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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing well. How are you guys looking good?

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Speaker 1: Look at look at the hair getting longer you and

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Speaker 2: Baby, I'm just not getting a hair cut, and it's sad.

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Speaker 2: It's done Korea very nicely by itself.

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Speaker 1: God damn, bro. I felt like your your hair was

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Speaker 1: like way shorter last your hair you got, you got

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Speaker 1: wonderful hair manles do what those fuckles do?

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Speaker 2: I work on it once a year, whether I need

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when's your annual haircut?

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Speaker 2: Right right before it gets hot, you know, like April May,

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Speaker 2: and then you're good through the summer, and then it

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Speaker 2: keeps you warm through the winter and.

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Speaker 3: Then oh yeah, so we got a couple of months left.

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Speaker 3: I gotta be looking like fucking Hosier out here, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. I tie it up.

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Speaker 2: You know, once you get to a point you gotta

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Speaker 2: you gotta tie it up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're right right on the cusp of having to

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Speaker 2: do a man done right now.

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Speaker 3: Don't do it, man, let those fluss let it.

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Speaker 2: I like to let it ride as long asidea get

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Speaker 2: when you're running.

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Speaker 1: It feels like a yeah, put a couple of beets

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Speaker 1: in there, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, yees,

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Speaker 1: you got a yeah, get a problematic hair braid and

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Speaker 1: that's gonna say, Yeah, you're doing it all Duane's Rosta colors.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I was kind of kicking that up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Red is for the blood. Black is for the people

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Speaker 1: you're like, hold on, hold on, Pan African.

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Speaker 3: Ones who did them, the ones who did the braid

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Speaker 3: for me.

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Speaker 1: The one who did the braid for I.

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Speaker 3: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season four to twenty one,

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Speaker 3: Episode two.

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Speaker 1: Of Dalis I guys.

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Speaker 3: It's a production of by Heart Radio. It's a podcast

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Speaker 3: where we take a deep dive in to America's shared

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Speaker 3: consciousness through the day's news. We also have a weekly

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Speaker 3: history version where we look at a different icon. We've

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Speaker 3: done Miss Piggy with Jamie Loftus, Arnold Schwartzenegger with Gabriis,

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Speaker 3: and we just did Elvis Presley with one Chris Crofton

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Speaker 3: That dropped yesterday. Go check that out.

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Speaker 1: Chris said me, so many videos after we recorded that

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Speaker 1: Elvis videos, I didn't get to it. This is this

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Speaker 1: other Memphis Mafia video. Dude, you got us. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: they are they are wild true true, Like I was like,

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Speaker 1: these people are mental.

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Speaker 3: The karate displays by Elvis or some of those videos

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Speaker 3: that I've ever seen of anyone, it's it's truly Steven

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Speaker 3: Segal esque, where like there's people like throwing punches into

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Speaker 3: his midsection but like pulling the like visibly pulling the punches,

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Speaker 3: and Elvis is just acting like he's just standing there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: or as I say motto in Japanese, I really wish

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Speaker 3: he had just like gotten into a real fight at

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Speaker 3: one point and just had his whole his whole world rocked.

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Speaker 1: I mean, bro, when you go, when you reach the

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Speaker 1: I'm doing like a like displays a physical power. But

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Speaker 1: everyone is a paid actor and helped me feel good

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Speaker 1: about yourself. You're cooked, You're wat you are the bad

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Speaker 1: guy now.

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Speaker 3: But out Hey, but you can look for the episodes

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Speaker 3: on Monday or go back through there Evergreen.

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Speaker 1: That that one's out.

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Speaker 3: That one's out though that one is out. Currently it's Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: January thirteenth.

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Speaker 1: Tuesday, it's National Rubber Ducky Day and also Korean American Day.

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Speaker 1: Hey in the area, Hey, shout out everybody from everywhere

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Speaker 1: in this place called hell. But however, Korean Americans, it's

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Speaker 1: your day today.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations to my Korean American friends. Yeah, my name is

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Speaker 3: Jack O'Brien AKA. Look that that guy he's rolling down

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Speaker 3: that hill just trying to get some food. Yeah, that

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Speaker 3: guy is Jay Leno. That one courtesy of First Blood

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Speaker 3: five twenty two, Little Coldplay Yellow jay Leno. We how

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Speaker 3: Leno showed up ass fully beat in public and his

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Speaker 3: excuse was that he tried to go to a restaurant

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Speaker 3: like just at every trip, he just like tumbled and

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Speaker 3: into it, the black Eye cult or whatever that's called.

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Speaker 3: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co

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Speaker 3: host mister Miles Gray, Miles.

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Speaker 1: Ray, Hey, the show gun with no Gun, the Lord

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Speaker 1: of Lankersham, just you know, just hanging out doing my thing.

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Speaker 1: I wish I had another AKA, but in the existential

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Speaker 1: that a picture of Jesus is actually called Jesse. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jesse and Jesse's everywhere. But yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Guess the nuns. Nuns would be Jesse's girls, Mary Magdalen,

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Speaker 1: You never know, you never know, depends on depends on

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Speaker 3: And anybody wearing one of those promise rings, you know,

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Speaker 3: Jesse's Girl.

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Speaker 1: Oh you want to Jesse's girl. He starts saying that

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Speaker 3: Miles were thrilled to be joined in our third seat

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Speaker 3: by a journalist and historian from Kool Zone Media who

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Speaker 3: you know from his reporting on it could have happened here.

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Speaker 3: He's reported for Esquire and that Geo, The Nation Slate,

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Speaker 3: among many others, and his new book is now available

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Speaker 3: for pre order. It's called Against the State. Anarchists and

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Speaker 3: Comrades at Warren Spamimar and Rajava. Please welcome James st. James.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that was a great introt, like, I prey feel

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Speaker 2: better about myself now.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, you're I mean, look, the reputation precedes.

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Speaker 3: You, James. What a weird subject to cover in this

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Speaker 3: American moment. Yeah, no, I want to be.

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Speaker 2: I pitched his book in like twenty twenty two, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: here we are, right, yeah, nearly four years later.

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Speaker 3: But yeahsing buzz marketing by the Trouble administration. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 3: gyal marketing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you got it in at DHS or something.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not moist pity. I have not interacted with DHS

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they love to do that.

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Speaker 3: They do.

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Speaker 1: It's really out right.

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Speaker 3: Now, Yeah about chemistry, you know.

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Speaker 2: Show vapors, smokes, particulates.

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Speaker 3: But I mean I have to assume that they're recruiting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they are. I think that they're recruiting

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Speaker 1: Like amateur geneticists. Yeah, that's probably pretty hot right into

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Speaker 3: Well, James, we're thrilled to have you. We're going to

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Speaker 3: get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,

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Speaker 3: talk about the the Trump administrations continued attempt at I

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Speaker 3: NFL playoffs kicked off over the weekend, which to me

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Speaker 3: USA halftime Show. Yeah, so we we're going to see

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this. First of all, I didn't

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Speaker 2: looked at some ship I searched. I've been buying some

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Speaker 1: No wonder, no wonder.

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Speaker 5: You're on the love right, Yeah, you want to keep

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Speaker 5: hold on, what is a niche tomato seed?

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Speaker 2: To begin, You've got your like mainstream tomatoes, right, we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you take it to the ones. I know, I

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Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, when I was a lot younger, I worked

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Speaker 2: you got our ass on tomato. It's much better that one.

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Speaker 2: So we've had a few l's over the years.

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Speaker 1: It's we're trying to condense all of ours into a

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Speaker 2: Under the umbrella. Yeah, but then you're more niche types, right,

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Speaker 2: Like this one I like called orange Strawberry. I've been

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Speaker 3: Not actually, James, I.

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Speaker 1: Was going to say, yeah, those are fruits.

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Speaker 2: That is Tomorrow is a fruit, right ya.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you got me there. So are you just

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Speaker 3: talking about oranges and strong think of them as tomatoes?

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people didn't have frames of

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Speaker 2: their friend. Paul Robison is the other tomato I've been

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Speaker 2: been ordering Paul, Yeah, like the guy like they just

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Speaker 2: went to went to the Spanish Civil War, the poet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, and it's he has a tomato named after him.

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Speaker 1: Like what that's what I say, I say, not that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's like one of those bird feeders

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Speaker 3: They just attract birds man.

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Speaker 2: not really possible. Cheese by the nature of it, you know,

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Speaker 3: Cheese plants have all failed. YEA sad, no matter what

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Speaker 1: I take a baby, I take it out of their

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Speaker 3: What is something that you think is underrated?

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Speaker 2: Underrated? I was thinking about this. I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, sure, sure, I'm actually.

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Speaker 2: A high quality sock. Appreciate it. Last year I received

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Speaker 2: a full like right same size, right right size form

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Speaker 2: really I love use them all the time. You didn't

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Speaker 1: I mean you. I have to say, if I was

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Speaker 1: their journalistic career. Wait, what, so, what's like? What what

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 1: If you need a good sock, it's not where we're

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Speaker 1: talking marino wool. It's had to be woolf Okay, So okay,

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Speaker 1: it's got to be wool, or we're not talking to

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Speaker 1: James about socks. Okay, Yeah, remember what's okay, what's the next.

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Speaker 2: Marino wool and our pack a wool both pretty good. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so these are like wolves again. Wolf socks are nice

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Speaker 2: because they keep they say warm. When they're wet, they

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Speaker 2: get less funky, they get less smelly, and then they

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Speaker 2: gotta they gotta fit right right there. Do you want

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Speaker 2: me to name brands?

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Speaker 3: We don't know?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if paying you, you know what I mean. I'm

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Speaker 1: just need to know. I guess that was a big

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Speaker 1: thing is because I always know people who are like, Bro,

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Speaker 1: you gotta wear wool socks, like all the people you're

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Speaker 1: if not wearing wolf socks?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Man, And then you've got to get the ones with

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Speaker 2: You can run eight hundred miles in them. They wear out,

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Speaker 2: you send them back, they send you new socks. Oh my,

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Speaker 2: it's an investment.

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Speaker 1: Though, man. I have Yeah, the way the way I walk,

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they get you got to get invest in

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Speaker 2: some lifetime warranty socks and you'll be sucking forever.

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Speaker 1: Well, the gas station I buy him at. The guys

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Speaker 1: But whatever, I will invest the wool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so wolf socks even even like when you're playing sports.

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Speaker 2: Woolf socks. Yeah, yeah, like thin ones, you know when

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Speaker 2: I'm talking like thick, hairy, fluffy ones.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, especially when I'm playing sports.

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Speaker 2: Like I've run some ultramarathons, and it's nice because you're

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Speaker 2: going to go through a river at one point or other, right,

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Speaker 2: and then you you want the sock that doesn't sort

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Speaker 2: of oh yeah, you get get funky, get old, get

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Speaker 2: your feet cold. And I feel like Will does much

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Speaker 2: better with that.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I am not going to be going through a river,

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Speaker 3: by the way. You may be, but I will not

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Speaker 3: be running America. I come upon a river, you're like,

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Speaker 3: oh no, at the end of the America finish line,

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Speaker 1: Yeah about this river, dude.

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Speaker 2: And the river is a gift man. I remember I

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I felt great after that, sat there for a while.

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Speaker 2: It's wonderful thing. Embrace the river.

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Speaker 1: Bathing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I fell into one in Iceland that was not

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Speaker 2: not an enjoyable experience. That was very cold.

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Speaker 3: Are you a cold plunged person? Do you know?

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Speaker 2: I don't do any of that. I mean not consciously.

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Speaker 2: I go in the sea and uh in San Diego,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're not doing the thing of like I

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Speaker 1: gotta get into this body of ice water. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not whim hoffing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're not.

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Speaker 3: And how on the socks that go thick to thin?

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Speaker 3: Is the thinnest sock the equivalent of those little pantyhose

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Speaker 3: things that they put over your feet when you're trying

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Speaker 2: It's pretty thin. Yeah. Maybe maybe maybe a smudge, maybe

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Speaker 2: a smug stick of it that I can't see through it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't use it as a mask to rob

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Speaker 1: a b No, do an immigration rate whatever you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Or socks not for ice?

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Speaker 3: What are something you think is overrated?

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Speaker 2: The song fairy Tale of New York Okay Okay by

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Speaker 2: the Pogues. I love the Pokes, right. I think Shane

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Speaker 2: McGowan's generational talent to objection to that song right, has

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Speaker 1: It does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't need either of those. Rainy Night and

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Speaker 2: you know that one?

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Speaker 1: What is it? I don't know. I don't know either

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Speaker 2: You haven't heard fairy Tale in New.

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Speaker 3: York let me see as big as bars. They got rivers,

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Speaker 3: that's all I got.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know this.

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Speaker 2: I don't know this really well. Okay, well you've got

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Speaker 2: to fund YouTube half hour after we're done. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what's Shane McGowan singing it? Because his ability to turn

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Speaker 2: up absolutely think of a broadcast word. He's off his face,

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Speaker 2: he's drunk, ship fist. Yeah, rat asked? Is the word

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Speaker 2: I was going to use? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is there is there a specific performance I should watch

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Speaker 2: Most of them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? If you had asked the opposite question, is there

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Speaker 3: is already together?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Okay, is that was that?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: The that is that kind of the legend of this

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Speaker 1: heard that name of the band, but I don't. I'm

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Speaker 2: Is, like Irish folk punk. I would say, no, they're great.

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Speaker 2: They have some really great songs. I think they've done

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Speaker 2: good things and like documenting Irish folk music and I

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Speaker 2: and yeah, they're they're they're a good band. I like

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Speaker 2: the Pokes a lot. Everyone should listen to the Pogues.

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Speaker 2: They haven't, but that song they feel like it's like

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Speaker 2: how everyone likes Rock the Casma, but it's the worst

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Speaker 2: clash song right right, right right, Okay, it's a similar

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Speaker 2: similar feeling I have.

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Speaker 1: I see, I see, you got it.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break while

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Speaker 3: Miles watches a bunch of Pogues videos and uh, we'll

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Speaker 3: be right back, and we're back, We're back and yeah,

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Speaker 3: so this weekend was a weird mix of we talked

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Speaker 3: check and mate, we got the video from the shooter's perspective,

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Speaker 3: and I think you're gonna see some ship here that's

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Speaker 3: gonna change your mind, And it was like worse than

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Speaker 3: the other angle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it it's one of my colleagues mentioned this

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Speaker 2: when we were talking about it, like I'll work chat

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Speaker 2: it is start of think that your lawyer would fight

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Speaker 2: to keep out of disclosure in court, right, and just

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Speaker 2: they just tweeted it. Let's put out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, not a lot of thought going into it.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's also interesting too, Like it I

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Speaker 1: was saying yesterday's episode that on some level maybe they

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Speaker 1: think that would help justify it to their base, which

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Speaker 1: is like, well, there's at least you got this angle

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Speaker 1: of the wife saying something back to the ice officer,

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Speaker 1: which in their mind because that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: jumped onto that details like why she getting out of

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Speaker 1: the car trying to confront the ice officer and like

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Speaker 1: what do they think is going to happen? So in

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Speaker 1: some way, I think they were trying to take it

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Speaker 1: from the headline, which is like this mother who was

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Speaker 1: killed to like someone who was protesting ice who was

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Speaker 1: also a mother who was killed, to try and give

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Speaker 1: people just sort of like that weird logical, you know,

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Speaker 1: bit of something that like MAGA needs to completely contort

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Speaker 1: their brains and be like, that's not what I saw. Actually,

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Speaker 1: it's this other thing now, and that's okay now, and

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Speaker 1: I don't have to talk about it because it makes

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Speaker 1: whatever uncomfortable or maybe not.

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Speaker 3: Backtalk is a capital offense, it was kind of the implication. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And so Christynome attempted to go on CNN and then

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Speaker 3: Jake Tapper was just like, so, if anybody gives any

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Speaker 3: sort of pushback at all to the Homeland Security they

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Speaker 3: should be killed. She's like, yes, absolutely, and then he

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Speaker 3: was like, here's the video of January sixth. Yeah, how

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Speaker 3: are we making sense of that? And she didn't really

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Speaker 3: she didn't really know what to say to that. No

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Speaker 3: great answer.

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Speaker 1: No, So here's a Tapper just playing the you know,

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Speaker 1: all the body cam footage we've seen from January sixth

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Speaker 1: and just sort of narrating to be like, okay, so

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Speaker 1: interfering with law enforcement is a capital offense, and how

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Speaker 1: about this plea attack?

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Speaker 7: By this standard, would any of those officers being justified

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Speaker 7: and shooting and killing the people causing them physical harm?

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Speaker 8: Every single situation is going to rely on the situation

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Speaker 8: those officers are on. But they know that when people

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Speaker 8: are putting hands on them, when they are using weapons

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Speaker 8: against them, when they are physically harming them, that they

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Speaker 8: have the authority to arrest those individuals, every single one

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Speaker 8: of those less and make sure that they're getting justice

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Speaker 8: for their actions going forward rosident.

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Speaker 7: Trump pardoned every single one of those and every.

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Speaker 8: Single one of these investigations comes in the full context

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Speaker 8: of the situation on the ground, and that's.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's just again it becomes a bunch of words

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Speaker 1: the whole time. Yeah, well, it's all in the context

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Speaker 1: of the the context of people beating them with we

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Speaker 1: just said beating with weapons, and we just saw a

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Speaker 1: clip of that, smushing them indoors, punching them using bear sproll.

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Speaker 1: I thought she was gonna say, do these people be

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Speaker 1: deserved the arrested? I said, every single one of them,

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Speaker 1: every single one of them. See, when every single one

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Speaker 1: of these situations is a case by case thing, which again,

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Speaker 1: this is just I'd imagine the hallmark of any authoritarian

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Speaker 1: regime to be like, no, what you're seeing is not

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Speaker 1: what you're seeing, and in fact, everything we do is justified,

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Speaker 1: and if you disagree with me, you you are actually

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Speaker 1: the bad one. Yeah, there was more like it goes

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Speaker 1: on to where he keeps insisting, like, you know, like

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Speaker 1: this guy, the person who this ICE agent who shot

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Speaker 1: her was he's doing a defense. We know that he

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Speaker 1: was justified in doing it. And Jake Tapper pretty quickly

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Speaker 1: is like, I feel like you just there's no investigation.

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Speaker 1: We still don't know what's going on in the investigation.

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Speaker 1: You've clearly made up your mind. Is that is that

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Speaker 1: a benefit or is that a disservice to this ICE

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Speaker 1: agent that you so clearly care so much about. And

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Speaker 1: it's interesting because here she does like another word salad

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Speaker 1: thing that like causes Jake Tapper to just audibly groan

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Speaker 1: because again it's another non answer. It's just a bunch

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Speaker 1: of what about isms and deflections.

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Speaker 3: I think obfuscation is his kink, and I think he's

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Speaker 3: actually coming a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But go, oh, well, well, do you let your be

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Speaker 1: the judge? Yeah, yours to say through.

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Speaker 7: I'm wondering if you're not doing a disservice to the

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Speaker 7: officer by reaching a conclusion before the investigation.

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Speaker 8: Things heard you say once, what a disservice it's done

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Speaker 8: for may Or Fry to get up and to Ice

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Speaker 8: to get the f out of his city. AOC to

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Speaker 8: stand up before she had any of the facts and

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Speaker 8: call this officer a murderer. Your individuals, well call them out, Jake,

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Speaker 8: spend as much time calling them out. I have provided

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Speaker 8: you with facts and information to back up every single

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Speaker 8: word that we have said and every single part of

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Speaker 8: this investigation. And if you don't like it, that's fine,

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Speaker 8: but we're going to continue to do the right thing

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Speaker 8: to keep the American people safe.

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Speaker 3: And that was not us coming up that during that answer,

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Speaker 3: that was Jake.

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Speaker 1: That was Jake groaning, because again, it's just like a

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Speaker 1: stone wall. You're talking about something this consequential, and it's

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Speaker 1: just you get just fucking nonsense, just chest passed right

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Speaker 1: back to you. And yeah, it doesn't bode well too.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 1: Then you then have Tom Homan, who's the you know,

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Speaker 1: borders are He also had to go on the Sunday

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Speaker 1: Shows two to do their whole like presentation to mainstream

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Speaker 1: media about why this is okay. Christian Welker pretty much

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Speaker 1: point blank was like, look the way you're talking, the

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Speaker 1: way Christy Nome's talking, she called good a domestic terrorist.

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Speaker 1: Can we just define what that is? Are you saying

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Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't like ICE or is protesting and this

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Speaker 1: is you get this very eloquent answer back from Tom Homan.

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Speaker 2: Terrorist.

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Speaker 4: Just to be clear, is anyone who protests ICE a

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Speaker 4: domestic terrorist in the eyes of the administration. I can't

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Speaker 4: say that. You know, it's a case by case basis.

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Speaker 4: But you know, if you look up definition of terrorism,

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Speaker 4: is there violence? Is there a threat of violence based

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Speaker 4: on an ideology that wants to change the way the

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Speaker 4: government does what we do? Look on the definition terrorism.

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Speaker 6: With Secretary Nome correct to label her a domestic terrorist.

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Speaker 2: Mister Homan, look, we don't.

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Speaker 4: Know what I don't know. If Secretary Nome knows what

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Speaker 4: I know, I can tell you is what they did.

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Speaker 4: It's all legal. And if you look up this definition

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Speaker 4: of terrorism.

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Speaker 1: Here he goes goes right back to it very narrowly. If

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Speaker 1: you again, I mean like that that term terrorism is

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Speaker 1: made to sort of used by the States to describe

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Speaker 1: people that are like against me not And but again

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Speaker 1: in American culture, it's like that means the boogey man

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Speaker 1: al Qaeda nine to eleven, And you're one of these people.

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Speaker 1: Now because what you're just again purely off the definition

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Speaker 1: of like they are against what we're doing and trying

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Speaker 1: to change.

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Speaker 9: The put like through a political ideology. Therefore you're allowed

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Speaker 9: to do that. Yeah, in America, you're allowed to do that, right,

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Speaker 9: try and change what we're doing. Yeah, voice just what?

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Speaker 3: Nah? Is it cool if I sound a little bit

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Speaker 3: drunk while I'm making this point?

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 9: Ye?

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Speaker 3: Because are really loose? Yeah, let me sound a little bit.

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Speaker 1: That's it sounds like a drunken barn cat. You gotta understanding,

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Speaker 1: do we, Chris No, I gotta put my Danjerts in

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Speaker 1: a little bit better to the Uh. Yeah, it's it's wild, James.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious too, Like, in the context, especially in your book,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about people who also find themselves in quite

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Speaker 1: extraordinary situations. You know, people living their lives and then

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Speaker 1: they come up against a state that is violently trying

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Speaker 1: to upend their way of living, deeming everything they believe

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Speaker 1: in or their way of life illegal. What is where

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Speaker 1: do you kind of put the this this situation right

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Speaker 1: now sort of in the context of a lot of

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Speaker 1: the things you've seen in terms of you know, people

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Speaker 1: led revolutions and things like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's not a good situation that we're in

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, fuck I actually I know you were saying,

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Speaker 3: they're like when they say anybody who protests against them

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Speaker 3: as a terrorist, I was hoping you said that that's

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Speaker 3: actually the the that they're usually going to call it off. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's their last step before the before they give we're

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Speaker 3: we're good here at.

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Speaker 2: I remember in twenty twenty two, early twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: I was speaking to this young guy who was part

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Speaker 2: of the unit called the gen Z Army in Mianma

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Speaker 2: and really like really nice young man, right, Like he

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Speaker 2: was kind of one of the reasons I wanted to

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Speaker 2: write this book because the way he talked about how

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Speaker 2: they organize themselves lines up with what I would consider

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Speaker 2: to be anarchism. Right, they didn't have authority structures, say,

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Speaker 2: they obtained consensus before doing stuff, and that he was like, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for years, we'd hear the government talk about terrorists and

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Speaker 2: we'd be like, well, shit, that's awful, hope those guys die.

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Speaker 2: And then we saw the government, we saw the military

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Speaker 2: seize like the power from the elected government. Right, not

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Speaker 2: a great election, but election nonetheless, and now they call

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Speaker 2: us terrorists and we're not terrorists like, and we realized

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Speaker 2: that that's just that's just shit that they say. They

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Speaker 2: are the ones who are trying to make people afraid

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Speaker 2: and to execute political change through fear. And I thought

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Speaker 2: it was really interesting to see him and that word

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Speaker 2: in Burmese that he was using is very loaded rights.

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Speaker 2: It's a word that I wouldn't I wouldn't want to

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Speaker 2: use to describe them still, and I sometimes don't even

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Speaker 2: use rebels because I know it can be translated in

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Speaker 2: that way and people can feel like it's it's disrespectful.

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Speaker 2: But for him, he's like, yeah, I give a shit

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Speaker 2: and call me what they want. They're out there killing

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Speaker 2: people like they're doing worse stuff and calling me names,

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Speaker 2: and like it's very clear which one of us is

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Speaker 2: a bad guy here?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? I mean again that especially in American culture,

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Speaker 1: it's such a thought killer as a description when you

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Speaker 1: just say terrorists, yeah and bad, instantly bad, no further

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Speaker 1: analysis needed. If you say domestic, oh, domestic terrorist means

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Speaker 1: a person that lives here and is bad versus the

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Speaker 1: other one, which most people just go they just think

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Speaker 1: like Islamic extremism or something like that, and just yeah,

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Speaker 1: straight to isis and yeah, because they use the same

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Speaker 1: sort of language that in rhetoric they've used for the

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Speaker 1: last three death three four decades to describe like other

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Speaker 1: kinds of extremist terrorism, like it's a whole network, okay,

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Speaker 1: that they're part of a network, you understand, and like

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Speaker 1: they're there in a cell of other terrorists in this network,

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Speaker 1: rather than I think what most people saw I feel,

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Speaker 1: which is like this is just a person who again

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Speaker 1: is in their community saying what the fuck is going on?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to record this And sure, maybe getting being

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Speaker 1: in the road maybe quote unquote illegal or a violation,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of that leading to a summary execution

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Speaker 1: or just being shot just without any kind of anything. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's where most people are like, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: that's this is a lot. And yeah, I'm I'm wondering too,

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Speaker 1: how when it will help, Like how quickly American people

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Speaker 1: also see, like how cheap this this sort of descriptor

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Speaker 1: or like just casting anyone as getting in the way

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Speaker 1: as terrorism or terrorist will kind of hold up because

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Speaker 1: they seem to really think that that is their like

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Speaker 1: sort of rhetorical strategy here. It's keep saying this person

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Speaker 1: is a terrorist or anyone that is not doesn't like

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Speaker 1: Ice is a terrorist, and maybe we have enough logical

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Speaker 1: cover to keep doing this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's I mean, I was I'm thinking. I

659
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: think a lot about like the situation in Meanmar, right,

660
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: Like how it began. It's like these big, peaceful protests

661
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: and it became a revolution that now has liberated half

662
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: the country from the government, and like there were little

663
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: they are little rubicons they crossed all along the way.

664
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: Another river crossing reference, but uh this time, like I

665
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: remember the first time the cops shot somewhat and people

666
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: were just like shit, Like these are the stakes, right,

667
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: Like this is a game we're playing and there's a

668
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: choice there that people have, right, It's like do And

669
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: this happened in the Syrian revolution that have not all

670
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: across the Arab spring, right, it's happening in Iran right now.

671
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: People were like, well, are we willing to play game

672
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: where the stakes are our lives? Or are we willing

673
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: to live the rest of our lives subjected? And obviously

674
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: in the US and theory we have elections coming up,

675
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: but that's not necessarily the case. But that wasn't the

676
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: case in in Membar, in Sirior, and it's not in Iran,

677
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: and people were like, you know what, fuck you, We're

678
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: all going to come out now, Like more of us

679
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: will show up, tens of thousands of US will show

680
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: up at this young woman's funeral in Memmar, right and

681
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: be like we're not afraid of you. And those little

682
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: rubicuns that they crossed, Like what made their movement what

683
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: it is today because they weren't they considered it to

684
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: be worth it, I guess, And like that's what every

685
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: every movement has to face. And like it's pretty pretty

686
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: disturbing to think that that's what we're facing in the US.

687
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you can be executed for a traffic infraction, right,

688
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: it's kind of where we're at, right, Like people can

689
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: be killed in the street and the government is going

690
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: to investigate and find themselves innocent in five minutes on Twitter.

691
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty bleak. What's wild? There's

692
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: like you know a lot of people I say, like

693
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: it's all of these weapons we use abroader coming back

694
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: home to roost, you know, the same, this is the

695
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: same justification the US military will use to kill innocent

696
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: people and other quot war zones, and like, well, that

697
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: was a terrorist and like that looked like a family.

698
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: But that's your just description to kind of keep things

699
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: moving along to not you know, to not bring people's

700
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: attention to the humanity of it. And yeah, I mean

701
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: I think that's where seeing all that is really Yeah,

702
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's alarming, which is like it doesn't even

703
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: suffice in terms of like a word to I feel

704
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: like Susan Collins right now, it is alarming right now

705
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: to see what is happening.

706
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, we're going to ask questions and wait for

707
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: the investigation that them. And it feels like the DHS

708
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: crossed like three rubicons in the last week basically love.

709
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,959
Speaker 3: They're just skipping over those motherfuckers. They're skipping the rubicons.

710
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah right. And I'm also curious, like because rhetorically too,

711
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: you see out of the administration more and more of

712
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: this like ethno nationalist propaganda come out from official channels

713
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: as like these like you know, very Nazi inspired posters

714
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: or phrases and things like that. But do you see

715
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: that as sort of them trying to like shore up

716
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: support from people that will be receptive to seeing that

717
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: kind of message or do you think that's them projecting

718
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: onto the viewing public. This is what this is the

719
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: hymnal we're singing from. Now you can get in line,

720
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: like what or is that just trolling? I mean, how

721
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: do you look at that and sort of like the

722
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: larger power picture of it all.

723
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think some of it's just trolling, right.

724
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: Some of it's just like they get a little little

725
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 2: excited thrilled because they've got some like someone who's probably

726
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: like twenty one years old, it's manning that Twitter account

727
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: right like that that, and so some of it's they

728
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: they've been doing it for years and now they're doing

729
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: it on a government website and it's very exciting for them.

730
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think some of it is trying to

731
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: tie that narrative to their narrative, right, or to try

732
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: and like gradually move their base towards this open blood

733
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: and soil position, which like they haven't really been that

734
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: subtle about to begin with r right, Like that's where

735
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 2: they're at now, Like it moved and the Overton you know,

736
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: you know about the Overton window right at the window

737
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: of acceptable political discourse, Like it's it's like the Overton

738
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: windows blown out the wall in terms of like it's

739
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: a hole in the building, right, Yeah. Yeah, the outside

740
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: of the building has gone now.

741
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: Expanded, the overton window of the Oklahoma City Federal Yeah

742
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: they yeah. And I feel like because nothing sticks to

743
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: them that they can just be like, yeah, we're gonna

744
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: do that, but yeah, why not. It'll it'll reach the

745
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: audience that we wanted to reach, and it'll piss off

746
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: other people. But the pissing off other people doesn't have

747
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: any consequences, right, so we're just going to keep going.

748
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: Right yeah, Or it's just owning the Libs, right, which

749
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: is a goal and an end in itself.

750
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: It's just it's funny, right, which is odd because I

751
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: mean not odd, I mean like if it's such a

752
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: fundamental misreading of America from like the MAGA politicians, because

753
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: like you even see quotes or like like from DHS

754
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: spokespeople other politicians are saying, like, people, you gotta quit protesting,

755
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: like saying it like, knock it off, like quit protesting

756
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: DHS and ICE guys like let them do their jobs.

757
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: And you're like, what quit protest? What as if you

758
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: didn't expect this to be the natural reaction of human

759
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: beings to see people just kidnaps by armed goons or

760
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: entering people's homes like that. That it's like, guys, quick,

761
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: prote what's going on? What's with all this protesting now?

762
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: And I'm curious. That's the other part is do you

763
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: see anything in sort of the actions of the current

764
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: administration is like sort of like the hallmarks of a

765
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: truly like sort of weak regime trying to project as

766
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: much power as possible, or how do you how do

767
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: you look at their actions in terms of like what

768
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, how the structural integrity of their movement is right, yeah, yep.

769
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: I mean what they're going for is like there's this

770
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: thing at the end of chapter seven of nineteen eighty

771
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: four that I think about a lot, where these or

772
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: Well says, people fucking love to be wrong about all Well.

773
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: I guess I should just start that, like the amount

774
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: of people who like to cite all Well whilst also

775
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: being the sort of people who all Well signed up

776
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: to kill in the Spanish Civil War, like in.

777
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty four was written about the Biden administration.

778
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: Just want to be yah, yeah, yeah, mostly concerned vaccines

779
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: and your kids not going to school, having to be

780
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: in the same space as your kids and you hate

781
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: them and they hate you, and yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

782
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: what It's a book about divorced dads. In Wrotdown, he says,

783
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: the party told you not to trust your eyes and ears.

784
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: It was their final, most important command. And like that

785
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: is where we are at this week, right, Like that is,

786
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: but that is a ten year project, Donald Trump writing

787
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: down at an escalator ten years ago, shit talking Mexican

788
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 2: people eleven years ago, right, and they have gradually been

789
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 2: stacking bricks since then to get to this place where

790
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: they can, like you said earlier, right, they can post

791
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: a video of a dude who is for some reason

792
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: filming on his personal phone whilst doing copshit, who then

793
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: shoots a lady three times in the face and be like, see,

794
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: seems totally cool, because they're going to tell you it's

795
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: totally cool, and you're going to watch it and believe them.

796
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: And that is the totalitarian project, right, that they can

797
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: intervene in between the external world and you drawing conclusions

798
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: from the external world, and have you draw the conclusion

799
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: that they want, right, Like, I there's that's scary, right

800
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: if whatever percentage of people will buy that, and it's

801
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: it's not just a problem. I guess with Republicans. There's

802
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: like a sort of conspiratorial wing of Democrats who do

803
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: the same thing. But it is overwhelmingly a problem right

804
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: now because the government is using it to justify murdering people. Right,

805
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: that is what we should be focused on. And that's

806
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: pretty scary, man. Like, I mean, any state there resorts

807
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: to violence, like deliberately does it because that is the

808
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: nature of the state. It doesn't mean that they're threatened, right,

809
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 2: like that, the state at its core is the entity

810
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: that controls violence in a geographical area. Sure, sure it

811
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: always has been, right, that's what it is.

812
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: They aren't allowed to use violence.

813
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, they have the molopoly on legitimate violence, the

814
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: verbarian definition of the state. Right, So I think them

815
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: using violence is not an indication of weakness us. But

816
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: like them having to resort to violence so much, it's

817
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: not great, Like that's why they've gone so hard on

818
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: this blitz, right they get they straight up murdered a

819
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: white lady in the middle of the day, and like

820
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: it probably does matter that it's a white lady in

821
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: this country still, right, because a lot of suburban folks

822
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: can see themselves in the late dragon the mini bad

823
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: enough to dropping herself from school, dropping her kids at school.

824
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: And if they can do that and walk away from

825
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: it without consequences, that's pretty bad, right, It's pretty bad

826
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: for any any any checks on power. So I guess

827
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 2: we're going to find out in the next few days.

828
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, America the place where it's like, well, I

829
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: have to see it happen to someone exactly like me before.

830
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: Right now, Yeah, she don't look that much like me, actually, right, yeah,

831
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 3: But do you see anything in the very beginnings of

832
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: nascent US resistance that kind of you've seen elsewhere that

833
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: you know, you've talked about kind of resistance witnessing some

834
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: of these resistance groups like the gen Z Army, But

835
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: like you know, I think a lot of people in

836
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: the US feel helpless or like, well, what can we do?

837
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: And you know there's also people who are protesting and resisting.

838
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,479
Speaker 3: But what just how do you how do you view

839
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: like the state of American resistance?

840
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. Like the reason I write the

841
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: book like it's not it's not like to be clear

842
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: like a guide book or explaining how to do things,

843
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: But I hope it reminds people that really beautiful things

844
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 2: can happen out of really dark times. And like again,

845
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 2: if I go, if you go back to the early

846
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: Arab spring, or perhaps the early protests in mem is

847
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 2: a better example. Right in twenty twenty one, after the coup,

848
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: first everyone went out with like funny signs like what

849
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: I can remember one person had one that said say

850
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: no to dictatorship, yes to relationship, and like stuff like.

851
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 3: That, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

852
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: There was like a lot of a lot of like

853
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: young adult sexual tension, like don't fuck my country, fuck

854
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: my friend and has a little arrow and stuff. But

855
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: they were doing that because they thought that if they

856
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: were funny and peaceful, the world would be like, these

857
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: guys are cool, we should help them. And the world

858
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: did not do shit, right, And for months people adhere

859
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: to the idea of peaceful protests because they genuinely thought

860
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: it would help. And like people are hero are doing

861
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: to peaceful protests because they generally believe that it will

862
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: make a difference. And I hope it does.

863
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 4: But like.

864
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: One potential direction, it's a direction I guess at them,

865
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a direction that US will go

866
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: in necessarily, right, Like I think's quite likely that US

867
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: will fragment in the way Meandmark has done because we

868
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: don't have many of the factors that they had. But

869
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: every one of these revolutionary movements starts like this, and

870
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: some of them end up in open armed conflict. Right,

871
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: Like the Arab's ring was the same. Right, it was

872
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: thousands of people coming out into the street, like we've

873
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: seen in Minneapolis. Right, Like, that is how these movements

874
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: that result in change, or they all begin that way. Right.

875
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to be fighting against the government because it's hard,

876
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: lots of people die, and so everything, I guess begins

877
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: where we're at. Not everything, by any means ends where

878
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: they are at. But right, I can see and I

879
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: think so much of the young people in the m

880
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: are especially, so much of their discourse on politics was

881
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: informed by having the Internet, learning English and learning from

882
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: people in the US. So they just assumed that the

883
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: same tools would work there. Right, But you had a

884
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: different to take calculus there.

885
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: Right.

886
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 2: If they can kill one hundred and fifty people in

887
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: a single day at a protest that they did in Myanmar, right,

888
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: that's a whole other scale compared to what we're dealing

889
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: with in the US. And it's understandable why things have

890
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: gone in the direction of people fighting back that.

891
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting, like the tone of the signs.

892
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: I feel like we're a little bit different this weekend, Like.

893
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's trying to be funny anymore.

894
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, La, definitely We've had some real, you know, funny

895
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: sign I mean like every American city too, but this

896
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: weekend felt it was truly about like like saying like

897
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: Renane Nicole Good was murdered. Ice are murders a ball?

898
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: Like just a lot of the it became less about

899
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: who has the best SpongeBob meme, and it translated like

900
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: not to say that every sign was like that, but

901
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: when now that you say that that that was an

902
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: observation I had from the.

903
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you saw that in twenty twenty

904
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: as well, right, Like I didn't think anyone was trying

905
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: to be funny about the murder of George No, No,

906
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: people were fucking mad.

907
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the funniest things were just like insulting cops

908
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: like that's yeah, oh, that was a creative insult to

909
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: for a police officer. But that was like the extent

910
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: rather than like, what's I quip about this unjustified police killing.

911
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and those skit skits where they like dressed up

912
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: as cops and like kept like slipping on ice and

913
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: like we're like slipping and then their gun would go

914
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: off and.

915
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: That was That's a real video jacket, like ice sky slipping.

916
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: There's like a whole mixtape that I felt like, I've

917
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: seen like five different videos on people just being like

918
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to run on this icy sidewalk. Okay, genius. Yeah,

919
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean the vest doesn't protect your cocktics. Okay, just

920
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: so you know, let's.

921
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: Take a quick break.

922
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 6: We'll be right back, and we're back, all right, real quick.

923
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: Let's take a little sidebar over to the world of

924
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: pop culture popular culture. The super Bowl is in sight.

925
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: The NFL playoffs kicked off this weekend, and is that all?

926
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: Anything good happened in the NFL play I saw it

927
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 1: the Eagle game.

928
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: Did the Eagles lose? The Eagles lost?

929
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: I saw people celebrating.

930
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 3: Champion Eagles lost. Josh Allen, husband of the actress from

931
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: Singers whose name is Escaping Me, had a bit had

932
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: a big game. Big wait second win, just wait?

933
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: What the state? What singers?

934
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: The Sinners singers? Yeah, Hailey Steinfeld, Hailey Steinfeld's husband.

935
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: Oh, Hailey, ste Wow, bro, I don't know anything about anything,

936
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: Okay anyway, so they're okay.

937
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 3: So the big football weekend. Big weekend for those of

938
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 3: us who can't wait to see what turning point USA

939
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: has cooked up the Super Bowl show.

940
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: Ever since Bad Bunny, one of the most listened to

941
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: artists on the planet, was announced at the halftime show, obviously,

942
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: the MAGA freakouts began because A they don't know that

943
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: Puerto Ricans are American and b that doesn't matter because

944
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: they're racist.

945
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 3: But and that people don't actually listen to music. Man,

946
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: come on, that's that's inflated. It's all bots, dude, that's bots, dude.

947
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: There's not even a billion people to listen to Bad

948
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: Buddy that many times.

949
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 3: Man, that's right.

950
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: You know, you know, countries outside the West grossly infliation.

951
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 3: Do you see the new conspiracy theory that the world

952
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 3: population is vastly overstated and that countries from outside the

953
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 3: US are just inflating their numbers to get aid from

954
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: the sake. Yeah, this one. I feel like this one's

955
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 3: going to be real powerful. I feel like people, oh,

956
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 3: they're gonna love this one. That we're actually like that,

957
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 3: there's like only like a couple thousand people.

958
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: All right, So here's my thing. What's the most people

959
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: you've ever seen in one place at once? Maybe what

960
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 1: sixty thousand at the Rose Bowl? But yeah, so true

961
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: turning point in true reactionary fashion. Right at the top

962
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: after the bad Buddy thing was like, what an American

963
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: are artist who's really popular for a global sporting event

964
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: is doing the halftime show? Well, I think we will

965
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: announce ourselves of the true keepers of white American football

966
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: halftime show and said that they would have their own

967
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: competing halftime show that will stun audiences with how white

968
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: and boring it is. And like you said, Jack, we're

969
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: getting closer to the game and many are asking in

970
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: the press, Hey, toilet paper USA, what's the deal with

971
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: your shit? Dude? Are you guys like, who's fucking performing?

972
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: So a spokesperson confirmed a few things for us to TMZ.

973
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: Okay, the show is death. The show is.

974
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: Definitely happening, sweet, but you'll have to tune in to

975
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: find out who's performing.

976
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: Oh really okay.

977
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 1: And then they were asked, do you even have performers booked?

978
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: This is the turning point? Spokesperson Oh, there's performers booked,

979
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: but we can't reveal who they are or even what

980
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: kind of performer they are.

981
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: Happy to ventriloquist. I do like they're taking a different direction.

982
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 3: I think they might go like ventriloquist, like, yeah, there's

983
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 3: gonna be some like NBA halftime show type people, you know,

984
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: like the like spinning a plate on a stick and

985
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: like people who ride multiple unicycles. You know, well that

986
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: thing keeps getting bigger. This guy's incredible.

987
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: Where will the show be taking place? The answer yes,

988
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: mm hmmm, oh okay, will it be airing live? Or

989
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: their answer, uh huh yeah, yeah sure. There's a lot

990
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: of tvvs UH to to actually get here. I do

991
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: wonder if Nicki Minaj just fully throws herself into the

992
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: Maga mount Doom fires and gets it over with, because

993
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: she was on stage at a turning point event and

994
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: it's clearly been like, look, I don't know if you've

995
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: read anything about my husband or any but I might

996
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: need a pardon. So I'm gonna start, you know, sipping

997
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: the Maga kool aid with everybody. She's I think the

998
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: only person that comes close to being quote unquote considered

999
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: like considered quote unquote mainstream who has actually even been

1000
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: to a turning point event or although quote unquote popular

1001
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: right right, and even now, I mean so many fans

1002
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: have been like, geez, y'all, we were trying to ride

1003
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 1: with you through all this stuff.

1004
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, what has the response been to that appearance? Like,

1005
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: because they know she has famously like die hard fans,

1006
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: but yeah, yeah, yeah.

1007
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: And a lot of people were like, this, this whole

1008
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: thing's become a joke. Makes sense whatever I was done

1009
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: with her after, you know, just all the other shit

1010
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: that she's been doing the last couple of years. Other

1011
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: people are just kind of like maybe not talking about it.

1012
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: But most of the response from like the you know,

1013
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: black audience have been like okay, and you can go

1014
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: sit all the way the fuck down over there with them, goodbye.

1015
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: But the other it does feel like this would be

1016
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: ripe for some AI company to be like, hey, hey, hey,

1017
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, I can get fucking Elvis to perform at

1018
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: the show, just so you know, I can get Elvis,

1019
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: I can get fucking Johnny Cash, and I can get

1020
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: Francis Scott Key to do that. One verse of The

1021
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: Star Spangled Banner where they talk about the slavery and stuff.

1022
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: You know, well, yeah, I mean Johnny Cash and Elvis,

1023
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 3: They're still gonna need to pay some money, Like they're

1024
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: gonna write some budget those people have. I'm wondering, like

1025
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: how far back they're gonna have to go to get

1026
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: like some public Maybe it is Francis Scott Key, Yeah,

1027
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 3: and Andrew Jackson gives a speech about the trailer tears.

1028
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: Or something fucked up ship and they're like, and this

1029
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: is entertainment.

1030
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, Al Jolson.

1031
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, God, I honestly don't It's just so

1032
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: hard to picture what this is gonna be and how

1033
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: they could claim this as any kind of like win

1034
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: for them, but they will obviously no matter what state

1035
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: the show is in. But wow, I can't.

1036
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: Wait, truly can't wait to see after the fact, like

1037
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 3: what what they've put out there, because it's as we've seen,

1038
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 3: like as they try and take over even things like

1039
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 3: the Pentagon Press Corps, and they're just like, yeah, those

1040
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: those are now influencers. There's just a bunch of influencers.

1041
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 3: It like it, it looks like it. It looks like

1042
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 3: a high school journalism class out there, you know, not

1043
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: not the age of the people, but just like the

1044
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: type of questions and the level of professionalism, So like,

1045
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: what are we going to see? I mean, the one

1046
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: thing that we've seen they're able to do is buy

1047
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,479
Speaker 3: a lot of fireworks. That seems to be their ones

1048
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: their one strength. So maybe maybe it's going to be

1049
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 3: just like a lot of fireworks and you can't really

1050
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: tell who's up there.

1051
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: It's Eric Kirk, Erica Kirk setting off a pile of

1052
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: fireworks and a fucking parking lot in Tucson.

1053
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: Maybe that's like San Diego did that one time, you know,

1054
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: set them all off at once, like yeah, giant explosion.

1055
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: Catastrophic explosion. Well, look, don't tune in because I'm sure

1056
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it once it happens.

1057
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 3: Let us no need whatsoever. I certainly won't be watching

1058
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: it live, but I can't wait to see how it

1059
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: goes for them.

1060
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, firefest all over again.

1061
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, because there is there. They had the poster that

1062
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: was like kid Rock.

1063
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: Is another one. Yeah, yeah he could be there. Yeah,

1064
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: but that was the like, is he capable of doing

1065
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: a live show? Kid Rock? Yeah?

1066
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 3: I mean I don't think I wouldn't recommend it as

1067
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: he is doctor, but as somebody who thinks he sucks.

1068
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: I think you should give it a go.

1069
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: You know, you.

1070
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: Know how like you look at old pictures of like

1071
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: the dust Bowl or the Depression, and it'll look like

1072
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: to us as like a fifty eight year old man,

1073
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: like this guy is thirty five, yes, you know what

1074
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean, And then like over time, you like look

1075
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: people as look at now, they're like, damn our thirty

1076
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: five year ols look like babies now and shit like

1077
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: that kid Rock for being fifty four looks like a

1078
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: dust bowl ear of fifty four year old dust. Like

1079
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: he's maintained that like stress and lack of proper health

1080
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: and I'm sure drinking beer and cigarettes and all that

1081
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: has uh yeah, I'm like when I look at him,

1082
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: yeah he's fifty four, and I'm like, oh yeah, yeah,

1083
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: yeah you look yeah, you look like dried up dog

1084
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: shit yep there yeah yeah yeah yeah.

1085
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Speaker 3: So he's see but everything above the hat band he

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Speaker 3: looks super young yeh. Never you know what I mean

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Speaker 3: Above his hat band, which is he hasn't taken his

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Speaker 3: hat off. It's been crafted onto his head. Everything up there,

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Speaker 3: he looks like a newborn baby. He looks like he

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Speaker 3: looks like one of the pre cogs, Like he's been

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Speaker 3: bathing in a milk bath for the.

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Speaker 1: Past you know he's got Yeah, he's doing the Bret

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Speaker 1: Michaels thing where it's like, bro, the hair is attached

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Speaker 1: to the hat just so you know, so this thing

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Speaker 1: is not coming. I don't know if you've seen a picture.

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Speaker 3: Of Lega seeing hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you see me in a backwards trucker hut

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Speaker 1: the ship, you're going to look in there. It looks

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Speaker 1: like a field that is lying fallow.

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Speaker 3: Well, James, such a pleasure having you on the daily side. Guys,

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Speaker 3: where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all

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Speaker 3: that good stuff? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I can find me on It could happen here.

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Speaker 2: It's the Cool Zone podcast. You can find it anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Good podcast given away for free. We also have a

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Speaker 2: bunch of different feets. If you just want to listen

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Speaker 2: to our immigration stuff, you can find that. If you

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00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: want to listen to stuff about Meanma, you can find that.

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00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: If you want to listen to other things that we've covered,

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Speaker 2: you can find those all on the Cool Zone media page.

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00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 2: If they want to read my book, they can pre

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Speaker 2: order it from akpress dot org. It's called against the state,

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Speaker 2: and I sometimes go on social media. I'm trying not

1114
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 2: to can make it makes me so angry, but you

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Speaker 2: can search my name.

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Speaker 1: It's designed to do that. Actually, James know.

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Speaker 2: That so many many people are saying it. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I will occasionally need tweet or skeep or there's a bus.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you need to do.

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Speaker 2: I do ye. I want to yeat my telephone into

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Speaker 2: the sign every time they go on those websites.

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Speaker 3: While listening to Is there a work of media that

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Speaker 3: you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 3: Uh, there are a couple.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: Recently I did a podcast It's not my podcast series,

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Speaker 2: just so unclear. I did a podcast series about the

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Speaker 2: people I met in the Daddi and Gap a year

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Speaker 2: ago and like where they are now, where they're at.

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Speaker 2: And in that series, I talked about a Woody Guthrie

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00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: song he wrote as a poem about these people who

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00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: were killed in the lost Gattospanion Canyon plane crash. You're

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Speaker 2: familiar with that, mm hmm. Forty eight people died just

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Speaker 2: outside of I think outside of Asalia there up in

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Speaker 2: sort of central California in the valley, and the press

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Speaker 2: only named the immigration officer the pilot, the flight assistant,

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Speaker 2: essentially only the white folks in the crew, right two,

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Speaker 2: pilot's flight assistant, immigration officer, and when you got three

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Speaker 2: years or something radio and he's like, damn, it's pretty

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00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 2: fucked up. All those other people died. You didn't say

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Speaker 2: shit about them. So he wrote a song about it,

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Speaker 2: and thos people have covered the song. So Johnny Cash

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00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: covered it actually, so maybe, oh.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's not going to be doing Turning Point USA. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just I just heard about Johnny Cash. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he's good for this show, sir.

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Speaker 3: He's gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I recently been watching some videos of that,

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Speaker 2: and it makes me happy to think that there was

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Speaker 2: a point when even like, yeah, Johnny Cash was like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty fucked up how we treat those people. We

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Speaker 2: shouldn't do that to migrants. It's wrong. All these people

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Speaker 2: here ender the Bracero program, right, So they were like

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Speaker 2: quote unquote guest workers, and they were deported home at

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Speaker 2: the time that the plane crashed, and yeah, they weren't

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Speaker 2: even mentioned. It wasn't until like two years ago that

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Speaker 2: somebody built a memorial for them where the plane crashed

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Speaker 2: and this happened in nineteen forty eight.

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Speaker 1: Jesus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've been enjoying listening to people singing what

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Speaker 2: do you go? Three songs? What do you gu three?

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Speaker 2: Chaeremany there you go?

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Speaker 3: I listened to you all right, miles Where can people

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Speaker 3: find you? As there a workI media you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. Catch the

1167
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: new footy podcast Ain't It Footy? Where I talk about

1168
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Speaker 1: the English Premier League, the FA Cup all kinds of shit.

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Speaker 1: Latest episode with Jamel Johnson and Chris Martin. You get

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Speaker 1: two Americans and a brit talking that shit about our

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Speaker 1: favorite international sport. Now a couple works. I like, Yes,

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Speaker 1: there's one from at lol on weed. He's got our

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Speaker 1: social posted just a quote, just a screencap of the

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Speaker 1: subreddit are no stupid questions and it says, quote if

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Speaker 1: the wealthy can buy up all the computer memory and

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Speaker 1: drive prices through the roof, what's stopping them from doing

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Speaker 1: the same thing with stuff people actually need to survive?

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Speaker 1: And the account of their quote more quote posts at

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Speaker 1: half of the top. You reply, I start with brother,

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Speaker 1: my friend, and homie, and then one more I like

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Speaker 1: is from obviously a lot of people saw the great

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Speaker 1: slip and fall of that ice agent in Minnesota who

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Speaker 1: really flanded on his key Star at digitalgeist dot Com

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Speaker 1: on Blue Sky posted that photo with this old screencap

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Speaker 1: of a tweet from twenty fourteen from at Mike Fossey.

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Speaker 3: It said, check this shit out, motherfucker.

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Speaker 1: Parenthetical I slide one foot out from under me and

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Speaker 1: fall on my ass. It's not clear what kind of

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Speaker 1: move I was trying to do along with it. Check

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Speaker 1: this shit out, motherfucker.

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Speaker 2: Check this shit.

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Speaker 1: The way he had to like scurry his little ass

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Speaker 1: back into that car, it must have been half concussed

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Speaker 1: or something he did not.

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Speaker 2: He must be in pain. Yeah, I like.

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Speaker 3: To tweet from Mark on Twitter at Ranch, who said,

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Speaker 3: if you walk up to the counter at Trader Joe's

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Speaker 3: without any grocery items, they'll have no choice but to

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Speaker 3: compliment your body. Hey nice.

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Speaker 1: Arms, arms, Yeah, grands.

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Speaker 3: You can find me on Twitter at jack under Score

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Speaker 3: of Brian on Blue Sky at jack ob the Number one.

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Speaker 3: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're

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Speaker 3: at the Daily Zeitgeist. On Instagram, you can go to

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Speaker 3: the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it,

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Speaker 3: and they're at the bottom you will find the footnote,

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Speaker 3: which is where we link off the information that we

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Speaker 3: talked about in today's episode. We also link off to

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Speaker 3: a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is

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Speaker 3: there a song that you think that people might enjoy?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, this is a track from Temporary Blessings, which

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Speaker 1: is like an instrumental band from Australia, because all the

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Speaker 1: cool instrumental bands are on like Melbourn. Now this track

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Speaker 1: is called Goblin Mode. But this band's cool. I just

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Speaker 1: like it, Like just a group of musicians are like man,

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Speaker 1: I love like Anny O Morecone's like compositions and like

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Speaker 1: that's kind of like vibe the instrumental music they used

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Speaker 1: to be in like seventies sixties film. Why don't we

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Speaker 1: make a band that does that? That's kind of like

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Speaker 1: what this band does. So Temporary Blessings with Goblin Mode

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Speaker 1: feels very much like something your favorite hip hop producer

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Speaker 1: would probably sample.

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Speaker 3: But they're making it now, so Goblin Vega go all right.

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Speaker 3: We will link off to that in the foot note

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Speaker 3: for the Daily Esai Guys at production by Heart Radio.

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Speaker 3: For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, visit the Heart Radio, app,

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Speaker 3: Apple Podcast, wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's

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Speaker 3: going to do it for us this morning, yep, back

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Speaker 3: this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we

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Speaker 3: will talk to you all then Bye bye.

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Speaker 8: The Daily Zeit Guys is executive produced by Catherine Long,

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Speaker 8: co produced by by Wang.

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Speaker 3: Co produced by Victor Wright, co written by j m mcnapp,

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Speaker 3: edited

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Speaker 1: And engineered by Justin Connor.