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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is not They.

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Speaker 3: Call me Ben. We're joined as always with our super

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Speaker 3: producer Andrew the try Force Howard. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 3: You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 3: want you to know. If you are listening to our

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Speaker 3: listener mail program the evening it comes out, Welcome to

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Speaker 3: February thirteenth. No worries. It's a Thursday, not a Friday,

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Speaker 3: as the calendar reckons. We have so much stuff to

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Speaker 3: get to. We're going to We're going to folks, to

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Speaker 3: be honest. We learned about some crazy new plans of yesteryear.

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Speaker 3: We got a magnificent first hand account from a firefighter

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Speaker 3: or exotic landscaper as he prefers to be called.

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't laughed. So much heavy stuff going on with firefighting,

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Speaker 4: but it's good to have a little gallows humor, I

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Speaker 4: guess around it.

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Speaker 3: That's a good one. Oh my gosh. Telepathy tapes mushrooms, bigfoot,

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Speaker 3: stefan voice. This has everything. We also got a lot

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Speaker 3: of great responses to our conversation that we keep returning to.

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Speaker 3: And I hope it's not me putting my own fascinations

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Speaker 3: onto the group or projecting, but man, these chime erase

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Speaker 3: the future of organs, especially as things get riddled with

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Speaker 3: micro and nanoplastics.

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Speaker 4: And personhood, which came up on our last Strange News episode.

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Speaker 3: Strange News, Yeah, and that program we teased the mountain

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Speaker 3: that became a man light. I didn't use because it's

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Speaker 3: kind of gendered, but we talked about the tree and Athens.

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Speaker 3: We've talked extensively about something that fascinates us all, which

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Speaker 3: is the argument of the ship of thesis. And it

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Speaker 3: turns out, fellow conspiracy realists, the five of us you

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Speaker 3: listening along at home and try Force and Matt and

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Speaker 3: Nolan myself are not the only people who are endlessly

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Speaker 3: fascinated and maybe a little freaked out by the future

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Speaker 3: of personhood.

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Speaker 4: Let's jump to a tiny ad break and then we'll

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Speaker 4: come back and get right into that conversation, and we

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Speaker 4: return with a message from Colby Jack Cheese. Here again,

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Speaker 4: Colby Jack says, and as always, you can use read

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Speaker 4: this on the show if you want. With that being said,

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Speaker 4: let's get to it. Listening to your most current listener

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Speaker 4: mail as at the time of writing, episode where you

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Speaker 4: talk about the eth of growing human organs in pig bags,

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Speaker 4: which sounds like the name of an industrial band, and

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Speaker 4: a question struck me like a kick from a horse.

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Speaker 4: What if someone was in total body paralysis and you

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Speaker 4: were given the choice to, through the power of imagination

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Speaker 4: for now to transfer their mind to pig host so

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Speaker 4: a new body can be grown. Is that pig a

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Speaker 4: person now a human despite all the wet wear being

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Speaker 4: distinctly different from a human. Does it obtain personhood or

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Speaker 4: are they now lower on the food chain of humanity.

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Speaker 4: I'll stop here to keep myself from rambling, but I

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Speaker 4: will leave you with this. How do you measure personhood?

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Speaker 4: Is it by intelligence? We have a hard time measuring

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Speaker 4: that as far as I'm aware. Or could it be language?

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Speaker 4: If your dog slash cat slash fox slash fourth dimensional

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Speaker 4: it be considered a person despite being a clear non human.

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Speaker 4: Love the show and all the interesting questions that keep

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Speaker 4: me distracted from the bar fight going on today in society.

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Speaker 4: Much love to you from me kolby Jack Cheese. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's this makes me think of I don't know. There's

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Speaker 4: a lot of depictions in like comic books, for example,

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's short and beautiful and sad and brutal

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Speaker 4: and speaks to a lot of this kind of stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: year whatever year that happened to have been. It is

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Speaker 4: It's wonderful, but it speaks to wouldn't you say, guys

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Speaker 4: remember speciism? That's the one. It's this idea that there

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Speaker 4: as well. It does straddle the line of personhood. But

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Speaker 4: I think that Colby Jack really does bring up some

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Speaker 4: interesting questions. But this idea of if a human consciousness

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Speaker 4: if again, we were able to communicate with lower what

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Speaker 4: I guess deservingness of personhood.

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Speaker 3: I throw it to the room. Guys, Matt, you're throwing

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Speaker 3: the crowd. What's really fascinating about this, too is the

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Speaker 3: Colby You're you're taking the next step in thought experiment

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Speaker 3: What was that Faustian bargain we pitched or that devil's

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Speaker 3: only put it in a pig. Is that pig now human? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: These are These are the logical questions that we will

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Speaker 3: have to ask. Please, please, please, if you have not

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Speaker 3: You know. I love it when, especially really expressive domestic

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Speaker 3: Canines, that's because they evolved to communicate more efficiently with

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Speaker 4: We believe that AI is leading us to this inevitability

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Speaker 4: That's a pickle, my man. That's very well put and

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Speaker 4: lack of a better term. I don't know, Mad, you've

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Speaker 2: And we've returned, we are jumping to the phone lines

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Speaker 7: It's just fascinating. So look into the tape. Let everybody

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Speaker 2: in this test library you can see individual videos that

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Speaker 2: appear to be individual examinations like a one off test

435
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: basically that is run that appear to test potential telepathy

436
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: of some sort or brain connection of some sort that

437
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: would be abnormal or would appear to you know, not

438
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: be the way that human beings communicate and function generally,

439
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: the way we observe. If you click on any of

440
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: these individual tapes, it shows that you have to join

441
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: the organization or you have to become a member of

442
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: some sort and pay some money in order to see

443
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: these individual things. That makes sense, right if you're attempting

444
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 2: to monetize something like a podcast, like a website, like

445
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: you know, further studies. But unfortunately, at least from this end,

446
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: feels a bit weird because I would love to gain

447
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: access to those raw tapes, just as somebody who's interested

448
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: in the topic, to at least test for my own

449
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: brain whether or not I believe these individuals to have

450
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: these sorts of things right, or to be able to

451
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: communicate in these ways, it does feel a little weird.

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00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you. And that doesn't necessarily, to be clear, folks,

453
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 3: that doesn't necessarily mean that it is somehow functioning with

454
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 3: bad intentions, right. And from what I understand Matt and

455
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: Plabe and null Entry Force, what I understand is that

456
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 3: proponents of the telepathy tapes have themselves criticized the critics

457
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: and said, hey, you're being ablest because these people are

458
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: not communicating in the methods that you or via the

459
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: methods that you feel comfortable calling communication. However, again, there

460
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: are just trying to be very fair. It seems like

461
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: there's some serious issues with some of the methodology of

462
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: the test, you know what I mean.

463
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. There is one specific test you can view

464
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: in the trailer the test itself, the tape. You can

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00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: view it on their website. It is titled UNO or

466
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: UNO one Houston, and it is a test where there

467
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: is there is someone who is being tested for telepathic

468
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: abilities sitting at a table, their caregiver is sat next

469
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: to them, and doctor Dian Powell is behind them, and

470
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: she is showing the camera which is positioned across from

471
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: the table UNO cards, so shuffling a deck then showing

472
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: an UNO card to the camera. Then the person with

473
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: supposed telepathic abilities is pointing to a separate object that

474
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Speaker 2: has one, two, three, four, five, six, seventy nine ten

475
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: on it, and then it also has like plus and

476
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: minus on it, So this person can point to plus

477
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: two and that would represent the draw to card that

478
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Speaker 2: you might be familiar with in an UNO deck. As

479
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: you're watching this tape, specifically, in the trailer, I haven't

480
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: seen the whole thing. It appears to show the test

481
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: subject looking directly at the camera as the next UNOCRD

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Speaker 2: is drawn, And in my mind, because of the way

483
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Speaker 2: that test is set up, you cannot rule out the

484
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Speaker 2: possibility that the test subject can see a reflection in

485
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Speaker 2: the lens or in a part of the camera body,

486
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Speaker 2: or in you know, something that is slightly reflective there

487
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: the card that is behind him, and you would have

488
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Speaker 2: to rule that kind of thing out. If you're going

489
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Speaker 2: to redo that test over and over and over again,

490
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: you'd have to change the variables enough and test it

491
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: and test it and test it to really show that

492
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Speaker 2: that person has the abilities that they're purporting, right, And

493
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: again I don't I haven't listened to the entire show.

494
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: I haven't watched this whole thing. But you would have

495
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: to repeat these tests enough to at least convince me

496
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: or you know any scientific body that that single individual

497
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Speaker 2: shows those capabilities.

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Speaker 3: That single individual, Yeah, because they're not they're not to be.

499
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: Or again, there's no argument that this is something for

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Speaker 3: everyone who is nonverbal on the autism spectrum.

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00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: Oh no, not at all. Again, these are self reported

502
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: cases where the caregiver reaches out right and says, hey,

503
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: I've found this to be true. You also can't discount

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00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: those individual reactions from a caregiver or findings of a caregiver.

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00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: So in my mind, it is just a fascinating subject,

506
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: fascinating concept for a podcast and a show, and I

507
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: can't wait to dig into a deeper So thank you,

508
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: plead for reaching out to us and sending us this.

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00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: I would say, I reached out to my ex wife,

510
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: who has a lot of experience in this field with

511
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: children on the autism spectrum at the Marcus Institute here

512
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, and she was fascinated by it. And hopefully

513
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: we're going to have a further discussion about it, because

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00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: it is one of those things that when you work

515
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: with especially a child who is nonverbal, the incredible communication

516
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: that occurs that is not through speaking, and that can

517
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: be developed and honed. It's it's it's mind boggling because

518
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: it's just a different way of communicating.

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00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love that you're pointing that out. Matt.

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Speaker 3: Three quick things here. First, Yes, we know that the majority,

521
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: especially when you're in person, the majority of human communication

522
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: is in fact nonverbal. It's something like sixty percent mix. Secondly,

523
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: we do know to be absolutely clear that in certain

524
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: cases there are people who are diagnosed on the autism

525
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: spectrum who do exhibit abilities that the majority of humanity

526
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: would consider extraordinary or superhuman. I'm thinking of, for example,

527
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: just for an example of an ability, uh, Stephen Wiltshire,

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00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 3: who is one of this phenomenal painter with an artist

529
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: with edetic memory. He's the guy you probably read about.

530
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: We discussed him in real life Superpower series, who can

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Speaker 3: fly in a helicopter over a city and then over

532
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: a period of days he can reproduce a massive, accurate

533
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: portrait really of an entire city. And he's done this

534
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Speaker 3: around the world.

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Speaker 4: It is just like sort of a kin to photographic

536
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 4: memory type situations, or are people that can, like, you know,

537
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 4: read a book once and then tell you exactly what

538
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 4: page and passage you know, in paragraph a particular phrase

539
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 4: appears on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, photographic memory is like Vinn diagram with a detic memory.

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Speaker 3: I was talking about this in an email with Big Chucks.

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00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: I think photog I don't want to get to too

543
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: far away from the subject, but it's next one question.

544
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: Photographic memory is the way it's depicted often in fiction

545
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: and film. Science is still really the science is still

546
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: really hotly contested over whether or not that actually exists.

547
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: And then edetic memory largely exists in children under twelve,

548
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: in about two to fifteen percent of children under twelve.

549
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: And what we're talking about here in this exploration is

550
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: really the mystery of communication and the fact that often

551
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: there is a certain dogmatic approach to science in Ivory

552
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: Towers that is simply true. There's this hierarchy of questions

553
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: that seem to be allowed or disallowed, and so sometimes

554
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: if you stray too far from what is considered quote

555
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 3: unquote legitimate scientific inquiry, then people may be dismissed out

556
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: of hand. This is something our associate Russell Tard dealt

557
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 3: with when he was looking into his research. Now to

558
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: exercise humanity here too. I think this is one of

559
00:34:54,680 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: the key things. We can't automatically be dismissive. And I'm

560
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: not hoping I don't come off dismissive when you asked

561
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 3: that first question, Matt. The reason that I and other

562
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 3: people argue this could be potentially dangerous to people children

563
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: on parts of the autism spectrum is because the argument

564
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: has never been that this is all kids, right. The

565
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: argument has been some kids, as you said, Matt self reported.

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Speaker 3: So if there is, for instance, a caregiver who is

567
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: trying to force these kind of techniques or things on

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Speaker 3: the kid, then it could be quite distressing, even with

569
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: the best of intentions. So it's something we need to

570
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 3: be very careful about. And again, you know, I hope

571
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: I don't sound like militant on this. I'm sort of

572
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 3: holding this up and feeling all sides of it. Does

573
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: that make sense? Oh, yeah, it doesn't.

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00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: I think you're doing a fine drub well.

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Speaker 2: I think the desire may also rise out of hope

576
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: and desperation, right, hope that you will one day be

577
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: able to communicate with your child the way you see

578
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: other parents communicating with their children. You hope for that

579
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: so and you desire that so deeply that the possibility

580
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: that you could potentially communicate with them in this other

581
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: way drives you so strong that you may allow yourself

582
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: to see or believe or feel things that may not

583
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 2: be fully true simply because you need it. You want

584
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: it so badly. And again, that is not to talk

585
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: down at any parent right of a child in the

586
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: spector or anything like that. It's just that is just

587
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: human nature to desire that. I think, Yeah, guys, have

588
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 2: you ever had the hill dream?

589
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 5: No?

590
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe I got a couple of recurring ones.

591
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 3: Tell me about it.

592
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if I've had it either, but

593
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 2: I've certainly had a recurring dream on a hill where

594
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: flight is possible and there are a bunch of other

595
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: human beings flying around on this hill. There's some other

596
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: specifics to it. I want to learn more about it,

597
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 2: but it's a recurring thing. I would say, this one

598
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: feels like, oh, how would I put it? Almost like

599
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: a bunch of students of some teacher hanging out on

600
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: a hill, flying around to like tree tops and stuff

601
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: and being kids kind of, it's very weird, is very strange.

602
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 3: And surely when we look at these things, because dreams

603
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: also memory of dreams changes over time, just like memory

604
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 3: of any other event, it's best to write them down honestly,

605
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: no matter what.

606
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 4: Because they just dissipate. Yeah, like tears in the rain.

607
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: Dream motifs are interesting or I guess themes, you know,

608
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 4: what's the word, kind of flavors that are universal. I

609
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: have this one all the time. Different kind of twists

610
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: on it, but it usually involves like having the opportunity

611
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 4: of a lifetime and being completely unprepared for it. Like

612
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 4: I've joined my favorite band, I'm in radio Head, but

613
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 4: I don't know how to play any of their songs,

614
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: and I'm on stage at like Carnegie Hall or you know,

615
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 4: the Hollywood b or something.

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Speaker 3: What I love about this is everybody does have something

617
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: like dreaming, unless you have some specific and serious conditions.

618
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: The difference is usually when people tell you that they

619
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: don't dream, they mean they don't remember what their brain

620
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: is doing in that defragging process. And Matt to your point,

621
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Speaker 3: I think this is tremendously illustrative of how how people

622
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: specifically approach what they consider real or what they consider bunk,

623
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: because there are a lot of people who might have

624
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: heard telepathy tapes or a conversation now where we're striving

625
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: to be objective and fair, and they might have said

626
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 3: they think that's malarkey. But then they might believe that

627
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: they have a light ability toward precognition, right, or that

628
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: they are meeting outside entities in their dreams. And I

629
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: say this as a I who for many many decades

630
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: has had recurring conversations with a talking blue tiger that

631
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: doesn't and they're lucid dreams, and it doesn't give us

632
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: about what's going on. Sorry, beat me there. It doesn't

633
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: givish about what's going on in my life. It wants

634
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 3: to talk about, uh, very specific forms of philosophy. It's

635
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: like Alice in Wonderland and the caterpillar kind of and

636
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 3: I don't know why that happens, and I don't know

637
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: why it keeps happening, but yeah, so everybody kind of

638
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: picks and chooses, and that comes from to bring it

639
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 3: all back around. That seems to come from, as you

640
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: so beautifully put, this deep desire to communicate, you know,

641
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: and it reminds me we should do an episode. We

642
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 3: should do an actual episode on dream experiments. There's so

643
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: much there.

644
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: My god, Yes, I've got this one where there's this

645
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: talking raccoon with a bunch of weapons and he sounds

646
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: just like Bradley Cooper Rock. You're right, sorry, going back

647
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: to that. Well all right, well, hey, thank you so much. Please,

648
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 2: thank you, and y'all tell us what you think about

649
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: the telepathy tapes, this concept of ESP. Who you know,

650
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Speaker 2: what could it mean? Are humans just not ready for

651
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: that kind of extraordinary thing? Do we just are? There

652
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 2: too many movies about it. It just feels like fantasy

653
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 2: or not real life. What how would we convince everyone

654
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: that ESP is real if there's scientific backing to it?

655
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 4: Is that a queen reference you made there, Matt.

656
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: I have no idea, he said, his real life.

657
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 4: As it is fantasy something along those lines. Mama Mia,

658
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 4: I say very important questions.

659
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Speaker 2: I don't know the rest of it.

660
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: There you go, your eyes anywhere the wind blows.

661
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 2: Join us on the hill. We'll be right back, and.

662
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: We have turn folks of full disclosure to thirds of

663
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: us are on the road, and the road holds its price.

664
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Speaker 3: So we are going to get into a kind of

665
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 3: loose third act of our listener mail segment. We're going

666
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: to start with a We're going to start with a

667
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: great reaction to our two part series or something we

668
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: mentioned our two part series two episodes on the Darien Gap.

669
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Speaker 3: Please check that out if you haven't heard of it before.

670
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 3: In the meantime, we present to you a story from

671
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Speaker 3: Della which I don't know about. You guys gave me

672
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: no small amount of travel fomo, I want to hear it.

673
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: Here it goes hi, guys, says Della. We just got

674
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: back from a cruise to Antarctica. While on a tour

675
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: in Ushaia in Tierra del Fuego, waiting for the cruise

676
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: to board, the guide mentioned that this is the south

677
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: end of a road that can be traveled all the

678
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 3: way to oh, forgive my pronunciation, Utzskaigvik, on the Arctic

679
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: Ocean coast of Alaska. Della's talking about the Pan American Highway. Here.

680
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 3: The guide said that the only break in the road

681
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: is the Darien Pass and how dangerous it is to

682
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 3: travel there. So I was very excited to hear your

683
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 3: new episodes on the subject. You guys, remember how we

684
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: talked about that wild plan in part one of our

685
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: Darien Gap episodes or chapter one, where even the New

686
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: York Times co signed this wacky idea to just bomb

687
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Speaker 3: the hell out of Panama.

688
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 4: It's fine, who could go wrong?

689
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: And Panama said, okay.

690
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: No, Panama said, you guys, you already have a canal.

691
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: And then we shared a specific article from New York

692
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 3: Times at the time that said, this will be fine.

693
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 3: We'll just put you know, thirty something nuclear bombs to

694
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Speaker 3: obliterate the Darien Gap. We'll build a canal, we'll make

695
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 3: a bridge over it. There are people who live there,

696
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: but you know they don't vote, they don't subscribe to

697
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: the Times.

698
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Speaker 2: Dude, did you guys see the news with Panama happening

699
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: right now?

700
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, the Rubio stuff, right.

701
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Rubio stuff, but the canceling the Hong Kong

702
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: contract and allowing the US to travel through there free.

703
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: And the response from Panama basically saying, yeah, we're ready

704
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: for war and their nuclear option would and they said

705
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: this former president of Panama said, well, we would just

706
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: open the gap. We'd open the Darien Gap and let

707
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: everybody in. That would be our final chess piece move.

708
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 3: We call that Grinsonship.

709
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, tea, guys, I just wanted to chime in really

710
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 4: quickly because I have to pop a little bit early

711
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 4: from today's episode to make a flight. But a friend

712
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: of mine, old friend, having heard our Darien Gap episode

713
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 4: and hipped me to a documentary that a friend of

714
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 4: his did for a Singapore news agency that follows a

715
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 4: handful of Chinese families from Ecuador to the US through

716
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 4: the Darien Gap and it has a really good kind

717
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 4: of overview of the logistics of traveling that route. And

718
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 4: it is called Walk the Line, a CNA insider documentary,

719
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 4: and it's it's very well done and I highly recommend

720
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: checking it out.

721
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Speaker 3: Awesome. Thank you for the recommendation. And be safe out

722
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 3: there man. Well thanks fellas. I'll see you guys soon. Bye.

723
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 3: Help me hangout all the time by ulture too, and

724
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: we'll also be hanging out. February nineteenth, Get the to Brooklyn.

725
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 3: Check out stuff they don't want you to know. Presents

726
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: a conspiracy of sound. It's just for you. The show

727
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 3: starts at seven point thirty. If you show up at

728
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: six thirty, you can be a part of the show.

729
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: At the legendary National Sawdust in Williamsburg.

730
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Speaker 2: That's that's less than a week. Get there, Get them

731
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: tickets now.

732
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we've got to make sure our whole teams

733
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: tickets as well. Don't worry, we're on it, and we're

734
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: we promise we're not going to deploy a nuclear device.

735
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: We ninety nine percent promise we are not going to

736
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 3: deploy a nuclear device.

737
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: Well, now there's definitely going to be undercover folks there

738
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: checking us out and tracking our phones.

739
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: Benh jeez, Matt, I've got some offline conversations. So let's

740
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 3: go back. Let's go back to this, to this note

741
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: from Della. So Della says there's a lot more to

742
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: the story of nuking the jungle, the Darien Gap to

743
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: build a road, and there is an Alaska connection, and Della,

744
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: you all live in Alaska. You continue. Back in the

745
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: nineteen fifties, there was a plan to build a new

746
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: canal through Panama by detonating nukes to test whether the

747
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: theory would work. Edward Heller proposed Project Chariot, a plan

748
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 3: to detonate six nukes off the Alaska coast at Cape

749
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: Thompson to create a new harbor. So we're deployed, Yeah,

750
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: we're placing nukes just so, almost like eracing a land

751
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: tile in a strategy game, so that we can make

752
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: a harbor, we can carve out a big enough piece

753
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: of land for boats to pass through.

754
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: Well, I gotta say it's a much better use of

755
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 2: them than you know, obliterating cities that have people in them.

756
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: But still not great.

757
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, like if you had to if you woke up

758
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: one day and someone said, hey, good news, bad news,

759
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 3: we've got too many nukes. You got to get rid

760
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: of six of them today, that's the bad news. Good

761
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 3: news is you can choose between a coast on Alaska

762
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 3: or you know, a major metropolitan area of your choice.

763
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: Hmmm, let's go with the land tile.

764
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: Let's go with the land tile. And as Della says,

765
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: what could go wrong? Oh yeah, it's delicate tundra and

766
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 3: temporary home to a multitude of migratory birds and caribou herds,

767
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 3: not to mention the folks who live in the village nearby.

768
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: But who could really be hurt here? I need a

769
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 3: sarcasm fought, by the way, We'll do that again for you, Della.

770
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: But who could really be hurt here?

771
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: So?

772
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 3: Fortunately, you continue a group of pesky biologists from the

773
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: University of Alaska Fairbanks and the natives who lived in

774
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: the nearby village of Point Hope put up a brave

775
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 3: and lively opposition to the plan, and it was eventually abandoned.

776
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: Several scientists lost their federal grants and their jobs due

777
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: to their unwillingness to sign off on a project that

778
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: their research showed would cause a great deal of harm

779
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: to the ecology and people in the area. I highly

780
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 3: recommend the book The Firecracker Boys by Dan O'Neill, which

781
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: tells their story to end. Says Della, I couldn't get

782
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: a picture of the ice dome that surrounds the flat

783
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 3: earth bummer out in Antarctica, but here is a photo

784
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: of a very cute baby elephant seal and a picture

785
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: of my dogs, just because they are Nico aka the

786
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: dragon aka a hole as and why are you such

787
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: an and Auto aka goofball aka what do you have

788
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: in your mouth? Anyway, thanks and keep up the good work.

789
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 3: I love the open minded way you approach topics and

790
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 3: your willingness to listen to other points of view. You

791
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 3: can use this on air. I suck it clever nicknames,

792
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 3: looking forward to the next episode. I want to go

793
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: to Antarctica so bad, Matt, Yeah, it's so bad.

794
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: Well, there's gonna be an ice wall until I don't

795
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: see it with my eyes. And that's not how I

796
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: don't know, yes, but I share that desire.

797
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 3: That's how we should pitch it to our right. We

798
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: should just say, guys, thanks for making the time for

799
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: this meeting. Really important stuff we need to sort out.

800
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: Have you ever not seen the ice walls? Me? Neither?

801
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 3: And this got this gut is thinking too about nuclear

802
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: explosions in engineering. There have been a lot of very

803
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 3: strange drawing board propositions to use nuclear explosions for great

804
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: feats of engineering, you know what I mean, to basically

805
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 3: build a better dynamite. And the issue people are get,

806
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: the reason that's not happening all the time now is because,

807
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 3: thank goodness, people learned about radiation at some point and contaminations.

808
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: Now a lot of the engineering related to nuclear devices

809
00:49:54,680 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 3: nuclear technology is, thankfully, how do we how do we

810
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: build less dangerous nuclear structures and devices? And then you know,

811
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: how do we build like fusion, right, sustainable fusion things

812
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: like that, And then you know, the super fascinating one,

813
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: how do we warn people or warn some other civilization

814
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: millennia hence about where all the nuclear waste is buried?

815
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,959
Speaker 2: Right with a skull and crossbones emoji?

816
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: Mm hm. And what if the creatures that find it

817
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 3: don't have skulls? Like, how do we teach them?

818
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 8: Right?

819
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: What if it's too late? That's where you get this star.

820
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: There's a real fascinating stuff you should know episode on

821
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: this from back in earlier evenings and we talked about

822
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 3: it in the past. It goes into these really innovative

823
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 3: ideas about genetically engineering plants that that emit a bioluminescent

824
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 3: glow when exposed to radiation, right, or building stone megaliths

825
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: that somehow convey the danger of the area.

826
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember reading about all that stuff mega liths

827
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: and hieroglyphs basically mm hmm.

828
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

829
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Speaker 3: And who knows by that point people may have or

830
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 3: the descendants of people may have some sort of extraordinary ability.

831
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 3: This is a lot to think on. This is probably

832
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: going to be I think a future episode idea kind

833
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 3: of a Venn diagram of stuff they don't want you

834
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: to know in Ridiculous history, Matt, if I could pitch

835
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 3: it to you, the top X craziest things people tried

836
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 3: to do with nukes.

837
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a no brainer.

838
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: We're in. We're in. Thank you so much the Della.

839
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 3: As we said, we're going to keep this loose. There

840
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: are two letters from home for us. We discussed this

841
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: last week. We didn't we didn't quite get to it.

842
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: But we're still you know, we're still cracking away on

843
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 3: following up with everybody who's taking the time to write

844
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: or to call. Here is a correspondence we had with

845
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 3: our pal, Mike, the Exotic Landscaper. Hey, just listen to

846
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 3: your strange news program on the California wildfires. As a

847
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: Federal wildland fire fireman in South California, I appreciate you

848
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 3: guys shedding some light on the situation. I was not

849
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 3: sent to any of the fires in LA, but I

850
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: was on the line for the fire here in the

851
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 3: San Bernardino National Forest. If you have any questions about

852
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: the federal side, I would be more than happy to

853
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 3: answer them. Also, as far as the California Inmate cruise

854
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 3: are concerned, those dudes and ladies are the real deal.

855
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 3: Good to hear Mike. I've worked with several of them,

856
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 3: and they for the most part are excited to get

857
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: the training and experience because they can be picked up

858
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: by the Forest Service upon their release. Those dudes are

859
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 3: like Rocky and Rocky one, and a lot of the

860
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: California fire cats I've worked with are like Rocky in

861
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: the beginning of Rocky. Anyway, thanks again for the show,

862
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 3: and so we go on and we ask Mike a

863
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: couple of questions. You know, we say thank you for

864
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 3: cutting past the unfortunate noise and headlines inmate firefighters. We

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Speaker 3: also point out, whenever we have these conversations, especially in

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Speaker 3: the American justice system, being locked up does not automatically

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Speaker 3: make you a bad person. Matt, I know is very

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Speaker 3: important to you and me both to point out that

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Speaker 3: these are human beings with communities. Logically they have a

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Speaker 3: moral obligation to protect the people and the places they love.

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Speaker 3: And then we ask for the following question, what are

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Speaker 3: the primary things that you guys there on the line

873
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 3: need people to know about the fires and the larger contexts?

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Speaker 3: And Mike says, first and foremost, the federal engines are green.

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Speaker 3: Take the me green vehicles right, Nope, And Mike also

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Speaker 3: says he says a little aggravation here, nobody knows the

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Speaker 3: difference between California fire local departments and the Forest Service

878
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Speaker 3: US federal cats only work the fires on federal land. Also,

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Speaker 3: us on the federal side are not technically firefighters, which

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Speaker 3: is so weird, right because they are fighting fires, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but technically not firefighters.

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Speaker 2: Well, what else are they doing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, exactly, that's a question we have to follow

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Speaker 3: up with you on, Mike. Mike says, our job title

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Speaker 3: is forestry technician. That way, we don't get some of

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Speaker 3: the benefits firefighters get, so maybe it's a budgetary move. Also,

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00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: we stand to lose about half hour pay because Congress

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Speaker 3: won't pass a pay protection Act. Plus the hiring freeze

889
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Speaker 3: has affected our numbers when we're already low on personnel.

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Speaker 3: And Mike has included some other stuff here. One of

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Speaker 3: our favorite facts we learned was since we aren't technically firefighters,

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Speaker 3: there's a few of us that refer to our ourselves

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Speaker 3: as exotic landscapers. That lotiful.

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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of the techniques in fighting a fire

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Speaker 2: is altering the land and you know, the foliage, the trees,

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Speaker 2: the groundcover and all that stuff like that's in the

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Speaker 2: pathway of the fire, right, Yeah, I can totally see

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Speaker 2: how landscaping is one of the primary things that they do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't that fascinating. We often forget that skill sets

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Speaker 3: the average person on the outside might not see as related.

901
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 3: These skill sets often coalesce, you know. So of course,

902
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Speaker 3: being really well versed in forestry management is going to

903
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Speaker 3: make you far more prepared than the average person to

904
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Speaker 3: tackle a wildfire. And we are happy to report in

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Speaker 3: related California fire updates that our good friend and collie,

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Speaker 3: the one and only mister Miles Gray, is back on

907
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: Daily'sygeist and do check him out. It's his return is

908
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 3: an episode not to be missed for everybody who is

909
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: whether an exotic landscaper, a firefighter, however you were involved.

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Speaker 3: Please stay safe out there and know that we have

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00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 3: your back. We're gonna move on here. We said we

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Speaker 3: would want to end on an up note. Matt, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure you saw this too. We get a great funny letter,

914
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Speaker 3: actually an invitation from our pal Ward. Did you see

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00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 3: this one?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Tell me? Oh? Here we go okay, so Ward says, hey, guys,

918
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Speaker 3: I love the podcast and listen to it a lot.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Ward, thanks for helping us keep the lights

920
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 3: on Ward says, I'm in Greenville, South Carolina. I own

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Speaker 3: a store called the Mushroom Spot. This is a nano

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Speaker 3: farm and retail store from my shrooms parentheses the legal ones.

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Speaker 3: I know how you have commented on fungi and mushrooms

924
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: a lot or fun guy, whatever your preference. We have

925
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 3: all kinds of cool speakers and workshops too. Fun guy,

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Speaker 3: Fungi are amazing and essential. Anyhow, here's the invitation. I

927
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 3: was contacting you to make sure you knew about this

928
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Speaker 3: year's Georgia Bigfoot Conference happening March twenty first to twenty

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Speaker 3: second in Demorest, Georgia. I had not heard of this,

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00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 3: but Matt is where you mentioned a bigfoot conference recently.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's the big alien one that contact in the desert,

932
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Speaker 2: one that we got invited to last year where we

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Speaker 2: couldn't make it. This is brand new and checking it

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Speaker 2: out right now, let's see how far away it is?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how far?

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Speaker 2: Let's see putting it in. Looks like it's about an

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Speaker 2: hour away from me.

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Speaker 3: It's doable, okay, So that's okay. Well, we won't turn

939
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Speaker 3: this into our logistics conversation, but.

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Speaker 2: But that's doable. That is what I'm saying, yeah, it's doable.

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Speaker 3: It's doable. We always check this the first time we

942
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Speaker 3: get invited to something that feels local, because depending on like,

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Speaker 3: Georgia is a weirdly shaped state, so you know, something

944
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Speaker 3: in Savannah is much more difficult for us to get

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Speaker 3: to than something an hour away.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope I'm not over explaining Georgia because we

948
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Speaker 3: have a lot of listeners in Georgia already.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, dude, Wait, we're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: there's a restaurant over there. Yeah, it's an oyster bar.

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00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: Oh there's a Cuban cafe. Oh, they've good food.

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Speaker 3: We're in you know what. I'm sure we could. I'm

953
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: sure we could talk. Nolan did this one because I

954
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Speaker 3: think I think you had a little fomo about move on.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we uh on some wood? Huh would knock

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Speaker 2: anyone anyways? Bueller?

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Speaker 3: All right, great, I've got to be quiet. It's like

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Speaker 3: four am over here. Uh okay, so Ward continues. I

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00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: am not a conspiracy theorist, nor do I give much

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00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 3: credence to a physical Bigfoot, but who knows. I like

961
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Speaker 3: the idea of an interdimensional cryptid. We do too, that

962
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 3: might happen with aliens too, who knows, but it is

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00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 3: fun to think about and a great exercise for the mind.

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Speaker 3: The Mushroom Spot will be a vendor at this year's

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Speaker 3: Bigfoot conference. Congratulations, Ward, I've never been before, though my

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Speaker 3: brother has. He's gonna sell his hot sauce there, Matt

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Speaker 3: this year. If you come to the festival, please stop

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Speaker 3: buy my table. I'd love to meet you all. Please

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00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 3: keep up the good work as long as they whomever

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00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: they are, permit you and even after and this is

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Speaker 3: my favorite part. Mush love Ward.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh no?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Did did we get a did we get a drum

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Speaker 3: riff for that one? Andrew? Also, Andrew, do you want

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Speaker 3: to go to this thing with us? Yes?

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Speaker 4: I would like to go. I want to meet big Foot.

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Speaker 3: Yes. Congratulations everybody tuning in. Uh that is the first

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Speaker 3: on air reaction from our producer, try Force. We did it, Matt,

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Speaker 3: We got him. This is our show for the evening.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realist

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Speaker 3: for spending some of your time with us. We also

983
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Speaker 3: want to think, of course, Colby, Jack Cheese, pleab Ward,

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Speaker 3: Mike Della, Miles and everybody who has reached out to

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Speaker 3: us on the internets, who has given us a summons

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Speaker 3: on a telephonic device, or who has stared into the

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Speaker 3: void and written us a letter. Just light ward, Oh

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Speaker 3: my god, mush love. All right, you can find us

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Speaker 3: on the internet. Should you sip the social meds Instagram,

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01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 3: conspiracy stuff, show Twitter, nay x, that would be conspiracy stuff.

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Speaker 3: You can also find us where we are on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: You can see all those old videos from our war

993
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Speaker 3: stories that we mentioned as YouTube dot com slash conspiracy stuff.

994
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 3: But let's say that you, for one reason or another,

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Speaker 3: have decided to pull back a little bit from social media.

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Speaker 3: Let's say you just heard our episode on social media's

997
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Speaker 3: damaging effects on attention span and you're more like a

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Speaker 3: hear me out. Let me. Let me just call you

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Speaker 3: kind of person, Matt. Riddle me this. What do people

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Speaker 3: do in that situation?

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Speaker 2: Wow, you pick up your phone. You dial one eight

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Speaker 2: three three st d w y t K. It is

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Speaker 2: our voice MAI system. You've got three minutes, give yourself

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Speaker 2: a cool nickname and say whatever you'd like. Just do

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Speaker 2: in the message. Let us know if we can use

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Speaker 2: your name and message on the air. If you got

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Speaker 2: more to say then can fit in that voicemail. Why

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Speaker 2: not instead to send us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: We are the entities that read every piece of correspondence

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Speaker 3: we receive. Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void

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Speaker 3: rights back. No, wait, you might be saying, really, really though,

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01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 3: does it happen? Well, there's one way to find out.

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Speaker 3: Send us the link, send us the photos, send us

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01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 3: the story. Most importantly, send us ideas for episodes in

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Speaker 3: the future. You are the most important part of this show,

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Speaker 3: and we'd love for you to join us. One step

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Speaker 3: away from the light. Out here in the dark, we

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Speaker 3: are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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