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Speaker 2: Of twenty four hour NBA News.

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Speaker 1: This is you, Chris Haynes. It's time, work's time, it's

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Speaker 1: some time. This League uncut is underway in on fire.

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Speaker 1: This should be a good one.

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Speaker 3: Welcome in everyone to the latest edition of this League Uncut,

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Speaker 3: A very special edition of this League Uncut. I have

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Speaker 3: to say from the jump, Chris Haynes is not here

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Speaker 3: for this recording. We are doing this on a Thursday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Later tonight, Chris will be on the sidelines in Sacramento.

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Speaker 3: But don't worry because I am joined by Absolute NBA

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Speaker 3: Broadcasting Royalty. In our midst we were colleagues together at

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Speaker 3: ESPN for several years. We covered some Olympic basketball together

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Speaker 3: in Rio in twenty sixteen. But basketball fans, real hoopeeds.

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Speaker 3: You know her as one of the faces of NBC's

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Speaker 3: wonderful coverage of the NBA in the nineties, throughout the

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Speaker 3: last dance glory days of the Chicago Bulls, and her

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Speaker 3: basketball journey actually stretches much farther back than that, all

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Speaker 3: the way back to the Red, White.

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Speaker 2: And Blue ABA. She's going to cover it all.

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Speaker 3: From the time that there were two professional basketball leagues

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Speaker 3: in this country to the modern day. It is all

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Speaker 3: found in her new long form podcast series, NBA DNA,

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Speaker 3: produced by iHeart all Right, I have babbled on long enough.

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Speaker 3: Let's just welcome her in, Hannah Storm. So great to

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Speaker 3: be with you again after a long long time.

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Speaker 4: I know, Mark, it's so great because I follow you

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Speaker 4: from Afar, but we haven't seen each other in person

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Speaker 4: for a while. But it's awesome to be chatting with

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Speaker 4: you again. We did have a lot of fun back

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Speaker 4: in the day at ESPN covering some of the same

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Speaker 4: events and you know, run it in all those same

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Speaker 4: basketball circles.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, except now I think this interaction

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Speaker 3: might be the first where I am the one who

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Speaker 2: So I know, I hope I am to the task.

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Speaker 3: But look, I have to say first, congratulations on this

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Speaker 3: podcast series, because you are doing something I hope to

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Speaker 3: do someday. I would love to do a long form

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Speaker 3: series that traces history. I love basketball history, and you're

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Speaker 3: taking it even farther back than my experience because you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't have any ABA stories to tell, so just

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Speaker 2: Like what was the genesis behind even doing.

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Speaker 4: This, well, for years, I have wanted to tell the

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Speaker 4: story of the ABA. My dad was the fifth commissioner

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Speaker 4: all these stories growing up. He'd well, we were at

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Speaker 4: at a time when women were not sportscasters, it really

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Speaker 4: And I've done a lot of documentaries, I've directed and

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Speaker 4: And so when I brought this story to the NBA,

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Speaker 4: they said, can you just write us an essay about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, I don't want to ask you to

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Speaker 3: And that's one thing in basketball, we've done such a

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Speaker 3: Like to be, you know, in your formative years around

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Speaker 4: First of all, you are you are so right, which

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Speaker 4: Believe it or not, three pointers were not a part

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Speaker 5: Finish college to be able to go into the ABA.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, it was just a bunch.

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Speaker 3: At ESPN, I got to work with Chris Ramsey, who

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Speaker 5: I was a little kid for a lot of it.

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Speaker 5: Dad is run out of town. You know that happened.

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Speaker 4: If people are holding up signs and I tell you what, Mark,

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Speaker 5: And we are so critical.

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Speaker 4: I think it gave me a really well rounded view

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Speaker 4: But like I do remember sitting at the kitchen table

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Speaker 4: you know, all these guys would come over like Thanksgiving or.

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Speaker 4: They were hanging out at the house, Christmas party, stuff

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Speaker 3: Well, that was the foundation for an absolutely incredible career.

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Speaker 3: You have literally covered everything, and I saw it just

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Speaker 5: But I am telling you that guy scooped everybody. He

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Speaker 4: can learn this stuff. And NASCAR really taught me that,

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00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like Witch to Charlotte through,

442
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 4: You're you're gonna do NASCAR specials, You're going to cover

443
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 4: NASCAR full time. I barely knew, like I didn't know

444
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 4: anything about it, but I was like, if you study

445
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 4: hard enough and you ask questions, you can learn it,

446
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, if you're willing to put

447
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 4: in the work.

448
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 5: And so I guess I've all that way about basically.

449
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 4: Every sport, every event I've ever done, and that's just

450
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 4: kind of how I approach it. And then you know,

451
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 4: if I study really hard enough and I ask enough

452
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 4: questions and all of that, and once I get there,

453
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 4: I feel comfortable and then I can relax and cover it.

454
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 4: But you know what sports is. You and I are smart,

455
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 4: but you know what, it's not brain surgery. It's really not,

456
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 4: and it's not Sports isn't really like some secret language

457
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 4: that only certain people can speak.

458
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: But what it is, though, is it is something that

459
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 3: everyone cares about so deferent yes, so much more than

460
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: almost anything else in life.

461
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: And that's what gets people angry.

462
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 5: It's sports and music. It's I think music, right.

463
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 3: It's like most team owners, you know, I think when

464
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: they come into the sports world from the business world.

465
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: You they might have made bazillions of dollars in business,

466
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,719
Speaker 3: but they never work. They're never in the spotlight like

467
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 3: they are owning sports teams and that, you know.

468
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 4: I mean, some handle it better than others, and some

469
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 4: I've never out of my group phone they didn't like

470
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 4: and maybe they should back off.

471
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 5: A little bit.

472
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, being a team owner, sometimes I just sit

473
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 4: there and I hear the salaries, and you know, I

474
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 4: was just like kind of listening about, you know, sort

475
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 4: of what was happening with the Timberwolves, and I was

476
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 4: just like, man to like write those checks, Like wow,

477
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 4: I don't know, you have to be like a certain

478
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 4: certain kind of person to just write those checks and

479
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 4: take so much grief and also lose a lot, because

480
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 4: you lose a lot more than you win. You know,

481
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 4: you could go through your whole career and not get

482
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 4: that championship and not get the success that you want,

483
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 4: and you got to be okay with that, because that's

484
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 4: just the reality.

485
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're sought quite a bit, sought out by

486
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: young women who want to do some of the things

487
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 3: in the business that you've been able to do. I mean,

488
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 3: it's probably not easy to just generally say what is

489
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 3: your best advice? But what kinds of things do you say?

490
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 3: You know, that's something I struggle with. I have, you know,

491
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: a lot of young people who ask me for advice,

492
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: and that business has changed so much and so much

493
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: so many of them, you know, there's just so much

494
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: less media, there's so fewer places to go than there

495
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: were when when we were trying to get started. So like,

496
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Speaker 3: if I ask you to maybe give us some words

497
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 3: of encouragement to the aspiring youth of today, what are

498
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: some of the things you tell students who seek you

499
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 3: out for advice.

500
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Speaker 4: I mean, I do think there's in some ways more opportunities,

501
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 4: like you don't just have to like I had to

502
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 4: go to, you know, a radio station to start off right,

503
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 4: or you know, I couldn't get a job in TV,

504
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 4: you know, and so I started off in.

505
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 5: Radio my first two jobs.

506
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 4: But I do think like there are more opportunities obviously

507
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 4: with all the expanding media and and I think we've

508
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 4: seen it and how successful people can be in different

509
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 4: areas like you know that do monetize like a YouTube,

510
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 4: you know, and there is still a ton of radio,

511
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 4: and there's satellite radio, and there's podcasts here we are

512
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 4: yay you and me, and thank God for that, and

513
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 4: you know, there are opportunities out there. I would say,

514
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 4: you know, I always tell people that there's no substitute

515
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 4: for hard work, and that's very very boring answer, it

516
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 4: is very very true. I do think the thing that

517
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 4: plagues young people today is I think rejection is so

518
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 4: much a part of their lives because they put themselves

519
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 4: out on social media and Instagram and things like that,

520
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,239
Speaker 4: where people can be really cruel, and I think that,

521
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 4: you know, I think you have.

522
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 5: To be okay with rejection.

523
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 4: I think you have to be okay with the fact

524
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 4: that you're going to get a lot more knows than

525
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: you are. Yes is, but you still have to put

526
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 4: yourself out there. And I do think that people are

527
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 4: little bit afraid young people at times to take risks

528
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 4: and put themselves out there and taking risks and doing

529
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: things that might not be exactly what you want, but

530
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: it might be a path to getting there. And being

531
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 4: open minded about it is really huge. I mean, if

532
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 4: I didn't put myself out there and take risks like

533
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 4: I never would have called NFL games for four years

534
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 4: at Amazon, Like that just wouldn't have happened, you know,

535
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 4: something that seemed terrifying but was an opportunity, and I

536
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I'm going to do this. You know,

537
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 4: sometimes it's hard to take a leap of faith like

538
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 4: that and or believe in yourself or believe that you

539
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: can do it.

540
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 5: You can learn it.

541
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: And I would just say, you know, to try to

542
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 4: get comfortable with the fact that not everybody's going to

543
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 4: like you.

544
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 5: They're not going to see your vision.

545
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: But if you see it, that's enough, you know, and

546
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: that's okay, and just man keep at it.

547
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: When you say radio you started off as.

548
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 4: A heavy metal DJ, really, yeah, That's where I got

549
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 4: my name. So I had done I had actually had

550
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 4: a really nice television reel coming out of college. But again,

551
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 4: no nobody was hiring a girl. They just weren't doing it,

552
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 4: and they just weren't going to do it, you know.

553
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 4: And again I got told over and over you know,

554
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: my audience doesn't want this, like this isn't happening, you know,

555
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 4: do something different, blah blah blah. But I had done,

556
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 4: you know, a good amount of work at Notre Dame,

557
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 4: and through the four years they had done a ton.

558
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 5: Of internships and stuff. So I was like. My dad

559
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 5: was like, hey, Hannah li In, it's my middle name.

560
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: There's a lot more radio stations in the country than

561
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 4: TV stations.

562
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 5: And I was like, you're right, dad, And.

563
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 4: So I there were a couple of publications back then,

564
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 4: broadcasting magazine and radio and records, and they both had

565
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 4: one ads, and so I started, I went, I just

566
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 4: made a radio tape, just made a tape. And I

567
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 4: had done some radio and college. I had DJed and

568
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 4: I had a sports radio talk show at our local

569
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 4: Notre Dame station. So I was like, all right, So

570
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 4: I did sports tape and I did a DJ tape,

571
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 4: just made one up, started sending those out.

572
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 5: I got two job offers.

573
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: One was for a station in somewhere into San Angelo, Texas,

574
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: and the other one was for a heavy metal rock

575
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 4: station of Corpus Christy will come on, I mean rock

576
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: was going to be a lot more fun, So I.

577
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 5: Was like going down to Corpus Christy.

578
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: They changed my aim. My name is Hannah Storn. They

579
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 4: changed it to Hannah Storm and it was stormed by

580
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 4: the c C one oh one headbanger era. I played

581
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: like Quiet Riot, like Motley Crue, Hagar, Shaun Eyrinson and Strieve,

582
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: you know, scorpions, like back to back to back Death Leopard,

583
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 4: Quiet Riot.

584
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: You get the idea, can we get some of that

585
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: audio in this podcast?

586
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 4: I believe it is going to make its way in

587
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: because that story is there in the podcast.

588
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 5: So yes, because I mean, you know, so every one

589
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 5: of our.

590
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 4: Podcast episodes has what's called a cold open, so it

591
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: kind of opens with something like a story or whatever.

592
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: So my first one is the story of me and

593
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 4: Charles and incident that happened when I was at NBC

594
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: and he's we're really good friends now I remember, you

595
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 4: know that incident. The second one is about the movie

596
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: like Mike, and the third one.

597
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 5: Is the story of like DJ Days and you know,

598
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 5: like all of that. So it's really fun.

599
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: We're not going to do the Charles story here. Let's

600
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: save that.

601
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, yea, yeah, no, that's okay.

602
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: It's awesome, and but but yeah, but but you know,

603
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 4: my voice was a lot higher.

604
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 5: And like now that i'm they have some old clips

605
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 5: and stuff.

606
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 4: I like my voice is like I guess your voice

607
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: gets lower as you get older.

608
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: Charles sounds way different years later than he did.

609
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

610
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, he his voice was very high. And I guess

611
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 5: maybe we all I guess I guess.

612
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: Mark.

613
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: I'm sure if you listened to your voice like back

614
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: in the day, the octaves would be higher. I think

615
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 4: that's one of the things that gets like more mellow

616
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 4: and beautiful, you know, with.

617
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 5: Age, is your voice.

618
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: But but yeah, that was me.

619
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Speaker 5: I was like headbangerri era man. I loved it.

620
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 4: And then and then I got my first job in

621
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 4: Houston doing morning and afternoon drive sports, but I was

622
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: still spinning records on the weekends, and that was at

623
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: ninety seven Rock, which was a legendary Houston rock station

624
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 4: Kick Ass Rock and Roll KSRR Houston.

625
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: So you know, we've mentioned your dad many times here,

626
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: and as you said, you know, Mike Storen, former commissioner

627
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: of the ABA, your last name is actually Storin. But

628
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: so basically what you're saying is the station just said

629
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: you are now hannahs Storm and you had to roll

630
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: with it.

631
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 4: Well, they said, first of all, Storin does not translate

632
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: like storin like they're like, But then, nobody was named

633
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 4: Hannah at the time. There were literally no Hannahs. And

634
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: I was named after my mom and my grandma. Now

635
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 4: it's super popular. So they said, we would like you

636
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 4: to be Anna Storm, and I was like, oh, okay.

637
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 5: I'll change one of my names.

638
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: But I'm like, I don't want to like completely lose

639
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: myself and be Anna Storm, Like can I be Hannah?

640
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 5: Can you? And they're like, oh, okay, whatever.

641
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 4: And so you know when you have a baby and

642
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 4: they have all the baby names in there and they say, well,

643
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: this person has that name, right, like this celebrity has

644
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 4: that name. For a long time, I was like the

645
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 4: only Hannah. It was like the next to baby Hannah.

646
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: It was like Hannah Storm sportscaster because it just wasn't

647
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 4: like a nobody was named Hannah. Now we've got all

648
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 4: these great especially like all these girls in the NCAA

649
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: tournament there were tons of Hannahs, but especially Hannah Hadagah

650
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 4: my favorite.

651
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 5: But yeah, so that was it Anna Storm, but Hannah Storm.

652
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 5: So that's how I got I.

653
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: Have a TV name, and people always joke like you

654
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 4: should do weather.

655
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: It's amazing that it just like they just tell you

656
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: and that's the way it is.

657
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 4: And oh, I mean I've been told like die your

658
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 4: hair blonde, you know, wear dress, don't wear you know, pants,

659
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: wear hair long, don't wear dangly earrings. Do you know?

660
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 5: Like listen, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean I came up, you know, back in the day

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Speaker 4: when you know, like I said, a lot of people

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Speaker 4: said and a lot of things that you know, they

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Speaker 4: probably wouldn't say today. But yes, I have been told many, many,

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Speaker 4: many things about you know everything.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, in our short time together, you've told several

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Speaker 3: great stories. And if you enjoyed this, you can listen

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Speaker 3: to the NBA DNA podcast series, twelve episodes worth of

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Speaker 3: stories like this from Hannah Storm, who has been around

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Speaker 3: professional basketball since the seventies, all the way back to.

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Speaker 2: The ABA, a league that I sadly did not get

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Speaker 2: to experience firsthand.

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Speaker 3: But now I'm going to listen to this podcast and yeah,

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Speaker 3: try to learn about it. And like you said, you know,

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Speaker 3: you've got Bob Costas on there, You've got Peter Vessi

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Speaker 3: on there. These guys are champions of the Doctor j

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Speaker 3: They all are champions of ABA history and it's you.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: I am always going.

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Speaker 3: To urge listeners please learn the league did not start

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Speaker 3: with Michael Jordan. Please go back in time and learn

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Speaker 3: some of these lessons and let me let me just say,

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Speaker 3: this is my chance to say thank you to you.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this, but for me

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Speaker 3: in Rio, I was doing both TV and writing, and

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Speaker 3: so it was it was constant. I mean, the days

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Speaker 3: were really really long, and I am the worst morning

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Speaker 3: person ever. The sports centers you were hosting were always

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Speaker 3: in the morning, and I'm up late at night covering

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Speaker 3: games and writing. But I remember that mister Woodtalka, our producer,

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Speaker 3: said hey, you know, Hannah, Hannah really needs Hannah really

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Speaker 3: wants you to join her for this morning segment.

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Speaker 2: So when once I heard that, then sleep.

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Speaker 3: Was sleep was off the table because that was that

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Speaker 3: was a very high sorry, that was a very high

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Speaker 3: compliment to hear that you did insisting that I should

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Speaker 3: join you.

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Speaker 2: So thank you.

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Speaker 5: I did.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 5: You were amazing, and you know, we really kind of.

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Speaker 4: Smushed a lot of our Olympic programming into like these

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Speaker 4: special hours, so you know, it was really important to.

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Speaker 5: Have you there, and I mean you were like a

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Speaker 5: one man band. Man. I don't know how you did it.

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Speaker 4: I do not know how you did it because you

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Speaker 4: were you were everything. Like you were like one person

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Speaker 4: covering an entire Olympic basketball.

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Speaker 5: Series and that was it. That was a really.

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Speaker 4: Special I remember, like you know, interviewing coach k and

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Speaker 4: some of the players leading up to that. That was

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Speaker 4: a really cool It was a cool team.

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Speaker 5: It was a really interesting experience. Well, we'll talk about

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Speaker 5: Rio another time on our next podcast.

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Speaker 2: Let's definitely do it again.

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Speaker 3: Seriously, congratulations on this, Thank you this podcast. And let

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Speaker 3: me also say, you know, you recently revealed your battle

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Speaker 3: with breast cancer, and I can't even imagine what that

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Speaker 3: was like for you to do. You're a public person,

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Speaker 3: so I mean it must make it twenty five times harder.

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Speaker 3: And I really just wanted to send you all the

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Speaker 3: best wishes. And you have a zillion fans out there

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Speaker 3: who love you, and I just again wanted to send

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Speaker 3: you all.

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Speaker 2: The best wishes and.

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Speaker 5: You're the best. Don't don't feeling great.

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Speaker 2: Don't have a don't have a elegant way to say it,

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Speaker 2: but just.

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Speaker 5: You know, what there. You know, the thing is there.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to have an elegant way to say it.

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Speaker 4: Like what you said was incredible, and people are like,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what to say, and I'm like, say anything,

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Speaker 4: say anything, just same thinking of you whatever, whatever you

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Speaker 4: want to say. Like just what you said was beautiful

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Speaker 4: and perfect and it wasn't easy, but I want I

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Speaker 4: just want people to get out there and you know,

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Speaker 4: get tested, like get their mammograms, do what you're supposed

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Speaker 4: to do. And for guys, you know, if there's a woman,

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Speaker 4: a person that you love in your family, you know,

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Speaker 4: obviously men have a history of breast cancer too.

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Speaker 5: You know they have to be very careful.

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Speaker 4: But you know, just make sure whoever that person is

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Speaker 4: in your life, support them however you can, and make

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Speaker 4: sure they're getting tested because it really really does save lives.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, listen to Hannah Storm on matters of life and basketball.

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Speaker 3: All right, that is going to do it for this

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Speaker 3: edition of This League Uncut. Like I told you from

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Speaker 3: the jump, Chris Haynes missed out the legendary with us here. Everybody,

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Speaker 3: you know what to do, follow the show, rate the show,

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Speaker 3: review the show, and listen to Hannah Storm's NBA DNA,

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Speaker 3: a twelve part podcast series produced by iHeart Chris and

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Speaker 3: I'll be back together with you very soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening everyone, and that'll do it for us.

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Speaker 1: See you next time.

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Speaker 2: This league un Cutters and iHeartRadio production Chris Hanes and

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Speaker 2: Mark Stein