WEBVTT - DEBUNKED: GUN CONTROL LIES 0:00:11.657 --> 0:00:14.937 You're listening to the Buck Sexton Chow podcast, make sure 0:00:14.937 --> 0:00:17.937 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 0:00:17.977 --> 0:00:31.097 wherever you get your podcasts. A number of recent mass 0:00:31.097 --> 0:00:33.857 shootings have caused the left to renew their efforts to 0:00:33.897 --> 0:00:36.857 implement new gun control laws around the country that includes 0:00:36.897 --> 0:00:40.457 red flag laws, universal background checks, and even calls for 0:00:40.497 --> 0:00:42.497 a band on assault weapons. But do any of these 0:00:42.577 --> 0:00:45.657 laws actually work the way they're intended? On the special 0:00:45.777 --> 0:00:48.337 edition of Hold the Line will examine the left's latest 0:00:48.337 --> 0:00:51.337 calls for new gun restrictions and bust some of the 0:00:51.457 --> 0:01:02.257 myths of gun control. Welcome to the special edition of 0:01:02.297 --> 0:01:08.217 Hold the Line. I'm Buck Sexton. This is the usual rhythm. 0:01:08.257 --> 0:01:11.497 This is, unfortunately the psych that we go through after 0:01:11.537 --> 0:01:16.137 a horrific mass shooting in this country. Democrats start immediately 0:01:16.297 --> 0:01:19.577 shouting about gun control, and I do mean shouting. They're 0:01:19.737 --> 0:01:22.017 angry at anybody who does not want to go along 0:01:22.017 --> 0:01:28.057 with these policies. They immediately forget all about the myriad 0:01:28.217 --> 0:01:31.617 laws out there with regard to gun purchasing, gun transfer, 0:01:31.617 --> 0:01:35.777 where kind of guns you can have, fl's background checks, 0:01:35.897 --> 0:01:38.657 all of this. They pretend like it doesn't exist and 0:01:38.657 --> 0:01:40.177 that there's some kind of a free for all, like 0:01:40.217 --> 0:01:43.297 we're living in some other period in our history. Just 0:01:43.337 --> 0:01:44.777 get a gun, go wherever you want with it, and 0:01:44.857 --> 0:01:49.537 nothing matters. It's dishonest, it's wrong. But there's a lot 0:01:49.577 --> 0:01:55.697 of emotional impulse that they use to mobilize people to 0:01:55.817 --> 0:01:59.017 call for this gun control. Joe Biden, for example, just 0:01:59.057 --> 0:02:02.297 saying this, we need to do something about guns. Watch 0:02:02.777 --> 0:02:07.697 this time we have to take the time to do something, 0:02:07.697 --> 0:02:10.857 and this time it's time for the in it to 0:02:11.017 --> 0:02:16.137 do something. Do what? That's always the question that we 0:02:16.137 --> 0:02:18.657 should run anounce. Okay, do do what. We already have 0:02:18.777 --> 0:02:21.457 background checks, so we need universal background checks. Really do 0:02:21.497 --> 0:02:26.817 we think that increasing background checks to private individuals and 0:02:26.857 --> 0:02:29.857 engaged in a private sale of their own property that's 0:02:29.857 --> 0:02:32.777 going to stop shootings? Really? Do we think that's going 0:02:32.857 --> 0:02:34.697 to work? We don't think that's also just going to 0:02:34.777 --> 0:02:37.257 harass a lot of people who are selling their own 0:02:37.297 --> 0:02:40.577 property to somebody else. Is that how many shootings is 0:02:40.697 --> 0:02:42.257 going to stop? I'm just wondering. I think we should 0:02:42.257 --> 0:02:44.817 ask these questions. I think it's worth at least getting 0:02:44.857 --> 0:02:47.817 into it and then banning assault weapons. Assault weapons are 0:02:47.897 --> 0:02:52.217 used in less than five percent. Some would say less 0:02:52.217 --> 0:02:54.777 than two or three percent. I think of all shootings 0:02:54.817 --> 0:02:58.337 across the country, very very small percentage of shootings. But 0:02:58.577 --> 0:03:00.737 Vice President Harris, for example, it is calling for an 0:03:00.737 --> 0:03:03.177 assault weapons ban because she says, we know it works. 0:03:04.417 --> 0:03:09.497 We are not sitting around waiting to figure out. We're 0:03:09.497 --> 0:03:12.977 not looking a vaccine. We know what works on this 0:03:14.297 --> 0:03:17.537 It includes let's have an assault weapon span. You know 0:03:17.577 --> 0:03:21.057 what an assault weapon is. You know how an assault 0:03:21.057 --> 0:03:24.897 weapon was designed. It was designed for a specific purpose 0:03:25.817 --> 0:03:33.697 to kill a lot of human beings quickly. They don't 0:03:33.737 --> 0:03:37.537 know what works actually, And these are the same Democrats, 0:03:37.577 --> 0:03:40.137 by the way, who think that we're all going to 0:03:40.177 --> 0:03:44.177 be safer if we just don't punish criminals, including violent 0:03:44.217 --> 0:03:47.817 criminals very much, that if we have progressive prosecutors, if 0:03:47.857 --> 0:03:51.817 we have defunding of police, if we take social justice 0:03:51.937 --> 0:03:57.377 over criminal justice as our mantra, that will be better 0:03:57.417 --> 0:03:59.657 off as a society, safer as a society. We've seen 0:03:59.737 --> 0:04:02.017 that's not true. You're thirty percent spike and homicides in 0:04:02.097 --> 0:04:05.337 twenty twenty nationwide. You have some of the most violent 0:04:05.377 --> 0:04:09.217 ears in recorded history for dozens of city across the country. 0:04:09.697 --> 0:04:13.737 So they don't actually know how to stop violence, gun violence, 0:04:13.897 --> 0:04:16.577 you name it, but they keep saying they do. And 0:04:16.617 --> 0:04:21.577 then there are some abject morons like Congressman Swollwell who 0:04:21.577 --> 0:04:24.977 says things like this, So, I think we've debunked the 0:04:25.097 --> 0:04:29.017 idea that the answer to a killer with an assault 0:04:29.097 --> 0:04:33.337 rifle is to have more quote unquote good guys with guns. 0:04:34.577 --> 0:04:37.177 The good guys with guns are outgunned by the bad 0:04:37.217 --> 0:04:42.857 guys that we've given guns in our country. What is 0:04:42.857 --> 0:04:44.777 he even talking about. First of all, no one thinks that, 0:04:44.857 --> 0:04:47.217 no one who knows anything has that been debunked. And 0:04:47.337 --> 0:04:51.137 there are many shootings every year that are either stopped 0:04:51.137 --> 0:04:54.857 in progress from being a mass casualty event or stopped 0:04:54.937 --> 0:04:58.497 from becoming a casualty event at all because of somebody 0:04:58.537 --> 0:05:01.377 who did have a lawful firem who's able to bring 0:05:01.377 --> 0:05:04.297 it to bear in the situation. But look, here's what 0:05:04.337 --> 0:05:07.177 we have to do, because this is a national conversation, 0:05:07.457 --> 0:05:12.377 and the Democrats are insisting, let's have a discussion, let's 0:05:12.417 --> 0:05:14.937 look at what they want, and then we will debunk 0:05:15.337 --> 0:05:19.097 gun control myths. We'll go through this with real experts 0:05:19.137 --> 0:05:23.097 on the subject. We'll address each of the primary policy 0:05:23.137 --> 0:05:26.257 proposals of the Democrats and we'll see what we actually are. 0:05:27.257 --> 0:05:29.937 All right, let's do it. We come back. 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Seems fairly simple, the right of 0:07:28.777 --> 0:07:31.417 the people to keep in bear arms shall not be infringed. 0:07:31.817 --> 0:07:35.057 But many proponents of gun control seating quite differently. So 0:07:35.057 --> 0:07:37.817 I'm arguing that the right only applies to people in 0:07:37.857 --> 0:07:42.057 the context of a government regulated militia. So is membership 0:07:42.097 --> 0:07:46.817 in a state sanctioned militia a prerequisite for owning a firearm? 0:07:46.897 --> 0:07:49.737 Join me now just spell some of the myths around 0:07:49.897 --> 0:07:53.577 the gun grabbing movement. Is the editor of bearing arms 0:07:53.657 --> 0:07:55.977 dot Com, Cam Eledwards. Cam thanks for being with us 0:07:56.777 --> 0:07:59.737 absolutely bug, thanks much for the invite. So Cam, we'll 0:07:59.737 --> 0:08:01.897 get to the well regulated part a moment here, but 0:08:01.977 --> 0:08:06.217 let's start with the notion of the militia. The militia 0:08:06.217 --> 0:08:09.937 component here, just as James Mcreynold's writing the Court's Opinion 0:08:10.137 --> 0:08:14.337 nineteen thirty nine, USB Miller defined the militia as he 0:08:14.537 --> 0:08:16.697 debates in the Convention of the History and Legislation of 0:08:16.697 --> 0:08:19.937 Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators show 0:08:20.017 --> 0:08:23.017 plainly enough the militia comprised all males physically capable of 0:08:23.017 --> 0:08:26.777 acting in concert for the common defense. So what do 0:08:26.817 --> 0:08:30.297 you make of what we know here of the history 0:08:30.457 --> 0:08:33.297 of this as well as the reality, the constitutional reality 0:08:33.377 --> 0:08:36.697 of the second Amendments. Yeah, so, I mean you can 0:08:36.737 --> 0:08:39.657 get even more specific, right, because there's the organized militia 0:08:39.697 --> 0:08:44.097 and there's the unorganized militia. The unorganized militia is basically 0:08:44.457 --> 0:08:47.257 us right as the body of the American people according 0:08:47.297 --> 0:08:49.857 to US Code, it's males between the ages of I 0:08:49.817 --> 0:08:53.817 believe seventeen and sixty five comprise the unorganized militia. But 0:08:54.017 --> 0:08:57.817 I think a fair reading of the unorganized militia today 0:08:57.977 --> 0:09:02.097 is basically the body of people capable of burying arms 0:09:02.137 --> 0:09:05.337 in either defense of themselves or the state if necessary. 0:09:05.537 --> 0:09:11.177 We the people are the militia served well regularly. Someone 0:09:11.217 --> 0:09:14.697 the anti gun, anti gun movement will say that that 0:09:14.737 --> 0:09:19.817 phrase empowers the federal government to regular militias. Justice Scalia though, 0:09:19.857 --> 0:09:22.697 to find well regulated in dcv. Heller as the objective 0:09:22.697 --> 0:09:26.577 well regulated implies nothing more than the imposition of proper 0:09:26.577 --> 0:09:30.177 discipline and training. But what do you make of well? 0:09:30.217 --> 0:09:32.617 I think Justice Scalia had a right. But again, what 0:09:32.657 --> 0:09:36.537 we're talking about here is a well regulated militia, right, 0:09:36.697 --> 0:09:40.937 not a well regulated body of people, not a well 0:09:41.057 --> 0:09:44.537 regulated group of gun owners. What this basically means is 0:09:44.577 --> 0:09:47.897 that in the service of a militia, Absolutely you want 0:09:47.937 --> 0:09:51.577 those militia members to have training, to have some sort 0:09:51.617 --> 0:09:54.257 of experience where the firearms and the equipment that they're 0:09:54.257 --> 0:09:57.737 going to be using. But does that mean that every 0:09:57.817 --> 0:10:01.337 regulation that a gun control advocated wants to propose is 0:10:01.337 --> 0:10:02.777 all of a sudden going to comport with a Second 0:10:02.777 --> 0:10:05.497 Amendment because the Second Ament has the word regulated in it. 0:10:05.817 --> 0:10:09.017 Of course not. And that's the type of misreading of 0:10:09.057 --> 0:10:12.657 the Second Amendment that we've been seen frankly for decades now. 0:10:13.897 --> 0:10:16.577 And cam Let's talk also about the argument. You'll sometimes 0:10:16.617 --> 0:10:22.217 hear that that the Constitution would only protect the firearms 0:10:22.257 --> 0:10:24.457 in usage at that time. You know, I know that 0:10:24.537 --> 0:10:26.417 this is this is not as common as some of 0:10:26.417 --> 0:10:28.897 the other arguments. People say, well, fine, you're allowed to 0:10:28.937 --> 0:10:30.857 have a musket as part of a militia. What do 0:10:30.897 --> 0:10:33.977 you say to that? Sure, and I guess journalists are 0:10:33.977 --> 0:10:36.777 allowed to have quill pens and printing presses, right, because 0:10:36.857 --> 0:10:39.657 the First Amendment could never apply to any sort of 0:10:39.657 --> 0:10:42.577 means a communication that weren't around in seventeen eighty seven 0:10:42.617 --> 0:10:45.457 or seventeen ninety one. I mean, look, this is ridiculous, 0:10:45.457 --> 0:10:48.137 and frankly, the Supreme Court has addressed this as well, 0:10:48.777 --> 0:10:51.577 first in the Heller decision and then even more explicitly 0:10:51.897 --> 0:10:54.257 in a procurium opinion that was handed down. Surely, after 0:10:54.297 --> 0:10:58.457 Justice Stanton as Galia passed away case called Katano versus Massachusetts, 0:10:58.697 --> 0:11:01.417 and the state of Massachusetts had banned stun guns, and 0:11:01.457 --> 0:11:03.697 they claimed that stun guns weren't protected by the second 0:11:03.697 --> 0:11:06.137 maybe because electronic weapons weren't around at the time of 0:11:06.217 --> 0:11:10.577 the founding. The Supreme Court said, no, that's not the standard. 0:11:10.617 --> 0:11:13.377 That's not the test arms that are in common use 0:11:14.017 --> 0:11:17.657 for a variety of lawful purposes are prima facie protected 0:11:18.097 --> 0:11:22.177 by the Second Amendment, and so that would include semi 0:11:22.177 --> 0:11:25.537 automatic firems. Somebody include lever action rifles. I also find 0:11:25.537 --> 0:11:28.297 an odd buck that they stick to this when it 0:11:28.337 --> 0:11:32.617 comes to modern sporting rifles. Nobody ever says, well, you know, 0:11:32.697 --> 0:11:35.737 revolvers weren't around when the Second Amendment was ratified, so 0:11:35.857 --> 0:11:40.257 revolvers can't be protected. They use this argument specifically to 0:11:40.297 --> 0:11:42.737 go after the guns that they're trying to ban. At 0:11:42.777 --> 0:11:45.777 this point, their argument, as you say, taken to his 0:11:45.817 --> 0:11:48.257 logical conclusion, would be that you can't own anything other 0:11:48.297 --> 0:11:51.537 than a perhaps a brace of single fire pistols, a 0:11:51.657 --> 0:11:56.057 muzzleloading rifle, maybe a blunderbuss. And again, that's just not 0:11:56.177 --> 0:12:01.057 how we treat any of our rights. As technology progresses, 0:12:01.097 --> 0:12:06.377 as time moves on, those rights remain sacrosanct, even though 0:12:06.497 --> 0:12:09.617 the tools that we might be using, you know, change 0:12:09.777 --> 0:12:12.817 from our grandfather's day. Yes, and as cool as a 0:12:12.857 --> 0:12:16.897 blunderbuss may look, it is not the most reliable firearm 0:12:16.977 --> 0:12:19.457 to be using, especially if one has to defend oneself. 0:12:19.857 --> 0:12:22.977 Throwing that one out there, you mentioned a DCV Heller, 0:12:23.057 --> 0:12:26.257 and also the idea of common usage that obviously comes 0:12:26.337 --> 0:12:29.977 up cam now because of the huge push. I think 0:12:30.017 --> 0:12:34.177 the primary push we're seeing from the gun grabbers is 0:12:34.817 --> 0:12:38.937 that is the assault weapons ban issue. And this this 0:12:39.017 --> 0:12:42.457 goes a little bit away from our constitutional analysis. But Biden, 0:12:42.497 --> 0:12:46.577 for example, we'll say we know that that work, and 0:12:46.657 --> 0:12:48.817 so we know that if we do that again, it 0:12:48.857 --> 0:12:53.137 will work again. For one thing, I want, I want 0:12:53.137 --> 0:12:55.377 to know what you think of the claim that the 0:12:55.417 --> 0:12:58.657 assault weapons ban of nineteen ninety three I believe, or 0:12:58.697 --> 0:13:03.097 nineteen eighty four that it worked. And the other part 0:13:03.097 --> 0:13:05.737 of this is if a R fifteen is the most 0:13:05.737 --> 0:13:08.057 common rifle owned in America, which I believe they are, 0:13:08.377 --> 0:13:11.697 and DCV Heller says, common usage is the standard for 0:13:11.817 --> 0:13:15.377 firearms ownership, how can they ban something that's the most 0:13:15.377 --> 0:13:20.257 common rifle that's obviously in common usage. Sorry, I'm throwing two. Yeah, 0:13:20.377 --> 0:13:22.257 So I'll answer the second question first, and that is 0:13:22.297 --> 0:13:24.697 the sort of sixty four million dollar question, right, how 0:13:24.737 --> 0:13:27.017 can you ban some they look, there are more AR 0:13:27.097 --> 0:13:30.457 fifteens in the hands of American citizens. There are four 0:13:30.577 --> 0:13:33.577 f one fifty pickup trucks on American roads. Right, the 0:13:33.817 --> 0:13:36.257 AR fifteen is in common use, and I think that 0:13:36.417 --> 0:13:40.577 is the biggest barrier to an acting a nationwide gun band. Now, 0:13:40.657 --> 0:13:43.777 the appellate courts around the country that have upheld quote 0:13:43.817 --> 0:13:46.697 unquote to soberban bands in places like Maryland and California 0:13:46.737 --> 0:13:50.777 have used different arguments, but basically they come down on 0:13:50.817 --> 0:13:53.697 the side that, well, these arms are actually covered by 0:13:53.737 --> 0:13:56.257 the Second Amendment. The Fourth Circuit, which covers Virginia where 0:13:56.257 --> 0:14:01.777 I live, ruled egregiously that because AR fifteens are like 0:14:02.457 --> 0:14:06.457 machine guns and that they look like them, that they 0:14:06.497 --> 0:14:13.017 are covered under Justice Gale is a comment in Heller about, 0:14:13.617 --> 0:14:16.217 you know, this decision shouldn't cast any doubt on long 0:14:16.257 --> 0:14:18.817 stead and prohibitions against you know, ownership of machine guns 0:14:18.857 --> 0:14:22.737 and the like. So again you've seen the courts abuse 0:14:22.977 --> 0:14:26.737 and misread what the Supreme Court has said in order 0:14:26.737 --> 0:14:28.697 to try to uphold this band on what is a 0:14:28.737 --> 0:14:32.897 commonly owned firearm. Now, as for the efficacy of Biden's 0:14:32.937 --> 0:14:35.937 gun band back of the nineteen nineties, you know, he 0:14:36.057 --> 0:14:38.897 is talking about one specific study that used one very 0:14:39.017 --> 0:14:42.977 narrow definition of what constitutes a quote unquote match shooting, right, 0:14:42.977 --> 0:14:45.737 and that was I believe a shooting in which six 0:14:45.817 --> 0:14:48.657 or more people are killed or injured. If you were 0:14:48.697 --> 0:14:50.457 to change that dynamic, if you were to lower the 0:14:50.537 --> 0:14:53.537 number to five, for example, from six, all of a sudden, 0:14:53.537 --> 0:14:57.337 the statistics change. But what we do know overall is 0:14:57.377 --> 0:15:00.897 that any homicide in which a rifle is used is 0:15:00.937 --> 0:15:03.217 a pretty rare event. In the United States. There are 0:15:03.217 --> 0:15:05.377 actually more people who are killed, according to the FBI 0:15:05.417 --> 0:15:09.297 Uniform Crime Report, with fists and feet than with a 0:15:09.417 --> 0:15:12.177 rifle of any kind in any given year. So the 0:15:12.257 --> 0:15:15.057 idea that we're going to focus on this one particular 0:15:15.057 --> 0:15:17.337 firearm that isn't used in a lot of crime and 0:15:17.497 --> 0:15:20.097 think that it is going to make an impact on 0:15:20.537 --> 0:15:24.737 violent crime nationwide, I think is absolutely absurd. This is, 0:15:24.937 --> 0:15:27.337 I believe, pardon parcel of the gun control advocates and 0:15:27.337 --> 0:15:30.617 the anti gun democrats plan again to try to turn 0:15:30.657 --> 0:15:34.497 our segment right into a privilege. Damn. Let's look at 0:15:34.497 --> 0:15:37.697 some more of the gun control policies and some of 0:15:37.737 --> 0:15:39.817 the myths that they are based on when we come 0:15:39.817 --> 0:15:44.257 back here in a second. The recent mass shootings in Buffalo, 0:15:44.417 --> 0:15:47.217 New York, and Uvalde, Texas have led both Democrat and 0:15:47.297 --> 0:15:51.057 some Republican lawmakers to propose new gun control measures. Tam 0:15:51.177 --> 0:15:52.857 Edwards is going to return with this in a moment 0:15:52.857 --> 0:15:54.457 to take a look at what the new laws would 0:15:54.457 --> 0:15:56.977 mean and how effective they'd be, if effective at all, 0:15:57.337 --> 0:16:08.617 We return with this special edition of Hold the Line. 0:16:15.257 --> 0:16:19.297 We intend to do. Raise the age to buy weapons 0:16:19.337 --> 0:16:24.177 of war, restrict access to ghost guns, outlaw high capacity magazines, 0:16:24.577 --> 0:16:28.497 banned civilian bump stock sales, cracked down on gun trafficking, 0:16:28.817 --> 0:16:33.497 and advanced safegun storage. Recent shootings in Buffalo, New York 0:16:33.497 --> 0:16:35.817 and you've all the Texas have led the federal lawmakers 0:16:35.857 --> 0:16:38.297 to propose a whole host of new gun control measures. 0:16:38.337 --> 0:16:42.537 As Nancy Pelosi was just describing. There, one proposal seems 0:16:42.537 --> 0:16:45.577 to be gaining bipartisan support, or so called red flag laws, 0:16:45.777 --> 0:16:48.297 which allow law enforcem to confiscate the firearms with people 0:16:48.497 --> 0:16:51.297 deemed to be a threat to themselves or others by 0:16:51.377 --> 0:16:54.257 a court. Join me now again, is the editor of 0:16:54.457 --> 0:16:56.657 Pairing Arms. Cam Edwards. Caam, good to have you back, 0:16:56.897 --> 0:17:01.737 take us through this red flag laws? Have they worked? 0:17:01.977 --> 0:17:04.777 Would they work? What are the problems as you see 0:17:04.817 --> 0:17:09.417 it with them? All? Right? So have they worked? First 0:17:09.417 --> 0:17:12.497 of all, it's really hard to prove that the presence 0:17:12.497 --> 0:17:16.057 of a flag law prevented a crime from occurring, right, 0:17:16.137 --> 0:17:18.137 It's hard even for advocates to say, well, if we 0:17:18.217 --> 0:17:21.657 hadn't had this, then X would have happened. But the 0:17:21.777 --> 0:17:24.577 one study that I keep hearing advocates of red flag 0:17:24.657 --> 0:17:27.817 laws site is a study of Connecticut's red flag law 0:17:27.897 --> 0:17:31.097 in terms of reducing suicides, and they say that for 0:17:32.337 --> 0:17:36.097 somewhere between every ten to twenty firearms that were seized, 0:17:36.177 --> 0:17:38.137 or I should say every ten to twenty red flag 0:17:38.177 --> 0:17:44.097 petitions that were initiated, one suicide was prevented, which means 0:17:44.137 --> 0:17:48.057 at best maybe a ten percent reduction in the number 0:17:48.097 --> 0:17:52.897 of suicides for every person who was disarmed. So my 0:17:52.977 --> 0:17:54.977 question then becomes, well, what happened to those other nine 0:17:55.017 --> 0:17:58.057 to nineteen people? Do they go on to commit suicide 0:17:58.057 --> 0:18:01.217 by another means? Or were they not dangerous to begin with? 0:18:02.057 --> 0:18:04.377 You know, this is one of the issues that I 0:18:04.457 --> 0:18:06.937 have here, Buck, is that red flag laws, we are 0:18:06.977 --> 0:18:11.897 told are designed to keep danger people from doing dangerous things. 0:18:12.777 --> 0:18:15.977 But under every red flag law that I've seen an effect. 0:18:16.817 --> 0:18:19.737 What happens is someone is deemed by a judge to 0:18:19.737 --> 0:18:22.297 be dangerous. There may or may not be in a 0:18:22.337 --> 0:18:25.457 medical evaluation. Most of the time there's not there's a 0:18:25.537 --> 0:18:28.697 lowered standard of evidence that needs to be presented by 0:18:28.697 --> 0:18:31.457 the prosecutor. And then once a judge says, yeah, we 0:18:31.497 --> 0:18:35.457 believe that person's dangerous, they take their legally owned firearms 0:18:35.657 --> 0:18:39.937 and they leave the dangerous person alone with their knives, 0:18:40.297 --> 0:18:43.217 with their pills, with their cans of gasoline, and their 0:18:43.217 --> 0:18:46.977 matches and their car keys. It doesn't actually do anything 0:18:47.017 --> 0:18:51.377 to address the individual. This is a gun control proposal 0:18:51.577 --> 0:18:54.137 that mask raids as a sort of mental health bill. 0:18:55.417 --> 0:18:57.857 Most red flag laws do not have any mental health proponent, 0:18:57.937 --> 0:19:01.857 proposals or components to them whatsoever. And that's by design 0:19:01.937 --> 0:19:05.897 because that's expensive, right to actually institutionalize somebody to ensure 0:19:05.897 --> 0:19:07.297 that they're getting the treatment that they need so that 0:19:07.297 --> 0:19:09.897 they're not in crisis and not truly a danger to themselves, 0:19:09.937 --> 0:19:14.417 or there's that cost money, and it's easier. It's simpler 0:19:14.737 --> 0:19:18.377 to simply, you know, red flag someone and claim that 0:19:18.377 --> 0:19:21.857 you've addressed the problem. So that's one issue that I have. 0:19:22.017 --> 0:19:24.817 I have due process concerns with red flag laws, but 0:19:24.897 --> 0:19:28.377 I also worry about the unintended consequences. You know, I've 0:19:28.377 --> 0:19:30.857 been talking to a lot of secondment advocates around the 0:19:30.897 --> 0:19:32.817 country over the past week, and one of the common 0:19:32.857 --> 0:19:35.297 concerns that I've heard from people in states that have 0:19:35.737 --> 0:19:38.657 expansive red flag laws that allow almost anybody to initiate 0:19:38.697 --> 0:19:43.577 these petitions is that it actually stops people from seeking help. 0:19:44.537 --> 0:19:47.097 So you may have had somebody who you know is 0:19:47.097 --> 0:19:50.177 going through a painful divorce, or maybe they just lost 0:19:50.217 --> 0:19:52.417 a spouse or a loved one or somebody they want 0:19:52.497 --> 0:19:56.337 to talk to somebody exactly right, and they want to 0:19:56.337 --> 0:19:58.617 talk to somebody, and they look, they're they're not suicidal, 0:19:59.257 --> 0:20:01.817 they're not a danger, but they are gun owners, and 0:20:01.857 --> 0:20:05.497 they're really concerned that some over zealous counselor is going 0:20:05.537 --> 0:20:07.417 to say, oh, my gosh, okay, so you're you're talking 0:20:07.417 --> 0:20:10.457 about depression and you own guns. We've got to get 0:20:10.497 --> 0:20:13.337 those guns away from you. And they're concerned about people 0:20:13.337 --> 0:20:17.337 who are actively going to withdraw from treatment or not 0:20:17.417 --> 0:20:20.777 seek out treatment because they're afraid that they're going to 0:20:20.817 --> 0:20:22.937 get caught up in one of these red flag laws. 0:20:22.937 --> 0:20:27.697 We need to be working towards destigmatizing getting mental health help. 0:20:27.737 --> 0:20:30.937 We need to be working towards encouraging people to reach 0:20:30.977 --> 0:20:34.097 out when they need help. And I just I can't 0:20:34.137 --> 0:20:35.817 help but think that these red flag laws are going 0:20:35.857 --> 0:20:37.817 to take us down a road we don't want to 0:20:37.857 --> 0:20:40.617 go down. Another measure, and I think it's based at 0:20:40.657 --> 0:20:42.577 some level on the myth that a lot of people 0:20:42.577 --> 0:20:45.697 believe that we don't have a lot of background checks. 0:20:45.737 --> 0:20:47.617 I mean millions and millions and millions of them being 0:20:47.697 --> 0:20:50.657 run all the time. A measure that seems to be 0:20:50.697 --> 0:20:56.217 getting some traction, including among some Republicans, is universal background check. 0:20:56.337 --> 0:20:59.257 That's the phrase, it's always used. Here's what Pennsylvania Centator 0:20:59.297 --> 0:21:04.017 Pat Toomey said recently. Is your proposal to expand background 0:21:04.137 --> 0:21:09.897 checks still in it? Well, I certainly hope we're going 0:21:09.937 --> 0:21:13.337 to have an expansion of background checks. You know, Senator 0:21:13.337 --> 0:21:14.817 Mansion and I have been working on this for a 0:21:14.857 --> 0:21:18.577 long time, and we've tried to establish that at least 0:21:18.577 --> 0:21:21.737 for commercial sales of firearms there ought to be a 0:21:21.777 --> 0:21:24.817 background check. So sales at gun shows, sales that are 0:21:24.817 --> 0:21:28.857 advertised over the internet. Okay, so Ken, you know this 0:21:28.937 --> 0:21:30.937 is we hear this all the time, so please walk 0:21:30.977 --> 0:21:34.457 us through this. Are there commercial sales where there isn't 0:21:34.457 --> 0:21:38.697 a background check? Let's start with that. Yeah, no, And 0:21:38.817 --> 0:21:41.577 I'm confused why Pat Toomey would try to cloud this 0:21:41.617 --> 0:21:45.177 issue here. So, no, every commercial sale of a firearm 0:21:45.497 --> 0:21:47.417 it needs to go through a background check. But again, 0:21:47.457 --> 0:21:50.257 if you're a private gun owner who is selling a 0:21:50.297 --> 0:21:54.537 firearm from their personal collection, that's not a commercial sale. Right. 0:21:54.617 --> 0:21:57.897 Once you are engaged in the commercial business of selling 0:21:58.017 --> 0:22:00.657 or buying firearms, you were required under federal law to 0:22:00.657 --> 0:22:04.457 get a federal firearms license. When we talk about universal 0:22:04.457 --> 0:22:06.897 background checks, what we are talking about again are those 0:22:06.977 --> 0:22:10.777 private sales from individual gun owners. And I'll be honest 0:22:10.817 --> 0:22:14.057 with you, Buck, whether or not you think everybody who 0:22:14.217 --> 0:22:16.537 buys a gun should go through a background check, A 0:22:16.697 --> 0:22:20.977 universal background check law does nothing to prevent violent crime 0:22:21.177 --> 0:22:25.697 because it is impossible to proactively enforce. How do law 0:22:25.777 --> 0:22:29.217 enforcement know if I'm going to sell my gun to 0:22:29.377 --> 0:22:32.777 my neighbor. They don't know. At best, this is something 0:22:32.777 --> 0:22:35.217 that would be discovered after a crime has been committed, 0:22:35.577 --> 0:22:37.737 and then you can go back and charge the original seller. 0:22:38.537 --> 0:22:41.337 But at that point, you know, again the damage has 0:22:41.337 --> 0:22:44.897 already been done. And frankly, states also have laws can 0:22:44.977 --> 0:22:47.297 where you can loan you know, if you if your 0:22:47.337 --> 0:22:49.097 brother in law wants to go hunting, you can give 0:22:49.137 --> 0:22:51.937 your shotgun as long as he's not a prohibited possessor 0:22:52.257 --> 0:22:55.217 to that individual. To go right, aren't there situations like 0:22:55.257 --> 0:22:59.097 that that are covered under the law that are lawful? Oh? Absolutely? 0:22:59.297 --> 0:23:03.137 I mean again, that's listen to the status quo. The 0:23:03.177 --> 0:23:06.777 gold standard is it's your property. You know. Again, as 0:23:06.777 --> 0:23:08.977 long as you're not breaking the law, as long as 0:23:09.017 --> 0:23:11.417 you're not knowingly arming feminals, that your property. To do 0:23:11.457 --> 0:23:14.177 with what you want? Uh? What? What? Again? What the 0:23:14.217 --> 0:23:15.977 Democrats are trying to do? Here is up in that 0:23:16.697 --> 0:23:23.137 and here here's here's President Biden on the This is 0:23:23.137 --> 0:23:24.697 another one that comes up with all this, the gun 0:23:24.777 --> 0:23:27.897 show loophole. Why the question now is what will the 0:23:27.937 --> 0:23:32.057 Congress do? House representatives already passed key measures we need, 0:23:32.777 --> 0:23:36.817 expanding background checks to cover nearly all gun sales, including 0:23:36.857 --> 0:23:41.537 at gun shows and online sales. Getting rid of the 0:23:41.537 --> 0:23:44.737 loophole allows a gun sale to go through after three 0:23:44.777 --> 0:23:48.937