1 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the trades are coming fast and furious. Now as 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: we tick tick tick to the three pm Eastern NBA 3 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: trade deadline buzzer, We're still here in the Classic Factory, 4 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: the No Dunk's crew. I'm Skeets. We got tasks, we 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: got TK Trade Kirby, we got the International Man of 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: Mystery taken to the Maxley Ellison. Of course, super producer 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: JD Pushing the Buttons our fourth podcast of the day. 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: But things are like just sort of progressing perfectly here 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: for us, I would say, in the Classic Factory. 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But yeah, we got a lot more deals 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: here to tackle and grade and we'll start with the 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: Mavericks trading Kristaps Porzingis can you believe it? And a 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: second round pick to the Washington Wizards for Spencer Dinwitty 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: and Davis Berton. Some saying the biggest trade in Latvian history. 25 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: So to us, let's start with you Poorzingis going to 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: the Wizards. And they made other moves here and we'll 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: get to Montres Harrold going to the Hornets. So they 28 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: were down to center. But kp to Washington, Dinwitty to Dallas. 29 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, the Mavericks are better because 30 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: christophs Porzingis just didn't play all the time, They frankly 31 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: are Now it's a bit of a our problem for 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: your problem scenario because the MAVs deal christophs Porzingis and 33 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: they get Dallas Burton's back, who's got three years left 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: on his deal that hasn't worked out for the Wizards. 35 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: But the only guy who's actually going to play and 36 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: contribute most definitely in this deal is Spencer did we 37 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: going to the Dallas Mavericks. He's gonna contribute and he's 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: a bit of insurance this offseason if Jalen Brunson isn't 39 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: signed by the MAVs, so he's gonna play alongside Luka Doncic. 40 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: He could come off the bench, but now their rotation 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: is Brunson Luca. Let's say Dinwoody starts, Finny Smith and 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: Kleeba along with Berton's Bullock and Powell off the bench. 43 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: I think that's Luca's best team going into the playoffs 44 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: that he's ever had. I didn't even say to Tim Hardaway, 45 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: excuse me, who's out? Yeah, So that's that's who you got, 46 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: and that's I think you know who you're going into 47 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: battle with. As opposed to the christophs Porzingis scenario, it's smaller, 48 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: but I think they are better today than they were 49 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: with Christops Porzingis in and out of the lineup. That's 50 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: it's a problem for problem trade. But Spencer's gonna play 51 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: at least. 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: What was your immediate reaction to this one? We didn't 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: see this one coming, not porzing We didn't. 54 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 3: See this one coming. And I don't know. 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 4: Maybe it's just because I'm a Latvian lover and I'm 56 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: still like, I'm still bullish on Porzingis. I still think 57 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 4: he can be quality player in the league. Maybe I'm just. 58 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: Hey, he was an All Star when he was in 59 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: the Eastern. 60 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: Conference, exactly right, exactly right, And. 61 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 4: He was also on the All Bubble team in those 62 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 4: eight pre Bubble games. 63 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: So the talent is still. 64 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: He's good when he plays, but you need to play 65 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: exactly right. 66 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 4: But I mean, honestly, Dinwitty has had his injury problems 67 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 4: as well Burton's. 68 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: Maybe this is just my lapping loverness speaking here. 69 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 4: You know, I think he's gonna have a bounce back season, 70 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 4: bounce back for Burton's getting set up by Luka Doncic, 71 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 4: somebody who actually wants to pass the ball, and like 72 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 4: what the Wizards have had. I think it's going to 73 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 4: be good for him. But the Mavericks were kind of 74 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 4: in a tough spot where it's like the players that 75 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 4: they need to trade for are similar to the players 76 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 4: they have, So it's like, are they are they gonna 77 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 4: move Tim Hardaway Junior. I know that they're trying to, 78 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 4: and they would like to get off his contract, but 79 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 4: they would want to bring back kind of like a 80 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 4: Tim Hardaway Junior. So I don't know, maybe you're splitting 81 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: the difference here. Christaps porzingis a little Burton's a little dinwitty, 82 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 4: you know, sometimes they're banged up, sometimes they hit threes. 83 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 4: Sometimes they have good games, sometimes they don't. I think 84 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 4: they're all kind of similar players. And I think that 85 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 4: this doesn't take the Mavericks out of re sigling re 86 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 4: signing Jalen Brunson for next year. So I think that's 87 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: good too. And yeah, I guess the Mavericks. The Mavericks 88 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 4: got a little bit better. 89 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: I think they just. 90 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 4: Needed more playmaking and I think that they'll be able 91 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 4: to roll with Dwight Powell and Cleveo as they're bigs. 92 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: Who's the winner of this Mavericks Wizards deal. 93 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 5: In Lelis's mind, Well, to me, the Mavericks just wanted 94 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 5: to get off Porzingis's contract because you're getting guy like 95 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 5: Davis Bertans, who's supposed to be a shootout. Well, he's 96 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,119 Speaker 5: giving you less than six points a game on thirty 97 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 5: two percent from three this season. He just chucks it 98 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 5: and sometimes he'll get hot, he'll hit six or seven 99 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 5: or eight. He doesn't play defense, he doesn't do anything else, 100 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 5: and he's got two guaranteed years on his contract, less 101 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 5: than Pausingis. But then you get Spencer Didntwoodie, who's had 102 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 5: his good moments. No question, when he was there in Brooklyn, 103 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 5: he was a decent player. He can score, he can 104 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 5: set things up, so he takes a little bit of 105 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 5: the load off Luca there, But it doesn't really move 106 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 5: the needle all that much for me, because again, Burton's 107 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 5: has barely played this season, only thirty four games, and 108 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 5: Spencer Dimwood He's had his injury issues. But that's the 109 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 5: whole problem with Porzingis. He's missed twenty one games this 110 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 5: season because of injuries. Last season when he did play 111 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 5: in the playoffs, he wasn't very good the season before 112 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 5: in the Bubble, he didn't finish that playoff series because 113 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 5: he was injured. So he is still the best player 114 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 5: in this but what good is it for a guy 115 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 5: who just doesn't play and then when you need him 116 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 5: to step up, he's unable to. And the Mavericks still 117 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 5: oh the Knicks a first round pick from that draft, 118 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 5: which is for next season, so they're still paying off 119 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 5: the Porzingis deal. At the time, it was the right move, 120 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 5: no doubt about it, but Porzingis's injuries have just really 121 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 5: held him back. 122 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: I wonder if this is a start of a teardown 123 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: for the Washington Wizards. 124 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I was really confused, 125 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: and we'll get to the montros heral where they traded 126 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: him for nothing to the Hornets. It felt lake But 127 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: then okay, and then you get Porzingis You're like, oh, yeah, 128 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: it takes a little more sense. But yeah, I think 129 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: it's a possibility. You obviously mean bill included. 130 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the contracts are shorter now because DAAs Berton's 131 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: was another two plus a player option, so three full years. 132 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: And it seems like Kristaps Perzings is signed forever because 133 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: it always seems like you talk about Chris starps Perzing 134 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: it's like, who's gonna take on that contract? Well, it's 135 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: only one more guaranteed year plus a player option, so 136 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: two more years. So things are getting shorter in the 137 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: contract world on the sheets of the Washington Wizard. So yeah, 138 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: it feels like a tear down is happening, that it's 139 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: finally time. Yes, and it feels like Bradley Beal will 140 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: be part of that. Maybe they are. They are gonna 141 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: do the rare thing and not sign Beal to a 142 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: max deal, like every superstar comes to the to the 143 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: point where they can sign a max deal. But sure 144 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: feels like this maybe them going in another direction. 145 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: Do you think like this moves the Mavericks in the 146 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: Western Conference standings at all? Throwing Dinwiddie in here, or 147 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: are they gonna be in that fifth, sixth maybe even 148 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: a little bit lower sort of range, or does this 149 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: take them to another level? Test is a little higher 150 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: on it. All. 151 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 4: Right, So there are two games Dallas is right now, 152 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 4: they're two games behind the Jazz for the fourth seed, 153 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 4: and they are math one and a half games ahead 154 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 4: of Denver. So to me, I'm with Lee. I don't 155 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 4: really think this moves the needle a whole bunch. I 156 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 4: think that the Mavericks will probably stick in the four 157 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 4: or five six range. Though maybe they're just gonna be 158 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 4: bombs away and that's kind of like the best The 159 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 4: best form of the MAVs is when they're actually hitting 160 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 4: three pointers. So I guess to me, it's just a 161 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 4: little bit of salary CapMan machinations, if you will. Getting 162 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 4: off the Porzingis deal is big time, I think, But 163 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 4: team wise, I don't think they're that much better. I 164 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: think maybe it'll be nice for Luca and I have 165 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 4: to completely carry the load once it comes to creation 166 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 4: come playoff time, and it seems like he's got to 167 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 4: do everything for forty eight minutes. At least you can 168 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 4: offload some things to Jalen Brunson and Spencer Dinwidy for 169 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 4: a few moments there. Maybe that helps, But I think 170 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 4: they're basically the same talent level. 171 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: Yeah they were, and it just feels like the Mavericks 172 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: because of kp being in and out of the lineup, 173 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: Like you know, stats wise, he's like a twenty point 174 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: per game score when he's played this year. But they're 175 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: like happy with Mexic Kliba, Dwight Powell like that as 176 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: their center rotation, and they're like, Okay, well let's get 177 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: some more help here around Luca, especially with the unknown 178 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: of Geleen Brunson. We'll see if they keep him and 179 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: retaine him. So that's probably the thinking here. Also people 180 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: pointing out Mark Cuban just wants to be able to 181 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: play a pay pay a player. I should say in cryptos, 182 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: now do that with Spencer did on that. 183 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's Spencer's thing. I guess the Sacramento Kings 184 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 5: Vivek wants to he said he can their players can 185 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 5: accept their payment in crypto as well, So it's taking 186 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 5: over the league here. But yeah, I mean the thing 187 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 5: is with you know, with Porzingis is just like at 188 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 5: this point of his career, relying on him to stay 189 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 5: healthy for long stretchers just can't be done. He was 190 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 5: playing some of the best basketball of his career this 191 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 5: season when he was playing. But it's kind of like 192 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 5: he's either out for you know, a strain or an 193 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 5: injury or something like that that just keeps him knocked 194 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 5: him out. He's not playing. You know, he wasn't going 195 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 5: to play, I believe tonight or certainly in their next game. 196 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 5: And that's just the thread with him. It's just the same. 197 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: I am so happy the Raptors didn't treade for persons, 198 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: and I feel actually bad for the rare Wizards fans 199 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: out there. I just wouldn't be excited about having my teeth. 200 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 2: Well, it's not. 201 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: Really going anywhere. 202 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: Well, I'm reading tweets here about a proposed Raptors deal, 203 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: but I almost got got by a faking out there 204 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: and a flow of fakey's. It's like people have started 205 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 2: accounts today just to write bogus trade Like there's a 206 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: lot of bogus traits out there. It's not just a 207 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: Shami Shams Sharanya, you know, like a fake Twitter name. 208 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 2: There's a lot of fake ones that aside. You just 209 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 2: said you're happy that the Raps in trade for him. Yeah, 210 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: I think that's the bonus. We just did the Ben 211 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: Simmons James Harden breakdown and how it lists the cloud 212 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: over the Sixers. It lists the cloud over the nets 213 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: because Harden's been upset. I think that's where the I 214 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: like Spencer Dinwiddie contributing, but the big cloud being freed 215 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: from under that for the Dallas Mavericks, Porzengis wasn't playing 216 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: and it's just an issue is he coming in? 217 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 3: Is he coming out? Is he coming in? Is he 218 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: coming out? 219 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: Now they know who they're going to play with. At 220 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 2: the very least, they're small Gliba and Dwight Powell, not 221 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: giants at the center position, but that's who they are and. 222 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: If they need a giant, they have one. 223 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 224 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: It's a good point, all right. Any final thoughts there 225 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: on MAVs Wizards again, you know, an interesting trade, doubly 226 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: one I don't I didn't remember hearing a lot about 227 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: and maybe a part of it. Why don't we just 228 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: go to the Wizards. Other portion of this trade deadline day, 229 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: Montres Harral going to the Charlotte Hornets, Lee, you can 230 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: get to start it here for ish Smith and Vernon Carey. 231 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, look the Hornets. 232 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: That's it. 233 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 5: The Hornets have hit a bit of a rough patch 234 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 5: right now. One of their biggest problems is in the middle. 235 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 5: They need big guys. Now Montrez I wouldn't class as 236 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 5: a traditional big, like a big stopper there, but he 237 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 5: gives them another little pop off the bench. There, guy, 238 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 5: I can give you sort of sixteen points and ten rebounds. 239 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 5: He's energy, he's effort, He's that for them. So I 240 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 5: think they get marginally better giving up ish Smith and 241 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 5: Vernon Carey. It's like, Okay, that's fine, you can give 242 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 5: up those Just disappointed this didn't get go to a 243 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 5: new team, you know, that's the. 244 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: Real Yeah, he's already played the Wizard. 245 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 246 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 5: So anyway, I like Montre's regular season. Montrez and the Hornets. 247 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 5: I'm glad to see they did something. I just think 248 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 5: they needed to just improve a little bit. But they've 249 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 5: still got that big, big problem as a defensive big 250 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 5: they don't have other than the plumb dog, a bit 251 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 5: of a weakness for them. 252 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: You were a big fan of the Vernon movies. Did 253 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: he ever go to the capitol? He went to camp, 254 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: and he went to jail. He was always on the movie. 255 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: He was always on the run. But what's his name? Yeah, yeah, exactly. 256 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: I thought it was what I thought the real. 257 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: Goal, Ernie. 258 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 6: What's his Name's not Ernest, No, it's Jim Vernon, he 259 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 6: says all the time. 260 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: We've been here. 261 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 3: I do love the Vernon in movies, you know. 262 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I thought I was smelling fume classics the. 263 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 4: Potato makers talk. 264 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: So you're saying Ernest. In all the movies that he 265 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: would go somewhere, he was always saying Vern Yeah, hey Vern, 266 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: who is he talking to the camera? 267 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 6: Well, it was a it was a it was a 268 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 6: commercial to start right, like he would say, hey, Vern, 269 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 6: have you tried this new aluminum siding or whatever? 270 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: Like, hey Vern, what do you think of this? 271 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 6: That's how always talking to the camera. Yees oh. 272 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: And then yeah, so that's where I got the carry Okay, 273 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: I get it anyway anyway, Montres Harrel, we kept saying 274 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: the hornet Steed, big Harnstey to big Hornetsteed a big 275 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: like Lee said, he's not the big big, But do 276 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: you like this little injection there? Uh at the center position. That. 277 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of the time the ball gets dropped 278 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: off the plumbly and things don't go too well. The 279 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: hands just aren't there all the time from the passes 280 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: from the mel and yeah, there's a lot of turnovers 281 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: that happen. Yeah, a lot of vernovers anyway. But he 282 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: doesn't help on the deal. He won't help on the 283 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 2: defensive ent. He that's that's the problem. That's why he 284 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 2: gets played off the floor. So where they try and 285 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: aim for somebody other than Montres Harold, I would say, yes, 286 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: some of these. 287 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: Thought they were going for Miles Turner, but then the 288 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: Sa Bona's trade happened. Was always a possibility. 289 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: Who's also you know, yeah they are the defensively you 290 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: want to play them in the playoffs because you're going 291 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: to score a lot. 292 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's why I think this is a perfect 293 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: pick up for the Charlotte Hornets. 294 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 3: All offense, no defense. 295 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 4: And it's a little bit smart too, because Is Schmidt's 296 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 4: contract goes through next season. Vernon Carey's got a longer 297 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 4: deal as well, whereas Mantres Harrold he's coming off the 298 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 4: contract or coming off the books next year. 299 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 3: It's not like the Hornets are going. 300 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 4: To be a free agent destination, but at least they'll 301 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: have some leeway to make some sort of a deal. 302 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 4: Get somebody wants to play alongside LaMelo. Plus, Harold plays 303 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 4: hard every single night, which I think the Hornets need. 304 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: As basketball nerds, do you want is Smith being the 305 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: league leader enfranchises played or do you want him tied? 306 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: No? 307 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: No, you don't want him. Want he's tied with Tony 308 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: I don't know you like Joe Smith and Chucky Brown 309 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: and Jim Jackson. Yeah, there's a five. 310 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: I want to take that. 311 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 5: It's's gonna do it the next season. He's not done 312 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 5: in the league. He'll be a free agent. 313 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: He signed through next year'll get traded next deadline. Yeah, 314 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: as long as he gets traded to another team. 315 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: From now on, we're calling Vernon carry junior Ernest though, 316 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: all right, we can we can at least admit to that. 317 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 4: Honestly, Skates, I'm not going to commit to that. No, no, 318 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 4: because I think by the next time he comes up 319 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 4: on the show we will have forgotten. 320 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, probably probably Jim Carrey always said vern Yeah, Ernest, Wow, 321 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: Jim Carrey. I mean no, not Jim Carrey. 322 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: No, I was thinking carry there for a second. 323 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: You're thinking of Carrie's coop. 324 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: The screen all day. Okay, Yeah, good job on the 325 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: Hornets getting Montrez Harrel for ernestin Ish. Our next deal, 326 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: all this one I want to talk about because this 327 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: one happens sort of right at the end of the 328 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons James Harden trade, and that is the Boston 329 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: Celtics acquiring Derek White from the San Antonio Spurs for 330 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: Josh Richardson and Romeo Langford. And there might be something 331 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: else involved in that, but I don't have it in 332 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: front of me. The key players. Derek White got it, Okay, 333 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: there's no pick involved in I don't think some sort anyway. 334 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: The Spurs man, what's going on with this team up 335 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: doing all these trades here on a deadline day? But 336 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: what do you think about the Celtics acquiring Derek White? 337 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: Obviously the biggest name here. 338 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: I'm excited for the Celtics getting Derek, the most potential 339 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: of all these guys in this trade. Derek White still young, 340 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: He's got several years low. He's paid till twenty twenty five. 341 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: I was surprised by that, But my Boston Celtics needs 342 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: some bench help. They is either he's their best bench 343 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: player right now coming off the bench, but he replaces 344 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: Josh Richardson, who I know, the sort of the love 345 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: for Josh Richardson has left the NBA world in some 346 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: way because he just hasn't lived up to expectations. 347 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: But he was he turned it on as of late 348 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: to get traded. Well, yeah, I'll tell you that. 349 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: He had a good season in Miami a long time ago. 350 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: That he did, but he was he was playing all 351 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: right off the bench this season to some degree. I 352 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: think the Celtics are training for potential here and Derek White. Sure, 353 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: I think he could be a good player, but I don't. 354 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: I just I'm not gare we just haven't seen it 355 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: for a couple of years. I like that the Spurs 356 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: are moving on from all their glut of guards. They 357 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: had to trade somebody, but they are still getting Josh Richardson, 358 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: who signed through next year as well. I guess they. 359 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm just a little confused as to what they're doing 360 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: there with Josh Richardson, that seems like a win now 361 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: type of player and the Spurs aren't winning right now. 362 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: But the Celtics did well here to get a young 363 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: guy and Derek White. 364 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: What do you like about this deal? 365 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 5: Well? I like Derek wad. I think he probably fail 366 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 5: a little bit behind Dejean de Murray's sort of resurgence there, 367 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 5: or not resurgents, but his growth this season, and he 368 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 5: sort of overtook him. Derek White dropped off just a 369 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 5: little bit, and I think the Spurs thought they do 370 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 5: have a lot of guards and they're going to move on. 371 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 5: There's a little bit more here the Celtics are doing. 372 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 5: It's sort of come through here from what was Dennis 373 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 5: Shrewder is going to the Rockets and Daniel Tice is 374 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 5: going back to the Boston Celtics there, so I expect 375 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 5: then in that case, White probably starts in the backcourt 376 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 5: there with Marcus mart which is pretty good defensively. Now 377 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 5: you've got two really long athletic guards there in the 378 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 5: backcourt there for the Celtics. So as far as Josh Richardson, yeah, 379 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 5: he went to Philadelphia and was like, okay, this could 380 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 5: be the right move. He went to Dallas, and he 381 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 5: was in Boston. He just doesn't quite seem to work 382 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 5: out for some reason. He looks like he's got the talent, 383 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 5: he looks like he's a classic three and D guy, 384 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 5: but hasn't been able to really live up to that. 385 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 5: When he was down in Miami, it was like, this 386 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 5: is a guy they're going to hang on to. So 387 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 5: I think he still can be a good player, but 388 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 5: he's starting to run out of hope a little bit 389 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 5: with him. 390 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think about the Celtics Spurs making 391 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: this deal Derek White. That's a nice piece. 392 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 4: That's a really nice piece, twenty seven years old, probably 393 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 4: in the prime of his career right now, and it 394 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 4: seemed like he had a little bit of potential until 395 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 4: the Spurs kept bringing in guards that they wanted to 396 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 4: play ahead of them. So I think that's what the 397 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 4: Spurs are doing, is just trading away anybody who might 398 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 4: be getting in the way of de Jon Day Murray 399 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 4: and Devin Vessel, Josh Primo, maybe even a little bit there, 400 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 4: but the Celtics getting Derek White, a long guard and 401 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 4: a good defender. The Celtics have really turned it on recently, 402 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 4: and it's because they've been playing defense. So adding another 403 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 4: young guard out there, so between Marcus Smart, Jalen Jason, 404 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 4: Derek White, that's a lot of arms out there on 405 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 4: the perimeter. Wing defenders are at a premium right now 406 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 4: in the NBA, So this is a good get. 407 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: You're going to see the Celtics on a lot of 408 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: people's lists for winners of the trade deadline guarantee that 409 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: either later today or tomorrow, because I like this too 410 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: for obviously what they gave up there and Josh Richardson, 411 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: he is like this classic like he had been playing 412 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: better as a blate, but he still goes like he goes, 413 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: oh for eight, and then he's six for nine, and 414 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: then he's two for seven, and then you know, he's 415 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: a very respectable we'll give you a little defense five 416 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: for six out there. He is just back and forth, 417 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: back and forth, but had turned it around a little bit, 418 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: like I said recently, and I think that helped him 419 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: get traded here and they get Derek White. 420 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: I love it. 421 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: I think this is a great, great trade here for 422 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics socially, when you pair what they had 423 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: done earlier with the luxury tax shipping out of what 424 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: PJ Doser and Bowl Bowl down to the Magic, so 425 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: good stuff from Brad Stevens, who's this is his first 426 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: headline here right as a as a GM of the 427 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: team other trades. I'm sorry that keeps looking at Vernon 428 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: Carey's name and that kid is Jim Varney. Okay, the 429 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: Sons get Jalen Smith, Pacers get Tory Craig. This is 430 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: a little minor deal here, but we thought Jalen Smith 431 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: would be moved from Phoenix and we were like, what 432 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: will they get back and will they pair it with 433 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: Darius Sarch and what will they do in the end 434 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: they bring back Tory Craig to the desert. 435 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: What do you think tests I think this is a 436 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 2: no risk move for the Indiana Pacers to get young 437 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 2: guy in Jalen Smith. Why the heck not take a 438 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: chance on a guy who is a high pick just 439 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago for Tory Craig, who is 440 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: going to help a championship contender once again. Yeah, the 441 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: Sun's tinkered around the edges as they we expected them 442 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 2: to do a little bit, and they even when got 443 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: a backcourt player as we'll get to along with Tory Craig. 444 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, it is unfortunate what Jalen Smith panned out 445 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: to be. I mean, he was selected before Tyres Haliburton. 446 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: I mean you have to hope for him that he'll 447 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: find his way in Indiana and this is a good 448 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: move for them. 449 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: Trey, what do you think? 450 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's cool for the Suns to bring 451 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 4: in a guy who kind of knows their system already 452 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 4: and has played with a lot of the guys that 453 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 4: are there. Because this Sons team basically stretches back to 454 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 4: the bubble, right, so those guys are pretty familiar with 455 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 4: each other. So he should be able to slot right 456 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 4: in as a little defensive replacement here and there. And 457 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 4: we'll get to this other move eventually with the Suns. 458 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 4: But I think it's good. You know, they're just messing 459 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 4: around with the end of their rotation, getting some guys 460 00:20:58,560 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 4: who they are. 461 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 3: A little bit more comfortable with come playoff time. 462 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the other move he's alluding to is they also 463 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: bring in Aaron Holiday dealt in a trade exception there 464 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: with the Washington Wizard. That's where he was last playing, 465 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: one of the Holiday bros. So, yeah, the Suns get 466 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: Tory Craigan Aaron Holiday here as they gear up for 467 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: their playoff push. 468 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 5: Aaron Holiday can mop up a few possessions as their 469 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 5: point guard. That's one of the areas they don't have 470 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 5: great depth there. They've got after Chris Paul. It's kind 471 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 5: of Elfred Payton. So it's like, get Aaron Holiday. Why not? 472 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 5: You can pick him up for virtually nothing, So I 473 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 5: think it's a good smart move. When you're a championship contender, 474 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 5: you're not making the big haymakers. You're just saying, let's 475 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 5: get a little bit of extra help here, some depth, 476 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 5: maybe another defender, another guy who can just help us, 477 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 5: because they're expecting the Sons to play a good twenty 478 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 5: twenty five games after the regular season, so you need 479 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 5: a few extra bodies with a bit of experience, and 480 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 5: guys can go out there and just take some possessions. 481 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 5: So they've quietly done very very nicely today Phoenix. 482 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: So or about fifteen minutes after the deadline officially hit 483 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: there at three pm Eastern time, trades can still trickle 484 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: in and maybe they are really I know you got 485 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: your Twitter counts humming along, but at this point, what's 486 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: the most surprising team to not make a move that Akers. 487 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 2: Yes, the way they've been playing, the way they've been acting, 488 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: the way they've been commenting in the media, that something 489 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: has to change. Something we can't go forward with this team. Essentially, 490 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: I feel like there's got to be something that's going 491 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 2: to happen here. It's three eighteen according to my clock. 492 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: When did the calls come into the league office? Something 493 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: had to come in before three Eastern and we're still 494 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 2: waiting for the details. I would be shocked if the 495 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: Lakers didn't make a move, and you know, the Dennis 496 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: Shrewder one was something I thought that could be done, 497 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: just because he is familiar with the Lakers and because 498 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: he was there. But if they don't, I do think 499 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: they will fire Frank Vogel. And it's not Frank's fault, 500 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: but I think they need to go into this next 501 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: half of the season with something changed in their locker 502 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 2: room because frankly, that's what they've been saying. We need 503 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 2: something to change, and they've been vocal about that. 504 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: The last I saw when it came to the Lakers 505 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: was Ramona Shelburne saying the Lakers do have a deal 506 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: available to them to trade Russell Westbrook to the Houston 507 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: Rockets for John Wall but they are bulking out, including 508 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: the additional draft assets the Rockets are asking for. 509 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 3: So seven, yes. 510 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: Yes, it would be pretty amazing if LA decided not 511 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: to move Westbrook because they wanted to. 512 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: Keep a twenty first round pick. Well, it's if Plank 513 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: I supposed plays hardball. This is what happened last year 514 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: at the trade deadline, when Kyle Lowry was on the table. 515 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: We all thought Kyle Lowry was gone, and the Raptors 516 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 2: supposedly wanted Taylor Horton Tucker. The Lakers said no, sir, and. 517 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 5: It cost them, and it cost them badly. I think 518 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 5: in the sas they would have loved to have had 519 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 5: Kyle Lowry and potentially have him on the team as 520 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 5: well this season. 521 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of Russell Westbrook. 522 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 5: If they if they made the same mistake, then you 523 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 5: know that's there aren't problem. If they do now just 524 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 5: turn around in five raight. Sorry, we couldn't make any trades, 525 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 5: so you're out of here. That would just be a 526 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 5: terrible look for this team because, as I said before, 527 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 5: either say he shall coach for the rest of the 528 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 5: season or fire him now. Don't leave him dangling like 529 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 5: this and dragging him along because I think they're trading 530 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 5: him really badly. 531 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: Trey, were there any other teams that you're surprised haven't 532 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: made a move, at least that we know of at 533 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: this point, you thought the Grizzlies might be active. Any 534 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: other squads? 535 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 3: Are you asking me? 536 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 4: Because every team in the top eight in the Eastern 537 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 4: Conference made a trade except for the Chicago Bulls. 538 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: I set you right up. 539 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 4: M A little surprised, a little disappointed, but you know, 540 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 4: I guess that the Bulls management is saying, we're going 541 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 4: to take our chances in the buy out market. It's 542 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 4: not worth pushing all of our chips in now. Apparently 543 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 4: Casey Johnson of the Chicago Tribune is reporting that they 544 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 4: weren't even close to including Patrick Williams in any of 545 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 4: these deals, which would have been their biggest chip, no 546 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 4: doubt about it. 547 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: So the Bulls got. 548 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 4: Smoked a lot in January, like they got destroyed by 549 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 4: the Nets, they got destroyed by the Warriors. That a 550 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 4: four game losing streak kind of came at the right time, 551 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 4: because at the end of December, I was likely aoah, 552 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 4: let's trade all these young guys and try and win 553 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 4: a championship right now. Then they ran into a bunch 554 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 4: of the great teams in the league and found out 555 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 4: they're probably just a good team right now. So yeah, 556 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,239 Speaker 4: that's a little disappointing, but smart long term vision, all 557 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 4: things considered. Honestly, the same thing for the Memphis Grizzlies. 558 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 4: They're overachieving right now. Keep the vibes immaculate, if you will, 559 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 4: So keep rolling with Kyle Anderson. 560 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 3: See if you can do anything in the buy out market. 561 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 4: It's gonna be heated in the buy out market. All 562 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 4: these old vets who will come in and contribute four 563 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 4: or five minutes a game, and we'll talk ourselves into 564 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 4: it being the biggest deal in the world. I'm still 565 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 4: hyper Larry Sanders going to the Cats gonna be throwing 566 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 4: those ooops, just like Chris Anderson any other teams. 567 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: Lee that you're at this point. Shock didn't do anything. 568 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: We didn't think the Warriors would probably do it. Yeah, 569 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: you don't have them. I assume the Knicks. I guess 570 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: with their record and the way they're playing. They already 571 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: did the Cam Reddish movie. Yeah, beat everybody does a 572 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: punch well gay and not play. 573 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 5: That's The problem here is they did this a couple 574 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 5: of weeks ago where it was like, Okay, they're building 575 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 5: towards something here, we're going to see a significant move, 576 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 5: and there was nothing really close. We didn't see any 577 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 5: sort of rumors or whispers about them. So they're set 578 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 5: with who they've got. They've traded for a guy, they've 579 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 5: given up a first round pick for him as well, 580 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 5: and he's not doing anything. So the Atlanta Hawks as well, 581 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 5: I think their recent wind streak, the recent form probably 582 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 5: had travish Lincoln the front office. They're saying, you know what, 583 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 5: maybe we're actually not too bad. We just needed to 584 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 5: get everybody healthy. DeAndre Hunt is a huge change on 585 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 5: that team when he's healthy. He's a two way player. 586 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 5: So I think the Hawks is another team. But yeah, 587 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 5: the Lakers, I think they were looking around and just 588 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 5: seeing if they could fleece somebody, and everyone's like, no, thanks. 589 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: No thanks. They've got gun. 590 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: I like Trey Alude to the Bulls didn't make a 591 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: move in the Eastern Conference. I love how everyone's gone 592 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 2: for it in the East, and like the Celtics, we 593 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 2: talked about just fortified that bench. Now you've got Daniel 594 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 2: Tice as your backup big. You've got Derek White as 595 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: your backup guard to go along with Grant Williams, who's 596 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: their PJ Tucker light there. So those three guys coming 597 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: off the bench behind the J's and Marcus smartin Horford, 598 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 2: Robert Williams looking good. Everybody going for it. You gotta 599 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: like that, everybody feeling like they've got a chance. Like 600 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: it is wide open and a lot of teams do 601 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: have a chance. In that Eastern Conference. 602 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: It feels like of the thirty teams in the league, 603 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: like I don't know, twenty you were active today at 604 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: some point or another making even if it was a 605 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: minor deal, there was a lot of these. 606 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 4: Isn't that the exact same number of teams that make 607 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 4: the play in tournament. Wow, that was a smart move 608 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 4: by Adam Silver. 609 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, got us some good stuff here on trade deadline day. 610 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: I think we can call it there. You know, even 611 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: if other trades trickle in, unless it's a biggie that 612 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: we didn't see coming, unless it's a deal, unless it's 613 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: a I don't know who else, is not going to 614 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: be a little it's not gonna be Windy. 615 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 5: Windy is also signing that the the Rockets and the 616 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 5: like has talked but couldn't get anything done. 617 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: Okay, what I was gonna say is, if nothing else happens, 618 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: I think we will just see everybody. Tomorrow morning. We'll regroup, 619 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: we'll do the Drop podcast. We'll probably do winners and 620 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: losers of the NBA trade deadline ourself. We'll have some 621 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: more thoughts on some of these deals. Maybe we'll even 622 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: hear from some of these players and what was going 623 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: on in their former teams. Who knows. We'll also have 624 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: all of your Friday Drop staples, rapid fire fun tweet 625 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: of the night. Yeah, and what else. I don't know, 626 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: my brain is completely shut off. 627 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: Talk about the draft that happens tonight, Jesus great. Yeah, 628 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: Lebron and k D should be interesting. Hear them on 629 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 2: the microphone, see. 630 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: What type of mood they're in. Lebron's probably gonna like 631 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: actually try and trade one of his Lakers players. Legit 632 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: the regular season, forget the draft, forget the all start 633 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: getting Okay, I've got Tail and Horton talk. What are 634 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: you interested in, Katie? Yeah, so we'll talk about that. 635 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: We'll talk about the trade deadline, our winters and losers 636 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: a whole lot more. That's tomorrow ten am Eastern live 637 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: here on YouTube, and we turn it into a podcast 638 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: as soon as humanly possible. 639 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: Like the vid. 640 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: Subscribe to No Dunks on YouTube, leave your boys a 641 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: five star rating and review wherever you download, and listen 642 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: to No Dunks Fun Day again. It worked out, honestly perfectly, 643 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: the way these trades were trickling out and how we 644 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: could tackle them. Got to give it up to JD 645 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: our guy, just a you know, a tip of the 646 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: cap from mister Dutton there and a slow clap from 647 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: ranging jezon unbelievable work. We will see you guys tomorrow. 648 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: Until then, embrace the day people. I'm telling you, JD, 649 00:29:42,520 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: I can't even anymore. I haven't moved from the spot 650 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: a