1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 2: Let's talk in video and video shares did shed more 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: than two percent ahead of its earnings report that are 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: due in the coming minutes. The stock up more than 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty percent so far this year. It 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: is the top performer in the S and P five 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: hundred and the NASDAQ one hundred. Let's go down to 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Technology co host ed Ludlow, who joins us from 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: our San Francisco bureau, ed the most important numbers you're 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: watching in just a few minutes. When these earnings cross, 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: what are they? 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 3: I mean, all of them. 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 4: It's probably the most important earnings report in my career, 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 4: which is not quite as long as both of yours. 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,319 Speaker 4: But you go straight to the data center business, and 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 4: not necessarily for the quarter gone. We have a good 17 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 4: sense of how that will go. Will probably be twenty 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 4: five billion dollars of data center revenue. You have to 19 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 4: go straight to the outlook or the guide for the 20 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 4: fiscal third quarter because that answers the only question we have, 21 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 4: which is what is the staying power of this AI 22 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 4: investment cycle? 23 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: And you know the thing is, I think about the expectations, 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: how high they are ed, and we've seen the stock, 25 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: which we saw it sell off kind of like early 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: or mid June, right, and then yes, we saw an 27 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: equal bounce like about twenty seven percent from that low 28 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: over the summer. So expectations going into this are super high, 29 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: which makes me think, does it have to be a 30 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: tremendous beat as we've come to expect from this company, 31 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: otherwise there's going to be a little bit of disappointment 32 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: or some questions. 33 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 4: Well, let's take the third quarter fiscal third quarter guide example. 34 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 4: You know, the average analyst estimate is thirty one point 35 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 4: nine billion dollars, but at the very top end of estimates, 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 4: you're talking thirty eight thirty nine billion dollars. There are 37 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 4: some on the street who have very high expectations. I've 38 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 4: learned from people like you at Bloomberg over the years. 39 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 4: One market session a market does not make. This is 40 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 4: a stock up one hundred and fifty percent year to date, 41 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: but almost one thousand percent from its October twenty twenty 42 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 4: two bear market low. It was incredibly overbought January through March, 43 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 4: and then again in June and July, and retail investors 44 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 4: continue to pile in that sets us up for some tension, I. 45 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: Think, yeah, speaking attention, about thirty seconds away from when 46 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 2: we are expecting those numbers. 47 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: Doc is up one point six percent here ahead of 48 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: the earnings. So we're just waiting for Nvidia to cross. 49 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: So we're seeing some trade ahead of the results, actually crossing, 50 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: some optimistic trading, if you will. As we said, the stock, 51 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: which was a little bit lower today, it's bouncing here 52 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: almost two percent here in the aftermarket. So I don't know, 53 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: seven seconds and we expect these numbers. 54 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna let Ed Ludlow take a look at 55 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 2: his Bloomberg terminal, as we do expect these numbers to take. 56 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: These numbers to cross imminently right now. As a reminder 57 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: in Kiga notes, let's do this typically hits at twenty 58 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: pass all right. 59 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: Second quarter revenue folks, thirty billion dollars estimate was twenty 60 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: eight point eighty six billion, So again that is a beat. 61 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: Company approving an additional fifty billion dollars in share buyback. Again, 62 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: the stock up about two and a quarter percent here 63 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: in the after market. 64 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, the company c's third quarter revenue at thirty two 65 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: point five billion plus or minus two percent. The company 66 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: maintains its quarterly dividend at one cent per share. Second 67 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: quarter data center revenue that is a very important metric 68 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: to keep an eye on. That as the vast majority 69 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: of the company's revenue coming in at twenty six point 70 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: three billion dollars, beating estimates of twenty five point oh 71 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: eight billion dollars. So justin gross margin for the second 72 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: quarter coming in right above, just above estimates, seventy five 73 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: point seven percent, Carol estimates were for seventy five point 74 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: five percent. 75 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: All right, we're talking with Ed Ludlow, the co host 76 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: of Bloomberg Technology, and you said the numbers, you're watching 77 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: all of them, but you did single out initially the 78 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: data center revenue, which we were expecting about twenty five billion. 79 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: That's a bee. 80 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a B. 81 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I've got the ticker for after I was 82 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 4: trade in front of me, and my eyes are bouncing 83 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 4: all around, and I think the market's taking a few 84 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 4: seconds to make up its mind. 85 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: Let's just run through it. 86 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: Thirty two point five billion dollars plus all minus two 87 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 4: percent is basically, I think in line with the thirty 88 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 4: one point nine billion dollars that the street was looking for. 89 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: I'll do the math on the point in due course. 90 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 4: An impressive beat, I suppose on data center revenue in 91 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 4: the second court had just gone in overall revenues. Then 92 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 4: we asked the question, why why was it better? You know, 93 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: they telegraphed that pretty well. And my goodness, don't you 94 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 4: love it when there's consistency, when something that we were 95 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 4: talking about continues to happen. And that is shareholder friendly policy. 96 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 4: And I think that fifty billion dollars of edition will 97 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 4: share buybacks, no one would be sort of disappointed with that. 98 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 3: The stock up, you know, ish in after hours. 99 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we had a we were talking earlier 100 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: about if things came in in line with expectations, because 101 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: expectations were so high, you might not see a huge reaction, Carol, Right, 102 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: even with a fifty billion dollars share buyback, we're barely 103 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 2: seeing stock move in the after hours. 104 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, just up about one percent. Hey, dig it into 105 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: the press release. You're going to talk with Jensen Wong, 106 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: founder and CEO n Vidia later on. He says hyper 107 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: demand remains strong and the anticipation for a blackwell is incredible. 108 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: He said the company rechieve record revenues as global data 109 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: centers are in full throttle to modernize the entire computing 110 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: stack with accelerated computing and generative AI. Like, we know 111 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: this guy knows how to speak and talk about his company, 112 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: his market, his industry. But what are you looking for 113 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: as you go through this press release and what are 114 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: you thinking about that conversation you're going to have with it? 115 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, my eyes went straight to the Blackwell commentary and 116 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: the anticipation being high. Excitement, anticipation are interesting words, but 117 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 4: they are not a granular explanation of what's happening with Blackwell. 118 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 4: The reporting was that due to the complexity of its design, 119 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 4: it has two compute dies basically think about two triangles 120 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 4: with a split between them, because it's so big. 121 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: It's so much bigger. 122 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 4: Than any other high performance GPU that's gone before it. 123 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 4: And the reporting was that this presented a production challenge 124 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 4: and so we want some specific detail on that. But 125 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 4: again this is classic Jensen Wang that everything is intact, 126 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 4: the AI investment cycle is there, and clearly he's bullish 127 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 4: because in video is ninety nine percent of the market 128 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 4: for this range of AI accelerators. 129 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 2: Shares bouncing around a little bit, but they are now 130 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: lower by about two point two percent in after hours 131 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: trading AD I do wonder what the demand story is 132 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: from customers, and now that we're seeing the latest results 133 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: from in video, what's the story that you're seeing? I 134 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: should say shares continue to move lower, down about three 135 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: percent and after hours. 136 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 4: So this is why we go straight to the guide 137 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 4: or outlook for the current period or the fiscal third quarter. 138 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 4: Because of the timing of Nvidia's earnings today August twenty eighth, 139 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 4: it comes at the end of earning season where the 140 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: capital expenditures guidance from the biggest Nvidia customers has been 141 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 4: and gone. So if you look at the capital expenditures 142 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 4: guidance of a Microsoft I think Carol pointed out very 143 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 4: smartly that about forty five percent of Microsoft capex goes 144 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 4: directly to Nvidia. We knew that they were committed to spending, 145 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 4: but how confident is in video in that trend continuing 146 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: over a longer time horizon. You look at the stop 147 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 4: after hours down now almost five percent. One has to 148 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 4: keep their feet on the ground and ask is that 149 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 4: so severe? Is it so surprising given how high a 150 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 4: bar this quarter was and how lofty expectations were. 151 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty percent higher so far this year 152 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: at five percent decline after earnings that beat estimates but 153 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: didn't blow estimates out of the water. 154 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: Well, I think you go to the outlook, like you 155 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: keep you know, emphasizing ed this high idea and I 156 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: know you put it out on the on the blog 157 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: of what came in all right, better than what the 158 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: average estimate was. But when you think about the high 159 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: numbers that some were expecting almost as much as thirty 160 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: eight billion dollars for that third corent revenue, like that 161 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: is going to color how investors, you know, react to 162 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: this number. They were expecting more, a lot more. 163 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, And like I know that this is something that 164 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 4: Bloomberg people always say, but you also just have to 165 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 4: give some sort of context of where the stock trades. Right, 166 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 4: it is a stock that trades at thirty eight times 167 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 4: forward twelve month earnings. Again, I always look at Relative 168 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 4: Strength Index RSI and the terminal, but one data set 169 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,119 Speaker 4: that I've tracked is that retail investors have absolutely piled 170 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 4: into this. 171 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: Stock of late. 172 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: It had all of the hallmarks of something that was 173 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 4: set to swing in. I have direction based on options 174 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 4: market trading, and I think the point that I'm making 175 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 4: without telling our audience about how the sausage is made 176 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 4: too much. One very wise editor said on our planning 177 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: call that even if it beats expectations or street or 178 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 4: consensus estimates, this is a likely outcome because of where 179 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 4: we've positioned ourselves in the market going into the print. 180 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: Meaning that expectations are just so high for this company. 181 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 3: Correct. 182 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, Directs, I think, Tim, that's probably the understatement of 183 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 4: the century. 184 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: Well, you know, you're also dealing with base effects. As 185 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: we mentioned, the comps are really tough given where this 186 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 2: was a year ago and where investors expected to go 187 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 2: in terms of growth rate. I mean, as Abigail do 188 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: a little pointed out on our cair you know they 189 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: were seeing what north of two hundred percent growth some quarters. 190 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: Well, you know, this is something I used to think 191 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: about with Apple, like when it didn't live up to expectations, 192 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: it got harder and harder to move the needle on that. 193 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: And yet when you look at the numbers and I 194 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: understand it's all relative, and you've got to give the 195 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: context in terms of growth and so on and so forth. 196 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: And video is still selling a lot of stuff, right, 197 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: and it is the game in town if you want 198 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: those advanced AI chips. 199 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 4: Okay, guys, I'm really sorry to go on attendent. These 200 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 4: headlines are super important in videos saying it expects several 201 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 4: billion dollars in Blackwell revenues in the fourth quarter. I 202 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 4: King's just hit the button on the red headline. I'm 203 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 4: not surprised. Yeah, that this was the question that in 204 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 4: video makes a commitment to bring a new generation of 205 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 4: its AI accelerator to market annually, and there have been 206 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 4: the reporting on the design challenges about Blackwell. What in 207 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 4: Vidia's confirming is that they will book really really significant 208 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 4: revenue on that product in the early stage of its ramp, 209 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: in the final three months of the calendar year or 210 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 4: its fiscal fourth quarter. But they do make a concession 211 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 4: that they had to change the Blackwell mask production step. 212 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: I have to plead ignorance on the technicalities of that. 213 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 4: I'm going to run to Ian's desk and ask him, 214 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 4: but they are at least talking about it. 215 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 3: I think that this. 216 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 4: Commentary comes from not the earnings released necessarily, but the 217 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 4: CFO commentary that comes as an appendix to it. 218 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 3: So we'll dig into that as we go. 219 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: Is several billion dollars not sufficient? 220 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: Ed, what is several billion dollars? 221 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 4: I mean the relatively significant after hours decline is now 222 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 4: sort of less significant. That might give you a sense 223 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 4: of how investors feel about that. But I think the 224 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 4: idea was that, you know, this is a product that 225 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 4: we're not talking I've said this to you guys so 226 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: many times, and I almost don't apologize for it. When 227 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 4: we talk about an AI chip, we're not talking about 228 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 4: this little thing you can hold in your hand. The 229 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 4: core technology, yes, is probably about the size of a sandwich, 230 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 4: but it goes into a rack that goes into a server, 231 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 4: a big three hundreundred pounds server box in rows and 232 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 4: rows that fill out a data center. And that's the 233 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 4: scale that we're talking about. So when you produce it 234 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 4: at scale, it presents a challenge. And to me that 235 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 4: the shipment of several billion dollars seems substantive in this instance. 236 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I feel like, you know, we're going 237 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: to want a little bit more in terms of specifics 238 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,599 Speaker 1: about Blackwell and what those shipments in terms of the 239 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: fourth quarter what exactly means, because that's outlook fourth quarter 240 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: not so far away, and you do wonder if that's 241 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: something that moves the needle significantly. This is everything that 242 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: you know people have been talking about. 243 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: Hey, Ed, before we let you go, you have a 244 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: conversation with Jensen coming up a little later, a special 245 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: edition of Bloomberg Technology, an exclusive interview with Jensen Wong. 246 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: Just the last forty five seconds we have with you, 247 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: give us how without giving away the questions, tell us 248 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: how you're thinking about this. 249 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that you know me. I love details. 250 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 4: So I'm going to ask about Blackwell, although it's Bloomberg 251 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 4: policy not to give questions in advance of interview, and 252 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 4: I'm sure somebody from Nvidia is listening, but that's the question. 253 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 4: And then I heard you talking to remain boss Stick 254 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 4: about his surprise that revenue comes from just five players. 255 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 4: I thought I'd been saying that on our network every 256 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 4: week the last two years. 257 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: But that is the question. 258 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 4: When do you move beyond that, you want to sell 259 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 4: to smaller and medium sized enterprises, governments and other public institutions. 260 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 4: Do you have some evidence that that's already happening. 261 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: That's a point that Ian King brought up at the 262 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: top of our two o'clock hour right here on Bloomberg 263 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: TV in Bloomberg Radio. I'm going to tell Romaine to 264 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: listen to you more, Ed, so he's not surprised in 265 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: the future. 266 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 3: Sy A lot going on, all. 267 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: Right, Good luck, kiddo. With that, we'll be listening to 268 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: that interview Ed La La, co host of Bloomberg Technology 269 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg TV and again Bloomberg Technology, we'll have that 270 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: half hour special at six thirty pm Wall Street Time, 271 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: highlighted by that exclusive interview that Ed will have with 272 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: the CEO of Nvidio, Jensen Wog. And right now we've 273 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: got Sure's of Nvidia down about five point one percent 274 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: here in the aftermarket. 275 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: Happening quickly. The reaction has been big. It was nothing 276 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: and then it was more than it was eight percent. 277 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: It was like three percent. 278 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: Did you go down as much as eight percent at 279 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: one point. It's been bouncing around and we've seen, yeah, 280 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: some interesting moves here. And we are seeing as I mentioned, 281 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: Naszak one undred many futures there down about two percent here, 282 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: So we're seeing some drag. Not coming and done completely, 283 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: but it's interesting. Let's see what Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Semiconductor 284 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: Alice kun John Sabani has to say about that, he 285 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: joins us. He's out there in our San Francisco bureau. 286 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: All right, top of mind for you, cun John, tell 287 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: us about the quarter? Do they do Okay? How's the outlook? 288 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: It seems like there's a little bit of disappointment here. 289 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think they did really good as 290 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 5: part of our expectations. I'm sure the Nvidia obsesses and 291 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 5: might be disappointed given the magnitude of the beat, which 292 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 5: we had called out to be in the single digit range, 293 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 5: and especially against the lofty, unsustainable expectations that some of 294 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 5: the again Nvidia opssis have been forming. But fundamentally in 295 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 5: terms of long term, in terms of the competitive landscape, 296 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 5: everything remains intact. We don't see any big risks out 297 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 5: of this earning so far. 298 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 2: Do you see any softness when it comes to the outlook? 299 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: Even though it did it exceeded some expectations, it didn't 300 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: exceed the loftiest expectations. Are you seeing signs of softness 301 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: with its customers? 302 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 5: I wouldn't call it a softness in terms of demand. 303 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 5: I would rather call it more of a timing. I mean, 304 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 5: in the given last thirty days, we have come to 305 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 5: know about the black Well delays, right, But as we 306 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 5: had called out in our preview, there's enough demand for 307 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 5: the Hopper series and the supply for that has come along, 308 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 5: so they have the ability to ship more and more 309 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 5: to this demand, which kept them intact and the guidance 310 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 5: still came to a bait. Of course, I think you know, 311 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 5: the DLA might actually push out the magnitude of beat 312 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 5: which we would have expected into twenty five calendar twenty five, 313 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 5: which might actually drive increased to the upside of twenty 314 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 5: five numbers. As we get more details on it. 315 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: Help can textualize this for us in Video expects to 316 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: ship several billion dollars of Blackwell revenue in the fourth 317 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: quarter of the year. I feel like Carol, I'm parsing 318 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: a fed statement here. 319 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: It will kind of vague. 320 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: What does several mean? Kun John? Is that a lot? 321 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: Or is that disappointing to investors? 322 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 5: I wouldn't call it completely disappointing. Again, given what we 323 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 5: came to know over the last four weeks. When we 324 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 5: were working on the previous two weeks ago, we thought 325 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 5: it will be very little volume. So the several billion 326 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 5: actually is good in a way and comforting that Okay, 327 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 5: there will be some shipment, and it's not completely delayed 328 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 5: until the first Q fiscal quarter, so I wouldn't call 329 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 5: it completely disappointing. 330 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: So we are watching big tech falling after Nvidia their results, 331 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, the Nasdaq one under many futures in 332 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: the aftermarket down one point six percent. Uh, it's you know, 333 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the q Q that also we see 334 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: it down about half a percent. I mean, when it 335 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: comes to the AI story and the build out and 336 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: the spend, you sound really comfortable with what we've got 337 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: from Nvidia, that that narrative, that story, that actuality is 338 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: still intact. Is that a fair assessment of how you 339 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: see this? 340 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 5: It is and given we look at the fundamentals, especially 341 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 5: from a long term perspective, and not the magnitude of 342 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 5: beat and race quarter to quarter. When you look at 343 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 5: the disc earning season, almost all of the hyperscalers, the 344 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 5: big internet companies, the big cloud players actually announced a 345 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 5: beat to their capex and almost across the board to 346 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 5: their revenues. Right, So that again validates like the demand 347 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 5: is not slowing. Nothing has changed in the last two weeks, 348 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 5: just given the Nvidia results. So I agree with your 349 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 5: comment that we do feel comfortable around the broader dynamics 350 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 5: and the demand tailwinds for the AI chips. 351 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: So one of the things we just talked about with 352 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: ur Ed Ludlow too, is when you look at the 353 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: supply chain function on Nvidia their top customers, it's kind 354 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: of a who's who of big megacap tech companies. Microsoft 355 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: is their number one customer. Forty five percent of their 356 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: cap X goes to Nvidia Meta number two customer, forty 357 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: one percent of their CAPEX spend already goes to Nvidia 358 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: Super micro Computer, which we've been talking about a lot 359 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: in its woes or alleged woes that one about, I 360 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: don't know. A big chunk of what they spend also 361 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: goes to Nvidia. Alphabet is another one, almost fifty percent 362 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: fifteen of their CAPEX goes to Nvideo. So you have 363 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: enough confidence that those companies will continue to spend. They 364 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: are so important right to the Nvidia growth story. So 365 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: as long as you hear from them that they are spending, 366 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: you're pretty confident. 367 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 5: Exactly as long as we don't see any negative feedback 368 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 5: from them publicly. The confidence that demains. One more point 369 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 5: to highlight from the CFO commentary letter. This quarter there 370 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 5: percentage of data center revenues from the cloud actually came 371 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 5: down to forty five percent. It had been running over 372 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 5: fifty percent over the last year. So this is even 373 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 5: though on a magnetude terms, a small victory, I still 374 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 5: see it as a positive direction that they're diversifying slightly 375 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 5: slowly but away from the big cloud customers, and the 376 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 5: enterprise and vertical segment is growing significantly faster. 377 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: Okay, we got yeah. We heard from Ian King earlier 378 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: and also from Ed Ludlow earlier about diversification of revenue 379 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: Konjohn and the idea that the company is looking to 380 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: get business from governments, smaller companies offloading work that usually 381 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: would take place in the cloud to stuff that's on 382 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:56,239 Speaker 2: prem what's that business from your view look like? Are 383 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: they making headway there? 384 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 5: They are, definitely. And again the one clear sign is 385 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 5: when you parse out the data center into sort of 386 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 5: three buckets. One is the cloud customers, right, one is 387 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 5: the enterprise, which is a much much more diverse but 388 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 5: smaller pockets compared to the cloud, and the other one 389 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 5: being the internet and vertical companies. We want to continue 390 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 5: seeing the combination of these Internet vertical companies combined with 391 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 5: enterprise continue to grow much faster than the cloud. Look, 392 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 5: the cloud guys have the biggest wallets, so they are 393 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 5: definitely going to drive a majority of the growth. But 394 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 5: we want that percentage that moved from fifty to forty 395 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 5: five to continue moving slower. At the same time, in 396 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 5: media revenues continue to grow as well. 397 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: Just to reset everybody, because nvideo results they are out. 398 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: They've been out now for I don't know about fifteen 399 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: minutes or so. Our headline story written by Bloomberg's Ian King, 400 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: who we talked to at two o'clock ahead of this. 401 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: And Nvidia, which is really the chip maker at the 402 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: heart of the artificial intelligence boom gave a revenue forecast 403 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: that fell short of some of the most optimistic estimates. 404 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: Token conser learns that its explosive growth is waning. Third 405 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: quarter revenue will be about thirty two point five billion. 406 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: The company just put that out. Analysts had predicted thirty 407 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: one point nine billion on average, so that was a beat, 408 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: but some estimates range as high as thirty seven point 409 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: nine billion, so almost thirty eight billion sales in the 410 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: fiscal second quarter, which ran through July. They though Tim 411 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: did top analyst projection. 412 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: I'm looking at Eddian King's commentary on our live blog, 413 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: which you should all check out while you're listening to 414 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 2: us on Bloomberg Radio or watching us on YouTube or 415 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Originals. He writes that most questions will zero in 416 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 2: on how many billions of dollars in revenue Blackwell will 417 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 2: generate in the fourth quarter. Yeah, that's that's the question 418 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 2: we've been asking. 419 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely right, this is what we want to know. 420 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: So you know, we're talking also with Bloomberg Intelligence Senior 421 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: Semiconductor Alice Kunjohn Sabani who is joining us, and you 422 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: seem very comfortable with the report. Stock now just down 423 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: about one and a half percent, so there's been a 424 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: lot of bouncing around in the aftermarket. What if you 425 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: were sitting down with the CEO as our Ed Ludlow 426 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: is going to be doing at six pm Wall Street 427 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: time or six is it six PMOS six six thirty 428 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: pm Wall Street time? What would be some of your 429 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: top questions that you'd want to ask? Jensen Wang, co 430 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: founder and CEO of the company. 431 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 5: Well, I would definitely want to get extract as much 432 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 5: color as I can into the calendar. Twenty five outlook. 433 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 5: I know he might not provide that, but any more 434 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 5: color I can get on the volume or the dollar 435 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 5: outlook for the Blackwell series would be really would shun 436 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 5: all the concerns that we have right now and sort 437 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 5: of put to bed all the uncertainty. 438 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: All right. That really helps a lot because it does 439 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: feel like it all comes down to Blackwell, right. It 440 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: was kind of going in Kunjan, Thank you so much. 441 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: Look forward to reading your research that'll come out a 442 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: little bit later and into tomorrow. Bloomberg Intelligence senior semiconductor 443 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: analysts kujoh and Sabani on those Nvidia earnings