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Speaker 5: is the episode that we've been waiting for long time.

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Speaker 5: If you follow our journey, obviously you know we're a

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Speaker 6: But at our core we're sports enthusiasts.

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Speaker 5: Yes, athletes die hard sports and yeah, some would say experts,

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Speaker 6: You know, all kinds of.

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Speaker 3: When I think about when I think, first of all,

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Speaker 3: My heart is still broken over that.

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Speaker 4: My heart's still broken over with conference finals. Hubert Davis

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Speaker 3: You're talking about the school, I'm talking about the program. Okay, gotcha,

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Speaker 3: It doesn't bother me. If you can manipulate the system,

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Speaker 5: Eli Manning definitely did that, right, and somebody else did

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Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant didn't do that?

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Speaker 3: Can Jerry West? Did it? Thank you?

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Speaker 3: I'm telling them this. Jerry West was the was the

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Speaker 3: If you recall, the Charlotte Hornets drafted Kobe Bryant thirteenth overall.

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Speaker 4: Quick and he has the vision to say, I'm training

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Speaker 5: Okay, but it wasn't just a regular trade though, right

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Speaker 3: No, he made it known that he wanted to go

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Speaker 3: I'll be able to grab you. And I'm just saying

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Speaker 5: Fame three times for it, and rest in peace to

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Speaker 5: Kobe wanted to do it. But what I'm saying is

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Speaker 3: And respectfully, you're not hearing me, I'm telling you, but listen,

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Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is if West wasn't But if

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Speaker 3: Is that why we hear it? That that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: It's not about start from the bottom. It's the analogy

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Speaker 3: Eli was where he wanted to be, Kobe was where

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00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 3: he wanted to be, and all of those things are true.

436
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Speaker 4: Said the Angel ended up with Philip Rivers. Man, huh,

437
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 4: So they ended up with Philip Rivers. They had a

438
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 4: franchise quarterback. I want to go back to that draft

439
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 4: because we always talk about the power of relationships and

440
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 4: how relationships can take you and open doors that money can't.

441
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Speaker 4: And so the number one picking that draft was obviously

442
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Speaker 4: Alan Overson cob the same draft, best draft class ever.

443
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Speaker 4: You as a beat writer for the Philadelphia Inquiry at

444
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 4: the time, covering him, building a relationship with him obviously

445
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 4: has changed a lot for your career.

446
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Speaker 3: I wonder when you look back now and.

447
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Speaker 4: Kind of for for having foresight, we don't see reporters

448
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 4: having the same type of relationships that I imagine that you.

449
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Speaker 3: Would have with him.

450
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Speaker 4: I wonder what you think the cause of it is?

451
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Speaker 4: Or is it because the athlete of today modern day

452
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 4: has their own platform to express themselves. Has that Has

453
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 4: it changed the way that beat writers sports reporters can

454
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 4: now interact and have relationship with athletes.

455
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Speaker 3: That quickly is yes. I was the beat writer in

456
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 3: ninety seven ninety six, I was the backup beat writer,

457
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 3: and then the next year I took over the beat

458
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: for Alan Iverson current And I say Alan Iverson because

459
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 3: there was a seventy sixters beat and then there was

460
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 3: the Alan Iverson beat. Because his brother always got himself

461
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 3: in something and as a result of that, I always

462
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: had to work over time covering him, you know, and

463
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 3: it was like a nightmare and we got to run

464
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: and joke. We still laugh about it to this day.

465
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 3: Every single year I went on vacation, every incident he

466
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: got into was when I was on vacation, and meaning

467
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: I had to come off vacation to deal with some

468
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 3: mess that he had gotten himself in. It just never

469
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: ever failed, and I just used to be so mad

470
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 3: at him over that. Right, But when you talk about

471
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 3: today's player, it's the avent of social media. It's the

472
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 3: fact that they got a voice, is the fact that

473
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 3: they don't necessarily need the fourth state, which is the media,

474
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 3: to disseminate any kind of message on their behalf. They

475
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: feel they can do it themselves, and they never trusted

476
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Speaker 3: the media. And as a result of for trusting the media,

477
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: you were always looking for an excuse to have a

478
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: different outlet. Back then, you didn't have it because social

479
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 3: media didn't exist. No Instagram, no Facebook, no Twitter, and

480
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: none of that. And so because that didn't exist, you

481
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 3: had no choice but to rely upon media. So the

482
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 3: next best thing was to find somebody in the media

483
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: that you could remotely trust to some degree, and that's

484
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 3: pretty much how it happened. Michael Jordan had somebody that

485
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: was mard Rashad. Isaiah Thomas had people as wise as

486
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Speaker 3: he was he knew city, the city you know, or

487
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 3: a national voice or whatever. He always had an outlet.

488
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Speaker 3: Charles Barkley, same situation, Shaquille or Neil Patrick, you and

489
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Speaker 3: another's There was always somebody And in Philadelphia, I was

490
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 3: that guy for Alan Iverson. But it was a bit

491
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Speaker 3: different than an orthodox for me because I call it

492
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Speaker 3: like I see it, not to say that other people

493
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Speaker 3: did not, but they were, you know, they were a

494
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Speaker 3: bit more cautious about it than I was. I didn't

495
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: give a damn because my attitude is I'm not getting

496
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 3: personal personal businesses. Your business. Long as you don't end

497
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: up in the police bloggers or something like that where

498
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: a bunch of people see you doing something, it's none

499
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 3: of my business. But your game is my business. That's

500
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: what you do in a public forum. And when you

501
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: perform in a public forum, I'm not gonna tell the

502
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: audience they saw something different than I saw. If what

503
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: I saw is what the audience saw, If what they

504
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: saw is what I saw, I'm gonna I'm gonna confirm

505
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 3: that no matter what, because that's something you did in

506
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Speaker 3: the public forum. Obviously, that doesn't endear you to the

507
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: professional athletes sometimes, you know, they get upset, they grow

508
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: to hate you in certain situations and all of that stuff.

509
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: And if you are a journalist, and I think that

510
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: when you fast forward to today, I don't think people

511
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: realize that when they see me, they honestly act like

512
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 3: I really give a shit that they don't like me.

513
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 3: I mean, they listen man athletes, oh yeah, athletes, coaches,

514
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: the list goes on, and it's not just them, it's

515
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Speaker 3: not just athletes. Well at times it can be. But

516
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: I don't care. And the reason why I don't care

517
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: is because of what I told you about not getting

518
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: personal and sticking to the game. But number two, they

519
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 3: don't know my background, my background as a journalist. You're

520
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: not supposed to be in the business of making friends.

521
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to do that. You're supposed to call

522
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 3: it like you see it. You're supposed to be in

523
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: pursuit of the truth as best as you possibly can

524
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 3: get to it. That's what you're supposed to do. And

525
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 3: most importantly than all, you're not supposed to care about

526
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: friends being friends, meaning you're not supposed to care about that,

527
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 3: not your friends, not If you cultivate a friendship, you

528
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 3: develop a friendship. Sure, but I'm not walking in trying

529
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: to be your friend. I'm walking in doing a job.

530
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 3: And over the course of doing a job, if we

531
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 3: cultivate a relationship with one another, that's called There's plenty,

532
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: and Alan Iverson or any professional athlete, coach, executive owner

533
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: will tell you I don't say nor write a minimum

534
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: seventy five percent of what I know I don't do that,

535
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: but there's certain things that have to be said, and

536
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it. Because we don't have things giving

537
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 3: dinner together, we ain't exchanging Christmas gifts together, you don't

538
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: pay my bills. Have a job to do and I'm

539
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: gonna do it. And so knowing that that's my background,

540
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: it shocks me to this day how folks will sit

541
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 3: up there and and say some of the things that

542
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: they say. Folks will hate, or they'll talk about how

543
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: they feel about me or whatever the case may be,

544
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: and they never tell y'all why they give little vague

545
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: notices about you know.

546
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 5: I think I think you have to understand too that

547
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 5: it's people have emotions, right, So nobody wants to hear

548
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 5: negative things about themselves right on any level. And I'll

549
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 5: use Kyrie example, right, we interviewed his mom and we

550
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 5: met Kyrie.

551
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 6: Skyrie, good guy, but.

552
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 5: I felt like the media it became a personal issue

553
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 5: with Kyrie, especially over the vaccine and a variety of

554
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 5: other things that I didn't understand.

555
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: The media or fine the media. I won't deny that

556
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: you talk about me well just I know, I mean,

557
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: because I can answer for me, all.

558
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 6: Right, So I'm right here, Okay.

559
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 5: So for Kyrie, for instance, what what would you say

560
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 5: for people that say that you went too hard or

561
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 5: it turned personal for Kyrie.

562
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: Earth, I will openly tell you they are not wrong.

563
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: That several people told me that players coaches. Kyrie's close

564
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: with a few coaches. They personally called me, personally asked

565
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: me to back up. The only time that I will

566
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: concede that it got personal for me, and it's been

567
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: resolved and it's all good. Kyrie and I probably never

568
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: speak again in life, and that's fine. But I ain't

569
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: got nothing but respect for the brother because he's doing

570
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: what I want it all along him to be on

571
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: the court, showcasing how marvelous he is as a basketball player,

572
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: instead of finding one excuse after another to miswork. Now,

573
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: I understand that COVID wasn't one of those things, or

574
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: I understand, but Kyrie knows how much work he's missed,

575
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: and he know COVID ain't the only reason why over

576
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: the years. Now, I ain't gonna give details, but I

577
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: know him, okay. And so when you miss work and

578
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: you still getting paid, but an audience out there doesn't

579
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: get to see you put your marvelous skill sets on display.

580
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: I have an attitude about that because I'm a basketball

581
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: lover and I want to see that brother play. I

582
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: think he's one of the greatest talents this game has

583
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: ever seen, and I want to see him play. The

584
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: COVID thing. Everybody wanted to ignore what I said. I said,

585
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: bump COVID. Everybody got that. I understand, I get it. Okay,

586
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: I took the vaccine, but I know plenty of people

587
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: who didn't. I don't blame him, I understand it. My

588
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: point was that was the latest excuse to miss work,

589
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: because there's a bevy of other times he misworked for

590
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: excuses that had nothing to do with COVID. I'm like,

591
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: how many excuses you're gonna invent? I meant it then,

592
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: I mean it now. If he was here in front

593
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: of my face, I tell him to his face, he knows.

594
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: But when it got personal, which is where it's my fault,

595
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: not his, my fault, his father got involved and there

596
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: was a tex exchange between me and his dad that

597
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 3: I felt was personal and I felt crossed the line.

598
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 3: That was when it got personal, not before then. That

599
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: was when it got personal, because I'm like, hey, hey, you

600
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: got your daddy involved, you understand saying and you know

601
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: that you're wrong, because there's some things that went down

602
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: with me and Kyrie as none of anybody business. And

603
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: let's just say I looked out and to roll up

604
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: on me like I'm the enemy was offensive to me.

605
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: And so because that was offensive to me, I addressed

606
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: it properly. I have never told and I never will.

607
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: That's his business, but he knows. And so when dad

608
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: got involved and Dad knew I was really offended, and

609
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: so we started, it was like no holds barred. Then

610
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: it's like, I'm not inventing anything. I'm not making it up.

611
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: I'm just not trying to act like I'm neutral. I'm

612
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 3: letting you know where I'm coming from, you know. In

613
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: other words, at that moment, I didn't like your ass,

614
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: and I was saying it unapologetically. But then, because we're

615
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: gonna be real and honest and authentic, I'm at a

616
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: Lakers game and Kyrie Irving rolls up on me. I

617
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: got my back to I feel a slap in the back.

618
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: Lakers playing playoffs and Kyrie rolls up on me. I

619
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: just want to see if you're gonna have that same

620
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: energy in my face and I looked right at him.

621
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: I said, do I look any different? Do I sound

622
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: any different? I'm right here, And then he humbled me.

623
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: He said, quote, yo, dog, at this point, it ain't

624
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 3: even about me and you. It's really about you and

625
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: my father. And you got me up in this mix.

626
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: And it was like a punch in the face because

627
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: at that moment I was like, I didn't realize it.

628
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: And at that moment, I was like, you're right. And

629
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: if you notice, at Laker games, our seats on the

630
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: opposite side, across from the Lakers bench, but down so

631
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: it's across from the visitor's bench and down baseline. I

632
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: left Kyrie that second, walked over to my seat, and

633
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: I text his dad and I said, Kyrie just said

634
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: this to me. He's right. If you want to meet,

635
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: I will meet with you. I flew back to New York.

636
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: The next week, me and his dad met up. We talked.

637
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: We both fested up to what we did wrong to

638
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: each other as men. He apologized. I apologized, and I

639
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 3: apologized even more so because he ain't the journalist with

640
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: the public platform. That was me. So I said I

641
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: was wrong even more so than you. I apologize your

642
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: son was right. You're right. It will never happen again.

643
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: And me and Pops have been cool ever since. We

644
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: even text each other from time to time. How you doing,

645
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: how's everything going, or whatever, because that's what men do.

646
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: You know, I was wrong, and I have to own

647
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: up to that. You know, when I was years ago,

648
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: you know, one of the things stories that I'm associated

649
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Speaker 3: with his Glenn big Dog Robinson, and how he felt

650
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: about me, and that's one of those times where it

651
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 3: could have gotten ugly, you know, because he wanted to

652
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 3: do some things to me, you know what I'm saying,

653
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 3: and I wanted to do some things to him, and

654
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: because I thought that he had gotten the coach fired

655
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: Randieers after he succeeded Larry Brown and stuff like that.

656
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: We got into it in the Denver locker room, got

657
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: my face blah blah blah, la ain't nobody backing up.

658
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: And when that happened, the hostility that existed spanning years

659
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Speaker 3: to the point where like we would stay each other

660
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Speaker 3: down and then people like just walking between us because

661
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: they just like this, this is unnecessary, it's ugly and

662
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: all this other stuff, and it hit me there, I

663
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 3: was wrong. Too, because my position was as a black man,

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Speaker 3: to do that to that coach his first head coaching

665
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Speaker 3: job in the NBA. You know, you five at the

666
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 3: fifty two games. He ain't gonna get another opportunity. You

667
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: wouldn't have done that to George car You wouldn't have

668
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: done that the lab Brown, but you did it to him.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. But then I said, wait a minute.

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Speaker 3: I'm usually pretty damn good at this. I didn't zero

671
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Speaker 3: in on my professionalism. I let it go in my commentary.

672
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: But also what really hit me his son was in

673
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Speaker 3: Houston and they had a game. I'm trying to remember.

674
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Speaker 3: I think it was the Warriors game against the Rockets.

675
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Speaker 3: Playoffs all the side, and I forgive me if I

676
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: don't remember the regular season playoffs. But I saw his son,

677
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: and his son was hesitant to speak to me. I

678
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Speaker 3: didn't go up to talk to him. I just walked

679
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: by Glenn robson the third and I just walked up

680
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Speaker 3: and I saw how nervous he looked, like I was

681
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Speaker 3: going to do something wrong to him, and I said nah,

682
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Speaker 3: And I rolled right up on him and I said,

683
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: whatever happened with me and your dad, it's my fault

684
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: professional journalists. I'm the one that's got this platform. I said,

685
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have taken it this far. I don't want

686
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 3: you thinking for one second than anything that you do

687
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: is gonna be influenced by me and your dad's relationship.

688
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: I've never seen Glenn Robinson again, but I told him,

689
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Speaker 3: if I see your dad, I will walk up to

690
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 3: your dad and I will apologize, because that ain't right.

691
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 3: You know, when you see a kid ain't got nothing

692
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: to do with it, he walking around fidgety about what

693
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Speaker 3: you're gonna say about him or what I'm like. Damn

694
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: you know that I can't let that happen. And so

695
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: those are the two I only bring up those two

696
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Speaker 3: incidents because those are the two incidences that stand out,

697
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: and those are the one the two incidences where I

698
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Speaker 3: genuinely feel I was.

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Speaker 6: Wrong and I.

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Speaker 3: Was wrong. It's not often I feel wrong, but those

701
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: are two incidentss where clearly I felt I should have

702
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: been the bigger and the better man and I wasn't.

703
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Speaker 4: So I mean, it says a lot about the integrity

704
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Speaker 4: the character of the man yourself speaking of, because that's

705
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Speaker 4: why players would trust you. I feel like you were

706
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 4: one of the first guys I ever heard about. I

707
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 4: got sources. I got sources, and that became a thing,

708
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 4: and it was like everybody's talking to CVNA, like how

709
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Speaker 4: does he get there? Before there was a wove, it

710
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 4: was like we got a it's coming from you first.

711
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: When I came the free agents or the trades, it

712
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Speaker 4: was you. So I'm wondering from winstin stalem See to

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Speaker 4: beat writer for the Philadelphia Inquiry to being on the

714
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Speaker 4: ESPN I told you beforehand, I was there when you

715
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Speaker 4: were ESPN Radio in New York Suthern ten fifty at noon,

716
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Speaker 4: this is this is part of my lunch break, to

717
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Speaker 4: being on TV, to having first take, to being the

718
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Speaker 4: EP of the show, and now for all likelihood having

719
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 4: the crown when it comes to sports media. Was this

720
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 4: all part of the plan or are we finding new

721
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 4: avenues as your career is expanding, your finding new experiences.

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Speaker 3: I think it's both. It was always part of my

723
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 3: plan to be recognized as great as being great at

724
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Speaker 3: what I do. And they say I'm great at television.

725
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Speaker 3: We'll go with that. I don't know whether it's true

726
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: or not, but I'm gonna take it. You know, it's

727
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: a blessing to be number one. It's a blessing to

728
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 3: be at the top of the heap. I didn't see

729
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: that coming, and that's because of fans like yourself and

730
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: others out there that have supported me throughout the years.

731
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Speaker 3: Who the hell would I be if I didn't have

732
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Speaker 3: that support. So I'm humbled in regards to that. I

733
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Speaker 3: know that my blessings come from some from from above,

734
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Speaker 3: and I'm constantly mindful of that. But I also know

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Speaker 3: why I give myself credit is my relentless pursuit for

736
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: success and for excellence A and just as significant of

737
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Speaker 3: an A. It's basically understanding how to see the forest

738
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Speaker 3: from the trees. When I was in Philadelphia at the

739
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: Philaelphin in quir recovering the seventy six Ers in two

740
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Speaker 3: thousand and one, this was what changed the course of

741
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 3: my career. I'm breaking stories. They got this guy Phil

742
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 3: Jazz and the God Arrested Soul used to write for

743
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: Philelphia Daily News covering the Sixers for decades, and they

744
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: had these other writers and it got to a point

745
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: where everything basketball wise, it was my town. If there

746
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Speaker 3: was a story coming out of New Philadelphia in the

747
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: sport of basketball. It was coming through me. I was

748
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: just I was on a roll and I was that successful.

749
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Speaker 3: And the seventy sixers get to the finals, they make

750
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Speaker 3: that run Vince and Ai and the semifinals Toronto Philadelphia

751
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: going back, dropping fifty plus on each other. It was unbelievable.

752
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: It was so that series was so sensational. Toronto had

753
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 3: beaten Philly with Vince Carter I think scoring fifty four

754
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: that night, and Billy King was like, are you seeing this?

755
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Speaker 3: This is fantastic. After loss, He's like, I ain't never

756
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: seen nothing like this. I mean, these cats going at

757
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: it like I mean he was. It was like it

758
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: was that kind of atmosphere between Toronto and Philadelphia. It

759
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: was electric. Man. And then in the finals, Philly went

760
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: in the Conference finals, they went against Big Dog and

761
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 3: and Ray Allen and Sam Counsell and those boys. Both

762
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 3: series went seven games. Philadelphia went. And then in Game

763
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Speaker 3: one of the NBA Finals, it's the first time I

764
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: ever met Denzel Washington. I'm at the Staples Center, which

765
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 3: is just open, and I'm walking towards the tunnel and

766
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Speaker 3: somebody comes up and wraps their arm around me, and

767
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Speaker 3: it's Denzel I had never met him. He's like, so

768
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Speaker 3: tell me what the Lake's gonna do. The Lake's gonna

769
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Speaker 3: do this. You know what I'm saying as the first

770
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: time I ever met him. And I said, oh, this

771
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 3: is done in five, y'all. God damn. He was like,

772
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Speaker 3: anybody got no answer for Shack and Kobe on a

773
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: come up? I mean, sopful a. They got no shot,

774
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Speaker 3: I said, And I said, well, he said why not?

775
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: Why not? A sweet why five? And I said the

776
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: same thing that I said on a national sports report

777
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: on Fox Sports. I said, AI get you on. It

778
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: was my exact words, AI get you on. He drove

779
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Speaker 3: forty eight, Game one, stepped over ty Lou, you know,

780
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: did his thing, blah blah blah. Through those playoffs, me

781
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 3: being number one, I was reduced to writing an eight

782
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: hundred word article and that was it. Trying to build

783
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: subscribers for the newspaper. They brought in the investigative team

784
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 3: to features write, a team and people from other departments

785
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: all pouring in writing every possible thing they could about

786
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: the playoffs because subscribers was buying a newspaper and that's

787
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: how they was making their money. And I was like,

788
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: not that you don't know it's about money, because you

789
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: get you get that everything's about money, but it's slapped

790
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: me in the face. My level of production, what I

791
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: was bringing to the table meant nothing to them. Nothing.

792
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: All they cared about was generating those dollars through subscribers

793
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: and folks buying the newspapers during the playoffs, shot through

794
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: the playoff front. So it was an eye open up

795
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: for me because it just refreshed my mind and reminded

796
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: me that everything comes down to business. And so think

797
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 3: the money, where's the money at, where's it coming from,

798
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: what's gonna where the money's gonna get funneled from. Pay

799
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: attention to that as you move forward. And that's how

800
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 3: sports talk radio. You getting paid seventy five hundred thousand

801
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: for the newspaper, you getting paid three four hundred, five

802
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 3: hundred thousand for radio, you know, you getting paid a

803
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: million for television. That's how it was back how much

804
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Speaker 3: it was the beat writ again at that time for me,

805
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: I was at about seventy five thousand. No, but it

806
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 3: was ultimately because I started working for CNNSI and then

807
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: after that Fox Sports Philadelphia wanted to keep me in

808
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: toe so they came to me and they had boosted

809
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: my salary up to one hundred and fifty thousand, right

810
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: plus you know Fox Sports, I was getting about another

811
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy five thousand, So I'm like, cool,

812
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: that was good. But I'm just saying that for me.

813
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: I saw that, and I said, newspaper's dying. You saw

814
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: the cachet of ESPN, dot com elevator, you saw digital

815
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: coming into play. You saw newspapers they were panicky because

816
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 3: the executive was talking about there was a subscriber base

817
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: was dipping and stuff. And suddenly I started That's when

818
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: I went from reading the sports sections to reading the

819
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 3: Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal in Bloomberg News,

820
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: and you know, I started reading those things paying attention. Okay,

821
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Speaker 3: the economy, they're saying this is bad right now. They're

822
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: talking about inflation, they talk about this that all right,

823
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 3: the unemployment rate is dipping because you know, when white

824
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 3: folks catch cold, black folks catching pneumonia, so it's always

825
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: worse for us. So I'm like, whatever the situation was,

826
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's gonna be worse for us. And I'm like,

827
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Speaker 3: what am I gonna do? The position myself and from

828
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Speaker 3: that point forward, I would always be forward thinking in

829
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Speaker 3: that regard.

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Speaker 5: So with that being said, we're in a new age

831
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Speaker 5: of media now where we're seeing independent shows, even people

832
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Speaker 5: that have, you know, strong followings that they've built from television,

833
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 5: like a Shannon Sharp and he's going crazy with Club Shasha,

834
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Speaker 5: and then we see Cam and May starting their own show.

835
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Speaker 5: You started your own independent show, but you said it's

836
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Speaker 5: not a podcast, it's a show. And we see the

837
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Speaker 5: Ringer being sold for two hundred million, So it's so

838
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Speaker 5: much money that's being generated.

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Speaker 2: Right.

840
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Speaker 6: ESPN laid off I think, like how many thirty people

841
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Speaker 6: a couple months ago.

842
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Speaker 3: Troy from the analyst side, I mean Disney.

843
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 5: No, just in general from that broadcasting team. They laid

844
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 5: off a lot of people people. So how do you

845
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Speaker 5: see the media business pivoting on the economic side and

846
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 5: what's your plan personally?

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00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: Well, podcast wise, it's already pivoted. You've got thousands upon

848
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: thousands of podcasts, so there's no way to get around that.

849
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Speaker 3: I'm proud of my man, Shannon Sharp, Club Shay Shay

850
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: doing his thing, no doubt about it. The Cat Williams

851
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 3: interview was off the chain and I think more than

852
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 3: half of his subscribers came because of that interview alone,

853
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: So major, major props to him for pulling that off

854
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 3: and doing what he did, and he deserves a lot

855
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: of credit. But Nightcap ain't nothing to sleep on either

856
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 3: with him and o Cho Senko may and kill and

857
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Speaker 3: give it arenas you know, so major props to them

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Speaker 3: for that. But I would tell you that you know,

859
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: when you see the paradigm shifting in our media business,

860
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: it's because the public has stated we're not interested in

861
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 3: linear television as much as we have. What people are

862
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: confused about is that doesn't mean they're not interested in

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Speaker 2: Homeland Security.

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Speaker 3: Phone they want to be able to watch it on

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Speaker 3: their iPad or their laptop or whatever. And not only that,

921
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Speaker 3: if you really really think about it, it's nothing different

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Speaker 3: than what society has done for ages. Youngsters dictate the direction.

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Speaker 3: They may not pay the bills, but they dictate the direction.

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Speaker 3: So it's like a kid that's growing up right, Well,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I don't feel like doing this. I

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Speaker 3: feel like doing that. I want to go to the movies,

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Speaker 3: but then after that, I want to go to the

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Speaker 3: amusement partner. Then out there. I want to go to

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Speaker 3: Cony of You in New York, You and Brooklyn. I

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Speaker 3: want to go to Coney Island. Well, hell, I want

931
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Speaker 3: to go to six Flags. Well, damn it, not six Flags. Now,

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Speaker 3: I want to go to six Flags down in Virginia. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Oh by the way, now let me go to Disneyland.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's the Anaheim. Oh damn it, Disney World. I'd

935
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Speaker 3: rather go there. You see what I'm saying. History has

936
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Speaker 3: shown us that these transitions, that trans that take place,

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Speaker 3: it's dictated by our youth. Not financed by it, but

938
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Speaker 3: dictated by it. Because if you're a parent, you're going

939
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Speaker 3: to give the kid what they want for the most part,

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Speaker 3: if you can afford to do it and they deserve it. Well,

941
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Speaker 3: guess what. That's exactly what's happening now. The kids are

942
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Speaker 3: telling the parents who happen to be executives at the

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Speaker 3: linear networks, this is what we want. Not only that,

944
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Speaker 3: streaming has proliferated, and so when you look at Amazon, Apple,

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Speaker 3: you know, Netflix and everybody else with you know, Prime Video,

946
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Speaker 3: all of this stuff. They've created different platforms that has

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Speaker 3: forced the linear world to capitulate to the direction that

948
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Speaker 3: it's going in sooner than it would have liked. And

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Speaker 3: as a result, you're seeing a dwindling number. But it

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Speaker 3: makes me laugh being at ESPN when people act like

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Speaker 3: ESPN is losing this audience. No, we're not. We're just

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Speaker 3: losing it on digital. I'm sorry, on linear, me losing

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Speaker 3: it in digital stratos fere go. Check out ESPN YouTube's number,

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Speaker 3: esben YouTube numbers. Look at them compared to everybody else.

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Speaker 3: Look at their numbers. You understand they can talk about

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Speaker 3: Disney Plus and stuff all they want to. Well, we're

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Speaker 3: talking billions upon billions of dollars that are being generated.

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Speaker 3: You saw that there was recently a shareholders meeting where

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Speaker 3: it maintained Viviger remaining as the CEO of Walt Disney.

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Speaker 3: What has he been talking about? We ain't losing. We

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Speaker 3: ruling out Disney Plus. We've seen them drop the ESPN

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Speaker 3: phone in the past. We've seen them drop other stuff

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Speaker 3: in the past. How come you ain't say goodbye to

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Speaker 3: Disney Plus? How come you ain't say good bye to

965
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Speaker 3: the ESPN plus because there's money to be generated there.

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Speaker 3: You just got a master. They are trying to figure

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Speaker 3: out what to do with ESPN. Yes, no, no, but

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00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: that's only because again, as a linear platform. As a

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Speaker 3: linear platform, okay, we might pair with Warner Brothers and

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Speaker 3: Fox and what have you, because we got to compete

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Speaker 3: with the market cap that is Amazon and Apple, all right,

972
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Speaker 3: and even combined they're worth about a little under four

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Speaker 3: hundred ESPN, Warner Brothers, Discovery, Fox, you worth about under

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Speaker 3: four hundred billion. Well, Apple, Amazon, y'all know this better

975
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Speaker 3: than me, because y'all experts in this field. There worth

976
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Speaker 3: nearly three trillion apiece. So that's what you're competing with.

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Speaker 3: They just don't choose to specialize in the sports landscape

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Speaker 3: the way that ESPN does. So what I'm saying to

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Speaker 3: you is you come to me years ago. I now

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Speaker 3: knew none of this. I paid attention to none of this.

981
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Speaker 3: But now I'm looking at everything that's transpiring and how

982
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: they're doing business where our audience lies. You can't tell me,

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Speaker 3: for example, first Take. This is the success story of

984
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Speaker 3: First Take in an age where the linear audience is

985
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Speaker 3: dwindling and fading and shows are getting canceled. Our ratings

986
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: are up. We're at a point now where I'm measured

987
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Speaker 3: against me, the show is measured against it year over year.

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Speaker 6: This is what all right?

989
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Speaker 3: We up year over year for twenty consecutive months, We've

990
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Speaker 3: been up year over year. That's bringing in over five

991
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Speaker 3: hundred thousand viewers. Did you know that annually on ESPN

992
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Speaker 3: digital like YouTube stuff like that. I myself, by myself,

993
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Speaker 3: generates over two billion views a year annually by myself

994
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Speaker 3: for ESPN, for ESPN on YouTube, ESPN YouTube stuff like that. Yes,

995
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: So I'm saying their platforms over two billion by myself.

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Speaker 3: And so when when I look at that, I'm like,

997
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 3: how could in a less audience. Of course, we still

998
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Speaker 3: have the audience. They're just watching us in different platforms

999
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Speaker 3: and you got to know what those platforms are and

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Speaker 3: how to monetize it so you know how to make

1001
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: your money. But the audience hasn't faded. It's just that

1002
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Speaker 3: they've said, we want to watch y'all on different platforms.

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Speaker 3: We don't want to rely on the TV to do it.

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Speaker 4: So this is, I mean's a couple of things to unpack.

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Speaker 4: The Yes, the one thing that ESPN does have that

1006
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Speaker 4: the Apples and vasions don't. Amazon has the MLB and

1007
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Speaker 4: Apple has them, right, everybody's trying to get into live sports. Yeah,

1008
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Speaker 4: obviously ESPN has it with the NFL pretty much every league.

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Speaker 4: As you know, you're watching that as a businessman. Obviously

1010
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Speaker 4: you're you're working for the company, but as a businessman,

1011
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 4: you're starting to see the club. Chase's right, like, yes,

1012
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 4: you have your own YouTube channel, right, six hundred thousand subscribers,

1013
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 4: congratulations on that, thank you.

1014
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 3: Right.

1015
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 4: We saw Ryan Clark recently use that as leverage to negotiate.

1016
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 4: So as you're building the I P are you you're

1017
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 4: looking at this like this is also my leverage, right,

1018
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 4: because it's, it's it's. It comes to a point now

1019
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 4: where if you're watching ESPN like we watch McAfee, it's

1020
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Speaker 4: well documented the amount of money he's making, which is

1021
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Speaker 4: congrats to him because it's a totally different format.

1022
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Speaker 3: Fees. It's working.

1023
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Speaker 4: But you watch the landscape, right, you see everybody at Fox,

1024
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Speaker 4: you see CBS, right, you see ak Men, right, Steven

1025
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 4: a more popular than all these guys. Are you building

1026
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 4: the leverage in terms of you know what my turn

1027
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 4: is coming? Let's talk.

1028
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Speaker 3: I already have, I mean get twenty nineteen. I mean

1029
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: we saw it. Let me be very clear that it

1030
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 3: was always the intent. My time's come, they have been.

1031
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 3: The clock is running. No, I'm good.

1032
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 4: Let me explain that to the people who may not know.

1033
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Speaker 4: Right twenty nineteen, you have the five year deal. Everybody

1034
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Speaker 4: sows a five year deal.

1035
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: My deal ends in June of twenty twenty five, So

1036
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Speaker 3: next year, yes, next something. The clock is on next, next,

1037
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Speaker 3: next June. My deal ends. But talks ain't gonna happen

1038
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Speaker 3: in next June. It's gonna happen a long time before that.

1039
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 3: That's number one. Number two. I say that, and you

1040
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 3: know I love being on this platform. Talking to y'all

1041
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: because we talk in business. We ain't responding to idiotic

1042
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 3: trolls that are like, yo, you know this is what

1043
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 3: he wants. You don't know what I want. Correct, Okay,

1044
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 3: you don't know what I want. Let me be very clear.

1045
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: I'll state exactly what I want on this show right now.

1046
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 3: I want to position myself to stay the best, to

1047
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 3: be as profitable as I can possibly be, and to

1048
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 3: be not just a revenue generator, but a revenue sharer.

1049
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Speaker 3: That is what I am after. It is always what

1050
00:56:55,160 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 3: I was after. But people don't realize that when you

1051
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 3: talk about this, because you brought up the questions. So

1052
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get to your point about you know, in

1053
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: terms of my plan and building my stuff and what

1054
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 3: it was all about. Everybody knows. ESPN five me. In

1055
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, we had a contract dispute. I

1056
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: thought that I deserved more than they offered. I was

1057
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 3: appalled at the offer they made me. I did not

1058
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: like it. I did not appreciate it. I felt disrespected

1059
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: and I said no, not realizing that they were going

1060
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 3: to say, effort, you can leave, and that they had

1061
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 3: all the leverage on the planet because the same person

1062
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,919
Speaker 3: that saw the forest from the trees and newspaper got

1063
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 3: cocky and didn't pay attention to the landscape in television

1064
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Speaker 3: and two thousand and eight going into two thousand and nine.

1065
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 3: So I'm here thinking, just make sure my phone's turned off.

1066
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 3: So I'm here thinking, fellas.

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Speaker 2: Man.

1068
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 3: They screaming my name. They know me everywhere. I'm on commercials,

1069
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 3: I'm on the side of buses. Please shit, I'm the man.

1070
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 3: Of course you're gonna pay me. No, I wasn't on

1071
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 3: the definitive show. I wasn an appointment viewing. Remember quite

1072
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Speaker 3: frankly my show on ESPN two from two thousand and

1073
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Speaker 3: five to two thousand seven and got canceled in two

1074
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Speaker 3: thousand and seven. Remember I was on the NBA Countdown.

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00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 3: Got pulled off from NBA Countdown in two thousand and eight.

1076
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 3: So all I had was radio, which was expendable, and

1077
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 3: sports and appearances. You didn't have a definitive place where

1078
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 3: you knew to catch me. So what did they do

1079
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 3: under the old regime. They signed me a contract in

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Speaker 3: two thousand and eight. They give me six hundred thousand

1081
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 3: dollars less than what I had turned down, okay, and

1082
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 3: less at than what their initial offer was. Right then

1083
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 3: on top of it all, they kept me off the

1084
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: air all of a sudden, y'all didn't see me, you

1085
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: didn't hear me. What happened to stephen A still in

1086
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: the contract, still employed, showing up to a game in

1087
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Speaker 3: Atlanta for the playoffs from Miami and Atlanta. It's all

1088
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 3: of my books, straight shooter showing up to the game,

1089
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,479
Speaker 3: and I'm writing for ESPN dot com and I wasn't

1090
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 3: allowed on Sports Center. You're talking about a brother that

1091
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 3: would be on the air, and went from being on

1092
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Speaker 3: the air two hundred and fifty to three hundred days

1093
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 3: out of the year to being on the air three times,

1094
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 3: and so as a result, out of sight, out of mind.

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00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 3: So when the additional contract came or when the contract

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00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: came down in two thousand and nine that I was

1097
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 3: looking for, there was no contract. We've decided were going

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Speaker 3: to move in a different direction, and I had no

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01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 3: recourse because they had spent the year the previous year

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Speaker 3: diluting my potency because I wasn't seen nor heard from

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Speaker 3: by the audience, and ultimately it stripped me or whatever

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Speaker 3: potency I had, I had no leverage. And then on

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Speaker 3: top of it all. Let's call it what it is.

1104
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Speaker 3: I'm a brother. So what happens is is that you

1105
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 3: get let go or there must be sinno. He might

1106
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 3: not be somebody we want to mess with. We don't

1107
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 3: need to touch him. And and I was toast and

1108
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 3: that reality hit me, and it was the scariest shit

1109
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 3: that ever happened to me. Because I'm a new dad.

1110
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 3: I'm unemployed. You know, I had lost my job at

1111
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Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Inquiry at the time because I was beefing

1112
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 3: with new management because they didn't want me there any

1113
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: longer because I was doing so much work in New

1114
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 3: York for ESPN and I was never in Philly, and

1115
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 3: so everything came like a tsunami all at one time.

1116
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 3: And so when that experience happened, and ultimately I'm unemployed

1117
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 3: for ten and a half months, living off my savings. Okay,

1118
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 3: from that point forward, I get back into Fox Sports Radio.

1119
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 3: I get a guid that's the former president of Cumulus Radio,

1120
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 3: Mike McVeigh, that is tutoring me on radio on how

1121
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 3: to do radio right, but more importantly, prioritizing with me

1122
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 3: the importance of learning the business. You thought you were popular,

1123
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 3: but you didn't know where was your data, what was

1124
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 3: your ratings? What kind of revenue did you have did

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01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 3: you generate? Do we know where to find you? Are

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Speaker 3: you appointment viewing? And when I saw all of that

1127
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 3: and I recognized that, I said, the worst thing they

1128
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 3: could possibly do is give me a shot, a second chance,

1129
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 3: because what happens is is that I'm gonna study this business.

1130
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 3: So I get back in Skip Bayles's comes to me.

1131
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 3: Bys's no, not a call. We're in a parking lot

1132
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 3: of Bristol, Connecticut, ESPN headquarters outside of building four. Skip says,

1133
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 3: I know you got your dreams and your visits are

1134
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 3: doing NBA blah blah blah, he said, but I need you.

1135
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 3: He didn't need me for ratings, they were doing fine,

1136
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 3: but on an everyday basis, he needed someone he felt

1137
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 3: he could trust on a five day a week basis

1138
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 3: that was gonna bring that heat, bring that energy, and

1139
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 3: somebody he felt and his words wasn't gonna backstab them.

1140
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:33,479
Speaker 3: And so he said, there's only one man, and he said,

1141
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 3: I need you to do this for me. Remember in

1142
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 3: two thousand and one, they were gonna give us our

1143
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 3: own show to go up against PTI. When we were

1144
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 3: both at Fox. But what happened was is that at

1145
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 3: the eleventh hour, for some reason, David Hill, the boss

1146
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 3: of the Fox at the time, they'll go with it.

1147
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 3: And so fast forward, this is eleven years later and

1148
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 3: here we are, and he asked me to do it.

1149
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 3: I thought about it, and I said, he's right, because

1150
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 3: I want my own show. They probably ain't gonna get

1151
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: me my own show again. They gonna probably leave me

1152
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 3: on the NBA or whatever. This is the thing to do.

1153
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 3: Let me go ahead and do it. I come on board.

1154
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 3: We skyrocket to number one in one month. One month

1155
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 3: we were number one on the ESPN two, which was

1156
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 3: a big deal because the ESPN two wasn't getting that

1157
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 3: kind of shine. And then from that point forward everything happened.

1158
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 3: And so now we fast forward twenty fifteen and then

1159
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 3: ultimately twenty and nineteen and negotiations take place, and I'm

1160
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 3: a different beast because I walk in there and it's

1161
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 3: no ain't no emotion. These are my numbers. This is

1162
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 3: what I deserve. Can I have that place? Well, Steven,

1163
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 3: we think you deserved to say, okay, but these are

1164
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 3: my numbers. And instead of them saying go after yourself,

1165
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 3: they were here, I was here, We met here. You

1166
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying, and so from that point forward,

1167
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 3: it just prioritized for me knowing the business. We fast

1168
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 3: forward to now the business has changed. It's about you

1169
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 3: got so many people about podcasting. Listen. I didn't want

1170
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 3: to advertise this to everybody or whatever. And I'm not

1171
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 3: saying it's not a podcast. I got a great deal

1172
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 3: with our Heart Radio for the next year and a

1173
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 3: couple of months or so that expires co terminus with

1174
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 3: my ESPN contract. You know when that key is being

1175
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 3: contract and so does everything else. You know, for me,

1176
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 3: from a negotiating standpoint, that's best suited for me, that's

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01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 3: what I negotiated. Yes, it's a podcast. In terms of

1178
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 3: the audio portion. I built the studio. I built a

1179
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,439
Speaker 3: television studio. When you look at First Take or Get

1180
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,439
Speaker 3: Up or shows like that, the PTZ cameras, the JIB

1181
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 3: and the JIB operators and the producers, that's what I have.

1182
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 3: I'm not here for a podcast. I'm here for a show.

1183
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 3: I'm here to not just produce my show, but to

1184
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 3: find young talent to produce shows for. I'm not here

1185
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 3: to do just the sports show. I could do a

1186
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 3: late night show. I could do a daytime show. I

1187
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 3: could do a political show similar to Real Time with

1188
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 3: Bill Maher, the Daily Show, you know, stuff like that.

1189
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 3: It can go in any direction. The space that I

1190
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 3: do it in is rented. Everything in the space is

1191
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 3: owned by me with the sole express purpose of building

1192
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 3: Mister Sas Productions, which is my production company. So when

1193
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 3: people are talking about a podcast or whatever, first of all,

1194
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 3: my podcast it was never a sports podcast. It was

1195
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 3: listed under what is it a society in society and culture?

1196
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 3: Society and culture. That's number one, number two. It was

1197
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 3: that way. If you remember, it was originally called No Mercy.

1198
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 3: I wasn't allowed to use my name initially, and then

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Speaker 3: ESPN gave me permission later because I still have an

1200
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 3: employee contract, I had to carve out my independence. So

1201
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 3: all of these years, people like yourselves and great, by

1202
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 3: the way, major congratulations to y'all. Y'all got a damn

1203
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 3: million followers crowd now doing y'all thing. Major props to

1204
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 3: y'all well deserved, well deserved. But what I'm saying is, well,

1205
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 3: what y'all are doing. I said this to Shannon because

1206
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 3: Shannon's like, don't you think about doing this. Don't you

1207
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: think about doing that? I said, Yo, Shannon, You're a

1208
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 3: former athlete, a three time super Bowl champion, Hall of Famer,

1209
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 3: Cam and Mace hip hop artists doing their thing. You

1210
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 3: brothers doing your thing. You got to remember I didn't

1211
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 3: have that independence. I had an employee contract, and when

1212
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 3: I came back in two thousand and nine, I wasn't

1213
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: in a position to have my independence. I haven't now,

1214
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 3: and so now it's a different animal because this is

1215
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 3: what I waited for.

1216
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 5: Now.

1217
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 3: I hesitate to say those kind of things often because

1218
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 3: to people it's a license for them to assume I

1219
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 3: want to leave ESPN. I'm not happy at ESPN. I'm

1220
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: not happy at Disney. Couldn't be further from the truth.

1221
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 3: I got a great job, I got a great bosses.

1222
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 3: I got a personal relationship with Bob Iger, to Jimmy

1223
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 3: Pittarro down Den Bergland, the powers that be on speed dial.

1224
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 3: I just finished talking to President this morning. I have

1225
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 3: it like that within that company period. Okay, but they

1226
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 3: understand business better than me, and if the opportunity is

1227
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 3: great for me to stay, I'm happy to stay. If

1228
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 3: they feel differently than I do, then I got to

1229
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 3: be ready to make moves. But it's a beautiful thing

1230
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 3: because the level of freedom that y'all have had, that

1231
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 3: athletes have, that former athletes have, former artists or present

1232
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 3: artists have, I never had. I have been an employee

1233
01:07:53,760 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 3: all my life, full time employee, meaning one until a

1234
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 3: year ago when I carved out the independence to do

1235
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 3: my podcast, to build my production company, and to have

1236
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 3: that separate and apart from ESPN. So when everybody looks

1237
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 3: and they're saying, you know, I'm doing this, I'm doing that,

1238
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 3: and I'm looking at the numbers, but I'm looking at

1239
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 3: cats been doing this, doing this for years, doing that

1240
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 3: for years. You know. Major props to the mcafees of

1241
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 3: the world to build Simmons of the world. Joe Rogan's

1242
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 3: a beast. I mean, these guys are phenomenal, make no

1243
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 3: mistake about it. They deserve all the credits in the world.

1244
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 3: They've been doing this seven, eight, twelve, twenty years. I'm

1245
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 3: at one. I'm coming. This is what I've been waiting

1246
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 3: for all my life. So I'm fifty six and i

1247
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 3: feel like I'm going on twenty six. I'm just getting started.

1248
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 3: Because I've never had had the freedom and what so

1249
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 3: many of these fools and social media and the trolls

1250
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 3: and all of them don't realize it. You brothers, the

1251
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 3: brothers that I mentioned, Shay Shay, you know, all of

1252
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 3: these cats, the athletes, y'all will never know how thankful

1253
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 3: I am to y'all because y'all had a level of

1254
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 3: courage and bravery to exercise your freedom. I didn't have

1255
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 3: the freedom, so I didn't have the courage to push

1256
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 3: for it for so long until recently. That's why you

1257
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 3: see me when people call you like, damn, he did

1258
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 3: this interview, He did this interview, He did that interview.

1259
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 3: It's my way of showing my gratitude because everybody that's

1260
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 3: doing it, it's like, yo, y'all, I'm not hating. I'm thankful,

1261
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Even with Pat McAfee. I mean,

1262
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 3: I'm a brother. He's a white boy, know say and

1263
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 3: white doing and all of that stuff, because we know

1264
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 3: the rules are different for them than it is for us.

1265
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 3: But I can't even tell you how grateful I am

1266
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 3: to him. He came and ESPN gave him that Wait

1267
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 3: a minute, they gave him now he on YouTube, Well

1268
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 3: what they gonna get to the brother that's literally on

1269
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 3: ESPN and has been there for twenty years. I wrote

1270
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 3: down the numbers. You see what I'm saying. Those are

1271
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 3: those are the kind of things that I'm talking about.

1272
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 3: And so I'm looking at Bill Simmons, you Spotify, and

1273
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Joe Rogan and Spotify and now Apple.

1274
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 3: I'm watching it all. And when I come to the table, yeah,

1275
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have all those numbers. Yeah, can I read

1276
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 3: some of them? Sure? All right? So we talked about McAfee.

1277
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 4: He has a five year deal seventeen million a year,

1278
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 4: Troy Aikman at Fox eighteen million a year, Joe Buck,

1279
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a Hall of Fame talent fifteen million

1280
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 4: a year. And we know Romo, and we just thought

1281
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Speaker 4: what Tom Brady got? That's what did Tom Brady get

1282
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 4: over three hundred and fifty million more than he made

1283
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Speaker 4: it as an entire football playing how many years?

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Speaker 3: I think ten years, ten years.

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Speaker 9: It's a ten year, three hundred and fifty seven million

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Speaker 9: dollars deal. Before we leave three hundred and seventy five

1287
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Speaker 9: minut I'm glad you said that, though, before we leave,

1288
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 9: I mean, if you rush me it's fine, I'm good,

1289
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 9: but that Jalen wrote, but I wanted to just say

1290
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Speaker 9: something I don't want to forget. He interviewed Jalen Rose,

1291
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 9: and he brought up a good point that I never

1292
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 9: thought about before. All those names that you just named, Shot,

1293
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 9: they're all excellent, but they're all also white men. So

1294
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 9: his thing is that sports football and basketball, which dominate

1295
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 9: the ratings, are dominated by black people for the most part,

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Speaker 9: and he felt that he had an issue that why

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01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 9: is there no black people that's getting paid at the

1298
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 9: highest level when there's obviously a lot of black people

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Speaker 9: that are qualified that have played the sports, that have

1300
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 9: not played the sports but still know about the sports,

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01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 9: like yourself, and he when he kind of went through

1302
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 9: these numbers, and I never really looked at it like

1303
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 9: that because nobody really looks at how much, you know,

1304
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 9: sports analysts are making. But I'm like, damn, that's that's

1305
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 9: that's interesting and it's pretty alarming as well. Right, So

1306
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 9: what's your take on that?

1307
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Speaker 3: Well, my take is, let me be the elder statesman. Yeah,

1308
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 3: all right, we got to grow up and learn that

1309
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 3: there's a game that has to be played in every

1310
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 3: walk of life. Do you see the stuff that's happened

1311
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 3: in our political stratosphere. You think Barack Obama didn't want

1312
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 3: to curse a few people are could you imagine what

1313
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 3: Michelle Michell Obam from Chicago. Could you imagine what that

1314
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 3: sister wanted to say to some of these people she

1315
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 3: had to deal with. Let me tell you what our

1316
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 3: problem is as black people, and I'm gonna say it

1317
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 3: because I can. When Michelle and Barack Obama didn't do that,

1318
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 3: we instantly understood you can't do that. They're trying to

1319
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 3: win to presidency. It's gonna cost the vault, right, we

1320
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 3: understand that. But when it comes to our own selves

1321
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 3: in corporate America, we don't get that. All of a sudden,

1322
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 3: we got selective amnesia. That's nonsense. That's nonsense. It's not

1323
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 3: about whether Jalen Rose is right or not, because I'm

1324
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 3: not refuting what he's saying the point that he was

1325
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 3: bringing up. But there's a game that has to be played.

1326
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 3: Did you play it well enough? Because Hee in two

1327
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 3: thousand and nine, I didn't, and I got burned. Now

1328
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 3: if I said that, when white folks catch a cold,

1329
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 3: black folks catching the modia, meaning that it's always gonna

1330
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 3: be worse for us than it is for white folks.

1331
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 3: Ain't that another way of saying that. Ain't that an

1332
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 3: example that falls under that umbrella. So this is me

1333
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 3: if I knew y'all personally and we vibed one another,

1334
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 3: and you trusted me with your business in terms of

1335
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 3: just confiding in me, right, and then I see you

1336
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 3: doing something because you told me what your goals were

1337
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 3: and what your ambitions were. But then I see you

1338
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 3: doing something that's gonna compromise that, I'm gonna pick up

1339
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 3: the phone.

1340
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 6: And call you.

1341
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 3: You broke up, come in, Uh huh, because you said

1342
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 3: this was your goal. And the reason I use that

1343
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: analogy I'll never forget. And if you ever speak to him,

1344
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 3: you can ask him. Scoop Jackson, Chicago sports writer. It's

1345
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 3: my dog. I love that brother, love him to death.

1346
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 6: Right.

1347
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 3: I would go up to school. I did go off

1348
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,560
Speaker 3: to school because only one time I went up to

1349
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 3: him years ago, and I like, yo, bro, brilliant basketball, mind,

1350
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 3: brilliant writer, the whole nine. Please understand, you got to

1351
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 3: look the part blah blah blah blah. You know saying

1352
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 3: Justin can't always be baggy jeans and the whole all

1353
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 3: of this other stuff. I don't care about none of that.

1354
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 3: I got to be me at all times, all course,

1355
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 3: even if it's dressed like this. Is how I addressed Eve,

1356
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 3: and I said, you don't mind it affecting your money?

1357
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 3: He said not at all. I said, my dog, because

1358
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 3: he said I don't mind it affecting my money. Now,

1359
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 3: if he had said, I still want to make this,

1360
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 3: I'd have been like, now, I see now, I got

1361
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 3: a problem with you because I'm because the formulas at

1362
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 3: some point, at every it changes. It's not the same

1363
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 3: now but back in the day, because this was back

1364
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 3: in the day. Back in the day, the formula was

1365
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:21,799
Speaker 3: the formula.

1366
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 7: Right.

1367
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 3: I just happened to love dressing shop because I've been

1368
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 3: dressing poor. I grew up dressing poor, and I believe

1369
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 3: in dressing with fly ass clothes. That's our business wise.

1370
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 3: That's just me. But but that's it's not everybody. But

1371
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 3: I'm saying I'm good. I was good with him because

1372
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 3: he accepted that. You got a lot of people who don't.

1373
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 3: They want to come to people like y'all, and they

1374
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 3: want to talk about the unfairness and the inequities that

1375
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 3: exist when we all know as black men, they exist.

1376
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 3: So what you're gonna do to maneuval your way around it.

1377
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 3: You could be in the financial sector, you know things

1378
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 3: I hope to know. There are things that you know

1379
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 3: good and damn well, you got to deal with that.

1380
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 3: Ain't fair, It ain't right. That ain't on an up

1381
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 3: and up. But it comes with it. And so for me,

1382
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 3: there's a way that you have to maneuver your way

1383
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 3: around it. It'll never make them right for paying some

1384
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 3: folks other than they pay others. But you brought up

1385
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 3: the names of ESPN. Let me tell you something right now,

1386
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 3: I can sit here as a black man and tell

1387
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 3: you I don't have a single solitary problem with any

1388
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 3: dollars they paid to anybody. Pat McAfee was kicking ass

1389
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 3: with over two million subscribers on YouTube when they decided

1390
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 3: we want to embrace the world of digital and this

1391
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 3: is a dude that we can do that with. There's

1392
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 3: nothing to talk about with Troy Aikman and Joe Buck.

1393
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 3: You do understanding, No, No, that's not the reason is

1394
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 3: that do you understand they pay for themselves?

1395
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:51,879
Speaker 6: What do you mean they pay for themselves?

1396
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 3: Because they're calling a game. People watch it, not just

1397
01:16:55,960 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 3: that the NFL will what us to have a game

1398
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 3: because their voice is on it. So in other words,

1399
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 3: what I'm saying to you is, when you look at it,

1400
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 3: this no secret Troy Aikman and Joe Buck if they're

1401
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 3: not there, I don't know the answer to this. I'm guessing,

1402
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 3: but damn it is me. So it's a pretty educated guest.

1403
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 3: Where we're talking about sports media ESPN. I'm willing to

1404
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 3: bet that we would not have had the Dallas Cowboys

1405
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 3: Tampa Bay Buccaneers playoff game if Troy eight Men and

1406
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 3: Joe Bunk weren't calling it. You know how much money

1407
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 3: that one game generates for a network? They pay for themselves.

1408
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 3: They pay for themselves. Anybody that would look You look

1409
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 3: at a Kirk curvesheet, ABC, Amazon, You look at Mike

1410
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 3: Greenberg Morning Show, the Ultimate Host. You look at the

1411
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 3: people that they paid. My god, Tom Brady, that's Fox. Yes.

1412
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 3: Tom Brady is a seven time champion who, by the way,

1413
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 3: is pretty damn articulate, can be very opinionated. Just go

1414
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 3: watch him on the Steven A. Schiptcher. When I interviewed

1415
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 3: them on YouTube channel a few months ago. Listen to

1416
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 3: this brother talk football. He had the audition, and they

1417
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 3: probably said, oh shit, this we got some in here,

1418
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 3: gonna lock this brother for ten years. That's not it.

1419
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 3: What I've said is I pay attention to all of

1420
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 3: those numbers because my turn is coming. Espn never came.

1421
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 3: They never heard me come to them and say, rip

1422
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 3: up my contract. I don't want to honor it. They

1423
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 3: never heard me say I ain't showing up to work.

1424
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 3: I want more. No, all anybody has heard me say,

1425
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 3: people who succeed at a very high level usually get

1426
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 3: awarded according to the market. So all I do is

1427
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 3: watch the market. No one wrote for folks to make

1428
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 3: money in this business more than me, because I'm looking

1429
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 3: at the market and I'm going like this, ah, franchise,

1430
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 3: That's how much money's out here, franchise And I'm loving it.

1431
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm saying it's like it makes me laugh. Like now

1432
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 3: we got Shannon shopping. He was on Fox and his

1433
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 3: career was over and all of this nonsense. Now, I

1434
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 3: wasn'tletting that happen to that brother. Okay, oh but damn

1435
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 3: he on first take.

1436
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 7: Now.

1437
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's also got club Shashae and he's also

1438
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 3: got nightcap, and I'm like, hmm, well, where was he

1439
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 3: in year one? Because this is what he's doing now, major,

1440
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 3: major props to him. But I'm not violating his trust

1441
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 3: by telling you what I told him. This is my

1442
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 3: first year. I got over six hundred thousan subscribers since

1443
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 3: I was allowed to use my name. Y'all know about

1444
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 3: the algorithm's YouTube and all of that stuff. Ain't nobody

1445
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 3: calling up No Mercy. They called up stephen A, and

1446
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 3: No Mercy wouldn't pop up. So now that it's the

1447
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 3: steven A. Smith Shaw gets, guess what pops up. That's

1448
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 3: why I've got over six hundred thousand subscribers in year one.

1449
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 3: I'm looking at that, and the mistake people make is

1450
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 3: they think, oh, we ESPN, what you're gonna do? You

1451
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 3: gonna pay them? Nah, I'm very confident that ESPN is

1452
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 3: gonna be fair by me. If they're not, then that's

1453
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 3: a different story. But don't I don't think that's gonna

1454
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 3: be a problem. I tell you, my bosses show nothing

1455
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 3: but love to me. My point is, I'm shocked that

1456
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:48,719
Speaker 3: everybody hasn't brought up all the other opportunities because there's

1457
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 3: a big world out there, and I'm coming to it

1458
01:20:54,120 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 3: for the first time. I am. I got the excent

1459
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 3: of a twenty six year.

1460
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 4: I want to talk about because he brought up Shannon,

1461
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 4: but I want to talk about something that that doesn't

1462
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 4: get brought up a lot. Yeah, And as part of

1463
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 4: I attributed to a part of your legacy, and that's

1464
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 4: the doors that you're opening for others. So you are

1465
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 4: the executive producer on First Take, sir, we can get

1466
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 4: into the roles at that place, but opening the doors

1467
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 4: for Dani Orlowski, having Molly on their Marcus Spears, every

1468
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 4: single Clark, every person, every person on it's hand picked

1469
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 4: by you and handpicked by me. I think a jj

1470
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 4: Reddick and his first encounters were on First Take. You

1471
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 4: now see him have a show with Lebron. It's like

1472
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 4: that starts from having that dialogue and going back and forth.

1473
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 3: And figuring out talk about how intentional.

1474
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 4: You are about making sure that not your legacy, but

1475
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 4: the legacy of journalistic integrity in this space means to you.

1476
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 3: Well, I don't mind talking about both. Journalistic integrity obviously

1477
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 3: is significantly important to me, which is why I acknowledged

1478
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 3: with Kyrie's dad, with Big Dog Robinson, I was wrong

1479
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 3: because when you're wrong, you're wrong. And you know, especially

1480
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 3: when it comes to us as men, as black men,

1481
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 3: you ain't worth a damn if you can't admit when

1482
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 3: you're wrong, if you know in your heart you feel

1483
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 3: you wrong, if you can't admit that, you ain't worth nothing.

1484
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 3: So I'm definitely about that, but also about the fact

1485
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 3: that you know, journalistic integrity matters, because I want anybody

1486
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 3: that's in front of me to know that I live

1487
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 3: on that. And what I mean by that is this,

1488
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what I feel, whatever your story is,

1489
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 3: you have a right to tell. Even at my worst,

1490
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 3: with those two incidences, if they said something, if there

1491
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 3: was something that was there, I never, ever, ever in

1492
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 3: my career have intentionally reported it's something false. I don't

1493
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 3: take stuff out of context. I don't do that. I

1494
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 3: don't live I will put my personal integrity and humanity

1495
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,879
Speaker 3: on center stage. Name the time and place and the audience,

1496
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 3: and I'll show up. That's me. That's what I live on.

1497
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 3: So that in that regard journalistic integrity. Absolutely on a

1498
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 3: personal side, man, it's amazing what age does to you.

1499
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:35,600
Speaker 3: When I think about myself two years ago I'm in

1500
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 3: the hospital. It's New Year's Eve. I got COVID. I

1501
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 3: got double pneumonia in both lungs. I'm not breathing while

1502
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 3: doctors tell me we're gonna try the steroid and it's

1503
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 3: an about it. It's your work in about three to

1504
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 3: four hours. If it doesn't work, we gotta call your

1505
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 3: family in the world trouble. It was that bad, and

1506
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it, because, you know, God bless her.

1507
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 3: You know, very few people on the planet are closer

1508
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 3: to me, to my youngest sister, Carmen. I got four

1509
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 3: older sisters. She's my youngest. My sister Carmon and I

1510
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 3: are very very tight, but calm and smokes every day.

1511
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 3: Carmen got COVID on a Friday. She was find that Monday,

1512
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 3: and I'm sitting there. I don't do this stuff, and

1513
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 3: I'm on death's door and I'm like, you gotta be

1514
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 3: kidding me. Comet believe it, you know. And I experienced

1515
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 3: that I had had surgery on both shoulders, both torm

1516
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 3: rotator cuffs and both shoulders, needs that I hadn't addressed

1517
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 3: in years. I dressed all of that, and then I

1518
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 3: had this going on and I had so much happen

1519
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 3: to me that a few months later, because I couldn't

1520
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 3: do anything, I couldn't get in the weight room, I

1521
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 3: couldn't get in the gym and train, nothing like that.

1522
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 3: It was months months later before I could do that

1523
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 3: when a doctor finally told me, you get to go.

1524
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 6: Oh.

1525
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 3: I've been in the gym ever since. I've lost about

1526
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 3: thirty eight pounds thirty eight to forty pounds. Body fat

1527
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 3: was at twenty nine point six percent. It's at ten

1528
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 3: point four eleven now. I got to get back to

1529
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 3: ten point four to ten. It was at ten point

1530
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 3: four two weeks ago. Cholesterol was over three hundred down

1531
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 3: to two hundred. I was on a verge of being

1532
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 3: a full blown diabetic. My insolent resistant levels, they said,

1533
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 3: was at a twenty seven. I dropped it down to two.

1534
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 3: I did all of this, and I feel better than

1535
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 3: I felt since I was in my early twenties. That's

1536
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 3: how good I feel compared to what I once was

1537
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. I bring all of that

1538
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 3: up to say, my life is going this way if

1539
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 3: all I got to show for it is what I benefit.

1540
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 3: I just woke up one day and I didn't feel good.

1541
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,679
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, man, there's a lot of brothers

1542
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 3: and sisters out here that could use my help, my expertise,

1543
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 3: what I bring to the table, Give them some shine,

1544
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 3: give them some my opportunity. And it became more important

1545
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 3: to me. Not to say that it wasn't before, but

1546
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 3: it became more important to me than ever before to

1547
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 3: be somebody who gives back. I smiled when Ryan Clark

1548
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 3: got his new contract. I smiled when Shannon got an

1549
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 3: extension to the deal that's gonna keep him through the

1550
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 3: NBA season, Because when I originally signed him, he's only

1551
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 3: supposed to be on till the Super bowls Now he's

1552
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 3: now he's on through the rest of the NBA season,

1553
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 3: and I'm quite sure they're gonna give him something down

1554
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 3: the line. The dan Olowski's the Marcus Spears of the world.

1555
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 3: You know JJ Reddick, you know, I mean, don't get

1556
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 3: me right of the I mean we we we're cool

1557
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 3: with each other, but I don't know him like that.

1558
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 3: But I got a tremendous respect Molly, you know, my

1559
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 3: matriarch on the show, and what she brings to the table.

1560
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 3: The Kimberly Mars Monica mcnuts of the world call the

1561
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 3: nick Games and all of this other stuff. First Take

1562
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 3: is a flagship platform now that you that that takes

1563
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 3: folks in springboardwards them for additional opportunities, and they were

1564
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 3: handpicked by me. And it makes me feel good, It

1565
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 3: really really does. Man. I don't I don't know how

1566
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 3: to explain it, but you know, I don't want to

1567
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 3: sound too damn old, but I damn They'll feel like

1568
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 3: a proud parent when I see these folks maximizing the

1569
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 3: opportunities and taking advantage of Because when Max and I

1570
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 3: Max Killerman and our party ways, when when we when

1571
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 3: they when they handed the show to me as an EP,

1572
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 3: I knew what they were doing. Yes, so on you

1573
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 3: now get it done or else? You know. It was

1574
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 3: like that. And I went to all of these contributors

1575
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 3: one by one, called them or met him face to face.

1576
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 3: Jeff Saturday, let me not forget him too that I

1577
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 3: think he does a fantastic job for Paul Fine, bamb

1578
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 3: you know, Joe Fort and Bab with the gambling gaming,

1579
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 3: all of these people. I went to them, everybody that

1580
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 3: contributes the First Take, and I said, this is what

1581
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 3: I need from you, everybody's different. What you'll give me

1582
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 3: on first ticket is different than what you might give me.

1583
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 3: Everybody's a different personality, different diction, different tenor different momentum, energy, etc.

1584
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 3: And I studied each of them and I said, this

1585
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:17,600
Speaker 3: is what I need. And I don't know if anybody

1586
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 3: in the business can say this. We got about thirteen

1587
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 3: different contributors on the show. Every single one of them

1588
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 3: stepped up, every one of them. I don't have one

1589
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 3: single complaint. Mad Though Russell let me forget him. I

1590
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 3: don't have one single complaint Damian Woody, Dominique Foxworth, Bart Scott,

1591
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 3: Chris Canty, all of these guys. I don't have one

1592
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 3: single individual that has let me down. And I'm not

1593
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 3: talking about totality. I'm talking about every day they come on,

1594
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 3: every single one of them. Even when JJ Reddick and

1595
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 3: I got into it a couple of times on the ear,

1596
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 3: I had to go on the air and tell people

1597
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 3: stand down. I asked them to do that. Come right

1598
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 3: at me, you got something to say say it, Just

1599
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 3: be able to take it. It's all I asked. Kendrick Perkers,

1600
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 3: let me not forget my brother. You know, stuff like that.

1601
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 3: You know, Jay Williams, all of them. I can't say

1602
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 3: enough about him. I mean, I sit here as a

1603
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 3: very very grateful individual. And Shannon Listen, I didn't know

1604
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 3: him that well. I knew him, like he said when

1605
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 3: he was on the Talk months ago. He was like,

1606
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 3: I knew him, but I ain't on him. Same here.

1607
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:30,600
Speaker 3: I know him, but I ain't know him. You know,

1608
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 3: we said alo to one another. He got on me

1609
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 3: about eating too many damn crunchberdies. I had that belly

1610
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 3: needs to get rid of it, the whole nine. I'll

1611
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 3: never say a negative word about Skip Baylor's ever. That's

1612
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 3: my man. He got me started on first take. Who

1613
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 3: knows where my future would be if Skip Baylor's didn't

1614
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 3: afford me that opportunity. I don't agree with everything he

1615
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 3: says or does, but I'll always have love for him

1616
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 3: because of my gratitude to him. But I saw what

1617
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 3: had happened to Shannon, and I knew I was there before.

1618
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 3: When they let me go in two thousand and nine,

1619
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 3: I didn't have it. Stephen A. Smith, who was an

1620
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 3: executive producer for his show on a major network, to

1621
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 3: watch my back, and I brought him. I told him,

1622
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 3: you want to come to first take. I got you

1623
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 3: and all this brother all he wants. Respect him, No

1624
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 3: disrespect him.

1625
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 6: That's it.

1626
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 3: You're set. I'm saying three times, Suo Bow Champion, hall

1627
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,560
Speaker 3: of Famer. You know what I'm saying, Yo, man, respect me.

1628
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 3: It's all he wanted, se easy requests. He got no

1629
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 3: choice but to respect somebody with those credentials. And this

1630
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 3: brother comes on the air every Monday and Tuesday, bro Fellas,

1631
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 3: he brings the rain, brings the rain. He's doing all

1632
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,560
Speaker 3: the stuff he's doing. But there's no short change in

1633
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 3: Ryan Clark, Pivot, no short change in Swag Gool Kendrick,

1634
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,639
Speaker 3: all of them. No short changing. Nobody let me down.

1635
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,440
Speaker 3: And that's why I've been so successful.

1636
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,719
Speaker 5: Well, Stephen A has been an honor and a pleasure.

1637
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 5: Y'are a scholar and gentleman. Thank you for taking the time.

1638
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,799
Speaker 5: And you know a lot of information that was provided

1639
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 5: that I think people can actually learn from because it's money.

1640
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,719
Speaker 5: That's why we created the platform right to actually provide

1641
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 5: a blueprint for people that have done it in real

1642
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 5: time and people that are on to come up to

1643
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 5: learn from. So I think you know you've gave a

1644
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 5: lot of insight and he was extremely transparent about your

1645
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 5: own personal story.

1646
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:29,600
Speaker 6: So thank you for that.

1647
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 3: Sure, I appreciate it, man. And tell y'all y'all doing

1648
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 3: a great job, man. And just look, y'all interview a

1649
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 3: lot of people, You ask a lot of questions, but

1650
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 3: there's a lot of knowledge that y'all have to drop.

1651
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 3: So keep dropping it because we all needed all of us,

1652
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 3: you know, And especially with the way the industry is changing,

1653
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 3: the way it's evolving, the opportunities that are out there,

1654
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 3: the opportunities that are going to potentially get missed, et cetera,

1655
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:56,639
Speaker 3: et cetera, it's incredibly, incredibly important that y'all keep bringing

1656
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 3: a voice to all of this kind of stuff. And

1657
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 3: that's why I addressed it when you brought up the

1658
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 3: whole Jalen Rose point in terms about knowing the game

1659
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 3: and all of this other stuff and not just knowing

1660
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 3: the game, because he definitely knows the game, but it's

1661
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:09,600
Speaker 3: got to be your willingness to play it, because the

1662
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 3: industry is going to demand that you have a level

1663
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 3: of tolerance before it surrenders some of its assets to you.

1664
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 3: If you don't prove yourself to be somebody that they

1665
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 3: can trust to surrender some of those assets to you.

1666
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 3: They're gonna know you're never gonna get it, and if

1667
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 3: you don't get it, they're gonna give it to somebody else,

1668
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 3: and far more often than not, it's gonna be somebody

1669
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 3: that don't look like us. And so you just got

1670
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 3: to keep that in mind. And I think with brothers

1671
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 3: like yourself really educating us and talking to us about

1672
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 3: business and about the mind fields that exist out there,

1673
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 3: I hope that you realize how pivotal that is moving forward,

1674
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 3: because now more than ever, we gonna need it. I'm

1675
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 3: sitting here in my position and I'm telling you I

1676
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 3: needed so imagine how many other people are gonna need

1677
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 3: it as well. So keep bringing it, keep bringing it.

1678
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 6: Thank you, and you could watch the show on your YouTube.

1679
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,600
Speaker 3: Channel, Stephen A. Smith Show YouTube.

1680
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 5: A with Apple, Spotify and Uncle Spotify everybody everywhere else.

1681
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 6: All right, God, thank you for rocking on with us.

1682
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 6: We'll see you next week. Peace.

1683
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 3: Peace.

1684
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 1: An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child

1685
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 1: in Massachusetts. An MS thirteen gang member from El Salvador

1686
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Speaker 1: accused of murdering a Texas man of Venezuelan charged with

1687
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Speaker 1: filming and selling child pornography in Michigan. These are just

1688
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: some of the heinous migrant criminals caught because of President

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01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:43,000
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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand illegal aliens have been arrested. If you

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Speaker 1: one thousand dollars a day, imprisoned, and deported. You will

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Speaker 1: never return. But if you register using our CBP home

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Speaker 1: app and leave now, you could be allowed to return legally.

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Speaker 1: Do what's right.

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Speaker 3: Leave now.

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Speaker 1: Under President Trump, America's laws, border and families.

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Speaker 2: Will be protected. Sponsored by the United States Department of

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Speaker 2: Homeland Security.