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This 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.480 is the episode that we've been waiting for long time. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.360 If you follow our journey, obviously you know we're a 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.480 business platform and we talked to people of the highest 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:07.680 level when it comes to entrepreneurship and investing. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.239 But at our core we're sports enthusiasts. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:19.840 Yes, athletes die hard sports and yeah, some would say experts, 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:21.239 especially you. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:22.040 You know, all kinds of. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.639 Weak do do, Like who was. 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:25.720 The sixth man on the. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.960 Knicks in nineteen eighty seven when they in the first 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.120 round of the playoffs, like it's just a bunch of 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:35.120 useless You. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.480 Probably start of the person just now listen, I might 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.320 have it was Kenny Walker. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.840 When I think about when I think, first of all, 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:44.640 most of my most of my stuff that I just 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.480 look it up, man, I just look it up, make 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.720 sure I read a lot, and all that stuff. But 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.080 for me personally, it's certain moments it's just embedded than 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:56.919 your brain. John Starks and NBA Finals nineteen ninety four. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:58.880 My heart is still broken over that. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.160 My heart's still broken over with conference finals. Hubert Davis 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.320 getting a foul call for Scottie Pippen on a shot 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:06.440 that shouldn't have been called a foul. 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.560 We lost the came I remember Pipping got called for 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:13.440 the foul. Hubert Davis benefited from there. Went to the line. 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.600 Game five, they win, that Knicks win Game six. H 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.959 Knicks lose games sorry, and then we come back and 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.760 win game seven. But that was you know that Hugh 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.280 Hollins called and it was ridiculous. Yeah it was, But 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.400 I was happy that the Knicks one fet me, you 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:29.720 know what I'm saying. But but I mean, that was 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.920 the closest to but see you thinking about that. To me, 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.000 I'm thinking about the closest the Knicks been or the title. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.720 That was the closest they've been at Game seven against. 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:41.360 You, that's when he threw up two for eighteen, two 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.360 for eighteen overall, one for eleven from three point range, 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.680 and pat Riley for some inexplicable reason, he still hasn't 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.080 explained to me how you're going to acquire Rolando Blackman 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.040 in the middle of the season and don't put him 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.800 there when the only reason you went out to acquire 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.160 him shooting was because you needed to shoot it in 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.800 case John Starks got cold. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:00.680 He was streaking. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.240 You ride with the horse that you came in with. 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:02.400 No. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.080 But the point is you made the move for the 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.880 sole express purpose of knowing you couldn't rely on John 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.560 Starks to be consistent. One game he'd blow, he'd he'd 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.760 do great, like he did in Game six, and then 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.119 the next game he he might not show up. And 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.600 that's why you got a reliable marksman like Rolando Blackman. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:25.640 So how you don't use him in the finals championship 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:31.200 on the line it some scars are and I can't, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.520 I can't. I can't shape that one I'll never shake 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:34.080 that one. 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:38.039 No, that's just the introlaz. So Stephen A. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:42.520 Smith needs no introduction, a legend in the sports broadcasting world, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.240 and somebody who's actually transitioned how we watch sports. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.920 There's been a few people throughout history. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:53.400 That have you know, added their mark to journalism, and 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:54.760 you're one of them. 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:55.040 For sure. 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:55.479 Thank you. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.039 Another think of Stewart Scott, I think of yourself. I 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.799 think of a few other people Obon for sure, no doubt. 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.200 Yeah, transcendent figures, guys. I looked up to God rest 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.960 Stewards God's soul. I miss him every day. One of 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.240 the greatest to ever do it. And Will Bond is 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.320 the Godfather is still around and I'm blessed and fortunate 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.320 enough to call him a colleague at ESPN and we 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:18.039 do NBA Countdown together. No matter what you see. The 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.040 great work he did it the Washington Post, the great 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.800 work he's done for PTI, part of the Interruption is nothing, 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.520 nothing compared to him as a person. Will Bond's one 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.640 of the most beautiful people you never meet in your life. Yeah. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.000 We had the pleasure of meeting him at an event 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:31.880 for Steph Curry. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.360 Yeah, and I was telling them just how much. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.120 Even when I used to watch sports reporters right rest 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.279 in peace, Dick Chap, when those guys are be on 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.719 it was like him, Mike Lup, you just watched it 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.039 because you got to put a face to the people 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:44.559 you were reading. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.640 Yeah, so, I mean, those are the important It gave 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.200 us a lot of hope, a lot of inspiration. He 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.720 was on there, Brian Burrough of late Brian Borough. Let's 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.400 say today, he was on there. David Dupree, he was 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:58.120 another individual that was on there on occasion. Obviously, guys 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.640 like Howard Bryant the Great now John Saunders god rest 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.760 is so he's an iconic figure in the business as well. 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.240 There's so many people that you know, when you think 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.599 about what I'm doing today, they paved the way. David 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.400 Oldris as well. It wasn't for them, I wouldn't be 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:14.119 where I am today. 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.680 Yeah, well, thank you for joining us. Appreciate it. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:18.400 I'm good to be here. 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:18.560 Man. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:19.200 Let's do it. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.000 So all right, let's start out with this business show 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.400 where we like sports. So I want to start with 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.640 a question that's related to both sports and business, and 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:33.120 I want to talk about college sports and what's happening 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.840 with college sports. It looks like it's new pro league. 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.040 Right when you look at the transfer portal, it looks 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.960 like free agency, which you don't even have a car. 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:42.760 You could just leave at any point in time, right, Right. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:47.520 But then I also want to talk about nil collectives. 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.760 So they're saying John Caliparry is going to start with 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.360 at least five million dollars, and a lot of people 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:55.719 aren't really familiar with the NIO collective. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:56.920 They heard about nil deals. 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.440 But it's like the NIO collective, a bunch of essentially 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.400 from all like a bunch of wealthy bullsters, can just 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.680 come together and just pull up a pool of money 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.200 and just you know, give kids. It's like a way 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.240 to pay players under the gaze of nil and not 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:14.240 it be illegal. Right, So so much has changed over 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.040 the last eighteen months, So what's your thoughts on those 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:17.480 two things? 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.880 Specifically, doesn't bother me at all. And the more headaches 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.200 it causes for the NCAA, the more headaches it costs 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:31.280 for particular programs, the better I feel. You've spent decades 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:36.360 exploiting these athletes under the cloak of amateurism, and I 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.960 would have respected it more if it were applicable to 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.080 you as well. If you were a coach, if you 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:46.600 were an administration and you didn't benefit off of the 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.880 exploits of the athletes, then I'm down for it. But 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:55.280 that's not what has happened. We've had coaches having a 0:07:55.320 --> 0:08:00.880 myriad of ways to generate revenue for themselves, clinics, coaching 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:06.240 in summertime, salaries, they've earned speaking engagements, et cetera, et cetera. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.160 We've seen the athletes perform, and we've seen the money 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.760 come back to the universities. And what do they do? 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.280 They funnel it throughout the universities. The administrators get a 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.440 little bit more, the chancellors, the provost presidents, they get 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.920 a little bit more. Different other programs within the school 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:28.000 that are non generate revenue generating sports they benefit from it. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.360 But the very athlete who went out there and perform 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:34.160 and generated this level of interest is somebody that you 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.959 couldn't find it within yourself to ensure that you would. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.599 You would, they would be compensated in some capacity. And 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.280 the reason why it resonates with me so profoundly is 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:49.440 because you know, I remember when Chris Webber fab five 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.680 Michigan and those guys were complaining about stuff and whatever, 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.160 and you have these folks on the having you know, 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.320 under the mentality, you know, you're getting a scholarship. You're 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.800 getting a scholarsip. You should be happy, but they were 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.800 never happy. And how much of a stickler you were 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.880 if folks got flights home. In Chris Webber's case, you're 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.040 going into a bookstore and you're seeing a uniform, a 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.920 jersey with your name on it. But if the store 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.680 gave it to you for free as a violation, you know, 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.640 stuff like that. You know that you're getting a vast 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:27.920 majority of these high profile athletes from desolate environments and backgrounds, 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.160 and you're telling them they can't fly home for the holidays. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.040 They can't get a car, they can't you know, you 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.079 couldn't even rent them a car whatever. It might have 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.640 been a violation. So those kind of things, you would 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.800 think they would have had the decency to be a 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:45.079 bit lax and to understand with all the money that 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.080 these athletes were generating, that, you know what, you could 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.360 turn a blond out of certain things. All right. If 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.560 the guy want to go home for the holidays, let 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.880 him go. If somebody wants to come if the parents 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.000 want to be flown in for you know, to be 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.360 with him for Christmas because he can't, you know, he 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.520 can't go home and see him. All right, we could 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.800 turn the bloder. He didn't do any of that. You 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:09.760 kept you would dog it in restricting what the athletes 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:13.520 can get. So now that's not the case. You know, 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.000 you read what yourself and the headaches that come with it, 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.640 the coaches that can't take it. Cal no Doubt is 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.720 leaving Kentucky in part because of that. Nick Saban no 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:23.120 doubt retired because of that. 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:24.960 You can because of that, because of what. 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.480 And il transfer a portal of the combination of it 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:32.800 all and what kind of chaos it's caused because it's 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.760 relinquished the degree of control from them. Nick Saban told 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.800 me that personally could he was before he retired. He 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.559 was complaining about what a headache it was you talking 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.440 about agents that are treating He felt like they were 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.680 damn near and bezzling you know, money, you know from 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.280 universities and stuff, you know what they were doing. Those 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.360 were his That was his terminology. He was completely turned 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.360 off and utterly disgusted as to how things had transformed 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.000 and how it changed, and I didn't blame him. I 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.839 didn't think he was wrong. I was just saying the 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.320 NCAA brought it on themselves because of how they were. 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.240 So if these athletes find a way now to get 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.080 paid more, power to them. Power to them. 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.640 It's interesting because I was kind of thinking that it's 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.960 like that transition of the old model, because even for 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.920 cal his model was the one and done. So to 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.120 see the one that done not work now, I'm like, well, 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.280 what was really changed? And if you're going from a 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.679 place like Kentucky with has a boatload of boosters right 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.320 endless money, right, and going to an SEC school like 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.079 Arkansas where there are boosters but. 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.120 They got some money now, but they have chill. 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.160 I'm saying that they have the football component. But Kentucky 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.280 has been playing well over the past couple of years. 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.040 That change is happening with the coaches, you said, Saban, 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.640 I've thought about guys like Roy Williams and like these 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.640 older guys who had came in with a system both 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.080 in college and I mean college basketball and football, to 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.480 where you see new guys coach Prime exceeding at this 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.040 because he's able to adjust and get back to this 0:11:58.280 --> 0:11:59.400 even like a Dan Hurley. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:00.960 Now, who's just just one. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.000 It's more about the players and figured out, it's transfer portal, 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:05.559 it's nil, it's all these things. 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.840 Well, the first first thing we're gonna do as we 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.320 sit down here right now, is we're gonna define what 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.680 your definition and success is. Because let me tell you something. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.800 Cal ain't been successful, not in recent memory. You got 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:23.320 four over the last four years Kentucky. Right, well, I'm 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.480 success and I'm telling you they've been bounced out in 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:31.480 the first round, fourteen seed, lost to Saint Peter's the 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.400 fifteen seed, and then didn't and then went to the 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.520 second round loss? Has it been to the sweet sixteen 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.720 and four years didn't make the n CAA tournament. Okay, 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.640 so you're at Kentucky, which is blue blood? Okay, we 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.240 know what Huh can we throw away that turn? No? 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.520 Who's is you common? Blue blood? Yes? What is so defined? 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.240 Blue blood? Lengthy period of time in which your dominant shines, 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.040 where you're relevant, you're a big time program. You know, 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:02.360 you're constantly in the mix for national type. The level 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:06.120 of notoriety you gain is different from what the average 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.640 school gets. Like for example, Villanova's won a couple of 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.560 national championships. We're going to talk about Villanova in that regard. 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.360 Georgetown won back in the day. We want to talk 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.319 about them in that regard. North Carolina has been relevant 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.160 since the sixties seventies. Duke has been relevant since Newton 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.640 Skrzyzewski arribbed in the eighties. Bill self had Kansas relevant 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.920 since the eighties. Kentucky with Patino add of rope oviously 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.880 before him with them Patino, Tubby Smith. Now you got 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.320 Coli par in twenty twelve he wins a national title. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.839 Those are the content that when you're talking about blue Blood, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:40.360 you're talking about programs essentially that could recruit itself. You 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.000 mentioned that program and everybody you know, you you come 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.520 knocking on somebody's door, They're gonna open that door and 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.360 listen to what you have to say. A lot of 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.920 schools heard, No, not those programs. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:52.319 That's all I mean by that, right, So, like A, 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.520 Ucla was fitting that even though they haven't since. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.920 Nice Cla hasn't won since ninety five, Jeds won, Ucla 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.960 hasn't won since nineteen ninety five. You consider them that 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.480 out west because of John Wooden, what they've done and 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.760 what in Bill Walton, Kareem me abdujaball those kinds of things. 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:08.880 The know Bannon's and all of those guys in nineteen 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.679 ninety five Westbrook Well Foeams. Okay, because you look at 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.760 it from that standpoint, you'll look at it from there. 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:18.120 But that's what I'm talking about. Kentucky's in that line 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.480 and so, and not only that. Part of it is 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.720 not worrying about the finances because your alumni base and 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.440 the money that's funneled into the program is not something 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.320 that you have to concern yourself with because the school 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.080 will always be people to take care of those folks. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:37.000 That's Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, u c LA, Kansas. And 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:41.400 now you come from a financial standpoint, even from a 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.640 financial absolutely, because the absolutely. 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.080 I'm asking from a financial standpoint only because we know 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.400 that football brings a majority of the money. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.160 For these schools. Duke is an exception in a sense. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.880 You're talking about the school, I'm talking about the program. Okay, gotcha, 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:59.440 got You'm talking about the program. Gotcha. UConn's program, basketball, 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.720 KULD give their facilities are better than Kentucky and women's. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.360 Yeah, so let me ask you this and then I'm 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.360 to ask a follow up question. Okay, Deion Sanders, Yes, 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.840 shout out to coach pro that's our guy. He recently 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:18.760 said that Travis Hunter and his son Shador, there's certain cities, 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.720 certain teams that he already knows they're not going to 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.320 in the draft because he doesn't want them to go 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.960 to them. He's pretty much dictating their draft board. How 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:27.800 do you feel about that? 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.560 It doesn't bother me. If you can manipulate the system, 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.840 and you can do it legally, what's the problem. Eli 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.600 Manning was drafted by the San Diego Chargers said I 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.920 don't want to be there, and the Manning family, along 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.880 with their representation, ensure that he wouldn't have to go 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.520 to San Diego. You know, you had a black man 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.600 tries that at that particular moment in time, he wouldn't 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:48.360 have been in the NFL. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.320 Well, all right, So this leads me to my next question. 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.440 Eli Manning definitely did that, right, and somebody else did 0:15:56.480 --> 0:16:00.960 do that in basketball? Who we hardly ever speak about this. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.520 Kobe Bryant, Charlotte. 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:07.720 Kobe Bryant didn't do that? 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:08.440 What did he do? 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.440 Can Jerry West? Did it? Thank you? 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:11.800 Sir? Explain the situation. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:16.400 I'm telling them this. Jerry West was the was the 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:21.320 general manager for the Los Angeles Lakers, universally recognized at 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:27.600 that time as the best executive in the business. Profound 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:33.280 respect and deference and deference to Jerry West. Jerry West. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:39.840 If you recall, the Charlotte Hornets drafted Kobe Bryant thirteenth overall. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.360 All right, well, clearly twelve teams missed the boat on 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.840 Kobe Bryant. You're the Lakers, you going to the playoffs. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.040 You got the Eddie Jones, the Eldon Campbell's of the 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:51.800 world and Nick van X's of the world and people 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.720 like that on your squad. Okay, so guess what we 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.400 could hoodwink these brothers into taking this deal. And they 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.880 did that with Charlotte because they had Charlott saying, Okay, 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.040 this brother's got potential, but it's probably years down the road. 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.479 Why don't you take the center of Vla de Divac, 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.200 who's more than a serviceable center than some supplementary parts. 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:11.920 And then you know, by the way, we'll take Kobe 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.159 Bryant in that sit not realizing Kobe was gonna be Kobe. 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.000 But Jerry West was known as a guy that had 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.119 that eye and at that time in terms of a 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:25.600 talent evaluator, which is why when he elected to pass 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.600 up years later as a consultant for the Clippers who 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.440 had the twelfth and thirteenth pick on Michael Porter Junior, 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.919 everybody was like, really, there must be something wrong with 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.199 Michael Porter because there's no way on earth that that 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:42.320 eye that Jerry West has with miss out on his talent. Well, 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.320 it wasn't. His talent is that Michael Porter Junior was 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.800 perceived as having back issues because he had an injury 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.879 plagued history coming into the Pros. And then while sitting 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.520 in the draft room, they were talking monitoring how slow 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.200 he was getting up from his chair, and it looked 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.520 like he was coming into the league with back problems 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.119 and stuff like that, and that's why they passed up 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.119 on him. I'm just saying all of that to say, 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.320 Kobe Bryant, even though a lot of people didn't see 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.600 how great he would recognize how great he would be. 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.760 Jerry West was one of those people that was privately 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.800 telling folks, you have no idea, this brother the second coming. 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.240 He's gonna be special, but just really. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.440 Quick and he has the vision to say, I'm training 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.080 value Devis, but in the back pocket, I'm going after 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:26.359 this guy was about to leave Orlando. 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.480 Okay, but it wasn't just a regular trade though, right 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.640 Kobe did he not make it known that he did 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.520 not want to play like he was unhappy he wanted 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:36.320 to play for the Lakers. 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.399 No, he made it known that he wanted to go 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:43.240 to the Lakers because Jerry West had let him know 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.720 if you if you, if I can get you, I'm 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.040 gonna get you here. But I need you to make 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.879 some noise exactly because if you make this noise that 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:57.720 Charlotte isn't going to want to keep you because they 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.679 know they're gonna have a disgruntled player and as a result, 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:03.560 I'll be able to grab you. And I'm just saying 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.480 Jerry West manipulated all of that. It was in the 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:06.720 whole of. 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.639 Fame three times for it, and rest in peace to 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.919 Kobe wanted to do it. But what I'm saying is 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.159 that he still played. He was vocal, he played that 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.879 role of and he went to the greatest franchise in 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:17.679 NBA history. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:23.399 And respectfully, you're not hearing me, I'm telling you, but listen, 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:30.120 a white executive who was profoundly respected and recognized as 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:36.600 a genius and an architect. Okay, manipulated the proceedings. So 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.400 Kobe opening his mouth was at the behest of West. 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:41.679 No, I get it, I get it. 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.399 But what I'm saying is if West wasn't But if 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.480 Jerry West, this is the point I'm trying to make you. 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.240 If Jerry West had never said any such thing, and 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.719 Jerry West ha just sent back, played his position and 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.359 we'll draft whoever we could draft when again, and he 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.800 never said anything, Kobe Bryant would not have been in 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.159 the position to do what he did. Okay, all right, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:03.480 it was that Jerry West. 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.240 But even behind Eli Manning's father was behind the scenes, 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.320