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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. Patrick, you were

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Speaker 1: just at the Peak Co Armstrong press conference announcing his

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Speaker 1: new six year, one hundred and fifteen million dollar deal.

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Speaker 1: I listened to some of it, and I think we

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Speaker 1: just chatted right before this, and I think your takeaway

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Speaker 1: was similar to mine. He seemed emotional, a lot of reflection,

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Speaker 1: and just a lot of thanks to a bunch of

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Speaker 1: different people. Like pretty much everyone that was in that room,

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Speaker 1: he seemed to be honoring in some way. What were

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Speaker 1: your takeaways that from that press conference.

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Speaker 2: I think it was that emotional cent or that pete

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Speaker 2: kind of you drew from throughout that press conference, and

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Speaker 2: he said his hands were sweaty. I think it was

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Speaker 2: a little different than playing center field in front of

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Speaker 2: forty thousand people. I think sitting in that chair and

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Speaker 2: kind of looking out he started with his parents and

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Speaker 2: saying how proud he is to have you know, both

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Speaker 2: their names on the back of his jersey, and you know,

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Speaker 2: wanting to finally move them out to Chicago or at

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Speaker 2: least get them a place, you know, I'd imagine within

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Speaker 2: walking distance of Wrigley Field. I mean, Pete's dad, Matt,

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Speaker 2: you know our understanding, you'd be watching, he'd be watching

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Speaker 2: the Cubs games anyways, you know what I mean. I

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Speaker 2: think even if his son wasn't the starting center fielder,

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Speaker 2: you know, would love to live in wrigley Ville and

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Speaker 2: just kind of hang out. And so it kind of

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Speaker 2: started from there. Then his agents at ca A you

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Speaker 2: know who had really known him since he was a

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Speaker 2: freshman at Harvard Westlake, a powerhouse baseball program in South Carolina,

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Speaker 2: south southern California. Pete was a you know, starting varsity

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Speaker 2: his chest after you know, big moments during the game.

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Speaker 2: And then I just from you know, the Cub side.

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Speaker 2: You can really go down the list here of Jared Banner,

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Speaker 2: who had been the Mets farm director when Pete overslept

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Speaker 2: like his first day at Mets camp, and Jared had

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Speaker 2: told that story on our podcast here. But you know,

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Speaker 2: some tough love there, and then Banner pounding the table

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Speaker 2: for the Cups to acquire him at the trade headline, Uh,

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Speaker 2: current major league hitting coat, which is John Mayley and

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Speaker 2: Dustin Kelly who worked with him in the minors and

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Speaker 2: helped him kind of corral all of the stuff that

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Speaker 2: Pete has going on, you know, kind of at the

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Speaker 2: plate in his head. And Craig Counsel. I believe that

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Speaker 2: was the moment Pete cursed on air there of Council

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Speaker 2: doesn't I think Council doesn't give something about whatever. It

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Speaker 2: was just hilarious. And then of course, you know, thinking

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Speaker 2: ownership and chairman Tom Riggots was there, you know, Jed Hoyer.

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Speaker 2: I think his one of Pete's main things was that

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Speaker 2: from the top down it has been this sort of

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Speaker 2: like be yourself message, which he really appreciates. And so

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe just because Pete can be so

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Speaker 2: open and we've known Pete for a bit, I think

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Speaker 2: it's different when a free agent comes in and you

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Speaker 2: almost always know it's because the team offered them money,

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Speaker 2: like this was, even though he wasn't a free agent.

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Speaker 2: He made a choice, a life changing choice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he's making a lot of money, there's

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that, But this is about he made

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Speaker 1: it clear that this place makes him very comfortable and

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Speaker 1: allows him to be who he is while also finding

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Speaker 1: the best in him, like unearthing the best out of him.

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Speaker 1: I think he appreciates the balance there where you know,

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Speaker 1: he has some growth to go through, like he already

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Speaker 1: has grown a ton, but you know, he can always

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Speaker 1: get better, he can continue to mature, and he seems

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Speaker 1: can be very endearing when he's like emotional like that.

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Speaker 1: He was just kind of rambling there for a while

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Speaker 1: at the start and admitted that he's like, I don't

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Speaker 1: unless someone stops me here, So jed kind of just like, okay,

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Speaker 1: why do we questions? Yeah, I thought there were a

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Speaker 1: lot of early on what I did here. There was

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Speaker 1: about his parents wearing both their names on his jersey.

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Speaker 1: That was nice. You know, he seems very reflective for

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Speaker 1: I believe two days ago, so it's interesting he's got

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Speaker 1: of him. You talked about how the agents have known

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Speaker 1: him for so long. He's been on the radar and

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Speaker 1: twelve year old kid. He's been on the radar. The

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Speaker 1: Cubs had a chance to draft him in the first round,

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Speaker 1: didn't take that. They corrected that mistake by trading for him.

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Speaker 1: Banner told that story. Or you know, like you could

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Speaker 1: overreact to the way Pete behaves or the way he

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Speaker 1: you know, like you can think he's like this me

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Speaker 1: guy because he dyes his hair and because he's flashy,

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Speaker 1: that means he's only about himself. I mean, you get

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Speaker 1: to know him and that's just not like it doesn't

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Speaker 1: take long for that to you know, just go out

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Speaker 1: He's not about that. Like it's almost as a reporter,

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Speaker 1: it can be a little frustrating at times, you know,

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Speaker 1: because he constantly defers, and it's almost hard to get

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Speaker 1: him to talk about why he's so good or what

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Speaker 1: makes him good. You know, he's always looking for ways

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Speaker 1: give credit to other than himself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean as a reporter, he's close. Maybe not ideal,

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Speaker 2: but he's great in that, like you have no idea

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Speaker 2: how he's going to respond to questions. He's real, Like

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Speaker 2: I think there are times where we we as sort

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Speaker 2: there are times where he just kind of like, you know,

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Speaker 2: sums up a really complicated situation in like two perfect

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Speaker 2: paragraphs that you're like, all right, that goes right right

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Speaker 2: This is another point that Jed had made, and it's

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Speaker 2: a point well taken when he looked out at Pete's parents,

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Speaker 2: Matt and Matt and Ashley of they raised someone who

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Speaker 2: really understands the responsibilities of being a face of the franchise,

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Speaker 2: that you know, signing autographs, understanding that saying hello to someone,

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Speaker 2: particularly young fan, can make their day and maybe make

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Speaker 2: them a baseball fan for the rest of their life. Clearly,

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Speaker 2: the Chicago connection cannot be discounted here. You know, Pete's

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Speaker 2: and in a way that really resonates.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's becoming a face. He's not just a face

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Speaker 1: of the franchise, a face of MLB. Now, let's take

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Speaker 1: Patrick. This is not something that came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: This is not an extension that you know, anybody was

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Speaker 1: really blindsided by. This is you know, we talked to

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Speaker 1: Pete about this last spring. It's been over a year

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Speaker 1: that there have been rumors they discussed this last spring.

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Speaker 1: The offer, obviously what they agreed upon is much higher

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Speaker 1: from Ezekiel Tovar type a deal to Corbyn Carroll and

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Speaker 1: Jackson Merrill type deal obviously in between there. But this

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Speaker 1: is this is you know, they laid the groundwork and

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Speaker 1: have had a built this relationship over the past year

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Speaker 1: plus to make sure this could happen, And it sounds

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Speaker 1: like Pete never really felt uncomfortable about it or like

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Speaker 1: pressured into getting something done. They did a good job

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of the timeline, Jed Hoyer ballparked it

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Speaker 2: certain times of year or more conducive towards having productive discussions.

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Speaker 2: Both sides were pretty motivated to make sure something eventually

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Speaker 2: They didn't, but there was enough momentum that they decided

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Speaker 2: Over the finish line. He roughly doubled what he would

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Speaker 2: It's important to him to get another to get a

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Speaker 2: to when he's still in his early thirties. I think

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Speaker 2: like that, or maybe heading into his age thirty one season.

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Speaker 2: But you know, for Pete, I think the way the

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Speaker 2: asking Jet about the previous cores just to get you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, a parent, and that makes a huge difference

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the want to matters, right, you have to want

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peaker Armstrong is one of those names that you

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Speaker 1: see across baseball nowadays. You know, Midsummer he was, you know,

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Speaker 1: then I don't think Pete Armstrong is that far behind.

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Speaker 1: Certainly in Chicago it's you know him, Caleb Williams, and

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Speaker 1: Connor Bdard and Madus Bizzellis. But those two guys, Pete

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Speaker 1: like Pete's getting the endorsements now as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was told recently kind of deals at marketing

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Speaker 2: deals have come together include Gatorade, Southwest Corona and New Balance,

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Speaker 2: how how much people gravitate towards this player, how companies

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Speaker 2: Wrigley Field. And I think the endorsements are sort of,

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Speaker 2: and you know, Pete, you know, mentioned how what the

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Speaker 2: Ricketts family has done to Wrigleyville, And I think there

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Speaker 2: and play. I mean, I think you see Pete's frustrations

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Speaker 2: out there at times, you know, how emotional he can be.

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Speaker 2: I think having this, you know, could really help him

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Speaker 2: like who knows, but you know, I can tell you

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Speaker 2: it did weigh on him a little bit last year

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Speaker 2: when he turned down that deal. And you know, he

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Speaker 2: doesn't know if there's a cause and effect, and he

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Speaker 2: turned it down. And maybe the next day he hits

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Speaker 2: And so we never really know with this stuff, but

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Speaker 2: we know that the Cubs don't think he's going to

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Speaker 2: in his intensity. But I do think there's something too.

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Speaker 2: I think Pete alluded to it kind of hit him

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Speaker 2: next six plus years, Like this is where you know

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Speaker 2: I can you know, go home, you know, day games,

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Speaker 2: Wrigley Field, knowing who he's playing with, who he's playing for.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't, you know, define a player's career, but it

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Speaker 2: doesn't hurt to have that level of comfort and security.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, instability, right, I think that's probably a theme throughout

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Speaker 1: this organization with Jet now stable in his position and Nico, Pete, Crow, Armstrong,

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Speaker 1: Craig Counsel. These these people are going to be around

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Speaker 1: all of them. All right, we'll have plenty of Pete

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Speaker 1: talk for one hundred and sixty one plus games left

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Speaker 1: to go, so we'll make sure to talk plenty of

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Speaker 1: Pete more about the upcoming season. Thanks so much for

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