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Speaker 1: I was somewhat grimly saying to a friend that next

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Speaker 2: I guess that's really why it's a one day story.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we're going to keep mentioning it on normally

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Speaker 1: Yes, the women's and men's hockey teams at the US

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Speaker 1: Can you just talk about how difficult this gold medal

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Speaker 3: This unbelievable game by Hellibuck, He was our best player

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Speaker 3: That's just a ballsy, gutsy win. That's American hockey right there.

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Speaker 2: Look at these guys.

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Speaker 3: We've been in there for two weeks.

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Speaker 1: We're such a team.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It's so beautiful. His brother, Quinn scored

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Speaker 2: More on Normally. We are back on Normally, where Gavin

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, let's actually roll that clip so people can

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not trying to impress you.

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Speaker 4: I'm like you. I'm no better than you. You know,

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Speaker 2: And the thing is that he also pretends to be

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Speaker 1: Here's that clip. You know, like the white.

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Speaker 2: That's a whole thing.

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Speaker 5: So just and and then you know, then this student

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Speaker 2: My dad's back up.

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Speaker 1: There, okay, and it's like, man, and.

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Speaker 5: Then he's bringing his friends and your captain of the team,

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Speaker 1: For contexts, can I just say his father's name is

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Speaker 2: This is from I have to I have to read this.

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Speaker 2: Those ties helped mister Newsom start a business that grew

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I do think he's quite slick. I think that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he really needs what is all democrats kryptonite? Which

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Speaker 2: asked a follow up question and it did not go

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Speaker 2: that great for him. So he was asked, why is

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Speaker 2: the US more successful? Why do we have more successful

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Speaker 2: businesses than Europe? And he is just incapable of providing

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Speaker 2: anything that looks like an answer. He goes back to

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Speaker 2: his stump speech and talks about how Europe has free

442
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Speaker 2: health care and college is inexpensive, never answers the question.

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Speaker 2: And I love this. There was Bernie sat down with

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Speaker 2: the New York Daily News, which is a New York

445
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Speaker 2: City paper that does lean left. He sat down with

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Speaker 2: their auditorial board in twenty sixteen, and they, ever so gently,

447
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Speaker 2: just skewered him because he was incapable of answering any

448
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Speaker 2: follow up questions at all. They were like, he wanted

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Speaker 2: to break up the big banks. They were like, how

450
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Speaker 2: he had never considered it, He had never even thought

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Speaker 2: to like step two, you know, break up the banks. How. No,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. And this is, you know, like we

453
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Speaker 2: always talk about democratic privilege. They don't have to know anything.

454
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Speaker 2: They don't have to have any actual policy ideas. They

455
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Speaker 2: just have to be in the group, in the club.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a fundamental problem with trying to redistribute

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Speaker 1: wealth when you don't know where wealth comes from. That

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Speaker 1: that is a problem for me. And there are way

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Speaker 1: too many people in this country. I joke on X

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Speaker 1: all the time. I have a picture of someone handing

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Speaker 1: another person a copy of Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell.

462
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Speaker 1: Like Bernie, here, here is a copy of a book

463
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Speaker 1: you should look into. You because the invisible hand of

464
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Speaker 1: the free market is so miraculous that in fact it

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Speaker 1: does feel like magic. And you don't know how you

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Speaker 1: get all the prosperity that you are offered every day,

467
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Speaker 1: literally on your doorstep in this country, and not knowing

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Speaker 1: that leads you to think that it does magically manifest

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Speaker 1: that you can cut off and take as much from

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Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos as you want with no downstream effects at all.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'll leave, He'll just stay there and let you

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Speaker 2: take it.

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Speaker 1: Well, and now their new thing is I think Bernie said, well,

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Speaker 1: what we need is just a national billionaires text so

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Speaker 1: they can't flee it and go anywhere. It's like, right, okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: eventually you just won't have those businesses. You won't have

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Speaker 1: people creating, because that isn't the same incentive to take

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Speaker 1: a bunch of risk to create. And you don't know

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Speaker 1: that because you've never taken one risk. You are Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders who has enriched yourself only in government positions for

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Speaker 1: the entirety of your life, harping on the rest of

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Speaker 1: the people who are doing that work, and that that

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Speaker 1: disconnect will sink sink a lot of prosperity in this country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they just he never is capable of thinking through

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Speaker 2: what where his proposals are going to go. It's just

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Speaker 2: going to magically be okay. And you know the line

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Speaker 2: actually was he said, you know, we need a national

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Speaker 2: wealth tax. Where are they going to go? Saudi Arabia? Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: other countries are going to say, hey, rich people, we

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Speaker 2: won't bother you here. It doesn't have to be Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 2: It could be lots of other places.

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Speaker 1: If the Chicago Bears could propose leaving Chicago, then American

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Speaker 1: billionaires can leave America. Like, you should not assume that

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Speaker 1: or their wealth just can't do. Not assume that they

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Speaker 1: will just sit here and do the things and take

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Speaker 1: what them doing, because you've imagined that they'll do that

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Speaker 1: for any price. They won't.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes, Yeah, democratic privileged man, I wish we had some

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: I know, it'd be nice, make the job easier, it

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Speaker 1: would be nice.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more on normally and the

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Speaker 2: debate over whether it's okay to urinate in the subway car.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll have to break that down and

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Speaker 2: find out. We are back on normally, where a debate

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Speaker 2: is raging over whether urinating in a subway car is

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Speaker 2: a big deal, And I do mean it's raging that

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Speaker 2: count Daniella underscore one two seven. She's a really wonderful person.

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Speaker 2: I've met her in real life. She tweeted, my husband

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Speaker 2: was on a crowded train yesterday when a homeless woman

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Speaker 2: got on, pulled down her pants, and peed all over

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Speaker 2: the train in front of it everyone. He hasn't stopped

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Speaker 2: talking about it for the past twenty four plus hours.

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Speaker 2: It is the single most traumatizing thing that happened to

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Speaker 2: him in New York City. Now, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: are like, that's pretty lucky.

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Speaker 1: Both of the that's also bad.

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Speaker 2: I get that because I've had men masturbate in front

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Speaker 2: of me on the New York City subway, so I

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Speaker 2: get that a woman peeing is less traumatizing than that.

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Speaker 2: But that's still pretty freaking traumatizing.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the viral response to this is I've been

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Speaker 1: on the subway with homeless people that Pede screamed all

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Speaker 1: sorts of stuff. It was mildly uncomfortable, but truly didn't

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Speaker 1: impact my day in any way. Maybe your husband needs

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Speaker 1: to toughen up and a lot. To be fair, a

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Speaker 1: lot of centrist Democrats types were pushing back on this, like,

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Speaker 1: we're done with this argument. Normal people will not listen

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Speaker 1: to this argument because the idea that you with your

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Speaker 1: family as a as a cost of writing the public

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Speaker 1: transportation you're already paying for via taxes and fairs, is

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Speaker 1: that you have to watch people have mental breakdowns and

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Speaker 1: maybe be violently accosted. Yeah, no, thanks, No if you

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Speaker 1: tell people, oh, you're just a wuss, if you don't

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Speaker 1: like that, that's not a winning message.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I've been saying this about New York for a

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Speaker 2: while in that I grew up in New York when

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Speaker 2: it was very dangerous in the eighties, and it was

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Speaker 2: extremely high crime and it was not a great place

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Speaker 2: to be. But what I think is different about this

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Speaker 2: current moment in New York is that nobody in the

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Speaker 2: eighties was like, crime is not that bad, And that

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Speaker 2: is what has concerned me about New York's trajectory over

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Speaker 2: the last few years. It isn't that things are getting

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Speaker 2: progressively worse there, which is bad in and of itself,

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Speaker 2: but it's this reaction of if you say anything about it,

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Speaker 2: you're the bad person. And we talked about this a

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Speaker 2: few weeks ago with the David Sadaris piece about getting

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Speaker 2: bit by a dog and how you know Jrump or no, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and how it read to people as pro Trump if

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Speaker 2: you complained about being bit by a homeless person's dog,

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Speaker 2: and his joke was like, the only way that he

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Speaker 2: can get sympathy is if he pretended the dog was

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Speaker 2: named Trumper. And you know, and this is crazy, It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: The noticing of crime is not the problem. The noticing

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Speaker 1: of social unrest is not the problem. The social unrest

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Speaker 1: in the crime are the problem. And over and over

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Speaker 1: and over again in governance, democrats put the needs and

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Speaker 1: the wants of those committing the social unrest and the

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Speaker 1: crime above those who are affected by the social unrest

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Speaker 1: in the crime. I've got a great example from this

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Speaker 1: week in northern Virginia, where our Soros fundid liberal prosecutor

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Speaker 1: Steve Descano took a bogus insanity plea from a murderer

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Speaker 1: a confessed murderer with a written plan entitled the Plan.

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Speaker 1: Oh you then took to a couple house, murdered the

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Speaker 1: husband while lying in his bed, shot him ten times

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Speaker 1: execution style with his children in the house. And because

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Speaker 1: our prosecutor's office really is out of practice for prosecuting,

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Speaker 1: they take far more insanity, please than the average prosecutor's office.

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Speaker 1: And even though this was a slam dunk case with

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Speaker 1: all sorts of admissions and forensics and everything, they go,

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Speaker 1: let's just send him to a mental health facility. We'll

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Speaker 1: deal with it later, yeah, And like he will be

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Speaker 1: up for release from a mental health facility frequently soon.

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Speaker 1: And this happens over and over and over again because

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Speaker 1: that guy is put above the victim's family period and

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Speaker 1: the rest of the people who will be threatened by him.

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Speaker 2: Right, And that's the thing. It's that the Democrats can't

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Speaker 2: get their leftist flank in line on stuff like this.

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Speaker 2: They did, You're right, there was a change. There was

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Speaker 2: definitely a shift in tone. If this had happened this

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Speaker 2: conversation in twenty twenty one, the Democrats would have largely

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Speaker 2: all raised their hands and been like peeing on the

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Speaker 2: subway is good actually, because they did stuff like that

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Speaker 2: depens you up the subway, yes right right, and you're

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Speaker 2: racist if you don't think so. So I'm glad there's

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Speaker 2: that shift, but they have to enforce that. What ends

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Speaker 2: up happening is that this compassion that they all want

589
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Speaker 2: to give these crazy people, it doesn't hurt. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: just hurt the regular people on the subway. It actually

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Speaker 2: hurts the mentally ill as well, as we pointed out

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Speaker 2: on this show. I think it was eighteen total people

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Speaker 2: died in the cold because maum Donnie may or Mumdannie

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Speaker 2: of New York City decided not to clear homeless encampments

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Speaker 2: because he was trying to be compassionate. How is it

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Speaker 2: compassionate to let people die in the freezing cold on

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Speaker 2: the street like it's not and they think they're the

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Speaker 2: good guys. So Democrats need to figure out a way

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Speaker 2: to really get the leftists on board with some kinds

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Speaker 2: of positions of sanity. Otherwise, like it just it's going

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Speaker 2: to continue to head in this direction, because it was

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Speaker 2: heading in this direction until the American people woke up.

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Speaker 1: Well, And this is why to this day I saw

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Speaker 1: some pulling from just this weekend where on major issues

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Speaker 1: like crime, immigration, still, and the direction of the country,

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Speaker 1: Republicans lead Democrats by one or two points. Now, that

607
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that's going to save them from the midterms.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it will. But the fact that Democrats

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Speaker 1: lost that much ground, and even at this point in

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Speaker 1: Trump's administration, with the media completely lined up against less it, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they still can't get over those numbers, I think is

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Speaker 1: indicative of how far gone they are. And a couple

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Speaker 1: of people tweeting, sensibly from the left on X is

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Speaker 1: not going to be enough to put them back in

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Speaker 1: a normal place.

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Speaker 2: Right, You're going to have to just stay out loud.

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Speaker 2: Letting homeless people freeze to death is not good policy.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've got a blizzard coming up in New York,

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Speaker 1: so well, I guess we'll test that notion and we'll

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Speaker 1: see if he'll be clearing them.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I do think somewhere in the middle there they were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: maybe fewer deaths is what we should be doing.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Actually a funny not funny, I shouldn't say it's funny,

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Speaker 2: But a point that I haven't seen anybody make about

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Speaker 2: the eighteen homeless deaths is that a lot of those

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Speaker 2: people had homes and they were, you know, people with

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Speaker 2: drug or alcohol problems who you know, it's what we

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Speaker 2: used to have the drunk tank for. And because that's

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Speaker 2: no longer compassionate, it's no longer compassionate to take somebody

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Speaker 2: who's inebriated off the streets. These people who actually had

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Speaker 2: homes died on the streets of New York City. That

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Speaker 2: in that cold, it's awful.

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Speaker 1: Methinks that if there were a Republican mayor who had

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Speaker 1: made that decision, we hear more about that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, absolutely, you know, I don't want to end

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Speaker 2: us on a bummer, so I'm going to take us

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Speaker 2: back to the first segment. We forgot to mention that

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Speaker 2: Jack Hughes. First of all, he's a big reader. He'd

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Speaker 2: brought The Odyssey to read at the Olympics. But he

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Speaker 2: is also starting the launch of Hughes Brothers, Pucks and

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Speaker 2: Pages with his brother Luke. It's a program designed to

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Speaker 2: promote literacy among New Jersey's You I mean, could this

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Speaker 2: guy be more designed in a lab for the Normally podcast?

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Speaker 1: It's true, he's the best. We love it so much,

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Speaker 1: and those guys, this is a great story for you, Carol.

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Speaker 1: They were supposed to fly back to New York, but

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Speaker 1: because of the blizzard, they won't be partying in New York.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: No, They're going from Milan to Miami. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Everyone eventually ends up in Florida. They're gonna have a

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