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Speaker 1: Bristillo to the Raiders, and then you get the Patricia

427
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: Judge poopoo platter trying to cover offensive line coach, quarterback coach,

428
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: and calling the players would neither have the experience and

429
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: the right and they've they've won seven games, which is

430
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: like a reminder to me, and I say this all

431
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: the time, like it's it's not that hard, uh to

432
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,479
Speaker 1: win like six or seven games in the NFL, in

433
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: the sense that like there's not that much separating sometimes

434
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: a six or seven win team and and a ten

435
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: win team. And I think the Patriots have figured out

436
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: how to beat bad teams for the most part and

437
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: beat bad quarterbacks. And that's defensive game planning, and that's

438
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 1: like a pretty good amount of young talent. And that's

439
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: just been like navigating these potholes on the offense somehow.

440
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: But that's not gonna get you anywhere. The trick is though,

441
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: there are so many injuries in this game. We should

442
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: mention just quickly that it's why I think we're sounding

443
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 1: a little bummed out. It's like Kyler three play is

444
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: into the game, right then the Patriots best offensive player,

445
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson got hurt, hurt his ankle re entered briefly

446
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: and then left. Jack Jones, who's been a terrific rookie

447
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: starting cornerback. UH left the game and did not come back.

448
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: The Cardinals lost Marco Wilson, who's one of their good cornerbacks,

449
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: early in the game, and DeVante Parker left with a

450
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: concussion early in the game. The best thing I've seen

451
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: Nelson Agilare do pretty much all season for this Patriots

452
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: team was prevent the next play from happening when UH

453
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: DeVante Parker was not um you know right that he

454
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: had been concussed, and they were and Parker still lined

455
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: up for the next play, and Uh agil Are thankfully

456
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: got that shut down. He did have a couple of

457
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: drops in the game. I don't really have a question.

458
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: It's just like Hunter Henry Born a what is going here?

459
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: The ladder is exactly That's what all these receivers in

460
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: tight ends, like Hunter Henry It's like I walk him

461
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: on other teams like I want one of like I

462
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: want Kendrick Born with a better offense or or Hunter

463
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: Henry with a better offense. Then it's like it's all

464
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: these kind of threes took. It took Jacoby Myers being

465
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: hurt and Parker Um being hurt for them to finally

466
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: get Kendrick Born on the field every down, even though

467
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: he's one of their most explosive players, well he he

468
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: doesn't do what the coaches asked. Apparently, sometimes there mental

469
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: errors and they've just been rotating, you know, without Stevenson

470
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: and Damian Harris. They got Strong and Kevin Harrison, a

471
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: couple of rookies who who made enough plays. Pierre Strong

472
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: had a forty four yarder in there. They found a

473
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: way to win. For a while, it really looked like

474
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: they would lose to Robby Anderson making plays in Colt

475
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: McCoy and and James Conner running all over them. They

476
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: had more um open receivers. I felt like in this game,

477
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: like Cliff schemed up more open receivers than the Patriots good,

478
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: especially over the middle, like which was I thought was

479
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 1: where they really wanted up and at the end like

480
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins started to get his. But that's always the classic,

481
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, Patriots defense. They double the number one receiver.

482
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be a bigger Hollywood Brown game,

483
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: but it turned out to be the Robby Anderson game.

484
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: Which makes sense because again it's over the middle. They

485
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: are the Cardinals are comfortable being with a lot of

486
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: sub with a lot of receivers on the field, So

487
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: it's testing your death if you're the Patriots defense. Even

488
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: though they like to play a lot of dvs and

489
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: corners and everything, it's still you know they're gonna find

490
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: a matchup over time. That's the thing. I actually thought

491
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: this would be a scary game for the Patriots defense

492
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: because of Kyler's running ability. Oh yeah, and even even

493
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: at thirteen seven, it really took Marquis Hollywood Brown dropping

494
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: a fourth down. That was nothing that the Patriots did

495
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: that they could have been going in for another touchdown.

496
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: It was the pre snap penalties made some of those

497
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: third and fourth downs harder for Arizona. And then at

498
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: the end, to give the Patriots some credit and they

499
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: should get it. Their their pass rushers Josh ch and

500
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: Matthew jude and have been fantastic this year, especially in

501
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: these late closing situations, and they end up eating UH

502
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: with three sacks. Jude Judean with another sack and a half,

503
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: he's up to fourteen and a half. He has a

504
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: chance to set the Patriots UH franchise single season record

505
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: with a few more who has it. I think it's

506
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: tip it h. I could check on that for you.

507
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: I think it was like eighteen or something fairly high.

508
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: But Judean could also lead the league. And they're getting

509
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: a lot of production out of their rookies, including Marcus Jones,

510
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: who played a lot of offense tonight. Gotta pass a

511
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 1: lot of cornerback tonight. Uh and uh. They have some

512
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: fun young players, at least the New England Patriots. I

513
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: love and and he's really coming to his own this

514
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: last month. I've been playing against a lot of bad

515
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: right tackles helps to the offensive. Tackles really does help.

516
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: But he's he's good. He's a different because he's a

517
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: different type of pass rusher than the Patriots usually usually have,

518
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: Like Judan is kind of like a super version of

519
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: the long pocket pushers like Jude and I feel like

520
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: all of his sacks come as a looper as he

521
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: gets onto some guard and person of chase win of it.

522
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: They never have time for guys who are great pure

523
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: pass rushers. I don't know why, Like they finally have one.

524
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: They have a guy with some twitch and bend and

525
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: it's just I think Bell checks like, hey, this is nice.

526
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't need four of these pocket pushers.

527
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: I could just get one guy that beats up. They

528
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: still don't play him that much. He literally leads the

529
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: NFL in pass rush pressure rate in terms of pressure

530
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: per snap. He has nine sacks in his last five games.

531
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: Josh J, who has been supported heavily by Mina Kimes

532
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: for a long time. She's really the only person that's

533
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: been on Josh J island, and she's cashing in all

534
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: the credit for knowing that Josh J was going to

535
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: be a star. I do have one more rookie I

536
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: do want to talk about. Okay, yeah, I wouldn't throw

537
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 1: them out there. Please go over, please, you forgot your

538
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: special new special team's Ace Brendan's school were Oh my god,

539
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: he's been great all year. Actually he's crazy. Slater is

540
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: probably gonna, you know, get weaned out, you know, and

541
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: enter the next phase of his patriot life, you know,

542
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: Patriot way whatever that is. Whatever. It's like the Elves

543
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: and Lord of the Ranks they get on dying lands,

544
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: So Brandon School or were just those two like as

545
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: gunners like? Those are some of the highlights of the

546
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: night where the punts, because those two are just like

547
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: surrounding the ball and they've done it all year. He's

548
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: so good. M sends out, you know, the pregame fits

549
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: and no one except for Brandon School or whatever is

550
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: dressed crazy and it's always brother in a lot of production.

551
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton, I think could do some things. Cold Strange

552
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: has played a lot. He's been up and down. After

553
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: a good start, Market Jones, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cold Strange

554
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: had some games that where I was like, I was

555
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: starting to like do a cut up on him, to

556
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, look at this guy, and then like

557
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: he has like a couple of streaks or stretches where

558
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 1: I was not as great. So I was like, I

559
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: think I can't really be a highlight film because he's

560
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: getting his butt beat. But he's gonna he's gonna be

561
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: a good player. Like he I think he was worth

562
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: the pick. I know that's a weird spot to take

563
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: on and there's a big noise valid draft day, but

564
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna be worth it in the long run. He

565
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: also got benched at one point. Marcus Jones, by the way,

566
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: is the only player in the Super Bowl era to

567
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: have a receiving touchdown, a punt return touched, a punt

568
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 1: return touchdown, and an interception in a single season. So

569
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: he was out there a good chunk of this night

570
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: covering DeAndre Hopkins Uh in the slot, especially after Jack

571
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: Jones got hurt. Uh and uh holding up well enough.

572
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: He's a fun he's a fun player. When when he

573
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: got that catch, I thought he was gonna take it

574
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: all the way quickly before we get to my list

575
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: of fun players on bad teams. And we're gonna keep

576
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: it quick because it, as always, this has gone on

577
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: way too long. Uh. Seven and six. The Patriots are

578
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: actually the seven seed in the a f C, which

579
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: is crazy because they just they just don't pass the

580
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: eye test. I just don't think they're a good team,

581
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: and I don't think they've improved, and yet they're in

582
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs right now. They have the tiebreaker over the

583
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: Chargers and the Jets. Four Now their next four games

584
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: Raiders Miami UM Cincinnati in Buffalo to final three. Yeah,

585
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: I am saying they finished eight and nine, they beat

586
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: either the Raiders or the Dolphins and lose the other three.

587
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: What see you? That's how I would go about it. Yeah,

588
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna say two and two to start, that's

589
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: a moral victory. If they finished nine and eight, that

590
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: actually might get them into the playoffs. I kind of

591
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: think that the Chargers are gonna win three out of

592
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 1: their last four. Their schedule is very favorable if they

593
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: can beat the Titans this week. But they are the Chargers,

594
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: so it's still They even tried last night, And I

595
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: gotta say I don't want to see this Patriots team

596
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: in the playoffs in particular, which sounds crazy as I

597
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm very conflicted as a fan, like I

598
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: don't I don't want them in anymore. I don't want

599
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: them in these Island games anymore. It's just like I think,

600
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: after after you've seen like the greatest stretch of football

601
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: being played for twenty years, you're just like, this is

602
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: bad ball. They did not deserve to win a football

603
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: game tonight. I don't think anyone would disagree with me

604
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: on that. Would you want him to the bottom of

605
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: fallout or do you you don't like just like dying

606
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: dying by h like one guy? I mean even worse

607
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: if they lost this game. Don't get me wrong, I'm

608
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: glad they won because the Cardinals were just like begging

609
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: to lose this game. But they they have a lot

610
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: to work on. I think Bill Belichick will have to

611
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: make changes in the off season. I think it would

612
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: be a moral victory to get to nine and eight

613
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 1: and have winning records with Mac Jones both of these

614
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: years and change the coaches and add some people to

615
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: the front office and just a couple of things. Not

616
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: the head coach. I just mean, you know, change the

617
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: offensive staff. Yeah, I think. But I think everyone's in

618
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: agreement too. I mean there's like just there's no signs

619
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: of life. Like there's not like where it's like Okay,

620
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: it's coming together, like you know, like last year it's

621
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: like Okay, this defense has really coming together. It's like no, no,

622
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: the the offensive people think of them as a good

623
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: running team. They are thirtieth in rushing d v o

624
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: A since Week seven. That's a long stretch of time.

625
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: I think they're like super high on like negative zero

626
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: or negative yard gains or something of that sort. Like Yeah,

627
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: it's just a very That's why I'm saying it's a

628
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: very frustrating offense. I know I'm preaching to acquire, but

629
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: it's just those at you runs are very just uh,

630
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: it's just you can't do that without like a Jimmy's

631
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: and Joe's advantage if you're not going to give them

632
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: an excess and those advantage. All right, let's spin it positive.

633
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: The list, the top six list today is going to

634
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: be fun players on not so fun teams. Let's hear it,

635
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: fun players on unfun teams. Now, Josh, you cha fit?

636
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: Josh j is on that list. It could be. If

637
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: I need to get to a six, I'm gonna start

638
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: with Jerry Hugh. Jerry Hughes has more pressures this year

639
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Speaker 1: then Bradley chub Khalil Mack and Josh Sweat just to

640
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: pick three random guys, and he has less snaps than

641
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: than most of those guys. Jerry Hughes is thirty four

642
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: years old, and he's never in pass rush situations because

643
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: he plays on the freaking Texans. Every time Jerry Hughes

644
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: makes a play, I'm just like, I love you, Jerry,

645
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: Who's how are you still doing this? He was trying

646
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: to kill his teammates. I want to say, against the

647
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: Dolphins when they like the offense had like a fumble,

648
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: fury touchdown and then pick six. He he was like

649
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: I gotta do this all by myself. What are you

650
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: guys doing? Jerry's has played fantastic this year. That's a

651
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 1: great call. He'd be like the very Good Hall of

652
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: Fame or like the maybe even the great Hall of Fame,

653
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: Like you're not there at the Hall of Fame, but man,

654
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Speaker 1: he has been so good. Hall of very good. Um.

655
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Speaker 1: What a player, and he's fine. He's always flying around

656
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: the field. Uh. Curtis Samuel, I've talked about a lot

657
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: on this show. I think he's quietly had the Curtis

658
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: Samuel season everyone is wanting to have. Every time, I swear,

659
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Speaker 1: tell me if every time Curtis Samuel tu just the

660
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: ball it's a big play in the game, he'll touch

661
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: it six times, but every time it's a first down

662
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: for like fourteen yards when they absolutely need it. It's

663
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: like this talk that we've heard since he's been in Carolina, like, oh,

664
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: they're finally going to use him in the backfield. And

665
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: then he gets hurt and then it's like, well, we

666
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: don't want to give him too many touches. When he

667
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: comes back from his injury, and it's like finally, now

668
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: you actually see it and him and they Scott turn

669
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: has done some cool stuff with them. I know the

670
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: Commander's offense is kind of up and down, but like you,

671
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: they do some cool stuff, Like they do some split

672
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: backs with him, and they do like they'll hand it

673
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: off to him on short yards, but they'll run some

674
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: like deep routes with him from the backfield. It's it's creative.

675
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: He's a creative he's he's I like watching him, like

676
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: I enjoy watching him in that offense because they're actually

677
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: using him in an interesting way. Right, You could argue

678
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: that the Commanders have graduated above unfun, but I don't know.

679
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm not always like psyched to watch a Commanders game,

680
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: but he makes it more exciting. The same could be

681
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: true about the Atlanta Falcons, who at times this season

682
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: have been fun, but they're also five and eight. I'm

683
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: throwing out a surpri Yes here, I'm throwing Desmond Ritter

684
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: on my fun players on an unfun team. They're gonna

685
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: he his presence makes him more fun. Yes, I know

686
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: you're a Desmond Ritter fan, so I just was curious

687
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts about Desmond Ritter entering a division

688
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: race here at five and eight. I'm I like. I

689
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: love Arthur Smith just you know, dragged his feet to

690
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: the bye week. I I love that he stuck to

691
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: his guns. He's his carmogeneous is awesome against like fantasy

692
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: and everything I I I've been loving it. I think

693
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: also Arthur Smith is a very very good football coach.

694
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: But they'll pay dividends down the road. That's one of

695
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: my takes this year. But having said that, the Desmon

696
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: Ritter stuff is one guy that I was surprised in

697
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: this draft process how much I liked him. This quarterback

698
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: classes was not great. Um, and he was the one

699
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: that I said I would have taken a chance on

700
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 1: if I was picking, you know, in that picket range

701
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: or the early second. UM. I think it's just that

702
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: he is a competitive guy. He's athletic, but he's also

703
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: competitive and smart and I think he understands football. Like

704
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: in the preseason he was already handing handling protection checks,

705
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: which is always a good sign. We talked about that

706
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: with Mac Jones. UM seeing that any a third round

707
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: Ricky doing that so great. His accuracy can come and go,

708
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: but it's not it's kind of underrated. I think I

709
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: just think this guy talked like that it was a

710
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: huge weakness and you and I thought it was like, Okay,

711
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: it wasn't great, It's fine. He has the problem that

712
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: what a line drive throwers have that Tannehill and Herbert.

713
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he has that accuracy level, but how

714
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: their throwing style is. When they miss, they miss, it's

715
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: a spray because it's just there's no touch on it.

716
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a line drive. And I think

717
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: that's his issue. I think it's a little like that. Surprisingly, yeah,

718
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: because I figured he would be different. And those guys

719
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: aren't guppies. They don't they push the ball. So that's

720
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: why you're gonna see some misses because they're not checking

721
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: it down every freaking snap. That's why that's why I

722
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: liked him, is because he was progressing from the pocket.

723
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: He was a good athlete that didn't he use his

724
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: athletics and last that's why I liked him. Not top

725
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: of it, I just heard that just great teammate, like

726
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: just psycho competitive, which those of guys I want to

727
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: take a chance on. I'm excited to see this. I

728
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be some opportunities in that offense. All Right.

729
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: I was pandering by throwing read on this list. But

730
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: I think he's entering a good situation. I actually think

731
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: the offensive line is good, the running game is good,

732
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: and the schedules okay, at New Orleans this week, then

733
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: at Baltimore, which is very challenging, then home for Arizona

734
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay. Some pretty tricky defensive coordinators to be

735
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: fair throughout the rest of the way, Vans, Joseph Todd, Bowles,

736
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen, and it's not easy. But I think the

737
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: situation in terms of the running game, in the offensive line,

738
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: and I think he'll be a bigger part of the

739
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: running game than people think. I'm looking forward to it

740
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: quickly because we really do gotta go. I like Draymond

741
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: Jones on the Broncos. He's been playing well all season,

742
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: maybe like a top ten interior rusher this year. I

743
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: like the Jones, the d J Jones, Raymond j Jon

744
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: and uh Isaiah Rodgers is a guy I'm gonna throw

745
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: out on the Colts who has been playing really well

746
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: at cornerback, probably not getting a lot of love, but

747
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: having a nice season as a Roger. And just to

748
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: go out with a controversial bang. Oh, I'm gonna say, Uh,

749
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: Mitch Drabinsky is kind of fun to watch right now,

750
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: just going total yolo every time he's in there. I

751
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: I at least like that he's using the weapons that

752
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: they have. It doesn't hurt me that he throws these interceptions.

753
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: He had like five big time throws in that game.

754
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: If you watch that game and you you took away

755
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: the interceptions, you'd be like, Wow, this is some entertaining football.

756
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: So that's a fun player on an unfun team for

757
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: right now. I love it that that's exactly how he

758
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: played this weekend after after Picky got hurt. Was exactly

759
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: how I thought the Drabinsky experience would be with the Steelers.

760
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: Just let him run around a little bit, Just let

761
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: him go have some fun out there. That's so much

762
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: better than you seeing a guy turtle up in the pocket.

763
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: You know, just let him run around just trying to

764
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: throw something deep. Now, I totally agree with that one.

765
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: I although when you saw a stout line flash up,

766
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: there was a you saw the turnovers. I watched every

767
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: snaff of that game, and two of the interceptions were bad.

768
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: One was a was a great play by Queen, but

769
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: he I think it was actually better than he was

770
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: in Chicago, where like the the quality of the good

771
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: throws were quite good. And it's fun to see George

772
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: picking Deanthon Johnson actually being used. Nate tys, uh, good

773
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: to use your talent here. I've kept you too long.

774
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: You're a new father. How is that going for you? Here?

775
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: You're You're I'm not sleeping old? Are we talking? Uh?

776
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: Is the baby? He's a month a month old? I

777
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: feel I feel bad for even having you on this show.

778
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: You didn't you didn't take any time off? How did

779
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: that go over you? Just like we're back on the

780
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: Athletic podcast that week essentially like days later, he took

781
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: a week off, so we it was by he was overcooked,

782
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: you know. It was like he was past do the

783
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: d date. And so I had this old planned out.

784
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: It was great, I'll basically take a week and a

785
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: half off and then I can just do two pods.

786
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: And then my wife, you understood, She's like, know you

787
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: want to do to Sunday show. I was like, I do.

788
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm able to sit there. So yeah,

789
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: I only took two shows off and I went right

790
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: back to it. But it's because he was overcooked. He

791
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: was well done. So yeah, but he came about nine pounds,

792
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: he was. He was a hefty boy, that was. But yeah,

793
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: he's he's gigantic and he's awesome and like a filet

794
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: petite filet here, what do you do? What does that

795
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: matter in terms of how much time you're taking off

796
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: that he was overcooked or not. No, it was it

797
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: was just how I had a play into my head.

798
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna take those shows off, and

799
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: it turned out those were before it all happens, so

800
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: I didn't really get the afterwards. But no, I just

801
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: I just love doing the show. That's that's the excuse

802
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to have. I don't think I could sit

803
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: on my hands and not do a podcast after sleeping

804
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: right now, you're you're honking loudly in your home. It's

805
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, getting sleeping here in Las Vegas. He's asleep

806
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: right now. Glad he's asleep. He's a good sleeper. So

807
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: that's good, all right? That game would probably I just

808
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: showed him the first half. He was out. Fun to

809
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: have you on, Nate. We will do it again. Yeah,

810
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: everyone check out Nate and Robert May's and uh, all

811
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: the guests Robert has on throughout the week on the

812
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 1: Athletic Football Show. We'll be back on Tuesday, Collin Colleen

813
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: Wolf will be in the studio. We got a special

814
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: guest who used to be on the show quite a

815
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: bit back in the day. So that's a little teaser

816
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: for you on Tuesday. And then we move on with

817
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: the preview show, the Friday Fun Show, and it rolls

818
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: on and on into week fifteen four. Nate Tyson, Justin

819
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: Graver behind the Glass. I'm Greg Rosenthal. See you on Tuesday.

820
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Speaker 1: Heat the Call