Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio Final Hour on this Thursday, Dan and The
Speaker 1: Dan's Stan Patrick Show. If you missed the conversation with
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter, I encourage you to go to Dan Patrick
Speaker 1: dot com. Had a spirited back and forth why that
Speaker 1: information came out on Draft Day. I thought something was imminent.
Speaker 1: I thought it was here's the information, and Adam said,
Speaker 1: according to league sources, team sources, it was an accumulation
Speaker 1: of information. But still didn't find out exactly why he
Speaker 1: dropped the information on Draft Day. And I don't know
Speaker 1: where we are right now with Aaron Rodgers because Aaron's
Speaker 1: not talking. Packers still try to want to keep him
Speaker 1: in the building, but I think we're pretty far down
Speaker 1: the road. And I think at the beginning of June
Speaker 1: that's when that cap hit is not as penetrating, and
Speaker 1: that's when it looks like he would be at least
Speaker 1: on the trading block. Until then, you're not going to
Speaker 1: trade him. You're probably receiving phone calls here. I'm going
Speaker 1: to imagine if I'm the Broncos, I'm calling. If I'm
Speaker 1: the Raiders, I guess I'm calling. If I'm the Saint.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of teams that if you go, hey,
Speaker 1: is Aaron Rodgers in play? And if he is, what's
Speaker 1: it going to cost? Is it a similar situation to
Speaker 1: what the Rams did with Jared Goff and Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: Well it's not the same because Detroit basically said to
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford and vice versa, Hey, let's give you a
Speaker 1: nice landing spot here, thank you for everything you've done.
Speaker 1: We're moving in a different direction. New coach in here. GM,
Speaker 1: We're going to go in our direction. We appreciate everything
Speaker 1: you've done, no hard feelings. Thank you for everything you've
Speaker 1: meant to this organization. They got a great landing spot
Speaker 1: with the Rams. You get Jared Goff in return, and
Speaker 1: you get draft picks in return. Is that something that
Speaker 1: Green Bay would entertain? And there's so many people giving
Speaker 1: so many opinions on this, and right now it's opinions
Speaker 1: because until Aaron Rodgers comes out and says, hey, this
Speaker 1: is how I feel, this is what I want to
Speaker 1: have done, he doesn't have to go into gory details
Speaker 1: about his relationship or lack thereof with the GM. He's
Speaker 1: told us about the Jordan Love situation, how he reacted,
Speaker 1: how he found out. Okay, you cut his good friend
Speaker 1: Jake Kumereau, who is a wide receiver who two days
Speaker 1: earlier you talked about him on a national radio show
Speaker 1: and then they cut him. Okay, like this a business.
Speaker 1: And green Bay they handled this like it's a business.
Speaker 1: They drafted Jordan Love. Now should they Well we can
Speaker 1: look back and say no, but they green Bay was
Speaker 1: betting that Aaron Rodgers was not going to be great.
Speaker 1: And when the MVP this past year, Now, what do
Speaker 1: you do with Jordan Love? He's not ready to play?
Speaker 1: Can you wait another year? Can you have this continue
Speaker 1: in the organization? Do you want a lame duck Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers quarterbacking your team? Well? I would because it gives
Speaker 1: us the best chance of winning. But I also have
Speaker 1: to look at at what point do I decide to
Speaker 1: trade Aaron Rodgers and what can I get in return?
Speaker 1: But you can go back to Dan Patrick dot com.
Speaker 1: I go to the website and hear all of our interviews.
Speaker 1: Pierre McGuire NHL and NBC, the Great Hockey Analyst. He
Speaker 1: was there at the garden last night up front and
Speaker 1: they had a personal, very very close to the action
Speaker 1: there as they dropped the gloves from the opening face off.
Speaker 1: He'll join us coming up, yes point, going back to
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter. We're having a discussion the break about why
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter put this information out there, this report out
Speaker 1: there three o'clock on Draft Day, and when we were
Speaker 1: doing the show last week, last Thursday, at almost exactly
Speaker 1: this time, a local radio host named Bill Michaels, He's
Speaker 1: out of Wisconsin. He posted that the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: have offered the Packers the third overall overall pick and
Speaker 1: other picks for Aaron Rodgers, and he credited Paul Allen,
Speaker 1: who's played by play guy in Minnesota, we all know
Speaker 1: does the Vikings and has a radio show there. So
Speaker 1: that's what the only inklings we got that draft morning
Speaker 1: that anything was going on, and we here didn't know
Speaker 1: much about those reports. Okay, but I want to understand
Speaker 1: when Paul Allen, Paul Allen is a great radio host
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis and also is the voice of the Vikings,
Speaker 1: did he put it out on Thursday? Because I thought
Speaker 1: that Paul Allen put the report out on Friday that
Speaker 1: the Niners did reach out to the Green Bay Packers,
Speaker 1: did Bill Michaels put this out or did Paul Allen
Speaker 1: put this out? Bill Michaels put it out based off
Speaker 1: you know, he said other people have been talking about it.
Speaker 1: He said, Paul Allen spoke about it on his radio
Speaker 1: show on Thursday pre draft. Okay, So but again that
Speaker 1: sometimes doesn't get to the national media or into the
Speaker 1: national audience. Yeah, And Adam Schefter did talk about this
Speaker 1: was sort of an open secret that the Rams reached out,
Speaker 1: the Niners reached out, teams understood that Aaron did not
Speaker 1: you know, he may not want to come back, or
Speaker 1: voicing you know, discontent in the organization there. But when
Speaker 1: I saw and I saw this live, when Adam did
Speaker 1: this on NFL Live, and I'm going, is Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: going to be traded? Like? Like? It felt like that.
Speaker 1: And then I thought it was Rogers because he was
Speaker 1: Draft Day and look a lot of other people did.
Speaker 1: But you know, I thought, maybe this is Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: saying through somebody to Adam Schefter, Hey, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be here, but I wanted to know what, you know,
Speaker 1: why was it leaked? Why was it dropped on Draft Day?
Speaker 1: That's what I was trying to figure. I'm still trying
Speaker 1: to figure that out because nothing really happened here other
Speaker 1: than did Adam think somebody else was going to have
Speaker 1: this story? Yeah. Also, the John Lynch, the GM of
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, admitted in his post draft comments
Speaker 1: kind of late night on Thursday that so he was asked,
Speaker 1: did you call the packers? He was, yeah, I called you.
Speaker 1: We played that sound before. He admitted that he called
Speaker 1: the packers and it was a short conversation about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: So that story is confirmed. So it's true the Niners
Speaker 1: did at least place they called, and I'm gonna guess
Speaker 1: they said, hey, you know, I got an offer here
Speaker 1: for you? Or was it hey, it's John Lynch Brian. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not interested by But what information did the Niners
Speaker 1: have that they would have made the call? This feels
Speaker 1: like a thirty for thirty, Like it just feels like
Speaker 1: there's and we're not even done. We're halfway through this.
Speaker 1: Who knows how the thirty for thirty ends up. Yeah. Mclovin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, I hate to put on you, but
Speaker 1: you kept saying there was something fishy going on in
Speaker 1: Green Bay. So that's why now it's easy to believe
Speaker 1: that Scheffer's report is true. Well, that was six weeks ago, right,
Speaker 1: You said he wouldn't be back after next year. I
Speaker 1: was told it's laughable to think that Rogers will be
Speaker 1: back after this season coming up, Which makes me think
Speaker 1: that a lot of people knew that the situation was untenable,
Speaker 1: but that happened quickly. The Vikings radio announcer McLevin just
Speaker 1: sent this to me, Paul Allen claimed on his radio
Speaker 1: show Thursday Morning. So a week ago today, the Packers
Speaker 1: turned down a massive trade offer for Aaron Rodgers from
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine ers. He said that the
Speaker 1: Niners made the call Wednesday night and they were going
Speaker 1: to give the third overall pick and Garoppolo, but the
Speaker 1: Packers turned it down. Paul Allish had it tweeted that
Speaker 1: out moments after. Yes, yes he should have. Okay, well
Speaker 1: it makes sense, But I I want to be fair
Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers through all of this, because I will
Speaker 1: say this, a lot of the reporters are going to
Speaker 1: side with the Packers. Why because Aaron Rodgers is only
Speaker 1: going to play football a few more years. The Packers
Speaker 1: are going to be around a long time. You want access,
Speaker 1: and I haven't heard anybody reporting something that puts Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers in a more favorable light. It's that the Packers
Speaker 1: are placed in a more favorable light. Most of the
Speaker 1: reporting has been that way, So I just want to
Speaker 1: be fair to Rogers. Does he want out? When did
Speaker 1: he say wanted out? Did the Niners place an offer?
Speaker 1: Why was this dropped on Draft Day? And nothing happened
Speaker 1: during the draft at all? So I got more questions
Speaker 1: than I do answers here. But I appreciate Adam coming
Speaker 1: on because I just wanted it cleared up well, and
Speaker 1: he said, look, it wasn't Aaron and it wasn't the team.
Speaker 1: But his initial tweet says league sources teams source, Well,
Speaker 1: which team? I'm assuming that's Green Bay. League source could
Speaker 1: be other teams, could be the Rams, could be the Niners.
Speaker 1: But team source. That's where I have to think the
Speaker 1: Packers are somehow involved in this, at least behind the scenes. Yeah. Mclo. Also,
Speaker 1: then after schefter, Pro Football Talk reported that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: was disappointed that they turned down the trade offer. That
Speaker 1: was another detail that came out quickly, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: also makes perfect sense because he would be amazing in sanforature.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, be able to go back home and that
Speaker 1: can you imagine that team with Aaron Rodgers, crazy great,
Speaker 1: it'd be awesome, they'd be I'd be the super Bowl
Speaker 1: favorite with the Rams. Have been your favorite with Aaron Rodgerson.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good too, pretty good? Yes, yeah, Paul Man.
Speaker 1: When don't you do the thing in your head when
Speaker 1: you've been speculative trade you start picturing people in different
Speaker 1: uniforms than the colors. I just think of the spiral
Speaker 1: Ram's helmet on Rogers, good luck, good luck on anybody.
Speaker 1: I'd look good in that, jarthy. But the Niners have
Speaker 1: made no secret of the fact they're all they've been
Speaker 1: looking for Jimmy G's replacement. They wanted Tom Brady, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they made no secret they wanted Aaron Rodgers. They got
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. Like the handwritings on the wall. And if
Speaker 1: you could trade Garoppolo in the number three pick, Now,
Speaker 1: if I'm Green Bay, do I want that? No? I
Speaker 1: mean then I got Garoppolo? And then how long do
Speaker 1: I have Garoppolo? And is he a starter? And then
Speaker 1: so I don't want I don't want another question mark here,
Speaker 1: like I need somebody. They need a quarterback, whether Rogers
Speaker 1: stays or not, they need another quarterback on the roster
Speaker 1: because Jordan Love was the third string quarterback. Yeah, Pa,
Speaker 1: If I'm the Packers, I hate the idea of trading
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to any decent team because those draft picks
Speaker 1: are gonna be the twentieth pick of the draft, the
Speaker 1: twentieth pick of the draft, like the forty nine Ers
Speaker 1: or the Rams or the Saints. Those are awful trade partners.
Speaker 1: Those are between NFC teams and the fact that they're
Speaker 1: gonna win, and those draft picks become almost like high
Speaker 1: second round picks, and you don't want to trade him
Speaker 1: to your rival. You know, the Niners. You don't want
Speaker 1: to trade now. I mean that's not the true rival,
Speaker 1: but they are arrival when it comes to getting to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, and when that team is healthy that
Speaker 1: they would be a better team than the Packers, and
Speaker 1: you give them Aaron Rodgers. I think if you see
Speaker 1: the Jimmy g thing doesn't excite me. If I'm Green Bay,
Speaker 1: the third overall pick, Okay, what am I getting? I
Speaker 1: can take another quarterback, or I can take Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: or I can trade down. I don't know. That's what
Speaker 1: I was trying to one. I was wondering, like, how
Speaker 1: much is enough to get Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I'm a club.
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk has some possible veterans they could sign
Speaker 1: in Green Bay and it ain't pretty. Brian Hoyer, Barkley,
Speaker 1: Nick Mullins, Blake Bortles, and RG three out excuse Ryan
Speaker 1: and Ryan and Florida joins us. Hey, Ryan, what's on
Speaker 1: your mind today? Guys? I got I got your answers. Okay,
Speaker 1: so near in December thirt so Packers they they got
Speaker 1: a month to break Rogers looked like today to day
Speaker 1: the deal sending Rogers to Denver is done. He said,
Speaker 1: you said yourself, pack two people. But Ryan, Ryan, thanks
Speaker 1: for the phone called. This isn't a leak. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to clean up today. This was an accumulation
Speaker 1: by Adam Schefter since the season ended. And now why
Speaker 1: he decided to drop it on Draft Day, I still
Speaker 1: don't know, because if it was a leak, then it
Speaker 1: would be this is coming out now. This is why
Speaker 1: it's coming out now, and whatever side is leaking this information,
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like it was a leak. It sounds
Speaker 1: like it was an open secret. He's not happy and
Speaker 1: teams know that, and that's why the Niners reached out.
Speaker 1: The Rams reached out because they knew something was going on,
Speaker 1: and then they found out they were shut down. Pete
Speaker 1: Niwa joins us, Hey, Pete, what's on your mind? Since
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of hard information, I've been
Speaker 1: consulting my gut and I have a definitive answer. Who
Speaker 1: gained the most by this coming out and who's been
Speaker 1: proactively talking to the media all offseason. It's definitely the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. That's definitely who was a source. They
Speaker 1: had the information, they had the most to gain, I think,
Speaker 1: without a doubt, outs to leak the information. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, Pete. Yeah, Seton, I just want to point
Speaker 1: out for the record that so far, by far, the
Speaker 1: most accurate source on this story has been Bret, the
Speaker 1: it guy in Wisconsin and Wisconsin this whole thing is
Speaker 1: being completely blown out of proportion so far. He's checking
Speaker 1: out more than every other NFL reporter. And Brett knows
Speaker 1: somebody who knows somebody who works at a best Buy
Speaker 1: and was kind the best Buy was made up, that
Speaker 1: wasn't true. Okay, so a an it store somebody who
Speaker 1: there that the team apparently gets their apple products from. Yes,
Speaker 1: so maybe it's an apple store. And then he's on
Speaker 1: the board. And then he said that that boss is
Speaker 1: on the board. He said, don't worry. We had a meeting.
Speaker 1: We had a board meeting, and they said everything is
Speaker 1: blown out of proportion so far, that's the most realistic
Speaker 1: report we've gotten in the past week. If Chefty just
Speaker 1: says anonymous sources, is it a little easier to understand
Speaker 1: when you do team sorce. That's the only thing that
Speaker 1: caught my eye was like, wait a minute, team source. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pause to me. It's the end of his tweet where
Speaker 1: he says sources told ESPN on Thursday. It made it
Speaker 1: sound like it was a exploding situation, less of a
Speaker 1: here's the information I've gathered since the season end. The
Speaker 1: result is the same. I don't believe. I think Adam
Speaker 1: Schefter is completely obviously telling the truth, and he believes
Speaker 1: his reports. He's got great sources, he's got a lot
Speaker 1: of history of it. But when you see the tweet,
Speaker 1: it had a reaction where it was an immediate blow
Speaker 1: up of some type where Rogers got a hold of
Speaker 1: people in the organization moments before the draft, for hours
Speaker 1: for the draft, to days before their every said, look,
Speaker 1: I'm not sticking around here. I just want to let
Speaker 1: you guys know before draft nights so you can make
Speaker 1: your new plans. It just felt something was imminent, like
Speaker 1: something was going to happen tonight in the draft that
Speaker 1: Mark Schlais was talking on Draft night, march laars pretty
Speaker 1: connected guy, especially with the Denver Broncos. He said he
Speaker 1: expected that he was reading the tea leaves. He expected
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos to acquire Aaron Rodgers. That's how hot
Speaker 1: that story was that night. Fill in Indiana's back. I Phil,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind? Dan? It is always a pleasure
Speaker 1: to speak with you. I really become increasingly frustrated with
Speaker 1: these like whether it's Woach or Chef Dey. While I
Speaker 1: don't like them, it just seems that they come out
Speaker 1: with these stories that have no exact facts. And it
Speaker 1: seemed like your interview with Schefter, it just seemed like
Speaker 1: all he did was listening to press conferences and release
Speaker 1: a story. It didn't seem like there were any any
Speaker 1: facts behind it. It didn't seem like there were any
Speaker 1: you know, whether he spoke to sources and Dan, I
Speaker 1: just really wanted to get your thoughts. That to me
Speaker 1: is irresponsible journalism, but I really wanted to get your
Speaker 1: thoughts down. We'll always have a great day, buddy. Thank you. Phil. Look,
Speaker 1: I trust Adam Schefter his sources. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: know about the timing, that's all, and who was going
Speaker 1: to leak the like why was it coming out? And
Speaker 1: it felt like there was information coming out right then not.
Speaker 1: You know, this is an accumulation that started after the
Speaker 1: NFC title game. That's what I didn't understand. What was
Speaker 1: the breaking news. Yes, but even Paul Allen saying the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers reached out about a trade for Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is a completely different story. Then Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 1: disgruntled and wants out. Those are those are completely separate
Speaker 1: stories in some respect. Well, one is very specific. The
Speaker 1: Niners called the Packers and there's at least a discussion
Speaker 1: of the number three pick and Jimmy Garoppolo. I don't
Speaker 1: know what Roger's mindset is. We're probably not going to
Speaker 1: find that out. He doesn't have he doesn't owe it
Speaker 1: to us in the media. But I think he owes
Speaker 1: it to the fans in Green Bay and to the Packers.
Speaker 1: If you want to move on, what's the best way
Speaker 1: to move on? Just say it? I want to move on. No,
Speaker 1: Patriot fans realized Tom Brady wanted to move on. Fans
Speaker 1: move on as well. It hurts. It's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: hurt if he's successful elsewhere. But the Packers have done
Speaker 1: this before. At some point you have to say enough,
Speaker 1: we're not going to make you happy enough. Do we
Speaker 1: want to tie up all this money? No, we wait
Speaker 1: till June first. That cap hit is not that bad.
Speaker 1: Do you still have teams that need quarterbacks? What can
Speaker 1: you give us? You just put them out there. It's
Speaker 1: like a tagsail. What are you willing to give us?
Speaker 1: That's what happened with the Lions with Matthew Stafford. Granted
Speaker 1: not the status of Aaron Rodgers, but that's you were
Speaker 1: planning on this moment, the Packers. That's why you drafted
Speaker 1: Jordan Love? Can you can you trade Jordan Love? Do
Speaker 1: you fire the GM? Do you give Rogers a contract
Speaker 1: that you know is going to pay him forty five
Speaker 1: fifty million? Like? At what point do you as an organization,
Speaker 1: just say it just doesn't make sense. This is painful.
Speaker 1: And yes, as Chefty said, you want to be known
Speaker 1: as the GM who traded Aaron Rodgers, Well, what am
Speaker 1: I getting in return? And what is the endgame for
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? Is he gonna sit out and retire? We're
Speaker 1: gonna as for his signing bonus money? Bat Like, there's
Speaker 1: a lot left to this. Yeah. See, I wonder if
Speaker 1: Tom Brady hadn't just won the Super Bowl with the Buccaneers,
Speaker 1: if the Packers would have been more open to that trade,
Speaker 1: because I mean that the one of the storylines of
Speaker 1: the season was and especially after the super Bowl was
Speaker 1: well it looks like Brady one and Belichick loss. Patriots
Speaker 1: really screwed up. Yeah, And I'm just I would bet
Speaker 1: that teams are a little more leary now of being like, oh, Craig,
Speaker 1: we don't want to let him go, so he wins
Speaker 1: a ring and now we look stupid. Tom got to
Speaker 1: pick where he's going. Aaron might not get that luxury
Speaker 1: to pick where he's going, because if I'm the Packers,
Speaker 1: I'm not trading him to an NFC team. You want
Speaker 1: to go to Denver? All right, let's see what they have.
Speaker 1: If you really want to be me and you send
Speaker 1: him to Houston, you're safe. Yeah, you don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about him going to a super Bowl. We'll take
Speaker 1: a break. It was unbelievable last night with the Capitals
Speaker 1: and the Rangers at the garden because they drop the
Speaker 1: puck and then they dropped the gloves. Pierre Maguire will
Speaker 1: join us to recap what he saw last night. Twenty
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Speaker 1: combined for two goals three a sign you will drop
Speaker 1: the face off three fights simultaneously. Rooney and Dowd deefa
Speaker 1: Seppi going out it with halfaway block well clip one
Speaker 1: second in. That's how it started. Last night nbcsn NHL
Speaker 1: on NBC. Inside the Glass analyst Pierre McGuire was on
Speaker 1: the call for that game last night. He'll be on
Speaker 1: the call for tonight's Rangers Bruins matchup NBCSN. Probably less
Speaker 1: fireworks in that one, and Pierre kind enough to join us. Pierre,
Speaker 1: when did you sense that there was something that was
Speaker 1: going to happen prior to or quickly after the puck
Speaker 1: was dropped? Probably earlier in the afternoon, Dan, when I
Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to Lars Eller or the
Speaker 1: Washington Capitols. The Washington Capitals clearly brought their a game,
Speaker 1: not just athletically but physically as well, and I think
Speaker 1: they were tired of some of the rhetoric that was
Speaker 1: going out there about their team. I know the Rangers
Speaker 1: were very tired about some of the rhetoric that was
Speaker 1: going on around their team. So I think earlier in
Speaker 1: the afternoon I kind of felt there was going to
Speaker 1: be some shenanigans. Ever, it's going to happen. Whether it
Speaker 1: happened at the start of the game or the middle
Speaker 1: of the period, I didn't know. But also, if you
Speaker 1: send the fourth line out both teams, I'm guessing you're
Speaker 1: sending out your tough guys and That's not normal for
Speaker 1: a face off to start a matchup, is it. Well,
Speaker 1: the one thing i'd give Peter Lave you let the
Speaker 1: coach of the Washington Capital's a little leadway on that
Speaker 1: he doesn't get last change because he's on the road.
Speaker 1: And usually the line that you're talking about with doubt Hathaway.
Speaker 1: At Hagling they play a lot against the other team's
Speaker 1: top lines, so I don't think they were sure what
Speaker 1: exactly Mike Sellen was going to do. Mike, sorry, not
Speaker 1: mikeself and I apologize. I'm thinking Pittsburgh, what David Quinn
Speaker 1: was going to do. But I would tell you this,
Speaker 1: David Quinn comes with his artillery. They don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of it obviously with the Rangers, and then everything
Speaker 1: kind of gets gone. Give us the backstory on this,
Speaker 1: Pierre Well, obviously, the Tom Wilson situation on Monday Dan
Speaker 1: wasn't something that endeared anybody, I think in the hockey
Speaker 1: world to what happened. I mean, basically, it was Tom
Speaker 1: Wilson getting involved to pavl Busnevitch and then eventually getting
Speaker 1: involved with Artemmy Pannaron. Pannaron being a superstar player in
Speaker 1: the league, and Tom Wilson basically just tossing him down
Speaker 1: to the ice and could have been very, very dangerous. Obviously,
Speaker 1: as you know, without a helmet on, if he hits
Speaker 1: his head instead of his shoulder, Dan, I think we
Speaker 1: have a very large potential problem. Obviously he hit his shoulder,
Speaker 1: not nearly as much mayhem our injury caused to Panarin.
Speaker 1: But that's really the backstory of this whole thing with
Speaker 1: Tom Wilson and the New York Rangers. Okay, but five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, fine, no suspension. It's not like Tom Wilson
Speaker 1: doesn't have a rap sheet here. But can you factor
Speaker 1: in priors with someone like Tom Wilson and should he
Speaker 1: have been suspended? Well, I said last night, it begs
Speaker 1: the question, why wouldn't you have suspended him for one game?
Speaker 1: And I think if you had suspended him for that
Speaker 1: game last night, you wouldn't have had what we had.
Speaker 1: And I'll just I won't use my words, Dan, I'll
Speaker 1: use the words of Brendan Smith, who got involved and
Speaker 1: fought Tom Wilson. He said at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: I have no bad blood with anybody on the Washington Capitals.
Speaker 1: I do with Tom Wilson. And so if Tom Wilson's
Speaker 1: not part of the equation, I don't think we have
Speaker 1: or we had last night explain the etiquette of fighting
Speaker 1: in today's NHL. I don't know if I can. Things
Speaker 1: have changed a lot because of the salary cap. It
Speaker 1: used to be you could carry three or four extra
Speaker 1: players that would be quote unquote enforcers. I don't think
Speaker 1: we have the room the luxury of that anymore. Knock that.
Speaker 1: I call it a luxury. But against the salary cap,
Speaker 1: it's an issue. And now you know you need to
Speaker 1: be a player. You just can't be a one dimensional
Speaker 1: asset to a team in terms of police in a game.
Speaker 1: You've got to be able to play, and if you can't,
Speaker 1: then you're not valuable. I will say this, Dan, I
Speaker 1: think it's really important. Tom Wilson's not a one dimensional player.
Speaker 1: He's a really good, important power forward for the Washington Capitals.
Speaker 1: He was a major part of a Stanley Cup winning team.
Speaker 1: He's not a knuckle dragger. He's a legitimate good player.
Speaker 1: But sometimes he crosses a line, and he did that
Speaker 1: the other night in New York. Okay, but how do
Speaker 1: you get your message across you know, I go back
Speaker 1: to when the Oilers had Dave Simenko protecting Gretzky. How
Speaker 1: do you how do you enforce without it being fighting
Speaker 1: in today's NHL. Well, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: different ways you can own the pot. The other team
Speaker 1: takes penalty is trying to defend against you. You run
Speaker 1: a score up on the power play. You can play
Speaker 1: an aggressive four check game and target some of their defensemen.
Speaker 1: You can create matchups that you talked about correctly off
Speaker 1: the opening faceoff where you put a debt player on
Speaker 1: against a star player and you make sure that star
Speaker 1: player feels some physical pain. You can do all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is I would like
Speaker 1: to have a player like Tom Wilson on my team.
Speaker 1: I wish Rick Cockett was still playing in the NHL.
Speaker 1: I had the privilege of coaching Rick. We want to
Speaker 1: Stanley Cup with Rick in Pittsburgh in nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 1: and a big reason why we want the physicality and
Speaker 1: the dogged determination of Rick Hackett. They don't make play
Speaker 1: a lot of players like that anymore. They really don't.
Speaker 1: Five thousand dollars for a guy who makes whatever five
Speaker 1: million dollars. I mean, that doesn't seem like that's really impactful.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you take a five thousand dollars hit if it
Speaker 1: meant that you were sending a message to a team
Speaker 1: Mike Wilson did. Yeah, But I don't know what message
Speaker 1: he was sending in that situation. Everybody said, oh, was
Speaker 1: a scrum around the net. Yeah, it was a harmless
Speaker 1: scrum in a power place situation. He was out there
Speaker 1: actually killing a penalty. He knew the Rangers didn't have
Speaker 1: any artillery on the ice. So I don't know what
Speaker 1: message he's trying to present. It's already a Washington capitalist
Speaker 1: team that's down a lot of people because of injury
Speaker 1: and COVID related instances, a team that's a legitimate contender
Speaker 1: to win the Cup. So I don't know what message
Speaker 1: he was sending to the Rangers. That being said, I
Speaker 1: think he got himself into trouble. Now. He's really under
Speaker 1: scrutiny all the time, every shift he takes in the league,
Speaker 1: he's under scrutiny. Now, what's the NHL do, if anything? Today?
Speaker 1: They've got to look at the Pavo guts Navit's cross
Speaker 1: check on Anthony Mantha. I don't know what they're going
Speaker 1: to do that that took place in the third period.
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't particularly good, So that's something they're
Speaker 1: going to have to look at. But all that being said,
Speaker 1: I think they have to look back and say, did
Speaker 1: we handle the Tom Wilson situation correctly? He are great
Speaker 1: to talk to you, buddy, and have fun tonight. Probably
Speaker 1: a little less drama with the Rangers in Bruins, right,
Speaker 1: Really nice visity, Really thanks a lot. That's Pierre McGuire.
Speaker 1: NBC Sports continues its coverage of the NHL's push for
Speaker 1: the playoffs this week nbcnbcsn Para matchups Rangers Bruins to
Speaker 1: night at seven Eastern and then Saturday afternoon at three
Speaker 1: Eastern on NBC. Gus in La joins us on the topic. Hi, Gus,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Good morning, mister Patrick Propole
Speaker 1: as well. You know everyone's calling because they have the
Speaker 1: answers of the Aaron Rodgers deal. I don't have answers.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the answers of the universe. I know
Speaker 1: where Hoppa is buried. I'll give you who shot JR.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't care where the story
Speaker 1: came from I'm calling about this NHL thing. Look, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty years old, Mexican living in Los Angeles. I
Speaker 1: know about as much as hockey as Fritzie knows about
Speaker 1: to sit up. It is just something that I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about. But this is an interesting thing. Though.
Speaker 1: I like it. It showed, it was awesome, it was fun. However,
Speaker 1: does this give now not trying to be you know,
Speaker 1: punished here, but does it black eye or does it
Speaker 1: intrigue people's interests to be like, yo, that was pretty
Speaker 1: sweet to see. Can just go on and can continued? Well,
Speaker 1: the next time they play, all right, thank you guys.
Speaker 1: The next time they play, it'll be a tune in
Speaker 1: I must must watch tune in factor. Here's the problem.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with last night. I'm not okay with the
Speaker 1: previous night, with what Tom Wilson did, but like that's
Speaker 1: just a clean up last night. I don't like what
Speaker 1: led to last night. If you got guys who just
Speaker 1: square off and you know they're they're mad at each other,
Speaker 1: I just don't like what Wilson did the previous game
Speaker 1: against the Rangers. Yeah, I don't like what led to
Speaker 1: last night. Last night was entertaining. I do have a
Speaker 1: friend who works in the sport who said, uh, typical,
Speaker 1: you're going to be talking about this. You don't talk
Speaker 1: about the sport. And my response back to him is
Speaker 1: playoff hockey. I say that that the playoffs in hockey
Speaker 1: are more exciting than any other sport, and that's been
Speaker 1: our approach. It is, and we'd have Doc Emeric on Pierre.
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand him. We don't cover hockey, and
Speaker 1: I could be criticized for, Oh, you're gonna cover hockey
Speaker 1: because of this, Yeah, go ahead criticize, Yeah, Paul, I
Speaker 1: think the Rangers I think are eliminated from playoff contentions
Speaker 1: only a couple of games? Can we get a play
Speaker 1: in game? Can we get like the Rangers as like
Speaker 1: a ninth seed play in game against the Caps? Caps
Speaker 1: are in first, they don't face each other again? No,
Speaker 1: I think I think the Rangers had the Bruins a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Okay, yeah, I got them tonight and
Speaker 1: then Saturday. Yeah. See, it's just tough that. Like the
Speaker 1: storyline after this is when they're asking the like, Rangers,
Speaker 1: are you guys soft? Oh? I know, oh dear, that
Speaker 1: is just here is Brendan Smith. Brendan Smith is the
Speaker 1: one who started the fight with Tom Wilson last night,
Speaker 1: And imagine you start the fight with this tough guy
Speaker 1: and then after the game you're asked this question. And
Speaker 1: then I've read a lot in the last couple of
Speaker 1: days about how the Rangers as a team are. You know,
Speaker 1: the words been used soft and you know, not tough
Speaker 1: enough and stuff, And I'm wondering if if you feel
Speaker 1: like you guys response tonight dis proves that in some way, Well,
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. Do you think we're soft? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: you answered it? What if he said yes, do you
Speaker 1: think we're soft? Uh? Yeah, Well, like right from the
Speaker 1: opening second of the game, you guys are getting beat
Speaker 1: up again. So yeah, did you realize if you look
Speaker 1: at the video the Capitals started. The Capitals were the
Speaker 1: aggressors from the start, and the Rangers were the ones
Speaker 1: that were supposed to be retaliated, the ones that were
Speaker 1: supposed to be mad, and they got beat up again.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, once they dropped that puck, we're good.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, you guys went too soon. You jumped
Speaker 1: the gun here, Yeah, Paul, what if the reporter said, yes,
Speaker 1: he dropped his little pen in his iPhone and his
Speaker 1: shoulder bag, his man bag. So let's go, yes, hunt,
Speaker 1: And what do you do if you're the player, if
Speaker 1: the reporter was to say, say, you know what, at times,
Speaker 1: you guys do appear to be a little soft, a
Speaker 1: little week out there, and like what the play is
Speaker 1: supposed to challenge him to a fight on the behind
Speaker 1: the curtain, now what he's supposed to do. But this
Speaker 1: is what the Rangers, this is how they're labeled. They
Speaker 1: are labeled as soft analysts say this, yes, yes, see,
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of soft to go back at
Speaker 1: the reporter and be like, oh yeah, why what do
Speaker 1: you think? Like okay, yeah, me and you aren't going
Speaker 1: to fight right now. But the dudes you're just out
Speaker 1: on the ice with. That's when you know, a coach
Speaker 1: like Beeheim or coach k will you know you return
Speaker 1: fire on a CUB reporter or somebody from this student newsburger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how many games have you coached? None? They don't don't
Speaker 1: ever question us. Yeah, how many championship banners have you hung?
Speaker 1: Put down that notebook, roll up the sleeves of your
Speaker 1: vineyard vine shirt and let's go. Yes, it's go time
Speaker 1: right now. I'm going to throw shade at you. I'm
Speaker 1: throwing shade at you. Middle aged white guys should do
Speaker 1: not say things like that, throwing shade. I'm going to
Speaker 1: be throwing shade at you, literally, throwing shade. Literally. Let's
Speaker 1: take a break here, let's take a break. I've had
Speaker 1: a spirited show today. Um. We started out by me
Speaker 1: teaching Fritzie how to take a charge the work in progress. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: not for me, for me, for you. I didn't even
Speaker 1: fall down. I just kind of went that, well, you
Speaker 1: don't want to fall down because you can't get back up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the time I got back, guy, I wun't want
Speaker 1: to miss a couple of segments of the show. I'm
Speaker 1: in the process of. Oh, by the way, you know
Speaker 1: what's coming up. Fritzie is being punished for screwing up
Speaker 1: the snoreboard, first of a two game suspension. Yeah, you've
Speaker 1: got a two show suspension. We are tougher on you
Speaker 1: than the NHL was on Tom Wilson. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: suspending you for two snoreboards. Mario is going to do
Speaker 1: the honors, and I think he went off the board.
Speaker 1: I sent him my suggestive yes, and I told you,
Speaker 1: but he erased it and went with his own no. No,
Speaker 1: you're not involved in it. You've been suspended for screwing
Speaker 1: things up. Yes. Point. Some people on Twitter said they
Speaker 1: wish you would have got rid of Scoreboard and kept Fritzie.
Speaker 1: They like Fritzie Scoreboard. I got three of those. We
Speaker 1: take a break. Let's call for phone calls, close up
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Speaker 1: Ben Mallow or the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever
Speaker 1: you get your podcast. It's been an interesting show today
Speaker 1: covered a lot of ground. I don't know if we
Speaker 1: learned anything. There are times when I get done with
Speaker 1: the show and I always think, no, I know less
Speaker 1: than what I knew when I started three hours ago.
Speaker 1: If you missed the Adam Schefter interview, it's worth going
Speaker 1: back dan Patrick dot com. We go back and forth
Speaker 1: on some things, and I mean, I give him credit
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm asking him to kind of defend
Speaker 1: what he was saying, why he was saying it on
Speaker 1: draft day, and the sources that were attached to it.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to tell me a source. But I
Speaker 1: was just I needed more information, that's all. And that's
Speaker 1: why I started with Adam. I mean, I would say
Speaker 1: the same thing to Brian Goodakoon's or Aaron Rodgers if
Speaker 1: they were on the show. And we've invited all of
Speaker 1: them because you know that it's my job is to
Speaker 1: be the sort of liaison from a story source person
Speaker 1: to the audience, and that's why we try to clear
Speaker 1: these things up, because I just don't like dealing with
Speaker 1: that rumor innuendo, speculation. It's just dangerous. And you want
Speaker 1: to be fair to if Aaron Rodgers what he said
Speaker 1: or how he said it or said it quietly behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, or the Packers are involved in this, or
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos are involved, like I just want to know.
Speaker 1: I think that that's part of the reporting of this story.
Speaker 1: And this is a huge story if he stays, and
Speaker 1: certainly if he leaves. Jesse and la Hey, Jess, what
Speaker 1: do you have for me today? But I got a
Speaker 1: supree on this story. So my barber's son is a
Speaker 1: realtor in Denver, and she said to Aaron Rodgers, dog
Speaker 1: Walker is looking at it. I'm just kidding with the
Speaker 1: dum we're going with it, Will, Yeah, really though, really though,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to laugh a little bit with all the
Speaker 1: speculation in drama because it doesn't look like it's getting
Speaker 1: resolved anytime soon. And the best thing you can do
Speaker 1: for me is if you would please play celebrity journalists
Speaker 1: Will Anthony if she has a take on this? All right, okay, well,
Speaker 1: thank you, Jess. The celebrity journalist flow Anthony, who claims
Speaker 1: to have spoken to a source with knowledge from someone
Speaker 1: close to Woods, says Tiger is struggling. Thank you, Jess.
Speaker 1: That's one of those. Wait what did Mary Hard say?
Speaker 1: A source close to a source who claims tooken to
Speaker 1: someone with knowledge of Woods's feelings, who claims to have
Speaker 1: spoken to someone with knowledge, claims to him Tiger is struggling.
Speaker 1: Oh am, I god, this dage sports history. Pulley. I
Speaker 1: got a bunch of him somewhere. Not that great though.
Speaker 1: In nineteen fifteen, Babe Ruth for his first major league
Speaker 1: home run whilst playing for the Red Sox. He was
Speaker 1: also the starting pitcher that day. Oh, there's some, there's some.
Speaker 1: These aren't pleasant. Anthony Young of the New York Mets
Speaker 1: became the losing streak of twenty six games as a
Speaker 1: starting pitcher in ninety two. Here's a good one. Nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five ESPN Classic began. Oh that was fantastic when
Speaker 1: ESPN Classic start. But it wasn't on this day that
Speaker 1: Carrie would struck out twenty I don't have that as today.
Speaker 1: Does that sound right? I thought that was like an
Speaker 1: that was an April. That was like an April. Twentieth situation. Okay,
Speaker 1: and then uh, another bad one. Nineteen ninety seven, the
Speaker 1: NHL's Hartford Whalers became the Carolina Hurricanes. Dun, Dun, Dunn.
Speaker 1: There's some people up in our neck of the woods
Speaker 1: that never got over that one. No. When the when
Speaker 1: the whalers left, you could dial up your phone and
Speaker 1: you could they somehow would do the sound of the
Speaker 1: when you would dial up your phone and and it
Speaker 1: would go up over the loudspeaker in the newsroom. Un
Speaker 1: that unun yes, seton. There's a very real contingent though,
Speaker 1: of people in this neck of the woods were like, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe it's time to move on, oh with the whale. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we should be known as more than the people who
Speaker 1: lost the whalers. Yeah, maybe maybe it's time to go
Speaker 1: into that nude generation. And nearly got the Patriots. That
Speaker 1: was another one, that Hartford's going to get the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I go, no, they're not. No, you're being used now.
Speaker 1: No no, And it was Victor Kaiam wasn't he the
Speaker 1: owner at the time. He's like no, he's saying that
Speaker 1: he he can move them to the Hartford. I go,
Speaker 1: they're not moving here. Yes, time we have the Hartford
Speaker 1: Wolfpack anyway over the Xcel Center downtown Hartford, and they played.
Speaker 1: Oh I get the crowd all worked up. It's pretty nice.
Speaker 1: Give him some love. Rangers affiliate by Willie may Is
Speaker 1: born on this day. He's ninety years of age. Say hey, kid, um,
Speaker 1: I had another one. Roger Banister runs the first sub
Speaker 1: four minute mile? Did that happen on this day? Not
Speaker 1: that I know. I mean I don't want to be
Speaker 1: a topper because I already whipped on the Carrie Wood.
Speaker 1: See what I did with that? The Carrie Wood striking
Speaker 1: on to carry it is an old school I gave
Speaker 1: you with you wrong information that I've been having some
Speaker 1: dates and jersey numbers a little. Uh. Who's got meat Friday?
Speaker 1: I get? I think I do tomorrow. You're Roger Banister.
Speaker 1: One was right May six, nineteen fifty four. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: I got that one right, sub four minute mile, Roger Banister.
Speaker 1: That was in uh Oxford, Oxford, Mississippi. No, No, England, England,
Speaker 1: that's right Oxford. Yeah. I don't know if he was
Speaker 1: the student theory you'd already graduated or something, But I
Speaker 1: don't remember that at all. Check. I know two Oxford
Speaker 1: jokes you can't handle too and then like one, yeah,
Speaker 1: here you go DP. On May six, nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: Carrie wood to head twenty strikeouts in the game. So
Speaker 1: it was May it was his if it start all right,
Speaker 1: all right, okay, I'm doing okay, crushing it. Yeah, Woody.
Speaker 1: I remember watching that game and it was cold. It
Speaker 1: was damn The Astros had a great one line up
Speaker 1: and I just remember somebody described it as what he
Speaker 1: was throwing frisbees. His curveball was a frisbee that day.
Speaker 1: And you add a couple of Hall of famers in
Speaker 1: that lineup, bagwell, bigio. They needed they needed a garbage can. Yes, yes, frite,
Speaker 1: very very clever. Yeah yeah, they definitely could use some
Speaker 1: cheating there. Final results of the poll question, I'm exhausted. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's the one thing in sports you would least like
Speaker 1: to do? Actually getting a crackback block in the NFL
Speaker 1: just edges out getting hit by a pitch? How about neither?
Speaker 1: Well that getting hit by a pitch. It's where you
Speaker 1: get hit by the pitch that matters, because you can
Speaker 1: hit somebody in the rear end. You're okay with that,
Speaker 1: But you get like plunked on the elbow, middle of
Speaker 1: the back, just good. And they'd always say, rubbed dirt
Speaker 1: on it. I never understood that. Why Odd rubbed some
Speaker 1: dirt on it? And then we would do he would
Speaker 1: do it like, well, I don't know. My manager said
Speaker 1: to rub dirt on it. It's not doctor recommended. Yes,
Speaker 1: sobbing trying to pull up your pant like as your
Speaker 1: shin just got crossed. But that was when I was
Speaker 1: in high school. I was doing it. Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: the guy who gets hit and then he picks the
Speaker 1: ball up and he throws it back to the picture
Speaker 1: like that didn't hurt. It hurts? Uh? Todd? What did
Speaker 1: you learn on today's war dominated program? When the fourth
Speaker 1: lines are on the ice for the opening face off,
Speaker 1: something ugly will likely transpire? All right, how about you mclovin,
Speaker 1: We learned how to take a charge. You got a
Speaker 1: grunt her yell at the end. Okay, Seeton O'Connor, what
Speaker 1: did you learn? NFL insider bretton Wisconsin most reliable source
Speaker 1: we have. Hopefully we'll hear from Brett tomorrow on any
Speaker 1: updates on Aaron Rodgers. Paul Yester? Would you learn to
Speaker 1: Oxford in England for England Todd, what did I learn
Speaker 1: on today's program? The Green Bay Packers needs to look
Speaker 1: at what's best for the organization right now, which just
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Speaker 1: this isn't going to be it's not something we can
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