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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this episode number today. In

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Speaker 1: the show, we're joined by Brett Joy and Avid Bohunter

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Speaker 1: from New Hampshire and we're talking about bigwoods hunting and

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Speaker 1: traveling to bo hunt. All right, welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick of Gear,

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Speaker 1: and we've got a pretty dark, sunny episode for you today,

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Speaker 1: if I do say so myself, as I've got some

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Speaker 1: story works for you from my early season hunts, and

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Speaker 1: we've got a great guest. Is joining us today is

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Speaker 1: Brett Joy, an avid deer hunter from New Hampshire who's

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Speaker 1: going to chat with us a little bit about hunting

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Speaker 1: mature bucks in the Northeast and is going to share

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Speaker 1: some of his experiences and lessons learned from traveling to

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Speaker 1: hunt white tails too. But before we chat with Brett,

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Speaker 1: me and Dan do have some catching up to do.

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Speaker 1: So how's it going man? You know, Mark, I'm doing

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Speaker 1: pretty good. I got water or I got air in

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Speaker 1: my water lines at home? Uh? What does that mean

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Speaker 1: how did that happen? I don't know. They did some

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Speaker 1: repair on the pump to my house, and uh, I

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Speaker 1: have a well, this has nothing to do with the

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Speaker 1: white tails. No it doesn't. But I'm just letting you

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Speaker 1: know it right now. That's causing a little stress in

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Speaker 1: my in my life. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to hear that.

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Speaker 1: Is there a solution on the way? Uh? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just gotta let him bleed out over time? Gotcha? So

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Speaker 1: can you drink water? Is there any water coming out

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Speaker 1: at all? Or you just have It just shakes the

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Speaker 1: whole house when the air comes through the lines, So

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Speaker 1: it's just like and then spits spits water, spits water,

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Speaker 1: and then we flushed the toilet and then it just

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Speaker 1: like shakes the whole toilet. It's pretty cool. Wow, it

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Speaker 1: sounds like an amusement park in your house. Yep. But

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Speaker 1: let's talk about deer instead. Yeah, because that's that's what

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Speaker 1: calms me down. Yeah, and that is what this whole

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Speaker 1: darned podcast is about. I guess. So that and whiskey.

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Speaker 1: That whiskey. Yeah, so white tails. I don't know you

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Speaker 1: had a couple of hunts already since we talked last

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Speaker 1: anything exciting worth mentioning from those, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: I'll just break it down real quick because I know

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Speaker 1: we want to get to your story. But both properties

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Speaker 1: that I hunted this weekend were the ones that I

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Speaker 1: gained access to the summer that we're closer to my house,

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Speaker 1: all right, So one I did a real quick speed

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Speaker 1: scout mission like day after I gained access to it,

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Speaker 1: and the other one I gained access to last week

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Speaker 1: so at that well two weeks ago, so I didn't

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Speaker 1: scout it at all. So it was basically a running

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Speaker 1: gun right off the bat. And the very first night

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Speaker 1: I'm as I'm sitting in or hanging up my stand,

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Speaker 1: I looked down and I noticed huge rubs just all

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Speaker 1: nights where you hang early season and something comes in.

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Speaker 1: I just had that that really good optimistic feeling I

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Speaker 1: was going to see something exciting. Yeah, I didn't see anything. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's nice to have that little bit of excitement at

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Speaker 1: least thinking you might. Right, And aside from the next

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Speaker 1: The rest of the weekend was just kind of a

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Speaker 1: bust um. Saturday morning, I heard a gunshot and I

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Speaker 1: what sounded like a thousand gunshots. My property is near

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they're shooting for ducks, but it

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Speaker 1: sounds like artillery fire. Yeah, I've had that before, hunting

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Speaker 1: near near a little pond or something. They let them

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Speaker 1: put a good shot on this deer. Right, So, long

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Speaker 1: story short, for the next three hours I started, I

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Speaker 1: And in that three hours, I jumped the dough two times,

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Speaker 1: was like because last year, at the beginning of the year,

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Speaker 1: needed to go this year. Yeah, I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: the beginning of this episode, between your story and mine upcoming.

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Speaker 1: It's that your hosts of the Wired Hunt podcast here

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Speaker 1: are very imperfect hunters. That's right, that's right. We are

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Speaker 1: But it's it's a roller coaster because you're on the

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Speaker 1: need to hear about from your a couple of days. No, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking forward to this weekend. Um, gonna try

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Speaker 1: that's exciting. You can see if the annual pattern occurs again. Huh.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Awesome, awesome. Well, I'm excited to hear about

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Speaker 1: that next week. No show. Jones showed up October seven

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Speaker 1: on the same exact wind that we're going to be

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Speaker 1: be hunting um in on my main farm. So who knows?

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Speaker 1: Will you do make a favor? What's that? Um? Before

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Speaker 1: just want to make sure you know this now, can

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Speaker 1: you just make sure to kill no show Jones. What

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Speaker 1: don't you do that? Please? I promise? Okay, thanks, perfect,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we're on the same page. Well, speaking of

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Speaker 1: killing things, you want to you want to hear the story? No, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I don't. All right, Well, then let's just get Brett

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Speaker 1: on the life. Shut up, let's go. I want to

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Speaker 1: I've seen the bucks and before, and um this is

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Speaker 1: a mixture of white tailent's two winter greens, which are

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Speaker 1: that I needed to draw a deer out of this cover.

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Speaker 1: Because for the first couple of years I hunted this property,

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Speaker 1: A head in there. I get set up in the tree. Immediately.

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Speaker 1: I'd say, now, Dan, we have got to get our

427
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Speaker 1: guests on the line because I think you and me

428
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: and everyone can learn a thing or two from what

429
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Speaker 1: Brett Joy has been doing. Yeah, we're running a little behind.

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Speaker 1: We are all right, let's shut it down and give

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Speaker 1: Bread a call. But before we call it, Brett, we

432
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Speaker 1: do need to take a moment for a word from

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Speaker 1: our partners at Sick of Gear, And last week we

434
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Speaker 1: heard from SIA product category leader Dennith Zuck talking about

435
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Speaker 1: how they developed the Fanatic jacket, which is one of

436
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Speaker 1: my favorite pieces from SIA, And this week we're continuing

437
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Speaker 1: that conversation as Dennis shares with us the basic premise

438
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Speaker 1: in theory behind the entire line of Fanatic products. Which

439
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: now includes several jackets, gloves, hat, a hoodie and more. Yeah,

440
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 1: and and you know it's you know, I used my

441
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Speaker 1: glove sometimes as an example because that glove is is

442
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: our lowest price pointed product. But it's absolutely just nails

443
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: what you would want in a glove if you're gonna

444
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Speaker 1: use a ham pouch and try to use a trigger release. Right. So,

445
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: our fanatic line, whether it's the fanatic coodie, the fanatic

446
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: light you know, or the insulated fanatic pieces, they're all

447
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: about the person we built them for. And you know

448
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: that guy, he's a he's a fanatical hunter. Spence a

449
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: lot of time in the woods, but he's an archery

450
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Speaker 1: guy more than likely, you know. So we're thinking about,

451
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, making sure that when you know the draw

452
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,959
Speaker 1: cycle and you know the easy range of motion and

453
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: those kinds of things. When we build our fanatic systems,

454
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: um typically that involves in front hand pocket. You know,

455
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: we think about the layering when I put something on

456
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: or take something off, Am I still ready? You know?

457
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: So our fanatic system is more about the mindset and

458
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: the needs of that that that archery hunter that we believe,

459
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Speaker 1: you know, we have a lot of the guys that

460
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Speaker 1: really love our gear in that space, and now we

461
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 1: want to make sure they have every tool that they

462
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Speaker 1: could possibly have, and our Fanatic line brings them that.

463
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Speaker 1: What is your favorite piece of the Fanatic line? And I,

464
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Speaker 1: you know, I think when I look at when I

465
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: look at collections, Um, you know, you have stuff that

466
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: fills in need and then you have things that change

467
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Speaker 1: the way you hunt. And I absolutely, you know, as

468
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Speaker 1: a guy who never world hoods, a guy who never

469
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: did you know, always worried about his face mask. Um,

470
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Speaker 1: you might know where I'm going. But my fanatic culty

471
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Speaker 1: and I say, my sick as fanatic couty. But it's

472
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Speaker 1: absolutely a piece and I feel, I feel exposed and

473
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Speaker 1: I don't feel ready if I don't have it on anymore.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine leaving without it. And you know, I

475
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: think something that has that kind of a mental mental

476
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: mental tie in what you do. You know, we all

477
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: do these little things with our bows or other things.

478
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: For me, that piece does that well. I couldn't agree

479
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: more with Dennis on his take regarding the Fanatic cootie,

480
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Speaker 1: because that's a piece that I have been and we'll

481
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Speaker 1: be wearing for every single hunt in two thousand and fifteen.

482
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: It really is just a piece that you always want on.

483
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Speaker 1: It's pretty neat. So if you're interested in the Fanatic

484
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: Hooty or any other pieces from the Fanatic line, visit

485
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Speaker 1: sick of gear dot com to learn more. And now

486
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Speaker 1: let's get Brett on the line. All right, with us

487
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Speaker 1: on the line? Now is Brett Joy Welcome to show, Brette.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me Mark, I appreciate it. But here absolutely,

489
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Speaker 1: we're we're excited to have you on the episode. We already.

490
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Speaker 1: I just shared some some fun stories in the past

491
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Speaker 1: week of my hunting season with Dan on the show,

492
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Speaker 1: so you've got a lot to live up to it.

493
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: We kicked off things on a high note, so don't

494
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Speaker 1: let us down. No, no, no, we're excited to have

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Speaker 1: you on. UM. I first heard about what you've been

496
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Speaker 1: doing in the deer hunting world, Brett, Um, I don't know,

497
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago on the online show Midwest

498
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Speaker 1: White Tail, and I got to share kind of a

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Speaker 1: cool story before before I asked you anything about your background,

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Speaker 1: which I will here in a second for those people listening. UM.

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Speaker 1: Last year on October I was sitting editing a podcast

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Speaker 1: or a article. I can't remember which I was doing something.

503
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: I was editing article and I came across a story

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Speaker 1: from Brett Joy. I think it was either story or

505
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Speaker 1: it was his episode on Midwest White Tail that week,

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Speaker 1: and I was talking about a cold front that had

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Speaker 1: hit in Ohio in the early season. And I'm watching

508
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Speaker 1: this video watching Brett talk about all this, and I

509
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Speaker 1: start to think, in my head, man, you know, that's

510
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Speaker 1: exactly what's happening right now in Ohio. And I knew

511
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Speaker 1: that was going on, but I just had I just

512
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Speaker 1: had this plan in my head that I wasn't gonna

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Speaker 1: go to Ohio until later in the month. But just

514
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Speaker 1: seeing this little trigger got me thinking maybe I should

515
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Speaker 1: get back down there. And because of that, Brett, I

516
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: did go down to Ohio that day, like literally after

517
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: just watching your video, I was like, I'm getting out here.

518
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: I packed up my stuff and drove the five hours

519
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Speaker 1: and the next day I shot the buck that I

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Speaker 1: was after down there. So, UM, I have you to

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Speaker 1: to think or to blame for the whole job breaker story. Um,

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Speaker 1: So that's what interesting background there. I thought you would.

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Speaker 1: I think I told you, but I don't know if

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Speaker 1: anybody else knows that. So pretty crazy how things were called. Yea,

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00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: you did tell me about that. It's pretty neat story.

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00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I remember that. I try because I

527
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Speaker 1: did the same thing. I got a cold front and

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Speaker 1: I said I need to go now and I need

529
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Speaker 1: to be on the farm there and went out and

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Speaker 1: feel a really nice buck and then I you told

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Speaker 1: me you've done the same thing. But definitely something that

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Speaker 1: we said for making a decision last minute going we've

533
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Speaker 1: got especially when to get a cold something like that. Absolutely,

534
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: it's not always easy to get in the stand. You

535
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: have other things planning, you have to kind of drop everything,

536
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: especially for guys like us, you have to drive a

537
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: long ways to get to such that we hunt. But

538
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: you can definitely take a big dividends if you do.

539
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely so. So a couple of things we talked

540
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: about right there are things that I want to dive

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Speaker 1: in with you, you know, specifically some of the challenges

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00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: that we deal with as traveling bow hunters. I know

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00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: you do that a lot, so do why um some

544
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: of the things about you know, hunting tactics and keying

545
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: in on those cold friends and things like that. But

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00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: before before all of that, could you just give us

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00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of background into who you are and

548
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: how you got into hunting these big mature bucks. Well,

549
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: actually it's kind of funny. Obviously I grew up hunting

550
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: and New England and from New Hampshire. Who I looked

551
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: through all my life and um, nobody in my family

552
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: really hunted um, and so I honestly I always love

553
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: to be outdoors. My dad to bid fly fisherman and

554
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: they's ex used to m ray sleddogs with a kind

555
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: of the Siberian huskies. So I've always been outdoors and

556
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: my dad kind of you know, telling me to appreciate

557
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: and love the outdoors, but he was never in a

558
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: hunting and I just, I guess, gained interest in it

559
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: by kind of actually watching it on Sunday mornings on

560
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: TV and just being outside. So a lot of the

561
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: stuff that I did, I was just self taught, and

562
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: I kind of taught myself to hunt and did a

563
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: lot of reading and a lot of research and started

564
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: I probably started hunting those ten or twelve. I went

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Speaker 1: with a couple of uh family friends, but they weren't

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Speaker 1: too serious about it, so I really didn't have much

567
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Speaker 1: of you know, a role model I guess in the

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Speaker 1: hunting world. So I basically figured out on my own

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Speaker 1: and did a lot of reading, um and it was

570
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Speaker 1: really tough to start. I mean in New Hampshire lucky

571
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: if you well, A lot of guys are like that.

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00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: They see a year to all year. So I'm kind

573
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Speaker 1: of I was out in the cold with really no

574
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: nowhere to no idea what I'm doing, and on one

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00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: of the toughest hugh I guess playing fields I could say,

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Speaker 1: in the northeast here, So I learned a lot of

577
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: it on my own. Um. I I haven't I guess

578
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: killed a bunch of deer really because we just we

579
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: don't have that many. Um, but I guess I killed

580
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: enough to know. And I got to a point where

581
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: I decided that I kind of wanted to pressue mature gear.

582
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: And I think I did made that kind of conscious decision.

583
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: I think it was in TWEF thousand seven, So I've

584
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: really been doing it all that long, honestly, But once

585
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: I did, I kind of just build into it at first,

586
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: and that's all I've done, um doing ever since. So UM,

587
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: I just try to learn as much as I can

588
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: and just keep getting better and smarter, and uh, I

589
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: started experience more success, and obviously the video aspect came

590
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: into that along the way, and my filming partner, Roster

591
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: virgin I do a lot of will film everything now

592
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: from mid Us White Tail and for Bill Lanky. So

593
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of I started, and it's just kind of

594
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: growing and growing and growing until until pretty I guess,

595
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: pretty much a lifestyle. So yeah, well it seems like

596
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: you're doing it right based on some of the pictures

597
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: I've seen, You've managed to harvest some some great bucks, um,

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00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: whether it being Ohio or New Hampshire, different places. Um,

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00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: So we're excited to kind of pick your brain and

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00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: figure out exactly how you're doing that, because, like you

601
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Speaker 1: mentioned a minute ago, the Northeast, especially in somewhere like

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire, from what I gather. You know, I've never

603
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: hunted there, but from what I hear, that is one

604
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: of the toughest playing fields out there. So you know,

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00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: I recently saw an episode of Midwest White Tail I

606
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Speaker 1: think it was earlier this year, where you talked about

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Speaker 1: some of your tactics for hunting these kind of big

608
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: woods Northeast type habitats, and I also read an article

609
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: on Field and Stream where they profiled some of your ideas,

610
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: where you talked about how you're doing this at at

611
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: a high level. I guess before we find out how

612
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: you're having success in these types of areas, can you

613
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: kind of just laid explain the Lange Field for us,

614
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: for those of us that aren't hunting an area like that,

615
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: How is the Northeast different from a hunting standpoint compared

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00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: to somewhere like Michigan or Iowa or Ohio. We're me

617
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: and dinner hunting. Well, I think the biggest thing is

618
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: we have next to no agriculture, and any agriculture that

619
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: we do have is kind of an exception. So I'd

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00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: say we're nine five percent forest and are timbered. UM.

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Speaker 1: So really everything there's no you know, hunting bean fields

622
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: or hunt the cornfield or anything like that. Everything um

623
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: that we're doing is directly related to hunting in the

624
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: big timber um. So that's a challenge. UM. A lot

625
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: of them has a lot of topography as well. It's

626
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: some really rugged country, um, not all of it, but

627
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: a lot of it. UM. And also we just have

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00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: a very very low deer density relative to the Midwest

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Speaker 1: or even the south or the west, so it makes

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00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: it a challenge to even fine deer, never mind a

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00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: good one. So um, I think those are the biggest things.

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00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: The other thing is is it's in my opinion a

633
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: good and a bad thing, is that most of the

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00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: land in New England it's pretty much open the public access. Um,

635
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: especially in the Hampshire, we have a lot of that says,

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00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: if land is not posted against hunting, you can hunt it.

637
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: Protress Pass and you can hunt it, and that's commonly accepted.

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00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the New England states,

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00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: at least the ones I've hunted. So it's good because

640
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: you have a lot of areas to hunt, a lot

641
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: of spots on the ground you can explore. But at

642
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: the same time, so than everyone else, and so there

643
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: isn't that many properties that you know are exclusive or

644
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: um highly managed or anything like that, so a lot

645
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: of the properties are pretty much equal. So um, it

646
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: really does create an equal playing field. I mean, I

647
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: think my family and myself have a couple of smaller

648
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: properties that we manage, but you know, it's just I

649
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: mean they're like sixty acres in size, so there's not

650
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: much that you know, we can do what we can

651
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: on those, but these they are obviously living on just

652
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: sixty acres there, living on thousands acres around it, So

653
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: we do have a little bit of an impact, but

654
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: not as much as the light. So really it's just

655
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: kind of where at mercy of it's almost the public land,

656
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, so, I think that's the

657
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: biggest difference is just the landscape. Um, the deer density

658
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: and then that situation um with you know, the open

659
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: access land. Because of the open access Uh, are you

660
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: running into a lot of other hunters or are there

661
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: a lot of other bow hunters in New Hampshire? Um, yess,

662
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: you know we have. I mean there's just kind of

663
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: funny it really defendant where you're hunting some of the

664
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: areas of them then are closer to towns and absolutely

665
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: run into a bunch of hunters. Um. Some of the

666
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: areas are kind of I'm talking like three four thousand

667
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: acres of continuous timber were just unbroken and if they

668
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: get pressure, but they're not it's not intense intense pressure.

669
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: We don't have like the numbers of hunters defense of Daniel,

670
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: Ohio or Michigan Hazar anything like that. But um, We're

671
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: not a big state either, so um, yeah, they're getting pressure.

672
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: It depends obviously on where you are that some areas

673
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: get far less pressure than others. Those areas obviously like

674
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: focus on because that's where I find deer movings somewhat

675
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: naturally and uh and some of the older dear obviously

676
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: living in those areas that can at least amount of

677
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: hunting pressure human trusion. So in this type of scenario,

678
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: I imagine if you plunked me down in the middle

679
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: of New Hampshire or somewhere up there, I think the

680
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: toughest thing for me, given how different you have explained

681
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: the terrain is, and from what I've heard, you know,

682
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: I think that one of the most difficult things would

683
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: be just figuring out, you know, where do you start?

684
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: You know, how do you figure out where to start

685
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: focusing your time and your scouting efforts when you have

686
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands of acres of continuous timber.

687
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: You know, how do you start? I guess that's my question?

688
00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: How do you start? Yeah, I'm looking at a hunt

689
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: a new area or you know, look for a new spot,

690
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: which I'm always trying to do because nothing's constant hunting roller.

691
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: You know, someone might or somebody might sell the land

692
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: and might be a housing development where I used to hunter,

693
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: UM land could be posted bought up. So it's always changing,

694
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: so you always need to try to develop new spots

695
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: and find new areas UM. But I'm big on in

696
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: on the internet and digital scouting, the will aerial photos

697
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: and TOCO and all that type of thing, and I

698
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: try to look for UM a few different things, especially

699
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: in our area. I'm looking for UM different habitat types

700
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: that are converging UM, a lot of edge habitat UM

701
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: so and I'm looking for betting and food and a

702
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff is pretty difficult to differentiate on

703
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, an aerial photo or topple map. But I'm

704
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: and my area specifically, I'm looking for betting areas as

705
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: swamps and cattail swamps are early succession growth areas of

706
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: ben timbered or really steep rugged country or high country

707
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: with a lot of mountains. They're not really big mountains,

708
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: but they're big enough the trader considered mountains, so a

709
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: lot of the bucks will better pie on the side hills.

710
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: So I'm looking for those type areads and I'm looking for,

711
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, significant stands of hardwood forest UM. Red oaks

712
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: are the most prevalent hard mass producing species in our area.

713
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: We do have some whites, but obviously they're less UM

714
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: I guess reliable, and we just don't have as many UM.

715
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: So it's mostly red oak. And we actually have a

716
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: lot of apples. We have a lot of old apple

717
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: orchards and a lot of just isolated pocket the trees

718
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: and most can be really good as well. UM. Some

719
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: of that stuff you can identify on aerials and topograph

720
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: of the map, but some of it you guess you

721
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: have to go in and you know, walk and and

722
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: see for yourself. So I really just start with that stuff.

723
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking for those habits that times and you can

724
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: kind of see difference on like Google Earth is the

725
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: one I use UM the most, or big maps do

726
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: you can kind of see those slight changes in forest

727
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: types that goes from like maybe mature hardwoods to uh,

728
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: stand up cumlocks or a swamp or anything like that.

729
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: So you can kind of see that when I look

730
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: at that, I'm looking prairies that have usually two or

731
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: more of these different habitat types or features UM in

732
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: the same area. And then I'm looking for proximity to

733
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: like access um fuctomy to a road or to an

734
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: area that I am aware that there's a lot of

735
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: human traffic because those areas probably gonna get a lot

736
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: of pressure. Um. There's a lot of really good areas,

737
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: awesome habitat, mean the problem is that they're supposed to houses. Um,

738
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: So we don't have many like secluded like outports. It's

739
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: like way out in September. Um. A lot of these

740
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: stuff are close to houses too, So it's kind of

741
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: a balancing act. You want to find the area fast habitat,

742
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: but at the same time you want to be careful

743
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: you don't wasting a bunch of time somewhere where it

744
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: come over and gate's gonna be a bunch of guys

745
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: in the woods because you're just gonna do very well. Yeah.

746
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: So so you know, keep keep us going thro this process.

747
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: You've looked on Google Earth or bing bing maps, and

748
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: you found some of these different terrain features you're looking for.

749
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: There's different types of cover. What happens next? Are you

750
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: is this all happening in the spring or the summer?

751
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: And then you know what are you doing from that point?

752
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: Once you find these things on your maps. Yeah, typically

753
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: I start, um, we're on shed seasons, so I like

754
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: to start, you know, February and March when I get

755
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: a little more time, UM, and I'm not worried about

756
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: bumping to or anything like that, So I'll start, you know,

757
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: over the winters you're looking at that stuff. And then

758
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: obviously the best time to do any type of study,

759
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is right after the season, um, hopefully

760
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: before we get a bunch of snows to still see

761
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: some of the sign on the ground. We do get

762
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: significant snowfall in my area, so I like to try

763
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: to catch it before that happens, or even you know

764
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: late later in the winter when it starts to melt.

765
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 1: But then I'll go in Lece. I identify a couple

766
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: of areas, just walk them, and people know pretty quick

767
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: whether it's signed there, there's you're there um or at

768
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: least um if you have experience up here. One of

769
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: the things that's the big challenges. We don't have a

770
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: bunch of deer, so they don't lay down a bunch

771
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: of sign, and there's not just you know, overwhelmingly obvious

772
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: sign in these areas. And I'm going into it a

773
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: lot of times it's very subtle. But if there's no

774
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: sign and it's you're just not in a great area,

775
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: you won't see anything it look like a deer or what.

776
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: They'll never existed within miles of the area. She kind

777
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: of crossed that off. Um, And obviously they'll change from

778
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: year to year because you know, I'll be looking at

779
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: time for the previous year. Food source has changed, and

780
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: stuff is always changing in the woods up here. So

781
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: just because there's a sign, there's a lot of sign

782
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: from last year it looked like a great area, I'm

783
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: still gonna have to go in, you know, and run

784
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: cameras and and keep cabs on the area to make

785
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: sure her to determine whether deer doing the same things

786
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: this year that I think that they were last year.

787
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, in the winter, I'll start with go ahead.

788
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, so what would qualify then as

789
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: enough sign to make you interested? And then what specifically

790
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: is that signs? So are we talk I like rutts signed,

791
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: like some scrapes and rubs that you can see from

792
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: last year, or are you just saying Okay, I see

793
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: a handful of tracks, that's enough. You know what specifically

794
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: will be good enough. Um, really any sible sign to

795
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: be honestly, because really there is here at least so little. Um.

796
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, if I see, you know, a trail that's visible,

797
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: you know after the season in the worl on here,

798
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: you have to search for him, um, just because we

799
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: just don't have a high deer desty. So yeah, if

800
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: I find a trail that's visible still and you know

801
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: with tracks in it, I know that's probably an ara

802
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: high traffic. Um. Yeah. Rubs and scrapes. Um. We have

803
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: arch trees and because of there're a climate of found

804
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: they don't regenerate very fast. So we can see scrapes

805
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: for like many years back, like three or four or

806
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: five years sometimes I'm sorry, not scrap ruts on trees. Um.

807
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: I know in Ohio, a buckle maker rub on a

808
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: tree the year before and then it's completely healed up

809
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: and growing over by the next year. And that always

810
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: amazed me, amazed me going from the Hampshire, Ohio that,

811
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, man, this it's just year

812
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: over that tre you know has made that year. That's

813
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: not the case here. So we can kind of see

814
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: if it's historically been an area where a buck has

815
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: been using um, which is nice um. But those are

816
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: the types of things I'm looking for really um. And

817
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: then the other thing is just the cover type to

818
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: get in there and see, Okay, yeah, these are big

819
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: masure red oaks. They looked like they're on the map,

820
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: but I wasn't sure, and you know they're probably gonna

821
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: be mass producers or just to go in there and

822
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, an area might look like it was uh timber,

823
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, a few years back, but then you go

824
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: in there and you're like, man, this that's fifteen years old.

825
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: Everything's grown up, grown up, and it's mid succession, and

826
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: there's really not a lot of browser bettings for the deer,

827
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: and it's probably not gonna be in the area that's

828
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: gonna hold deer. So just trying to confirm what he's

829
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: suspected looking at the areas, then going in and find

830
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: any sign whatsoever. And then obviously wanna look for three

831
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: stands and signs of other hunters in the area, And

832
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: if there's a lot of that, I'll probably write it

833
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: off as well, because that's kind of the not an

834
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: area I want to spend a bunch of time. So

835
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: one of the things that I as I'm thinking through

836
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: this scenario, one of the challenges that I'm seeing, I'm

837
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: assuming might be there is, you know, if if you're

838
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: if you're keying in on a lot of these habitat

839
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: types like early successional cover, you know, cutovers, things like

840
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: that that can be both feeding area and betting area

841
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: in some cases, and you know the same thing like

842
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: when you're hunting, you know oak trees, there could be

843
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: betting right there near this little oak stand and they're

844
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: feeding and bedding kind of the same kind of place.

845
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: How do you how do you deal with that or

846
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: is that something you're actually dealing with I guess is

847
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: my assumption correct? And then how do you how do

848
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: you figure out where the actual betting is versus the

849
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: actual feeding? How do you take advantage of that? Yeah? Absolutely,

850
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: that's probably one of the biggest challenges who faces that

851
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: all these areas overlap. And what I try to do,

852
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: and I don't know if everybody else this, but I

853
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: tried just to make generalizations about different habitat ties and say, Okay,

854
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: this is a I'm gonna figure that they're gonna feed here,

855
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: and maybe it's on the cattail swamp they're gonna bed here,

856
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: and then I try to I guess hunt it or

857
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: set stands under that assumption. Now it's not always correcting. Yeah,

858
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm when we set up for a certain wind

859
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: bolling for what I assume to be the betting to

860
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, to me away from the betting. Um, and

861
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be wrong. Idea is going to come in

862
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: from doaks and head towards cattil swat for towards the

863
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: cut defeat. So you know, that's a really big challenge

864
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of the guys the hunt around here

865
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: aren't too keen on playing the wind because of that,

866
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, a deer come from anywhere.

867
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: How what's the point of playing the wind? They can

868
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: come from anywhere, and a lot of times they do.

869
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: But I would say, um, more often probably than not,

870
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: sticking to those uh bed to see patterns, I guess

871
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 1: that you can at least at least have something to

872
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: to hunt to go on, you know, like, because if

873
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: you're in like you said, it's kind of difficult. It's

874
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: you're in this timber and this you know, two thousand

875
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: eight or pie September, and you're trying to figure out

876
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: what's what. Um. If you don't make an assumption or

877
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: try to have a theory on whether betting and eating,

878
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: then you don't really have anything and it's kind of

879
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: sit in the woods. So that's what I try to

880
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: do is figure Okay, this buck is betting here and

881
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: feeding here, and um I'll what I try to do

882
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: is confirmed that with trail cameras. They actually started doing that.

883
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: Um outset stands accordingly, but sometimes I'm wrong. A lot

884
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: of times I am. So it's it's it's a challenge.

885
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: It's a very very daunting tash trying to figure out

886
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: what's what because everything does overlap and it changes with

887
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: the time of year as well. Right there. It never

888
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: makes it easy for you. So you mentioned you're trying

889
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: to confirm some of these things with your cameras. Can

890
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: you walk us through exactly how you are using cameras? Yeah, um,

891
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: I'd say that the biggest cool of my success is

892
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: definitely trail cameras, just because um, our deer are not

893
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: visible at all. Um. As I told you before, we're

894
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: nine timber in the areas that I hunt, So we're

895
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: never going to glass the field in the summer and

896
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: see a velvet block. I mean we do occasionally, we

897
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: do have some smaller you know, a ten acre or

898
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: eight fields, a real big one, but a lot of

899
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: times the majority of ready are just start coming out

900
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: to those fields during um daylight. And the hate quality

901
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: isn't great. It's not like you know, great health Falford

902
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: cloverts Hey, that's been seated ten years ago and it's

903
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: just hey, it every year, so it's not like it's

904
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: really highly nutritious or valuable food source. But they do

905
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: use them. But UM, where was they going with that? Um?

906
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: What was the question? How are you how you're using

907
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: those trail cameras to start confirmed? Yeah? So what accepted?

908
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: We do? Do? I start running my creolo cameras over

909
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: the summer, how usually set July first and start stay. Um,

910
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: and I'm running them in those areas that um, maybe

911
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm scouting for a new spot just hear the year.

912
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: UM don't want to hunt four areas that I've hunted

913
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: for years in the past. Um, And they're pretty important

914
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: to the way I hunt, um, just because if you're

915
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,959
Speaker 1: targeting a specific funk, you have to know he's there

916
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: and there weren't for trail cameras. We probably wouldn't know

917
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: these deer here just because we're so heavily timbered. Um

918
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: our deer do not very visible. We can't go and

919
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: glass a d field or and now felt feel like

920
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: you could in the Midwest, um com many of the

921
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: South or even out west. So we're using these cameras

922
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: to first finding deer or find the deer are there, um,

923
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: and then furthermore to confirm what we think they're doing. UM.

924
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm usually running them, try to run them on whatever

925
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 1: food source I think they're using, because uh, I don't

926
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: expect them to be there during the day at all.

927
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: Um So I don't want to run cameras in any

928
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: areas where at my bumpies deer or they might run in,

929
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: or where they're not used to running into human I

930
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: guess odor or intrusion as well. UM, So I'm gonna

931
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: try to run them off mebe one of these little

932
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: hate fields that we have, or maybe off um orchard

933
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: working apple orchard, or or anywhere I can really access

934
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: in those of areas that started out easily that I

935
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: don't think it would it be. Then I'm bumping deer.

936
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: Um a deer very very non curnal, I think more

937
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: so than a lot of the other deerre pilots around

938
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: the country. UM, so I can kind of pretty much

939
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: coun on and not going to be that food source

940
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: during the day, UM and then maybe very close. But

941
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: I you know, the way I do it. I try

942
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: to go in low impact with just the wind in

943
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: my favor. And I'm learning these cameras UM obviously paying

944
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: attention to scent and set them on these food sources.

945
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: And I started early in the summer and try to

946
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: get pictures of them, and that's going to confirm that

947
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: they're there and that they are seeing in that area.

948
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: You know, if I don't get a picture of mature buckle,

949
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: those moves can with UM. But then sometimes I'll will

950
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: be once the season it's closer, that might just get

951
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: a little closer to betting with the camera if I

952
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: think I can get away with it. And I'm really

953
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: really cautious when I do that, UM, And I'm trying

954
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: to move and maybe into some of these transition areas

955
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: between uh they're betting areas and the feeding areas. So UM,

956
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: once I'm done that, I can get a pretty good

957
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: idea they are and there in fact, doing what I

958
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: suspect that they're doing and using the specific betting or

959
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: feeding area. Um, So that's kind of how I do it. Um.

960
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: Obviously these exceptions call that and that's not what I

961
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: do every time, But that's kind of the plan going forward. UM,

962
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: when I have a clean slate. So you've got you've

963
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: scotted this places, you've identified some key terrain features, You've

964
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: confirmed things with your trail cameras. Now let's say it's

965
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: hunting season. You know, do you are you actually hunting

966
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: these types of places differently in any way than how

967
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: you might be hunting an area in Ohio with agriculture

968
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: and timber mixed up. Um? Or is it? Is it

969
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: basically the same thing once you determine where those potential

970
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: food sources are, where those potential betting areas, make your assumptions. Um,

971
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, what does that beginning the season look like

972
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: when you start actually going to hunt? Well, I always

973
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: tell everybody it looks different, but the game's the same

974
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: no matter where you're hunting white tails. Um, they're bed

975
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: in one air and see in another. And they could

976
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: be betting in a river bottom in Montana, and you

977
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: know it's got one a half mile to get to

978
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: El foul Fa. They could be setting you know, in

979
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: on a ridge and island going to the lean field,

980
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: or they could be betting in catchim and going to

981
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: a stand about. So the game is the same hunting

982
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: these deer, and that if you pattern in the early

983
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: season and most of the season up until the rut.

984
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not in the same way I was

985
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: out there. I just might not be sitting on a

986
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: food plot or a field act or anything like that.

987
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: It might be in six to cover less obvious, more

988
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: subtle areas. And typically in the early season trying to

989
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: get get off the food tours a little bit because

990
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: like I said, most of these deer aren't getting there

991
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: until after shooting light. Um. So I just try to

992
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: kind of walk it back. And I'm very cautious when

993
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: I was going in a little of the the time closer

994
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: and close to bedding. Um. But if a dear isn't,

995
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, moving close to daylight at all, I just

996
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: want on them and I'll just sit back and wait. Okay.

997
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: So one of the things you mentioned kind of subtle

998
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: subtleties you have to pay attention to differently. Now in

999
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: the northeast and trying like that versus some of these

1000
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: other places where things are a little more obvious. Um.

1001
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: One of the subtle features that I imagine you're paying

1002
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: attention to, and you mentioned earlier a little bit was

1003
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: terrain and topography. Can you share this a little bit

1004
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: about how you're seeing, dear you, specific topographic features in

1005
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: your area, and how you are then taking advantage of that. Yeah,

1006
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: and you know it's we have a lot of varying terrain,

1007
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: so I kind of see a little bit of everything.

1008
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: We don't have any real little real flat you know,

1009
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: open ground like that or flat ground, but I see

1010
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: some rolling topography, some bottom land stuff, um, and then

1011
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: obviously some mountain stuff. But um, really it's pretty similar

1012
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: to were hint anywhere else in the victim where you're

1013
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: trying to pay attention to saddles and pinch points, um.

1014
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: And a lot of people and I do pay attention

1015
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: to topography a lot, but a lot of things are

1016
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 1: a lot of UM. Some of the features that people

1017
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: overlook I think are just changers in habitat type that uh,

1018
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: final dear movement or um concentrary deer movement, um, our

1019
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: dear love fixed off to bed in and to live in.

1020
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 1: But they don't like to walk through it, so they're

1021
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: gonna avoid it. Um So some of these early succession

1022
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: cuts are great, um, great areas to final deer because

1023
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: they'll actually walk around the edge of the cut and

1024
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: then maybe have a pond or a swamp or a

1025
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: speech deep bridge that comes right down to that cut,

1026
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: and then that's a great great place to hunt, you know,

1027
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: if it can pose proximity to that feeding are in area.

1028
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: So I see a lot of that. Um So, water

1029
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: is a great thing to water or swans or any

1030
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: what what what? Um ground is a great thing a

1031
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: funnels the de activity um the potography obviously, well, I

1032
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: guess had points under it is just a great um

1033
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: just to catch a buckets, come back to bed, or

1034
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: excruison doing the rut um in any saddle or bench

1035
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: on a ridge too. Those are great, but those are

1036
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm really focused on those more towards the rut um.

1037
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: So really, I guess the potgraphy, or I guess habitat

1038
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: features in the focus on in September and October are

1039
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: left out. They just might use a slight slight depression

1040
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: or slant high figure on a ridge to get from

1041
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 1: vent to food until I set up on that UM.

1042
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes they don't use them because they're

1043
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: just not maybe in between the betting area and the

1044
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: feeding area, there isn't really anything to funnels them down

1045
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: UM dramatically, and they might not use what you think

1046
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 1: they're going to UM and then you adjust and maybe

1047
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: they don't use the same feature every day too. UM.

1048
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: So I mostly tried to turn to get in between

1049
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: betting and feed and there might be something between there

1050
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: that's kind of help, uh, the narrowed down where they're

1051
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: gonna walk, But a lot of times there is and

1052
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: I kind of start to hunt pinch points and topography

1053
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: a lot more during the rut. Yeah, that makes sense,

1054
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: That makes sense. That seems you know, it seems very

1055
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: in line with you know, what a lot of us

1056
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: are dealing with in other places. To UM can actually

1057
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: one of the things, right that I like to do

1058
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: with trail cameras to determine, you know, where I'm gonna

1059
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: hunt in relation to bed and food. UM, say you

1060
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: have a betting area to the south and feeding to

1061
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: the north. We'll do if I think I can do

1062
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: without putting a lot of pressure on the deer or

1063
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: the buckt in them. Hunting is run cameras kind of

1064
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: a line from the east of the west determined what

1065
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: trail or what path he's actually taking to get to

1066
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: that feeding area, because there isn't something that's you know,

1067
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: very obvious um and dramatically um pincher's movement or funnel

1068
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: his movements. So that I've used that in the past

1069
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: out and that has been a really critical tool. But

1070
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 1: you have to be careful of it because you don't

1071
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: want to get too close to the bed and bump

1072
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 1: him or put too much pressure in an area where

1073
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: he's not accustomed to um encountering human center human activity.

1074
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: But that that's a really good tool that I use

1075
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 1: a lot, and it takes a fair amount of cameras,

1076
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: but if you can do that, you can really figure

1077
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: out exactly how it's how he's traveling within this core

1078
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: area to get between bed and food. I like that.

1079
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: That's something I've always thought about doing and wanted to do,

1080
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 1: and just never put the time and energy and invested

1081
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: all my trail camera resources into you know, really hammering

1082
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: one area like that. But it makes a lot of sense,

1083
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: it makes it makes all the sense in the world

1084
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: to try something like that to narrow it all down. Yeah,

1085
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: if you want to hunt, you know, if you're focus

1086
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: on wants to set a buck, then that can be

1087
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: a great tool. Obviously you don't want to we we

1088
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: tell your trail care resources in one area if you're

1089
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: not really dead side on one deer. But a lot

1090
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: of times I get one dar in my head and

1091
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: that's kind of answered for me, so after him. So

1092
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: I'll just do everything I can to figure out exactly

1093
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: what he's doing. And the one thing I found with

1094
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: that too is a lot of times a different buck

1095
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: will use kind of the same trail the cure bucks.

1096
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: You kill that buck or he gets killed and he

1097
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: moves off. The guys the next year, you know, years

1098
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: down the road. Um, what you found from kind of

1099
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: walking back those cameras a little bit, you can use

1100
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: to hunt a different geer. And I sometimes won't even

1101
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: if I'm hunting the same area that hunt of the

1102
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: forehead experience, I won't need to do that anymore. I'll

1103
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: just put one camera where I was getting him the

1104
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: other buck in. Then more often than not, that different

1105
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: buck is using the same train feature. Um, the settles

1106
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: that maybe to get from bead to food, so so

1107
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: big on that. Yeah, you know, those those Bucks are

1108
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 1: using an area for a reason, so it makes sense

1109
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: that another Buck will find that same reason and take

1110
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: advantage of all. Right now, before we continue on with

1111
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,600
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Speaker 1: And now back to the show, what's the rut look

1140
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: like in the Northeast? I mean, with these low numbers,

1141
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: are are the bucks doing a lot of cruising? The

1142
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: rut is a funny thing up here, um, And the

1143
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: biggest reason I think it's a funny thing is because

1144
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: a lot of our gun seasons come in right around

1145
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: the first November. Our muzzle season starts November first around there,

1146
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: at least in a couple of days, Um goes for

1147
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: eleven days and then our firearmpties and starts, so we

1148
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: have a month's solid of November gun hunt it and

1149
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: that really really really impacts the rut. Um, can you

1150
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: hear me, Yeah, yeah, I was just thinking that. Um. Yeah,

1151
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: so that really suppresses the rut, and it really kind

1152
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: of changes, um what you see. Whereas you know, if

1153
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: you're hunting an area that doesn't have a lot of pressure,

1154
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna see more of a rut I think. But

1155
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: most of our rud activity is suppressed to after dark

1156
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: in my opinion. I mean, I do to some of it,

1157
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: but it's nothing like could expect. Um. And the other

1158
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: thing is if you get you know, one hot dough

1159
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: that's half a mile away, um, you're not gonna see

1160
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: anything at all. It's not like we don't have a

1161
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: bunch of deer. It's not like we can sit on

1162
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, near with a bunch of doughs. There might

1163
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: be one or two dolls in an area. So then

1164
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: if we're not right there, then we're not gonn see anything.

1165
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: So the rut can be really slow. Um. Obviously they're

1166
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: white tails and they they do walk and have a

1167
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: lot of ground during the rut. UM. So yeah, if

1168
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: you put in your time and you're sitting in the

1169
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: right area, you can have some success. But I've had,

1170
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: especially for bow hunting, about a lot of times guys

1171
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: are gun hunting the rut and they're still hunting or

1172
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: tracking or doing something like that, and they're getting into

1173
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: the year and they're following tracks, so they can be

1174
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: pretty effective. But I typically don't gun hunt, and I

1175
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: haven't shot out a bucket the gun and and I

1176
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: think since two thousand eight, so I'm typically bow hunting.

1177
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: And obviously that doesn't really work for me if I'm

1178
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: trying to walk around and track year of the post. So, um,

1179
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: it can be pretty tough. Um. Some of the states

1180
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 1: like Massachusetts, UM, I know they see a lot better

1181
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: run activity because their gun season start using it to

1182
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: December uh first, so you'll see a lot more activity there.

1183
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: But from what I do see, UM, it's just like

1184
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: anywhere else, I'm hunting. This topography mostly or a pinch

1185
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: points um close to where I know there's a good

1186
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: buck and I could just be like a bench on

1187
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: the ridge or um. You know, you're just a pinch

1188
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: point between a cattail, swamp and the pond or like

1189
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: God or something like that. So it's pretty typical at

1190
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: say off anywhere else doing The only thing is it's

1191
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: just tough because you have a lot of done pressure

1192
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: and that kind of this makes everything about the window

1193
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: that you knew before November one, So you got to

1194
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: be definitely a challenge and that's a lot of times.

1195
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: That's why I do a lot of my honest behind

1196
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: during the rut. So I'm trying to kill a good

1197
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: buck in September and October, UM get home and then

1198
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: usually during the rut, I leave and go bon somewhere else. Yeah,

1199
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: So that's that's a perfect segue to the next thing

1200
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: we want to talk to you about, Brett, which is

1201
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: those traveling hunts that I know you do. Um, can

1202
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 1: you share with us? I I was going to ask

1203
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: you why you're doing that, but I think it's kind

1204
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: of obvious now as you just mentioned some of the

1205
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: challenges during the rut there in in New Hampshire. So

1206
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: when it comes to you head into these other states,

1207
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: what you know, what is the biggest thing that you've

1208
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: learned now that you've been doing this for some period

1209
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: of time, you know, what's the biggest thing that you're

1210
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: able to do now that's making you successful on these

1211
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: outer state hunts that maybe when you first started you

1212
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: struggled with. UM. When I first started, I just was

1213
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: excited to hunt outside New Englands here. I think that's

1214
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that leave New England are excited

1215
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: to do. They just want to see you here and

1216
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: you're excited because they get three or four GO tags.

1217
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: And it's funny because UM, that's kind of how what

1218
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: is and how it was for me, UM and I

1219
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: So basically I just kind of looked for areas with

1220
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: a lot of deer, you know, a target rich environment. UM.

1221
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: And so that led me to places like Maryland or

1222
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: New York State or something like that for one of

1223
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 1: those places. UM, but I kind of shifted from that,

1224
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: UM I guess mindset when I wanted to hunt maturity here.

1225
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: So I've just done a lot of research online and

1226
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: UM did a lot of reading and talked to a

1227
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: lot of people and try to identify some areas that

1228
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: have higher quality to dear, higher percentage of mature boxy

1229
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: gage structure. And then obviously here is just some better

1230
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: genetics and that's kind of led me to Ohio and

1231
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: some of the other places I hunt that you're running Iowa.

1232
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: So um, I guess that's how I've done that, But

1233
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean I don't look at anything. You know a

1234
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: lot of the available resources, it's available anybody like Boone

1235
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: and Crockett map or um hoping young records or anything

1236
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: like that, or just you know, word them out. A

1237
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 1: lot of times you can find out about a really

1238
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: good overlooked area, just like talking about the local or

1239
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: calling a m conservation or fishing getings we call it

1240
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: office and talking to someone there. Yeah. So one of

1241
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: the biggest challenges I think a lot of people have

1242
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: um or maybe one of the things that a lot

1243
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: of people are intimidated by when they live somewhere far

1244
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: away from some of these more renowned dear states, is

1245
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: just figuring out know where to hunt? How do I

1246
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: get somewhere to hunt? We've talked about this sometimes in

1247
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: the podcast ourselves, but I'd be curious to hear from

1248
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: your standpoint, Brett, how have you been able to find

1249
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: places to hunt, you know, specifically getting a farm or

1250
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: somewhere to hunt or are you just targeting public land?

1251
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: How are you getting that spot. Yeah, I think there's

1252
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: probably three avenues that use first public land. UM. But

1253
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm very very selective. If I'm going to travel down

1254
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: public land, I want to make sure that I know

1255
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: at least maybe some firsthand knowledge of how it lays

1256
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: and you know what goes on there. Um. So I'm

1257
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: looking for aers or not they are overlooked, but overlook

1258
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: public land or areas that don't get a lot of pressure. Um.

1259
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: We've kind of found that out west in Montana, UM,

1260
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: when we go to White Tails, because most everybody's folks

1261
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: on you will geting out that time of year, and

1262
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: we find that we don't really see any hunters on

1263
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: public land. UM. So I guess for public land, that's

1264
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: what I look for then. UM. The other thing is

1265
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: just a network and really just talk to as many

1266
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: people as you can and maybe acquaintances or friends, family

1267
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: and anybody that knows someone in an area that you're

1268
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: interested in hunting. Just try to talk to them and

1269
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: ask them. And you know, a lot of times you

1270
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: won't come with anything, but one of those times you might,

1271
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: um come up with something really good. The farm I'm

1272
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: actually doing hunt an Iola this year. UM, I got

1273
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: permissioned on because of a friendship in New Hampshire. So

1274
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: that was kind of a long shot that I'd ever

1275
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: find a place hunt in Iowa from just a relationship

1276
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: I had New Hampshire. But it did work out and

1277
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: it turns out it's a really good farm and I'm

1278
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: excited to go hunter. Um So I think, you know,

1279
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen all the times that you're gonna be

1280
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: able to network with someone that's gonna get you a

1281
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: great plash on. But it is worth exploring and just

1282
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: talking to people. Um. The one thing I would, I

1283
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: guess be aware of is a lot of times when

1284
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: you're doing that, you're talking to non hunters, and they

1285
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: can they don't have a very accurate, I guess perception

1286
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: of account of how that property that you might be

1287
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: talking talking about hunting actually is. So it might be

1288
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: really not a great property, might be way better than

1289
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: they think. So just try to, you know, use your

1290
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: best judgment and and uh gather as much information as

1291
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: you can and keep in mind who you're talking to.

1292
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: If you're talking to some of the hunts the ture

1293
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: Bucks every year, then yeah, you can pretty much see

1294
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: what they say is you know, truth. But if you're

1295
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: talking to someone that just doesn't hunt, they're not gonna

1296
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: be able to tell you that, Yeah, I mean I

1297
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: saw a bunch of five old bucks to last year,

1298
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: then it might tell I see here all the time.

1299
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: Will that could be in anything. So I think you

1300
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: have to kind of be careful on that one. You

1301
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: don't want to go into something and waste a bunch

1302
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: of time. Um But other than that, I also the

1303
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: farm that I are, the farms are on the Ohio

1304
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: and leasing and that can even be a huge challenge

1305
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: to find a place to lease out there. And um,

1306
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: I kind of got into that situation just with developing

1307
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: relationships with landowners over the years from going out and

1308
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: hunting some public I can talking to people and um

1309
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: it took a while, but I finally have some pretty

1310
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: good place to time out there. Um So I I

1311
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: guess it's be as proactive as you can, talk to

1312
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: as many people as you can, just read as much

1313
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: as you can online. A lot of people think that

1314
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: everything online is not everything online, but there's a lot

1315
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: of misinformation online and it probably is, but there's a

1316
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: lot of good information too, and you can do a

1317
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: lot of research and to figure out a lot, just

1318
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: like you know a Google searcher, um getting on some

1319
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: of the forums like archery Talk anything like that. So

1320
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: I think you have to use a combination of everything

1321
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of times, and you're not gonna end

1322
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: up with much one or two good spots as only need. Yeah.

1323
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: So so when you do have a good spot or two,

1324
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, are you scouting or able to manage these

1325
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: properties in any way at all given the distance, or

1326
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: are you basically getting a property and then doing some

1327
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: digital work and then just heading into hunt. I do both.

1328
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: It depends of course how close and how easily they

1329
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: can get there. Um. When I when the farm I'm hunting,

1330
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: and I've been to a couple of times before. Um

1331
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: I was there this summer, so I was able to

1332
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: do a little bit on and I have a couple

1333
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: of friends that uh I'm middles like it really helped

1334
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: me out with that too, around some cameras and doing

1335
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of work on it. So I'm fortunate

1336
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: in that regard on that particular property. But when we

1337
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: go and hunt out west, um, we're run in public

1338
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: land and we're just kind of going and blind the

1339
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: first year and you've got to start somewhere, and a

1340
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: lot of the properties you might not do very well

1341
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: in the first year, but man, you found out that

1342
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: there's some good bucks in the area. So we try

1343
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: to start to put together and learn more and more

1344
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: um over the years and try kind of develop a

1345
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: plan to hunting specific area. And it helps if you're

1346
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: going back during the same time period every year, like

1347
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: when you hun out West. We usually go on that

1348
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: first part of September, so we're pretty familiar with what

1349
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: the deer are doing and in that particular time period,

1350
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: so we can kind of build on last year's intel

1351
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,479
Speaker 1: and what we saw and try to learn more about

1352
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: the property and hopefully we said stuss out there. UM.

1353
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: As far as traveling and getting properties ready, the farms

1354
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: that I leave in Ohio, um yeah, we do travel

1355
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: out there a good amount of this summer and UM

1356
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: run cameras, do some shed hunting and some scouting in

1357
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: the off season. And uh, actually the last couple of

1358
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: years have been putting in food pluts, so then working

1359
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: out for us pretty well. UM. So that that takes

1360
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: a big time to the mind though, And I'm driving

1361
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: actually twelve hours to get to Ohio every time and

1362
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: sometimes it's awful to do. But I'll leave a Friday

1363
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,839
Speaker 1: night after work, drive to the night, get to Ohio

1364
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: on at four o'clock on Saturday morning, and I'm go, go,

1365
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: go for twelve hours supposed to have white to get

1366
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 1: stuff done, and then wake up the next morning on

1367
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: Sunday get you know, put the finishes and finishing touches

1368
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: on what I started on Saturday, and then we're back

1369
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: in the truck for another twelve hours to get back

1370
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: to work on Monday. Um. So it's it's not always

1371
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: fun and it's not delayable, but um, you know, to me,

1372
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: it's worth it in the end when it all comes

1373
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: together and I'm able to high mature buck out there.

1374
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 1: So um, it's not for everybody, and it does take

1375
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: you know a little bit of a little budget to

1376
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: set aside specifically for that and gas money and for

1377
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: at least and all that stuff and um time away

1378
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: from family, But if you want to do it's possible.

1379
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,560
Speaker 1: So so that brings up another question then, which we

1380
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to towards the very beginning of a conversation,

1381
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: which is, you know, picking your times, you know, when

1382
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: do you really want when do you invest all that

1383
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: time to go down there and hunt. Um. You know,

1384
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: like we talked about at the beginning, both in my

1385
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: situation and yours, something happened, you know, fat weatherwise that

1386
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: triggered us to say, hey, we have to be down there,

1387
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,759
Speaker 1: we have to be there now. And you went barreling

1388
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: down there twelve hours and I went barreling down there

1389
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: five hours to make it happen. What are the factors

1390
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 1: or different conditions or whatever it might be, the helps

1391
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: you choose when to go and actually go on one

1392
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: of these hunts that are you know, a significant time

1393
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: and money and energy investment. Yeah, most of the time.

1394
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: And look just like you're there, are a lot of

1395
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: the guys and looking for a cold front or just

1396
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: a significant drop in temperature. Um, and that's really all

1397
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: I'm looking for early season. Ah, so you know any

1398
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: time we're for example that when we talked to it

1399
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: last year, I think the first Ohio I think opened

1400
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: on the twenty seven maybe last year if I remember correctly,

1401
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: And for that whole week we had attempts like near

1402
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: eight and one of my buddies actually went out and

1403
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 1: hunted opening weekend on the farm and he didn't see anything,

1404
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: and we had great trail camera and felt too that

1405
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 1: there was a lot of mature bucks on our farms

1406
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: and using our food plots. When he sat there for

1407
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: a couple of nights and he didn't see anything at all.

1408
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: It was just too hot and they were moving. But

1409
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: I watched the weather and I saw that we had

1410
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: like a fifteen I think it went down to like

1411
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: the low fifties or something like that for a high

1412
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: UM on that next weekend. And I looked at the

1413
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: trail camera information that he had got, and any time

1414
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: those beer or the temperature dropped or I think it

1415
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: was below like sixty degrees, they were on those food

1416
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: us um without fail. And so I knew that I

1417
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: had to be out there and with those hot, warm

1418
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: temperatures all week um in that cold front pushing, and

1419
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: I just we just figured for sure they'd be on

1420
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: their feet during daylight, and we were right. So I'm

1421
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: looking for a cold front during the rut. I obviously

1422
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: like the that's sometimes I'll leave for a week week

1423
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: and a half for two weeks, so that's a little

1424
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: bit tougher to play the front um. I might try

1425
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: to sneak out a little early UM from work a

1426
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: couple of days if I can. If I know it's

1427
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,879
Speaker 1: gonna be really good, like early early part of November,

1428
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: I see some cold weather moving in, but mostly I'm

1429
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: playing the dates and trying to hunt be in the stand.

1430
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: I usually like that. It's like the fourth through the

1431
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 1: eleventh or twelve. That's my favorite time period that I've

1432
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: had the most success UM, So I'll kind of we

1433
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,759
Speaker 1: try to get out during the during that time period.

1434
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: But man, if there's a crazy coal front coming in

1435
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: on Halloween, I might try to cut it early and

1436
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: and add more time to the front end of my

1437
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: vacation UM or the other way around. If it's really hot,

1438
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the forecast for November very fourth and fifth,

1439
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to be like seventy degrees. Well, i

1440
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: just might stay at work and try to get some

1441
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: more stuff downe on the house, then leave when when

1442
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: the temperature is going to change. But if everything is equal,

1443
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: as you know, seasonable temperatures and average highs and those,

1444
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: I'll probably more focused on the date than the weather.

1445
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: But I'd say definitely early season. UM is weather in

1446
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: late season as well, though I haven't had as much

1447
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: success UM late seasons, so that that all seems right

1448
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: in the line with some of the same things that

1449
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: I've seen on my own hunts. When I'm traveling on

1450
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: a state that, you know, early season sometime in October,

1451
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: it's really trying to keen in on that weather. And

1452
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: then once the rut hits, you know, as you mentioned,

1453
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: assuming all things are equal, just play the dates and

1454
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: those that time frame that you mentioned November four twelve.

1455
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: It's hard to beat that, that's for sure. Yeah, that's

1456
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: I think pretty much. If you bank on that, you're

1457
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: gonna have some pretty good success. And obviously you could

1458
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: the weather can change and you might take those dates

1459
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: off and it gets really hot and there's not much

1460
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: going on. That's just kind of out does. We don't

1461
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 1: always get it right every time. It would do the

1462
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: best that we can, that's the truth. So you mentioned

1463
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: that you're hunting Iowa this year during the rut. It

1464
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: sounds like, are you also going to be trying to

1465
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: hit Ohio? Are you doing both or are you just

1466
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: just go Yeah, my plan is too well, I don't

1467
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: know yet. I was hoping to get a buck down

1468
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,600
Speaker 1: a couple of weekends go from the weekend Ohio, so

1469
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry about Ohio. But that didn't happen. I

1470
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of messed up and kind of the wrong stand

1471
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 1: and did go with my gut. But yeah, I'm gonna

1472
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: try to if I don't have one down. I'm also

1473
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 1: considering I think a while this weekend as well. But um,

1474
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: let's say I don't kill a good buck. But before

1475
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: the route, I'm probably gonna swing True High on my

1476
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: way to Iowa. It's kind of on the way and

1477
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: I think I was like a twenty two hour drive,

1478
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: so we get to break it up a little bit. Um. Yeah,

1479
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: So if we got to break it up, I'm so

1480
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 1: I gonna swing in the farm and set the cameras

1481
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: and there's you know, what's going on, and talk to

1482
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Speaker 1: the guys I know in that area and see if

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01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: ruts pranking come my hut for a day or two

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01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: day or two if it's really going good, and I

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01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: think I have a pretty good chance of telling us,

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01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: I'll just keep on rolling through and head to Isola

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01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,759
Speaker 1: and maybe if I kill anisle or earlier, you know whatever,

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01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 1: it might have time on the way back to town, Ohio.

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01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the plain at least well, well, Dan,

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01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't think you can ever complain about happen to

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01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: drive an hour to hunt your Iowa property again after

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01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: hearing the Brett's driving twenty two? Not at all? Yeah

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01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:46,799
Speaker 1: at all. So, Hey, how many kids do you have? Ye? Zero?

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01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've probably figured that. Okay, okay, never mind.

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01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's gonna be a limiting factor. I am married,

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01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: and obviously that limits by time a little more than

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01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: um more so then it used to when I wasn't married.

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01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: And I'm sure kids will do that as well. But

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01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: for now I can, I can get away with it.

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01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna well, I still can. We'll see what happened.

1501
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: I'll play it by year when that chapter My Life

1502
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: comes in, I can't do it anymore. I can't do it.

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01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: You're gonna listen to what your wife tells you. Yeah,

1504
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: keep for having Yeah, these are these are lessons that

1505
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: people like you, me Brett, we need to learn from Dan.

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01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: He's he's been there seeing that and dealing with the consequences. Now,

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01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: I guess well, one of the biggest things though, it

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01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 1: kind of plays in your hand if you I always

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01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: tell my wife, like you know, if it's warm out,

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01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: I won't be in the woods. I'm not gonna be going.

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01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: I'll be home because I just don't hunt us the

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01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: conditions are ideal. So really a lot of times I'm

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01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: not hunting, so I try to spend as much time

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01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: at home, get taking care of things, or to work

1515
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: or whatever will I can. When it's the conditions are

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01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: less favorable, but I tell them if it's going to

1517
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,719
Speaker 1: be cold and I'm gonna head it out. So yeah,

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01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: it's all about that time. So, speaking of timing, we

1519
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 1: are coming up on time here with the show. Um,

1520
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: but before we wrap up, Dan, do you have a

1521
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 1: final question that's been bugging either you want to ask

1522
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: Brett or are we good? Oh? We're good? Good luck

1523
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 1: this uh this year Brett? And uh, I hope you

1524
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: lay down one in every state. Yeah, I hope so too.

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01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, doesn't doesn't it doesn't work. If I can

1526
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: get one done, I'll be happy. Good luck? Do you guys? Do?

1527
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: I know you guys have some pretty big plans and

1528
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: some pretty big deeta hunt So see how you do.

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01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: Thank you, Brett. We appreciate it. And uh when you

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01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: do tag your buck in Iowa or Ohio. Definitely let

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01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 1: us know. We'll we'll like to share the success that

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01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: you're having with the rest of our listeners too. Definitely. Alright, Brett,

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01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,839
Speaker 1: Well we'll talk to you later. Have a good one, Okay,

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01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: all right, thanks a lot. All right, Well, there you

1535
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: have it, another Wired Hunt podcast in the books. But

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01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: before we go, I do have a couple quick favors

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01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: to ask. As usual, if you have thirty seconds, please

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01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,400
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Speaker 1: Tail Q and A. It is a huge help that

1541
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: helps us keep the shell flow, so thank you in

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01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: advance for doing that. Secondly, we do want to thank

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast can stay on the air, so big thank

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Speaker 1: White Tail Institute of North America. And with that all said,

1548
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,799
Speaker 1: good luck on your up Cony hunts shoot straight. Until

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Speaker 1: next time, stay wired to Hunt.