1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to desperately Devoted. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 2: Think of us as your favorite neighbors as we chat 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: about life and relationships, all. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 3: While we revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together. 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm Emerson Tenny. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 2: Welcome back to another week. This week we are talking 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: about episode seventeen. Title was there won't be trumpets. That's 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: a little pressing. There will not be any trumpets. I 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: would like trumpets. You know, some podcasts have these, Like 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: my friend has a podcast where he'll go it's kind 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: of like related to time and like looking back. 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 4: At history, and so. 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: He'll say, like, you know, he'll be like, I think 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: this is where the clip clops would enter, and so 15 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: like the producers would add like a little horse going 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: copy clip copy. 17 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 5: But so maybe we can get our producer to add 18 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 5: some trumpets. 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: Yes, we need to push for trumpets because this one 20 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: is called there won't be trumpets. So I guess there 21 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: won't be any trumpets, but it would be like if 22 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: you entered a room and there were like trumpets. 23 00:00:59,560 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: Good more. 24 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: Instead, we're gonna have to add in like a wamp. 25 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 5: There's no clunk clunk, clunk down the stairs. 26 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: Okay, So this aired originally on April third in two 27 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: thousand and five, directed by Jeff Melman and written by 28 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: a bunch of guys. I love when like three people 29 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: get the credit for writing. There was a very special 30 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: guest star in this episode, Oscar winning Marlee Matlin. 31 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 5: So I just I have to say. 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 3: I know that Marley Mattlin's making her big Desperate Housewives appearance, 33 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: but I have loved her and first started loving her 34 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: on The L Word. She played this fabulous artist named 35 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 3: Jody Lerner who ends up having a kind of long 36 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: relationship with Bet Porter, who's played by Jennifer Beal. And anyway, 37 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: there's a little lesbian tea for you on Marlee, and 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: I think she's amazing. 39 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: So I was, okay, well, I have some more tea. 40 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: And it's a bit of a surprise for you too. 41 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: What is it. 42 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: I called Martha Matlin herself this morning, and her and 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: I had a conversation, but. 44 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 5: I didn't tell her I loved her in The L Word. 45 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 4: But I didn't, but her and I talked about the 46 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 4: L Word. 47 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 2: So I have written down here like lots of things 48 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: that we talked about that I'm going to share with. 49 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 4: You guys, now, yeah, yes, well, here you go. Surprise 50 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 4: Mom got to TV. 51 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: Mom got to talk to Marley Mattlin, and she was 52 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,279 Speaker 2: so gracious. She was actually on her way to Cleveland 53 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: to do a speech, like I'm sure some sort of 54 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: inspirational speech, and she was at the airport, and so 55 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 2: she got on the phone with me and I we 56 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: first bonded. 57 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 4: Over the fact that we both have a great love 58 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 4: of cats. 59 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: Her cat is a part Russian Blue, part Tabby, definitely. 60 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: She described it as a mutt, which, you know, I 61 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: told her that I've had many many cats through my 62 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: many many decades of adulthood, and almost all of them 63 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: have been mutts, which are usually the best personalities in 64 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: the So we bonded over our great love of cats. 65 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: And she also has a daughter close to your age, 66 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: twenty nine, who just had her first child to grandma. 67 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: So I feel like, yeah, there. 68 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: Was like there is some energy, like both my daughters 69 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: on the thing are kind of like splitting Marley's life 70 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: a little bit. Okay, So when I got to asking 71 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: her about the show, she did have one very specific memory, 72 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: and I think you guys are going to love this 73 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: I can't well, she said to me, I don't have 74 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: a lot of memories. But the thing I do remember 75 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: that she recalled the crew struggling so hard to not 76 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: laugh out loud as they got to the part in 77 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: the scene where her character and Lynette where she's yelling 78 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: at Lynette, but the little girl is doing the translating, 79 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: and the little the whole scene ends. 80 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 4: With Marley saying bitch, yes. And she remembers. 81 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: The whole crew like just dying, falling off their chairs 82 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: when she called Lynette a bitch. And and then we 83 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: talked about comedy, and she actually shared with me that 84 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: she really wants to do more comedy, that she's very 85 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: known for drama. Of course, she's a Oscar Oscar winner 86 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: for Children of a Lesser God and and I am. 87 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 4: We were talking about how which I really believe this, that. 88 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: The best comedy, darker not comes from being rooted in 89 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: truth and I and I was saying to her that 90 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: and complimenting her that the reason I thought that scene 91 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: was so incredible was she was rooted in such disdain 92 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: and anger with Lynette for interfering in her marriage, and 93 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: and it and and all of that sort of like 94 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: hostility led up to the comedic punchline of the word bitch, 95 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: and so she remembered that. She also remembered like the 96 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: process of getting the part she was offered it. It 97 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: came through her agent, and she said, when she approaches 98 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: things as a guest star, she's always a little nervous 99 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: and the first thing she sort of thinks about is 100 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: do I know anybody there, because it's uncomfortable for her 101 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: to go, you know, when she doesn't know anybody. And 102 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: she remembered that she knew Nicolette. And the reason she 103 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: knew Nicolette is because at the time of when La 104 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: Law is a show that was on TV a long 105 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: time ago, Marley was dating David Kelly and Nicolette was 106 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: dating Harry Hamlin, and. 107 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 4: So this is how their paths crossed. 108 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: And I was like, and I shared with her, I 109 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, does Hollywood just exist by 110 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: who stated it? 111 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: Who? 112 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 5: Like pretty much? 113 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. 114 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 6: It's kind of It's also like a little on topic 115 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 6: at the little meta for this episode, considering that it 116 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 6: explores like couples dating other couples, and then you know, 117 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 6: like it's just very interesting that that's how they were connected. 118 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also thought it was a funny connection 119 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: that one of the first kind of guest starring roles 120 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: I did was on La Law and it was quite 121 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: memorable because I was naked, and so that was a 122 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: show on I walked into Harry Hamlin's office naked because 123 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: I think I was I was like, he was my lawyer. 124 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: I was a client from like a nudist colony or 125 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: something classic and anyway, but the whole like joke or 126 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: the whole gimmick of the thing was that they had 127 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: a jar of pencils on his desk, and so when 128 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: the camera shot across Harry to me, you didn't see 129 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: my the JJ it was covered by pencils sticking out 130 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: of a pencil jar. That's my That's what I remember about. 131 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 2: But Harry Hampton and Law. 132 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 3: Well, this was an amazing surprise for both of us. 133 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,559 Speaker 1: That's so cool. That is so cool. 134 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 7: And I love that you got to talk to her 135 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 7: and that she, you know, got to share her experience 136 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 7: of being on Despert Housewives. Yeah. 137 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: I know, but she did mention that when she did 138 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: the L words, she was very comfortable because she's longtime 139 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: friends with Jennifer Beale. 140 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: So bad feel the chemistry. The chemistry was palpable and interesting. 141 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: I actually think about the L word a lot in 142 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: terms of shows that ran around the same time in 143 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 3: the early two thousands, for about as long as Desper 144 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: Housewives ran. There's actually like certain moments in the L 145 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: Word where they referenced Desper Housewives. I don't know, they're 146 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: playing running charades and no one can guess. 147 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 5: I think it's actually you, mom, Like no one can. 148 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: Guess who Terry Hatcher is, and they're like, it's like 149 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: the straight person show, Like it's the show that everybody. 150 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Desperate Housewives is this straight person show. I 151 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 7: think there was a I think we had a nice 152 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 7: solid fan base mabe. 153 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 3: In this This episode certainly explores themes of that. 154 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 5: I mean a lot happens. Obviously. We have Bunita wakes. 155 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: Up from her coma, desperate to tell Carlos Gavy's cheating 156 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: on him, only to fall down the stairs and die. 157 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 6: I mean, like, wow, what a crazy cold open again. 158 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 7: She wakes up from her coma, and I truly obviously, 159 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 7: you know, we've talked about how we don't remember these things, 160 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 7: but I was like, oh, she's awake, and I just 161 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 7: thought that was gonna she was gonna come back. 162 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: To the show, and then so quickly she dies. 163 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: As soon as you see that, as soon as you 164 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: see that yellow warning floor wet mopping. 165 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 4: Sign, you knew it was all over. 166 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: But I love so she's down and her last words 167 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: are tell Carlos his wife is cheating on him, which, 168 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: of course the nurse doesn't remember, doesn't expose, but it 169 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: did kind of make me think, like, you know, like 170 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: I would hope this would not be my last word. 171 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: Like I thought, oh. 172 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 5: God, yeah, that's saying something. 173 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's like really saying a lot of 174 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 3: things about if your last moments are trying to expose 175 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: someone else's affair, like what is the quality of the 176 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: life that you have lived up until that moment? Right? 177 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 5: Actually makes me sad for Wenita. 178 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: I know, I know it does. 179 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 7: Had such a mission, and I guess she had woken 180 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 7: up from her coma after replaying this or dreaming of 181 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 7: this opportunity to get to tell Carlos, and so when 182 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 7: she fell down the stairs and realized maybe this was 183 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 7: her last chance. I guess that's she just was like, 184 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 7: this is what I'm going to take. But it is 185 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 7: interesting right to consider what. 186 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 4: Your last words would be or do your mass moment. Yeah, no, 187 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 4: I know, I actually do. 188 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I mean death is an interesting subject, 189 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 2: and imagining your death is an interesting idea. I actually 190 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: think it's an important idea. I think, you know it's 191 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: not good to ruminate on it, but I do think 192 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 2: the more we grasphold of life, embracing the finality of 193 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: our actual death, our own mortality, I think you have 194 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: an opportunity to have a better life, you know, because 195 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: you're living it in a more present, grateful way. 196 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 4: And I mean, I don't know. I can't decide if 197 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 4: I'd rather. 198 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: Be just like hit by a bus and like just 199 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: have it be over, or like if I want to 200 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: have some slow evolving disease where I get to make 201 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: sure I say goodbye to everybody and apologize for every 202 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: last minuche. 203 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: Event that I like that you went immediately to apology 204 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: because I don't know. 205 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 5: I was thinking. 206 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: I have a family friend who passed away quite a 207 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: few years ago, but who had cancer and who knew 208 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: that he was going to die for a long time, 209 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 3: and his family friend through my dad, and I remember 210 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 3: my dad telling me that there was actually something really 211 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: beautiful about the last couple of months of his life. 212 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: They had a house out on the East Coast and 213 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: their friends came to visit him. My dad and came 214 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: out to visit him, and he said, you know, he 215 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 3: spent like maybe an hour. 216 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 5: Or two sitting in his room talking with him. 217 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 3: He was at home, and when he went to leave, 218 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: he grabbed my dad's hand and he was like bye. 219 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 5: My dad was like yeah, yeah, bye, and he was 220 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 5: like no, you know, like goodbye. 221 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 4: Oh. 222 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: And I just think it really is a kind of 223 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 3: I mean, it makes me cry, but it's also the 224 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 3: ability to know that as opposed to just all the 225 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: things that are left unsaid, I think is ultimately probably 226 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 3: a gift, although difficult to have to be that conscious. 227 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 228 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 7: It's hard to know, Like what is the if you 229 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 7: had to say and how you're you're going to go. 230 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 7: Would you rather have advanced knowledge of it or would 231 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 7: you rather it be spontaneous. 232 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: I do like the idea of going out on a laugh. 233 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 7: I like the idea of leaving, leaving my loved ones 234 00:11:58,920 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 7: with a laugh. 235 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,239 Speaker 1: I don't know what my last. 236 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 7: Words would be in that instant, something like well that's 237 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 7: my time. 238 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 5: I'm gonna say that's all for now. 239 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: You're you're you're a stand up. Then apparently they're giving down, 240 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: like yeah, you're giving the. 241 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 4: Flash, and it's like, well, that's my time. Yeah. 242 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: It's interesting the idea of like, well, now we're fantasizing 243 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 3: about death. But I do think the idea of fantasy. 244 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: It opens on Mary Alice saying, you know, what do 245 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: people dream of? And she goes through all the different 246 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: people in the hospital, the nurse who's dreaming of finally 247 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: leaving her husband, and the security man who's dreaming of 248 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 3: finally retiring, and ultimately lands on Wnita, who, before she's 249 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: woken up from her coma and died, is dreaming about 250 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: telling Carlos the truth about Gabby's affair. But I think 251 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: this ties into a larger theme of the episode too, 252 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: with Susan's fantasies about Mike and this general idea of 253 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 3: fantasy and what do we imagine for ourselves and even 254 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 3: on a what Bree has maybe imagined for her son, 255 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 3: and then how that changes when Andrew goes off to 256 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 3: the youth camp, and ultimately the revelation when he comes 257 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: out to her and Rex later in the episode. But 258 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 3: it made me think a lot about and I'm curious 259 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 3: to know but both of you what you dream of, 260 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 3: and also specifically thinking about Susan fantasizing about Mike in 261 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 3: the very beginning of the episode when he's walking by, 262 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 3: and he ultimately ends up giving her the letter that 263 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: then she's very torn up about if she reads or 264 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: doesn't read, and ultimately doesn't read. But I love the 265 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: montage of cuts of all the different ways that he 266 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 3: could like be the hero and open the door, and 267 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: I love all the different ways they end up still 268 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: kissing at the end of it. And I was curious, 269 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: you know, what lengths have you ever gone to imagine 270 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 3: someone in your life could be who you want? You know, 271 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: either someone you're dating or a friend. And I do 272 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 3: think it kind of comes into play again this question 273 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 3: of what do you do to preserve the fantasy of 274 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: someone or do you crave the reality of it, Because ultimately, 275 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: I think Susan not reading the letter from Mike in 276 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: a way is letting her continue to live in this fantasy. 277 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 4: I have no answer to that. 278 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 7: I also really enjoyed that little succession of opening the 279 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 7: door to the different possible scenarios and the day dream 280 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 7: of him coming over and what that could look like, 281 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 7: especially the last one. 282 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: Where he's pointing the gun. 283 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 5: Oh my god. 284 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 7: She stakes kept getting raised, but the kisses were always fantastic. 285 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I definitely. 286 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 7: I don't have a consistency I would say with my 287 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 7: dreams being like categorized as one thing or another. 288 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: I think I'm a problem solver in my dreams. 289 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 7: Often I think my subconscious is working out issues that 290 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 7: my wake state has been worried about. And then I 291 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 7: go to sleep and I kind of hate that. I 292 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 7: really would love to be doing fabulous things in my 293 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 7: dreams instead of like trying to solve problems. It's like 294 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 7: I worry about them in the day and then I 295 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 7: also worry about. 296 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: Them at night. But I did. 297 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 7: I did find it really interesting as a character trait 298 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 7: for Susan that she doesn't ultimately read the letter like 299 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 7: I would have guessed if someone had asked, do you 300 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 7: think Susan as a character would open the letter or not? 301 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 7: I would have guessed that she immediately would have read it. 302 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 7: Like I think, it's it's surprising to me that that 303 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 7: she ultimately chooses to return it unread, and you think. 304 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: And she does that because she's just going to be 305 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: done with this relationship, and that is her way of 306 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: trying to finalize it, like I'm just not going to 307 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: keep going back to this no matter what it says. 308 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 3: Right. 309 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 7: I guess it's the idea of because Mary Alice has 310 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 7: a line later in the episode about like sometimes you're 311 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 7: going to have to just provide the answers for yourself 312 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 7: or something like that. 313 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: So I guess it's it's a. 314 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 7: Closure type of thing for Susan, like I don't need 315 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 7: I don't I don't want or need this information to. 316 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 5: Move on. 317 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 7: I don't want to be swayed. I want to feel 318 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 7: what I feel and move on from it. 319 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: I guess is that I mean, I. 320 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: Guess the thing for Susan in that moment also is 321 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: that she's not sure she believes anything that he's saying anyways, 322 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: So what would be the point of reading a letter 323 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: if you if you already know that you don't have 324 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: the trust and the faith of what somebody is saying 325 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: is true? What would be the point? And I think 326 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: there's some reason to that. I also think there's like 327 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: a bigger thing here that tracks so much through society, 328 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: this idea of especially for women, for girls, of having 329 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: a hero, of waiting for some like Night in Shining 330 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: Armor to come galloping along, which is a little bit 331 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: what comedically was so great about those little quick things 332 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: antasies between Mike and Susan. They all were like the 333 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: cover of a Daniel Steele novel, you know, like that's 334 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: that's what they each one individually. 335 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 4: Felt like a new novel. 336 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: But as a mom, I really tried to be aware 337 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: in raising you Emerson of like not I mean, I 338 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: didn't avoid Disney necessarily, you know, we love Disney movies, 339 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 2: but in talking about them in role modeling for you, 340 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 2: I guess, especially as a single mom, you know, I 341 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: never wanted you to feel like you weren't empowered to 342 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: accomplish things on your own, and that there was going 343 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 2: to be some hero that came through and like fixed 344 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: every problem for you, because it's a balancing act of 345 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 2: like that's nice, Like I'm not saying don't have a 346 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: hero like Rosar can be inspirational and aspirational and and 347 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: we talked about in other episodes, We've talked about how 348 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: it is actually good and vulnerable to allow yourself to 349 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: need help. 350 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 4: But I also. 351 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: Don't think it's great that there's this messaging that's kind 352 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: of pervasive to young girls, which is you need the 353 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 2: prince to come along and make your life. 354 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 5: Okay, oh absolutely. 355 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 3: I mean I have to say, I think you really 356 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 3: did model for me, being as much of a powerhouse 357 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: of a working single mom. 358 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 5: As you were. 359 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 3: This idea that I kind of never had the fantasy 360 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 3: that someone was going to provide the lifestyle that I 361 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: wanted for me. I really felt like, whatever I want 362 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 3: in my life, I will get for myself. And then 363 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 3: I want to have a you know, I want to 364 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 3: be in a partnership. I've known that I've wanted that, 365 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 3: but it felt like it felt very separate from being 366 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 3: taken care of. A partnership felt more like, look at 367 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 3: this rich life that I get to cultivate and then 368 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 3: share with someone, maybe even to the extent of like 369 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 3: I have found myself in dynamics where I am much 370 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 3: more of a caretaker in certain relationships, and that's actually 371 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: something that I can work on, accepting help or accepting 372 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 3: relationships where I feel a little. 373 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 5: Bit more taken care of. 374 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 3: But I think I think it's interesting and I think 375 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 3: you're right that idea really is baked into a lot 376 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: of the women in this show's ideology. 377 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think trying along with that, wanting to 378 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 7: be saved, wanting to be rescued. It's the flip side 379 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 7: of that of the victim, you know, playing the victim, 380 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 7: or having a victim's mindset and mentality, which we kind 381 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,719 Speaker 7: of get into a little bit in this episode as 382 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 7: well with Susan and the contractor. 383 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that part of the story that happens is 384 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 2: that in Susan's sort of effort to like forget about Mike, 385 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: this contractor that's rebuilding Edie's house sort of asks her 386 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: out for burritos, by the way, and I was like, 387 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 2: are burritos? 388 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 4: And we talk about the things. 389 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: That end up in the Yeah, the things that end 390 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: up in the writers writers rooms that they're obsessed with. 391 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: They're obsessed with teenage John and his rubber duckies. They're 392 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: obsessed with lawns and flowers and and now your appearance 393 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: of your house looks, and now they're obsessed with burritos. 394 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 4: That's my fridon they were eating. 395 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 7: When I was growing all of those inches and eating 396 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 7: burritos out. 397 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: Probably were anyways, So this is an interesting thing I 398 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: actually wanted to get into. So in this scenario, I 399 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: guess Edie had also gone on one date with the contractor, 400 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: and then the contractor asks Susan out and he tells 401 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: her that he's not interested in Edie. And Susan goes 402 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: to Edie and says, like, you know, the contractor asked 403 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: me out. Is it okay if I go out with him? 404 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 2: I know you had gone out with him, but you're 405 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: not going out with him anymore. And Edie's like, no, 406 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: you can't go out with them. And she's like, but 407 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: you're not going out with them, and she's like, I 408 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: don't care. You can't go out with them either, Like 409 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go out with them, but neither can you, 410 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: And and Susan sort of like, well I don't that's 411 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: not that doesn't seem fair, that doesn't seem right, Like 412 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: you you passed at this point, you know, like, and 413 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: so I thought that was what do we think of that? Like, 414 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 2: what do we think of you. 415 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 3: Mean dating your friends? Like dating people that your friends 416 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: have dated. 417 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 4: Is I think? 418 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: But also I think the word friendship. I mean, this 419 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: is you know, our eady and season friends. I mean, 420 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, like they live on the same street. 421 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: I think it's case. I think it's case by case. 422 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 7: Like to kind of to your point, Terry, It's like 423 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 7: you have to judge two things here the friendship itself, 424 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 7: like how how strong is the friendship? Is it someone 425 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 7: you're super super close with and you've had a long 426 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 7: standing relationship with or is it like a work colleague, 427 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 7: you know, like where where where on the spectrum is 428 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 7: that level of friendship? 429 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: And then I also think it's the same thing. 430 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 7: Like where on the spectrum is the level of the 431 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 7: seriousness of the relationship that was had a one date 432 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 7: with someone where it didn't take and it didn't work 433 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 7: out and maybe there was no physical connection. Is different 434 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 7: than like, oh, I dated this person for two years 435 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 7: and they were you know, I thought they were one 436 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 7: of the loves of my life. Like, so I think 437 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 7: it depends there's there's different I would have a different 438 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 7: reaction to the scenario depending on the post factor that you. 439 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 4: Have a room for there to be gray area. 440 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: Emerson, it sounded like you were just going to be 441 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 2: like it's cut and dry, No, oh, were. 442 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: You gonna have at all? I feel like I aired 443 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 3: on the side of I think it's weird. Susan even 444 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 3: asked Eadie before going out, Oh, I kind of was like, 445 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 3: I sort of felt like, if it's not the scenario 446 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 3: that you've described, Andrea, of I do think there are 447 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 3: things that are cut and dry. I think if one 448 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: of your friends has dated someone for many years or 449 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 3: even a significant couple of months and really had their 450 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: heart broken or something, and then you go out with 451 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 3: that like that to me does feel wrong. I don't 452 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: think that I could do that, and I certainly couldn't 453 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 3: do it unless I, like, I don't know how I 454 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 3: had a friendship with this person for years and years 455 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: and years since they dated, and then we realized we 456 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: thought we maybe were the love of each other's lives 457 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: and then we would like have to go talk to 458 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 3: the front like I don't know, but. 459 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 5: That's hard to imagine that scenario. 460 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 3: But in this case, I feel like it's one contractor 461 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 3: it's one burrito. Edie so kind of flippantly says, you know, 462 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: like she's not mixing pleasure and commitment. 463 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 5: I think Susan should. 464 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: Have gone on the date, saw how it went, and 465 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 3: then said something to Edie if she thought she was 466 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 3: gonna go this isn't likely. 467 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: For forgiveness, not permission mindset. 468 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 5: I think with Edie. 469 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: That makes sense because Edie's at the end of this 470 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 2: Edie fires the contractor and ends her tentative friendship with 471 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: Susan anyway, Like, so it's a it's a it has 472 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: it ends up having consequences, but it does, like you 473 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: know what, I think, what pushed my button? It's funny 474 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 2: because Edie has a line where she says, Susan, you know, 475 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: to push my buttons. I'm trying to be friends with you, 476 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: and you just keep pushing every button and I'm never 477 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: gonna be able to be friends with you. But like 478 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: this scene kind of pushed my button because I just 479 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: felt like I don't know, I get and maybe I 480 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: still struggle with this, like are you allowed to ask 481 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: for what you want like without feeling. 482 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 4: Bad about it? 483 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: I mean, and I hear both of you guys saying 484 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: in this instance, like you're saying Susan should have just 485 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: gone on the date, like it wasn't that big of 486 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: a deal, and but I and then actually towards the 487 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 2: end of this episode, Susan gets accused also of like 488 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: inviting the drama, in which, as I remember when I 489 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: was playing it, I always kind of felt like that's unfair, 490 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 2: Like I did like that label, and I mean I 491 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: didn't love it. As an actress, I didn't love it, 492 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: you know. I think other actors feel this way. And 493 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: even if your character is like a murderer or whatever, 494 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: you I think when you're playing a character, you get 495 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: protective of your character, and in a TV show where 496 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 2: their personality sort of continues to grow and expand you 497 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: can feel defensive of like I don't think I don't 498 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 2: think Susan would do that. 499 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 4: I mean. 500 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 5: I felt defensive of Susan. 501 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 3: I was like, I also felt defensive of the whole 502 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: scenario because I thought, hold on, like this guy, she 503 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 3: said no to this guy twice, and you kind of 504 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: keep showing up around the tire and asking her out, 505 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 3: and she says she's not really in a place to 506 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 3: go out, so it should be no surprise that she 507 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 3: vomits about you know, Mike on her date, which I 508 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 3: do want to circle back to, if either of you 509 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 3: have taken that on a date, just drop it about 510 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 3: your an ax. 511 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 5: That's a really bad move. 512 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: But like, of course, she's not really ready, and I 513 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 3: feel like she said that and then gets talked into 514 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: going on this date and then gets told she invites 515 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 3: the drama in and I think I think I was 516 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 3: on Susan's side in this scenario. I felt bad for her, 517 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: although I did also Susan goes out with Mike the plumber. 518 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 3: Now Susan's going out with a contractor. 519 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 5: She seems to have a type. Do either of you 520 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 5: think that you have a type when it comes to. 521 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: I definitely have a type. I think everyone in my 522 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: life would say that I have a type. 523 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 4: Oh, what's your type? 524 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 7: M I think, I like, uh, gosh, you know what 525 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 7: is What is the way to describe my type? 526 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: I like, Well, they've got to have we've got to have. 527 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 7: An overlap in our sense of humor. That has to 528 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 7: be a big thing, you know. 529 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: I always say that my husband and I are in equal. 530 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 7: Parts, like we are both on the extreme ends of 531 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 7: being very serious people who take things very seriously and 532 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 7: can take ourselves very seriously, and then on the polar 533 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 7: opposite are. 534 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: Like deeply, deeply ridiculous and silly to the same degrees 535 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: on both ends of the spectrum. 536 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 7: So that's kind of I think really important to me, 537 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 7: you know, physically. Uh, I very much don't enjoy two 538 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 7: blonde people together, So I only have dated brunettes. Yeah, 539 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 7: it's weird to me. I'm like, it's just not my thing. 540 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 7: No offense to anything. 541 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 4: I don't enjoy two blonde people together. 542 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: Well, I often say two blondes don't make it right. 543 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 4: Oh gosh, that's really funny. 544 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: Well, there was another inconsistency here, you know, like a 545 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 2: couple episodes ago, Susan was changing Edie's tire on the 546 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 2: way to get rid of Martha Hoover's ashes, and then 547 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: here you have her just seemingly uncapable of dealing with 548 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: her own tire situation on her own car. And I 549 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 2: don't remember what I did say in the time, but 550 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 2: I guarantee you I, as the actress, said to some writer, 551 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 2: why is Susan incapable of taking care of this tire issue? 552 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: And I feel like it's because it was a plot point, 553 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 2: Like you had to have them driving off the road 554 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: at the end, and so the tire had to be 555 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 2: And this is where like these inconsistencies, I'm sure that 556 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: I was defensive about you're making Susan look like an idiot, 557 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: and I don't like it, and I do, and I 558 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: always said this, I don't think the audience is gonna 559 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: like it either, And I do think like as Susan 560 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: became that quote unquote like annoying. 561 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 4: You know, I mean people said that about her. 562 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 2: I think these are like reasons why, you know, I 563 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: think audiences are not dumb, and they're rooting for these 564 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: characters and they fall in love with them. And so 565 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: when you do something like that, you go like, well, wait, 566 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: Susan did the tire before, Like why can she suddenly 567 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: not do the tire? 568 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 4: What's happening here Anywayeah? 569 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 7: Totally that I as a viewer of other shows and 570 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 7: very critical when those things pop up. So, you know, 571 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 7: I think that's a good catch on your on your 572 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 7: part and is super interesting. 573 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: Pivoting to another. 574 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 7: Couple storyline going on, So we've got Mike and the contractor. 575 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 7: But then we've got, of course, where Marlin's guest starring 576 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 7: role comes in, which is the setup for Lynette and 577 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 7: Tom storyline of this episode with having this double date 578 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 7: and then playing the tennis and then all the conversations 579 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 7: that come up about respect because her husband Marley Matlin's 580 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 7: character's husband on the show is so awful. 581 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he's such a cherk. 582 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a erk. 583 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god, just behind her back because she can't 584 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: hear him, and he's saying really horrible things about her 585 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: to Tom and Lynette and. 586 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: Including actually being like, well what she can't hear? Like 587 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: it is right? I was like, whoa, Oh my god, 588 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: I hate this. 589 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: And so what happens is Lynette goes to Marley's character 590 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: and tries to say, hey, you know, your husband's not 591 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: being so great and he's saying bad things about you, 592 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: and she and Lynette also confronts the husband like, you know, 593 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: you shouldn't be acting like this, and and and that's 594 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: and then Marley's character gets so mad, which it at 595 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: that she she does not think Lynette should have gotten 596 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: involved at all. And that's when Marlee's character's daughter has 597 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: to like say everything that Marlee is signing, which ends 598 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: in You're a bitch, which is just so classic and great, 599 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 2: and all three, all. 600 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: Three of them were so good. 601 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 7: Happy, I am Marlee and Felicity and the little girl great. 602 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: We're all so good. 603 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 5: Do you think where do you fall on this? 604 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,959 Speaker 3: I think it's really complicated when friends and couple friends 605 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 3: specifically are having issues. And this is unique because it's 606 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 3: a very new couple friend. Where do you fall on 607 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 3: that it's my place to get involved if I think 608 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: is something's wrong and call it out, or it's their 609 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: relationship and I need to stay outside of it. Like, 610 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 3: I think this is really complex. I know I have 611 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 3: definitely had this with friends who. 612 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 4: Well, what did you do? What's an example of what 613 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 4: you did? 614 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 3: I think without like disclosing anything about my my friend 615 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 3: as they've worked it out. But I have had like 616 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 3: a serious couple friend who were going through a longer 617 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 3: period of hardship, and it was something that I talked 618 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: to my partner at the time about of like, I 619 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: kind of want to say something, but I also feel 620 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 3: like it's not. 621 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 5: Really my place. 622 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 3: And I think it's complicated when you're friends with both 623 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 3: people in the couple. 624 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 5: And I think the line. 625 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 3: That I ultimately ended up taking was I am here 626 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 3: for you both to talk to me. I am not 627 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: going to share anything that either of you say to me, 628 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 3: and I will try to offer you my most unbiased 629 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 3: reflection back to you of what I hear you saying 630 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 3: to me, whether that is something that you're unhappy about 631 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 3: or something that you wish would change, and other than that, 632 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 3: I think that's really all that I can offer. And 633 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 3: and just I kept saying, like, I love you both, 634 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: and I think the things that you're feeling and working 635 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 3: through are really real, and if you are not able 636 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 3: to get to the other side of that together, I 637 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: still think you're both amazing people. And if you are, 638 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: then that's great, And I'm really rooting ultimately for each 639 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 3: of your individual happiness, whether that's together or apart. 640 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 7: I think I like the idea of not meddling in 641 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 7: someone else's relationship, like I understand that as a concept, 642 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 7: but I and a way of respecting someone else's decisions 643 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 7: because not what I think is fine in a relationship 644 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 7: doesn't necessarily mean that's what someone else chooses. 645 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: However, I think. 646 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 7: I would fall more like a Lynette than a Tom, 647 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 7: like I think in this episode, if this was the 648 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 7: situation I was presented with, I would be speaking, speaking 649 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 7: up and speaking out and maybe Josh, my husband, would 650 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 7: have to be like, hey, maybe you shouldn't stick your 651 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 7: nose in there. But I feel like I wouldn't be 652 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 7: able to. 653 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 4: Not Yeah, no, I know, it's tricky. It's really tricky. 654 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: I mean the relationship that comes to mind the most 655 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: for me is my parents, you know, like, and I've 656 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 2: been in the middle of that my whole life and 657 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 2: it has not served me well. And you know it, 658 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: and I've learned as an adult it's not my business. Actually, 659 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: how two people cheerat each other, it's not my business. 660 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 661 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 3: The dance that two people choose to do with each 662 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 3: other is really their dance. Speaking of dances, the other 663 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 3: part of this episode that really stood out to me, 664 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 3: because I have a fun fact about it, was Gabby 665 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,959 Speaker 3: and Carlos preparing for what he was a funeral, and 666 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 3: we actually get to see the funeral where, of course 667 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 3: they get into this big fight because Carlos has really 668 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 3: rolled out the red. 669 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 5: Carpet that he has the horse and carriage and gotten 670 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 5: literally the horse and carriage. 671 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 3: And the fun fact about that episode is I was 672 00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 3: a background actor in this scene. I will say you 673 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 3: the image and I remember filming it. I'm walking next 674 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 3: to someone who maybe looks like she's Wenita's relative, right 675 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 3: in the two of you and Andrea, and I'm holding 676 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 3: a little red rose and I'm in black and my 677 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 3: hairs and it's like one pan as we pan from 678 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 3: Edie to Susan and Julie, but you. 679 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 5: See a little girl carrying a rose and it's me. 680 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 3: And I remember I was visiting set while you were 681 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 3: shooting that, and I like, you must have put me 682 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 3: in to the episode. 683 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 2: And it was such a This podcast episode is just 684 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 2: full of surprises. 685 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that is crazy. How did we miss that? 686 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 4: Andrew That? 687 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: I don't know, but my gosh, I love that. 688 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 3: I think the only reason, the only reason I caught 689 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 3: it is because as I was watching the scene, I 690 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 3: remembered being on set for that and being in the episode, so. 691 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: That I was actually going to ask Andrea, because you know, 692 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 2: she was young, not as young as you, but I 693 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: was going to say, you were also in that scene. 694 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 4: Do you remember? 695 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 2: Was that the cemetery we used to all go out 696 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 2: to out in like Pasadena somewhere or somewhere out there. 697 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, I was gonna say, this cemetery is almost 698 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 7: I mean, it's probably getting paid like a series regular 699 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 7: because at a certain point we were spending so much 700 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 7: time out there in the Pasadena cemetery, which is. 701 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: A beautiful it happens to be a very beautiful cemetery. 702 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: But also I was like, really used it up? 703 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 2: Do you remember anything about that scene or being in 704 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: it or anything? 705 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 5: I do. 706 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 7: There's two There's two things I want to note, which 707 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 7: is like, one, the fashion in that little as everyone's 708 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 7: strolling is so ridiculous but very fun. Like what I 709 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 7: they really were just like, let's have fun with this. 710 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 7: Everybody's going to dress up in this very caricature like 711 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 7: version of themselves at a funeral. But the reason I 712 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 7: remember this scene so well is because I'm not in 713 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 7: this episode very much. This might be the only part 714 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 7: of the episode I'm in. But I loved my line 715 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,479 Speaker 7: in this episode. I was so excited to say that line. 716 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 7: I thought it was so funny, which is when he 717 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 7: is talking about Edie and how you know, she's kind 718 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 7: of complaining like, well, I don't. 719 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: Really understand why I can't go. 720 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 7: I don't remember exactly Susan's lead up line, but she's, 721 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 7: you know, kind of just being silly, and Julie just 722 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 7: looks at her and then says, I'm gonna mourn now. 723 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 7: And I loved it, and I thought it was so great, 724 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 7: and I was so honored that they gave me such 725 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 7: a great line. 726 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good memory. That's a good memory. Let's see, 727 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 2: is there anything to be. 728 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 5: I feel like. 729 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 3: The one other storyline that also really jumped out at 730 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 3: me talking about like not immediate personal experience, but was 731 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 3: very evocative for the time and like continues to still 732 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 3: be relevant is the storyline with Brion Rex really struggling 733 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 3: with Andrew. Andrew gets expelled for smoking pot and Brie 734 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 3: wants to send him to this kind of like children's 735 00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 3: youth teen youth camp, which actually made me think of 736 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 3: my friend has a show that just came out on 737 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 3: Netflix that not that long ago called Wayward. It's May 738 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 3: Martin's show and is all about kind of the horrors 739 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 3: of this youth camp and inspired by one of May's 740 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 3: close friends who they grew up with who ended up 741 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 3: going to a youth camp. 742 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 5: And in Wayward they do the whole. 743 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 3: Like the people come to your house and take you, 744 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 3: but it's actually like an abduction kind of style, where 745 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 3: here Brien Rex got to Warren Andrew before he got taken, 746 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,959 Speaker 3: and in Wayward they come and they put a bag 747 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 3: over the girl who's going there's head and like handcuff. 748 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 2: Again I like to remind people this is like ABC 749 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 2: at nine o'clock on regular television, not HBO, not you know, 750 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 2: not Netflix, and that they were doing these kinds of storylines, 751 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 2: and I'm so grateful that I never had to take 752 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 2: discipline to that level. I mean, I just I cannot 753 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 2: imagine and what parents go through when there's that kind 754 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 2: of complicated behavior issues. 755 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 7: Yeah, my heart just totally was breaking for both bree 756 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 7: and Rex. But really, I mean you can see the 757 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 7: pain and the suffering in that choice all over you know, 758 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 7: Breez's face, and then of course that she's taking the 759 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 7: brunt of the blame. I mean, Andrew blames free way 760 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 7: more than he blames Rex. Right, So the person who's 761 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,919 Speaker 7: who's really kind of forced to reckon with I'm trying 762 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 7: to do the right thing for my son and knowing 763 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 7: that that is risking our relationship potentially forever, is falling 764 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 7: to break. 765 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: Gosh. 766 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 7: I really, I just I steel myself for maybe not 767 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 7: that exact moment in life. 768 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 1: Hopefully I don't have to face that. 769 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 7: But for those hard moments when you have to decide 770 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 7: can can what is right be the most painful thing 771 00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 7: as well? 772 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: To have to go through and to have to watch 773 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: your child go through. 774 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 3: The one thing I will say that I think my 775 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 3: mom has said over the years, because I feel like, Mom, 776 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 3: I remember you saying, you know, I. 777 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 5: She's like, you were such She would say, you were 778 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 5: such a good kid. 779 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 3: And I don't know what I would have done if 780 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 3: you weren't, because I have no idea how I would have, Like, 781 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 3: I don't know what I would have done if you 782 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 3: weren't such a good kid. But the other thing that 783 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 3: you've said, which I think is really true, and Andrew, 784 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 3: I'm sure you will find on this journey into motherhood 785 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 3: is that my friends who I grew up with, who 786 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 3: did end up having I mean, and they're wonderful people now, 787 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 3: but ended up having tough periods of high school and 788 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 3: more in their adolescents and teenage years where things like 789 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 3: what we see the Andrew character dealing with were coming up. 790 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 3: I remember my. 791 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 5: Mom always saying, you know. 792 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 3: The seeds of that issue were planted back when they 793 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,919 Speaker 3: were like five and six, and in parenting choices and 794 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 3: the kind of erosion of trust and maybe authority or 795 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 3: boundaries which we kind of see Lynette deal with with 796 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,280 Speaker 3: her kids. You know, throughout the season that the seeds 797 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 3: for that behavior that now as a teenager has much 798 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 3: bigger consequences were set up at a really young age. 799 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 3: So to not to say like it's too late if 800 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 3: you're having your teenager be going through a lot of 801 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 3: really big issues, but I do think having really mindful 802 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 3: parenting at a young age, and I saw that even 803 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 3: working as a kindergarten teacher helps sow the seeds to 804 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 3: be able to tackle to more difficult conversations or more 805 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 3: conflict as your child. 806 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 4: So do we like seventeen? Do we like this episode? 807 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 7: I mean, I think all of the episodes of the 808 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 7: first season are you know, are really great episodes of 809 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 7: television in the spectrum of this particular run as we've 810 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 7: been watching up until now. I will say I didn't 811 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 7: latch onto as much in seventeen as I have in 812 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 7: other episodes. 813 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 2: Not even because well I found out that now I 814 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 2: think Andrew and I are going to go back and 815 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 2: watch it again just. 816 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: To be able to now I might favorite episode. 817 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 4: And I think all of our listeners, I think, you know. 818 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 2: We're desperately devoted to you, but like you, you are 819 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 2: desperately devoted to the show. Enough we know that you 820 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 2: are also going to back, go back and freeze frame. 821 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 2: And you know what, that would be a fun thing, 822 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 2: like send us your freeze frame of you to our Instagram, 823 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 2: send us a freeze frame of you in front of 824 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 2: your television with Emerson with her little rose behind. 825 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 6: You, and good luck, because it's one that's the perfect 826 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 6: kind of Easter Egg, you know, an episode easter egg appearance. 827 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 2: Okay, well that was another great episode and I think 828 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 2: highlighted by the fact that I got to call Marley 829 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 2: Matlin and actually speak to her on the phone. And 830 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 2: by the way, I want to mention that she has. 831 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 4: A documentary out. 832 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 2: It's called Marlee Matlin Not Alone Anymore, and you can 833 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 2: see it on Amazon or Apple. So check that out 834 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 2: and join us next week because we are desperately devoted 835 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 2: to you.