1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello friends, 2 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: welcome back to Work in Progress. Today we are joined 3 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: by someone who has been on the podcast before, who 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 1: I absolutely adore, who you know from enormous films like 5 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Thor and Black Swan and Jackie. She has won an 6 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: Academy Award, a Golden Globe, a Screen Actors Guild Award 7 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: at bathto Ward. 8 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: She just won the Critics' Choice Award. 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: This woman literally has done it all and now she 10 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: is conquering television. Today's guest is none other than the 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: inimitable Natalie Portman, and she is here today to talk 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: with us about her new Apple TV Plus series Lady 13 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: in the Lake. She helped to produce it with her 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: company Mountain A and today. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk. 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: About what made her decide to jump into television, about 17 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: some of the incredible films she's made recently, including May December, 18 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,639 Speaker 1: directed by Todd Haynes, which I'm sure you all saw 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: Natalie Starr's opposite Julianne Moore and it is a wild ride. 20 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: And of course we have to talk about our very 21 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: favorite Angel City FC. Natalie and I have a lot 22 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: to get into so with no further ado, let's get 23 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: to it. Hi, Rand, I'm so happy to have you 24 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: backed on the podcast today. 25 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: Hi, I am so glad to talk to you again. 26 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: As always, I am. 27 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm laughing too because for our friends listening when we 28 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: were tech checking, we realize that we're actually both in 29 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: the same city today, which never happens, so we could 30 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: have absolutely on this not on zoom. 31 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: I know it's very ridiculous. I've not been hanging out 32 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: in person, but you know that's the same. 33 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: I know this isn't so bad though. 34 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm just so excited to talk all the things normally. 35 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: I like to ask, you know, people who come on 36 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: if they see like a through line to their career 37 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: today and their childhood. But I feel like you've answered 38 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: that question already. Uh, since you've been on the show before, 39 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: I guess I would ask for a tweak in that 40 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: since we last spoke. Do you feel any sort of 41 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: different connection to that question, or like a different connection 42 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: to your younger self from the place we sit today. 43 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 4: I think I don't know. 44 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 3: I always feel like there's repeating themes that I know, 45 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 3: not necessarily conscious of that. 46 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 4: I go back a lot, but I feel like the big. 47 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: You know thing that I'm always trying to get toward 48 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: is finding like my own pleasure and my own joy 49 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 3: as opposed to pleasing others. I think that starting out 50 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 3: as a kid, a kid actor, was very much like, 51 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: you know, looking to the grown ups and being like, 52 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 3: did I do a good job? 53 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 4: You know? 54 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: And now the goal is always be like, you know, 55 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 3: is this making me happy? Not just you know, is 56 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: this making everyone else happy? 57 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? There, God, that's so interesting. 58 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: I I was just out in Utah in the spring 59 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: working on a movie, and I set a challenge for 60 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: myself to sure be in with all the departments and 61 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: see what the department heads need and do the technical 62 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: stuff I like at work, but to act for me, 63 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: like to actually just go to work and see if 64 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: I could remember what it felt like as a kid 65 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: doing theater, to feel like it was my after school thing, 66 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: like I was playing, yes, instead of it being so serious. 67 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: And nobody tells you that you might wake up one 68 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: day working and go, wait, have I how long has 69 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: it been since I did something for me? 70 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 4: Yes? 71 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: And also like you're saying, I mean, as a kid, 72 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: it's such play and we're so lucky to have jobs 73 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: that are essentially play, and so to not treat. 74 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 4: It like that is crazy. 75 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: I mean it's just like the most extreme form of 76 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: play you can have. 77 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, if I think if you tap into it and 78 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: you don't let the pressure get to you and the 79 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: desire to be good for everyone and the you know 80 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: the privilege of it and whatever, it's I realized I 81 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: sort of got so in the weeds on making sure 82 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: it was running smoothly that I was forgetting to have 83 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: a good time. 84 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good to center joy. 85 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, to find joy at work is so cool. 86 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: And yeah, the joy and the play I like that. 87 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: Did the desire to cultivate that kind of play, to 88 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: find that sort of joy for yourself? Do you think 89 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: there's a nugget of that even in that little seedling 90 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: when you decided we needed a soccer team in La 91 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: when when you helped create and and and you know, 92 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: brew this idea for Angel City, Like, do you think 93 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: maybe as a mom looking at your family or you 94 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: wanted more play? 95 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? 96 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 3: I mean, well it is of course, uh you know, 97 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 3: emblematic that it's literally a game like it's yeah, you know, 98 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 3: it's supporting. Again, what other profession do people play at 99 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: their work. It's athletes, you know, as alongside actors, and 100 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: of course it's such a joyful fun thing for spectators 101 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: as well. And I definitely also just loved gathering with 102 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: other women in Times Up, and I feel like it 103 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: was kind of an unconscious way to continue that gathering. 104 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 3: You know, we are again a group of women, you know, 105 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: in our investor group alongside the team. 106 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 4: Even though I could never. 107 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 3: Be an athlete, this is a way to be part 108 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 3: of a group with a bunch of athletes. And so yes, 109 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 3: it's absolutely again celebrating joy and celebrating play. 110 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: I love that. 111 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: I got asked about it recently and I was laughing 112 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: thinking about growing up in La playing ayso soccer and 113 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: very quickly realizing, you know, oh yeah, for an asthmatic, 114 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: soccer might not be my best sport. 115 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 4: We figured it out. 116 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: Like the theater kids who couldn't keep up with the 117 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: ones that run, we still figured it out, and we 118 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: did we essentially created Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's a 119 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: grown up clubhouse of all the most fun humans we know. 120 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 4: Totally, I really loved that was. 121 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: Do you think there's something interesting too harnessing that energy 122 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: of Times Up? Like you were talking about being able 123 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: to gather as women, to have safe spaces to talk 124 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: about our experience is good and bad, you know, to 125 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: not just have to perform and smile all the time, 126 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: I think is so healing and clearly created such a 127 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: salient point that you see these groups happening, you know, 128 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: around the country, around the world, you see people getting 129 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: more frank about what it means to live in community 130 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: and have better community, and to build a sports team 131 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: feels like some of the best aspects of community. I 132 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: love that that there was a flip from gathering to 133 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: figure out what to do with pain to sort of 134 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: like flipping the pancake over and saying, Okay, if this 135 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: is the gathering, how do we move forward in pleasure, 136 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: in play, in pay equity, in all of these things 137 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: that you know, we know our industry agnostic, but that 138 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: we could certainly relate to. Do you ever sort of 139 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: sit back and go, holy shit, we really did it. 140 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: We really flipped the whole script on this. 141 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 4: Well. 142 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 3: I really think that the athletes led the way, you know, 143 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: they the athletes showed us where to go, and I 144 00:08:54,640 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: wouldn't want to, you know, take any of that credit 145 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 3: away from them. You know, watching Megan Rapino and Alex 146 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 3: Morgan and all of their teammates, you know, lead the 147 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: way for the pay equity conversation for the US women's 148 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: soccer team, and Becca Rue, who was their incredible representative 149 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: who got them pay equity. I mean, they were the 150 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 3: ones who showed us like this is both joyful and 151 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 3: virtuosic and changing, you know, changing the game for women 152 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: and really inspired everything. And it's also just so great. 153 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 3: I think with times up it, I realized how rarely 154 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: we celebrate each other. Women in our group who said, 155 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: you know, I remember like winning an award and it 156 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: feeling so lonely walking into the room after that. No 157 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: one said congrats or gave me a hug. And so 158 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: we started this. We started this ritual of celebrating someone 159 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,119 Speaker 3: every time we met, that we would like celebrate someone's achievement. 160 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: And soccer is inherently that, Like you celebrate when one 161 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 3: person scores, the whole team scores, so you know, we 162 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: all jump on top of each other when that happens. 163 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 3: You know, it's such a great model for how we 164 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: should be all the time as women. 165 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: Totally, and I love the that analogy because it's it 166 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: requires the entire team to make that goal, it requires 167 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: the entire team to win a match. And I think 168 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: it's so cool, you know, loving that sport, loving the WNBA, 169 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: like even seeing the professional women's hockey leagues start to 170 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: take off. 171 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: And knowing that. 172 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: I think the stat I can't remember if it's eighty 173 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: four or ninety four percent of women in the C 174 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: suite in their adult professional careers played either through high 175 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: school or into collegiate sports. 176 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 4: And it's like, well, of course it tracks. 177 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: You can be a team leader. You can go and 178 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: run a movie studio or a you know, massive corporation 179 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: because you know how to manage teams and support people, 180 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:23,479 Speaker 1: demand better of them certainly, but also celebrate their wins 181 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: as a as a unit. 182 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: And it's so cool. 183 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good reminder always now, I'm always like 184 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: like it's it has to be conscious a little bit, 185 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 3: because I don't think it's been socialized into me. But 186 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 3: like when I see someone do something great, to like 187 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 3: reach out and be like that was amazing, I am 188 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: so like inspired by you. Thank you for thank you 189 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 3: for doing what you're doing, you know, And I think 190 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 3: it's we all should be conscious of a little bit 191 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 3: more celebrating each other's wins. 192 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: I totally agree. I heard a good thing the other day. 193 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: Someone was saying that I was meeting with this lovely 194 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: guy who helps run a family restaurant, and he was like, 195 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: if you guys like the food, it would really mean 196 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: a lot to us, you know, if you'd go on 197 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: and leave a review. And I was like, oh, yeah, 198 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: I guess I don't really think about that too often. 199 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: He's like, well, yeah, most of the time when people 200 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: are giving you feedback, it's a critique or a criticism. 201 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: And I thought about that, and we do, like even 202 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: on social media, we hear from all these negative voices, 203 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: and to just go out and be verbally and publicly 204 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: supportive and kind to people feels so. 205 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 3: Congract that nice tendency towards bitching. Yeah, I mean I 206 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: don't say it about other people. I feel like I'm 207 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: a subject to it myself. Like it's important to say 208 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: when you love something as much as when you're like 209 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: annoyed by. 210 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: Something totally totally, and to be like loud and out 211 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: front about it. 212 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: Feels so special. 213 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, rare. 214 00:12:59,200 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 215 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: And now for our sponsors, how do you start to 216 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: practice those things? As you're finding you know, more either 217 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: capacity or regularity for your own joy, how do you 218 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: start to make more of it? 219 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 4: How to make more joy or more Yeah. 220 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: Like any of it. 221 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: I think all of it feels sort of generative to me. 222 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: And the way you're talking about it, I sort of 223 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: like the vision I'm having in my head is of 224 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: this you know, snowball gaining size. So if you're trying 225 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: to shift a practice like that to be more vocal 226 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: about what's great or to lean more into the things 227 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: that make you feel great, like, how how do you 228 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: do that? How do you grab those things out of 229 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: the air around you? 230 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's been very meaningful absolutely to be 231 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: more conscious about telling people when I think that they're 232 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: doing something amazing talking about it publicly. I think, you know, 233 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 3: like in a friend group, to like call out someone's 234 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: achievement to the friend group and be like, let's all 235 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:15,359 Speaker 3: celebrate this person's achievement today or this person's like greatness 236 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: today is so wonderful, And I think is such a 237 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: great way to cultivate that appreciation and also for me, 238 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: just giving myself the permission to do something because it's 239 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 3: fun and not necessarily you know, some of the other 240 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: things that we put on ourselves, like for me, doing 241 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: things that I love doing that I'm not very good 242 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: at because I think so much of my life has 243 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: been about like being good and achieving and all this stuff. 244 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 4: And you know. 245 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: Like painting, for me, I'm not very good at it, 246 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: but i' really enjoy it, and like that's become a 247 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: really important practice to like do something just because I 248 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: like it, not because anyone would be like, wow, that's amazing, Natalie. 249 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 4: You know, like you, no one will say. 250 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: That to me about my painting, but it brings me happiness, 251 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: and so, you know, following those lines has been important 252 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: for me. 253 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: I love that. 254 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: And I think it's tricky too, when, particularly when your 255 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: job is to make an art form, because then any 256 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: art can be work. So to sort of separate these, 257 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, buckets, if you will, to give yourself a space, yeah, 258 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: to be not great at something, or to just do 259 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: it for fun and purposefully not try to judge the 260 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: quality of its art feels it feels like something you 261 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: have to cultivate, but probably something that makes you feel 262 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: more free, I would imagine. 263 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it free yourself from again having to 264 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: like please others, or perform for others, or get accolades 265 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: from others. Yeah, is you know, is definitely freeing. Yeah. 266 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: How does it apply then when you decide to go 267 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: from this stage in your career and make a movie. 268 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's funny when I look back 269 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: over like the first FIO from your first visit, and 270 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: I think about, you know, how young you were. You 271 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: were twelve when Leon the Professional happened and you took 272 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: a break from acting to go through Harvard and talked. 273 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: I remember then about what you felt like you had 274 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: to prove because people love to give us those those 275 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: joyful monikers as actresses in the world, you know, to 276 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: go on and win at the Academy and to have 277 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: these you know, enormous career moments. Again, it's so amazing. 278 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: You're a wonderkind at what you know you do at 279 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: the art we all get to participate in, and yet 280 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: it's always measured. So now to find that balance in 281 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: your life, how does that balance maybe shift the way 282 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: you go to work, Like when you go to make 283 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: a project like Lady in the Lake, do you do 284 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: you intentionally try to carry more play space with you? 285 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: Or is work for work and like play for painting 286 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: at home. 287 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 3: No, I mean my work is all play and it's 288 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: actually I think what people remark to me most when 289 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: I'm working is that they're shocked by, like how unseerious 290 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: I am. Like really, it's like I'm very serious and 291 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: like being prepared and being professional, Like I do my research, 292 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: I do my prep, I show up. 293 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 4: Knowing my lines. 294 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: I'm like on time, but like all I want to 295 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 3: do between takes of like joke around, Like I don't. 296 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 4: I'm not one of those people. 297 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: It's like everyone needs to be quiet so I can focus, 298 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 3: you know, I'm like laughing and joking and you know, 299 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 3: messing around because for me, that's how everything stays loose 300 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 3: and stays in that spirit of play that I think 301 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: it's so important to acting for me. But yeah, it 302 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 3: is something that I think people don't necessarily expect for me. 303 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 4: Uh when before that, before they work with me. 304 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: I love that. I absolutely love that. 305 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's definitely related to starting 306 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: as a kid because people really actively tried to make 307 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 3: work like a play space for me as a kid, 308 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: which was great, and I think it's like, uh, you know, 309 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 3: for me, that's that's what acting is is, you know, 310 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 3: playing pretend. 311 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: That's so cool. I wouldn't have thought about that. 312 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: I guess the sort of motivation for the grown ups 313 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: around you when you were young to gamify work because 314 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: of course they want to make it fun for you, 315 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: because you're just a little thing running around the set. 316 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 317 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: And also like my first movie had things like my 318 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: parents dying in front of me and things that could 319 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 3: be quite scary if you weren't conscious of it being 320 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 3: like pretend. So I think everyone was constantly just like, 321 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 3: it's make believe, we're playing. We're just playing this game, 322 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 3: you know, so that it's not as dramatic. I guess, yeah, 323 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: such how I felt it was serious? 324 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: Such an insane thing that, you know, this job sort 325 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: of asks you to do is suspend disbelief and basically 326 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: just psychologically torture yourself for the hours that you're at work. 327 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 4: Yep. 328 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: What drew you to the project? You know, to make 329 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: your debut in a leading television role. You're you know, 330 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: it's out now on Apple TV. It's so good for 331 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: the friends at home. Oh my god, Like, how how 332 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: did you decide you wanted to lean into a series? 333 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: Was it the team was it the script was it 334 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: kind of a mix of both. 335 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 3: Well, I've been so impressed by how series have been 336 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 3: kind of like the leading art form in exploring characters. 337 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: It's such an incredible luxury to have that kind of 338 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 3: time to go into the detail and nuance of a character. 339 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 4: And Alma as an artist I really. 340 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: Admire and adore, and it was incredible to get to 341 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: be led by her. She's a true visionary and also 342 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 3: an incredible human And it was just extraordinary to be 343 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 3: led by some when so strong, so inspiring, so creative 344 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: every day with positivity and real inspiration. And then these 345 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 3: characters are just to have these two women who are 346 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 3: so complex, who are so interesting and beautifully drawn, and 347 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 3: have them have such similar obstacles, but yet to have 348 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: my character kind of be blind to this woman's obstacles 349 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 3: beside her, they're in these kind of parallel worlds is 350 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 3: maybe one of my greatest fears. You know, that you 351 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: can be so caught up in your own struggle that 352 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: you don't see someone else's right next to you. 353 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, to have to sit with that, I would imagine 354 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: prepping it. You know, you have to create that dissonance 355 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: for this character. But how painful to essentially just not 356 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: see someone else at work every day. Was it a 357 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: surreal thing, you know, to to film the series? Was 358 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: it much longer than you know, a movie is normally for. 359 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 3: You, Yeah, it was. It was really intense. I think 360 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: that was the shock of it. Was the kind of 361 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: stamina both physically and emotionally to make something that's seven 362 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 3: hours long instead of two hours. And it was, you know, 363 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 3: so extreme what we went through every day scene wise, 364 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: I mean, incredibly fulfilling and interesting. But yes, it was 365 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: very sad too that I didn't get to work with 366 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 3: Moses Ingram that much, who I think is just so brilliant. 367 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: She's really like, just the most jaw dropping talent. And 368 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 3: because our characters have this kind of tragedy of you know, 369 00:22:54,560 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: not seeing each other though they're so close physically, you know, 370 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 3: we didn't get that much together. 371 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 4: But I got to see her work. 372 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: In the series, and it's just one of the best 373 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 3: performances I've ever seen. 374 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just so it's the whole thing 375 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: is quite breathtaking. 376 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 4: Thank you. 377 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: How how did it feel, you know when you talk 378 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: about that in the edit? 379 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: Winding up with seven hours versus two how did you 380 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: have to prepare for this show differently than you might 381 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: prepare for a film. 382 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 3: It was very similar to how I would prepare for 383 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: a film, although there was something that was my first 384 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: time doing that Alma introduced me to which is so 385 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: interesting and now I've taken it into every project I've 386 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: done since, which is dream work, where she put me 387 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 3: together with the coach who you talk. 388 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 4: To her about your dreams. 389 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: You start, you know, writing down your dream and you 390 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 3: talked to her about your dreams, and she takes you 391 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 3: through like how it's connected to your character and how 392 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: it's connected to you and brings you and your character 393 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 3: together and really gets you into kind of subconscious really 394 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 3: interesting stuff. So that was something new for me. That 395 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: was a complete revelation. I had never really paid attention 396 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 3: to my dreams at all. And then you start going like, 397 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm ignoring half of my life. You know, 398 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 3: I spent half dreaming and I'm just not even paying 399 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 3: attention to what's going on most of the time. 400 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: Wow, So how long did you do that before starting 401 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: to work? 402 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 4: I did it throughout, like I did it. 403 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: I did it before we started, and then also while 404 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 3: we were while we were working, and. 405 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's incredible. 406 00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: I think Alma also really welcomed our dreams into the story. 407 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 3: So she really incorporated all of our subconscious subconsciousness, subconsciousnesses, 408 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: I don't know what that conshy subconshi into the story 409 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: where she was just kind of it was a beautiful 410 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 3: thing to like kind of welcome everyone's dreams. 411 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: That is so special. I've never heard of anyone doing that. 412 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: And now I'm going to go down a rabbit hole. 413 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 3: It's it's pretty. It's a pretty revelatory tool. 414 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: I bet. 415 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: So will you tell our friends at home, who you know, 416 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: didn't get lucky enough to get an advanced screening link 417 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: about the show and what yeah, maybe a little bit 418 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: about it and what drew you to it? 419 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 3: So, Lady in a Lake is a series that centers 420 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: on two women. One is Cleo played by Moses Ingram, 421 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 3: who is a young mother in Baltimore, trying to make 422 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: ends meet for her children and working in many, many 423 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: different jobs, including some that are you know, uh dubious 424 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 3: to make ends meet, and she ends up the subject 425 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: of a murder unfortunately, that my character Maddie investigates. Maddie 426 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 3: is also a wife and mother in Baltimore during the 427 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: nineteen sixties and kind of breaks out of her life, 428 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 3: tries to go back to her early love of journalism, 429 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 3: and ends up investigating this murder and looking into Cleo's 430 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: life to kind of understand what led her to be 431 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: the Lady in the Lake. 432 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: And I love that well, A. 433 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: I love an amazing story that's based on a book 434 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: because I feel like it's such a rich world to 435 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: mine for details and as you said, character complexity for 436 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: two women like this. And Laura Littman, the author, has 437 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: this quote that I can't stop thinking about. She said 438 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: that she set out to write a novel about a 439 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: woman who wanted to matter. Oh and it just it 440 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: like sucker punched me in the best way in my 441 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: emotional core, because I thought, generationally, we have had so 442 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: many of these stories pass down. You know, this is 443 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: set in the sixties, but it feels incredibly modern in 444 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: that way. And when we talk about where we all 445 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: come from, when we talk about these you know, reckonings 446 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: like we were discussing with times up where people say 447 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: this has gone on for so long, it has to change. 448 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: We are sitting in a moment today where because of 449 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: what's happening in the world, and the rollback of our rights, 450 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: and you know, people saying me too, went too far, 451 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: all of these things that feel so insane. I know, 452 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: the feeling of being in rooms like the ones we 453 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: were referencing before, where women are looking around going but 454 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: we matter, don't we get to matter? And so it 455 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: feels so modern to be exploring that desire to be 456 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: a full human with permission to live a full life. 457 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: Did it feel really resonant for you today to look 458 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: back in on this in the sixties and say, oh, 459 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: the times are different, but I know the struggle. 460 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, that's the joy of historical 461 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: pieces is that with the distance, you have a little 462 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,239 Speaker 3: bit more clarity. Like you can't see the cloud when 463 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 3: you're in the cloud, you know, you can. 464 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 4: Have more perspective on it. 465 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: And yeah, so many things have changed, like, you know, 466 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 3: my character in the show can't sell her car without 467 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 3: her husband's permission, and that's you know, only what fifty 468 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: fifty years ago, sixty years ago, and so so much 469 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 3: has changed, but also so much has not changed. And 470 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 3: I think it's really beautiful what Alma does. There's a 471 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 3: kind of gambling ring in the show where they bet. 472 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 4: On their dreams. 473 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 3: They have these dream books again, the dreams, and they 474 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,239 Speaker 3: have a dream and depending on what dream they have, 475 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: there's a number and then they bet on that number. 476 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 3: And they're literally betting on their dreams. And I think 477 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 3: two women and are betting on their dreams, and it's 478 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: something beautiful and something we can recognize. Now you know 479 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: how much courage it takes to bet on your dream? 480 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean at any sort of stage. I 481 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: think about it now, you know, even when you're talking 482 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: about that, I think, well, yeah, for you as a 483 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: young woman, you know, to say I want to do this, 484 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to pick a career, you know, before junior 485 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: high and from again this vantage point I think about. 486 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: You know, you and your producing partner, Sophie, you founded 487 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: Mountain A in twenty twenty one, right, So why did 488 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: you decide to bet on that dream? Why did you 489 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: decide to start a production company? How has that changed 490 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: your experience at this stage in your career. 491 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: I felt very ready to kind of step into my adulthood, 492 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 3: which maybe is a little late, but I think that 493 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: as an actor you're often infantilized as in a way 494 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: where everyone takes care of everything for you and makes 495 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 3: all the problems go away. And there's a big moment 496 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 3: when you're like, I want to take care of the 497 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 3: problems myself, Like I am ready to be the person 498 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 3: people look to when something goes wrong and I'll fix it. 499 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 4: You know, that's when you're a grown up. 500 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 3: And I was ready to do that, and especially because 501 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 3: I Sophie, who had been my friend for many, many years, 502 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 3: was ready to start her own company at the same time. 503 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 4: So we joined forces. 504 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 3: And it's been so incredible to get to work with 505 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 3: someone I love and respect so much and who's so 506 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 3: good at what she does. And it's been incredible to 507 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 3: get to tell the stories we want to tell and 508 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: work with the artists we admire and you know, help 509 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 3: realize their visions that they have. 510 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be back in just a minute after a 511 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: few words from our favorite sponsors. Well, so for anyone 512 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: at home who wants to work, you know, perhaps in 513 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: form or television, but is looking around going but what 514 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: is a production company? Can you give some folks a 515 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: little inside baseball on what a production company like yours does, 516 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: how you get off the ground, how you even begin 517 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: finding as you said, the projects you're excited to make. 518 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question because producers can do a 519 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 3: lot of different things I mean material and then develop 520 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 3: the material, meaning like maybe you find an article from 521 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 3: the news, or maybe you find a book that you 522 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 3: think is interesting, and then developing it might be finding 523 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 3: a writer or director who will then turn the book 524 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 3: or the article into a script. And then you help 525 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 3: find financing for it so that the project can get made, 526 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 3: or you know, talk to studios or networks about about 527 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 3: making it. 528 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 4: That's another way. 529 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 3: And then once something starts, then you are involved in 530 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 3: every aspect of you know, hiring people, finding locations, supporting 531 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 3: the director, and figuring out how to make the vision 532 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 3: they have for the project. Then after it's filmed, you 533 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 3: work on the edits and you give feedback, you find 534 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 3: distribution if you don't have it already, get it into festivals. 535 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 3: I mean it's really like you have you have a 536 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 3: lot to do at every aspect on the way, and 537 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 3: then if anything goes wrong, you're also like the fixer 538 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 3: of the problems. 539 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 540 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really all encompassing job and I'm used 541 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: to right, Yeah, and I really enjoy it. And I 542 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: also think to myself like there's just not enough time 543 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: in the day for all of the things that I 544 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: want to do and have a hand in and see and. 545 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 2: You know, I want to go down. 546 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: To wardrobe and pick the right blue sweater for that character. 547 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: And it's hard sometimes to you know, make it to 548 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: whatever your version of the sort of mountaintop is on 549 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 1: the project and then realize like, oh, I still can't 550 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: quite do it all. 551 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, it's incredible, and it's incredible to 552 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 3: have partners to share it with. 553 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 4: Also. 554 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 3: I think that that's been something really lucky with Sophie 555 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 3: and Mikaela who also works with us, to you know, 556 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 3: be able to share those kinds. 557 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 4: Of responsibilities because it is it is a lot. 558 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I don't know, I think maybe 559 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: for me, because I enjoy learning, I want to see 560 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: all of it, see everything to make sure I really 561 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm doing and it Yeah, it only gets 562 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: done because there's the ability to sort of run it 563 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: as a relay race. It's it's definitely not an individual sport. 564 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely again. 565 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, and that I think is. 566 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: Why you know, artists and athletes have always had such 567 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: an interesting overlap, is because these are either metaphorically or 568 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 1: literally team sports that were a. 569 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 2: Part of. 570 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: I'm curious, you know, for the production company, your first 571 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: project was May December, which I just thought was so incredible. 572 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you and Julian Moore and Todd Haynes. It's 573 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: such a world that. 574 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: You gave to us. 575 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: And it was fascinating to me seeing the movie based 576 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: on that Mary Kayla Tarno case, because I remember the 577 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: case and the way in having an actor come to 578 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: meet the family. 579 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, oh my god, oh 580 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 2: my god. 581 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: It because it allowed for such inspection through your eyes 582 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: for us as the audience that you would normally never 583 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: get with a national case like that. What stage did 584 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: you see the script? Was it an idea? Was it 585 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 1: fully fleshed out? 586 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 4: It was fully fleshed out. 587 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 3: And Sammy Burt was who wrote it, and it's her 588 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 3: first produced screenplay, which is unbelievable. I mean, she's just 589 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 3: such an incredible writer. But she also, I mean her 590 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 3: kernel of the idea, she said, came thinking like what 591 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 3: happens to that couple twenty years after the scandal when 592 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 3: the spotlight has kind of gone away and then they 593 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 3: have adult kids who go away and they're like empty nesters, 594 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 3: and she just imagined them like alone in their house 595 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 3: in a kind of like haunted way. And I thought 596 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 3: that was such an interesting starting, you know, launching pad 597 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 3: for all of this complicated human stuff that happened. 598 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 2: What an absolute trip. 599 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just thinking about it, even thinking about 600 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: the music. 601 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 4: Oh, the music. 602 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 3: Todd was so brilliant in his choice, I mean in 603 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 3: every choice he made, But the music just gave it 604 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 3: such like specific tone that I don't think anything else 605 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 3: would have signified. You know that it was like okay 606 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 3: to laugh, it was okay to feel sad, it was 607 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 3: okay to feel uncomfortable. 608 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 4: That like, yeah, all of those things could coexist. 609 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it just added. It made my skin crawl 610 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: every time the chords would hit, and I was like, 611 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: they've done it. 612 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 2: They've really done it. What do you want to do next? 613 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: You know, having that come out be such an incredible film. 614 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: People are loving Lady in the Lake. You know, now 615 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: you've got a series ticked off the list. What motivates 616 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: you makes you feel excited, whether it's with Mountaine or 617 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: even in your life, you know, moving forward from today, Yeah, there's. 618 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 3: A lot more at Mountainee that we're working on. We're 619 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 3: working on an animated film, We're working on a musical, 620 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 3: We're working on lots more films and series. So I 621 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 3: think that there's, yeah, we have a lot of exciting 622 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 3: projects coming up. 623 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 4: And then personally, I think that it's really. 624 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, a moment of finding purpose and you know, uh 625 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 3: and service, like trying to to really focus on on 626 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 3: that and how I can can do that more in 627 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 3: my community with my loved ones, you know, really being 628 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 3: present for that. 629 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 4: You know. 630 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 3: I think there's such a shift after forty of like, 631 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 3: you know, doing all this stuff for yourself and then 632 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 3: realizing what you can do for others. 633 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 4: I don't know, it feels like the main focus. 634 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, does that sort of. 635 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: Central focus on service and on community? Do you think 636 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: that's something that helps you feel like that helps you 637 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: feel grounded and sort of rooted. In our industry, that 638 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: often means you have to move somewhere at the drop 639 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: of a hat, relocate for six months. It's very uprooting. 640 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: So do you think the community gives you that? 641 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean there's absolutely like the selfish aspect to service, 642 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 3: which is, you know, how grounding purpose is and how 643 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 3: grounding community is so absolutely like I completely cop to that, 644 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 3: you know, it's not just purely altruistic, like I get 645 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 3: so much out of out of that. 646 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. 647 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: I don't think it's I hear you, but I don't. 648 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: I don't think you need to say that that's, you know, 649 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: a selfish. 650 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 3: Thing, Like it's okay, Like it's a way great that 651 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 3: I get something out of it. 652 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 4: You know. 653 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: That would be my flip for you, is like, hey, 654 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 1: what a cool thing that you're getting so much out 655 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: of community and out of giving rather than just out 656 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: of taking. Like, I don't know, I think to your point, 657 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: whether it's forty or or what aha moment, I think 658 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: such a big life hack, such a beautiful revelation as oh, 659 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm always going to have more joy if I'm outward 660 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: with others than I will be if I'm insular with myself. 661 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,240 Speaker 2: I think I think that's deeply chic. Ma'am. 662 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: Thank you, Yes, I think you deserve that. When we 663 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: think about this really sort of yummy space to be 664 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: where you're making incredible work, you have incredible purpose in 665 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: your life, you have incredible kids. You're looking ahead at 666 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: what brings you joy. You're finding play. It sounds like 667 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: such a well deserved, nice place to have your feet 668 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:30,720 Speaker 1: in the ground. 669 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 2: What feels like you're work in progress? 670 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 4: Oh so much, so much. 671 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 3: I think, I think to cultivate that service, to cultivate joy. 672 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 4: I don't think those are like well. 673 00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,720 Speaker 3: Practiced enough for me, like there, I'm to be conscious 674 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 3: of them, and so yes, those are you know, my 675 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 3: conscious like what I'm working at. 676 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 4: What about you me? 677 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you know, I think similarly to what you 678 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,760 Speaker 1: were saying earlier, figuring out how to how to live 679 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: at my core for myself. It might sound so silly 680 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,760 Speaker 1: to people listening, but it really was a shock going 681 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: from being raised, you know, to be like a good 682 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: daughter of immigrants and a good girl and a good 683 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: girl on set and a good soldier at work, and 684 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: someone who could smile through anything that was happening to 685 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: keep the ship moving for everyone on it. You know, 686 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: to actually ask yourself, what do I want? Where do 687 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 1: I find joy? And wait long enough until your inner 688 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 1: self can talk back to you is pretty It's a 689 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 1: seismic kind of shift. And so for me, figuring out 690 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: how to maintain that relationship with myself, with my highest self, 691 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: my you know in er knowing how you're calling whatever 692 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: you want to call it, to maintain that sort of 693 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: communication while being the person who does like to you know, 694 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: research nerdy data science and wants to know what's going 695 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: on and wants to figure out what we're going to 696 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 1: do about, you know, fighting for women and fighting for 697 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: disadvantaged peoples and et cetera, et cetera. Like I think 698 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,840 Speaker 1: my work in progress is really beginning to sort of 699 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: toddler stomp my way into learning to show up for 700 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: myself in the way that I tend to show up 701 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: just for other people. 702 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 4: Mmmm. 703 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 3: That is very very eloquently put. That is beautiful. 704 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 2: Thanks. 705 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: It's it's a word in progress for sure, but we're 706 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 1: getting there. We're getting there, and certainly more to come 707 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: on that. Well, thank you for today. You are always 708 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: such a joy. 709 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 2: I like a part. 710 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: I like a follow up interview so I can just 711 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: really get in the weeds of what's in the moment 712 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: with you and we don't have to do the full 713 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: overview despite it being a lovely overview. 714 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 3: You. 715 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for taking the time and for 716 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 4: having me back. Yeah, and I'll talk to you soon. 717 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 4: That's y. 718 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 2: I would love it.