WEBVTT - Week 13 recap 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:06.040 The Around the NFL Podcast would be a good bit 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:10.360 for Chip Kelly's office. Welcome back to another edition of 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.119 the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:16.480 and I'm joined, but I room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:22.320 Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal. What is up boys? Hey Dan, 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:27.480 Happy Sunday to you. What a Sunday, Great day in 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.000 the NFL. Not just for me, because some things broke 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.800 the old Zeuser's way, which is always you know, it's 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.560 nice when that happens. When the third person comes out 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.320 within thirty seconds of the show. Absolutely that's a sign 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.360 right there. But also there are a lot of great 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.160 games today, a lot of action, a lot of big plays, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.879 a lot of missed extra points, which I believe the 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.080 league believes that makes a more exciting league. Uh and 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.720 perhaps perhaps it does, west I think so. But a 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:55.720 lot a lot of show out there to get to. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.240 And this is our big Sunday recap show where we 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.200 go over every game. I like I've said before, I 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.000 like to look it at it like you know inside 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.360 the NFL used to do with Len Dawson, Nick Bonacantie. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.040 We give every game the respect it deserves, and we 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:11.880 go through each game, we break it down, because that's 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.039 how why you give me that look, Greg. Well, well, 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.000 maybe a couple of games will we'll respect a little less, 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.080 but there will be ravens. Let's not give it too 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.840 much respect, right. It's it's been such a good I mean, 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.120 you know last week, I think it was last Sunday's show, 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.679 I was running by a slogan that I was going 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.080 to pitch to the higher ups. Remember it was NFL 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.240 never been better, right that? I got two new ones. 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.600 You guys, let me know what you think. Uh, the 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:45.240 NFL get a load of this action not solid alright, alright, 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.120 there's this one too, NFL um. I think I'm a 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.760 fan for life like that. I like it. That just 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.360 rolls right off the tongue. You can fit that easily 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.880 on bumper stickers. You know. It sells it is that 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.000 Dan loves it, and that shows that shows the listener 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.560 and in the NFL fans out there. If you love it, 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.880 everyone's gonna love it. I like that. I like that 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.560 outlook on things, Greg. Today's show coming up, we have 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.080 the showdown between the Saints and Panthers, which became a 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.840 shootout down on the Superdome, the Saint showing a pulse, 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.760 the Patriots the throne of ease. We have some trouble 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.359 Greg on the throne of ease, and we'll talk about that. 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.920 Also Sunday Night football, the Pittsburgh Steelers taking on Matt 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.079 Hasselbeck and the Colts. Hasselbeck looking to move to five 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:34.480 and oh, so we'll talk about whether that happened the NFL. UM. 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.440 I think I'm a fan for life, That's what I'm thinking. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.400 This is before the show. You know, Dan was giggling 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.400 to himself for four or five minutes, and now we 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:44.959 know what that one got me. I don't know why. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.280 I think it just works pay off for the three 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:51.680 of us. So as well as just wait till, wait 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.000 till the feedback online, people are gonna be connecting with us. 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.799 I got a feeling. Um, all right, let's get right 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.600 to the games, because there's a lot of football. There 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.920 are no buys uh to speak up, So let's go. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.079 And let's start with those Carolina Panthers who entered UH 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.320 this week undefeated as we all know, UH, and they 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.800 remained that way. Cam Newton through for five touchdowns for 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.840 the second time in three weeks and the Panthers fought 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.840 off a pesky and potent Saints offense and a forty 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.520 one thirty eight win at the Superdome. Chris Westling the 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.440 mail Man, the Panthers are twelve and oh and Cam 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.440 Newton might be the new favorite for league m v 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.359 P AM I crazy. I don't think that's crazy. Greg 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.040 likes to say that nobody's hotter than Russell Wilson right now, 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.640 Cam Newton's got to be close. In week ten, he 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:37.920 started a game eleven for eleven for the first time 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.560 in his career. In Week eleven, he through five touchdowns 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.760 for the first time in his career. And week thirteen, 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.640 he throws five touchdowns again and completed fifteen consecutive passes 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.880 at one point. Excellent game by Cam Newton. Tag again 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:54.920 dropped a pair of would be touching long touchdown. Gotta 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:56.760 watch the tape to believe that he catches like one 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.320 out of three wide open touchdowns, right, that's like the average. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.600 It's good if you're a short stopping you're up to bat, 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.840 but it's not good as a wide receiver. But this 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.200 is a game where the Panthers. Every team, even sixteen 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.480 and oh teams have sloppy games. They had three first 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.800 half turnovers. The defense, which had been really stingy, allowed 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.000 four touchdowns and then again two drops. They actually have 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.760 about five or six drops on the game. So to 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.080 pull out a win, it speaks to how well cam 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:27.000 Newton's playing and really the whole team, the whole undefeated 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.800 season came down to a fourth down. This fourth quarter 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:34.160 had so many back and forth How about this West 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:35.919 you watched the closest of any of it. Is this 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.000 one of the games of the year in the NFL 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:39.599 right now? I mean, so much went on in this 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.360 fourth quarter. It was a good game. I think right 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.599 now we've got like fourteen games of the year. But yeah, 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.400 it's there were four or five lead changes and you 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.880 had a shootout, So that always qualifies for a game 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.320 of the year. How does Carolina give up this many 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.040 points with what we've seen do on defense in general, 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.080 I would just attribute to pure sloppiness. I mean they 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.200 were on the road. You're gonna have a couple the 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.359 games like this a year, and you know the Saints 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:06.719 have a pretty loaded offense. Coverage breakdowns to Kurt Coleman, 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:11.000 Defensive Player of the Year candidate, false, I would say 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.400 provo candidate, though I mean behind only Reggie Nelson with 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.440 six interceptions, and really a credit to Dave Gettleman who 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.279 finds these under the radar free agents every year, and 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.880 they're coaching staff, Sean McDermott, the defensive coordinator, Ron Rivera. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.479 They turn all these guys into good players. Reminds me 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.920 of what Arizona does and what the Patriots do, which 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.240 is groom your own players, but also find players that 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.120 don't work in other systems and make them work in 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.680 your own playing for Sean McDermott and Philadelphia. So that 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:40.479 was a good thing, right, I'm I'm kind of kiddy 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.320 about that. Although Josh Norman, who you mentioned, is definitely 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.599 a candidate. He's the one in coverage on Brandon Cooks 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.440 on the decisive play in the game where the Saints 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.000 that they don't even care try to set up a 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.000 field goal. Instead they just go for it a bomb 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.080 down the field to Brandon Cooks. Norman was in good position, 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.200 although Cook's kind of turned the wrong way. Didn't seem 0:05:58.240 --> 0:05:59.960 like they were on the same page. What do we 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.640 um looking at for the rest of the season right now? 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.839 Is this going to happen? Well? They've got at Atlanta 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:07.880 or where they have home to Atlanta, at the New 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:12.240 York Giants, then at Atlanta, then Tampa Bay. So I 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.240 think the Falcons have lost five straight games, why not 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.279 the reeling The Giants look like to me, they've got 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.880 Eli Manning, O'Dell Beckham and nothing else. And then the 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.480 Bucks are a wild card. But that's four games. You 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.559 would have to think the Panthers will be heavy favor 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.480 And then after the game, after a game where Saints 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.359 probably one of the best games of the year and 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.680 yet you lose at home, Sean Payton immediately starts talking 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.880 about the ref mark. Yeah, he went crazy afterwards. I mean, 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:38.680 according to the Beat writers, one of them said, I've 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.679 never seen him so livid, and he was specifically upset 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.159 about a pair of in his in his estimation of 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.120 incidents where twelve men were on the field for the 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.440 Panthers twice not called. He basically said, listen around the 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:54.479 country on Friday nights, they refs catch that high school ball. Dan, 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:56.800 Come on, I used to cover high school ball and 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.279 the refs aren't very good because they're high school referees. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.760 That's what he's saying. John Payton also asked about Brandon Browner. 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.640 You know, in Dennis Allen, the new coordinator, yelling at 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.320 each other on the sideline, Browner got right in his face, 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.200 and Payton just reacts with a very dismissive I'll go 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.040 blog about it. It's like it's like the fiftieth sideline 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.640 argument this year that Sean Payton says, Oh, it's not 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:20.280 a big deal, don't look away, don't don't worry about it. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.920 Brandon Browner has been the worst cornerback in the NFL 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.160 this year. Three more penalties today, gave up two touchdowns. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.680 There was a three p three play sequence where he 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.239 got burned by Ted Ginn who dropped the ball. Devin 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.640 Funches dropped the ball with him in coverage, and then 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.560 Corey Brown burned him and he Cam Newton over threw 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.000 Corey Brown. But three straight plays Brandon Browner. The craziest 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.520 thing too, about that is that everyone knows that Rob 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.720 Ryan is struggled as a defensive court and now he's 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:49.640 you know, down to Tijuana getting drunk, enjoying himself some 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.240 Santa Monica just the other day. Yeah, I think he 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.200 was on the way to Tijuana. There you go, But 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.080 how bad do the Saints have to be. Everybody knows 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.280 Brown Brandon Brown is the worst cornerback in the league. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.480 That he still has a job after all these weeks, 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.120 it tells you a lot about what's going on there. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.160 He has twenty penalties, which is the most in the 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:07.040 league by a lot. Delvin bro their other cornerback, has 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.600 eleven penalties, which is the second most. Tom brou Well 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.880 done five touchdowns away from breaking the record for passing 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.080 touchdowns allowed. Right, yes, disaster. So the Saints are bad. 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.920 The Panthers are very very good. Twelve and oh and 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:24.160 flirting with immortality. Oh, Mercury Morris, what are you gonna do? Enough? 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:30.800 Thank you? Moving on the new New England Patriots where tenant? 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:35.480 Oh about I don't know one week ago? Right now? Now? 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.800 Things get a little dicey here, legitimate trouble on the 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.600 throne of ease perhaps. The Philadelphia Eagles collected a punt 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.000 return for a touchdown, a punt block for a touchdown, 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.480 and a ninety nine yard pick six by Malcolm Jenkins 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.959 to build a huge lead over the Patriots. They held 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.640 on win in Foxborough. The Pats had a nice comeback, 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:59.559 but it fell short. Greg the Patriots shield of invincibility 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:04.360 has and compromised. Yes or no? No, Well they never 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.080 were invincible. Who says they were invincible? That's you putting 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:11.880 it on him, you know, storm clouds. Oh no, that's 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.480 not good. The charbs, they don't. They're like gremlins. They 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.520 can't get well, you gotta get inside, you can't get 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.880 rained on. This is a painful game to watch as 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.920 a fan, but it was also just one of those games. 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.000 I mean that this is only the third time in 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.880 NFL history that those returns that you're talking about have 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.760 ever happened in the same games. I mean, their special 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:36.000 teams got absolutely destroyed. Tom Brady throws a pick six 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.840 on the goal line where he gets pressured a play 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.920 after James White comes about a yard short of the 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:43.840 end zone, and he really should have scored on it 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.040 on a long pass, a screen pass to him. Everything 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.320 that could have gone wrong went wrong for them in 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.679 this game. That doesn't take away from the fact that 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.679 there are legitimate concerns. Tom Brady got hurt hit thirteen times. 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.920 It's obvious their offense isn't nearly the same without Gronk 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.880 and Edelman on a field, So those are problems, but 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.240 there was also a very strange game. The Eagles had 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:09.439 more return yards than yards midway through the fourth quarter. No, no, no, 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.680 what the kind of game is that it was thirty five, 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.160 it was fourteen nothing. And then because we don't get 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.160 to see it too often, but the Eagles trying to 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.040 run out the clock is one of the funniest things 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.360 to watch ever. There in shotgun. They don't know what 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.640 to do. It's like Stan Bradford rolling out and then 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.199 sliding down the line of scrimmage. But also they got 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.120 the job done because this game, this game almost got away. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.920 You had the fourteen midway through the fourth quarter, they 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.840 get the Patriots get the touchdown, the onside kick, another touchdown, 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.880 and it's like, oh, here we go. And then they 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.920 got the they gotta stop after a miss attempt at 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.320 an onside kick for a second time. And then Tommy 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.680 Boy couldn't get down the field be traded by his 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.400 own receivers. Brandon LaFell with a drop, Scott Chandler's had 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:54.439 drops all the time. Keyshan Martin is playing significant important 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.880 snaps for them as an outside receiver. I mean, the 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.120 worst playing football right now is throwing it deep the 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.640 Brandon LaFell. It's a disaster and it cost Brady an 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.439 interception on one play where he thought LaFell was gonna 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.720 go one way, he went the other. He threw an interception. 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.480 LaFell jogged on another one where he let up and 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:11.960 it looked like that could have been a big play. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:13.480 It's just been a big problem. You know, when it's 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.360 bad news, guys for the Patriots is when Greg who 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.040 keeps it together on Twitter you very rarely, let's just 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.840 frustration get the best of him when he's tweeting out, 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:26.000 like snarky comments about Brandon LaFell. Deep routes was the 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.839 tweet that's something they were over forty seven throwing to 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.720 Brandon LaFell, the Lasca. That's real fans stuff. I actually 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.000 like to see it, Greg, like creeping out of Greg 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.680 onto his social media love it well, there was. It 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.880 was interesting to be in our newsroom, which is, you know, 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.480 nineteen out of twenties Sundays, the Patriots win and it's 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.839 not the big news. But everyone was focused on this 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.720 game and these wacky plays, and I felt, Greg, you 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:49.200 were kind of in the middle of a fish bowl 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:53.520 with everyone. Well, people love it. I mean, the biggest 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.600 reaction in the entire news room all year is when 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.679 the Giants it looked like they intercepted the Patriots to 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.439 win the game, and then it turned out that place 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.440 exploded like it was the Super Bowl and in MetLife 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.200 Stadium or something. At the time, people love killing on 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.800 the Patriots, but you know that's it comes with the territory. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.880 It's all right. So we last week this time we said, oh, 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.520 don't worry about the Patriots. They'll be fine. They're gonna 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.920 get healthy. They're gonna end up with a buy most likely, 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.240 um are a little more nerves west. Now I'll ask 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.600 you this now, two straight losses, obviously the offense is 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.320 not the same with all these missing pieces, that they 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.480 might fall all the way out and have a three seed. 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.840 Here they have a three seed right now. If the 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.120 season ended today and you lose to the Eagles, that 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.320 begs the question, are you good enough to win at 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.160 Houston in week fourteen? Are you good enough to win 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.880 at the Jets in week sixteen or at Miami in 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.640 week seventeen? It will help once you get Gronk back 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.199 to me. I believe they've been outscored by twenty or 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.560 thirty points. Since Gronk went down with the knee injury. 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.839 He's the most valuable non quarterback in the league, I believe, 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.200 So maybe you get him back and things turn around. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.400 But I'm not sure they're a much better team and 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.520 been the text fing. I mean, the season takes on 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.240 a completely different complexion after the way it started. It's 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.040 suddenly you aren't one of those buy teams, right because 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.480 they haven't looked the same. And I assume that the 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.439 offense will get back and clicking once these guys get healthy. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:15.760 It's like a weird game for them to lose today. 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.160 But but there are a lot of bad things about 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.520 the game. Even if you took away all those big plays. 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.800 These two teams are playing each other fairly, even midway 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.560 through the third I mean, Tom Brady was the second 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.560 leading receiver on the Patriots until they went on that 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.120 touchdown drive to start coming back in this game because 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.400 Tom Brady caught a thirty six yard trick play which 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.560 they pulled out when they absolutely needed it, and it 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.440 worked great. But there are legitimate problems. The Broncos and 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.719 Bengals play each other, you know, coming up, so they 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:44.400 know that one of those teams is going to lose, 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.719 so to get a buy if they can somehow win out. 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.720 But you're right at Houston at the Jets are a 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:50.760 very difficult game. You would think the winner of the 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.120 Cincinnati Denver game, will they have the number one seed 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.320 in the seat at this point at this point, yeah, 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.439 but there's some they both have some tough games too. Well, 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.680 let's talk about the Denver Broncos, who went to San 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.839 Diego on Sunday and just took care of business. Danny 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.600 Trevathan had a pick six of a Philip Rivers pass 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.439 and brock Osweiler uh moved to three and oh as 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.560 a starter. The Broncos ease passed the Chargers a seventeen 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:16.040 to three win in uh what might be the penultimate 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:20.000 game at Qualcom Stadium. Again, that stadium filled with opposed 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.080 fans from the opposing team. Just a depressing site. And 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.680 as far as the Broncos go here, listen, uh they did. 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.880 This is exactly what they need to do this season, 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:30.960 at least in this early going. If this is gonna 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.880 be a brock Osweiler team, he's gonna be up and down. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.800 He's in his first year of starter. When their defense 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.640 is playing at the top of its potential, which it 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.760 did today. That they're taking a lot off the play 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.760 to the quarterback. You don't he doesn't have to make 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.000 a ton of big plays, and that's enough when you 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.160 play a team like the San Diego Chargers, that's all 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.960 you gotta do. I mean, the Philip Rivers had four 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:56.480 completions to wide receivers the entire game. UH. Granted, this 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.680 is the same Chargers team that gave up three points 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.080 two weeks ago to UH Chiefs. I believe so this 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.480 offense is not right. But the Broncos basically just outclassed 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.880 the Chargers, took care business. And yes, now they are 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.880 tied with the Patriots in terms of one loss and 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.280 have that head to head tiebreaker, So the Broncos are 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.640 in great position. Is there any reason that you try 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.000 to bring Peyton Manning back into the mix. Of this point, 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.120 the formula is finally working for Gary Kubia. I don't 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.160 see any reason he would have to Oswalder would have 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.080 to really struggle and they have to go into a 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.240 funk where they I feel like they would feel like 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.520 we need to do something because the season is flipping away, 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:33.920 slipping away with a kid that's not ready. Well there's 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.640 there's some warning science here. C J. Anderson left the 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.800 game with an injury. Vernon Davis left the game with 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.480 an injury. Brock Oswalder had a pretty poor game. I 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.320 haven't watched it, but I don't care. What happened. Ten 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.800 points against the worst defense, and well, they took the 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:49.160 air out of the ball in the second half. It 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.080 is then they didn't move the ball. I thought him 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.440 through a very costly bad interception when they were gonna, 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.280 you know, go in first point. So it wasn't I'm 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.040 sure it wasn't Oswalder's best game. That's gonna happen. And 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:00.560 when you have a great defen it's like that, it's 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.960 not that big a deal. Yes, so the defense is 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:04.920 going to carry the day. It is good to see 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:09.120 Damarius Thomas who had one catch on thirteen targets. I 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.800 still can't believe that last week he had six catches 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.440 on six targets in this game for sixty one yards 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.240 in the lone offensive touchdown. So the Broncos take care 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.560 of business and uh they are currently in position for buy. 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.200 I think the biggest thing that came out of that 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.520 Patrick Patriots game was their running game. Just how if 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.680 they can be a dominant running team, we'll see. I mean, 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.280 this wasn't that type of performance, but they can be 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:34.440 that type of team. Why not er in the Super Bow? Wow? 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.080 That would be wild. Let's move on the Battle of Ohio. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.840 That feels strong. The Cincinnati Bengals are a much better 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.560 team than the Cleveland Browns, and they showed it a 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:48.040 thirty seven to three win in Cleveland. Andy Dalton threw 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.480 two touchdowns ran for another. And the Browns are getting 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.040 more depressing by the week, aren't they? Mark Well, they are, 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:56.840 And because I think what it is. You look at 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.640 the two teams in Ohio, and it's a case studying 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.840 team building. One blows up the machine every two seasons 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.080 and then is forced to hire the last of eleven 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.960 available coaches, and the other has kept the same coach 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.120 through thicker thin, like him or not. And the talent 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.720 gap on Sunday between these two teams on both sides 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.800 of the ball, on special teams and in the coaching 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.600 circle was unbelievable to watch. It couldn't. I don't. I 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.160 cannot think of a time that these two teams were 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.600 farther apart in their destinies and where they're heading. And 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.960 if you're a Browns fan, incredibly depressing. And if you're 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.520 a Bengals fan, I really look at a team that 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.240 I do not think has completely peaked at this point. 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.840 Their offense is running on all cylinders and their defense 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.000 is playing as good as it has all season. Geno 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.920 Atkins did not show up in the box score in 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:48.399 the first half, but he absolutely dominated Cleveland's interior line. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.040 He changed the complexion of this game, and he ended 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.359 this thing along with the rest of this team. Before 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.520 the end of the first quarter. The game was absolutely 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.080 over ten minutes in. Well, you know, you know, I 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.640 love you, Mark, but I'm almost happy it's the Browns. 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.439 Get it stuck to him. They're building because this this 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.360 Johnny Manziel soap opera which they have now played a part. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.840 And it's not all Manzel, who hasn't been on his 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:10.840 best behavior. But you know, what do you what do 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.639 you expect? You're playing one of the best teams in 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.280 the NFL and you're sending out a guy that barely 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.680 should be in the league. This is what's going to happen. Well, 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.119 I don't disagree. I mean, at this point, it sounds 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.639 like you know some of the beat right. Well, I 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.080 don't have a problem with Mike Petton out of the gate, 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:28.959 sitting him for a week, and I don't think it's 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:30.920 going to change who this team is. Manziel would have 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.280 gotten killed today. It has a lot to do with 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.200 what's around the quarterback baby, But again it's all speculative. 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.760 It's like he probably would have gotten killed, but he's 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.040 not playing. So it's like here we are, We're heading 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.400 towards the middle of December, and the Browns still don't 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.119 know if they can play. They know he's a knucklehead 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:46.800 at this stage of his life, but they still don't 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:48.879 know if he can play. You tweeted out, there's no 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.600 excuse for this Brown's performance, none, Like you're talking about 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.520 the whole team, though you're not talking quarterback has been 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.119 the least of Cleveland's problems this season in general. We 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.520 talked about that last sit. This is on the defense, 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.960 number one. Both lines are not what they promised to 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.560 be coming into the season. They talked about themselves in 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.280 the off season as a as a top five secondary, 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.719 and the Bengals came in with all those things. They 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.480