WEBVTT - The Voice of Steve Loter 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.960 Hey Christie, Hey will I don't often tell people this, 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:05.840 but I'm gonna say it to you. You're a vision 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:08.119 in pink. I don't know what else to tell you. 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.440 Oh my gosh, you're a vision in pink. Some people 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.560 can't pull off pink and think, well, black works for everybody. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.760 Pink doesn't work for everybody, but black works for you. Well, 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.239 because you're Batman. So oh, I thought you're going to say, 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.079 because you're fat, and we want to make sure that 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:24.119 you don't look too big, so we we cover you 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.280 in black. You are not. It's very sweet though for 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:29.319 you to not think that. But you are your vision 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.840 in pink. That's all I have to say. That's hashtag. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.519 You know you pop? You pop, Christie. That's what it is. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:41.400 One needs to pop. I'm very excited for today's guests 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.520 because we have a serious history with today's guests, don't we. Yeah. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.760 Steve Loader, he is a huge animation director. In his 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:53.199 titles include Kim Possible. As of season two, he really 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.639 saw so much of Kim Possible, like growth that we're 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.320 going to chat with him all about just It's a 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.400 reunion of sorts, isn't it? Yeah? It is? And the 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.399 thing that's cool is and you really brought this up. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.160 I'm so glad you did. During the interview about everyone's 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:08.720 gonna be like but we had the director, you know, 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:10.560 Lisa Shaeffer came on. It's like, no, no, no no, there's 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.600 multiple directors that are involved in an animation project, and 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.040 so I was really glad that you you brought that 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.000 up because there's a big difference we did. Steve was 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.919 a director and Lisa was a director. Two completely different 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:25.679 jobs but really interesting in both amazingly necessary. So I 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.560 was very excited to talk to Steve. It's a cool episode, 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:36.160 it really is. So everybody, Steve Loder, stay, how are 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.520 you well? How are you guys doing? I was fine 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:43.839 until my computer decided to not be good anymore. Um Man, 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.400 computers are the worst. Terminator is a thing that could happen. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.000 I don't like any of it. You don't trust it. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.360 He doesn't trust that. I don't. I don't. I've been 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.520 watching alone, and I think that's the way to go. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.840 The more I'm thinking about it, Loan, is that is 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.120 that is that contest where you go out in the 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.400 middle of the woods and try to live right? Yeah, 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:08.280 watched that. We watched that. Yeah, my my my wife. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.440 My wife jokes that I would tap out on the 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:16.880 boat ride there one thousand percent thousand. I think that 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:18.680 if you haven't seen it, Steve, it is a really 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.560 great show. But it's also you get to root for 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.720 people to like, Who's who are you rooting for? On alone? 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.520 I'm rooting for the mostly for the animals, but that's 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:34.120 just me. How are you, Steve? Thank you, Welcome to 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.400 the show. This is awesome. Yeah, I'm honored to be 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.040 his is incredible. We're so excited to have you here 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.080 because we have quite a hist Can you remember the 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:48.120 first time that we all work together? Was it two 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:54.320 thousand two? Yeah, somewhere in that zone. Yeah, so twenty 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:58.040 so we're twenty years Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah. We should 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.160 probably introduce Steve, shouldn't we? I'm sorry, should be and Steve. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.600 We are so happy to have Steve Loder here with us, 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.160 who's a director and a producer of animation, of all 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:13.720 types of animation. But really it should be most known 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.200 for Kim Possible, because that's where we know him from. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.840 So that's really the only world we need to talk about. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.239 But that's actually not true because we're talking American Dragging, 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.480 Jake Long, Brandy and Mr Whiskers, the Tinkerbell film series, 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.080 The Ghost and Molly McGee Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.440 which is both upcoming that's February three. We'll get into 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.920 all of that kind of stuff. But let's be honest, Steve. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.800 It's Kim Possible, That's what we're talking about. Kim Possible 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.400 has been in my life, not only during production but 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.840 even past it. Um, because I'm I'm a comic book geek, 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.279 I'm a film nerd, so I go to the conventions 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:53.080 a lot. There's always a Kim cost player, always, always right, 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.840 always yeah. And it's amazing because yeah, it's it's the 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:01.000 legacy just continues. I mean it really people really love 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.320 the show and it's just really wonderful feeling. How did 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.400 you get involved with it? Yeah? You know. The funny 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:11.040 thing is I joined second season, um, and since then, 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:15.520 I've I've done fifty plus episodes of Kim I think 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.400 I've expised Mark and Bob. I think I've probably been 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.719 on at the longest and you guys, so yeah, it's 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.799 it's it's been an amazing ride. But yeah, it was 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.920 slightly intimidating kind of coming on board because the reputation 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.000 was already there, the fandom was already starting to build. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.120 So it was a little intimidating, but it was what 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.919 a what a marvelous feeling to, you know, to to 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.039 work on this amazing show. Well, now see, but let's 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.240 talk about like your exact job too, because we had 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.880 Lisa Shaper talk to us a lot in studio and 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.840 then what exactly is it that you then did for 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:53.719 people to understand how you direct an animated show? Yeah, so, 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.480 so pretty much director of animated show is it's kind 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.680 of involved in the beginning. So we, uh, we look 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.640 at this scripts. You read the scripts that that Mark 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.680 and Bob and his writing team we're putting out Mark 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.880 McCorkle and Bob school E, the creators of the show, 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.640 and um, we get an early idea of kind of 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.240 the visuals and the timing and the pace and some 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.279 of the designs and some of the backgrounds. We start 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.400 to figure out the visuals of it. Um. And then 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.040 as we're starting to figure that out, we usually attend 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.159 the records that leads a Shafer is directing, which is 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.080 where you guys are doing an amazing job and the 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.800 thing that's that's great about going to the records is 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:33.920 we're listening for um peaks and values, because when you 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.560 animate a character, you really want to have a character 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:40.200 that has these kind of like just kind of peaks 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.640 in their voice and then it drops down. And because 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.000 that's really kind of where we anchor our drawings too, 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.839 that's where the expressions change or they the head gets bigger, 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.920 the body arcs back, or the body reduces down. So 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.599 we really look for kind of those highs and lows 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.680 in the voice because we really like latch onto them. Okay, 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.800 And so peaks and valleys. Will has talked about the 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:07.440 fact that by season four, I guess um Ron was 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:14.080 so peaky. Did that change not a lot of valleys. 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:18.240 It's honestly, it was great because when you have when 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.760 you have a voice that's kind of that that peaked 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.520 or that that kinectic um, you animate to that. And 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.240 Ron kind of got if you look at the scenes 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.120 went on, he got a little more animated physical, which 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.120 was great because it provided great contrast for Kim, who 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.440 was very collected and calm. So it just it was 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.560 a really great visual you know, to to animate to. Actually, yeah, 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:45.000 I think that Ron did get more and more like 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.520 a storylines as we as we progress, and he became 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:54.280 much more active during missions. Do you remember that? Oh yeah, definitely, Yeah, certainly. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.039 I mean in season three, I think it's really where 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.719 it started to kind of pop, because, yeah, in season 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.120 two there was a couple of moments where trying to 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.280 bring him into the missions, but it was always a failure. 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.520 But it felt like in season three with Exchange and 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:12.480 the monkey Fist powers and it really started. And also 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.960 by the end of season three, we did so the drama, 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.520 so we had to be rawn leveled up to a 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.880 place that it really felt like, Okay, he could kind 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.559 of hold his own in a situation. Well, your first 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.480 episode ever was a run episode. The first episode you 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.240 did was the Wrong Factor, Right, Wrong Factor? That's right? Yeah, 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.400 and that was that was that was an interesting episode 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.400 because that was that was them trying to find a 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.800 new purpose for Ron. Uh So, which episode was? What? 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.400 What was the log line on this one? Ron Stop? 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.440 It was awesome film at eleven that yeah, And and 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:48.520 that was the the Agents of Shield group from Impossible 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.760 his name I cannot remember. At this particular moment, they 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.360 had they had interest in Ron and so they were 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.120 going to kind of enlist him for that. And you 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.480 know what's what's what makes the Ron factor so special? 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.840 So that was yeah, kind of what the episode was about. 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:07.120 The one makes special is this partnership with Kim. Honestly. So, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.240 so wait, let me ask this because we always, Christie, 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.360 we always do this. We always jump in the middle 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.120 and then we jumped to the end and then we jump. 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.440 How when's the first time you remember hearing the words 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:21.000 Kim Possible? Um? Okay, this is an interesting story. Um. So, 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.280 most the genesis of Kim Possible actually started on an 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:29.280 animating series called Clerks, the animated series Kevin Smith's series. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:34.000 Here's here's why. It had the entire team on that 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:38.000 show except for Mark and Bob. So pretty much every 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.240 single person that worked on Kim Possible worked on that 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.360 show in Steve Silver, Chris Bailey, myself, Nick Philippi, and 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.520 the Ice everybody, and so we kind of formed the 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.520 look of Kim at least partially on that show. So 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.280 that when Kim Possible kind of was starting to kind 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.120 of bubble to the surface and we kind of started 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.680 to hear about it, it was kind of like almost 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:03.679 trans finding that entire team onto Kim. So it was 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.720 it was an unusual experience because it was it was 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.240 a type of thing where at that time at t 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.040 v A, there was a lot of kind of um 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.760 kids in school kind of shows going on, and this 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.800 one was kind of a spin on that. And also, 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.800 um what was great about hearing about this initially is 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:26.280 it was a female empowerment story, which is usual because 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.760 at that time I think you had Buffy the Vampire 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.920 Slayer and maybe Xena, but there wasn't a lot of 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:37.120 strong female protagonists. Ye power Puff Girls Puff animated, right, Yeah, 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.960 so it was an exciting project to even hear about 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:41.520 to say, oh, this is really going to kind of 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.080 move the needle. So you're essentially saying that Kim and 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:51.760 Ron were originally Jay and Silent Bomb. Yeah, was transition 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:56.480 in a way. You're definitely J then in that relationship. 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.360 I would imagine that would be that was probably accurate. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.400 Oh that's so funny. That is so funny. When did 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.160 Bob and Mark come in there? Yeah? When did When 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.640 did so? When did they kind of the whole team 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.320 get put together for the first time? Because they pitched it. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.400 I remember they said they pitched it in in in 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.800 the in the elevator going up to Gary Marsha's office, 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.240 they were like, they came up with it, and yeah, 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.440 she can do anything. He's run stoppable, he can't. Yeah, 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.920 like a lightning. I mean that that's what. What a moment, 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.480 just a creative moment to just get that level of inspiration. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.040 it was. It's it kind of I think, you know, 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.880 as as animation um goes through development process, it usually 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.600 kind of sticks with the show creators and the writers 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.800 just for a little bit of time, so as they 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.040 start to write out kind of longer log lines of 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.520 the characters and who the characters are and things like that. 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.680 So there was probably a period of time spent of 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.080 Mark and Bob just kind of isolated working on that. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.199 But then probably right as Clerks was ending and there 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.760 was an opportunity to start to go into another production, 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.640 it just looked like, well, here's a seasoned crew that's 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.360 ready to just kind of jump into a show. And 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.120 and and also it was great because a lot of 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.560 the people had um experience on different types of show 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.199 other than Clark's. We had, you know, the kids stuff 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.040 we were doing for Disney, but a lot of them 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.080 had adult animated experience here and there said it really 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.400 just kind of made it made Kimpossibles kind of elevated 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.800 the quality of show. Oh my gosh, I mean, it's 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.800 so interesting to me in retrospect how many other shows 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:26.280 almost pirated the look of that animation. So like after 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.960 Kim Possible came out, there was these commercials for Assurance 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.920 and oh yeah, I was like, you've got to be 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:38.640 kidding me. Pink hair, she's got a communicator, Like she's 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.439 still flipping in, like flipping in and out. The direction 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.800 of it was very clearly ripping off of Steve and 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:50.120 Well it involved they even those commercials even involved because 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.600 we we kind of for a moment in season three, 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:57.440 we gave Kim the super suit that right with the glow. Yeah, 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.520 and then they I think they did that in the 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:04.200 commercial too. She did have a suit. I know, I 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.679 was watching it fuming, and I was like, nowadays, I 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:08.959 think Disney would probably actually go after something like that 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.680 for for new But I will say, I will say, 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.280 what was it like using new technology directing with this 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:20.040 with the robots that we had in the movie? Um, 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:24.559 which movie was that that we had the robots? Yeah, 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.160 that was that was the It was the first time 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.599 the studio had been introduced to CG and it was 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.520 kind of done out of necessity because we knew that 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.040 there was going to be armies of these characters and 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.000 it's really just at that certainly at that time it 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.320 was really hard to draw just the pencil mileage alone. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:42.920 So we came up with the system of Okay, how 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:44.120 are we are we going to do this? And it 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.280 was it was a learning curve. Nowadays CG super easy 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.920 could do it at home, but then it was it 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.559 was pretty tough. Wow. Interesting you you laid the two 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.280 D animation that you guys were doing, and then you 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.640 did it almost like there was a temp non existent background, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.920 so that inlaid the CG robots and at the time 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:05.920 of doing that, it was very I mean because we're 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:13.680 talking to Ago total and then right and then we 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.880 had to um, we were called rotoscope. We had to 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:18.760 kind of take the CG model because we had to 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.360 put it then in our lines, so it had to 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.160 look like it was drawn so that it mixed with 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.200 the characters. And I remember the crazy thing about that 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.400 was you had the giant robots and that's okay because 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.160 they're big, and they take up a lot of space 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.439 on a frame. But there was moments where it was 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.920 the tiny robot and Ron was holding the time like 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.640 interaction of that you know scope. So that was Yeah, 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.319 that was tricky, but it's a lot of fun. I 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.840 mean it was. It really felt like we were leveling 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.360 up the show. I mean, so the drama is easily 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:53.079 my favorite. Kimpossible uh project. It was great. It was 0:13:53.200 --> 0:14:06.280 really good. Yeah, Steve, As much as we go down 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.360 memory lane, we also like to talk about just how 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.880 talented you are and that you you've continued to work 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.760 with you know, with Disney and well, wait before we 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:15.679 go forward, I want to go back. I want to 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:21.480 go back here. Yeah, exactly, you said. You you know, 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.960 you're a comic book nerd and everything, A big nerd myself. 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.080 So it is animation something you always wanted to do? 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.160 Or did you? Or you did you originally want to 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.200 be a filmmaker? What like, what were your plans when 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.720 you got into this industry? It was definitely cartooning? Um, 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.200 I mean, because the thing is, I how I got 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.960 into the business is, um, there was a Disney artist 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.760 drawing for kids at a shopping mall, like in New 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:49.160 Jersey and so me and my brother, who's also an artist, 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.480 we went out, you know, to see this guy and 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.720 we showed him our drawings and he's like, yeah, these 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.920 are great, why don't you work for us? And it 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.800 was so straight up. So I worked for Disney straight 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.200 out high school. It was for consumer products, was doing 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.360 drawings for You were found at a mall. You were 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.000 found at a mall by somebody who works for Disney, 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.360 and you started working right out of high school for Disney. Kidding, yeah, 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.360 day after high school. So they after graduated, boom right 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:19.520 right right into the Disney UM and go back east 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.560 or did you move out here? It was back east 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.320 at that time. Yeah, so I was doing that UM 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.600 and then being back east, I had the opportunity I 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.920 did some work for Jim Henson, which was a lot 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:34.880 of fun, non Disney, non Disney Jim now Disneys and 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.720 everything Disney. UM. But yeah, we did some work for 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.960 Jim Henson at the time. But the thing that kind 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.600 of pulled me into animation is I saw the pilot 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:49.840 for a show called Renn and Stimpy. Yeah, yeah, the 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.880 Lightning Bolt, and yeah I had to work on that, 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.080 and so yeah, I moved out to l A. I 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.400 didn't know anybody out here. Uh, found the studio, found 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.800 a department close by, and and got the gig. And 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.320 not with your brother. You and your brother kind of split. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.760 He came. He came later. He's he actually does um 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:12.680 book illustrations for Disney, so illustrated animator guy. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.080 that's so. Was it was this Nickelodeon was in Burbank 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:17.560 at the time. Did you move to Burbank? Is that 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.840 what you just did? Yeah? Yeah. Actually it's funny because 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.760 they put Renist to be in a separate building, so Nickelodeon. 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:25.920 You had all the fun stuff going on Nickelodeon, and 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:27.760 I guess they kind of knew and they said, we're 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.720 gonna put Rendist to be in a different building five 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.880 miles away, which won't be fun at all. You're in 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.720 the warehouse. Yeah, basically, but you know what it was. 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.880 It was kind of good because it was a pretty 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:43.160 rebellious crew. It was a pretty eccentric crew, So that 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.600 was it was a fun experience. It was a challenging experience. Um, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.720 my first gig, and it was a challenging show. Um, 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.120 but you know, since then, my my resume is all 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.120 over the map. I've done some more adult stuff. I 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.920 did a show called Duckman, I did preschool stuff. Thinking 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.760 Clubhouse a little bit um, yes, but but honestly, it's 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.480 impossible that it is always the one that people want 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.920 to reminiscent talk about, which I'm more than happy to 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:10.720 talk about. It's such an important part of my life. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.000 I'm looking at a picture of all of us right now. 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.439 We all look so young. We're posting that on our 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:20.160 on our Instagram. I have a shirt that's literally still 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.680 out of print. He says. Everyone loves an Italian girl. 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:33.520 You look like you just went to a Rusted Root concert. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.879 I remember that picture. I remember that picture. That was 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.080 last record, I think, and it was like we never 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.639 got to really see each other in person, So I 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.840 do think if it was our last record, I think 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.080 I remember being like, this is sad that this is 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.520 our last recording, and that this is the only time 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.560 I got to hang with Will. Yeah, we didn't see 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.280 We didn't get to really hang out much. No. No, 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.600 I was in New York. You were learning, you were 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.639 at college learning. Yes, yeah, it should be twelve years 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.480 of finished. I should have just deleted. I guess see 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.119 Steve and I are both smart. We went right from 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.320 high school to work. We decided to go to school 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:12.520 bills exactly. So Steve, if Kim comes ever comes back, 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.040 like if we were ever, if that ever happened, what 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.480 would you want for Kim? Like, who do you get Kim? 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:19.800 Does Kim need to grow? Does she need to like 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.520 be a different person, and does she need to be 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.440 more modern an adult? Is she a kid? Like? That's 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.200 what I would if if like, if we're going to 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.040 bring her back, would you pick would you bring her 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.760 back right where we started, where they're in high school still, 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.040 would they be in college? Would they be adults now? Like? 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.920 What would I'm curious where you'd go with it? Well, 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:39.160 it always when we finished Kim in season four, Um, 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.160 I think we're all a little burnt out at that time. 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:43.959 And we've worked on the show for it for a 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.240 long long time, but we always felt that there was 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.400 more stories to tell than we always kind of hoped 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.320 that we were going to pick it up after a 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.840 short break or a short vacation, So it was always 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.600 in the back of our minds. And I remember, you know, 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.840 over years, you know, I'd run into Mark and Bob 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.720 and we just kind of joke about, oh, maybe it 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.040 would be this, or maybe it would be this, and 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.480 it just depended on the on the particular moment of 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.720 this is this is the future for for Kim and Ron. 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.919 There was one thing that was interesting on was it 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.440 the sitch in time or maybe the sort the drama 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.680 DVD release. I had to do some art where it 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.040 was like you show Kim and Ron as they get 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.600 older and younger and that kind of thing, and I 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.760 did drawings for that, and the drawings that I did 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.640 for adults Kim and Ron I thought were the best drawings, 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.720 and they decided not to use them, but they decided 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.399 to use the old versions of Kim and Ron. And 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.240 what was kind of sad about that is it was 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.520 kind of a joke because we made Kim and she 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.239 was like an agent of of Shield or whatever that 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:49.600 you and but but here's the thing, we we we 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:51.960 we we did it so that again this was a joke. 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.439 We did it so that she looked like doctor Director, 0:19:54.520 --> 0:20:00.720 so she had the I patching and kind of overweight 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.440 and stuff like that. And what was what was terrible 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.879 about it was it only worked and you saw the 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:12.240 adult versions of them, which were sleek and they were fit, 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.560 and they were fighters and and so the audience missed 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:19.360 the good middle part and that and man, they did 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.520 not like it. Wow, jumped right to it. Yeah, this 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.480 is well. I mean this is also at the time 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:26.800 what the the Internet was kind of in its infancy 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.520 at the time, so we were learning was not really 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:33.879 but starting to get you know, feedback and stuff like 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:38.679 that that was instantaneous. Was it was an entirely new thing. Um. Okay, 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.000 so now we're now we can jump ahead to what 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:42.640 you're working on now because you're working on a bunch 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.960 of different stuff, right, yeah, yeah, the So yeah, so 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.080 we have The Ghost and Molly McGhee, which is a 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.760 really great show. Um, it's currently on air. I got 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:53.359 Ashley Birch and Dana Snyder are doing the voices on that. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:58.639 They're incredible. Their chemistry is incredible. Um. And then coming 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:03.600 soon coming on February ten on the Channel and coming 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:08.520 up thereafter is Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur. Um. 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.439 And this is this is an interesting project. This is 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:17.080 the first collaboration between Marvel and Disney TV Animation. That's awesome. 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.880 That's kind of like what KP KP was the first 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:24.480