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Speaker 2: hell went on this weekend? It's crazy take off one day,

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Speaker 2: should all be taken off work today. It should be

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Speaker 2: a federal holiday. I tootah and forty of his top officials.

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Speaker 2: I just that is terrific. I you know, he got

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Speaker 2: been there I think since nineteen eighty nine, so that's

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Speaker 2: thirty seven years a terrorism from this guy. And he

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Speaker 2: this is great. I can't imagine anybody criticizing this, this

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Speaker 2: least a few weeks, is does Iran and other terrorist

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Speaker 2: the Department of Homeland Security has been talking with law

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Speaker 2: enforcement officials around the country, and everybody has to keep

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Speaker 2: watch on suspicious activity. And of course, we did have

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Speaker 2: a mass shooting in Austin, Texas by someone who seemed

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Speaker 2: to be very sympathetic to the Iranian cause. We're going

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Speaker 2: retired and ABC News law enforcement contributor Don Mahalakan to

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Speaker 1: I'm good, John, And I just wanted to say You're

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Speaker 1: opening about the troops was excellent because there's a lot

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Speaker 1: making and we were overdue to do what we're doing

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Speaker 1: right now in Iran, and the Navy and the troops

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's true, but this really, this is something Jimmy

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Speaker 2: and a lot of work to go and things can

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Speaker 2: always go wrong. But I know, I know. The first

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Speaker 2: What's the plan here?

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Speaker 1: So Iran is the largest state sponsor of terror in

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Speaker 1: And they tend to attack soft targets, malls, shopping centers, bars,

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Speaker 2: So this is more likely to be a single person

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Speaker 1: As you pointed out so eloquently, they've taken out the

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Speaker 2: Right, So you really got to keep your eyes open

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Speaker 2: And this is a time to say the health all

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Speaker 2: took killed three people and he shot another fourteen, but easily,

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Speaker 2: like we saw it happened in Las Vegas years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of people just don't believe their eyes.

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Speaker 1: But I would say people have to stop doing that.

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Speaker 1: They have to immediately call nine one one. The police

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Speaker 1: they're there for. They don't mind coming. It helps everybody,

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Speaker 2: So in the Department of Homeland Security, they put the

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Speaker 1: So for the FBI and the federal agencies, it'll look

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Speaker 2: So it's the time they're going to follow up on

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other thing I just want to hit on, John,

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Speaker 1: They have a whole list by list countries showing where

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Speaker 2: All right, John Mahallack, thanks very much for coming on.

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Speaker 2: All right, law enforcement contributor for ABC and a retired

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Speaker 2: could just call this the deveror mark a summer vacation itinerary, right,

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Speaker 2: It got hit by a falling drone. Yes, I saw

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Speaker 2: We had Don Mahalakan telling us about the alert that

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Speaker 2: Department Homeland Security it's a critical incident alert because there's

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Speaker 2: all kinds of whack jobs out there in their basement

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Speaker 4: Has never been on my bucket list, believe it or not.

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Speaker 4: What kind of karma do.

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Speaker 2: I don't know? Because you were you know, you were there.

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Speaker 4: I was going to go to Egypt, Israel and.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sure, nobody else is. I was talking people, are

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Speaker 2: Do not go to Port of Iarda in May. All right,

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Speaker 2: Deborah is going to be there. We've given you the list.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that is except the last it was just the mosquitoes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a seven vacation losing. That's seven. That doesn't

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Speaker 2: heard the attorneys for the plaintiffs and the Pacific Palisades

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Speaker 2: We'ren from three to six now and then after six

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Speaker 2: o'clock John Cobelt's show on demand. All right, that's the

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Speaker 2: I want to get right into this. This is really important.

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Speaker 2: It's taken over a year, fourteen months to get the

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Speaker 7: And our orders were that we were going to have

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Speaker 3: I'm putting two and two together now, but that's what

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Speaker 7: A brush fire last night, we're going to pick up hopes.

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Speaker 3: Nothing obvious to me.

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Speaker 7: I looked around. There were no other firefighters, nobody. I

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Speaker 7: I noticed hot coals.

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Speaker 7: I could feel the heat coming off of it, and

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Speaker 3: In my mind, everything needs to be interested. So that's

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Speaker 3: how I approached him as like, hey, cap.

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Speaker 7: Skipper or whatever, we have hotspots, we have some ash

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Speaker 7: pits or whatever's been alert to double check the whole area,

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Speaker 7: and maybe we need to switch our tactics.

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Speaker 3: So that's all it was. It was a blanket attempt.

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Speaker 3: And if a captain can't pick that up.

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Speaker 7: From me saying that and make the right choices, that's

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Speaker 7: on him, because that's not my job to overstep and

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Speaker 7: tell him what to do. He earned that rank, so

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Speaker 7: that's how we work with chain and command. I understand

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Speaker 7: that I was the only one up there. I'm an

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Speaker 7: overtime guy. I'm not a captain. I don't make the

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Speaker 7: decisions on this. We're good soldiers, so I've been tasked

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Speaker 7: with picking up hosts. I'm like the house guest. I'm

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Speaker 7: not going to just tell people or try to micromanage

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Speaker 7: and give commands.

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Speaker 3: I'm not in charge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's a weakness, is that everybody's a trained

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Speaker 2: is trained not to confront or make a shine with

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Speaker 2: an idiot who's your boss? He had an idiot who's

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Speaker 2: the fire captain. I don't know who the name of

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Speaker 2: that person is at the moment, but here you want

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Speaker 2: to hear the lies that were told. Now you're at

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Speaker 2: Scott Pike, clearly hotspots and smoldering and smoking and crackling.

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Speaker 2: Kristin Crowley, the fire chief, said at a community meeting

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Speaker 2: on January sixteenth, we won't leave a fire that has

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Speaker 2: any hot spots. Well you did, Chief Deputy Joe Everett.

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Speaker 2: At the same meeting January sixteenth, the fire was dead out.

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Speaker 2: If it is determined that was the cause, that would

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Speaker 2: be a phenomenon. Chief Deputy Joe Everett, I guess we

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Speaker 2: have a phenomenon. I am Battalion Chief Mario Garcia. Firefighters

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Speaker 2: had told him about the smoldering ground in the hot rocks,

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Speaker 2: according to text messages that the Time saw from the

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Speaker 2: fire department, and they had texted Joe Everett, and they

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Speaker 2: also texted Chief Deputy Philip Flagel got ignored. Why why

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Speaker 2: this is basic firefighting? One oh one? If you or

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Speaker 2: I were standing there, we'd say, hey, that's still those

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Speaker 2: are hot coals. Hey, it's still smoking and smoldering here. Hey,

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Speaker 2: don't you have to put this out? Well? More coming up?

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Speaker 2: Got more clips to play more of Scott Pike.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM

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Speaker 5: six forty.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's continue here Los Angeles Fire Department firefighter

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Speaker 2: Scott Pike. We've been playing clips of his deposition that

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Speaker 2: he gave. There's that massive lawsuit from Palisades homeowners over

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Speaker 2: the fire. And in the last segment we he was

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Speaker 2: making it clear in several clips that there were plenty

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Speaker 2: of hotspots, plenty of smoking and smoldering. It was hot

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Speaker 2: to the Dutch. He would kick some of the debris

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Speaker 2: and rocks with his boots because his gloved hand wasn't

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Speaker 2: enough to protect himself from the from the heat. And

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Speaker 2: this next clip centers around a captain telling Scott Pike

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Speaker 2: and the other firefighters to roll up the hoses and

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Speaker 2: get out of there. Why did they not challenge the captain? More?

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Speaker 2: Play this clip? Four?

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Speaker 3: Did you ask.

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Speaker 7: The captain why he hadn't directed other firefighters to mop

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Speaker 7: up the area better as you put it.

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Speaker 3: No, because you don't question the captain.

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Speaker 7: I just went back to work picking up hoose awaiting

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Speaker 7: new orders.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever get new orders?

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Speaker 7: Sir?

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Speaker 3: And a lot of guys that were there that day.

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Speaker 7: It was the second so post holiday, I was already

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Speaker 7: working overtime because nobody else wanted to work it.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of people were like, let's just get

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Speaker 3: this hose picked up. That was the sentiment. I was feeling, like,

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Speaker 3: we have orders.

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Speaker 2: This is why I never work well with people often

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Speaker 2: you find out, certainly not here in this moment, but

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Speaker 2: I've worked for a lot of idiots and you have

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Speaker 2: to question them. You know, the smartest people don't get

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Speaker 2: to be in charge all the time. So you have

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Speaker 2: a captain and he's got visible smoldering and smoking going

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Speaker 2: on hot rocks, and the captain is saying, roll up

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Speaker 2: the hoses and get out of here. Now that doesn't

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Speaker 2: cut it. Well, he's a captain here in that rank.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can't question the captain. Those are exactly

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Speaker 2: the people you have to question because they're stupid and

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Speaker 2: they have power. That's a bad combination or they're lazy

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Speaker 2: and they have power, or they got some kind of

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Speaker 2: agenda that they're not telling. I cannot imagine why a captain,

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Speaker 2: if he's being told by his firefighters that hey, we've

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Speaker 2: got a bad hotspots smoldering situation here, he wouldn't say, well,

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Speaker 2: let's keep working at it until it's completely out. Why

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Speaker 2: would that be? What possible reason would there be? Here's

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Speaker 2: another clip. Scott Pike says it still way.

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Speaker 7: I haven't really spoken much on it because it kind

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Speaker 7: of sits heavy with me that nobody listened to me.

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Speaker 3: I felt like I got kind of blown off a

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Speaker 3: little bit, and.

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Speaker 7: I haven't seen anybody step up and take responsibility.

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Speaker 3: None of my leaders, none of the city leaders, nobody.

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Speaker 7: I saw something, I said something, and to my best ability,

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Speaker 7: I felt like we could have done more. It's not

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Speaker 7: the point in my career where there's a lot of

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Speaker 7: stuff that people don't listen to us. Okay, you can

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Speaker 7: probably see what's going on in the whole.

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Speaker 2: City, so well, that's the way of the world. People

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Speaker 2: had management often are not the brightest bulbs, and you

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Speaker 2: don't know why they do what they do. You don't

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Speaker 2: know why they're compromised that they've got something else going on,

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Speaker 2: or sometimes you just flat out stupid. Uh, let's go

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Speaker 2: to the next clip. Pike says he didn't see anybody

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Speaker 2: else putting out hotspots.

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Speaker 8: Did you ever see anyone else that day extinguishing any smokers?

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Speaker 8: You know, sir, in your experience, all of those are

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Speaker 8: couple of rekindling.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 8: The distance between the X where you saw those smokers

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Speaker 8: and where we see this yellow dot label Palisades fire origin.

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Speaker 8: Do you have any basis to give me any estimate

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Speaker 8: as to how far that is? Two to three hundred

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Speaker 8: feet and your experience, can an ember blow two to

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Speaker 8: three hundred feet?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, And yeah, that's a lot of what happened.

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Speaker 2: The embers started blowing much farther than that the night

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Speaker 2: of the second fire, the day of the second fire. Finally,

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Speaker 2: let's close out for now. Scott Pike never interviewed for

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Speaker 2: any after action report.

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Speaker 8: Did anybody ever come to interview you in connection with

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Speaker 8: an after action report for the Lockman fire?

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Speaker 3: Oh, sir, I thought that was kind of weird.

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Speaker 7: I feel like an accurate report would have involved interviewing

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Speaker 7: people who are actually on the scene that day. I'll

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Speaker 7: go ahead and say I saw some stuff that didn't

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Speaker 7: line up with what I saw coming out from my

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Speaker 7: leaders ATF.

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Speaker 3: This ATF report was seventy six pages long. Do you

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Speaker 3: know how many pages there was on the Lochman fire?

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Speaker 3: Do you know? Tell me one?

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Speaker 7: So here we sit in this room with all these

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Speaker 7: hundreds of thousand dollars and staffing and everything like that

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Speaker 7: right now, and what are we talking about the Lochman fire?

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Speaker 3: So we all know that the.

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Speaker 7: Investigation, interviews and everything could have been done better, right,

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Speaker 7: that's why we're all here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well who do we have? We have a bunch

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Speaker 2: of clowns running the fire department. Christian Crowley followed, well

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Speaker 2: what do we have? Heini Moore? Now? And in between

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Speaker 2: we had Vie Aueva. So we had three clowns in

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Speaker 2: a row and their job was to cover up and

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Speaker 2: lie for Karen Dash and they did. On the after

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Speaker 2: action report, nobody talked to Scott Pike. He what's what

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Speaker 2: the other firefighters? He didn't see other firefighters putting out

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Speaker 2: the hotspot are joining him to confront the captain. I

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Speaker 2: know it was New Year's weekend. Everybody wanted to go

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Speaker 2: home ball games to watch, but you sign up for this.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're told to think that you guys are sacrificing,

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Speaker 2: putting your lives in danger. Well, in the moment where

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Speaker 2: it mattered, nobody would pipe up and say no, we

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Speaker 2: shouldn't leave, And somebody should have made this public. Somebody

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Speaker 2: should have made it public in the moment and said, hey,

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Speaker 2: the hotspot is still going on because we were listening

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Speaker 2: to constant warnings about the dangerous winds and the dangerous fire,

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Speaker 2: and none of these firefighters spoke up, and none of

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Speaker 2: them would challenge the captain. And how dumb is the captain?

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Speaker 2: And how deceitful are all these fire chiefs that we've

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Speaker 2: run through. Ronnie Vow and a van Ueva and himI

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Speaker 2: Moore and Kristin Crowling. Nobody on our side, Nobody on

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Speaker 2: the side of the Palisades homeowners. Everybody just shut up

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Speaker 2: and they went home. Come back. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: with Carl Demyo, the Republican assemblyman. It looks like the

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