1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: Adrian Lee with us, founder of the International Paranormal Society 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: and a member of the Leutan Paranormal Society in England. 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: He has investigated ghosts at paranormal activity all over the 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: world for twenty five plus years. Lee first came to 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: Minnesota early in two thousand and eight to work on 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: several paranormal video productions and spent a couple of years 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: working in Minneapolis as the national and international news correspondent 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: for a live paranormal talk radio show on one hundred 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: point three KTLK. Lee produces and presents television shows on 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: scripted paranormal and currently lectures on all aspects of the paranormal, 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: including ghosts, UFOs, psychic development, and is a regular guest 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: speaker for moufan. His websites are linked up at Coast 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: TOCOASTAM dot com. Adrian, welcome back to the program. 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: How are you, good morning. I'm doing very well. Thank 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: you for inviting me on the show today. 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: How did you get involved in ghosts? 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's quite a long story. So I'll try and 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: keep it a little short. I had some experiences when 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: I was a small boy seeing my great grandmother haunting 22 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 3: my bedroom. When I was a kid, and my parents 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: are both scientists, I'm a constant disappointment to them both, 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: of course, And I said to my dad as a 25 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 3: small child, there's an old woman wandering around my room. 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: I think it's my great grandmother. And he gave me 27 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 3: a piece of advice that stuck with me throughout my career. 28 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: He said, she loved you. She wouldn't want to hurt 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: you or harm you in any way. And I went 30 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: to bed, thinking, yeah, he's absolutely right. My great grandmother's 31 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: not going to cause me any issue or any problems. 32 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 3: So I did have a moment of seeing the ghost 33 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: of my great grandmother there. It turns out that actually 34 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: gave me her deathbed. When I was a small child 35 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: and I needed an adult bed, she'd only just bought 36 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: a new bed, and when she died, they decided to 37 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: give me her bed. So that was the reason for that. 38 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: But then I became a historian, and I studied history 39 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: to the highest level, and it suddenly dawned on me 40 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: through doing research for several paranormal teams in London that 41 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: you can actually have a conversation with a ghost and 42 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 3: ask them what it was like back in the day. 43 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: There's a historian. We don't have a time machine. We 44 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: can't go back in time and ask people what it 45 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: was like in the same way that you'd ask your 46 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: granddad what he did during the war. And as a 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: historian you have to rely on secondary source material. I'm 48 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: looking through banking details, obituaries, all the fun things you'll 49 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: find in a dusty, moldy old basement of a library 50 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: or a historical society, and you collate all that information, 51 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: you put it together and it's your best guess as 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: to what happened back in the day based on that information. Well, 53 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 3: what a revelation that I found out that you can 54 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: actually have an interaction with ghosts and you can actually 55 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: ask them what it was like. So it's a unique 56 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: experience as a historian to be able to actually talk 57 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: to spirits, engage with them and ask them what it 58 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: was like back in the era. That's primary source material 59 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: at that point. So I feel blessed that I can 60 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: write my history books from the perspective of talking to 61 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 3: ghosts and spirits and researching the history that's been lost 62 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: to the knowledge of man from the lips of the dead. 63 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 3: So quite a unique combination of things there. 64 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: And they actually respond back to you, don't they. 65 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 3: Yes they do. 66 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: Yes. 67 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: People are going to scratch their heads a little bit 68 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 3: and think there's a crazy Englishman right now on the radio. 69 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: But you probably know yourself from watching the shows and 70 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 3: doing interviews over the years. If you have equipment in place, 71 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: you can actually have empirical evidence. There are devices we 72 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 3: can use where you can hear responses and I can 73 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 3: actually play those for you and you can listen to 74 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: them for yourself. There's ways in which they can come 75 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: through on other equipment, with EVPs, with spirit boxes, and 76 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: of course you have the psychic element as well. And 77 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: what's interesting that as a psychic can actually write down 78 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: the names and it can actually be verified by the 79 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: empirical evidence. And if I've got this neat little triangle 80 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: where I do my psychic work, I actually write down 81 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: on my notepad the things I'm getting coming through and 82 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: I wouldn't show anyone that a psychologist would say. If 83 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 3: you then present your findings in the moment, people are 84 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: going to start listening for those things. They're going to 85 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: look for those things, and you're kind of twisting your 86 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: evidence a little bit there. So I don't show anybody 87 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: in my notebook and my psychic notes to start with 88 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 3: Lo and behold, we'd run the equipment and you get 89 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: the responses coming through that back up the psychic work. 90 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: You get the same names, the same dates, and that's validation. 91 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 3: And then the icing on the cake as you go 92 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: to the historical societies, you go through the old newspapers 93 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 3: and you actually find these people that you weren't previously 94 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: aware of. And you've got this neat little triangle of 95 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: the psychic work being validated by the empirical evidence you're 96 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 3: receiving then proven to be true through the historical research, 97 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: and a skeptic would have a lot of problems saying 98 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: that that doesn't exist. It's a good way of proving 99 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: that the paranormal exists in a nice little triangle of 100 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: evidence there. 101 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: Adrian, Over the years, what have you now learned about 102 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: the paranormal and the other side? 103 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 3: I think primarily, the thoughts of the dead aren't the 104 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 3: thoughts of the living. So the things that we preoccupy 105 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: ourselves with, like money, clothes, what are we going to 106 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 3: have for dinner tomorrow? And all of the things that 107 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: we get caught up with in adult life, of course, 108 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 3: is removed. If you think about being in spirit, you're 109 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: in spirit for an eternity. We get this little sliver, 110 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: little tiny fingernail where we have a physical body. And 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: I think the one thing I get from talking to 112 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 3: ghosts and spirits for the last twenty five thirty years 113 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: is they emphasize to me that we need to make 114 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: the most of having a physical body. There's many things 115 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: they can do in spirit that we can't do with 116 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 3: a physical body, So it's not the end of the world. 117 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: They have skills that we don't have. But primarily they 118 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 3: miss things that are physical. So they would miss the 119 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: sun on their face, the rain on their skin. They 120 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 3: would miss hot dogs, hamburgers, they would miss a beer. 121 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: They might miss cigarettes, for example, any kind of physicality 122 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: and between you and me and I think it's late 123 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 3: enough in the evening. They miss a bit of a kissing, 124 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: a cuddle as well, and any kind of intimacy. So 125 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: I think ultimately the lesson I've learned is to not 126 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: worry about the hamburger, not worry about the glass of wine, 127 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 3: and I kiss and cuddle as many people as possible. 128 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: Perfect do they sometimes miss having a human body? 129 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: I think they would in that aspect. I mean, it 130 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: must be difficult for them not to have your favorite foods, 131 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: if you think about the things you like eating, if 132 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: you think about physical touch. It wasn't that long ago 133 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 3: we had the COVID it's shut down and the carry 134 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 3: it affected people that we couldn't socialize, that we couldn't 135 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: meet up with people. But I think the key thing 136 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: to remember is this, when somebody dies, we miss that 137 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: single person. We mourn for them, we go to their funeral. 138 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: Everyone misses that individual. I think what comes through to me, 139 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: and what is emphasized by the spirits is that when 140 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: they die, they miss everyone. The fractures more painful for them. 141 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 3: We just missed the one person. They miss everybody. So 142 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: I don't think enough attention is paid to the spirits 143 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: that are grieving through missing everyone, where we just miss 144 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 3: the single person. Does that make sense? 145 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: Did you put together a paranormal team, Adrian? 146 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: I did, Yes, I came over here many many years ago. Now. 147 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: It always astounds me that you think yourself it wasn't 148 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: that long ago. When people say to me, when did 149 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: you come here or when did you start investigating, people 150 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: of our age would think to ourselves, it was the 151 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: nineteen nineties. It wasn't that long ago, And you suddenly 152 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: shock yourself by realizing how long ago it was. But 153 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: when I first arrived here, I have teams in Britain, 154 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: of course, and in Europe. But when I first came here, 155 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: I put a team together and I cherry pick the 156 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: best people for the job. So I have theologians, I 157 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: have tech experts. We build a lot of our own 158 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: equipment that no one else has. We have experts on 159 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: EVPs and audio. We have historians, we have psychics. So 160 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 3: all of those individuals are in their own teams, and 161 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: I encourage that. I've seen a lot of teams investigate 162 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 3: in where they get a little bit annoyed that they 163 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: go off and investigate with other people. But I think 164 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 3: it's healthy that you investigate with your own teams. You 165 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: go off and do your own things, because you're gaining skills, 166 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 3: you're gaining knowledge. You're seeing our other people work and 167 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: how they don't work as well, I might add, and 168 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: under those circumstances, I pick the people that I think 169 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 3: are going to do the best in their fields for 170 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: the things that I need to prove that ghosts exists 171 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: and to write my history books. 172 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: What do you say to people Adrian that say a 173 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: ghosts aren't real. 174 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's quite a common one. When I was young 175 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: and enthusiastic, I may have taken them on a journey 176 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 3: and said, come with me, I'll show your haunted basement. 177 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: I think, generally speaking it may be a cliche, but 178 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: for the believer, no amount of evidence is necessary, and 179 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: for the non believer, no amount of evidence willever be enough. 180 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 3: I have taken non believers into haunted buildings and I've 181 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: shown them spirits. They literally appeared in front of us 182 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: and manifested themselves, and ultimately they haven't changed their mind. 183 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot to do with the idea 184 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: that if you acknowledge a ghost or a spirit being 185 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: real and they haven't been in that position before, you 186 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: have to change your entire way of thinking. You have 187 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: to change your entire design for life. And I think 188 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 3: generally speaking that people are very lazy. They want to 189 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: go home, have their dinner, watch the television, and go 190 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 3: to bed and I think if you start to change 191 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: their religious outlook, if you start to change their scientific beliefs, 192 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: they almost don't want to take that on board. As 193 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: psychologists would suggest that if you were to prove to 194 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: them that they exist, if they take that on board, 195 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: they then have to change their entire way of thinking, 196 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 3: and I don't think they want to do that. They 197 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: would have to acknowledge that, so it's better for them 198 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: to ignore it. So, as I said, when I was 199 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 3: young and enthusiastic, I may have put my armor on, 200 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: drawn my sword, and gone into battle. Now I probably 201 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: shrug my shoulders and think, well, what you've done there 202 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: is just undermined my entire life's work and all of 203 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: the history books I've written over the years. But I 204 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: will say to you this that when a spirit gives 205 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: me information, I don't just write about that, because I'd 206 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 3: be laughed at by every historic academic there is. What 207 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 3: they do is they give me the information to allow 208 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: me to narrow down my research and to find things 209 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: that I hadn't previously been aware of. So when they 210 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: give me their name, their experiences, the dates they're there, 211 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 3: things that happen to them, I would then research that. 212 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 3: So all my books are fully referenced. They've got huge bibliographies, 213 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 3: they've got all the reference in all the end notes, 214 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: and everything I state that's historic in my books, I've 215 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: actually referenced and found it to be true. So I've 216 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: not stated anything a spirit would say to me without 217 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: backing that up with evidence, of course, but they put 218 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 3: me on the path to my research and allow me 219 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 3: to go and find them. 220 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: Adrian An Halloween Night, October thirty. First, we highlight a 221 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: program called Ghost to Ghost where we let people call 222 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 2: in with their ghost stories and they're incredible. I mean 223 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: absolutely incredible. There's got to be something to this, huh, 224 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: you would think. 225 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: So here's the thing. I've been in bars in this country, 226 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: in the Midwest, and people will say to me, I 227 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: don't believe in ghosts, and then they have a couple 228 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: of beers and they start to tell me all their 229 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: ghost stories, followed by the followed by the sentence, do 230 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 3: you think that's a ghost? So it's very interesting that 231 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: people kind of loosen up a little bit. I think 232 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: here's the thing. There's a lot of differences between Britain 233 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: and America in terms of investigating, and we can touch 234 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: upon that if you want to. But I genuinely believe 235 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 3: that more people believe in ghosts in Britain. We have 236 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 3: a history of Charles Dickens with a Christmas Carol, we 237 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: have Hamlet's father appearing in Shakespeare as a ghost. There 238 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 3: is a long history of paranormal activity in our country 239 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 3: and we're happy to talk about it. We're happy to 240 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 3: believe that this is true. I think in America there's 241 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 3: more inclination to disbelieve that they're worried that they're going 242 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: to maybe have fun made of them, or they're going 243 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 3: to think that other people will believe that they're not 244 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: quite there, you know. Mentally, I think it's more easy 245 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 3: going in Britain. It'd be easier in we believe more 246 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: in ghosts perhaps than in America. And I'll tell you 247 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 3: a quick anecdote. My mother, who I also mentioned earlier, 248 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 3: was a scientist. My parents had the opinion many years 249 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: ago that when you're dead, you just rot and that's it. 250 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: And my mother recently had a revelation. She told me 251 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: that she saw a ghost in the house I grew 252 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: up in back in London, and this was remarkable for 253 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: her for her to say to me, I saw a ghost. 254 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 3: She was leaving the bathroom, walking into the hallway and 255 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 3: there was a small Dickensian boy looking up at her. 256 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: You imagine the flat cap and imagine how that little 257 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 3: boy looked from a Dickensian perspective. And my mom did 258 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 3: something that I'm very proud of. My mom actually said 259 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: to this kid, and she didn't scream, she didn't run. 260 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: It was very scientific, very matter of fact, very British. 261 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 3: Actually she said to the child, please don't disappear in 262 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: that moment, which I was quite impressed with, and he disappeared. 263 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 3: So even the strongest skeptic like my parents are having 264 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: these experiences. And I think sometimes for some people, similar 265 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 3: to UFOs, you have to have the experience, you have 266 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: to have seen it firsthand. And I would suggest that 267 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: many people that are on my team came into the 268 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: paranormal and came into researching the paranormal because they had 269 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: their own experiences when they were younger, and they wanted 270 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: to prove to themselves that they weren't going mad and 271 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: that there is something out there. 272 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: What do you think of ghost as Adrian, Well, first. 273 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: And foremost, their energy. We have devices that measure energy, 274 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: so whenever a spirit arrives, it sets off quite a 275 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: lot of equipment that we have scientific empirical evidence, and 276 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: energy can be measured, of course, So first and foremost 277 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 3: a ghost is energy. It requires energy to turn the 278 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 3: lights on and off. It requires energy to slam a door. 279 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: Just hearing footsteps walking through the house requires energy and 280 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: or measurable that energy can unfortunately dissipate, so it dissipates 281 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: over time. And I genuinely believe, and I've spoken to 282 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: ghosts and spirits about this, that we don't see ghosts 283 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: from more than about one hundred and fifty to two 284 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: hundred years ago. It has happened to me. It's not 285 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: it has happened. It's very rare. But with energy dissipating, 286 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: every time you turn a light on and off, or 287 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 3: bang a door, or turn the faucet on, or make 288 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: any kind of noise, that energy dissipates. And it's not 289 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: an end to supply. And I genuinely believe that there's 290 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 3: the possibility, and brace yourself for this, that we actually 291 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 3: die twice. I think we die physically, and then I 292 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 3: think we also die when our energy dissipates. And then 293 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: we have an argument or a discussion about what happens next. 294 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: But a ghost is a thought. If you think you 295 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: want to be somewhere, you are so in spirit. Pretend 296 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: me and you are dead, and we think it's going 297 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 3: to be funny right now early in the morning to 298 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: go and flick my mother's ear back in Britain and 299 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: scarer because this would be great. But we think ourselves there, 300 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 3: so we are. You don't see a ghost walking from 301 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: the cemetery back to the house he wants to hold. 302 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 3: You don't see a ghost driving a ghost car. So 303 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: we are a thought. You have to think yourself to 304 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: a place, and then you suddenly appear, of course, which 305 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: is what ghosts do, because that thought suddenly puts you 306 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: in that place. Now, based on that information, you have 307 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: to have an awareness of where you want to hold 308 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: because you have to think yourself there. You also have 309 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: to have an awareness of what it is to be yourself. 310 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: So when people say they see ghosts of cats, they 311 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 3: see ghosts of dogs, they see ghosts of horses, for example. 312 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 3: Those animals have an awareness of themselves. They're aware of 313 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: their names, they're aware perhaps of what they look like, 314 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: They're aware of their place within the household and within 315 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: their community. If you like, my dog fully knows its name, 316 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: it knows what it looks like, and it knows where 317 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: it is within my household. So a sense of sentience 318 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 3: allows you to haunt. This is why we don't see ghostfish, 319 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: ghost lizards, or ghost birds, because I would argue those 320 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 3: animals don't have an awareness of themselves which allows them 321 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 3: to think themselves somewhere to then be able to haunt it. 322 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 323 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: one am Eastern and go to Coast tocoastam dot com 324 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: for more