Speaker 1: James. What's going on, man made?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing well. How are you guys looking good?
Speaker 1: Look at look at the hair getting longer you and
Speaker 1: your forest gump.
Speaker 2: Baby, I'm just not getting a hair cut, and it's sad.
Speaker 2: It's done Korea very nicely by itself.
Speaker 1: God damn, bro. I felt like your your hair was
Speaker 1: like way shorter last your hair you got, you got
Speaker 1: wonderful hair manles do what those fuckles do?
Speaker 2: I work on it once a year, whether I need
Speaker 2: it or not, and get a haircut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when's your annual haircut?
Speaker 2: Right right before it gets hot, you know, like April May,
Speaker 2: and then you're good through the summer, and then it
Speaker 2: keeps you warm through the winter and.
Speaker 3: Then oh yeah, so we got a couple of months left.
Speaker 3: I gotta be looking like fucking Hosier out here, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. I tie it up.
Speaker 2: You know, once you get to a point you gotta
Speaker 2: you gotta tie it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're right right on the cusp of having to
Speaker 2: do a man done right now.
Speaker 3: Don't do it, man, let those fluss let it.
Speaker 2: I like to let it ride as long asidea get
Speaker 2: when you're running.
Speaker 1: It feels like a yeah, put a couple of beets
Speaker 1: in there, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, yees,
Speaker 1: you got a yeah, get a problematic hair braid and
Speaker 1: that's gonna say, Yeah, you're doing it all Duane's Rosta colors.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I was kind of kicking that up.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Red is for the blood. Black is for the people
Speaker 1: you're like, hold on, hold on, Pan African.
Speaker 3: Ones who did them, the ones who did the braid
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: The one who did the braid for I.
Speaker 3: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season four to twenty one,
Speaker 3: Episode two.
Speaker 1: Of Dalis I guys.
Speaker 3: It's a production of by Heart Radio. It's a podcast
Speaker 3: where we take a deep dive in to America's shared
Speaker 3: consciousness through the day's news. We also have a weekly
Speaker 3: history version where we look at a different icon. We've
Speaker 3: done Miss Piggy with Jamie Loftus, Arnold Schwartzenegger with Gabriis,
Speaker 3: and we just did Elvis Presley with one Chris Crofton
Speaker 3: That dropped yesterday. Go check that out.
Speaker 1: Chris said me, so many videos after we recorded that
Speaker 1: Elvis videos, I didn't get to it. This is this
Speaker 1: other Memphis Mafia video. Dude, you got us. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: they are they are wild true true, Like I was like,
Speaker 1: these people are mental.
Speaker 3: The karate displays by Elvis or some of those videos
Speaker 3: that I've ever seen of anyone, it's it's truly Steven
Speaker 3: Segal esque, where like there's people like throwing punches into
Speaker 3: his midsection but like pulling the like visibly pulling the punches,
Speaker 3: and Elvis is just acting like he's just standing there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: or as I say motto in Japanese, I really wish
Speaker 3: he had just like gotten into a real fight at
Speaker 3: one point and just had his whole his whole world rocked.
Speaker 1: I mean, bro, when you go, when you reach the
Speaker 1: I'm doing like a like displays a physical power. But
Speaker 1: everyone is a paid actor and helped me feel good
Speaker 1: about yourself. You're cooked, You're wat you are the bad
Speaker 1: guy now.
Speaker 3: But out Hey, but you can look for the episodes
Speaker 3: on Monday or go back through there Evergreen.
Speaker 1: That that one's out.
Speaker 3: That one's out though that one is out. Currently it's Tuesday,
Speaker 3: January thirteenth.
Speaker 1: Tuesday, it's National Rubber Ducky Day and also Korean American Day.
Speaker 1: Hey in the area, Hey, shout out everybody from everywhere
Speaker 1: in this place called hell. But however, Korean Americans, it's
Speaker 1: your day today.
Speaker 3: Congratulations to my Korean American friends. Yeah, my name is
Speaker 3: Jack O'Brien AKA. Look that that guy he's rolling down
Speaker 3: that hill just trying to get some food. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: guy is Jay Leno. That one courtesy of First Blood
Speaker 3: five twenty two, Little Coldplay Yellow jay Leno. We how
Speaker 3: soon we forget about the good stories, like when Jay
Speaker 3: Leno showed up ass fully beat in public and his
Speaker 3: excuse was that he tried to go to a restaurant
Speaker 3: next to his hotel, but it was down a hill
Speaker 3: and he just like fell and landed on his face,
Speaker 3: like just at every trip, he just like tumbled and
Speaker 3: landed on his face fifteen times in a row. Might
Speaker 3: have been the mob, I don't know. We're still looking
Speaker 3: into it, the black Eye cult or whatever that's called.
Speaker 3: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co
Speaker 3: host mister Miles Gray, Miles.
Speaker 1: Ray, Hey, the show gun with no Gun, the Lord
Speaker 1: of Lankersham, just you know, just hanging out doing my thing.
Speaker 1: I wish I had another AKA, but in the existential
Speaker 1: dread that was this morning, I failed to search the
Speaker 1: discord for AKA, but I will find one because I
Speaker 1: just saw some. Finally, someone did a Jesse's Girl AKA
Speaker 1: because of the news of how I told my child
Speaker 1: that a picture of Jesus is actually called Jesse. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: as Jesus is known in this home as just that dude,
Speaker 1: Jesse and Jesse's everywhere. But yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Guess the nuns. Nuns would be Jesse's girls, Mary Magdalen,
Speaker 3: Mary Magdalen.
Speaker 1: You never know, you never know, depends on depends on
Speaker 1: where you look at it from.
Speaker 3: And anybody wearing one of those promise rings, you know,
Speaker 3: Jesse's Girl.
Speaker 1: Oh you want to Jesse's girl. He starts saying that
Speaker 1: shit older, They're like, what are you talking about? I
Speaker 1: know the type.
Speaker 3: Miles were thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 3: by a journalist and historian from Kool Zone Media who
Speaker 3: you know from his reporting on it could have happened here.
Speaker 3: He's reported for Esquire and that Geo, The Nation Slate,
Speaker 3: among many others, and his new book is now available
Speaker 3: for pre order. It's called Against the State. Anarchists and
Speaker 3: Comrades at Warren Spamimar and Rajava. Please welcome James st. James.
Speaker 2: Wow, that was a great introt, like, I prey feel
Speaker 2: better about myself now.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're I mean, look, the reputation precedes.
Speaker 3: You, James. What a weird subject to cover in this
Speaker 3: American moment. Yeah, no, I want to be.
Speaker 2: I pitched his book in like twenty twenty two, so yeah,
Speaker 2: here we are, right, yeah, nearly four years later.
Speaker 3: But yeahsing buzz marketing by the Trouble administration. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: gyal marketing.
Speaker 1: Yeah you got it in at DHS or something.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not moist pity. I have not interacted with DHS
Speaker 2: in any way apart from the way so everyone else has,
Speaker 2: which is you know, them shouting at me, deploying chemical liritons,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they love to do that.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 1: It's really out right.
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah about chemistry, you know.
Speaker 2: Show vapors, smokes, particulates.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. I think Greg Abbott was like recently saying
Speaker 1: something about like just with like Glee talking about all
Speaker 1: the pepper balls that were being like fired at protesters.
Speaker 2: Like cool, yeah, very unpleasant and peppable.
Speaker 3: But I mean I have to assume that they're recruiting
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, chemical engineers people like that
Speaker 3: and to be like interested in chemistry. So are we yeah,
Speaker 3: come through or maybe not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they are. I think that they're recruiting
Speaker 2: in other areas if anything. Yeah, or like.
Speaker 1: Like amateur geneticists. Yeah, that's probably pretty hot right into
Speaker 1: like phenotypes and stuff.
Speaker 3: Skull shape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, we've got some Calipa guys who do
Speaker 2: the phrenology. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, James, we're thrilled to have you. We're going to
Speaker 3: get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 3: we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things
Speaker 3: we're talking about on today's episode. We are going to
Speaker 3: talk about the the Trump administrations continued attempt at I
Speaker 3: was gonna say damage control, but you can't really call
Speaker 3: it damage control because they're like, they're doing this while
Speaker 3: releasing Hitler quote posters from the Department of Labor, So
Speaker 3: they're trying to control the narrative by putting it in
Speaker 3: an illegal choke hold. I think is probably the best
Speaker 3: way to describe what they're doing. We'll talk about Christy
Speaker 3: Gnome on CNN and just other attempts from them to
Speaker 3: put what happened last week in Minneapolis and context and
Speaker 3: we'll of course talk about the upcoming you know, the
Speaker 3: NFL playoffs kicked off over the weekend, which to me
Speaker 3: just means that we're one step closer to that turning point.
Speaker 3: USA halftime Show. Yeah, so we we're going to see
Speaker 3: what the latest is on that, and then we'll also
Speaker 3: talk about Soron's first week in office, what he's up to,
Speaker 3: all of that plenty more. But first, James, we do
Speaker 3: like to ask our guests, what is something from your
Speaker 3: search history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this. First of all, I didn't
Speaker 2: think you should use a search engine that keeps history
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six in the American moment. But I
Speaker 2: looked at some ship I searched. I've been buying some
Speaker 2: really niche tomato seeds recently, So.
Speaker 1: No wonder, no wonder.
Speaker 5: You're on the love right, Yeah, you want to keep
Speaker 5: it on the d L. Yeah, but the VP browser
Speaker 5: niche tomato seed sounds so funny to me. But also
Speaker 5: hold on, what is a niche tomato seed?
Speaker 2: To begin, You've got your like mainstream tomatoes, right, we
Speaker 2: go to the garden center, you get your tomato. It's
Speaker 2: red crown to cherry whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you take it to the ones. I know, I
Speaker 3: know cherry, I know vine ripened.
Speaker 1: That's not actually variety, Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, an heirloom yep is what I was assuming
Speaker 3: we were talking when we get to the world of
Speaker 3: niche to.
Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, when I was a lot younger, I worked
Speaker 2: in it in a tomato growing facility, So I've been
Speaker 2: exposed a lot of types of Tomorrow. Yeah, man, you
Speaker 2: want to chip job, go and work. Was just marveling
Speaker 2: at the way you say tomorrow. It's the one I
Speaker 2: ride for the American accent. I'm like, it's not that
Speaker 2: much better. The British accent that much better. But you guys,
Speaker 2: you got our ass on tomato. It's much better that one.
Speaker 2: So we've had a few l's over the years.
Speaker 1: It's we're trying to condense all of ours into a
Speaker 1: real umultuous twenty years. That really Yeah, takes the focus
Speaker 1: under the heirloom umbrella.
Speaker 2: Under the umbrella. Yeah, but then you're more niche types, right,
Speaker 2: Like this one I like called orange Strawberry. I've been
Speaker 2: going that one.
Speaker 3: Not actually, James, I.
Speaker 1: Was going to say, yeah, those are fruits.
Speaker 2: That is Tomorrow is a fruit, right ya.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you got me there. So are you just
Speaker 3: talking about oranges and strong think of them as tomatoes?
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people didn't have frames of
Speaker 2: reference back in the day. That's just they either call
Speaker 2: it that or like they just call it like after
Speaker 2: their friend. Paul Robison is the other tomato I've been
Speaker 2: been ordering Paul, Yeah, like the guy like they just
Speaker 2: went to went to the Spanish Civil War, the poet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, and it's he has a tomato named after him.
Speaker 2: He does. Yeah. I thought that was tweet, you know,
Speaker 2: like like somebody, somebody like created this this tomato variety. Right,
Speaker 2: they went to the greenhouse, they did the work, and
Speaker 2: they were like, what am I going to call it?
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna call it after myself. I respect this dude.
Speaker 2: Let me give this tomato to his legacy. And I
Speaker 2: thought that was nice.
Speaker 1: So what a what a momo tato? Tomato also be
Speaker 1: considered one of those niche tomatoes or is that mainstream still?
Speaker 2: I know that is?
Speaker 1: Oh that's a Japanese like hybrid. Okay, like farmers at
Speaker 1: farmers markets too that I'm yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think if it's a farmer's market only thing, if it's
Speaker 2: not its like supermarket, right niche. It's when you can't
Speaker 2: buy them as plants, when you have to buy them
Speaker 2: as seeds. That's when you know you're really deep in
Speaker 2: Like is it is.
Speaker 1: It illegal to get the seeds from abroad? Like it's
Speaker 1: all it's all above board.
Speaker 2: I'm going to inside the US. It might be illegal.
Speaker 2: You do sign that form right, Like do you have
Speaker 2: any seeds fruits that I know? Yeah, when you come
Speaker 2: back into the US that.
Speaker 1: Like what that's what I say, I say, not that
Speaker 1: I know of. Meanwhile, my old jack, my whole jacket
Speaker 1: is made of tomato seeds.
Speaker 2: Smart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's like one of those bird feeders
Speaker 3: all stuck together.
Speaker 2: Seeds those lodge you covered yourself in loud and then
Speaker 2: rolled into my ship kind of birds.
Speaker 1: Also fun, These aren't my birds, man, Tell me I
Speaker 1: don't want them with me, Tell me get out of here.
Speaker 3: They just attract birds man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, and the more niche tomatoes are we are we
Speaker 3: dealing with different flavors. They have anything that approximates the
Speaker 3: cotton candy grape. I love when they're like oh yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is the sweet fruit. Can we make it candy though,
Speaker 3: But do they have a pizza tomato?
Speaker 2: I bet they do? What this pizza tomato are gano
Speaker 2: built in and like middle not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 2: You could growe them next to each other though, you know,
Speaker 2: like you know, in the same pot, like a companion planting. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You can't do basil. Yeah, I've got a good basil
Speaker 2: plant going. You can't do like you know how you
Speaker 2: can do with citrus where you graft different citrus onto
Speaker 2: the same tree and you can have like a yeah
Speaker 2: two t fruity tree. Never seen that done.
Speaker 1: With Well you can do that with us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man, you can.
Speaker 2: Have like a definite they call them fruit salad trees. Oh,
Speaker 2: you get them, get them grafted together. But that's that's
Speaker 2: not really possible. Cheese by the nature of it, you know,
Speaker 2: it's coming from it coming from a different place.
Speaker 3: Cheese plants have all failed. YEA sad, no matter what
Speaker 3: what brand.
Speaker 1: I take a baby, I take it out of their
Speaker 1: wax and I bury it and I water it.
Speaker 3: What is something that you think is underrated?
Speaker 2: Underrated? I was thinking about this. I think it's it's
Speaker 2: sock gifts, you know, like we just had Christmas right
Speaker 2: or hanakah or ponto or whatever people are doing. They
Speaker 2: get gifts, and people always like rag on getting socks
Speaker 2: as a gift.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, sure, sure, I'm actually.
Speaker 2: A high quality sock. Appreciate it. Last year I received
Speaker 2: a full like right same size, right right size form
Speaker 2: my feet, but in different thicknesses. Oh sock brand. And
Speaker 2: it's great, man, because I can just adjust, you know,
Speaker 2: get a bit warmer, get a bit cold's boots, a
Speaker 2: little bit loose, go thick a sock. Great gift. I
Speaker 2: really I love use them all the time. You didn't
Speaker 2: touch them every day?
Speaker 1: I mean you. I have to say, if I was
Speaker 1: gonna trust someone's opinion on socks, it would be you
Speaker 1: someone who runs a lot, who has like to run
Speaker 1: traversed quite harrowing kinds of geography through the course of
Speaker 1: their journalistic career. Wait, what, so, what's like? What what
Speaker 1: are we talking here?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: If you need a good sock, it's not where we're
Speaker 1: talking marino wool. It's had to be woolf Okay, So okay,
Speaker 1: it's got to be wool, or we're not talking to
Speaker 1: James about socks. Okay, Yeah, remember what's okay, what's the next.
Speaker 2: Marino wool and our pack a wool both pretty good. Okay,
Speaker 2: so these are like wolves again. Wolf socks are nice
Speaker 2: because they keep they say warm. When they're wet, they
Speaker 2: get less funky, they get less smelly, and then they
Speaker 2: gotta they gotta fit right right there. Do you want
Speaker 2: me to name brands?
Speaker 3: We don't know?
Speaker 1: I mean, if paying you, you know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: just need to know. I guess that was a big
Speaker 1: thing is because I always know people who are like, Bro,
Speaker 1: you gotta wear wool socks, like all the people you're
Speaker 1: serious about socks, Like, what the fuck are you doing
Speaker 1: if not wearing wolf socks?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Man, And then you've got to get the ones with
Speaker 2: a lifetime warranty so you can you can wear them.
Speaker 2: You can run eight hundred miles in them. They wear out,
Speaker 2: you send them back, they send you new socks. Oh my,
Speaker 2: it's an investment.
Speaker 1: Though, man. I have Yeah, the way the way I walk,
Speaker 1: like I really use my big toe to like balance myself.
Speaker 1: That like I feel like I really wear out the
Speaker 1: big toe real quick.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they get you got to get invest in
Speaker 2: some lifetime warranty socks and you'll be sucking forever.
Speaker 1: Well, the gas station I buy him at. The guys
Speaker 1: always coming to get the fuck out when I show.
Speaker 1: But whatever, I will invest the wool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so wolf socks even even like when you're playing sports.
Speaker 2: Woolf socks. Yeah, yeah, like thin ones, you know when
Speaker 2: I'm talking like thick, hairy, fluffy ones.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, especially when I'm playing sports.
Speaker 2: Like I've run some ultramarathons, and it's nice because you're
Speaker 2: going to go through a river at one point or other, right,
Speaker 2: and then you you want the sock that doesn't sort
Speaker 2: of oh yeah, you get get funky, get old, get
Speaker 2: your feet cold. And I feel like Will does much
Speaker 2: better with that.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I am not going to be going through a river,
Speaker 3: by the way. You may be, but I will not
Speaker 3: be running America. I come upon a river, you're like,
Speaker 3: oh no, at the end of the America finish line,
Speaker 3: there's only like there's only like six hundred meters left.
Speaker 1: Yeah about this river, dude.
Speaker 2: And the river is a gift man. I remember I
Speaker 2: did a few has to go to two hundred mile
Speaker 2: bike rades, very hot, really hot day, and there was
Speaker 2: a river crossing. I just got off my bike, went
Speaker 2: in there, bathed.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I felt great after that, sat there for a while.
Speaker 2: It's wonderful thing. Embrace the river.
Speaker 1: Bathing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I fell into one in Iceland that was not
Speaker 2: not an enjoyable experience. That was very cold.
Speaker 3: Are you a cold plunged person? Do you know?
Speaker 2: I don't do any of that. I mean not consciously.
Speaker 2: I go in the sea and uh in San Diego,
Speaker 2: so it's it's cold quite a lot. It's cold right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're not doing the thing of like I
Speaker 1: gotta get into this body of ice water. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not whim hoffing.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're not.
Speaker 3: And how on the socks that go thick to thin?
Speaker 3: Is the thinnest sock the equivalent of those little pantyhose
Speaker 3: things that they put over your feet when you're trying
Speaker 3: on shoes.
Speaker 2: It's pretty thin. Yeah. Maybe maybe maybe a smudge, maybe
Speaker 2: a smug stick of it that I can't see through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't use it as a mask to rob
Speaker 1: a b No, do an immigration rate whatever you're doing.
Speaker 2: Or socks not for ice?
Speaker 3: What are something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2: The song fairy Tale of New York Okay Okay by
Speaker 2: the Pogues. I love the Pokes, right. I think Shane
Speaker 2: McGowan's generational talent to objection to that song right, has
Speaker 2: a homophobic slur and expresses positive sentiments about NYPD.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't need either of those. Rainy Night and
Speaker 2: Soho is a much better Christmas e pokes song if
Speaker 2: you know that one?
Speaker 1: What is it? I don't know. I don't know either
Speaker 1: these songs.
Speaker 2: You haven't heard fairy Tale in New.
Speaker 3: York let me see as big as bars. They got rivers,
Speaker 3: that's all I got.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know this.
Speaker 2: I don't know this really well. Okay, well you've got
Speaker 2: to fund YouTube half hour after we're done. I mean,
Speaker 2: what's Shane McGowan singing it? Because his ability to turn
Speaker 2: up absolutely think of a broadcast word. He's off his face,
Speaker 2: he's drunk, ship fist. Yeah, rat asked? Is the word
Speaker 2: I was going to use? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1: Is there is there a specific performance I should watch
Speaker 1: for the rat assery.
Speaker 2: Most of them?
Speaker 3: Yeah? If you had asked the opposite question, is there
Speaker 3: is already together?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, is that was that?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: The that is that kind of the legend of this
Speaker 1: group is just sort of him as front man and
Speaker 1: his antics or there's more to the I mean, I've
Speaker 1: heard that name of the band, but I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: completely ignorant as to like what their work.
Speaker 2: Is, like Irish folk punk. I would say, no, they're great.
Speaker 2: They have some really great songs. I think they've done
Speaker 2: good things and like documenting Irish folk music and I
Speaker 2: struggle of Irish people being colonized by British people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and yeah, they're they're they're a good band. I like
Speaker 2: the Pokes a lot. Everyone should listen to the Pogues.
Speaker 2: They haven't, but that song they feel like it's like
Speaker 2: how everyone likes Rock the Casma, but it's the worst
Speaker 2: clash song right right, right right, Okay, it's a similar
Speaker 2: similar feeling I have.
Speaker 1: I see, I see, you got it.
Speaker 3: All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break while
Speaker 3: Miles watches a bunch of Pogues videos and uh, we'll
Speaker 3: be right back, and we're back, We're back and yeah,
Speaker 3: so this weekend was a weird mix of we talked
Speaker 3: about the video that was released where they were like,
Speaker 3: check and mate, we got the video from the shooter's perspective,
Speaker 3: and I think you're gonna see some ship here that's
Speaker 3: gonna change your mind, And it was like worse than
Speaker 3: the other angle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it it's one of my colleagues mentioned this
Speaker 2: when we were talking about it, like I'll work chat
Speaker 2: it is start of think that your lawyer would fight
Speaker 2: to keep out of disclosure in court, right, and just
Speaker 2: they just tweeted it. Let's put out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, not a lot of thought going into it.
Speaker 1: But I think it's also interesting too, Like it I
Speaker 1: was saying yesterday's episode that on some level maybe they
Speaker 1: think that would help justify it to their base, which
Speaker 1: is like, well, there's at least you got this angle
Speaker 1: of the wife saying something back to the ice officer,
Speaker 1: which in their mind because that a lot of people
Speaker 1: jumped onto that details like why she getting out of
Speaker 1: the car trying to confront the ice officer and like
Speaker 1: what do they think is going to happen? So in
Speaker 1: some way, I think they were trying to take it
Speaker 1: from the headline, which is like this mother who was
Speaker 1: killed to like someone who was protesting ice who was
Speaker 1: also a mother who was killed, to try and give
Speaker 1: people just sort of like that weird logical, you know,
Speaker 1: bit of something that like MAGA needs to completely contort
Speaker 1: their brains and be like, that's not what I saw. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's this other thing now, and that's okay now, and
Speaker 1: I don't have to talk about it because it makes
Speaker 1: whatever uncomfortable or maybe not.
Speaker 3: Backtalk is a capital offense, it was kind of the implication. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And so Christynome attempted to go on CNN and then
Speaker 3: Jake Tapper was just like, so, if anybody gives any
Speaker 3: sort of pushback at all to the Homeland Security they
Speaker 3: should be killed. She's like, yes, absolutely, and then he
Speaker 3: was like, here's the video of January sixth. Yeah, how
Speaker 3: are we making sense of that? And she didn't really
Speaker 3: she didn't really know what to say to that. No
Speaker 3: great answer.
Speaker 1: No, So here's a Tapper just playing the you know,
Speaker 1: all the body cam footage we've seen from January sixth
Speaker 1: and just sort of narrating to be like, okay, so
Speaker 1: interfering with law enforcement is a capital offense, and how
Speaker 1: about this plea attack?
Speaker 7: By this standard, would any of those officers being justified
Speaker 7: and shooting and killing the people causing them physical harm?
Speaker 8: Every single situation is going to rely on the situation
Speaker 8: those officers are on. But they know that when people
Speaker 8: are putting hands on them, when they are using weapons
Speaker 8: against them, when they are physically harming them, that they
Speaker 8: have the authority to arrest those individuals, every single one
Speaker 8: of those less and make sure that they're getting justice
Speaker 8: for their actions going forward rosident.
Speaker 7: Trump pardoned every single one of those and every.
Speaker 8: Single one of these investigations comes in the full context
Speaker 8: of the situation on the ground, and that's.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's just again it becomes a bunch of words
Speaker 1: the whole time. Yeah, well, it's all in the context
Speaker 1: of the the context of people beating them with we
Speaker 1: just said beating with weapons, and we just saw a
Speaker 1: clip of that, smushing them indoors, punching them using bear sproll.
Speaker 1: I thought she was gonna say, do these people be
Speaker 1: deserved the arrested? I said, every single one of them,
Speaker 1: every single one of them. See, when every single one
Speaker 1: of these situations is a case by case thing, which again,
Speaker 1: this is just I'd imagine the hallmark of any authoritarian
Speaker 1: regime to be like, no, what you're seeing is not
Speaker 1: what you're seeing, and in fact, everything we do is justified,
Speaker 1: and if you disagree with me, you you are actually
Speaker 1: the bad one. Yeah, there was more like it goes
Speaker 1: on to where he keeps insisting, like, you know, like
Speaker 1: this guy, the person who this ICE agent who shot
Speaker 1: her was he's doing a defense. We know that he
Speaker 1: was justified in doing it. And Jake Tapper pretty quickly
Speaker 1: is like, I feel like you just there's no investigation.
Speaker 1: We still don't know what's going on in the investigation.
Speaker 1: You've clearly made up your mind. Is that is that
Speaker 1: a benefit or is that a disservice to this ICE
Speaker 1: agent that you so clearly care so much about. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting because here she does like another word salad
Speaker 1: thing that like causes Jake Tapper to just audibly groan
Speaker 1: because again it's another non answer. It's just a bunch
Speaker 1: of what about isms and deflections.
Speaker 3: I think obfuscation is his kink, and I think he's
Speaker 3: actually coming a little bit.
Speaker 1: But go, oh, well, well, do you let your be
Speaker 1: the judge? Yeah, yours to say through.
Speaker 7: I'm wondering if you're not doing a disservice to the
Speaker 7: officer by reaching a conclusion before the investigation.
Speaker 8: Things heard you say once, what a disservice it's done
Speaker 8: for may Or Fry to get up and to Ice
Speaker 8: to get the f out of his city. AOC to
Speaker 8: stand up before she had any of the facts and
Speaker 8: call this officer a murderer. Your individuals, well call them out, Jake,
Speaker 8: spend as much time calling them out. I have provided
Speaker 8: you with facts and information to back up every single
Speaker 8: word that we have said and every single part of
Speaker 8: this investigation. And if you don't like it, that's fine,
Speaker 8: but we're going to continue to do the right thing
Speaker 8: to keep the American people safe.
Speaker 3: And that was not us coming up that during that answer,
Speaker 3: that was Jake.
Speaker 1: That was Jake groaning, because again, it's just like a
Speaker 1: stone wall. You're talking about something this consequential, and it's
Speaker 1: just you get just fucking nonsense, just chest passed right
Speaker 1: back to you. And yeah, it doesn't bode well too.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: Then you then have Tom Homan, who's the you know,
Speaker 1: borders are He also had to go on the Sunday
Speaker 1: Shows two to do their whole like presentation to mainstream
Speaker 1: media about why this is okay. Christian Welker pretty much
Speaker 1: point blank was like, look the way you're talking, the
Speaker 1: way Christy Nome's talking, she called good a domestic terrorist.
Speaker 1: Can we just define what that is? Are you saying
Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't like ICE or is protesting and this
Speaker 1: is you get this very eloquent answer back from Tom Homan.
Speaker 2: Terrorist.
Speaker 4: Just to be clear, is anyone who protests ICE a
Speaker 4: domestic terrorist in the eyes of the administration. I can't
Speaker 4: say that. You know, it's a case by case basis.
Speaker 4: But you know, if you look up definition of terrorism,
Speaker 4: is there violence? Is there a threat of violence based
Speaker 4: on an ideology that wants to change the way the
Speaker 4: government does what we do? Look on the definition terrorism.
Speaker 6: With Secretary Nome correct to label her a domestic terrorist.
Speaker 2: Mister Homan, look, we don't.
Speaker 4: Know what I don't know. If Secretary Nome knows what
Speaker 4: I know, I can tell you is what they did.
Speaker 4: It's all legal. And if you look up this definition
Speaker 4: of terrorism.
Speaker 1: Here he goes goes right back to it very narrowly. If
Speaker 1: you again, I mean like that that term terrorism is
Speaker 1: made to sort of used by the States to describe
Speaker 1: people that are like against me not And but again
Speaker 1: in American culture, it's like that means the boogey man
Speaker 1: al Qaeda nine to eleven, And you're one of these people.
Speaker 1: Now because what you're just again purely off the definition
Speaker 1: of like they are against what we're doing and trying
Speaker 1: to change.
Speaker 9: The put like through a political ideology. Therefore you're allowed
Speaker 9: to do that. Yeah, in America, you're allowed to do that, right,
Speaker 9: try and change what we're doing. Yeah, voice just what?
Speaker 3: Nah? Is it cool if I sound a little bit
Speaker 3: drunk while I'm making this point?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 9: Ye?
Speaker 3: Because are really loose? Yeah, let me sound a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's it sounds like a drunken barn cat. You gotta understanding,
Speaker 1: do we, Chris No, I gotta put my Danjerts in
Speaker 1: a little bit better to the Uh. Yeah, it's it's wild, James.
Speaker 1: I'm curious too, Like, in the context, especially in your book,
Speaker 1: you're talking about people who also find themselves in quite
Speaker 1: extraordinary situations. You know, people living their lives and then
Speaker 1: they come up against a state that is violently trying
Speaker 1: to upend their way of living, deeming everything they believe
Speaker 1: in or their way of life illegal. What is where
Speaker 1: do you kind of put the this this situation right
Speaker 1: now sort of in the context of a lot of
Speaker 1: the things you've seen in terms of you know, people
Speaker 1: led revolutions and things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's not a good situation that we're in
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, fuck I actually I know you were saying,
Speaker 3: they're like when they say anybody who protests against them
Speaker 3: as a terrorist, I was hoping you said that that's
Speaker 3: actually the the that they're usually going to call it off. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's their last step before the before they give we're
Speaker 3: we're good here at.
Speaker 2: I remember in twenty twenty two, early twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: I was speaking to this young guy who was part
Speaker 2: of the unit called the gen Z Army in Mianma
Speaker 2: and really like really nice young man, right, Like he
Speaker 2: was kind of one of the reasons I wanted to
Speaker 2: write this book because the way he talked about how
Speaker 2: they organize themselves lines up with what I would consider
Speaker 2: to be anarchism. Right, they didn't have authority structures, say,
Speaker 2: they obtained consensus before doing stuff, and that he was like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: for years, we'd hear the government talk about terrorists and
Speaker 2: we'd be like, well, shit, that's awful, hope those guys die.
Speaker 2: And then we saw the government, we saw the military
Speaker 2: seize like the power from the elected government. Right, not
Speaker 2: a great election, but election nonetheless, and now they call
Speaker 2: us terrorists and we're not terrorists like, and we realized
Speaker 2: that that's just that's just shit that they say. They
Speaker 2: are the ones who are trying to make people afraid
Speaker 2: and to execute political change through fear. And I thought
Speaker 2: it was really interesting to see him and that word
Speaker 2: in Burmese that he was using is very loaded rights.
Speaker 2: It's a word that I wouldn't I wouldn't want to
Speaker 2: use to describe them still, and I sometimes don't even
Speaker 2: use rebels because I know it can be translated in
Speaker 2: that way and people can feel like it's it's disrespectful.
Speaker 2: But for him, he's like, yeah, I give a shit
Speaker 2: and call me what they want. They're out there killing
Speaker 2: people like they're doing worse stuff and calling me names,
Speaker 2: and like it's very clear which one of us is
Speaker 2: a bad guy here?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? I mean again that especially in American culture,
Speaker 1: it's such a thought killer as a description when you
Speaker 1: just say terrorists, yeah and bad, instantly bad, no further
Speaker 1: analysis needed. If you say domestic, oh, domestic terrorist means
Speaker 1: a person that lives here and is bad versus the
Speaker 1: other one, which most people just go they just think
Speaker 1: like Islamic extremism or something like that, and just yeah,
Speaker 1: straight to isis and yeah, because they use the same
Speaker 1: sort of language that in rhetoric they've used for the
Speaker 1: last three death three four decades to describe like other
Speaker 1: kinds of extremist terrorism, like it's a whole network, okay,
Speaker 1: that they're part of a network, you understand, and like
Speaker 1: they're there in a cell of other terrorists in this network,
Speaker 1: rather than I think what most people saw I feel,
Speaker 1: which is like this is just a person who again
Speaker 1: is in their community saying what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 1: I'm going to record this And sure, maybe getting being
Speaker 1: in the road maybe quote unquote illegal or a violation,
Speaker 1: but in terms of that leading to a summary execution
Speaker 1: or just being shot just without any kind of anything. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's where most people are like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's this is a lot. And yeah, I'm I'm wondering too,
Speaker 1: how when it will help, Like how quickly American people
Speaker 1: also see, like how cheap this this sort of descriptor
Speaker 1: or like just casting anyone as getting in the way
Speaker 1: as terrorism or terrorist will kind of hold up because
Speaker 1: they seem to really think that that is their like
Speaker 1: sort of rhetorical strategy here. It's keep saying this person
Speaker 1: is a terrorist or anyone that is not doesn't like
Speaker 1: Ice is a terrorist, and maybe we have enough logical
Speaker 1: cover to keep doing this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's I mean, I was I'm thinking. I
Speaker 2: think a lot about like the situation in Meanmar, right,
Speaker 2: Like how it began. It's like these big, peaceful protests
Speaker 2: and it became a revolution that now has liberated half
Speaker 2: the country from the government, and like there were little
Speaker 2: they are little rubicons they crossed all along the way.
Speaker 2: Another river crossing reference, but uh this time, like I
Speaker 2: remember the first time the cops shot somewhat and people
Speaker 2: were just like shit, Like these are the stakes, right,
Speaker 2: Like this is a game we're playing and there's a
Speaker 2: choice there that people have, right, It's like do And
Speaker 2: this happened in the Syrian revolution that have not all
Speaker 2: across the Arab spring, right, it's happening in Iran right now.
Speaker 2: People were like, well, are we willing to play game
Speaker 2: where the stakes are our lives? Or are we willing
Speaker 2: to live the rest of our lives subjected? And obviously
Speaker 2: in the US and theory we have elections coming up,
Speaker 2: but that's not necessarily the case. But that wasn't the
Speaker 2: case in in Membar, in Sirior, and it's not in Iran,
Speaker 2: and people were like, you know what, fuck you, We're
Speaker 2: all going to come out now, Like more of us
Speaker 2: will show up, tens of thousands of US will show
Speaker 2: up at this young woman's funeral in Memmar, right and
Speaker 2: be like we're not afraid of you. And those little
Speaker 2: rubicuns that they crossed, Like what made their movement what
Speaker 2: it is today because they weren't they considered it to
Speaker 2: be worth it, I guess, And like that's what every
Speaker 2: every movement has to face. And like it's pretty pretty
Speaker 2: disturbing to think that that's what we're facing in the US.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you can be executed for a traffic infraction, right,
Speaker 2: it's kind of where we're at, right, Like people can
Speaker 2: be killed in the street and the government is going
Speaker 2: to investigate and find themselves innocent in five minutes on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty bleak. What's wild? There's
Speaker 1: like you know a lot of people I say, like
Speaker 1: it's all of these weapons we use abroader coming back
Speaker 1: home to roost, you know, the same, this is the
Speaker 1: same justification the US military will use to kill innocent
Speaker 1: people and other quot war zones, and like, well, that
Speaker 1: was a terrorist and like that looked like a family.
Speaker 1: But that's your just description to kind of keep things
Speaker 1: moving along to not you know, to not bring people's
Speaker 1: attention to the humanity of it. And yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think that's where seeing all that is really Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's alarming, which is like it doesn't even
Speaker 1: suffice in terms of like a word to I feel
Speaker 1: like Susan Collins right now, it is alarming right now
Speaker 1: to see what is happening.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we're going to ask questions and wait for
Speaker 3: the investigation that them. And it feels like the DHS
Speaker 3: crossed like three rubicons in the last week basically love.
Speaker 3: They're just skipping over those motherfuckers. They're skipping the rubicons.
Speaker 1: Yeah right. And I'm also curious, like because rhetorically too,
Speaker 1: you see out of the administration more and more of
Speaker 1: this like ethno nationalist propaganda come out from official channels
Speaker 1: as like these like you know, very Nazi inspired posters
Speaker 1: or phrases and things like that. But do you see
Speaker 1: that as sort of them trying to like shore up
Speaker 1: support from people that will be receptive to seeing that
Speaker 1: kind of message or do you think that's them projecting
Speaker 1: onto the viewing public. This is what this is the
Speaker 1: hymnal we're singing from. Now you can get in line,
Speaker 1: like what or is that just trolling? I mean, how
Speaker 1: do you look at that and sort of like the
Speaker 1: larger power picture of it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think some of it's just trolling, right.
Speaker 2: Some of it's just like they get a little little
Speaker 2: excited thrilled because they've got some like someone who's probably
Speaker 2: like twenty one years old, it's manning that Twitter account
Speaker 2: right like that that, and so some of it's they
Speaker 2: they've been doing it for years and now they're doing
Speaker 2: it on a government website and it's very exciting for them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think some of it is trying to
Speaker 2: tie that narrative to their narrative, right, or to try
Speaker 2: and like gradually move their base towards this open blood
Speaker 2: and soil position, which like they haven't really been that
Speaker 2: subtle about to begin with r right, Like that's where
Speaker 2: they're at now, Like it moved and the Overton you know,
Speaker 2: you know about the Overton window right at the window
Speaker 2: of acceptable political discourse, Like it's it's like the Overton
Speaker 2: windows blown out the wall in terms of like it's
Speaker 2: a hole in the building, right, Yeah. Yeah, the outside
Speaker 2: of the building has gone now.
Speaker 3: Expanded, the overton window of the Oklahoma City Federal Yeah
Speaker 3: they yeah. And I feel like because nothing sticks to
Speaker 3: them that they can just be like, yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 3: do that, but yeah, why not. It'll it'll reach the
Speaker 3: audience that we wanted to reach, and it'll piss off
Speaker 3: other people. But the pissing off other people doesn't have
Speaker 3: any consequences, right, so we're just going to keep going.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, Or it's just owning the Libs, right, which
Speaker 2: is a goal and an end in itself.
Speaker 1: It's just it's funny, right, which is odd because I
Speaker 1: mean not odd, I mean like if it's such a
Speaker 1: fundamental misreading of America from like the MAGA politicians, because
Speaker 1: like you even see quotes or like like from DHS
Speaker 1: spokespeople other politicians are saying, like, people, you gotta quit protesting,
Speaker 1: like saying it like, knock it off, like quit protesting
Speaker 1: DHS and ICE guys like let them do their jobs.
Speaker 1: And you're like, what quit protest? What as if you
Speaker 1: didn't expect this to be the natural reaction of human
Speaker 1: beings to see people just kidnaps by armed goons or
Speaker 1: entering people's homes like that. That it's like, guys, quick,
Speaker 1: prote what's going on? What's with all this protesting now?
Speaker 1: And I'm curious. That's the other part is do you
Speaker 1: see anything in sort of the actions of the current
Speaker 1: administration is like sort of like the hallmarks of a
Speaker 1: truly like sort of weak regime trying to project as
Speaker 1: much power as possible, or how do you how do
Speaker 1: you look at their actions in terms of like what
Speaker 1: you know, how the structural integrity of their movement is right, yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: I mean what they're going for is like there's this
Speaker 2: thing at the end of chapter seven of nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: four that I think about a lot, where these or
Speaker 2: Well says, people fucking love to be wrong about all Well.
Speaker 2: I guess I should just start that, like the amount
Speaker 2: of people who like to cite all Well whilst also
Speaker 2: being the sort of people who all Well signed up
Speaker 2: to kill in the Spanish Civil War, like in.
Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty four was written about the Biden administration.
Speaker 2: Just want to be yah, yeah, yeah, mostly concerned vaccines
Speaker 2: and your kids not going to school, having to be
Speaker 2: in the same space as your kids and you hate
Speaker 2: them and they hate you, and yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what It's a book about divorced dads. In Wrotdown, he says,
Speaker 2: the party told you not to trust your eyes and ears.
Speaker 2: It was their final, most important command. And like that
Speaker 2: is where we are at this week, right, Like that is,
Speaker 2: but that is a ten year project, Donald Trump writing
Speaker 2: down at an escalator ten years ago, shit talking Mexican
Speaker 2: people eleven years ago, right, and they have gradually been
Speaker 2: stacking bricks since then to get to this place where
Speaker 2: they can, like you said earlier, right, they can post
Speaker 2: a video of a dude who is for some reason
Speaker 2: filming on his personal phone whilst doing copshit, who then
Speaker 2: shoots a lady three times in the face and be like, see,
Speaker 2: seems totally cool, because they're going to tell you it's
Speaker 2: totally cool, and you're going to watch it and believe them.
Speaker 2: And that is the totalitarian project, right, that they can
Speaker 2: intervene in between the external world and you drawing conclusions
Speaker 2: from the external world, and have you draw the conclusion
Speaker 2: that they want, right, Like, I there's that's scary, right
Speaker 2: if whatever percentage of people will buy that, and it's
Speaker 2: it's not just a problem. I guess with Republicans. There's
Speaker 2: like a sort of conspiratorial wing of Democrats who do
Speaker 2: the same thing. But it is overwhelmingly a problem right
Speaker 2: now because the government is using it to justify murdering people. Right,
Speaker 2: that is what we should be focused on. And that's
Speaker 2: pretty scary, man. Like, I mean, any state there resorts
Speaker 2: to violence, like deliberately does it because that is the
Speaker 2: nature of the state. It doesn't mean that they're threatened, right,
Speaker 2: like that, the state at its core is the entity
Speaker 2: that controls violence in a geographical area. Sure, sure it
Speaker 2: always has been, right, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: They aren't allowed to use violence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, they have the molopoly on legitimate violence, the
Speaker 2: verbarian definition of the state. Right, So I think them
Speaker 2: using violence is not an indication of weakness us. But
Speaker 2: like them having to resort to violence so much, it's
Speaker 2: not great, Like that's why they've gone so hard on
Speaker 2: this blitz, right they get they straight up murdered a
Speaker 2: white lady in the middle of the day, and like
Speaker 2: it probably does matter that it's a white lady in
Speaker 2: this country still, right, because a lot of suburban folks
Speaker 2: can see themselves in the late dragon the mini bad
Speaker 2: enough to dropping herself from school, dropping her kids at school.
Speaker 2: And if they can do that and walk away from
Speaker 2: it without consequences, that's pretty bad, right, It's pretty bad
Speaker 2: for any any any checks on power. So I guess
Speaker 2: we're going to find out in the next few days.
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, America the place where it's like, well, I
Speaker 1: have to see it happen to someone exactly like me before.
Speaker 3: Right now, Yeah, she don't look that much like me, actually, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: But do you see anything in the very beginnings of
Speaker 3: nascent US resistance that kind of you've seen elsewhere that
Speaker 3: you know, you've talked about kind of resistance witnessing some
Speaker 3: of these resistance groups like the gen Z Army, But
Speaker 3: like you know, I think a lot of people in
Speaker 3: the US feel helpless or like, well, what can we do?
Speaker 3: And you know there's also people who are protesting and resisting.
Speaker 3: But what just how do you how do you view
Speaker 3: like the state of American resistance?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. Like the reason I write the
Speaker 2: book like it's not it's not like to be clear
Speaker 2: like a guide book or explaining how to do things,
Speaker 2: But I hope it reminds people that really beautiful things
Speaker 2: can happen out of really dark times. And like again,
Speaker 2: if I go, if you go back to the early
Speaker 2: Arab spring, or perhaps the early protests in mem is
Speaker 2: a better example. Right in twenty twenty one, after the coup,
Speaker 2: first everyone went out with like funny signs like what
Speaker 2: I can remember one person had one that said say
Speaker 2: no to dictatorship, yes to relationship, and like stuff like.
Speaker 3: That, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: There was like a lot of a lot of like
Speaker 2: young adult sexual tension, like don't fuck my country, fuck
Speaker 2: my friend and has a little arrow and stuff. But
Speaker 2: they were doing that because they thought that if they
Speaker 2: were funny and peaceful, the world would be like, these
Speaker 2: guys are cool, we should help them. And the world
Speaker 2: did not do shit, right, And for months people adhere
Speaker 2: to the idea of peaceful protests because they genuinely thought
Speaker 2: it would help. And like people are hero are doing
Speaker 2: to peaceful protests because they generally believe that it will
Speaker 2: make a difference. And I hope it does.
Speaker 4: But like.
Speaker 2: One potential direction, it's a direction I guess at them,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a direction that US will go
Speaker 2: in necessarily, right, Like I think's quite likely that US
Speaker 2: will fragment in the way Meandmark has done because we
Speaker 2: don't have many of the factors that they had. But
Speaker 2: every one of these revolutionary movements starts like this, and
Speaker 2: some of them end up in open armed conflict. Right,
Speaker 2: Like the Arab's ring was the same. Right, it was
Speaker 2: thousands of people coming out into the street, like we've
Speaker 2: seen in Minneapolis. Right, Like, that is how these movements
Speaker 2: that result in change, or they all begin that way. Right.
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to be fighting against the government because it's hard,
Speaker 2: lots of people die, and so everything, I guess begins
Speaker 2: where we're at. Not everything, by any means ends where
Speaker 2: they are at. But right, I can see and I
Speaker 2: think so much of the young people in the m
Speaker 2: are especially, so much of their discourse on politics was
Speaker 2: informed by having the Internet, learning English and learning from
Speaker 2: people in the US. So they just assumed that the
Speaker 2: same tools would work there. Right, But you had a
Speaker 2: different to take calculus there.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: If they can kill one hundred and fifty people in
Speaker 2: a single day at a protest that they did in Myanmar, right,
Speaker 2: that's a whole other scale compared to what we're dealing
Speaker 2: with in the US. And it's understandable why things have
Speaker 2: gone in the direction of people fighting back that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting, like the tone of the signs.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're a little bit different this weekend, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's trying to be funny anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, La, definitely We've had some real, you know, funny
Speaker 1: sign I mean like every American city too, but this
Speaker 1: weekend felt it was truly about like like saying like
Speaker 1: Renane Nicole Good was murdered. Ice are murders a ball?
Speaker 1: Like just a lot of the it became less about
Speaker 1: who has the best SpongeBob meme, and it translated like
Speaker 1: not to say that every sign was like that, but
Speaker 1: when now that you say that that that was an
Speaker 1: observation I had from the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you saw that in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: as well, right, Like I didn't think anyone was trying
Speaker 2: to be funny about the murder of George No, No,
Speaker 2: people were fucking mad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the funniest things were just like insulting cops
Speaker 1: like that's yeah, oh, that was a creative insult to
Speaker 1: for a police officer. But that was like the extent
Speaker 1: rather than like, what's I quip about this unjustified police killing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and those skit skits where they like dressed up
Speaker 3: as cops and like kept like slipping on ice and
Speaker 3: like we're like slipping and then their gun would go
Speaker 3: off and.
Speaker 1: That was That's a real video jacket, like ice sky slipping.
Speaker 1: There's like a whole mixtape that I felt like, I've
Speaker 1: seen like five different videos on people just being like
Speaker 1: I'm going to run on this icy sidewalk. Okay, genius. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the vest doesn't protect your cocktics. Okay, just
Speaker 1: so you know, let's.
Speaker 2: Take a quick break.
Speaker 6: We'll be right back, and we're back, all right, real quick.
Speaker 3: Let's take a little sidebar over to the world of
Speaker 3: pop culture popular culture. The super Bowl is in sight.
Speaker 3: The NFL playoffs kicked off this weekend, and is that all?
Speaker 1: Anything good happened in the NFL play I saw it
Speaker 1: the Eagle game.
Speaker 3: Did the Eagles lose? The Eagles lost?
Speaker 1: I saw people celebrating.
Speaker 3: Champion Eagles lost. Josh Allen, husband of the actress from
Speaker 3: Singers whose name is Escaping Me, had a bit had
Speaker 3: a big game. Big wait second win, just wait?
Speaker 1: What the state? What singers?
Speaker 3: The Sinners singers? Yeah, Hailey Steinfeld, Hailey Steinfeld's husband.
Speaker 1: Oh, Hailey, ste Wow, bro, I don't know anything about anything,
Speaker 1: Okay anyway, so they're okay.
Speaker 3: So the big football weekend. Big weekend for those of
Speaker 3: us who can't wait to see what turning point USA
Speaker 3: has cooked up the Super Bowl show.
Speaker 1: Ever since Bad Bunny, one of the most listened to
Speaker 1: artists on the planet, was announced at the halftime show, obviously,
Speaker 1: the MAGA freakouts began because A they don't know that
Speaker 1: Puerto Ricans are American and b that doesn't matter because
Speaker 1: they're racist.
Speaker 3: But and that people don't actually listen to music. Man,
Speaker 3: come on, that's that's inflated. It's all bots, dude, that's bots, dude.
Speaker 1: There's not even a billion people to listen to Bad
Speaker 1: Buddy that many times.
Speaker 3: Man, that's right.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, countries outside the West grossly infliation.
Speaker 3: Do you see the new conspiracy theory that the world
Speaker 3: population is vastly overstated and that countries from outside the
Speaker 3: US are just inflating their numbers to get aid from
Speaker 3: the sake. Yeah, this one. I feel like this one's
Speaker 3: going to be real powerful. I feel like people, oh,
Speaker 3: they're gonna love this one. That we're actually like that,
Speaker 3: there's like only like a couple thousand people.
Speaker 1: All right, So here's my thing. What's the most people
Speaker 1: you've ever seen in one place at once? Maybe what
Speaker 1: sixty thousand at the Rose Bowl? But yeah, so true
Speaker 1: turning point in true reactionary fashion. Right at the top
Speaker 1: after the bad Buddy thing was like, what an American
Speaker 1: are artist who's really popular for a global sporting event
Speaker 1: is doing the halftime show? Well, I think we will
Speaker 1: announce ourselves of the true keepers of white American football
Speaker 1: halftime show and said that they would have their own
Speaker 1: competing halftime show that will stun audiences with how white
Speaker 1: and boring it is. And like you said, Jack, we're
Speaker 1: getting closer to the game and many are asking in
Speaker 1: the press, Hey, toilet paper USA, what's the deal with
Speaker 1: your shit? Dude? Are you guys like, who's fucking performing?
Speaker 1: So a spokesperson confirmed a few things for us to TMZ.
Speaker 3: Okay, the show is death. The show is.
Speaker 1: Definitely happening, sweet, but you'll have to tune in to
Speaker 1: find out who's performing.
Speaker 3: Oh really okay.
Speaker 1: And then they were asked, do you even have performers booked?
Speaker 1: This is the turning point? Spokesperson Oh, there's performers booked,
Speaker 1: but we can't reveal who they are or even what
Speaker 1: kind of performer they are.
Speaker 2: Happy to ventriloquist. I do like they're taking a different direction.
Speaker 3: I think they might go like ventriloquist, like, yeah, there's
Speaker 3: gonna be some like NBA halftime show type people, you know,
Speaker 3: like the like spinning a plate on a stick and
Speaker 3: like people who ride multiple unicycles. You know, well that
Speaker 3: thing keeps getting bigger. This guy's incredible.
Speaker 1: Where will the show be taking place? The answer yes,
Speaker 1: mm hmmm, oh okay, will it be airing live? Or
Speaker 1: their answer, uh huh yeah, yeah sure. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of tvvs UH to to actually get here. I do
Speaker 1: wonder if Nicki Minaj just fully throws herself into the
Speaker 1: Maga mount Doom fires and gets it over with, because
Speaker 1: she was on stage at a turning point event and
Speaker 1: it's clearly been like, look, I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: read anything about my husband or any but I might
Speaker 1: need a pardon. So I'm gonna start, you know, sipping
Speaker 1: the Maga kool aid with everybody. She's I think the
Speaker 1: only person that comes close to being quote unquote considered
Speaker 1: like considered quote unquote mainstream who has actually even been
Speaker 1: to a turning point event or although quote unquote popular
Speaker 1: right right, and even now, I mean so many fans
Speaker 1: have been like, geez, y'all, we were trying to ride
Speaker 1: with you through all this stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what has the response been to that appearance? Like,
Speaker 3: because they know she has famously like die hard fans,
Speaker 3: but yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people were like, this, this whole
Speaker 1: thing's become a joke. Makes sense whatever I was done
Speaker 1: with her after, you know, just all the other shit
Speaker 1: that she's been doing the last couple of years. Other
Speaker 1: people are just kind of like maybe not talking about it.
Speaker 1: But most of the response from like the you know,
Speaker 1: black audience have been like okay, and you can go
Speaker 1: sit all the way the fuck down over there with them, goodbye.
Speaker 1: But the other it does feel like this would be
Speaker 1: ripe for some AI company to be like, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I can get fucking Elvis to perform at
Speaker 1: the show, just so you know, I can get Elvis,
Speaker 1: I can get fucking Johnny Cash, and I can get
Speaker 1: Francis Scott Key to do that. One verse of The
Speaker 1: Star Spangled Banner where they talk about the slavery and stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, well, yeah, I mean Johnny Cash and Elvis,
Speaker 3: They're still gonna need to pay some money, Like they're
Speaker 3: gonna write some budget those people have. I'm wondering, like
Speaker 3: how far back they're gonna have to go to get
Speaker 3: like some public Maybe it is Francis Scott Key, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and Andrew Jackson gives a speech about the trailer tears.
Speaker 1: Or something fucked up ship and they're like, and this
Speaker 1: is entertainment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Al Jolson.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, God, I honestly don't It's just so
Speaker 1: hard to picture what this is gonna be and how
Speaker 1: they could claim this as any kind of like win
Speaker 1: for them, but they will obviously no matter what state
Speaker 1: the show is in. But wow, I can't.
Speaker 3: Wait, truly can't wait to see after the fact, like
Speaker 3: what what they've put out there, because it's as we've seen,
Speaker 3: like as they try and take over even things like
Speaker 3: the Pentagon Press Corps, and they're just like, yeah, those
Speaker 3: those are now influencers. There's just a bunch of influencers.
Speaker 3: It like it, it looks like it. It looks like
Speaker 3: a high school journalism class out there, you know, not
Speaker 3: not the age of the people, but just like the
Speaker 3: type of questions and the level of professionalism, So like,
Speaker 3: what are we going to see? I mean, the one
Speaker 3: thing that we've seen they're able to do is buy
Speaker 3: a lot of fireworks. That seems to be their ones
Speaker 3: their one strength. So maybe maybe it's going to be
Speaker 3: just like a lot of fireworks and you can't really
Speaker 3: tell who's up there.
Speaker 1: It's Eric Kirk, Erica Kirk setting off a pile of
Speaker 1: fireworks and a fucking parking lot in Tucson.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's like San Diego did that one time, you know,
Speaker 2: set them all off at once, like yeah, giant explosion.
Speaker 1: Catastrophic explosion. Well, look, don't tune in because I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it once it happens.
Speaker 3: Let us no need whatsoever. I certainly won't be watching
Speaker 3: it live, but I can't wait to see how it
Speaker 3: goes for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, firefest all over again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because there is there. They had the poster that
Speaker 3: was like kid Rock.
Speaker 2: Is another one. Yeah, yeah he could be there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that was the like, is he capable of doing
Speaker 2: a live show? Kid Rock? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean I don't think I wouldn't recommend it as
Speaker 3: he is doctor, but as somebody who thinks he sucks.
Speaker 3: I think you should give it a go.
Speaker 2: You know, you.
Speaker 1: Know how like you look at old pictures of like
Speaker 1: the dust Bowl or the Depression, and it'll look like
Speaker 1: to us as like a fifty eight year old man,
Speaker 1: like this guy is thirty five, yes, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And then like over time, you like look
Speaker 1: people as look at now, they're like, damn our thirty
Speaker 1: five year ols look like babies now and shit like
Speaker 1: that kid Rock for being fifty four looks like a
Speaker 1: dust bowl ear of fifty four year old dust. Like
Speaker 1: he's maintained that like stress and lack of proper health
Speaker 1: and I'm sure drinking beer and cigarettes and all that
Speaker 1: has uh yeah, I'm like when I look at him,
Speaker 1: yeah he's fifty four, and I'm like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah you look yeah, you look like dried up dog
Speaker 1: shit yep there yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: So he's see but everything above the hat band he
Speaker 3: looks super young yeh. Never you know what I mean
Speaker 3: Above his hat band, which is he hasn't taken his
Speaker 3: hat off. It's been crafted onto his head. Everything up there,
Speaker 3: he looks like a newborn baby. He looks like he
Speaker 3: looks like one of the pre cogs, Like he's been
Speaker 3: bathing in a milk bath for the.
Speaker 1: Past you know he's got Yeah, he's doing the Bret
Speaker 1: Michaels thing where it's like, bro, the hair is attached
Speaker 1: to the hat just so you know, so this thing
Speaker 1: is not coming. I don't know if you've seen a picture.
Speaker 3: Of Lega seeing hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you see me in a backwards trucker hut
Speaker 1: the ship, you're going to look in there. It looks
Speaker 1: like a field that is lying fallow.
Speaker 3: Well, James, such a pleasure having you on the daily side. Guys,
Speaker 3: where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all
Speaker 3: that good stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I can find me on It could happen here.
Speaker 2: It's the Cool Zone podcast. You can find it anywhere.
Speaker 2: Good podcast given away for free. We also have a
Speaker 2: bunch of different feets. If you just want to listen
Speaker 2: to our immigration stuff, you can find that. If you
Speaker 2: want to listen to stuff about Meanma, you can find that.
Speaker 2: If you want to listen to other things that we've covered,
Speaker 2: you can find those all on the Cool Zone media page.
Speaker 2: If they want to read my book, they can pre
Speaker 2: order it from akpress dot org. It's called against the state,
Speaker 2: and I sometimes go on social media. I'm trying not
Speaker 2: to can make it makes me so angry, but you
Speaker 2: can search my name.
Speaker 1: It's designed to do that. Actually, James know.
Speaker 2: That so many many people are saying it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I will occasionally need tweet or skeep or there's a bus.
Speaker 1: Whatever you need to do.
Speaker 2: I do ye. I want to yeat my telephone into
Speaker 2: the sign every time they go on those websites.
Speaker 3: While listening to Is there a work of media that
Speaker 3: you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Uh, there are a couple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Recently I did a podcast It's not my podcast series,
Speaker 2: just so unclear. I did a podcast series about the
Speaker 2: people I met in the Daddi and Gap a year
Speaker 2: ago and like where they are now, where they're at.
Speaker 2: And in that series, I talked about a Woody Guthrie
Speaker 2: song he wrote as a poem about these people who
Speaker 2: were killed in the lost Gattospanion Canyon plane crash. You're
Speaker 2: familiar with that, mm hmm. Forty eight people died just
Speaker 2: outside of I think outside of Asalia there up in
Speaker 2: sort of central California in the valley, and the press
Speaker 2: only named the immigration officer the pilot, the flight assistant,
Speaker 2: essentially only the white folks in the crew, right two,
Speaker 2: pilot's flight assistant, immigration officer, and when you got three
Speaker 2: years or something radio and he's like, damn, it's pretty
Speaker 2: fucked up. All those other people died. You didn't say
Speaker 2: shit about them. So he wrote a song about it,
Speaker 2: and thos people have covered the song. So Johnny Cash
Speaker 2: covered it actually, so maybe, oh.
Speaker 1: Well, he's not going to be doing Turning Point USA. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I just heard about Johnny Cash. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's good for this show, sir.
Speaker 3: He's gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I recently been watching some videos of that,
Speaker 2: and it makes me happy to think that there was
Speaker 2: a point when even like, yeah, Johnny Cash was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: it's pretty fucked up how we treat those people. We
Speaker 2: shouldn't do that to migrants. It's wrong. All these people
Speaker 2: here ender the Bracero program, right, So they were like
Speaker 2: quote unquote guest workers, and they were deported home at
Speaker 2: the time that the plane crashed, and yeah, they weren't
Speaker 2: even mentioned. It wasn't until like two years ago that
Speaker 2: somebody built a memorial for them where the plane crashed
Speaker 2: and this happened in nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 1: Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've been enjoying listening to people singing what
Speaker 2: do you go? Three songs? What do you gu three?
Speaker 2: Chaeremany there you go?
Speaker 3: I listened to you all right, miles Where can people
Speaker 3: find you? As there a workI media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. Catch the
Speaker 1: new footy podcast Ain't It Footy? Where I talk about
Speaker 1: the English Premier League, the FA Cup all kinds of shit.
Speaker 1: Latest episode with Jamel Johnson and Chris Martin. You get
Speaker 1: two Americans and a brit talking that shit about our
Speaker 1: favorite international sport. Now a couple works. I like, Yes,
Speaker 1: there's one from at lol on weed. He's got our
Speaker 1: social posted just a quote, just a screencap of the
Speaker 1: subreddit are no stupid questions and it says, quote if
Speaker 1: the wealthy can buy up all the computer memory and
Speaker 1: drive prices through the roof, what's stopping them from doing
Speaker 1: the same thing with stuff people actually need to survive?
Speaker 1: And the account of their quote more quote posts at
Speaker 1: half of the top. You reply, I start with brother,
Speaker 1: my friend, and homie, and then one more I like
Speaker 1: is from obviously a lot of people saw the great
Speaker 1: slip and fall of that ice agent in Minnesota who
Speaker 1: really flanded on his key Star at digitalgeist dot Com
Speaker 1: on Blue Sky posted that photo with this old screencap
Speaker 1: of a tweet from twenty fourteen from at Mike Fossey.
Speaker 3: It said, check this shit out, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Parenthetical I slide one foot out from under me and
Speaker 1: fall on my ass. It's not clear what kind of
Speaker 1: move I was trying to do along with it. Check
Speaker 1: this shit out, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Check this shit.
Speaker 1: The way he had to like scurry his little ass
Speaker 1: back into that car, it must have been half concussed
Speaker 1: or something he did not.
Speaker 2: He must be in pain. Yeah, I like.
Speaker 3: To tweet from Mark on Twitter at Ranch, who said,
Speaker 3: if you walk up to the counter at Trader Joe's
Speaker 3: without any grocery items, they'll have no choice but to
Speaker 3: compliment your body. Hey nice.
Speaker 1: Arms, arms, Yeah, grands.
Speaker 3: You can find me on Twitter at jack under Score
Speaker 3: of Brian on Blue Sky at jack ob the Number one.
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Speaker 3: the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it,
Speaker 3: and they're at the bottom you will find the footnote,
Speaker 3: which is where we link off the information that we
Speaker 3: talked about in today's episode. We also link off to
Speaker 3: a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is
Speaker 3: there a song that you think that people might enjoy?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, this is a track from Temporary Blessings, which
Speaker 1: is like an instrumental band from Australia, because all the
Speaker 1: cool instrumental bands are on like Melbourn. Now this track
Speaker 1: is called Goblin Mode. But this band's cool. I just
Speaker 1: like it, Like just a group of musicians are like man,
Speaker 1: I love like Anny O Morecone's like compositions and like
Speaker 1: that's kind of like vibe the instrumental music they used
Speaker 1: to be in like seventies sixties film. Why don't we
Speaker 1: make a band that does that? That's kind of like
Speaker 1: what this band does. So Temporary Blessings with Goblin Mode
Speaker 1: feels very much like something your favorite hip hop producer
Speaker 1: would probably sample.
Speaker 3: But they're making it now, so Goblin Vega go all right.
Speaker 3: We will link off to that in the foot note
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