1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. So 2 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: one of the memes that I get sent most frequently, 3 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: I would say several times a month is that image 4 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: of a person sitting by a sign of three people eating, 5 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: laughing and talking, and the person sitting by the sign 6 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: they have a bowl of something and they're looking at 7 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: the sign and laughing, so they're in conversation, and the 8 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: caption is always something like this is how it feels 9 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: to listen to podcasts, and I get it. But today 10 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: we're going to mitigate that a little bit, right, I'm that. 11 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm no, it's not really a meme, but one of 12 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: my the you know, an image that I used to 13 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: kind of define my life by is of that cartoon 14 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: dog sitting in a room on fire saying everything's okay. 15 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: That's how I feel when I read UH iTunes reviews, 16 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: And we'll get to those as well. But one thing 17 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: that always UH lights up our studio and our day 18 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: is our better third are super producer Casey Pegram Casey. 19 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: I've got to ask you. We've been in this business 20 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: for a long long time. Now, do you ever read 21 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: reviews of shows you create? I do, Actually, I read 22 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: all the reviews. Um, I feel like I'm in a 23 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit better position to do that because 24 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: I'm not typically the on air personality. It's it's a 25 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: little less personal. But I do like to be aware 26 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: at least of what the people are saying out there, 27 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: even if they're jerks about it. You know, It's it's 28 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: good to know sometimes the truth can hurt. Casey on 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: the case Well, you, my friends are in our living 30 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: in interesting times for this episode because we are going 31 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 1: to explore some reviews, and you occur in a few 32 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: of them. In fact, we're not just going to explore reviews. 33 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: We're not just going to explore emails. We're explored everything. 34 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: This is sort of a moment where we say, enough 35 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: about us, what about you? Because on this show we 36 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: always ask, or we frequently ask a question towards the end, 37 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: like what are some weird town names in your neck 38 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: of the global woods? Or what are some other strange 39 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: military experiments, etcetera, etcetera. At all are we talking about 40 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: military experiments today? Ben? I mean we might get to it, 41 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, because every single time we do an episode, 42 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: we get this flood of amazing correspondencies from you, specifically 43 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: you and your fellow listeners. And although it's tough for 44 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: us to respond in a punctual manner in writing, we do. 45 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: Each of us read everything that you said, and we 46 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: enjoy them. We think you make important points. And today, 47 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: in this very special listener Maile episode, we'd like to 48 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: share some of the things that your fellow listeners have 49 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: told us recently, recently being since we started making this show. Yeah, 50 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: we we were not done a listener mail episode before. 51 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: Surely we have. We've done one, Casey, Yeah, we've We've 52 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: done at least one before. At least we've done like 53 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: to probably who knows Casey on the case. Okay, well, 54 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: I guess I will go first with a listener email. 55 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: This one comes from Sophie s um And She is 56 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: a student at Stanford University. Subject is of the Spooky 57 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: Stanfords and reads as such, Hi, Ben Nolan Casey, my 58 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: name is Sophia. Excuse me Sophia, and I am a 59 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: history major at Stanford and a huge fan of the show. 60 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: First of all, I just wanted to say thank you 61 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: for endlessly entertaining me with your podcast. It's my absent 62 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: is very very sweet and kind. It is my absolute 63 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: favorite show I listened to and I have recommended it 64 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: to all of my history friends. Each episode reminds me 65 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: why I fell in love with the subject of history 66 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: in the first place, and continue to fall in love 67 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: with it. The more I learned. That fills my heart 68 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: with joy. It's always so nice to hear from people 69 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,839 Speaker 1: who are actually history majors who liked the show. Uh 70 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: that I think. I think I speak for both of 71 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: us when I say thank you for the kind words, Sophia. 72 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: So let's get to the juice of this email. This 73 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: past year I took two classes about Victorian America and England, 74 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: and one of the phenomenon from that time that pulled 75 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: my interest the most was spiritualism. You guys touch on 76 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: this in your episode about the cock Lane Ghost, which 77 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: was fantastic, but I found tons of other stories about 78 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: it which I thought were really fascinating. I'm not sure 79 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: if you guys have ever heard about spiritualism or occultish 80 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: practices at Stanford or in the Stanford family. If you haven't, 81 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: I highly recommend going to school here. This topic was 82 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: something I didn't know much about, but once I dove 83 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: into some research, I found it was very present in 84 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: the school's origins in early years. Oh you're speaking my language, Sophia, 85 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: because this is true and this would make a great episode, 86 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: Sophia continues. While it's highly contested that the Stanfords were spiritualist, 87 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: it is known that Jane and Leland Stanford did at 88 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: least participate in seances and other spiritualistic practices in an 89 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: attempt to contact their deceased son, Leland Jr. For whom 90 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: the university is a memorial. It's even rumored that the 91 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: spirit of Leland Junior came to Leland Senior in a 92 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: dream and told him to build the school. Here's where 93 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: it starts getting fun. The wackiest of the Stanford spiritualist 94 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: was Thomas Welton Stanford, Leland Senior's brother, who was known 95 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: to hold sciences in his home in Australia, where mediums 96 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: would conjure spirits and cause objects to fall into the 97 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: lapse of participants. These objects, called supports, were various, strange 98 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: and supposedly ancient artifacts which would materialize out of thin 99 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,119 Speaker 1: air thanks to the help of the medium. Of course, 100 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: this is me talking. We we know a lot of 101 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: this was. These were plants. These were special effects employed 102 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: for the purposes of kind of bamboozling these folks out 103 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: of their money and tricking them into thinking they had 104 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: actually had a spiritual experience, when in fact it was 105 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: all just kind of smoke in mirrors. Uh. She goes on. 106 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: Welton donated these objects to the university to be studied 107 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: and put in the museum, and while they were initially 108 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: dismissed as junk by the school's administration, they reside today 109 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: in our special collections. The type of items included are 110 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: ridiculous in themselves, despite their supposed supernatural origins. Sophia continues, 111 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: My personal favorite thing about all of this is that 112 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: Welton also acquired a large grant for the School for 113 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: Psychical Research, which is the study of the possibility of 114 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: phenomenon beyond known human capabilities, such as telepathy, esp and 115 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: other stuff like that. So I'm just gonna interjected psychometry, clairvoyance, telekinesis, 116 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: etcetera researchers, says Sophie did experiments on students testing to 117 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: see if these phenomena were possible or not, but eventually 118 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: the branch dissolved and the grant went to solidify the 119 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: now famous Stanford Psychology department, Uh famous, infamous, A little column, 120 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: A little column b uh. And this, uh, this is 121 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: explored in another show we do call stuff they don't 122 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: want you to know, Sophie continues. While not really related 123 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: to spiritualism, the mysterious death of Jane Stanford would also 124 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: be interesting to look into. It was originally announced that 125 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: she died from heart complications, but some claim she was 126 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: actually poisoned by her own secretary. Yikes, this is a 127 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: long one, but I think this is almost like Sophia, 128 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much for doing all of this incredible 129 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: research on our behalf and helping us uh fill out 130 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: a nice listener mail episode. And also I think there's 131 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: something we could explore further. Um. Despite there being so 132 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: much spiritualist history at Stanford today, it's almost entirely unknown, 133 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: most likely due to the administration covering it up for 134 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: the sake of the school's right mutation. Lots of stuff 135 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: to unpack there, but here are some great articles to 136 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: sum it up, and she gives us a handful uh 137 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: that I think we will definitely use a jumping off 138 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: points for a deeper discussion on this topic. UM. So 139 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: sorry for this absolute novel of an email again, no 140 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: apologies necessary. Thank you in fact from Ben and I, 141 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: but thanks again for all the fantastic shows. You guys 142 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: are the best. Sophia. Thank you Sophia. This was as 143 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: as I believe you mentioned at the top. This was 144 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: great to read anytime someone who is in the history 145 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: buff rights to us and tells us that they enjoy 146 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: the show. Uh, what would you like an angel gets 147 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: its wings? Absolutely? You know, Uh, we have looked into 148 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: some of the fascinating stories of the spiritualist movement in 149 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: the US and Europe. We could do an entire show 150 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: on that, by which I mean in a completely different podcasts. 151 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: But I think this is this is an idea we 152 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: have to do. Wouldn't you agree? Yes? Absolutely? And uh 153 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: it's true. She gives us links to several pretty deep 154 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: dive research materials on various accounts of this this, these 155 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: these stories of spiritualism in the Stanford UM kind of 156 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: university family. So I am ready to go and do 157 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: a Stanford UM. I don't know. Maybe we could make 158 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: it a crossover with stuff they don't want you to know. 159 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: We've never done that yet. Maybe we could also, maybe 160 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: we could go to Stanford and do the cross over there. Yeah, sure, 161 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:31,119 Speaker 1: why not? And here's a letter from Tory McKenna regarding 162 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: our recent episode on Albert cash Sheers. You remember that one? Yes, 163 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: of course the Soldier yep, just so. So, Tori writes 164 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: and says, Hey, I just listened to your July eleven 165 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: episode on Albert Cashiers, and I just wanted to say 166 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: that as a non binary person, I really appreciated the 167 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: care you all took to always refer to Cashiers with 168 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: he him pronouns, and you never dead named him using 169 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: the name given to a trans person before they transition, 170 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: except the brief man at the end of the Gravestone modification. 171 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: I know this doesn't sound like a lot, but a 172 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: lot of podcasts that discuss historical trans or non binary 173 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: people really don't handle them well, so much so that 174 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: I definitely almost didn't listen to the episode because I 175 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: was really worried about it. But I'm glad I did, 176 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: and tend to miss gender them, usually accidentally, but it 177 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: still makes it kind of hard to listen to. So anyway, 178 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: I just wanted to reach out and let you know 179 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: that your care on the topic was appreciated and came through. 180 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: I love the show. I download episodes on my phone 181 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: so I can listen to them in my mc garage 182 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: when I'm working on stuff. Uh. They're informative and entertaining. Cheers, Tory. Uh. 183 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: You know, we received several um communication memos notes about this, 184 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: and we appreciate it because I think Noel, you and 185 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: I were very mindful of of how to tell these 186 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: stories that need to be told in a respectful manner. Yeah, 187 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: we always try to be and we do definitely have discussions, 188 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, off air before we go on. And Ben, 189 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: it was you actually that that cluded me into this 190 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: idea of dead naming being referring to a person who 191 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: has transitioned by the name they were born with, rather 192 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: than the name they chose for themselves. So that was 193 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: an important thing that I learned and realize that it 194 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: was important to use that name not only from the 195 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: point of the story when this figure transitioned, but just 196 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: from the start, because that is the name that they 197 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: would have wanted to be called by. In discussing this legacy, 198 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: you know, it's clear that this is a learning process 199 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: for us. These stories are important and they should be told, 200 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: and they need to be told in a respectful way. 201 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: And and We're not reading tories email here to give 202 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: ourselves a bath on the back, not at all, because 203 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: I think we I think, well, I don't know about you, man, 204 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: but I spent the week thinking like, oh boy, did 205 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: we Did we mess up on that way? Absolutely? And 206 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: that's the we think about stuff like that all the 207 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: time because it's very easy, the Internet being what it is, 208 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: for people to get the wrong idea as to like, oh, 209 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: you guys just don't care or you didn't bother to 210 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: do your homework. We always care, and we usually do 211 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: our homework, but it's very important for us to get 212 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: stuff like that right and be respectful of everybody. And 213 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: this is just a good example of us hopefully getting 214 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: it right. And we're not always going to but um, 215 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: we're always going to do our best too. There's one 216 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: thing we're not gonna read this next email full, but 217 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: there's there's one huge point that came out of the 218 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: Albert Cashier's episode that everyone needs to be aware of. 219 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: Ryan Zentmeyer writes to us and says, I'm a trans 220 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: person living in San Diego, which has a strong military presence. 221 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: I have several trans friends who are veterans. While we've 222 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: made some progress in society at large, the military remains 223 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: hostile to trans people, as evidence by the ban on 224 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: trans people in listing and Ryan goes through several examples 225 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: of this. It's important for everyone to remember that history 226 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: is still being written, and in this case, your voice 227 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: and your opinion and your uh your work matter. So please, please, please, 228 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: please please do not feel that Albert Cashier is an 229 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: isolated story or something distant in the past. Right. It's 230 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff is happening now. That's why it 231 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: was such an interesting story because it was uh, such 232 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: a different time, and it was someone who was successful 233 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: and even um colleagues you know, who served alongside Cashier 234 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: came to his defense. When faced with being stripped of 235 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: all his accolades and of all of his uh you know, 236 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: pension and and you know, the things that were due 237 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: to him for his military service. He had colleagues who 238 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: you would have thought would have been absurdly transphobic or 239 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: you're not even known what to make of it, that 240 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: came to his defense and said, no, this person served 241 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: alongside me and was very brave and did every bit 242 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: the same amount of work and you know, exhibited the 243 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: same amount of courage that I did or anyone else 244 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: in the team. More so even because the stories of 245 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: Cashier's heroism spoke for themselves, you know, in terms of 246 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: I think he kicked someone's ass and like escaped back 247 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: over enemy lines. Right. Um, So that was a really 248 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: cool part of the stories to hear other folks from 249 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: that time who you would not have thought would have 250 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: gone to bat for a person like this doing so. 251 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: So you know, you're right, history is continuing to be written. 252 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: But it's also nice to think that everybody back in 253 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: the day wasn't um completely ignorant, I guess, product of 254 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: their product of their environment, able to think for themselves. 255 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: So thanks for those perspectives and for checking out the show. Uh. Next, 256 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: we have um something that we put out there a 257 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: while back in our episode about the Giants of Prussia, 258 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: where I believe in a quintessentially ridiculous history esque side conversation, 259 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: we asked for people to submit us the names of 260 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: weird towns. I think it was because of King of 261 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: Prussia Pennsylvania that it came up in. Yeah, that's a 262 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: that's a weird flex is a town name, and it 263 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: really is, if I recall correctly, we asked everyone what 264 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: the strangest names they had heard were, you know, in 265 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: their local area or just passing through. And what we 266 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: realized just now too is that while the Ridiculous Historians 267 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: Facebook group is a great place for a conversation, not 268 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: the most searchable situation in the whole wide world of history. 269 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: So we had a hard time. We knew we had 270 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: some really great ones on there, but moving forward, in 271 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: terms of promising to do better, we're gonna try to 272 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: maybe like tag those or screenshot them and we see 273 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: something that we want to, like, you know, save for 274 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: a future you know, listener mail or listener feedback episode 275 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: text each other or to text each other. It's true. 276 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, we have this one from k 277 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: Sullivan that does a pretty good job of of of 278 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: throwing some pretty great ones at us on its own. 279 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: So this will kind of be a stand in for everyone. Sorry, 280 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: if you send us good ones on the page and 281 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: we didn't get we didn't get to it. Um, So 282 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: I just listened to the Prussian Giants episode where you 283 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: call for weird town names. My parents live in Horseheads, 284 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: New York, which is quite near to Paint Post, New York. 285 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: Plenty of good town names around there in the finger Lakes. 286 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: Drive down to Pennsylvania, of course, and you have more 287 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: than just King of Prussia, which I used to live near. 288 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: You have drumroll Please Intercourse, which is ironically in the 289 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: heart of Amish Country. Nine years old. Yeah, we're all. 290 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: We're all. We're all nine years olds here. Um. These 291 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: days I live in Scotland or we have plenty of 292 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: delightful and the delightfully rude place names like Twatt. I'm 293 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: gonna pronounce it like that just to keep the sensors happy, 294 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: cock Bridge and Dick Place. We've also got Broken Wind, 295 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: Hell's Glen and the always charming town of dull Dullsville, Right, Um, 296 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: keep up the ridiculousness. Best case Allivan, those are great. 297 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: Shout out to while we're on the case. Shout out 298 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: to Kevin Hitchens, who decided that he had to tell 299 00:16:54,200 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: us about Dildo Newfoundland, fun rude, delightfully rude. Shout out 300 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: to Cindy lou who who writes to us and says, 301 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: toad suck Arkansas, toad suck, toad suck. That's right up 302 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: there with Dick Place. You know, I feel like when 303 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: you're exploring new lands and naming a town, you should 304 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: put a little more thought into us, a little bit more. Um. 305 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: Just around this off, me and Ben found some weird 306 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: town names of our own UM, starting with Accident, Maryland. 307 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: Welcome to Accident is with the you know when you 308 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: when you when you come crossing into that town is. 309 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: There's also slick poo Idaho. Yeah. And there's a great 310 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: article on Thought Catalog fifty two weird names of places 311 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: in the United States, and um. Third on their list 312 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: is Chicken, Alaska. And I bring that up because there's 313 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: a really great little roadside attraction where there's like a 314 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: chicken coobe and a egg cut out, like a wood 315 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: cut out, and it says I got laid in Chicken Alaska. 316 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: There's Uh, there's also gas Kansas, you got cut and 317 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: shoot Texas. I'm just thinking, you just passed gas. You 318 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: sure did embarrass Minnesota. Uh Yeah, Santa Claus Indiana. Experiment Georgia. 319 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: The whole place is kind of one big experiment if 320 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: you think about it. Did we already mention Hell Michigan? Okay, 321 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. It's a hell on Earth. It's 322 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: fifteen miles northwest of Ann Arbor, following up with that, 323 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: we've got Frankenstein, Missouri. We've got tight Wad Missouri. Oh 324 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: and by the way, the there's a sign on a 325 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: post in this Thought Catalog article pertaining to Hell, Michigan 326 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: that says the road to Hell is paved with good 327 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: intentions and lots of potholes. I just want to point 328 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: out that there is a both a Fartsville, Indiana and 329 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: a Poopsdale. And why shouldn't there be both of those things? 330 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: Why shouldn't they be able to co exist? You know? 331 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes you uh, sometimes you go for a fart, you 332 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: overshoot and you end up in a poop. There you go. Oh, 333 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: we are indeed children. Now. We hope you folks are 334 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: are enjoying this as much as we are. Just highbrow 335 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: MPR approach to town names, it's true and uh And 336 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: speaking of folks enjoying things or you know, not enjoying things, 337 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: we thought we would do a thing that we haven't done. 338 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: We're always asking you guys to leave us uh iTunes 339 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: reviews or Apple podcast reviews. Um, that's what they're calling 340 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: it now. But we thought we would go through and 341 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: read a couple of our favorite choice reviews from folks 342 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: that don't enjoy what we're doing here on ridiculous history, 343 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: just you know, because it's fun and like, in the 344 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: words of nine inch Nails, I hurt myself today to 345 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: see if I still feel Yeah, And there's a there's 346 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: a bit of Catharsis here. Also, you know, I do 347 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: this comedy stuff on the side, and one of the 348 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: big rules about comedy is if you have missed the mark, 349 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: try to fail in an endearing way. So with that said, casey, 350 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: this is this is what we were alluding to earlier. 351 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: Are you ready, my friends, I'm ready. Let's hear it 352 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 1: all right, fantastic, let's uh, let's babe get a just 353 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: a bad reviews? That was pretty good? Do you like 354 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: that one? I loved? Okay, So let's dig into the 355 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: bag here of um of terrible, horrible, awful, no good, very, 356 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: unkind unpleasant reviews. This one, um, this is sort of 357 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: what you would consider kind of a middle ground of 358 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: of bad reviews. This one comes from Devil Doc DVL 359 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: Underscore Doc and the subject is could be a lot better. 360 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: I used to really enjoy this show, but lately it 361 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: seems like a couple of stoners just reading articles off 362 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: of Wikipedia. Uh. They also bring on a guest that 363 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: really brings down the show. I wonder who they might 364 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: be referring to. I don't know, no, no, no way 365 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: of knowing. It's gotten to the point where I've had 366 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: to unsubscribe one star. Womp wamp. So Uh, should we 367 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: address these these things here, these concerns the mystery guests. Well, no, 368 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 1: we we I think we can do that. Um, but 369 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: the fact that we are stoners are not the fact 370 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: the notion that we are stoners reading things off Wikipedia. Uh. 371 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: And I can assure you we do not use Wikipedia 372 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: on this show. Look in the in the world of research, 373 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: Wikipedia is most valuable. I'm not gonna just entirely dismissive, 374 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: but Wikipedia is most valuable for these sources and bibliographies 375 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: at the bottom. You know what I mean. And go 376 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: go check those out of check them out and see 377 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: if they're viable, see if they're actually worthwhile. Um. No, 378 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: we don't use Wikipedia. I can neither confirm nor deny 379 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: that we are stoners. Next review by a millennial philosopher, 380 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: meandering and boring, filled with self righteous virtue signaling I 381 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: get it, You're better than everyone. Because you're woke white 382 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: men liberals, which is interesting because technically one of us 383 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: is not, you know, quote unquote white. Everything in history 384 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: is problematic. White people are evil, Colonialism is evil. Men 385 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: are evil. This is so painful to listen to. And 386 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: that's when they actually get to the topic, which takes 387 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: around twenty minutes. Do not waste your time. First of all, 388 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: the stories themselves, of the episodes of themselves are never 389 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: that much longer than twenty minutes, So I think we 390 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: get to the topic a little quicker than that. Sir 391 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: what is his name again? Woke millennial millennial philosopher? Got it? 392 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: Got it? Well? Um, right on, sir. You know, I'm 393 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: thanks for checking out the show, and we'll try to 394 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: get to the topics quicker. I guess now we're not 395 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: thank you for making your opinion. Indeed, Okay, this one 396 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: comes from Susie seven with a z um and the 397 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: subject is uh, these idiots are annoying right to the point. Um. 398 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: I listened to this for the first and last time. 399 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that that all happened in the span of 400 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: one episode. These two idiots take an interesting story and 401 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: constantly interrupted with their lame attempts on trying to be funny, 402 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: can't delete this app fast enough? Whoa hold on, let's 403 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: unpack this real quick casey uh do you think she 404 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: means that like, we ruined podcasts for her entirely deleted 405 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: the entire app. Yeah, we we wrecked the whole medium. 406 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: So it's just done. Now. Can you even delete the 407 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts up on your iPhone? I believe you can. 408 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: Yeah you could. Also if if you're still listening and 409 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: you're like, why am I cursed listening to this app? 410 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: You can also use a root kit to get that 411 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: stuff off your phone. Be careful, you might break it. 412 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,239 Speaker 1: I do have to say, I like the idea of 413 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: someone reading a book so bad that they burned a 414 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: library down, the entire library, not just the book. Um 415 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: so one star? Oh okay? Good? Wouldn't it be funny 416 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: if there was one? There was five stars that just 417 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: totally drug us to the dogs and that Here's a 418 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: review that says has potential by Jill four five seven 419 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: good interesting topics. Research seems to go beyond the first 420 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: page Google results mostly upbeat tone, but as others have mentioned, 421 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: the host really need to tighten the delivery and rein 422 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: in the non sequitors. Lately, they've even joked about knowing 423 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: this is an issue, but they do it anyway. I 424 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: don't know if they realize just how boring the personal 425 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: anecdotes and inside jokes are. There's a lot of repetition 426 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: because they lose their a place so often. Most accidental 427 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: two parters are due to a lack of editing, not 428 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: an abundance of relevant content. First of all, I'm sorry, 429 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: I don't mean to be combative here. That's not what 430 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: we're that's not we're about on ridiculous history. Um, how 431 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: many accidental two parters have we actually have had accidental one? 432 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: How many two parters period have we ever had? Not 433 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: too many? I think really only the Wayne Fetterman ones 434 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: George Washington, that's right, But that was with Christopher Hasciots 435 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: and it just ended up being an abundance of stuff 436 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: that was longer than our typical thirty five to forty 437 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: minute episode run times. Weird flexes, weird flexes again, same difference, right, 438 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: there were four of us on that one. Yeah, idiomatic 439 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: for the people, yep. But again these are not accidental 440 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: two parts. These were purposeful, which maybe makes it worse 441 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: but the review goes on, right now, oh boy does 442 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: it ever? I can also live without all this sound 443 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: effects and fawning over producer Casey Casey. What do you 444 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: think about that? I don't know what you guys are 445 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: talking about Casey on the case. I mean I could 446 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: answer that we fawn over Casey because he's awesome and 447 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: he's the best part of the show and he's what 448 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: makes it all happen. All right, Ben, that's true. That 449 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: is absolutely that is absolutely true. And the review goes on. 450 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: But you know what I thought was really cool as 451 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: that Jill four or five seven left us three stars 452 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: and also this delightful sentiment. I was shocked to hear 453 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: one of the guys mentioned having a dream about Dave 454 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: Matthews band while in high school or middle school. UH. 455 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: I would have sworn they were early gen X or 456 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: older by the way they talked and their senses of humor, 457 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: but apparently they're older millennials. Go figure three stars and we, 458 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: of course, you don't want to trick anyone into listening 459 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: to UH an episode. That's just us reading bad reviews 460 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: about ourselves. That's very that's very strange way to pray 461 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: an episode. So We're gonna move on to some other stuff, 462 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: but we do want to thank everyone who took the 463 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: time to write a review. You know what I mean? 464 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: Like this? We always say podcasts are free, but they're 465 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: not really. Probably heard me mention this on the show before. 466 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: We we maybe don't use money to pay to listen 467 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: to a podcast, but we use the most important currency 468 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: of our age a lot of time. Now time. Yeah, So, 469 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: so thank you for spending time with us, paying attention. 470 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: And you know, uh, not every show is for everyone, 471 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what is for everyone. Ben his friends. Yeah, friendship, 472 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: m you and I actual facts friends, Casey, all of us. 473 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: We hang out outside of uh this podcast shipping container, 474 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: which I believe we owe the ridiculous historians. Yes, that 475 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: came up. We will take a picture of that today 476 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: and post it. What do you say? Let's do uh 477 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: one more email each? What do you think? What do 478 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: you think? You got a good one? And get anything 479 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: up to sleep? Yeah, that's a pretty short one, and 480 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: a fun one at that. The subject here is death 481 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: of Tohoe the Monkey. That doesn't sound like fun at all. 482 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: Whether there's more Ireland rom in the U. S Air Force? 483 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: This is from Ross m my dear esteemed and learned 484 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: gentleman of ridiculousness, very very nice, nice use of the Yeah. Firstly, 485 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: many thanks for your work. I love your show and 486 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,719 Speaker 1: have been studiously trawling through your back catalog since discovery 487 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History some weeks ago. I'm particularly fond of the 488 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,719 Speaker 1: listener mail Hey and uh. And while I was listening 489 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: to the Hartpool Hartley Pool Rather Monkey episode recently, UM, 490 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: I was reminded of the story of Toho, the US 491 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: Air Force monkey who drank himself to death in Ireland 492 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: in ninety three. Woof not not familiar with this story, Ross, Uh, 493 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: he goes on. I first heard this tale on a 494 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: recent trip back to my homeland. The tale was recounted 495 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: by my friend John Fitzgerald, a host of dudecast check 496 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 1: it out at dudecast dot net. UM in his incredible 497 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: carry accent in a pub during a wake wow that's stacked, 498 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: all of which added to the feeling of a wind up, 499 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: meaning a like a practical joke or like messing around 500 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: with somebody. Sure Enough, though some cursory searches through a 501 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: results immediately beyond the headline. Though there's not a lot 502 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: of detail, and I'd love to hear the ridiculous history 503 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: slant on how Toho came to be in Ireland and 504 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: ultimately meet his demise. No doubt you and your intrepid 505 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: researchers will unearth more question Mark question Mark, question mar 506 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: question Mark Ross m of of of St Kilda. Thank 507 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: you so much for writing in Ross. I love that story. 508 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: I've got one that really stuck out to me and Uh, 509 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: i'd like to share this. I think you saw this 510 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: one as well, Noel. It is from Amanda D. Amanda 511 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: D says, Hi, guys, I recently listened to Clara the 512 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: World's most Famous Rhinoceros. Like your other episodes, I loved it. However, 513 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 1: I'm writing for another reason. I wanted to say this 514 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: one's about you, buddy. I wanted to say thank you 515 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: de Noel, understanding my fear of ostriches. I'm often ostri 516 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: sized for this by my family, all in fun, of course, Uh, 517 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: Amanda's spelled it correctly. I just think there's a great 518 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: pun there, my nephews finding particularly amusing. Let me take 519 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: you back in time. The details are a kind of 520 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: vague around why this happened, so bear with me here 521 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: I was in elementary school and the school was hosting 522 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: some sort of animal day with live animals for us 523 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: to see. I'm not sure why, but I went into 524 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: the equipment room in the gym only to be confronted 525 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: face to face within austrich is my literal worst nightmare. 526 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: Talk about a surprise. The thing was absolutely terrifying for 527 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: the little nine year old me. I hold onto that 528 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: fear to this day. Birds in general are creepy to be, 529 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: but ostriches stand in a whole other category. That's my 530 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: little story. I appreciate all your hard work and look 531 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: forward to more episodes until then. I'll keep listening to 532 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: the old episodes until I get to the end, and 533 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: then I guess I'll just have to listen again. Best 534 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: Amanda d Yeah, I don't even know how to respond 535 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: to that, other than the only thing scarier than an 536 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: ostrich to me is a castuary. You're familiar with these birds. 537 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: They also stand on two legs, and they apparently have 538 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: claws that they can disembow you with in one slice. 539 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: I think they are native to Australia or New Zealand. 540 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, I got no use in my life for 541 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: big muscular birds. With weird gangly necks. Uh and oh 542 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: my god, they also Papua New Guinea, Indonesia. I feel 543 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: I feel bad. I think I showed you a picture 544 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: of a cast were I'm sorry, don't mean it's interesting. 545 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: It's yeah, I went interesting to see me squirm. And 546 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: I also I just need you to be aware of that, 547 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: just in case I ever see one. Yeah, things got 548 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: pretty dicey. Case you were there one time when we 549 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: were in New York. Uh, we were exploring something. You 550 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: got shut down because Kanye West was doing an impromptu 551 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: fashion show. But you got you know, I could tell. 552 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: I could read the room. You got pretty uncomfortable when 553 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: the goals got too close. So it's trying to physically 554 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: get between you and the goals. I'm not tell you 555 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: that as I think the source of my ornophobia or phobia. 556 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, my grandpa took me to 557 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: the beach and he threw breadcrumbs every which where, and 558 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: my tiny little child body was swarmed by seagulls. And 559 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,239 Speaker 1: I just picture the perspective of being so small and 560 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: having these terrifying things co calling and coming down at 561 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: you from on high. Um. And I'm pretty sure that's 562 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: that's what started the whole, the whole thing for me, 563 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: and much like my frankly paralyzing fear of touching metal, 564 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: we can only hope that our personality works are are 565 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: at least amusing right our personal traumas are at least 566 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: amusing to all of us listening today. Thank you so 567 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. We know we didn't get to 568 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: spoiler all of the emails, Facebook messages, tweets and other correspondencies, 569 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: but we do like to check in and make this 570 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: what do you say, a semi regular thing. Yeah, I 571 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: would like to do that for sure, and I just 572 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: I only want to bring up one last one from 573 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: the Facebook group from Henry S because of the episode 574 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: we just recorded, uh that had some Gaelic pronunciations in it. Okay, guys, 575 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: you really must work on your Gaelic. It's guard not Guardia, 576 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: and Finian not Finian, which I'm pretty sure we butchered 577 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: similarly in the last episode we just recorded this very 578 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: afternoon on was it St. Columba? Yeah, but also St. 579 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: Finnian is how he said it in the entire episodes. 580 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: I believe it would be St. Finian Um, so hey, 581 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: Mia Colpa for that one in advance. Um otherwise great 582 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: episode on the Finian Invasion of Canada, and Cameron Z responded, 583 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: I absolutely couldn't listen to the episode because the pronunciation 584 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: was so broken as I learned about this in history 585 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: class that it broke my brain and I couldn't listen. 586 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: So hey again, always striving to do the best we can. 587 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: Gaelic is tough. Gaelic is tough. And that's just one 588 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: of the mini post on our Facebook group Ridiculous is 589 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: Warrians that we would love for you to check out. There, 590 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: you can run into our favorite part of the show, 591 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: you and your fellow listeners. They're not all roasting us 592 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: over mispronunciations, but we do appreciate every post like that 593 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: because it helps keep us honest and it makes the 594 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: show better. You can also find us on Instagram and Twitter, 595 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: both as a group and as individuals. I'm at Ben 596 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: Bowland on Instagram. You can find me at how Now 597 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: Noel Brown and if you want to get in on 598 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: that Facebook group action, all you gotta do is answer 599 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: a simple question of name. Someone tangentially even involved in 600 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History could be me, could be Ben, could be 601 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: super Producer Casey Pegram could be Christopher Haciotas, could be 602 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: Gay Lousier, could be a funny name from one of 603 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: the episodes. Anything to make us laugh, and you are 604 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: in like Flynn my Friends. Big thanks to Alex Williams 605 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: who composed our theme. Thanks to Christopher Hasciotas here in spirit. 606 00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: Thanks to the quizter also known as Jonathan Lynd. Thanks 607 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: to you, Noel. Thanks to our research associates Gabe and Ryan, 608 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: who we will spoiler alert maybe have on the show 609 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: pretty soon. And as always, thank you, thank you, thank 610 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: you to Cheryl Crowe love her. Let's see you next time. 611 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: For more podcasts for my Heart Radio, visit the I 612 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 613 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.