1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: What's up you guys. You are listening to the Velvet 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Edge podcast. I'm Kelly and I'm here with my really 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: good friend Mary Hilliard Harrington. Okay, I feel like this 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: is like I feel like it would be like the 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Unicorn of podcast, Like, do you ever do this kind 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: of stuff? No? Not really. I mean sometimes I get 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: has to do interviews, but I nobody get to sit 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: on the floor with tequila. And that's shocked to my friend. 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Actually when I have it kind of be some serious 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. I guess it is a 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: little bit of like a business. People want to know 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: what you do? You have an exciting life? Yeah, I do. 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: Yesterday when I posted that I was interviewing you do 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: you want to know the first message I got who 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: it was from? Oh God, Bobby Bones of the Bobby 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: Bones Show. Because so he host or he runs my 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: podcast network, the Nashville Podcast Network. He is also a 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: client of yours at Red Light Management, and he was like, 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: what she'll do your podcast? He was so shocked. Well, 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: because you know what happened is he like came to 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: me and honestly, like I don't know if I knew 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: at the time that it was right against the deadline, 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: but he basically, well, yeah, I guess I did. He 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: came to me and said, hey, will you write a 25 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: part of your story from my book that I'm about, 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: which is actually like out right now about this week, 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: came out this week, and he goes, will you write 28 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: something from my book? It's due like on Tuesday. And 29 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: it was like and it was like a really important thing, 30 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: like tell me what your greatest failure was that question? Well, no, 31 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: you you can, but I don't want to answer it 32 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: because I was like, I gott to have so many 33 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: cannot think of like this one amazing failure. And he 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: also like told me about like the governor of Arkansas 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: or someone like that who had had like this, you know, 36 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: lost a race and ended up coming back and this 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: whole story. I'm like, I don't have anything like that. 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm totally gonna let you down. So I passed one 39 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,279 Speaker 1: being in his book and now you're on the velvet 40 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: and podcast. But I'm really just using you as a 41 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: stepping stone to get to Bobby's podcast, the Bobby Cast 42 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: The Bobby Caste because I love it. I listen to 43 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: it all the time. So this is like a practice podcast. 44 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: You're basically practice. You're good to know BA do that 45 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: with friends? Right, Yeah, this is good. This boy led 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: his guest drink tequila and sit on the floor. No, 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: it's seriously doubted, right right, So this one will be 48 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: more fun at least. Okay, So let's talk about what 49 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: you do, because I want to tell people kind of 50 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: a little bit about your job. So you're a manager 51 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: at Red Light Management, which is like the biggest management 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: firm in Nashville, which it's pretty big. I mean it's 53 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: definitely big, big in size, and we have a lot 54 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: of amazing artists and well, you personally represent Dark Spentley, 55 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons we know each other 56 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: because I do hear and makeup, well grooming, you want 57 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: to say makeup. He loves it, totally loves it. When 58 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: he's somewhere really have profile and you walk out with 59 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: like your brush to power power in front of a 60 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: bunch of people. That's just like favorite thing in life. 61 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: It's all guys that I work with their favorite for sure. 62 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: It kind of definitely would be clear. You definitely do 63 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: his makeup. So you have Dirk s Bidley lanc Aubrey 64 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: Sellers Tucker Bethard, Kaylee Hammock, and then most recently El Kaye. Yeah, 65 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: that's like a new, totally new world for you. I 66 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: know it is. How is that the pop world? It's 67 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: really good. I mean, I'm just kind of getting into it. 68 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: But you know, she and I've known each other for 69 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: a really long time and we're already friends, so it 70 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: feels supernatural. And the new record she's made it's really rock. 71 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like super alternative sounding. And um, you know, 72 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: all of the artists that I work with are like 73 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: true artists. They're are singers. They don't just like recorded 74 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: the next song that is being pitched around music row 75 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: and so um, and she's one of She's one of those, 76 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: and she has something to say, and you know, she's 77 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: full of life and she's amazing. She's one of my 78 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: favorite people, not even just like her art and her music, 79 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: like offstage, she's amazing. And that's how I feel about 80 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: all the people I work with. Yeah, I've heard you 81 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: describe her as like the last true rocks. Are one 82 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: of She's like one of the last true female rock stars. 83 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: It's like, if you there are not like a lot 84 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 1: of female rock stars left I don't know what happened 85 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: to them, or if they left and with the other formats, 86 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: or maybe they're in hip hop now I don't you 87 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean, like that whole rock and roll attitude, 88 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: but there aren't a lot of them left. And she 89 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: she has like an element of danger to her and 90 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: like the best possible way, you know what I mean. Yeah, 91 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: she's so I don't know what she's going to do next. Never, 92 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: she's very unpredictable. Okay, So I do think it's important 93 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: to talk about like the behind the scene the people. 94 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: Because we were in New York with Dirk's for the 95 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: album release of The Mountain and Annie, who is his stylist, 96 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: and I were asking him a question and he goes, 97 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, We're gonna have to ask the boss, 98 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: and we were like, he's referring to you. And I 99 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: think people would think that's so funny that, like Dirk's 100 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: who is the celebrity would be like, let's go ask 101 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: the boss. I don't know the answer this question, but 102 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: can you kind of tell people, like, what's the main 103 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: thing a manager does because you are running the show 104 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: a lot of the time. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, 105 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: I think like the best analogy for it is I guess, 106 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: like I mean, in Dirk's world, you know, we only 107 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: use like airplane analogies, so probably like that. Yeah, so 108 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: it's probably like you know, the flight planner and air 109 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: traffic controller, you know what I mean. It's like kind 110 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: of you're kind of like, you know, so are you 111 00:05:52,839 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: he's the flat planner, You're he's the pilot? Okay, No, 112 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, Like, it's kind of 113 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: like you obviously have to plan out and have a 114 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: strategy for the artists and what they want to accomplish 115 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: and what their goals are, and and it's a lot 116 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: of incoming things too, and just kind of like managing 117 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: all of the other people around you because the team 118 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: is big, right, I mean, if I think about Dirks, 119 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: it's like there's clearly Dirks and the band and the crew, 120 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: which is a lot of people, like how many something 121 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: people probably we have on the road if all the time, right, 122 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: And then there's the part that makes the music and 123 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: the songwriters and the producers and you know all that, 124 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: and then the publicity team and the agents and the 125 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: business managers and the attorney and you know, the digital team, 126 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: and it's just a lot of fucking people that are all, 127 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, contributing and so important to the big picture. 128 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: But it's just kind of being at the center of 129 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: all of that and making sure it. Yeah, and then 130 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: I just said it's like not just running smoothly, but 131 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: that everyone's like running the same to direction all the time, 132 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: like towards a bigger goal. And you have to be 133 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: the one with the artists to kind of set what 134 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: that goal is. And so I kind of probably rain 135 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: them in because I feel like a lot of artists 136 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: are such creatives they have a hard time staying out 137 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: of their head or like really seeing the bigger picture 138 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: all the time, like a lot of it's wrapped up 139 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: in the music or the art part of the whole thing. Yeah, 140 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's um, Yeah, it's no secret that artists 141 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: can get in their head. Um. And you're also like 142 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: a therapist and yeah, a lot of therapy. Yeah. I 143 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: absorb a lot, I think from artists about whatever their 144 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: problems are, and and being a problem solver is such 145 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: a big piece of that, and not even just for 146 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: the artists themselves, but for all these other people around us, 147 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, like being patient and which is not necessarily 148 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: my strong, strongest quality, but I have to work at 149 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: it because I have to be patient for everybody else, 150 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, and just absorbing like whatever their issues are 151 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: and trying to help them through that. That's a big 152 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, Because I was going to ask you, 153 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: what do you think makes a good manager? But that's 154 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: problem solving is probably one of the main things. Problem 155 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: solving is the number one thing. Yeah, what do you 156 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: think like? I don't think you could actually say what 157 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: a typical day looks like because I feel like every 158 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: day for you is so different. Is there anything consistent 159 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: for each of your days? No, there's not. I mean 160 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think there's one consistent thing. I um, 161 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, I trying to be a really good mom 162 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: on top of the word yeah and so um, the 163 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, the sort of the one consistent thing is 164 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: like the constant struggle to balance that and make sure 165 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: that I start my mornings at home and that I 166 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: get you know, Tom with Scarlett and then get on 167 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: with my day and then get home so that I 168 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: get Tom at night and Tom management and you know, 169 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: making sure that all of that is cover is probably 170 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: the most important thing to me that needs to happen 171 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: every single day. Do you ever have time for yourself? 172 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god? So no, the lays, Oh my god, 173 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: the lake. The lake. The lake was this weekend was 174 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: really fun, but like like yesterday morning, I was like 175 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: kind of late to a meeting and I went to 176 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: jump in the shower, and um, Dominique, who stays with 177 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: Scarlett during the day, was not here yet, and so 178 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: I kind of left her like watching TV or whatever 179 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: while I went to jump in the shower. And I'm 180 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: like finally ten minutes to myself, and I've got shampoo 181 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: in my hair, and I'm like, have my odds closed 182 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: because I'm looking back to like wash the shampoo out 183 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: of my hair, and literally Scarlett has stripped off all 184 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: of her clothes and she is standing in the shower 185 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: with her face against my ass, and I was like, 186 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm not even here, cannot please just get tenders to myself, 187 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: And of course, like you're like, oh my god, this 188 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: is kind of cute, but it's like, no, you're not 189 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: gonna get your high. So then you go from that 190 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: kid to like all the other babysitting all day at 191 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: where Wow, it's a lot. Um I did so yesterday. 192 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: I asked a bunch of questions about you on Velvet's Edge, 193 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: just because I like to know what people want to 194 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: know from you. And one of the main things I 195 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: got was Donald Trump, but we'll get to him later. 196 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: But one of the other things was, just like, you're 197 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: a woman in this world that honestly used to be 198 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: occupied pretty much by men, and you've kind of put 199 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: yourself into this power position in the Nashville music industry. 200 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? You're making big eyes at 201 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: me right now. I mean, it feels so weird, and 202 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: I think that's part Like when you say like a 203 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: power position, it kind of freaks me out because I'm 204 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: not terribly comfortable with that, and I think that why, well, 205 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: I think maybe because it is that I'm a woman 206 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: and like we're almost we haven't been like conditioned the way, 207 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Right, Like, when I moved to Nashville, 208 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: there were zero female managers, I mean not one. Like 209 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: the only female manager that I really knew was Marian 210 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: that manages Miranda, That manages Miranda, and at the time, 211 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: she managed the Dixie Chicks, and like Mary J. Blash 212 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: and all these other people, she was in l A. 213 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: Wasn't even physically in Nashville. Yeah, always um she laughs. 214 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: Would always refer her as the O G because that's 215 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: like all that we had, and so we didn't it 216 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: just didn't exist, you know what I mean. So when 217 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: you talk about like being a power player, I'm like, 218 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how that feels. But I think it's 219 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: just because we're not used to that. Men are like 220 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: walking to the room with all this fag and they're like, 221 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: look at me, I'm a badass, and women just don't 222 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: do that, and I don't. I don't know all the reasons, 223 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: but that's you know, have you felt that, like as 224 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: you've grown in this business, have you felt like you've 225 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: bumped up against that mentality a lot? And just like 226 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: like even you know how they say a man could 227 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: say one thing, they could say a phrase, and then 228 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: a woman could say the same exact thing, and it's 229 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: like the woman looks like a bit and the man 230 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: it's just like nobody even that's an eye, it's like 231 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: the normal thing. Do you bump up against that a lot? Um? Well, 232 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: first of all, I don't know what people say behind 233 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: my back. Good point. However, I just found out like, 234 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: and this is true I think with artists too, in 235 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: the way that you talk to them. But I think 236 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: people just really appreciate a direct nous, especially in the 237 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: music business, because there's so many like egos and everyone's 238 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: like positioning for something, and like no one wants to 239 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: give bad news in Nashville too, Like it's like that 240 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: whole like bless your heart kind of thing, but no 241 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,479 Speaker 1: one will just like tell you what's up. And I 242 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: have never been able to be indirect, like I just 243 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, can we just cut to the ship, 244 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: cut through the ship, and like talk about the real 245 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: stuff here. And so I think people appreciate that. When 246 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: I walk away, they may be like, damn, she's a bit, 247 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: but I really don't care because I'm just wired that way, 248 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You think it's more of 249 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: the truth telling of it. Also, don't you. I feel like, 250 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: because you've had to deliver some not so fun news 251 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: to me before, like just as like a boss or 252 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, will you hire me so, 253 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: um client, whatever you want to call it um, And 254 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: you've delivered news to me before, and I haven't ever 255 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: walked away feeling like you delivered in a kind way still, 256 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: and maybe that's part of what you're saying, but it's 257 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: direct and now you're not bullshitting me. But it's also 258 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: not like you piece of ship like you're You're just 259 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: saying the truth in a kind way. I think people 260 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: like when they hear the truth, then they can react 261 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: in a real way and like take control of it 262 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: much faster versus like getting a bunch of flowery bullshit 263 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: around it, you know what I mean. Like, of course, 264 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt your feelings if I'm having 265 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: to tell you bad news, but I also like I 266 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: kind of just break it down for you or if 267 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to help yourself, you know 268 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: what I mean? And I I've had to mean people 269 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: who had to give me really bad news before, and 270 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: I just appreciate when people lay it on me, you know. Yeah, 271 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: So do you as far as like the woman in business? 272 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you sounded like you really don't even think 273 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: about it, But do you feel at all like you're 274 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: a part because I know you hire a lot of 275 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,479 Speaker 1: girls now too and kind of put them in positions 276 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: like what happened at the green room when Ton and 277 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: Christie brought you up and we'll talk about that a 278 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: little more later, But um, I think you put girls 279 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: in positions to succeed and to kind of get these 280 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: power positions, Like do you feel like you're a part 281 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: of this bigger movement? You know what? I like? It's 282 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: so funny. I did not feel that way until like 283 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: the whole METO thing and people started putting me there. 284 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Like now all of 285 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: the articles and Billboard and I just said when yesterday 286 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: for his Daily double, it's like all about female managers 287 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: and you know, being a leading female and all of 288 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: this stuff in Nashville, And I didn't never put myself there. 289 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: It's like the rest of the country was caught up 290 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: and now they're putting us there. If that means I 291 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: hadn't really thought about myself that way. I just thought 292 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: about myself like I'm gonna put my head down to 293 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: work and figured this out and learn to be better 294 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: and try and be really good at my job. And 295 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: I didn't think about the whole male versus female thing. 296 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: I just didn't really And at the green room, which um, 297 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: people probably don't know what that is that are listening, 298 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: but it is a publicity company that I started and 299 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: um when I first moved to Nashville and grew, and 300 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: you know, I have now moved on from that. But yeah, 301 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the people I hired were girls. But Kelly, 302 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: when I tell you, I searched everywhere for dudes that 303 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: I got higher. We our office needed some testosterone, you know, 304 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: because you put a bunch of girls in a room 305 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: together and like stressful situations and on deadlines and all 306 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: those things, Like, we needed some men in there. I 307 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: looked everywhere, and I couldn't find one that was worth 308 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: a ship, honestly, honestly, And maybe that's the nature of 309 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: what like a publicity job is, or aren't as many 310 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: like men in that field, Like it is pretty much 311 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: a predominantly um female driven business. But I just can't 312 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: find any. And so I got used to like hiring 313 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: these girls and then kind of like helping them grow 314 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: and succeed. And I mean, I would say that that's 315 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: probably that in retrospect now, I didn't realize that as 316 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: it was happening, But in retrospect now, that's probably one 317 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: of the things I'm most proud about, like in my 318 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: entire career is being able to like help all the 319 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: like women and girls around me. So it's kind of unintentional. 320 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: You basically just started working really hard, never setting out 321 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: necessarily to be a top power players, just calling me that. 322 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: I like to call you that because I see it 323 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: making you uncomfortable. You are the top power player in 324 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: NA show. So what would you say? I think, I 325 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: think I see it all the time. I see what 326 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: you do girls, and I think that you're just a 327 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: good example of a strong woman. So it kind of 328 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: reflects around you. But is there any advice you which 329 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: gives to a young girl starting like in the music 330 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: business or any business really? Um, well, and I've said 331 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: this before, but I feel like, could you guys just 332 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: get a little thick skin because everybody is so fucking sensitive. 333 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the music business. I mean, you 334 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: have to be with people, you have to be comfortable 335 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: with people, like you know, this is not the most 336 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: pc business that we work in, So you need to 337 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: have a little thick skin. And um, I think that's 338 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: really important. And I think this is gonna sound really 339 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: mean and probably kind of bitchy, but like, there actually 340 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: are some stupid questions, you know what I mean, Like 341 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: to think before you say no, not even that like there, 342 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: it's like go see if you can figure it out 343 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: on her own before you ask people and take up 344 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: other people's time with it. Like like there was this 345 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: girl who got put at my desk at the office 346 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: when my assistant was out of town, just like to 347 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: answer the phone or whatever which was you know. She 348 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: was like young and just an interim, you know. But 349 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: one day I was like, Hey, I need the number 350 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: to the c m A, the Country Music Association, And 351 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: like I just kind of like I was just like 352 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: looking for the main number. Well, what would you do 353 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: if you didn't know what it was? Like, what do 354 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: you mean? I would google it? Right, we have a 355 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: lot of access to she goes. She goes, well where 356 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: would I find that? Oh my god? I literally you 357 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: need to get your purse and you need to get 358 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: and you need to march back up to the front 359 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: desk and find a new position because I'm like I 360 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: don't want that is just like you know, when you 361 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: just asked me, I was like, oh my god, is 362 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: this a trick question? Like this is too easy? I 363 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: can't am I about to look so stupid. I think 364 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: it's like there are some like stupid questions like be 365 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: a self starter, go figure it out, put your head 366 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: down and do what I did, which is like just work. 367 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: Have you ever encountered, like anything just so sexist that 368 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: you couldn't even deal? I mean, it happens all the 369 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: What do you do? Though? I feel like you would 370 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: just put someone back in their place, laugh at it. 371 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: It's so stupid. It's just so stupid, especially today, like 372 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: three years ago, even you know, before everyone was like 373 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: me doing and shagging and all that. You just made 374 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like even before people were 375 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: truly paying attention to it in a big way, like 376 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: it just is so stupid. Yeah, it's a little over 377 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: the top. Probably. Yeah, Okay, I really want to get 378 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: into your earlier career because, as I said, a lot 379 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: of people had questioned about this when I mentioned that 380 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: you worked for Donald Trump. I mean, this was funny 381 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: to me you before he was president, and now some 382 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: of the stories you tell me, I'm like, that did 383 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: not happen. There is no freaking way. Okay, Well, just 384 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: to preface all of those legs, yeah, I could feel 385 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: like I kind of have to because it was such 386 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: a different world, like you know, well, when I worked 387 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 1: for him, clearly there were no politics, even like in 388 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: the long term plan like that. It just wasn't their businessman. 389 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: He was a businessman and I only worked on entertainment 390 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: related stuff for him, So I wasn't even like around 391 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: people who did real estate or you know, all the 392 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: like financial stuff that he deals with, Like I just 393 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't part of that, you know. So what did 394 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: you do for him? Because publicity? So you basically you 395 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: went to college. You got a PR degree? Right or no? Yeah, 396 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: no I did. I went to Alabama, which we can 397 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: talk about later because well I went to to not 398 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: be upset and of course that I'm still upset about Nick, say, 399 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: but that Phil betrayed and I still have a crush 400 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: on him, so it's a weird feeling him. I mean, 401 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't you totally. My mom's gonna listen to this. Um. 402 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: But you went to a belt, yes, the worst belt. 403 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: I mean, you can redress somebody, though, that's what I 404 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: do for a living. God, do you think we could 405 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: do a Nick Saban makeover on the dot com? That 406 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: would be a dream job for me. I mean, he's 407 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: like the silver Fox, but the silver Box doesn't have 408 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: because he's coloring. His personality is silver fox. This is 409 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: such a badass. That is a badass. That is like 410 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: is a bad as Anyway, I agree. I don't know 411 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: how many of your readers or listeners are from the South. 412 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, anyone from the right, anyone from the south. 413 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: You know what, I got something. Anyone from the South 414 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: knows who Nick Saban is. And if you don't google it, 415 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: how about that? Um? But she went to Alabama pr 416 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: degree and then you just up and moved to New York. Yeah, 417 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: I mean I did some internships before that, and then 418 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: I just picked up and moved. I did. I went 419 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: there was at the time, you know, there was no 420 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: like Craigslist. Even I literally went on a site called 421 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: roommates dot Com. I got a roommate and this girl 422 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: was like this like East Village club kid, you know, 423 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: And I have just moved into the East Village in 424 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 1: the shitty little department murdered. I definitely could have been 425 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: murdered in this department I was living. And when I 426 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: first moved there, you know, And yeah, and I just 427 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: moved there and I worked some publicity jobs. I worked 428 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: in fashion at a fashion publicity company for a little 429 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: bit and hated it. Why because everyone is so shallow 430 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: and so judge, and it was like just not my scene, 431 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: you know, like it's just also surfacing and just I 432 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: don't know, it's just not my scene. I don't know. 433 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: And so that I, um, yeah, I took a job 434 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: and ended up going and working for Donald Trump and 435 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: I did like universe and yeah, I know. And then 436 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, while I was there, he started joining The 437 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: Apprentice and like it was just like, I mean there 438 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: was a lot in the entertainment space going on with him. 439 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: And I's a publicity, so like what is a day 440 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: to day like with Donald Trump? I mean, I can't 441 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: even processfully. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't have to 442 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: like deal with him every single day and it wasn't 443 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,239 Speaker 1: like that. But it was a lot of travel, you know, 444 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: with him, and there I mean similar. I mean, I 445 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: think in my life I've never had a job where 446 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: any day was ever the same as the one before it. So, um, 447 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: you know, he's super smart. I was gonna say, is 448 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: there stuff about him that you learned and that you 449 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: really respect? I respect. It's so hard because what people 450 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: know of him now is not how I knew him 451 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: like he was. He is the same person. Like I 452 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: see things and I'm like, oh, yeah, he definitely said that. 453 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: That's exactly how he would say it. They are not 454 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: misquoting him. He definitely you know, all of these mannerisms 455 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: and some of the things he would he says like 456 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: about how like huge and tremendous and all of those 457 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: things that he says. He's always been that way, right, 458 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: But learned so much from him, and he is one 459 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: of those bosses who really pushes you in what way, Um, 460 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: he just expects greatness. It's almost unsaid. It's the most 461 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: It's the strangest thing, but that is it's like a 462 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: vibe that has put out, like what would happen if 463 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: you had asked him a dumb question. I never went 464 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: out like when I walked into his office or had 465 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: a phone conversation with him, I have not shipped together 466 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: like there was no yo. Yeah. And it's interesting because 467 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: you see people or read about it or watch the 468 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: news and you hear people talking about like how he 469 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: takes opinions from like a lot of different sources and 470 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: then he makes his own opinion. And the one thing 471 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: that I learned from him which I think is carried 472 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: on through the rest of my career, is like, always 473 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: speak your opinion, because in that world it really mattered, 474 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: like it counted. If he asked you what you thought 475 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: about something, he was really listening to you because he 476 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: does that. He still does that, and you had to 477 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: be prepared to like say it and say it in 478 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: a way that was like super direct and also um, 479 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, with confidence, I guess. And so that is 480 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: something that has definitely like taking taken me forward. I 481 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: learned that from him because that's what he needed. And 482 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: I actually got like so much more respect from him 483 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: because I was like, and if he asked me something 484 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: and I would be like, no, I think that's a 485 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: terrible idea, he was like, oh damn, okay, and he 486 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: probably put weight to his decision. He did. Yeah. He 487 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: didn't ever say to anyone like that, that's a terrible idea. Oh, 488 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: I mean he would tell you if you like you, 489 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: oh yeah, he'd be like, well that's terrible, I'm not 490 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: ever going to do that. I'm going to do this, 491 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: you know, and that's okay. Yeah. Yeah. It was more 492 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: of a respect thing of like being able to speak 493 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: your mind. Yeah you said you traveled a lot with Donald. 494 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: You've teld me some funny stories. Oh boy, will you 495 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: tell the people the steam room stories? God, Kelly, can 496 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: you talk about it? I mean, I mean it's more embarrassing. 497 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: It's like almost more embarrassing for me, Like I don't 498 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: make it. This is when I'm going to start getting 499 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: watch it actually are a little bit. Um. So, we 500 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: were in Berlin for some sort of travel conference and 501 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: I don't exactly know, but it was like a hotel 502 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: thing and he was being honored for like having a 503 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, a tremendous, great, I mean huge hotel someplace, 504 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,479 Speaker 1: and um, it was actually the one thing I remember 505 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: about it was it was we were in the same 506 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: hotel that Michael Jackson dangled the baby off of the 507 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: off the balcony er that. But yeah, I mean it 508 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: was like such huge news at the time. You know, 509 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: it was like after that some time, and um, you 510 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: know it's Germany, and like I don't speak German, and 511 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: were certainly can't read German and everything just a little confusing, 512 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, signs and that kind of stuff. And um, 513 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: we had the morning off and I had gone to 514 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: the spa in the hotel, which was in the basement. 515 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: I specifically remember it band downstairs in the basement, and 516 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: I went down and I went in like like the 517 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: gym and the locker room and all that stuff, and 518 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I think I'll go in the 519 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: steam room like this, you know, the song or whatever. 520 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: And I went in and there was another woman in there, 521 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: so I knew I was in the right place. And 522 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: I was like just having a nice leisure morning, totally 523 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: jet lacked. It was amazing. And all of a sudden, 524 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: the door swings open and through like the biggest like 525 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: cloud of steam. I see, let's see Donald dropped walking 526 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: into the steam room with me. I'm obviously in a towel, 527 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: thank god it was And there were like two benches, 528 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, it was like tiled or whatever, so it 529 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: was slippery and like my favorite mega song, And there 530 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: were like two benches, and I was on the top one, 531 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: like the top bench getting the full of you, getting 532 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: the full view, and I like very carefully wrapped myself 533 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: up in my towel, and I like, I physically I'm 534 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: doing it right now, Like I remember like sucking my 535 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: stomach and like trying to make myself as small as 536 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: possible as small as possible, because I like backed us 537 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: off all the way up against the wall, like sucking in, 538 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: and I'm like sliding down a guy at the wall 539 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: of the back wall, trying to get out in like 540 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: full panic mode like if you I don't know if 541 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: you did or not, I don't know. I was like 542 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: trying to move so carefully and gracefully and not slip 543 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: on the web tile to get the fun out of there. 544 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: I definitely did, Like you just got confused between like 545 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: what the men's and the women's was. Were you clothed 546 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: when he walked in? No, my god, he's like unintentionally, 547 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: I know that is not somewhere you want to be 548 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: with your boss. That is so awkward, Like I don't 549 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: even your words right now, because I've heard this story 550 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: and I still get stressed out, like it was so awkward. 551 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: Because then for the rest of the day, I was 552 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: just like had so much anxiety about having to see 553 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: him later because I was so great, Like this is 554 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: so awkward. And then we went to this big dinner 555 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, this big fancy dinner, all 556 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: these like rich people, and I had so much anxiety 557 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: about the whole thing. And then he must not have 558 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: seen me because or at least he acted like it 559 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: hadn't been a thing. Yeah, it was literally freaking out 560 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: all day. So after you like, what made you want 561 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: to leave working for Donald I'll leave New York and 562 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: all of that. Yeah. So, Um, I had gotten married 563 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: to Ryan, and I mean and we had kind of 564 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: a crazy lifestyle in New York. Your mom's listening, right, 565 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: she turned out yet and um, and like, so we 566 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: basically were working crazy hours and then partying until like 567 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: six in the morning and going back to and then 568 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: going right back to work and living I think in 569 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: one room on top of each other. And it was 570 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: just like life is hard there after you've reached a 571 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: certain point. And so we kind of randomly picked Nashville 572 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: and picked up and moved. Did you know you wanted 573 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: to work in music or that wasting? Yeah? And I 574 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: mean there was no other like entertainment based stuff here 575 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: without this country music. And I didn't even really listen 576 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: to it, you know. I mean I did when I 577 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: was growing up, but I didn't in New York. Yeah, 578 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, And so I just kind of had to 579 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: like figure it out, and country music was the option 580 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: you worked for somebody when you first moved here, right, 581 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: I did. I worked for another publicist for about six 582 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: months when I first moved and you just started green Yeah. 583 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: It took it took me like about six months to 584 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: realize that. I probably just from my time in New 585 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: York and the pace that that moves. You know, that 586 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: city is like run bout twentysomething's real, you know what 587 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, it's like a really young, active, energetic city. 588 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: And I had gotten what I felt like was fifteen 589 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: years of experience in seven, you know, and so um, 590 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,479 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, this isn't for me. I'm not 591 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: gonna like carry the way, eat in the ball here 592 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: for somebody else's company. And so I took off and 593 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: started my own thing. And at the time I had UM, 594 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: I had just sawn Jason al Dean. He was brand new. 595 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: He was your first, right he and Dirks I mean 596 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: we're coming at the same time. Yeah, And that was it. 597 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: And then I just put my head down and worked. 598 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: And then now green Room, I mean you kind of 599 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: like went over this really fast earlier. Green Room is huge. 600 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: That the roster is Jason al Dean Tucker about Dirk 601 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: Spenley Lady A, Rascal Flats, Kit Moore, Thomas Threat, Bobby Bones, 602 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: Bailey Brown, Brett Young, all these festivals, Lake Shake, Faster Horses, 603 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: Watershed Toward Tuga and Route ninety one. That's huge, Yeah, 604 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: I mean that is a huge company. But you so 605 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: you sold majority steak in it? Yeah, what made you 606 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: decide this is? I'm done? Well? So I had been 607 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: doing it for like, right, I think either none or 608 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: ten years, And it started with Baby Acts, you know, 609 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: Dirts and Jason than Lady A and all these people, 610 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: and I felt really felt like I had done what 611 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: I could do for them in that job. Like you know, Jason, 612 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: The first time I ever saw Jason play was at 613 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: a really shitty bar that you and I've had drinks 614 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: that I'll buy the operation called the Nashville Palace where 615 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 1: drinks with Jason the bar recently, but that was like 616 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: the first place I ever saw him. And you know, 617 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: when I left, he was playing stadiums. It's like, what 618 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: am I going to do for you now? There? Like 619 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: what are we going to do here? And I saw 620 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: like a real opportunity to make a switch into management. 621 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: And I was already managing dirks, you know, and so 622 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: it felt really natural. And you know, for better or worse, 623 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: I hadn't I just really wasn't that scared. I just 624 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: kind of took a leap and when I did it, 625 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: and now I'm starting over again with a bunch of 626 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: baby artists. But that's what's so exciting to me, Like 627 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: I I love helping them figure their thing out and 628 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: their journey. Yeah, growing it. So you're happy, you made 629 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: the amaze so happy? Do you know what's next? You're 630 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: gonna stay in management forever? What do you think? Oh? God, 631 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: like like asking me to write a chapter in your book? 632 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like that's next. Yeah, I'm going to 633 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: say in management. I would really like it. I mean 634 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: it's probably. It's super gratifying, and I have amazing people 635 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: around me, and my artists are the best you do. 636 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 1: They're really good people, you know, and in some anybody 637 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: who works in the music business will tell you that, 638 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: like the teams around you really become your family because 639 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: it's like a twenty four our gig and there's a 640 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: lot of travel and weird hours and so this is 641 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: like my family. No, I can't imagine doing anything different. God, 642 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do if you moved on. 643 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: I mean I would if a really great like I mean, 644 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: I would try some other things to in addition to 645 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: me anishment, um, if something really cool came along. But 646 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm happy. Okay, So just to wrap it up, I 647 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: have a couple of rapid fire questions that I thought 648 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: would be kind of funny. Well not funny. Some of 649 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: them are serious. They're just stuff I'm curious about. Um, 650 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 1: what are your muss like that you expect from any artists? 651 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: Because you probably have to have some prerequisites too. Write well. 652 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: Definitely hardworking. I mean everybody that I am looking enough 653 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: to work with is super focused and hardworking, and like, 654 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: I'll work really hard and I don't want to be 655 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: the one like dragging you and carrying it exactly. So 656 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: that is, are there artists who don't? Yeah, I guess 657 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm just surrounded by artists who do work really hard. 658 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I know there are a lot that like 659 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: really kind of phone it in for sure. I don't 660 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: think people realize how much work goes into Um, do 661 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: you have like a top moment or milestone so far 662 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,439 Speaker 1: in your career that you were just like I think 663 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 1: you feel like you've made it or you had made 664 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: it to another level? What was it if so, I don't, 665 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: I feel like maybe I'll always feel like I haven't 666 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: made it. Really, I don't know why. I think it's 667 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: like a personality thing or like I am, I'm really competitive, 668 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: so there's always something else I want to do or 669 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: conquer or beat or whatever and um. But at the 670 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: same time, like there are little moments that happen every 671 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: day that I get so excited about. But a lot 672 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: of them are like for my artists, not necessarily for me, 673 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: because my career is based on theirs, right, and I 674 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: only do as well as they do. That's how this 675 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: part of the business goes. So anytime something awesome happens 676 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: for them, I'm like so gratified by So it's not 677 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: being on the v podcast, you know, I'm just working 678 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: to get on bobbies damn. But I am really flattered 679 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: than I want to talk to me. Okay, I actually 680 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: already know that answer this question. But I think it's 681 00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: funny for our listeners here abountains frants. Thank God. I 682 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: mean we should anyone who wants to know more about 683 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: Mary and the Donald Trump days to google Mary Hilliard 684 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: McMillan that was your maiden name, Miss France? Do yourself 685 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: a favorite in Google it? Okay? Last question, are there 686 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: any artists that you would love to represent but don't yet? 687 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: You know who it is? I know, I want you 688 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: to say it fifty cents and tell people why. I 689 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: don't know. I just why though, really, why don't I 690 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: love him? I love him? I don't know why I 691 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: love him? And I have so much respect for him 692 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 1: and why I don't know? He said? I mean, well, 693 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: I just think about like every like I don't know 694 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: how many people know his story, you know, but he 695 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: like really had to fight through some ship to have 696 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: the success shot or something. Yeah, and like now the man, Yeah, 697 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: how smart is he? And no, I just have so 698 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: much for fact for that And I mean, well, really 699 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: I really want to hip hop clients, really do. And 700 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: I really really really If you're listening, Curtis, I really 701 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: want me goes megs would be like my dream clients. 702 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I feel like that's the note to 703 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: end one me go snifty cent. If you're listening, Um, 704 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: I can't stop now. Okay, I love you so much. 705 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for asking, I mean seriously, thanks for doing it. 706 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: Bobby's gonna be so jealous. Another drink? All right, thank 707 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: you guys for listening. I'll have a blog up with 708 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 1: Mary Hilliard Harrington next week on lvisa dot com. Check 709 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: it out. Bye.