't mind
Speaker 1: at all. And I don't mind a player saying maybe, um,
Speaker 1: that's just that's just cover for us actually to help
Speaker 1: us to make sure that you understand that, Okay, I
Speaker 1: asked you, and so there's no misunderstandings. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: like what we're trying to avoid is we're trying to
Speaker 1: avoid a potential problem with well I asked the player
Speaker 1: before the round and he said and he said no.
Speaker 1: And then the player says, well, no, I would have
Speaker 1: done him if he would have asked me past the round.
Speaker 1: And that's what we're trying to avoid. We want to
Speaker 1: make sure every day whether it's a yes, no, or
Speaker 1: or hey, maybe just give me the signal. And it's
Speaker 1: just a simple you know, I just kind of show
Speaker 1: him the mic and point to them and it's I
Speaker 1: can do it from a hundred yards across the Ferrway.
Speaker 1: And most of the guys know what I'm talking about
Speaker 1: with these walking talks, and uh, if I could get
Speaker 1: waved off, and I got I didn't get waved off
Speaker 1: once last week on course, so everybody when I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk and I felt it was it was the
Speaker 1: right time, and our producer, Brand Packers, said, hey, can
Speaker 1: you get him? You know, I never got the I
Speaker 1: never got the cold shoulder, which I really want to
Speaker 1: thank the players for that, you know. I want to
Speaker 1: thank Patt, and I want to thank Mark Leshman who
Speaker 1: I got two interviews with Mark Leishman and then two
Speaker 1: with Gary Woodland. I want to thank those guys a lot,
Speaker 1: because those guys really made the broadcast. And those guys,
Speaker 1: I think whenever you can get information from a player
Speaker 1: directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak, it just
Speaker 1: adds so much value to the broadcast and for the
Speaker 1: people at home to be able to hear what those
Speaker 1: guys are really thinking and what they're thinking about that
Speaker 1: day is massive. UM. And I love the endeavor and
Speaker 1: I love the initiative. Unfortunately, Shane, they're not going to
Speaker 1: do them past this last week. So we we wanted it.
Speaker 1: We want it it this week, we wanted it for
Speaker 1: two weeks. We wanted it next week when I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be there next week and at the Desert Classic,
Speaker 1: but our producers wanted it for the Desert Classic. UM,
Speaker 1: because we think that it's gone very well this week,
Speaker 1: and I think the players, I hope the players think
Speaker 1: it went very well this uh this last week. But
Speaker 1: it's got to go back. It was just a test
Speaker 1: for the PGA Tour, and it was a test for
Speaker 1: the players. And now it's got to go back to
Speaker 1: the pack and to the committee, and the players have
Speaker 1: to discuss it, and then they have to bring it
Speaker 1: back to Jay Monahan and the commission say you know, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what we need to change. This is great,
Speaker 1: you know, or no, it's great, let's just keep doing
Speaker 1: what we're doing. And um, but I thought they went.
Speaker 1: I thought they went as well as they could have
Speaker 1: went for the first week. And um, you know, we
Speaker 1: were given a script and what we could and couldn't
Speaker 1: ask and and I think we did a good job
Speaker 1: following it to uh as best as best we could.
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Speaker 1: Let's get back to Aaron. It's interesting because you know,
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people, especially as they were
Speaker 1: starting last week, talk Mike and the players, Mike and
Speaker 1: the players, Mike and the players. And my issue with
Speaker 1: Mike and the players is a the PGA Tour is
Speaker 1: not gonna allow anything out there that, uh that I
Speaker 1: kind of think we actually want to hear. You know,
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when you get those coaches interview,
Speaker 1: you know, the Mike coaches, or you get the players
Speaker 1: like in the NFL that have the mics on. I mean,
Speaker 1: nothing ever comes out of those things that I would
Speaker 1: call quote unquote interesting. I mean it's very safe. I mean,
Speaker 1: somebody's listening to that making sure they're not talking about
Speaker 1: scheme or they're not cursing any of that stuff. So
Speaker 1: what I like about the the in round interview is
Speaker 1: you're able to control it. You're able to ask a
Speaker 1: couple of questions. I love that you guys were two
Speaker 1: questions Max. I felt like that was really really smart
Speaker 1: just to get in and out of their way and
Speaker 1: you actually can talk to them about what's going on
Speaker 1: that was actually on the sheet as one of the
Speaker 1: things we we could and couldn't do that two questions max.
Speaker 1: Four players per day. And it's got to be about
Speaker 1: it's got to be about something in round. It cannot
Speaker 1: be what happened yesterday. It can't be looking ahead to
Speaker 1: the future. You're trying. And as a player, I like that.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. I would want the same
Speaker 1: thing as a player if I was being interviewed in
Speaker 1: the middle of a round UM on course and so um.
Speaker 1: You know, I agree with you on the miking situation.
Speaker 1: I've never liked the ideas of mike dup players. First
Speaker 1: of all, I've done it. It's cumbersome. It's actually cumbersome
Speaker 1: to have a mike on you and I feel this
Speaker 1: chord on you, and it's it's it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: you never know if they got the chord on right,
Speaker 1: does it doesn't work with how much my body can move,
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. That's number one, Just the
Speaker 1: physical kind of um issues that can bring UH in
Speaker 1: the field, you know. And then you've got this pack
Speaker 1: in your back pocket where you normally put your yardage
Speaker 1: book or you gotta switch it over to the other
Speaker 1: pocket where you normally have nothing, so now you have
Speaker 1: something there and potentially thinking about that, you know, it's
Speaker 1: the mic stuff. I'm I'm not. I've never been about
Speaker 1: mic and up players or mic and up caddies. I've
Speaker 1: never been about that. I've never really liked that. We've
Speaker 1: got these great you know, boom microphones out there, the
Speaker 1: effects mics that can pick up radio free Europe for
Speaker 1: goodness sake. And if the guys, the guys hit the
Speaker 1: trigger on those things, I mean, they're they can you
Speaker 1: can hear everything, you got it. You can hear conversations
Speaker 1: last week. But yeah, but yeah, I I think that
Speaker 1: the fact that we can control the interviews um. And
Speaker 1: as long as we um, I think this, it keeps
Speaker 1: everything simple. The questions have to be simple, they have
Speaker 1: to be direct, they have to be to the point, um.
Speaker 1: And it has to be about what's going on right
Speaker 1: then and there about that day? Uh? And then you
Speaker 1: just got to use your best judgment as a as
Speaker 1: a broadcaster to ask uh. You know, And for me,
Speaker 1: I'm always I want to ask positive. I want to
Speaker 1: ask questions to the positive. This player, I don't want
Speaker 1: to ask negative questions, what's going on to the positive today? Um,
Speaker 1: and so especially in play and if you can do
Speaker 1: those things then you're in good shape. So I'm hoping
Speaker 1: they bring it back. I had a blast talking to
Speaker 1: the guys en course. Um, but we'll have to wait
Speaker 1: and see it. We'll have to wait and see how
Speaker 1: the players felt about it, and how the pack feels
Speaker 1: about it, and how it looked on television and sewing
Speaker 1: and so forth. Yes, something I initially didn't like to
Speaker 1: do when I first started doing this is I didn't
Speaker 1: like going out on the range before rounds and talking
Speaker 1: to guys. And a producer mine once told me, he said,
Speaker 1: you know this is their job too. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: their job as independent contractors and as you know, partners
Speaker 1: with the PG tour in the U. S g A.
Speaker 1: And whichever group they work with, is there selling themselves.
Speaker 1: They're selling the event, they're selling interest, and so they
Speaker 1: get it. And you know, when you go up to
Speaker 1: a Ricky Fowler before round and he does an interview
Speaker 1: and answers a couple of questions, you get out of
Speaker 1: his way. You realize that, and I think this is
Speaker 1: very much the same. I mean, it's it's a chance
Speaker 1: for these guys to have a quick conversation to maybe
Speaker 1: give one or two things that's going well in there around.
Speaker 1: You know, I got a great break here on fourteen,
Speaker 1: or the putter has been hot, or whatever they tell you.
Speaker 1: And as a player like yourself, you understand. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get in these guys way longer than
Speaker 1: a minute, minute and a half, and I'm gonna get out.
Speaker 1: And I think it's to me. I think it's a
Speaker 1: great first step, and I thought you guys did a
Speaker 1: great job with it, and I'm hoping that it continues,
Speaker 1: and I'm hoping they bring this thing. I hope this
Speaker 1: becomes the norm. Uh. My only question and I was
Speaker 1: wondering about this the first time I saw you do it,
Speaker 1: is what happens if a guy's like eleven deep through fifteen?
Speaker 1: Is it like the picture? Is it like the no hitter?
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, you go talk to Justine Thomas that
Speaker 1: that's because Gary Woodland was playing really well. I believe
Speaker 1: it was on Friday or Saturday. I can't remember my
Speaker 1: my second, my no, my my first interview with Gary.
Speaker 1: I think it was Friday and he was playing pretty well.
Speaker 1: He was a sixer, I want to say, six or
Speaker 1: seven deep going down walking down seventeen and Brent gets
Speaker 1: in my ear and he was a maybe. And I
Speaker 1: hadn't flashed the mike to him all day and Brent
Speaker 1: gets in my ear. He says, hey, what do you
Speaker 1: think you think you can get him now? And we
Speaker 1: weren't really thinking about it or talking about it the
Speaker 1: rest of the day because I can't remember who Gary
Speaker 1: was playing with that day, but he wasn't. He was
Speaker 1: an unequivocal no and wouldn't talk, which is fine, I
Speaker 1: totally and I will never fault a player for not
Speaker 1: wanting to talk in the middle of a round. UM,
Speaker 1: And I said, sure, I can, I can, I can
Speaker 1: find out. So I flashed the mike to Gary and boom,
Speaker 1: Gary was on it. He was like, yeah, sure, let's talk.
Speaker 1: Like oh my gosh, all right. I wasn't expecting it. Um,
Speaker 1: so you know, I just uh, yeah, you gotta come
Speaker 1: up with two questions and you get going you and
Speaker 1: you get moving. I think that that's I think the
Speaker 1: endeavor is gonna catch on and guys are gonna realize,
Speaker 1: to your point how important it is for their brand.
Speaker 1: Gary and Mark with those two interviews. They did two
Speaker 1: interviews each with me, and that really helps their brand.
Speaker 1: It helps put them in a fantastic light. Um. And
Speaker 1: the players, now, certain players don't need it. Certain players
Speaker 1: are gonna go, ah, I don't, I can care less,
Speaker 1: you know, but other players are gonna see it and go,
Speaker 1: you know, this could really help me my brand, my
Speaker 1: brand from a public image standpoint, from a public you
Speaker 1: name it whatever I mean, Um, it could mean their
Speaker 1: sponsors could see these and go oh and you almost.
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but if these things go
Speaker 1: live every week, you know, the sponsor could go could
Speaker 1: write it into a contract. You gotta do one. If
Speaker 1: your group is being followed, you have to do one.
Speaker 1: But but why wouldn't you? I mean, if you think
Speaker 1: about the time spit in front of a microphone. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you're Gary Woodland, for instance, who has been around
Speaker 1: for a long time. And I would say to any
Speaker 1: golf fan, they know who Gary Woodland is. If you
Speaker 1: went to these sports ends of this world, maybe they've
Speaker 1: heard of them, maybe they have it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that's a fair thing to say. But if you
Speaker 1: think of what the time is spent in front of
Speaker 1: a mic for Gary Woodland each week if he's doing
Speaker 1: a twenty minute press conference that's airing probably airing on
Speaker 1: Golf Channel maybe, but it's gonna be aired you know,
Speaker 1: digitally PJA dot com. I'd have it whatever how many
Speaker 1: people are watching that. If people are watching the actual
Speaker 1: broadcast and Gary Woodlands in front of a mike, that
Speaker 1: might be one of the few times a casual sports
Speaker 1: fan who's tuning into golf here's from them. So it's
Speaker 1: a really good chance to speak. Even post round interviews,
Speaker 1: as you know, sometimes don't air or sometimes they're you know,
Speaker 1: tacked onto the back end of a broadcast. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a chance for, if you will, a primetime
Speaker 1: interview to happen as the golf's unfolding. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's a brilliant plan for the players as well.
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if they didn't make this kind of
Speaker 1: a regular thing, not just in twenty nine but beyond.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I thought you, I thought Bones
Speaker 1: did a great job and a and I mean I
Speaker 1: think it's I think the way you guys kind of
Speaker 1: laid it out is the way it's gonna be. Let's
Speaker 1: ask too smart golf questions and get the hell out
Speaker 1: of their way. And that's the key. That's the key,
Speaker 1: is to not bother the guys, because if you don't
Speaker 1: bother the guys, they're gonna say yes next time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna obviously it's not gonna happen. It's
Speaker 1: gonna happen potentially in in PGA Tour events, but and
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't even know. I would like
Speaker 1: to see it happened in the World Golf Championships, but
Speaker 1: those might be bigger events where the guys might not
Speaker 1: want to talk as much. But you never know. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are certain guys um Leshan Leishman hit kind of
Speaker 1: a poor wedge on sixteen, ripped it right back off
Speaker 1: the green, and he still talked to me. So guys
Speaker 1: like Leishman who are just great people, you know, and
Speaker 1: and Gary as well. Uh, they might talk to talk
Speaker 1: to me or talk to whoever is on the ground
Speaker 1: no matter what. Um, but it'll it'll be a wait
Speaker 1: and see. I'm I'm kind of cautiously optimistic that these
Speaker 1: will continue or we'll have one more tournament where the
Speaker 1: guy where they say, hey, we're gonna do him again,
Speaker 1: but again same rules applied. Da da da da da
Speaker 1: and uh, um, we'll see where goes from there. I
Speaker 1: can I definitely, I definitely don't see the U. S.
Speaker 1: G A or the PGA of America or the RNA
Speaker 1: or the August To National allowing it on the golf
Speaker 1: cart because obviously no one is allowed to walk with
Speaker 1: the don I don't. I don't think you're gonna see.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna see somebody walking down the
Speaker 1: middle of the fairway at fifteen August to going So, Phil,
Speaker 1: are you gonna go for it or not? So? But
Speaker 1: but yeah, every i'd like to see it. I'd like
Speaker 1: to see it happen. Um, maybe it's not every week.
Speaker 1: Maybe they decided to do it. Oh, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it once a month. We're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna do it once every two weeks. We're gonna allow these.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's only uncertain events, um, which again is fine
Speaker 1: as well. I would just like to see it. I
Speaker 1: would like to see it more more often. It doesn't
Speaker 1: need to happen every week, because I think there's maybe
Speaker 1: there's a novelty in listening to players once a month.
Speaker 1: And listening to them talking seeing if you can get
Speaker 1: you know, three or four interviews in a in around
Speaker 1: each day to where and to talk to the players. Um,
Speaker 1: and maybe it doesn't need to happen every week though,
Speaker 1: so well we'll see. Yeah, I mean it's it's I
Speaker 1: was as I was watching it, I would thinking, I mean,
Speaker 1: this would be a great opportunity like this week and
Speaker 1: next Of course I didn't realize that they were. It
Speaker 1: was just kind of an experimental phase. But you know,
Speaker 1: this week and next week with a lot of these
Speaker 1: rookies who a lot of people maybe have never heard
Speaker 1: of or never seen or never heard speak, Um, it'd
Speaker 1: be fun to do, you know, on a Thursday and Friday,
Speaker 1: which is the early rounds where there's some guys out
Speaker 1: there that maybe you know, aren't going to get a
Speaker 1: lot of TV time, having kind of a rookie focus
Speaker 1: and having you know, one guy at Doug Gim who's
Speaker 1: out there playing and you know, you you kind of
Speaker 1: throw his profile up and you say, this is a
Speaker 1: young guy that we think is gonna have a great
Speaker 1: chance of having a long career, and uh, let's go
Speaker 1: down to Aaron with Doug Gim and you get a
Speaker 1: chance to ask him a couple of questions and you
Speaker 1: can kind of almost have it as like a rookie reveal.
Speaker 1: I think that would be really cool. But we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see what, We'll see what comes to it. I
Speaker 1: just I love that. I love if nothing else, that
Speaker 1: it was introduced. And I love that you guys. Uh,
Speaker 1: you guys did a great job of it, because I
Speaker 1: think if it would have been botched, maybe they'd say
Speaker 1: never again. But the fact that you guys did a
Speaker 1: great job with that, Like like I said, you said
Speaker 1: there's no stress, well, well, the fact that we were
Speaker 1: in the islands that reduced my level of stress on
Speaker 1: those things to have as low as you could go,
Speaker 1: it was still a little strapped. So how close was
Speaker 1: the ball to hitting you guys? Oh my gosh, that
Speaker 1: would have been a nightmare on a stick change. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, that was my fault. That was I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought the interview went well. But the one thing
Speaker 1: I didn't do is I didn't keep a moving I
Speaker 1: heard about it, trust me, I heard I heard about
Speaker 1: it in a nice way. I heard about, hey, keep
Speaker 1: him moving, ao you if he gets smoked in the head.
Speaker 1: We think these things are gonna met Definitely, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was that was you know, that was the that was
Speaker 1: the kind of that was the very first one. So
Speaker 1: I was, you know, making sure that I wanted the
Speaker 1: questions to come out the right way and the interview
Speaker 1: to go the right way and not thinking about that
Speaker 1: we needed to keep walking because yet yes it is
Speaker 1: a walk and talk and that was that was definitely
Speaker 1: my bad. But the ones after that, I tried to
Speaker 1: keep the guys moving. And so now you transition from
Speaker 1: an event with a lot of guys you know obviously
Speaker 1: to you know, in the Tournament of Champions now to
Speaker 1: the Sony where there are going to be a lot
Speaker 1: of new faces. Does the homework hap and before her
Speaker 1: last week or has it been mostly Monday, Tuesday, Wendy Wednesday?
Speaker 1: Preparing yourself for as I mentioned, guys that maybe you
Speaker 1: don't know on a first name basis. Well as you know,
Speaker 1: we have a broadcast window, so you're gonna see certain
Speaker 1: guys in that window. And for me, um, I'm the two.
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm the two. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if we have one in two, but I'm pretty much
Speaker 1: the number two walker. So I'm the one that gets
Speaker 1: moved quite a bit unless bones group is really going downhill.
Speaker 1: He's usually he's going to be with the Marquee group
Speaker 1: on Thursday afternoon, and I'm going to be with the
Speaker 1: number two groups. So I'm with I believe, I'm with
Speaker 1: Cameron champ um and so yeah, no, hey, I love
Speaker 1: my job. It's about as good as it gets other
Speaker 1: than playing. Yeah, it's it's ridiculous. So, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll go with those guys. I'll go with Cam and
Speaker 1: his group, and and Paul Casey and I did believe
Speaker 1: see with Kim. So I only have to worry about
Speaker 1: those three guys. So when I'm doing but when I do,
Speaker 1: when I get to do Tower, and I do Tower,
Speaker 1: now I have to worry about a chunk of the broadcast. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know, am I going through a hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty two to a hundred and forty four fifty six
Speaker 1: bios every week? Let's I'll be honest with you know
Speaker 1: that I don't have I can't that that's almost impossible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to learn to learn a hundred and fifty six guys
Speaker 1: in a full field, Um, you learn it as you
Speaker 1: kind of go throughout the year. Um. But when you're
Speaker 1: on the ground, you have you have two or three guys,
Speaker 1: depending on the how they're doing the tea times to
Speaker 1: worry about each day, or maybe maybe you've got six
Speaker 1: guys that you've got to worry about. But the funny
Speaker 1: thing is that you do have to do some studying
Speaker 1: in that broadcast window because there might be you know,
Speaker 1: Brandt might move me, he might move me to another group.
Speaker 1: So I gotta know what's going on in that other
Speaker 1: group and what those guys have done to a certain
Speaker 1: extentard what their tendencies are. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: in the TV window groups where they're bigger names, I've
Speaker 1: walked with most of those guys, so I know what
Speaker 1: they do. And so my job on the golf course
Speaker 1: isn't really to give statistical information as much. It's to
Speaker 1: describe what's going on down there and what I think
Speaker 1: is going to happen with this guy's shot or so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. So for in that case, I
Speaker 1: don't need to be as I don't need to be
Speaker 1: as studied on the stuff as let's say a Kurt
Speaker 1: Byrum or Frank or you know the guys in the
Speaker 1: towers who or Mark Rolfing who you know, maybe not
Speaker 1: might need a little bit more statistical information about the
Speaker 1: player or bio about the players, so on and so
Speaker 1: forth to tell their story. Um that death. I'll definitely
Speaker 1: read the bios and I definitely read the bios. But
Speaker 1: it's more of what's going on in the ground at
Speaker 1: that moment. What's his shot going to do a O,
Speaker 1: what kind of his situation is he in and one
Speaker 1: of the odds of his you know, of him pulling
Speaker 1: off the shot if it's in a tough situation, hopefully
Speaker 1: that'llyander like seventeen and then you go, oh, well, actually
Speaker 1: came out. I didn't see that. Yeah, well you you
Speaker 1: think you saw a lot of berties last week? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, us this week they're the guys are gonna
Speaker 1: have ledges in their hand on just about every hole
Speaker 1: after they drive it. It's just a matter of whether
Speaker 1: they drive it between the tree lines at wild Ie.
Speaker 1: So if they do that, the birdies that this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a birdie fest. If the wind lays down,
Speaker 1: I could see, you know, this could be another you know,
Speaker 1: twenty one to under with two par fives instead of four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be crazy. And this is absolutely a golf
Speaker 1: course where you gotta you gotta make those six seven
Speaker 1: birdies around are you? Are you golfing anymore? You just
Speaker 1: cycling all the time. Uh, well, I'm pretty much. Um well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm playing a little bit. I'm playing a
Speaker 1: little bit, not not a ton. It's just it when
Speaker 1: you don't work out and you don't train for it,
Speaker 1: chain the body hurts every time you pick up a
Speaker 1: golf club. And that I remember I playing eighteen and
Speaker 1: I'm walking off eighteen and my body hurt more after
Speaker 1: playing eighteen holes. The last time I played eighteen holes
Speaker 1: than it did doing a fifty mile ride. You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm done with this stuff. This is silly, and we
Speaker 1: gotta play. We've played one time. It's like five miles
Speaker 1: from my house, for goodness sakes. And uh and we
Speaker 1: haven't played since. I gotta take out the Phoenix Counch Club.
Speaker 1: We gotta do it. At some point, you get a little, Well,
Speaker 1: I have to. I'm I'm on the I'm on the
Speaker 1: Champs Tour um Shaptuck Finale, so I have to. I
Speaker 1: gotta know that golf course anyway, So let's go play.
Speaker 1: I would love to take you out arena walls. I
Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Good luck this week, you've gotta you've
Speaker 1: got more, You've got more stuff throughout the season. Um
Speaker 1: with Golf Channel with NBC, or you're gonna do some
Speaker 1: PGA Tour live. What's the schedule like, No, it's all
Speaker 1: Golf Channel. Just a mixture of in studio and on
Speaker 1: the golf course live golf and in the tower live golf. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just a uh. I've got a light, fairly light
Speaker 1: schedule through May. Uh and then I get slammed after May,
Speaker 1: so June through the back end of the year through
Speaker 1: pretty much June through November. Is is really slammed for me?
Speaker 1: Is from a from a live golf perspective. But I
Speaker 1: do most of my studio stuff early, um, early in
Speaker 1: the year. So after this week, I go, I go
Speaker 1: right on a plane, get off on the fourteenth, On
Speaker 1: the sixteenth, them off to Orlando for Desert Classics. So
Speaker 1: that'll be a nice five hour time change. I should
Speaker 1: be really awake for that person. And it's gonna be
Speaker 1: when you're mumbling through the sentence as people like okay,
Speaker 1: you're like he was in wife thirty minuts ago. What's
Speaker 1: wrong with him? Got that crop of life. Well, I
Speaker 1: appreciate the time. And uh, like I said, we gotta
Speaker 1: tee it up at some point soon. That'd be a
Speaker 1: great chance. I appreciate it. It looks like I'm a wreck.
Speaker 1: Well there you have it, the first clubhouse, and hope
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. I hope you guys are having an
Speaker 1: unbelievable winner. Hope you're getting a chance to hit some
Speaker 1: golf balls, maybe inside if you live in the northeast
Speaker 1: or somewhere where that is really really cold. I got
Speaker 1: a golf trip this weekend. Sixteen dudes coming my way.
Speaker 1: We're gonna play twenty seven holes a day. Of course,
Speaker 1: this isn't the best time with sunlight, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: get as much golfing as we can. And uh, I'm
Speaker 1: in charge of coming up with some sort of a
Speaker 1: gambling scheme so we can all bet a little bit
Speaker 1: of dough as we play. I'm still trying to figure
Speaker 1: that out. So a golf trip this weekend. We'll be
Speaker 1: back with a new clubhouse next week, and we got
Speaker 1: some guests already lined up. Yes, we're trying to plan ahead.
Speaker 1: That's a new thing for nineteen, big thanks to Robin Hood,
Speaker 1: a big thanks to titlist, and of course a big
Speaker 1: thanks to zip Recruiter. We will talk to you guys
Speaker 1: next week. M