1 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: And we welcome you into this episode of The Brady 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: Bunch based on the four corners. Just kidding, it is 3 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: the best podcast available. I shouldn't bang on the table 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: because that doesn't work really well when it comes to 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: a laptop and computer screens and videos and all that 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: fun stuff. Welcome to working from home. This is the 7 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: best podcast available. Special Friday edition Free Agent Frenzy continues. 8 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: Guys joined by Andrew Gripple joined by Nathan Zakura and guys, 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: it is a little crazy. It's been crazy since we 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: last spoke. We recorded on Wednesday evening. Since then, six 11 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: new players on this football team. Guys, will get things 12 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: started right off the beat, with today being Friday. Andrew's 13 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: sendej is a Cleveland one year two point two five 14 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: million allegedly. Anyways, he's a Cleveland Brown. Gripple will start 15 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: with you your thoughts on the Browns getting a safety 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: in free agency. You know, it's not that surprising of 17 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: a move when you think of it, for a couple 18 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: of reasons. First off, Anderson Daho was a veteran player 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: who is a lot of experience. With three coaches on 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: this Brown staff, with Joe Woods, Mike Preefer uh and 21 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: Jeff Howard, the defensive backs coach as well. Secondly, you 22 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: needed safeties. I mean you added Karl Joseph a couple 23 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: of days ago, but that only got you up to three. Uh. 24 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: You need four at least or and I think there's 25 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: gonna be many more added to this room by the 26 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: end of by the time you get to training camp. 27 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: And Sendejo is good in the fact that you know this. 28 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: This roster is skewed pretty young, and most of these 29 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: guys that have been signed have been added after about 30 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: their rookie deal. Sendejo immediately becomes the oldest guy in 31 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: your team at thirties two years old. And I think 32 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: that it's something you need on your defense. I think 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: you need a mix of some players that have some 34 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: experience in the league. You lost that with Morgan Burnet, 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: who you parted ways with earlier in the week. So 36 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: it's good to have a veteran or two in every 37 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: one of these rooms. And I think Sandejo, who has 38 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: had to really work his way into the NFL, started 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: his career in the UFL. UH he understands what it 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: takes to succeed in the NFL. So I think that 41 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: this is a guy that helps you on the field, 42 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: and I also think helps you in the locker rooms. Well, yeah, 43 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: there's no doubt and that this is a guy, as 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: you mentioned, well known by our coaching staff, also well 45 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: known by Andrew Barrett. You actually started last season in Philadelphia, 46 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: and he's a guy that can play both safety positions. 47 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: He's a hard hitter, but he played last year in 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: Philly and Minnesota free safety, started games as strong safety, 49 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: even played some slot corner. So he has that versatility 50 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: and is a very good compliment to Karl Joseph, who's 51 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: he's also played both strong and free but it is 52 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: more of a strong, box like force type of the safety. 53 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: And Sundayo, yes, he brings experience to that room. And 54 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: you mentioned groups for safeties. Now on the roster, we 55 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: could feel the team if we needed to, and that's 56 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: kind of what I think a lot of these signings 57 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: have been about. Has been kind of just flushing out 58 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: this roster. But you've got Sandejo at free safety, Karl Joseph, 59 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: it's strong safety from a first round pick, and then 60 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: Sheldrick RedWine, your fourth round pick from the you a 61 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: year ago, who I think we'll have a chance to 62 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: compete and to play this season, as well as j 63 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: T Hassel, the underrafted free agent who's the backup strong 64 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: But the team certainly likes what they've got out of 65 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: Sheldrick RedWine last year and they think that he has 66 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: the potential to develop. And one of the themes that 67 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: we'll talk about and I'll get more insight on it later, 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 1: is a lot of these one year contracts, And yes, 69 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: they like Sindejo, they also like red Wine. You're into 70 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: sent Daho for a year, and then the opportunity is 71 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: for red Wine to transition and take over. And we'll 72 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: see that with a lot of these deals going on 73 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: here that Andrew Berry signed after that big splurge initially 74 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: that we covered on offense alright, so they needed a 75 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: lot on on defense. After those first couple of days, 76 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: they went out and they got a tackle, they one 77 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: got a tight end, they got a backup quarterback, they 78 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: get the safety. Today today being Friday, when we're taping this, 79 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: who knows what happens after that. Obviously still a lot 80 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: to happen in free agency. Some of the other names 81 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: I want to go through in terms of guys that 82 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: we've picked up over the last seventy two hours because 83 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: they're important pieces, and so much has made of the 84 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: guys that we signed right at the very beginning. But 85 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: these guys are gonna have a pretty big role in 86 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: this football team and whether or not this team is 87 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: successful in Kevin Johnson late Thursday night signs a one 88 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: year reportedly three and a half million dollar deal, can 89 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: increase to six million. Uh. Here's a guy that spend 90 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: some time with a couple of different football teams, but 91 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: he's been a pretty good football player, not just on 92 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: the defensive side of the football, but on special teams 93 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: as well. As a girl. Yeah, and Kevin Johnson the 94 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: former first round pick a few years ago by the 95 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: Houston Texans as a cornerback. I think it was the 96 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: sixteenth overall pick in that draft. And you know, he's 97 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: battled injuries. That's really been the thing that's kind of 98 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: kept him down. Last year. Joins the Buffalo Bills, a 99 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: team that goes to the playoffs. He plays some slot 100 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: corner for them, and I think the vision is here 101 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: that he'll come in. He's got inside outside versatility, kind 102 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: of like t J. Rry, but he'll be replacing t J. 103 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: Kerry in that role as you're starting nickel corner, an 104 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: opportunity to kick outside if need be due to injury. 105 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: And now you think about your top four corners on 106 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: this team, You've got Denzel Ward, Greedy, Williams, Kevin Johnson. 107 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: By the way, uh, you've got two first round picks 108 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: in the second round pick there, Terrence Money Mitchell, and 109 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: then behind then Tabi R. Thomas, who has been a 110 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: special team's ace for you. Donnie Lewis, the seventh round 111 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: pick from a year ago, Robert Jackson as well. So 112 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: you're fleshing out that room. But we thought they'd be 113 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: active all along looking for a nickel corner and they've 114 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: identified Kevin Johnson as the guy that they want to 115 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: give the first chance to win that job this year. 116 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: And I think if you're a pencilan in right now 117 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: our secondary for the opening of the season you entered 118 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: day as we mentioned, Carl Joseph, those of be your 119 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: safeties and then Denzel Greedy outside Kevin Johnson inside for 120 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: the Browns. Yeah, there's a lot of similarities to me 121 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: between the career so far of Kevin Johnson and Karl 122 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: Joseph and I think the main theme is that they've 123 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: been held back by injuries, and I think that that 124 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: can be something that obviously is why these guys are 125 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: signing one year deals. But at the same time that 126 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: there has been moments, especially recently for both of these guys, 127 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: they've played at a really high level. I think Kevin Johnson, 128 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: you look at his play, probably had some of his 129 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: best seasons early on in his career before those injuries 130 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,559 Speaker 1: started taking toll. Karl Joseph had probably his best season 131 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: last year before the foot injury kind of ended what 132 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: was going to be his best season and possibly the 133 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: path to a big extension with the Raiders. But uh, 134 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: these guys are both getting a great chance in Cleveland. 135 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: And like you said, Nathan, if you're starting the season today, 136 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: you can make a case for all ten of these 137 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: acquisitions as being starter type players. Maybe with the exception 138 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: of Andrew Billings, if you've got Sheldon rich Sin, Larryogan, 139 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: Joe be healthy. But all of these guys have basically 140 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: insured And the reason that we have this podcast is 141 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: that you're not going into the draft desperate at a 142 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: certain desition outside of offensive tackle, which I think you're 143 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: going to have to address pretty early in the draft. 144 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: You build enough needs to where you can kind of 145 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: go best player available wherever you need to because you're 146 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: not position media at this one, all right, So I 147 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: want to stay on the defensive side of the football. 148 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: We talked about Sundejo, We talked about Johnson inter Billings. 149 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: Anybody see that coming on the radar out of Cincinnati. 150 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: I mean, here's a guy we signed again, another one 151 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: year deal, missed his rookie year with an injury, a 152 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: pretty solid player in the middle of that defense, and 153 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: really kind of it's just another rotational guy more than 154 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: anything else on that defensive line for you, and creating 155 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: a lot more depth going into Yeah, I mean it's 156 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: something you needed. I don't I know, we've gotten kind 157 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: of lost with the defense and the linebackers and safeties 158 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: because you've obviously been some glaring needs at those positions. 159 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: But you know, it was just a last year when 160 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: you know you've got all those injuries on the defensive line, 161 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: you're playing Sheldon Richton on defense, and then you're signing 162 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: guys off the street to help you out. I mean, 163 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: you brought in uh Alianku in the middle of the 164 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: year to kind of plum some holes and you so 165 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: you really didn't have some needs there on the defensive line, 166 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: and it really hurt the last year, losing Daniel a 167 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: quality early in the season. So you can never have enough. 168 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: And this guy's a proven player, basically a regular starter 169 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: for the last two years. He's not gonna be someone 170 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: that's going to compile a bunch of sacks, but he's 171 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: he's a run stuffer and can help be out in 172 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: the middle of that defensive line. I remember, going back 173 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: to that twenty six teen draft, it was considered a 174 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: steal five the Bengals to get him as late as 175 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: he as he went. I remember him being projected as 176 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: made a second round pick early third on it. They 177 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: got him in the fourth round. So, uh, this is 178 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: a solid edition that I think is maybe the most 179 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: likely to not Penzilina as a starter right away. But 180 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: this is a guy that's proven in the league and 181 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: really since that rookie season, I stayed healthy, which is important. Yeah, 182 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: he's different than what we have really a defensive tackle 183 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: in our room, and this is a three d and 184 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: thirty pounder. This is an absolute run stuffer, a guy 185 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: in the middle. It has also done a decent job 186 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 1: pushing the pocket, generating a couple of hurries or a 187 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: couple of pressures per game over the last two years 188 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: where he's played about a six percent of the snap 189 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: for the Bengals. So you've we've known all along, and 190 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head clearly. Even last 191 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: year's regime was looking for defensive tackle depth. That's why 192 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,359 Speaker 1: we entertained so many of those guys Mike Daniels, Gerald McCoy, etcetera. 193 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: They never really were able to find that in buildings. 194 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: What you have as a true professional, a guy that 195 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: you know you can put out there on the early 196 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: downs especially and will allow Larryogan Job and Sheldon Richardson 197 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: to being a little bit more of a rotation and 198 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: give you some flexibility there, which I think is is 199 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: excellent news for those guys. But this is another one 200 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: and the one year deals, and I didn't want to 201 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: touch on this. I actually uh was texting with our 202 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: general man Dre Andrew Burry this morning because it struck me, 203 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: as ma'am, we're signing so many year deals, and I said, 204 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: what are we can you give me? You know, just 205 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: help me out for Club Brown. Zilia is there is 206 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: there something to this. Is this player driven as it 207 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: organizationally driven, And he said, We've got been able to 208 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: get guys that are very, very talented players who are 209 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: coming off of, you know, a variety of things in 210 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: the case of Joseph and Johnson, injuries, etcetera. And they 211 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: found themselves in the press market they wanted to go 212 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: for one a proven deals. We thought one year was 213 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: good because when we're gonna need our cat money is 214 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: really two. And so if we bring in a big 215 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: free agent class this year, some guys we may decide, hey, 216 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: we want to keep them here long term, and we 217 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: can do that, but for those that end up leaving, 218 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,479 Speaker 1: we're gonna be on the right side of the compensatory 219 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: pick formula in the year two, which is when we're 220 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: gonna need to be able to kind of reflect replenish 221 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: our roster more with the draft rather than free agency, 222 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: because we're gonna have money tied up and guys like 223 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: Myles Garrett and Baker Mayfield and Denzel Ward, etcetera. So 224 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: it's not just you know, these guys. And one of 225 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: the things, you know, we always talk about Paul the 226 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: Podesta being here and Andrew baryants the fans can and 227 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: then working in lockstep. It's identifying these things, looking ahead 228 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: to three years, understanding our cap room, now, understanding what 229 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna look like in a couple of years, and 230 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: setting yourself up to look, this is a year where 231 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: we can go out and add a lot of people 232 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: in free agency to buttress this roster. But in a 233 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: couple of years we're not gonna have as much flexibility, 234 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: so that in those years we're gonna need more draft picks. 235 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: And this is a way to get those draft picks 236 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: for you going for him. By the way, some of 237 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: these guys ball out and go sign big deals. They 238 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: could you could have a one year contract that turns 239 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: into a third year, a third round pick for you 240 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: or fourth round pick in the coming drafts, and that's 241 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: pretty important. I want to go back to the girl, 242 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: what you were, what you touched on Sheldon Richardson. I mean, 243 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: he was inside all season, signed as a defensive tackle, injuries, 244 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now he's playing defensive end. Is 245 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: there any chance we see him maybe a little bit 246 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: more continue that trend at defensive end, which allows Billings 247 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: to play inside more consistently. I mean, I think you 248 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: could see that in a situation where we're trying to 249 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: put a jumbo line out there. Sheldon Richardson played defensive 250 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: end last year. Now he was he was fighting. That 251 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: was necessity. That was out of an absolute collapse of 252 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: the defensive end room, and so they did it out 253 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: of necessity. The idea would be absolutely not to do 254 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: that going forward. So I think Sheldon Richardson, you're gonna have. 255 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: That's a good three man rotation with a lot of 256 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: flexibility in terms of the kind of looks and the 257 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: kind of packages you want to put together. And I 258 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: think that's good for the Cleveland Browns. But now Sheldon Richardson, 259 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: I think is gonna be very happy to be a 260 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: defensive tackle. I know he enjoyed it. And maybe in 261 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: some packages you'll see him kick outside and somebody kick inside, 262 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: like a Miles Garrett, just to kind of give a 263 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: different look to the offense. But we should never be 264 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: in a situation we were in last year as it 265 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: relates to our defensive line. At least we all hope not. Yeah, 266 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: I would like that very much, all right. The other 267 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: guy in the safety in the secondary, uh Karl Joseph 268 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: we've we've talked about him already in referencing him to 269 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: some of the other guys that we brought on board. Uh, 270 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: he's been panged up a little bit. He's a hitter though, 271 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: and and Jake Trotter, the Espnnfound Nation reporter, uh that 272 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: covers the Browns with some really great videos about some 273 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: of the hard hits and some of the things that 274 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: he did in college. But here's a guy that is 275 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: gonna make wide receivers think twice going over the middle 276 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: or going deep down the down sidelines. He's super He's 277 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: a super talented guy. And again, when he's been healthy, 278 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: he's played really good, especially the last couple of years. 279 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: And you know, he one of his last plays of 280 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: the season was was making a game winning play before 281 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: he injured suffered the season ending injuries. So he was 282 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: finishing on a good note, just couldn't finish the season 283 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: me on nine games. And he is the pick that 284 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: went off the board in two thousands sixteen, right before 285 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: the Browns took Corey Coleman. So you've added two guys 286 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: eight and fourteen from the two thousand and sixteen draft 287 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: to this roster. So obviously, you know there's it's there. 288 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: It happens in the NBA. You've seen some of these 289 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: guys who are first round talents who don't exactly just 290 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: work with their first team. And I think it's it's 291 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: probably not fair to say Karl Joseph didn't work with 292 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: his first team. It's just one of those guys that 293 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: they decided to move on from. So the talent is there. Uh, 294 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: nothing has been questioned about work at the grading of that, 295 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: It's just gonna be about fit. And as Nathan touched on, 296 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: one of the ultimate things with those one year deals 297 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: is the stats in history proved guys are very motivated 298 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: on when you're fels and sometimes you get some of 299 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: the best production out of these guys. And I was 300 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: I was honestly surprised that you could get Karl Joseph 301 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: on a one year deal. I thought he would fetch 302 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: more than that on the market. But I think he's 303 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: clearly betting on himself and and the Browns are betting 304 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: on getting some good production of him this year. Yeah, 305 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: this is the one of of the signing so far 306 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: on defense that got to be really excited. I think 307 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: Carl Joseph's a tremendous talent. Obviously, the number one ability 308 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: is going to be his availability. But you talk about 309 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: a guy he can play both safety positions. He's improved 310 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: in coverage in his time in the NFL, play both 311 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: free safety and strong for the Raiders a year ago. 312 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: He is a great force safety down in the box, 313 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: always around the top at his position in terms of 314 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: run stop percentage of Pro Football Focus. Three straight years 315 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: of positive grades there as a safety. And he's from 316 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: an athletic standpoint and from a talent standpoint, I mean, 317 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: you're you're getting a pretty good one year rental. And 318 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: of all the guys that we signed here, when I 319 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: think to myself, Okay, who could come out of this 320 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: and end up being a Brown for the next five 321 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: years or so, Karl Josephs the one name that I 322 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: really look at. On the defensive side. Obviously Conklin and 323 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: Hooper that's the expectation and the hope, but defensively, this 324 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: is the one guy with premier talent. The Browns took 325 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: a chance on him, got him, as you said, at 326 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: a depressed value, and now he has an opportunity to 327 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: make himself a lot of money going forward. And the 328 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: Browns have an opportunity to find, you know, their strong 329 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: safety of the future. When you think about it just 330 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: from an athletics standpoint and a hype standpoint coming in. 331 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: You know, you traded Jabrill Pepper's as a part of 332 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: that deal to get Odell Beckham Jr. And Olivier Vernon. 333 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: This could be that that replacement. I mean he does 334 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the same things as Jabril and was 335 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: even more highly regarded coming out of college a few 336 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: years ago than Jabril was. You gotta be good to 337 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: stand out on defense at West Virginia. I mean you 338 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: get that. That's a good that's a good player. I 339 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: mean they don't play much defense there, gonn to play 340 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: any defense in that conference. Yeah. I want to get 341 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: to the other defensive player that we have picked up, 342 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: and that's linebacker B. J. Goodson. Um. You know it 343 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: was played in the play for the Giants, played for 344 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: the Packer. Is solid special teams guy as well, another 345 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: guy that could play a couple of different parts of 346 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: this uh on this football team for you. Uh. Goodson 347 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: on the PFF side, maybe higher than some of our 348 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: linebackers we had last year in certain categories. So a 349 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: guy that's good. You want to talk. We've talked about 350 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: all these guys and expectations. The expectations might not be 351 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: higher for anybody else than they are for Goodson coming 352 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: in here knowing our linebacker situation right now. Nathan Yeah. 353 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy that's never really played 354 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: a full season as a starter. At last year three 355 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: five out of a thousand, seventy one snaps and most 356 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: he's ever played in the season's five thirteen. He did 357 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: start some games last year for Green Bay at both 358 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: the will linebacker position and the mic linebacker position. I 359 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: think he gives you kind of a little bit of insurance. 360 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: I would be surprised if the Browns were done at 361 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: the linebacker spot. And there's still some names, some veterans 362 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: out there that I think could come into this room 363 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: and provide some leadership as well. You know, Michael Kendricks, 364 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: I know we had one down it's with him before. 365 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: But Nigel Road there's I love that guy, and I 366 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: think he brings a very good attitude to the team 367 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: and play well for Seattle. Uh and he was one 368 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: of the reason Seattle lad the league last year. In 369 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: three linebacker formations on defense, UM I don't think we're 370 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: done here. I think Goodson is a guy they think 371 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: can fit into our system and be better than he 372 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: was in the past. And that's one of the things 373 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: you look at with these guys in the twenty six 374 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: year old range, uh, And I think they think Goodson 375 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: can fit that bill along with Taki, Taki, Mack Wilson. 376 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: You've got Davis in that room as well. So I 377 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: don't think we're done in the linebacker room. Gribbs. I 378 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: don't know if you think we're done there, but I 379 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: think Goodson is a piece that I don't think you're 380 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: handing him a starting job. I think he could be 381 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: penciled in right now. Taki Taki would have the right 382 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: to compete with him, or maybe Mac if they look 383 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: at him as the Mike, Mac as the Will, or 384 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: Mac as a Mic and him as the Will. We'll 385 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: see how this all plays out, but I do think 386 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: that he's gonna be a part of a rotation at 387 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: that linebacking spot. And I think, like I said, I 388 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: don't think we're done in that room. Whether it's draft, 389 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: free agency still to go. Yeah, this this was a 390 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: signing that maybe reminding me a little bit of the 391 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: Darius Taylor signing from last year, where he's a solid 392 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: guy with experience. I think he wants, you know, talking 393 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: to him. I think he's got something to prove. I 394 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: think he feels like I think his best season was 395 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: probably two thousand eighteen, like you mentioned with the Giants, 396 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: and I think that he's someone that definitely is gonna 397 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: help you out on special teams, helps your depth at linebacker, 398 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: He helps you from a leadership standpoint. He immediately becomes 399 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: one of the eldest statesmen in that linebacker room, so 400 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: he helps you in a variety of ways. But again, 401 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: I agree you're you're not done at this linebacker spot. 402 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: You've got to get more bodies in there, or you've 403 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: got to expect that the Taki Taki is taking a 404 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: huge jump next year. No pressure, We're all counting on you. 405 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: That's exactly where that stands right now. We've talked about 406 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: a lot of the signings. One that we have not 407 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: talked about yet, Joe, Joe, that's Sagura. I know you're 408 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: awfully excited. Gribbs. I believe you were excited as well. 409 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: University of Akron. His senior year he was at Utah 410 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: State for a couple of years before that, Um had 411 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: a had a couple little minor skirmishes run ins and 412 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: ended up at Akron his senior year. Been in the NFL, 413 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: highly successful as a specialist and a return man. And 414 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: I know on Brown's Daily Today, we played the clip 415 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: from Mike Preefer on his Thursday press conference before we 416 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: played the Rams on Sunday Night Football, and he talked 417 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: about this guy and he raved about this guy, Gribbs. 418 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: Here's a guy that we needed a returner from the 419 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: special team side of things, and you got one here. 420 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: When Joe Joe Nason, I mean, this guy is is 421 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: super fast, super tough. I mean I had to do 422 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: a double take when I saw his stats that he's 423 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: five seven, three pounds. I mean, that's just that's that's 424 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: wild to me. But that shows that how if you're 425 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: that size and you're in the NFL, you're doing something right. 426 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: And both of his averages on kick return and punt return, 427 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: we're better than what the Browns had on kick return. 428 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: And last year it's been a point of emphasis for 429 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: this team to get better. Uh in those areas, do 430 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: they hand in the job at both? Probably not, But 431 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: I think he's the front runner for both and uh, 432 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: you just needed to be better. And I think when 433 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: you talk to Mike pree for we've talked to multiple times, 434 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: it seems like this offseason that uh, they've identified areas 435 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: where they can be better in the return game and 436 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: there is some blocking issues, but it sounded more like 437 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: there were some returning issues as well with guys not 438 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: maybe hitting the holes right or things like that. But 439 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,719 Speaker 1: Joe Joe Natson is very consistent guy to be doing that, 440 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: a good guy to have on your roster that can 441 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: that can do a lot of different things that you know, 442 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: when you're a returnment that probably isn't gonna play much 443 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: a wide receiver, he's gonna go out and earn that job, 444 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: you know that, because it's hard to keep people on 445 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: the roster if you if you're not gonna be starting 446 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: on those special teams areas. But this could ultimately be 447 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: one of these core special teams players for the Brown. Yeah. 448 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: And I think this is again an example of the 449 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: new cb A and you know, fifty five guys on 450 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: the roster, increase of the game day rosters where you're 451 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: gonna be able to carry somebody who maybe purely is 452 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: a specialist, and Joe Joe Natson is regarded as one 453 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: of the better kick and pump return combo guys in 454 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: the NFL. Adds an element of danger to our return game. 455 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: Had a couple of pump return and that's where the 456 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: biggest difference from our us last year. Natson's numbers versus 457 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: what the Browns were able to do on the punt 458 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: return side. Was able to break some punt returns of 459 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: more than twenty yards, which flips the field. He was 460 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: one of the better guys on that side of it. So, 461 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: you know, you think about the Browns and Josh Cribs, 462 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: you have that rich history as a return man, and 463 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: then Travis Benjamin and after that it really kind of 464 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: went put and they've been searching for somebody to fill 465 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: that role for a long time. Gribbs and and gives 466 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: you guys, remember in two thousand and fourteen, we had 467 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: Jim Leonard as a punt catcher. I mean we didn't 468 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: even attempt to return in that season. So to get 469 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: somebody that could potentially be a little bit of a 470 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: weapon for us. And when you think about, you know, 471 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: giving Mike Preefer more tools and his tool belt. I'm 472 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: excited about that because I know that he got the 473 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: best out of our team from a coverage standpoint. A 474 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: year ago, he worked with those rookie kickers and did 475 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: a great job, and what he didn't have was that 476 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: dynamic return man. And now I think with Joe Joe Natson, 477 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: we have that and that gives us another area where 478 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: we could potentially be explosive. Yeah, it's a it's a 479 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: pretty nice pick up a hundred fifty three pounds. I'm 480 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: not coming for the last time I was even remotely 481 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: in that ballpark, but I think, yeah, yeah, I don't 482 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: even know. It's pretty impressive hundred fifties three pounds to 483 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: do exactly what he does. I might have been in 484 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: second grade. I'm not kidding when I say that either. Um, 485 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: all right, at first, look, who's the guy on here 486 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: that helps us the most in if you had to guess, 487 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: gribble will start with you, I'm gonna take a Nathan's answer, 488 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: and I think it's Karl Joseph. I think that's just 489 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: the position you needed, you had to fill it. And 490 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: I think if I'm going with competence on who's gonna 491 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: be starting for this team? In September. If he stays 492 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: healthy to get to that point, Karl Joseph is gonna 493 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: be a starter at one of those safety positions. Yeah, 494 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: I would agree, and I'm glad he got to go first. 495 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: I don't need to expand on that, but yeah, Joseph 496 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: would be my answer. If I'm gonna go for a 497 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: secondary answer, I'm gonna go Sindeo because I think that 498 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: he's gonna be important not only on the field, but 499 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: off the field. As we talked about the age of 500 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: this team, think about the age on the back end. 501 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: You know, Kevin Johnson still a young player, just into 502 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: a second contract, Denzel's young, Greedy is young, Sheldra gread 503 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: Wines in his second year. Hassle is going to be 504 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: in the second year. So for him to be on 505 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: the back end, to have experience with Joe Woods, know 506 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: what Joe Woods wants, know what Jeff Howard wants, know 507 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: what Kevin Stefanski wants. To have that experience and have 508 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: been around those guys to be able to communicate to them. 509 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: Also spending that time in Philadelphia and seeing a team 510 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: you know that as a perennial playoff team there. I 511 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: think that's invaluable, and I think Sendejo is gonna be 512 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: one who Maybe I think he's gonna be good on 513 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: the field, but I think off the field, he's gonna 514 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: be play a major role for our team. It wouldn't 515 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if you had a couple more guys 516 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: like a Sendejo at different position groups that that needs 517 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: some of these guys for better and experience leadership. I 518 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: think Andrew Berry was around here for round one of that, 519 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: and I think that was maybe the one thing where 520 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: they wish they could do over was getting more valuable, 521 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: better into that locker room when you're skewing so young 522 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: and bring the Margo Davis back, bring bring him on back. 523 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: He's done, He's done pretty well. Not available, not available? 524 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: That sad face. Uh, what could the Browns be looking 525 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: for next? And free agency? Free agency is not done. 526 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: We're only technically three days officially into this free agency. Um, 527 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: it's not over by a long shot. And again, there's 528 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: there's some great players out there to Dave and Clowney, 529 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: Joe Thomas maybe h probably not. But there's a lot 530 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: of solid players that are still out there in free 531 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: agency that you can get that can upgrade your football team, Zigura, 532 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: Is there anybody that stands out to you or positions 533 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: that this team still needs to address here in these 534 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: coming weeks. I'll come more from a position. I'll look 535 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: at it. I think we're gonna try to add some 536 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: depth on the defensive line, and that would be in 537 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: the defensive end room, get another pass rusher, and I 538 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: think you know there still is a big decision to 539 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: be made with Olivia Vernon. Are you gonna keep Olivia 540 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: Vernon at fifteen and a half million dollars? Are you 541 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: going to try to restructure with Olivia Vernon or you're 542 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: gonna try to replace him, whether that be in the 543 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: draft and then a cheaper veteran next to him, Or 544 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: are you're gonna go as Joe Stradamas said on CBD 545 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: and go big and go for Jadavean Clowney. So I 546 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: don't think that's I would be surprised if that happens, 547 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: but I think that you know, it sets up in 548 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: my mock draft that we've done, I've said us early 549 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: second round of defensive end because that would kind of 550 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: follow the formula you can pay, you can afford to 551 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: pay Burnon this year and then you have his successor 552 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: in place for next year, and then that money would 553 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: be able to be allocated elsewhere. But I think that 554 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna get another pass rusher or somebody in that room. 555 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: And whether that's the draft for free agency, I'm not sure. 556 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: I definitely think we need to get a veteran into 557 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: the linebacker room. I just think that somebody who's played, 558 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: somebody who's fairly established and been around uh into that room. 559 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: And other than that, you know, you feel pretty good. 560 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: We've signed a lot of guys already. I mean offensively, 561 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: unless you want to bring in a veteran tackle uh 562 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: to either be a swing tackle, you know, you have 563 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: to make a decision, I think at that point on 564 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: Chris hubbard Um. But offensively, I think you're in a 565 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: pretty good spot. I mean, everywhere you look, maybe a 566 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: number three receiver, but I think this draft is so 567 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: rich with them that you're going to attack it in 568 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: that way. So Andrew Barry done a heck of a 569 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: job that in really, you know, taking a defense that 570 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: had so many holes in question marks, and we were 571 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: talking about you know you couldn't put a team on 572 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: the field. You know that you felt necessarily great about 573 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: in terms of starters, and now he's kind of addressed 574 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: that already, so now I'll just be filling in the 575 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: remaining cracks groups. I'll throw this out there, and I 576 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: don't know if it's exactly a position you're going to address, 577 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: but this has been a depressed market for wide receivers 578 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if there's someone out there that you 579 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: can get for something way less than you ever thought 580 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: of a couple of days ago. And I just you know, 581 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of names, a lot of 582 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: not many big names, but you know, this is a 583 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: team that could do. The Browns can do some depth 584 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: and wide receiver. And I just wonder if you go 585 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: attack that market right now, you know, for for some 586 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: kind of players that are out there, whether it be 587 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: like you know, take a flyer on a I think 588 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: Nelson Agilar is still out there. Guys like that are 589 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: are out there that you can maybe add to your 590 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: roster that maybe aren't guaranteed to make her ster, but 591 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: just filling it with some some players who have played 592 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: the position and can help you out and have some experience. 593 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: It's a position that the Browns don't necessarily need, but 594 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: I could see the madding player by the way, I 595 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: like out there a guy who spent some time with 596 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: the Browns. Brashade Perriman, I mean, Brashade Peerman was phenomenal 597 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: with the Bucks last year. I had sixty five yards, 598 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: six touchdowns, eighteen yards and catch has a rapport already 599 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield. We know that whatever portion of the 600 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: off season, if there is one, we're gonna be missing 601 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: one of our outside receivers in this thing. And Brashade 602 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: Peerman is a guy that allows you that flexibility to 603 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: keep Jarvis inside if you do go to the three 604 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: receiver sech which they will do at times in this offense. 605 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: He's a great vertical through it on the outside and 606 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: also with free O'Dell to run some more underneath routes, 607 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: some crossing routes, kind of like Stefon Diggs did in Minnesota, 608 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: where he's able to catch it in space and run 609 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: and make plays. Brashade Perriman is I think would be 610 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: a great pickup. I just wonder what his price tag 611 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: is because he has played really, really well, certainly at 612 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: the end of the year for US in two thousand 613 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: and eight, in and then last year for the Bucks, 614 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: once Mike Evans went out, he kind of filled in 615 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: and was putting up hundred yard games like it was 616 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: no big deal. Yeah, someone something to watch. And and 617 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: I agree, Gribbs, I think that this wide receiver group, 618 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: it might be the time, knowing how deep the wide 619 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: receiver classes in the draft, where you can find some 620 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: diamonds in the rough here over the next few weeks 621 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: that that could show up that wide receiver And all right, 622 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: final one and I'll get you out on this for 623 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: the weekend. We'll gonna be back a few more times. 624 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: We're be doing this a little more often now that 625 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: we figured out this whole video chat deal on Zoom 626 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: as we like to call it. Uh. If you take 627 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: a look number number one pick at number ten, I 628 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: think we can all say they're still gonna Priy go 629 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: offensive line with that pick in the second round. If 630 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: you had to go today, what you know to give 631 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: me a player? What position are you addressing to start 632 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: off the second round and Day two of the NFL draft, Gribble, 633 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: start with you, I'm going pass rusher because you're not 634 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: getting one in the first round most likely, And I 635 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,719 Speaker 1: don't know what unless you're gonna bring in jew and Clowney. 636 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how much you're gonna be able to 637 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: add to that position where you feel great about your depth. Edit. 638 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: So I'm going past rest. Yeah, that's what I had 639 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: in my first knock draft, and I'm gonna stick with. 640 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: I'll even give you a name a turn Gross Maadows 641 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: from Penn State. I love this kid. I think he's 642 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: got an opportunity. I just don't know that he'll be there. Honestly. 643 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: I think that it would be tough for him to 644 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: be amaz he's he's gonna be when he tests if 645 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: he he's. That's the one thing too, that I think 646 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: helps us. He didn't work out at the Combine. Are 647 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: there gonna be pro days for guys that didn't work 648 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,239 Speaker 1: out the Combine That pro days were scheduled after pro 649 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: day stop, so he might not do that, which would 650 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: maybe let him slights. I think he's an athletic, freaking 651 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: I think that happens if we could pounce on him 652 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: early in the second round. I think he'll be very, 653 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: very pleased with the return on that investment. All Right, 654 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: that's a look at what's happened in the three days 655 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: since we last joined you on the best podcast available, 656 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: The Newest Browns. Ten new Browns on this roster as 657 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: we get ready for the twenty twenty season. Gribbs is 658 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: a girl, always a pleasure. Enjoy your weekend. We will 659 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: be back with you next week. 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