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Speaker 2: Like I say, were big fans.

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Speaker 2: Bro. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate y'all boys. Man.

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Speaker 3: I love what y'all guys are doing. Man, I love

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Speaker 2: So you know, I want to say thank you to

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Speaker 3: And just on top of that, you know, I was

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Bro, Appreciate it. When you first got to

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Speaker 3: It's crazy because it wasn't even doing no like most

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Speaker 3: Like it was Reggie. That's my whole g for life

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna talk my ship. I'm gonna pop

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Speaker 1: Dog, Reggie, real dog though, Real Reggie became real dangerous

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Speaker 2: He learned how to do that ship. Now. I took

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Speaker 3: He was my vet when we were in Sacramento, So

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Speaker 2: Man, God, dog got it really due yo yo yo.

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Speaker 4: The baddest bigs to ever grace the league, straight out

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Speaker 2: And I'm telling you he had that work down there

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Speaker 4: To the big dog in the house, man the markets

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Speaker 3: Straight up, thank you guys, Thank you man. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: Them Mobile Alabama. I've been to Mobile, Alabama. I had

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Speaker 2: We went to this strip club. Bro, we got in this.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that to my kids, and I tell other parents, like,

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Speaker 1: It ain't all about Oh well, I'm putting you in

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Speaker 1: Flow like yeah, that's the old days and them holiday

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Speaker 3: You know, Alabama, it's not a lot of exposure, it's

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Speaker 3: And that's something I try to preach it these young

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Speaker 4: When you say you wasn't ready when you were prepared,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that means.

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Speaker 4: Like now not only in Mobile, Alabama where it's really

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Speaker 4: The attention just become crazy from nothing to like crazy.

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Speaker 2: Bro, it was crazy, Like it was more so the attention.

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Speaker 3: It was, like I said, I dealt with trust issues

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Speaker 2: It was just weird. Bro. I'm just like, bro, like

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Speaker 1: Like we used to play good Cop, Bad Cop, me

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Speaker 3: My mom's definitely played a huge part in like just

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, who was you watching when you came up

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Speaker 3: So my demeanor was a lot. It was just different anyway,

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Speaker 3: we've had our bad history or whatever, and we you know,

439
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 3: we're on a new path now. But it was Charles Barkley,

440
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 3: Like when I really thought about it, like, I'm like,

441
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 3: I feel like I was just a taller version of

442
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 3: big that did everything you know what I mean, and

443
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 3: was an enforcer, was physical, like just did everything and everything.

444
00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I felt like I

445
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 3: was was similar or my game was similar to Barkley's.

446
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: Just talk seven foot Barkley. That's crazy. How was it

447
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 2: for you?

448
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 4: Once you to come top freshman, then you sustain that,

449
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,199
Speaker 4: you know, your ranking up to sophomore junior, then you

450
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 4: get the senior.

451
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 2: Year, like you get all of these parade all.

452
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 4: American hoops something Jordan brand McDonald's game, Like, how was

453
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 4: it when it came time for that? Because I know,

454
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 4: like how you said basketball ain't really a big thing.

455
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 2: It can't be.

456
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 4: You know, two minion y'all coming out of there, So

457
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 4: how was that to achieve those goals? And then you

458
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 4: know those is like in our journeys on those are

459
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 4: like benchmarks like you do this, you do this, You're

460
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 4: basically gonna do this and do this. So what was

461
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 4: that like for you achieving those goals? Because McDonald's is

462
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,199
Speaker 4: definitely one of those things.

463
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 3: Bro, it was actually really treacherous my adventure to getting

464
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 3: to that point, Like it was a struggle for me,

465
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 3: but I feel like it definitely molded me and helped me.

466
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: Obviously helped me figure out where I want to go

467
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: in life. But from sophomore year to junior year, like

468
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 3: that's when I kind of had to like I was

469
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 3: once again at those crossroads.

470
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 2: So it was like, are you like you got this talent?

471
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 3: Everybody around you was telling you you can be great,

472
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 3: So you're gonna either embrace that or embrace.

473
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 2: The stupid shit going around. So that's when I took

474
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: it serious.

475
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,959
Speaker 3: Like, you know, I started taking my education series, like

476
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 3: I'm like, I need to prepare myself to be a

477
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 3: collegiate athlete, like.

478
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: This is that's my next goal now.

479
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 3: And I would hear the hype about being an NBA

480
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 3: player and all that, but I had a lot of

481
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 3: insecurities as a hooper because and it didn't have anything

482
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 3: to do with what's going on around. It was me

483
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 3: looking at these NBA guys. I'm like, main't no where

484
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 3: in here I can match up with that, bro like

485
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 3: so that shit, Like I I'm like, nah, like I'm

486
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 3: not ready for that, regardless of y'all telling me I'm

487
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 3: not ready for that. I'm looking at dudes like shock

488
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 3: and shit, It's like I can't do nothing with that.

489
00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 3: Like so, so I kind of took a step by step,

490
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 3: and you know, the first step was me getting to college.

491
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 3: So from sophomore the junior year, I had to make

492
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 3: a transition in my life. Got into a lot of

493
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 3: just bullshit, like just bullshit bro environment, and I had

494
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 3: to I had to straighten my life out for real, man,

495
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 3: Like I had to straighten my life out. And it

496
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 3: was also just trying to you know, figure out this

497
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: new wave that's going on in my life. I got

498
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 3: a lot of attension on me that I didn't ask for.

499
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: Now I'm supposed to act this certain type way because

500
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: now you know, I got the cameras on me. So

501
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: now it's like, well, you got to be professional. I'm like, man,

502
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 3: I don't know how to be fucking professional. Bro, Like

503
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 3: what you mean, like like.

504
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: The only one around your friends, gotta you can't do

505
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: everything that everybody else around you can do.

506
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: You know.

507
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: I had to realize that being you know, in the hood,

508
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: and so you know, it's like it's like, man, it's

509
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: like I'm already got this on.

510
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: Me, but I'm in the middle of the jungle though

511
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 2: with everybody else doing everything.

512
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: Ain't want to do it, and I just got to

513
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: be cool or I just can't go and hang in

514
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: the project. So I just can't stay out late and

515
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: do all the stuff that my homeboys or my friends doing.

516
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,479
Speaker 1: That's hard for a young kid coming out or somewhere

517
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: where you don't see nobody else coming out of here

518
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: or making it like that. So then they tell me

519
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: you supposed to be going to the league. It's like,

520
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: how you supposed to believe that, Like, how I supposed

521
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: to believe that When I don't see nobody you go

522
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: to the league, I see the same dude that y'all

523
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: say was nice before me be right back here in

524
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: two three years. So I really do understand what you say.

525
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 1: It's like, man, I can't believe that. It's like fools

526
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: go like that. Ain't even my reality?

527
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: Bro? You telling me I'm going to the NBA. How

528
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: many people you know in the NBA? Straight up? Well? Nothing? Well,

529
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 2: how the hell you know? Did you get a scoop?

530
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 2: Like how you know? Yeah, so s ain't real. It's

531
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: not real at all.

532
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: And obviously you know, you live and learn and you

533
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 3: understand where those the OGC your potential. The people around

534
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: you see the potential when you don't see it sometimes,

535
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 3: so if you are getting remarks like that, man, you

536
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 3: might want to pay attention to it. That's that's just

537
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 3: a message for the youth, like somebody seeing something you

538
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: ain't And that's okay, you know what I'm saying. Maybe

539
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: it wasn't meant for you to see it. Maybe it

540
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: was meant for them to tell you that, you know

541
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 3: what I mean. So you getting compliments like that, pay

542
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: attention to it. Man, it's it's some truth behind it. Yeah,

543
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: it's definitely it.

544
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: But when you first seen that list, like the McDonald's game,

545
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: that's like the biggest all star game that we can

546
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: play in. Like when you see your list on there

547
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: with with the top players around the country, because I

548
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: know you done heard it you play au ball, You

549
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: done heard about the land Stevenson's, the Avery Bradley.

550
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: The Giant Wallace and all these guys.

551
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: To hear your name be amongst them, and you coming

552
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: from Mobile, Alabama? Like how was that for you and

553
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: your family? Like I know me and Q made it

554
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: was it was big time. That was like the like

555
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: like you just said, like another, that's the road to

556
00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: the goal.

557
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm so obviously I'm like, you know

558
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, I'm making the right steps, Like I'm

559
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: putting myself in a category that a lot of guys

560
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: haven't you know, been in with Whoop And I'm still

561
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 3: very naive when it comes to saying at this point

562
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: after making the game, I'm still very naive to everything

563
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 3: that's coming with it. But I'm like, damn, I know

564
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 3: about the McDonald's game. I have seen Braun and you

565
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I have seen this guy. I

566
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: have seen Sebastian tailfor I haven't seen these guys doing this,

567
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: you know what i mean. So I'm like, man, I

568
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 3: don't put myself in a pretty elite category, so, you know, obviously,

569
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 3: more so for me, I was the type guy that

570
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 3: was just kind of building this confidence as I was

571
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: going through this journey, you know what i mean. So

572
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: every to sit here and say, you know what, I

573
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 3: plan on being the McDonald's.

574
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: That wasn't the plan.

575
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: But when I got it, and I'm like, man, I

576
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 3: did some cool shit. I did some dope shit. Proud

577
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 3: of myself, absolutely, this is amazing, But it was more

578
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: so for me.

579
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: It's like it was building me up, like you know

580
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

581
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: And the journey I was on, I didn't really have

582
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 3: a n mark. I'm just like, bro, just push, like

583
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Just keep pushing. And their

584
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: achievement I made it just it just built me up more.

585
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I'm doing it, like you know what

586
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So I guess you could say my journey

587
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: was day to day in my mind, if that makes sense.

588
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: So it was definitely a special moment for me for sure.

589
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: When you went to JBC Jordan brand class was Mike there?

590
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: Did you get a chance to meet Mike?

591
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course yeah, because he definitely talked to us

592
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 3: in like this little private room like before practice or

593
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: something like that.

594
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: That was pretty dope. I was that for you to

595
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 2: run into Mike like Jordan.

596
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: Crazy thing is the first time I saw Michael Jordan

597
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 3: was it was in Saint Louis at the Nike Jamboree camp.

598
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: So this was like that was like my like coming

599
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: out party. That's the camp that put me on the

600
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: map as far as the number one player.

601
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: So I'm walking into this.

602
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 3: I got an invite to the camp, didn't really know

603
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: what I was going to. I walk into this arena.

604
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: We were at what's the university there?

605
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: You got Saint Louis Louis University.

606
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: Is it a Saint Louis University? It might have been,

607
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: It was, it was a big university whatever, all brick,

608
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 3: red bricks.

609
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's St. Louis. Yeah yeah, yeah, all right for sure.

610
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 3: So we was there and I walked through the gym

611
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 3: doors and it was kind of like this like inflatable

612
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: balloon tunnel that kind of went into the gym, and

613
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 3: I'm walking through the tunnel, it's nobody around. The first

614
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: person I see is Michael Jordan. I'm like, what the

615
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: fuck am I having? What is happening? Like this is

616
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: the first person I see walking into the gym, So

617
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: like my heart drops, Like so I'm like, oh, I'm

618
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: at some big time ship, Like let me lace these

619
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: sneaks up, like let me get right out of here,

620
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So seeing Mike as the

621
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: first person walking through the door, it definitely set the

622
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: tone for me, like then you go here and do

623
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: what I gotta do. Like obviously it's some eyes in here, yeah,

624
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, some mic Yeah, and it

625
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: worked out in my faith. Appreciate that, Mike, you saving

626
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: lives out here.

627
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: Man.

628
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: Could have been anybody else other than Kentucky that you committed.

629
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: To, he said, was anybody other than calm?

630
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: She said, yeah, Mike Davis. Shout out to Mike Davis.

631
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: So I committed to UAB my tenth grade year. So,

632
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: like I said, I had a lot of just bullshit

633
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: happened between tenth grade to junior year of high school.

634
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: So it was just a bad it was a bad

635
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: space in my life. So Mike Davis was the first

636
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: coach to ever like recruit me. I went to a

637
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: camp my eighth grade was seventh, Going in the eighth

638
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: grade summer, I went to a camp at Indiana while

639
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: Mike Davis was still there. You know, I did well

640
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: at the camp. You know, coach was like, you know,

641
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: I'm super talented. He loved what I you know, what's

642
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: doing on the floor. So he was like the first

643
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: high level coach to like compliment my game.

644
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: So like I'm like, man, like, this is great.

645
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: So we stayed in touch over the years, and going

646
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: out of eighth grade summer, he sent me my first

647
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: letter ever from a school, so and I knew it

648
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: was a personal well actually was. It was handwritten, so

649
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: I thought that was super dope and it was touching

650
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: for me. So obviously we gained trust over the years.

651
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: We had a relationship over the years, and he ended

652
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: up ironically getting a job at UAB. In my head

653
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: at the time and the time and space I was

654
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: in in my life at the time, I'm like, oh,

655
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: this is meant to be. I'm supposed to be here,

656
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: Like I'm you know, I'm supposed to represent Pirmingham and YadA, YadA, YadA,

657
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: and yeah, it wasn't meant to be so, but I

658
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: was committed to U A B. And it was also

659
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: on the back end we were trying to create a

660
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: play to where he could get the job at Alabama.

661
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: I wanted to represent Alabama, but you know, on the

662
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: biggest stage that I felt at the time, and uh

663
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: it just then the stars didn't a line for that

664
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: to happen.

665
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: So I ended up committing to UA B.

666
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: And by the end, by the starter junior year, I

667
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: opened my recruitment back up.

668
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: And then you committed to Memphis.

669
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: At this point, you know, I'm locked in with Cayle

670
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: for sure. I was always a cal fan. I was

671
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: a fan of his program. I was a fan of

672
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: his playing style. And you know, my first time seeing

673
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: Kyl in Memphis was ironically at a UA B game.

674
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: I saw Sean Williams playing.

675
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, I want to be like that, Like

676
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: I want to like him, Sewn shooting three, Seane Dimond,

677
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: he handling the ball, he doing everything. I'm like, that's

678
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: exactly how I'm trying to hoop. Like, and you know,

679
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: coming up and if you was over six five, you

680
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: played center like automatic. It was, it was no other choice, Like,

681
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: you know, that's just the times of the game. That

682
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: goes along with the evolution of the game. But coming up,

683
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: you know, they put you in the basket and every

684
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: old head trying to teach you to do the.

685
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: Skyhook or whatever. Yeah, jump hook, sky hook.

686
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: So you know, I saw Sean and I'm like, man,

687
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: that's how I'm trying to play, like you know what

688
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: I mean.

689
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: So I knew about Kyle.

690
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: He finally reached out when I opened my recruitment back up,

691
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: and once he did, I'm like.

692
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: This is exactly where I'm not brain like, yeah, with.

693
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: The Memphis situation, obviously, Kyle left and went to Kentucky

694
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: that same summer. So I had already been on a

695
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: visit to Kentucky. So luckily enough, you know, I kind

696
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: of knew the works of it, so well, not a visit.

697
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: I went to the camp, but obviously they showed me

698
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: around on an unofficial Yeah, so I knew about Kentucky.

699
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: So it was just like, this is an easy decision.

700
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: I just follow you there.

701
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: How was it, you know, seeing the recruiting class, you

702
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: and John leading away with the guys, y'all coming in, Like,

703
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: what was the mentality because y'all knew y'all had a

704
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: bunch of talent, plus with the talent they had left

705
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: over from from last year, what was the mindset going

706
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: into that because y'all was ranked high at the beginning

707
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: of the season to win it all.

708
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: So with that, I ain't gonna lie, Bro.

709
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: When it came to Memphis, like, you know, I was

710
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: preparing for college, like I'm I'm prepared to go here,

711
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: get better, you know, not thinking about no One and

712
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: done type like I'm going to college. This is about

713
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: to be dope, and you know you kind of had

714
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: that interaction with the fans and things.

715
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: Was it was through Facebook back then, so it was

716
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: a little bit I mean.

717
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,239
Speaker 3: Right right right Facebook, my Space ship like that, so

718
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: it was a little different with the interaction. But Bro,

719
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: once that switch happened to Kentucky, Bro, it was a

720
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: whole other type of pressure.

721
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: Like it was it was Lucky Nation.

722
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it went like the narrative went from you know,

723
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: this talented group of freshmen about to come into Memphis,

724
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: like you know, kind of followed because after that it

725
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: was it was d Rose and it was Tyreek and

726
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: we were that next class coming in, so you know,

727
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 3: Kyle was doing his own thing in that era of basketball.

728
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: Once it switched to Kentucky, it was like a whole

729
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: So it went from the talented freshman to you know,

730
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: this freshman class can lead us to a championship.

731
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: Yeah hello, like.

732
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: Damn, like like we haven't even had a practice yet, like,

733
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: so it definitely moving to Kentucky definitely put a whole

734
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: new attention on us, you know. And at the time,

735
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: you know, Kentucky was it was kind of their down years.

736
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: They were in their dog years at the time, so

737
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 3: it was like a whole new energy. They were craving

738
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: a winning you know, situation, and it just everything just

739
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, lined up together perfectly and some

740
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: of the best times in my life, bro. Honestly, like,

741
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: I've never had that much fun playing basketball, Like outside

742
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: of Kentucky, it's not even close.

743
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 4: Not even What was those practices like, man, like y'all

744
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 4: was so stacked up and loaded at you know, top

745
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: the bottom of the rustle, Like what was those what

746
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 4: was those practices like? And then I want to know,

747
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: what was it like for your first midnight madness?

748
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 2: Oh man?

749
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: So those practices, bro, it was like Clash of the Titans,

750
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: like every day.

751
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 4: Bro.

752
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: On one end, it's the guards going at it.

753
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 3: You got Jay Wall, you got bled like these dudes,

754
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: and I ain't gonna lie them dude. Set them two

755
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: right there. Set the tone when it came to competing

756
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 3: every day. Because obviously when Jay Wall was that guy

757
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: coming out like it was already stamp. Number one player

758
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: you know in the country, number one draft pick, all

759
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: these things was kind of already stamped. The league was

760
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: in love with, you know, the athletic point guards. They

761
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: just had got d rolled. So Jay Wall was like

762
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 3: that next thing up. So it was already stamp. But

763
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: then you got to do like blood who just you know,

764
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 3: he from my neck of the words, he's just houngry,

765
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: like he wan of these lions out here with their

766
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: ribs showing he gonna eat was whatever in front of him,

767
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

768
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: So that was just his mindset.

769
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: He hungry like he ain't got nothing to lose, Like

770
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: I'm out here trying to get whatever I can. And

771
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 3: on top of that, John trying to prove every day

772
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: that I am what they say I am. So just

773
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 3: that dynamic alone. It was clash of the Titans every

774
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: single day. Bro, Like you could see like electricity when

775
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: these dudes going at it, like it was so crazy.

776
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: So between those two and we had a great group

777
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: of a great group of bigs with Patrick.

778
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: Patterson, Daniel Orton, Josh Yeah.

779
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: So we had a great group of big same thing, like,

780
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: were going at it every day. You know, I'm the

781
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: best big coming out of high school at the time,

782
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: but d O ranked number two.

783
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: He like, shit, I want that too, Like you know

784
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: what I mean, I want that love.

785
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: So every day we competed and it was never where

786
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: it was jealousy, envy or hating on the next man.

787
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: It was simply out of love.

788
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: Like j Wall knew Blad was hungry, like I'm embraced

789
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: that and I'm a battle with you. Blad knew that

790
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: John was trying to prove. He was that it's cool.

791
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna help you get there, bro, We're gonna work

792
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: every day. And it was the same thing that went

793
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: with the bigs, and you know, it was one big

794
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: family and we kind of set that tone and standard

795
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 3: as far as how to you know, carry yourself, how

796
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: to embrace you know, your teammates one another, embrace the

797
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: talent around you, Like it wasn't about one person.

798
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: We got too much talent if everybody everybody went and we.

799
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: Kind of set that that tone when it came to

800
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: coming into Kentucky and that's why it's been so.

801
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: Successful over the years.

802
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: But like I said, it was the best time of

803
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: my life when it came to basketball.

804
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 4: How crazy was rupp aerena for Midnight man is though,

805
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: Like that's like the little coming.

806
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: Out part, like hello, it's going nuts.

807
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 3: It was crazy, bro, Like to be in front of

808
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: forty thousand people, like sold out everybody there for a practice. Man,

809
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: they in there going crazy, bro, fire wors, They got

810
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 3: the whole stage set up or us and you know

811
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: that's pretty common now, but at the time, you know

812
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: they weren't doing it like that.

813
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: Bro. We we fucked on top of the world.

814
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: Like and like I said, for me coming up on

815
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 3: that stage and seeing the crowd reaction.

816
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: To me, that shit. Just like I said, it just

817
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: fed the monster.

818
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 3: Like you know what i mean, I'm like, oh, yeah,

819
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: this is it right here, Like you know what i mean,

820
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm like this, this this is the moment, Like it's

821
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 3: about to happen for me. Definitely some of the best

822
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 3: times in my life. Yeah, I took a visit in Kentucky.

823
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of people doing rooms. When I

824
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: seen that doing room.

825
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: How they took care of the playoff, I was like this,

826
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: like this, it's.

827
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 4: Crazy Muhammad big Z up there showing me around on

828
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 4: my visit.

829
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, here she moved.

830
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 3: We were the last class for the Wildcat No, it

831
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: was two more classes for the Wildcat lies. They got

832
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: a whole Man, it's nothing like you crazy now, like

833
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: everything has changed. But then campus is completely different. Bro,

834
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: it's not the same school. And I'm glad to know

835
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: I played a huge part of that.

836
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: Straight up, put some of them bricks in there. I'll

837
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: definitely put some of them buildings up.

838
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: Man, speak about the fan base, because Kentucky got one

839
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: of the biggest fan bases ever. And I know people

840
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: still to this day be like Wildcat So you just

841
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: randomly people just be like Kentucky, that's just a fan

842
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: base of being a Wildcat, Like that's like a forever

843
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: thing and they got one of the biggest fans. Just

844
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: speak about the fan base and how on the road

845
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: and everywhere y'all went they came and represented for y'all.

846
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 3: When I tell you, the best fan base that ever still. Yeah, Like, man,

847
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 3: they gonna support you through thick and then they gonna

848
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: support you ten years, fifteen, twenty twenty five. They literally

849
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: love you and support you for the rest of your life.

850
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: Like yeah, they're one of the best fan bases I've

851
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: ever been a part of. The support it's NonStop, bro.

852
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 3: We could play a game on Mars, they gonna show

853
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: up one hundred thousand deep bro blue shirted up, like

854
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So the best fan base ever, man,

855
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: and I'm blessed in honor.

856
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: To be a part of it.

857
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: They've you know, supported me through my entire career and

858
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: they still support me.

859
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: You know, I'm forever grateful for that. How did you

860
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 2: get the nickname Boogie? Strictly?

861
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 3: Strict was my coach at UK Strict, So you know,

862
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 3: Strict had he had his own little lingo back then,

863
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: and you know he would say, you know, this guy

864
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: got boogie in his game. He got a lot of

865
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: bug in his game. So uh he told me that

866
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: one day and I'm like appreciate, like and coming from Strict,

867
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, thank you, Strict one of them like, yeah.

868
00:40:59,080 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 4: So.

869
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: Strict boogie boogie and it bro you calling me boogie bet,

870
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: that's my name. You hurt stract my name boogie, So

871
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 3: strict stamped that and you know it's stuck ever since.

872
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 2: That's what's up.

873
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, that's that's the goat shit right there. Yeah,

874
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah.

875
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: At the end of the season, was it easy like that?

876
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: You know, like coming down and stretch because y'all was like, damn,

877
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 4: they're like a semi pro team. Y'all was being had

878
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 4: like seven I don't know, six seven dudes projected in

879
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 4: the draft and this and that, Like once y'all, once

880
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 4: y'all ended the season that you already know like all right,

881
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 4: this is what we're about to do, were about to

882
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 4: It's about to be a we out of here type situation.

883
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: How did that go for you? Nah, that wasn't the

884
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: case for me. You know, I was hurt when we lost.

885
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: You know, obviously it was very unexpected for us because

886
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: you know, we felt like we were the best team.

887
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that college shit just different.

888
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: All it take is one and you know, the league

889
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: and professional sports, you get a couple of chances, you

890
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like you can mess up one

891
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: game and come back and have three four strongers.

892
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: College is one bad game is over, So it's not

893
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: Missoul and West Virginia.

894
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: Man, I got my little author fis every time Joe Misula,

895
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 3: I can't believe it.

896
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: Bro.

897
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: But but as far as what we were saying, I

898
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 3: got off the track a little bit.

899
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: What I'm saying now.

900
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: Talking about like when you when the season ended, was

901
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 4: it right? You know y'all was out of there?

902
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 3: It was one person that knew they was out of

903
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 3: that was Jay Wall, like it just he was the

904
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: number one pick, like there's no reason to come back.

905
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: But for me, it was probably about a week or

906
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 3: two stretch like after that season was over, where you know,

907
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: you kind of recovering from the loss, and you know,

908
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: I ain't got twenty agents lined up, you know, waiting

909
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: all right, you know, all right, packing shit up, let's

910
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: go get Like I didn't have that type situation.

911
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: So I'm like calling home to mom, like, hey, man,

912
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: like what I do now? Like you know what I'm saying.

913
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: She's like, hey, just finish the school year out, Like

914
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 3: that's all you need to be worried about. So I'm like, man,

915
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: at this point I'm assuming I'm coming back.

916
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 2: Like, I have a talk with Kyle, and it was

917
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: it was short and sweet.

918
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: I've been on record saying this before, but it's just

919
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: Kyle was just like, man, if you want to help

920
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: my family, you'll come back.

921
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: If you want to help your family, you're going to

922
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: the pros. You here.

923
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm just all right, I appreciate you, Cayl

924
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: like I know what I'm gonna do.

925
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Kyle he's always.

926
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: Been that that type of guy when it comes to,

927
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: you know, doing what's best for the player. He cares

928
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: about the players like he cares about their futures. And

929
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: obviously it's to help me help you business. That's just

930
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: how our coach and their relationship works. Like if you

931
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: help me, I can help you, like simple as that.

932
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: So that was understood, and you know he helped pushed

933
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 3: me and help me get to that point where I

934
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 3: was prepared or I would or I was confident enough

935
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 3: to try to take that jump into the next level.

936
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: So you know it was Kyle he basically made that

937
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: decision for me. But yeah, my crow baby ass, I

938
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: definitely was ready to come back. I'm like me and

939
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: genre dorm mates you know, the next day after the game,

940
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, bro, we're running his back right, Like.

941
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: Man, hell now I'm out of here. I'm like, you're right,

942
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm about to go get a suit.

943
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: You feel me?

944
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you tripping, bro, I'm actually out of here

945
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: next week.

946
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:58,479
Speaker 2: Man, you keep whatever I leave. Your process is draft?

947
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: Did you have to work out for a bunch of teams?

948
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: How many teams that I worked out for? I worked

949
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: out for Philly who had the third pick. I worked

950
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 3: out for Jersey who had the second pick. I worked

951
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: out for the Kings. Oh, in Detroit. I had a

952
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 3: secret workout with Detroit or whatever. So the last minute workout.

953
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: But as far as you know, trying to you know,

954
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: once you kind of get the agent, they start trying to,

955
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: you know, get the right fit for your guy. And

956
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: at the time, Joe Dumars was the GM of the Pistons,

957
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: So you know, I think me and him working together

958
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: and me coming in the league definitely would have been

959
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: perfect for me coming up, Like he would have been

960
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 3: a great guy, yeah, to kind of guide me through

961
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 3: because like I said, it's relatable, you know what I mean,

962
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: he understands, he gets it, and I definitely think he

963
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: could have helped me on a clearer path or a

964
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 3: cleaner path for that matter.

965
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 4: Did you feel like you knew you was gonna possibly

966
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 4: go to the Kings in the draft? Honestly, No, that's crazy.

967
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: Well then the way I did think, Yeah, in a

968
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: way I did my literally my best workout was Fuddy Kings,

969
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: Like I shot like seventy three percent or something for

970
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: the entire workout, like it was something crazy, But I

971
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: didn't think I was on the sack, like I was

972
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: looking at rosters and things of that nature. And at

973
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: the time, Philly, Philly needed a big yeah something like

974
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: it only makes sense like for me to go to Philly,

975
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

976
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: Like, but it didn't.

977
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: It didn't happen, and I had a great workout in Philly.

978
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: I actually matched up against Derek Favors at the time.

979
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: And you know, in my opinion, he may feel otherwise,

980
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: but if for show was like that, I cooked Bro

981
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: like I cooked bro in the workouts, so and he

982
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: may say otherwise, but whatever, but you know, I felt like,

983
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: all right, I stamped myself, I should go number two, like,

984
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: but it didn't work out that way.

985
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: So you know, we watched the draft every year.

986
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: How was it like having your family with you and

987
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: they get a chance to experience you actually fulfilling the

988
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: dream that everybody had for you, or making it to

989
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: the league, you know, seeing your mom face and.

990
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: You know, just experience the whole thing.

991
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: I just tell us the whole experience for the draft

992
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: and all that stuff that you had to go through

993
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: and your family went through.

994
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: It was cool, bro, it was super cool. And just

995
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 3: everything that happened was an experience for us. Shit, going

996
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: to New York was an experience. He had never been

997
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: in New York. Like that's all I mean.

998
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just everything shit.

999
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: I would say that was my mom's first flight now

1000
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: that I think about it, Like my grandmother went like

1001
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: that was her that was their first like flight. So

1002
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 3: it was milestones for a lot of people that day.

1003
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: It was.

1004
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: It was super dope. My mom was super emotional, just

1005
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: proud to see me get to that point. She knew

1006
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 3: how she saw every up and down like she was

1007
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: with me along with that Johnny to get to that point.

1008
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: So super proud, super emotional, you know, just proud of

1009
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 3: her baby boy or whatever. So that that was dope.

1010
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: I was, and I was glad I could make her

1011
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 3: proud of that moment, you know what I mean. It

1012
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: that was my thank you, you know, back to her

1013
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: for her sacrifices, you know what I mean.

1014
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: So you know it was it was special for everybody.

1015
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: My grandmother sacrificed a lot for our family, so her

1016
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: to be able to see that moment and see me

1017
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: hit that milestone, that was that was great for us

1018
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: as well.

1019
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: So my entire family came.

1020
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: My sisters were young then, so they didn't really understand

1021
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: it that much. It was great for my little brother

1022
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: because he was, you know, he was at that stage

1023
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: in his life where he's trying to figure out what.

1024
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 2: He wants to do.

1025
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: So just seeing some type of success right in front

1026
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 3: of him, not necessarily following him my footsteps or trying

1027
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: to be like me, but just realizing, like, you know,

1028
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: success is possible even in our situation, and we didn't

1029
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: have the pops to you know, tell us that. So

1030
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: I was I was that example for him m hm.

1031
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: So you know, him being able to see that and

1032
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: you know, just hoping I can inspire him to you know,

1033
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 3: keep keep his head down, keep pushing tight. So it

1034
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 3: was dope for everybody, and it was definitely a special

1035
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: moment for us.

1036
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: How was it for you?

1037
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 4: Man? Like when you actually walk hit that stage, you

1038
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 4: walk across the stage, you shake that hand, and you

1039
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, you know, like we all knowing

1040
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 4: that one moment, Like everybody that I've ever known is

1041
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: seeing me right now? Like that was how Like that

1042
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 4: was the thought I had when I was up there

1043
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 4: shaking day. It's time here, Like the world is seeing

1044
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: me right now? Like what did that feel like you?

1045
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 4: Like you say everything, every little milestone build you up

1046
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 4: and give you that confidence like this is like at

1047
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 4: this point the highest peak you'dn recent your life, Like

1048
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 4: what did that feel like for you?

1049
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 3: I felt like I was on top of the world, man,

1050
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: right up, straight up, honestly and honestly, Like once you

1051
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 3: go through that drift process, it makes a little more sense.

1052
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: It touches you a little a little differently, but you

1053
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: don't really have a lot of time to like take

1054
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 3: it in once you get off that camera, like you know,

1055
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 3: thank you. You think you're going behind the curtain, You're

1056
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: about to celebrate wing.

1057
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: You gotta take pictures. Put the head of the ball,

1058
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 2: they put yours to work bro.

1059
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: Instantly get now in the NBA, Bro, Look, they pull

1060
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: you aside for hold on, the team want to talk

1061
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: to you, like the coach or the GM or somebody,

1062
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: give you a little second.

1063
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: From your little photo and all of this, and then

1064
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: you get that in right back to you getting right

1065
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 2: back to work, bro.

1066
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 3: And so for me, it's like in that moment, I'm

1067
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 3: thinking a million thoughts, but I can't really just lock

1068
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: in on one. So it's like a whirlwind while I'm

1069
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 3: up there. So i get off the stage and I'm like, yeah,

1070
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get back here.

1071
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see my fault.

1072
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 3: Were about to hug it out, celebrate, and it was

1073
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: just like whoa, Like what what is this? Like six

1074
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: million interviews, you got six million microphones in your face,

1075
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: and you're back there for four hours.

1076
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1077
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: So once that happened, like I'm just like like, it's

1078
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 3: no warning, it's no heads up, It's just.

1079
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 2: I had to wait for Q I had. Yeah that time,

1080
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: I'm not a hit of the night, Bro.

1081
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: I was just exhausted, and I'm just like, what the

1082
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 3: fuck just happened?

1083
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: Like a lot just happened a lot.

1084
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 4: Like oh man, like we just did when we just

1085
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 4: at the jail. I told what we told young fellas.

1086
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 4: I say, listen, I was so thankful for my pop.

1087
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 2: My pop.

1088
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 4: Won't them dudes, and how you get to the table.

1089
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 4: They got all of these things. It's stuff everywhere. Well,

1090
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 4: my pops took everything. It's the house right now. Jo

1091
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 4: I say, listen. I say listen.

1092
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: I told you.

1093
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 4: I say listen, if you could tell, like your brother

1094
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 4: or pop, so who, I say, tell somebody to take everything.

1095
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: That's why it's there. They want you to take it.

1096
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 4: My pops got chairs in the basement with the two

1097
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 4: thousand NBA draft joint on it. You know how they

1098
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 4: put the cover on the chairs. Man, my PAP's got

1099
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 4: that the old school tooth name. We got that in

1100
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 4: the basement right now, all like pins and buttons, that

1101
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 4: anything that was that.

1102
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: My pop's got all that.

1103
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 4: I told you feeling, I say, make sure y'all take everything,

1104
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 4: and tell if you ain't, cause you know you ain't

1105
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 4: even gonna be thinking about it. I say that's what

1106
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 4: you need to do when you go home, Tell go

1107
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 4: to the hotel, tell your pot, tell everybody to take

1108
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 4: everything whoever y'all got with you're telling them to take everything,

1109
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 4: because you're gonna be, like you say, you're gonna be

1110
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 4: in the tails being going all over worry for a minute.

1111
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: Then when you ain't worried, you they take yours and

1112
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: you're gone.

1113
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 4: So it's like, you know what I'm saying, you ain't

1114
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 4: got time to do it, but tell them to take everything.

1115
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: They sit on your table, get all that in here

1116
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: with something. Hey, straight up.

1117
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: You get drafted by segrament On, how was it when

1118
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: you your first practice, when you finally got got in there,

1119
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: and you know, you see the NBA socks, you see

1120
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: your last name on the back of the jerseys. How

1121
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: was that to see all that?

1122
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 2: That was fired? But you know, it's also different because

1123
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 2: once you get drafted, you start practicing with the team.

1124
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 3: But it ain't the team. It's the summer league team. Yeah,

1125
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: it's some league.

1126
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. So for me, when I got drafted, I flew

1127
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: out the next day.

1128
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 3: We get straight to work. It's summer league. We're getting

1129
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 3: ready for summer league now. So I'm out here cooking

1130
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: it and I'm frying. I'm like, oh, it's up like this,

1131
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: it like and it almost got to the point I'm like, man,

1132
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 3: this ship kind of easy.

1133
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:30,959
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1134
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: And like I said, this is a summer league roster,

1135
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: so it was smooth. Like you know what I'm saying.

1136
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 3: I thought, I thought this, I'm like, this is gonna

1137
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 3: be easy. I'm thinking the level of competition is this?

1138
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, mis leads a little bit. I was in

1139
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: for a rude awakening.

1140
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: Brother, get to the league and got way better than

1141
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: Don't miss Man.

1142
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: I matched up with Samuel dallon Bird and practice bro.

1143
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 3: I couldn't get a shot off. I couldn't get a shot.

1144
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: Off straight up and down. But yeah, Sammy was blocking everything.

1145
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 1: Back then, I remember the first time we met Sammy

1146
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: at Nike camp.

1147
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: You remember that? You yeah, the headphone?

1148
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: Yes, we first time we met Sammy at an camp.

1149
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: He didn't know no English, but all he knew was

1150
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 1: Tupac lyrics. All he used to listen to was Tupac

1151
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: in his headphone. But he knew every Tupac lyric that was.

1152
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 2: And he ain't know no other English. That's hard. All

1153
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: he used to do is that was my guy. Man,

1154
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 2: How was it? You know what I'm saying.

1155
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: You go through your rookie year and you kind of

1156
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: see what the league is you come to All Star

1157
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: Game and you get a chance to be on the

1158
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: on the All Star team, the Rookie All Star Team.

1159
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: How was like that to get the experience that that weekend?

1160
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: That was your first All Star weekend?

1161
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: Man, that's probably like the first time I felt like

1162
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. You know, you watch TV

1163
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: and you see the celebrities walking across the red carpet

1164
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 3: and shit, like like the Hollywood stars like they just

1165
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, people falling at their feeding.

1166
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: Ship like city crazy.

1167
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 3: I would say, that's like my first, bro, I'm like,

1168
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 3: everybody know who I am, Like, I can't I can't

1169
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: walk up to the corner store and get some chips

1170
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 3: without hey can I get your art?

1171
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: Like it was.

1172
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 3: So I would I would say, that's the first time

1173
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 3: I really felt like a celebrity bro Like, and then

1174
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 3: it happened to be in La, so it was it

1175
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: was just different, like crazy but crazy experience All Star

1176
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 3: Weekend with you know, you know how it go. It's crazy, bro, Like,

1177
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 3: it's a gang of parties. It's a good time. It's

1178
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: almost too much to do, Like you could be partying

1179
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 3: all day for real. So I'm not the craziest partier,

1180
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 3: but you know I had I definitely had a great

1181
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 3: time out there. So I ain't got no wild I

1182
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 3: ain't got like no wild party stories or nothing like that.

1183
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: I definitely had a good time.

1184
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 4: Was that the first time, Like it was like a

1185
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 4: celebrity that you that you knew from like seeing on

1186
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 4: TV or seeing somewhere like, but you didn't know them

1187
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 4: and they spoke to you, and you was like, oh,

1188
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 4: like wait a minute, like did that happen to you

1189
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 4: there at that point?

1190
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: Bro?

1191
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 3: It was a few times Chris Rock spoke to me,

1192
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the fuck? Like I got a little

1193
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 3: nod from like Jack Nicholson. It was just crazy and

1194
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 3: I'm just seeing these people. I'm just like spinning in

1195
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 3: circles at all these people. Like it was definitely cool

1196
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 3: to like Fat Joe, that is crazy like people I

1197
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 3: grew up watching, So it like for them to know

1198
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: me by name, Like it was definitely like a surreal moment.

1199
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 2: It's just a part of that journey, y'all know how

1200
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: it goes. Man that ship, you know you did something

1201
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 2: for sure, like it's somebody in there. Yeah, I definitely, Yeah,

1202
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 2: you feel like the ship bro, Like, damn, this is cool.

1203
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was your biggest adjustment your rookie year? Like,

1204
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, because like you played in Summer League, you dominated,

1205
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: but now you're in the league and you run into

1206
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: these these guys who are vestering to Tim Duncans that

1207
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: all these guys that you have to match up with.

1208
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: What was your biggest adjustment your rookie year that you

1209
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: had to really learn on the fly.

1210
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: For me, it was more so just slowing down.

1211
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: Like, you know, I've always had like a natural feel

1212
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: for the game. You know, the way I played the game.

1213
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 3: It was always like I was a counter player. So

1214
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 3: whatever you took away, I just did the opposite. That

1215
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: was my game. You know, you don't really become him

1216
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 3: in the league until you get that pace. Like it's

1217
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 3: hard to kind of put it in the words, but

1218
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 3: it's like you're thinking how much they do it never

1219
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 3: changed your pace, Like, it was just slowing down. You know,

1220
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 3: you coming in, you making fast as moves, you're all

1221
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 3: off balance.

1222
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 2: It's when about the fall, Yeah, you tripping over your feet.

1223
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 3: So it was more so just you know, finding my

1224
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 3: pace and just kind of slowing down. Yeah, as young

1225
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: guys in the league, we come in and we super impatient,

1226
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 3: Like it's a lot of anxiousness to like, let me

1227
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 3: get this right. So you do a lot of like

1228
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 3: rushed things on the court. So me figuring that out

1229
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: and just finding the pace and learning to.

1230
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: Be patient with the moods and things of that nature.

1231
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: Once I got that, you know, it kind of fell

1232
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: into place for me. You went through a coaching change

1233
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: your first year, didn't you? Every year? How was that?

1234
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 4: Getting in being a rookie and you trying to, like

1235
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 4: you said, you trying to learn the league, understand the league,

1236
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 4: figure out how to play. Then boom, coach get fired.

1237
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 4: You get a new coaches that're like starting back over

1238
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 4: from scratch, trying to figure out Now you got to

1239
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 4: figure out his direction.

1240
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: And what he want from you and what he asked

1241
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: you to do. How was that? Man? It was tough.

1242
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: It was for the most part.

1243
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 3: I just dealt with a lot of frustration year in

1244
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 3: and year out, because one I put these these expectations

1245
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 3: on myself, Like you said, once I make got my

1246
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 3: foot in the door, it's like I want to do this,

1247
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 3: this and this. I'm like, I'm trying to make the playoffs.

1248
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be an All Star all of these things,

1249
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: and you know, your mindset can be that that your

1250
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: franchise mindset could be something totally different. Like and for

1251
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 3: the average person, they don't realize, like the basketball part

1252
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 3: of the NBA where we at today, it's probably about

1253
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: forty percent, Like basketball is about forty percent. The other

1254
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 3: sixty is all business like politics, This is a business,

1255
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 3: Like these are billionaires and this is a hobby for them,

1256
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 3: Like they trying to fin make more money from my hobby,

1257
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So you may get drafted

1258
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 3: to this franchise and you're like, man, I'm trying to

1259
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 3: go be great. I got I'm trying to be better

1260
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: than Jordan, But that don't mean your franchise want.

1261
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: We ain't ready to win right now, like you know

1262
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: what I mean. So it was more so.

1263
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: That frustration like I had to deal with on top

1264
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 3: of like I felt like I learned the NBA through chaos,

1265
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 3: Like it was just.

1266
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 2: So I operated in a way of chaos, like you

1267
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

1268
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 3: That wasn't necessarily what the league was like, Like I

1269
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 3: looked at a lot of guys, a lot of other

1270
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 3: guys like environments in their situations, and I'm just like, man,

1271
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: my shit ain't nothing like that.

1272
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: Like I'm and you know, and.

1273
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: You got that pride in that you know, that competitor

1274
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 3: you I want to be the best player in my class.

1275
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 3: So I'm looking at my I'm looking at Jay wall

1276
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Evan Turner, I'm looking at Dfase, looking

1277
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 3: at Paul George. I'm like, man, these dudes in great situations.

1278
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 3: I got a new coach every fucking year for whatever reason.

1279
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 3: Like so, and it's hard enough to win in the league,

1280
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 3: but it's also hard to win like in your first year,

1281
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 3: Like that's not really a real thing like state motivritary

1282
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 3: chemistry winning like being a winning team that comes with time,

1283
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 3: like that comes with chemistry. Like guys really like knowing

1284
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: each other. The reason the Spurs were as dominant as

1285
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 3: they were they do each other, Like this ship was

1286
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 3: like like waking up, bursting their teeth. I know exactly

1287
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 3: what you know.

1288
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: What they're gonna do, where you're gonna be every you

1289
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I feel like though that.

1290
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 3: Art in the league has kind of gotten away from

1291
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 3: like really building teams that know each other like everything

1292
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 3: is like we're looking for success overnight type and that's why,

1293
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 3: you know, it's almost like the same teams are finding success,

1294
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 3: if that makes sense.

1295
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: Speak on how you stay motivated through that, cause like

1296
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: that was a thing about every team I played for

1297
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: was rebuilding or starting over, you know what I'm saying.

1298
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: So when you go from winning your whole life until

1299
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: then you get to the league and it's just like

1300
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: it's it feels like you you almost accepting losing to

1301
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: get that next draft pick.

1302
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 2: So where your how do.

1303
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: You stay motivated every year to really just push and

1304
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: push and push even though an organization is really cool

1305
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: with starting over and not winning how you want them

1306
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: to win.

1307
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 3: Bro, Honestly, I just I put it on my foundation

1308
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 3: And that's just being a competitor. Like I hate it

1309
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 3: to lose. I still hate to lose. You could play No,

1310
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be mad if I lose. Me too, running

1311
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 3: back space come out. I'm the loudest on the table,

1312
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 3: like back you know what I mean. So I'm just

1313
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 3: a natural competitor. So I don't like the feeling of,

1314
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: you know, my opponent out playing me or out doing

1315
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 3: me or preventing me from doing what I need to do.

1316
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: I don't like that feeling. So just that alone gonna

1317
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 3: have me on ten. I'm ready to go. But I'm

1318
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 3: glad you said that. Like I just remember conversations like

1319
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 3: I would complain in management, like, bro, like we losing it,

1320
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 3: Like I ain't cool, Like you got to have a

1321
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 3: better attitude. I'm like, how the fuck I'm gonna have

1322
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 3: a better attitude about losing straight up, Like I don't

1323
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 3: want to have a better attitude about it. I don't

1324
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 3: want to lose, Like that's what I have an attitude about.

1325
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 2: Brother.

1326
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 3: Like, so it's like it was almost to where it

1327
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 3: was like you got to get used to losing it

1328
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: and like be a good sport about it. But it's

1329
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 3: just like, bro, that's not what I signed up for. Like, yeah,

1330
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 3: so trying to navigate through that little mental game, like

1331
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 3: because honestly, if you get used to lose, you kind

1332
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 3: of lose your edge, you know what I mean as

1333
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 3: a competitor, Like yeah, like I know I'm losing a night,

1334
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 3: It's all good. Like that's not a good mindset to

1335
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 3: have when you're trying to chase greatness. So you're trying

1336
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 3: to be the best version of yourself, real talk. So

1337
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 3: I struggled with that, but really it just really fell

1338
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 3: on my foundation. Like I'm out play whoever in front

1339
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 3: of me. And if you had a big name and

1340
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 3: I felt like I was better than you, I'm a

1341
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 3: sharking bloody water, you know what I mean. So No,

1342
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 3: like I said, I just kind of fell on my foundation.

1343
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 4: Tell me about twenty fifteen and sixteen. Man, that's that's

1344
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 4: all star year. You getting triple dos all over the place,

1345
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 4: first person since Kareem a dude jabbar with forty.

1346
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: Twenty and ten you know what I'm saying.

1347
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 4: Consecutive twenty twenty and ten rebound and assist game.

1348
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: Like, how did you feel that year?

1349
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 4: Did you feel like you was like one of, if

1350
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 4: not the best player in the league? Type shit? Like

1351
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 4: did you feel like nobody couldn't stop you?

1352
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 2: Like? How was that year for you?

1353
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 4: Because you put up crazy numbers, you hit, You had

1354
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 4: a fifty burg or something that year. Then, yeah, a

1355
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 4: fifty six point game that season. Talked to me about

1356
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 4: fifteen sixteen.

1357
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 3: It shut out to dope honestly, Like it was Rondo, bro.

1358
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 3: He put that battery in my back. He he put

1359
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 3: things into perspective for me, he helped me understand the

1360
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 3: game more.

1361
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 2: He slowed the game down for me.

1362
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 3: I started paying more attention to details. Just everything kind

1363
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 3: of slowed down. And that was just that Rondo effect

1364
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 3: for me. That's still my guy to this day. He

1365
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 3: still coached me and I love that about him. So

1366
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 3: right up, yeah, that's all dough.

1367
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 2: Though.

1368
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,479
Speaker 3: He helped me understand the game and it just put

1369
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 3: me into place, and it had when my confidence was

1370
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 3: on one thousand. Like like you said, I thought I

1371
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 3: was the best. I was past trying to be the

1372
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 3: best big in the league. I felt like I established that,

1373
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 3: Like now I'm trying to be every time you mentioned

1374
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 3: Brin Steph, Katie, I want my name somewhere in that category,

1375
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So I was trying to

1376
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 3: put my name up there with the elites, and you know,

1377
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 3: I was locked in. I was confident. You know, the

1378
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 3: game slowed down for me. I was a shark and

1379
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 3: bloody water. Whoever was in front of me, it was EA.

1380
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 3: And on top of that, I talked about how Rondo

1381
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 3: played a huge role in just my growth as a player,

1382
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 3: but it was also the mental part where it was

1383
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 3: more so accepting and realizing that I can't do nothing

1384
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 3: about you know, what's happening over my head, you know

1385
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like it was frustrating, Like it was

1386
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 3: hard to deal with. So it was just like, control

1387
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 3: what you can control. Go be the best player on

1388
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 3: the floor every night. Like that's what you can control.

1389
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 3: Go be the best player on the floor every night,

1390
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 3: and everything else will start hand like taking care of itself.

1391
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 3: That was just kind of my mindset, and that was

1392
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 3: my approach, and I had a lot of successful nights,

1393
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 3: you know, just you know, switching to mindset.

1394
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 2: So shout out the dough bro.

1395
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 3: He definitely played a huge impact on my career and

1396
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 3: taking that next step.

1397
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: Shut out Ron.

1398
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: When you walked in that locker room all Star weekend

1399
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: and being an All Star and you seeing the rest

1400
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: of the guys up and there, how did you feel

1401
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: in that moment when you finally made the All Star team.

1402
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: A lot of people just like, yeah, you hear your

1403
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: name called that you made the All Star team, but

1404
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: you don't really feel it until you walk in that

1405
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: locker room with the rest of the guys.

1406
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: It feel the whole other level.

1407
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 3: So crazy thing is my first All Star was actually

1408
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 3: a replacement. Yeah, and that's the year I ended up

1409
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 3: replacing Cold, So it's a year of cold towards Achilles.

1410
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 2: So I was a replacement.

1411
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I kind of like walked in

1412
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 3: and I felt like everybody was kind of looking at

1413
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 3: me like, man, you ain't even supposed to be here

1414
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 3: for real, Like that was kind of the feeling I

1415
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 3: was getting. But nah, it was it was all love.

1416
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 3: I had an amazing time. It was an amazing experience.

1417
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 3: But you know, it also goes to the outside person

1418
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 3: looking in you think it's just, you know, a great time.

1419
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 3: But once I got on that side of it, and

1420
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 3: it was just like the draft, I'm like, holy shit, bro,

1421
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 3: they put us. We working, Bro, You're exhausted by the

1422
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 3: end of the weekend. And yeah, I didn't realize that.

1423
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 3: So the next time, you know, my next couple of

1424
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 3: times around, you know, I was a little more savvy

1425
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 3: about it, like let's not go too hard this time,

1426
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 3: or you know, ease up a little bit in the

1427
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 3: beginning of the weekend or towards the end, you know,

1428
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 3: just to find that rest in between, because it's it's

1429
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 3: definitely a busy ass weekend.

1430
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you played for the Pelicans. It was you,

1431
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: Rondo and Ad Like I really felt that y'all could

1432
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: go to the championship. But when I felt that y'all

1433
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: matched up, like, couldn't nobody match up with y'all, Like

1434
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: like it was a problem, Like I could go on

1435
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: this side and give it to you, I could go

1436
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: on the other side, give it to to Ad.

1437
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: I can screen it road you in AD space the floor.

1438
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: I had y'all winning the championship that year like no doubt,

1439
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: like I was. I was, but heard when you got

1440
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: hurt that season? What click for y'all? I feel like

1441
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: y'all would have gave everybody problems because nobody could match

1442
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: up with y'all and y'all was dominant defensively, offensively, y'all

1443
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: had a floor general in Rondo, and y'all had two

1444
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: of the most unstoppable.

1445
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 2: Players in the league.

1446
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: Did you feel that way that y'all was gonna really

1447
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: make some noise that you're in the playoffs?

1448
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely? And I think that entire team felt that way.

1449
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 3: And uh, it was a perfect mixture of guys. And

1450
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 3: when I say that, it took a guy like Rondo,

1451
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 3: you know, one of the most unselfish guys that ever

1452
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,440
Speaker 3: played the game. On top of him just being brilliant,

1453
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 3: and we all know how smart he is. It's been

1454
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 3: talked about time and time again. So besides that, he's

1455
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 3: one of the most unselfish guys to play the game.

1456
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 3: He understands the game fully, So that dynamic having a

1457
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 3: guy like Alvin Gentry as our coach.

1458
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: That's that was our first coach. Man, Okay, you know how, Yeah,

1459
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: let's go.

1460
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, open minded.

1461
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 3: He lets you play freely, like it's almost like it's

1462
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 3: like organized pickup like when it comes to his style

1463
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 3: of play. But it brings out the best in every

1464
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 3: guy on the floor. So you know, that combination and

1465
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 3: him just allowing us to really tap into our games.

1466
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 3: On top of that was Drew Holiday. I mean what

1467
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 3: he just did for the Celtics this year. He's always

1468
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 3: been that type of guy. One of the most underrated

1469
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 3: players to come through this league, the ultimate team guy,

1470
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 3: the ultimate teammate, one of the best perimeter defenders I've

1471
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 3: ever seen. Just the pride and and the way he

1472
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 3: embraces the defensive side of the floor.

1473
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 2: You don't see that from a lot of guys.

1474
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 3: And on top of that, he gonna come down on

1475
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,560
Speaker 3: the other end and give you a bucket, like you

1476
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So just that combination of guys

1477
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 3: was it was perfect. So and then obviously a D

1478
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 3: being as you know, great as he is, and you

1479
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 3: know I was in my moment as well, so you know,

1480
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 3: it was a perfect mixture of guys. It was just

1481
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 3: you know, it sucked that it was short lived because

1482
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 3: I know every guy on that roster felt like we

1483
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 3: had something brewing, you know what I'm saying, And it

1484
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 3: was almost like we would like the Bad News Bears

1485
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 3: because it wasn't supposed to work, Like I kind of

1486
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,919
Speaker 3: got shipped off to kind of just you know whatever,

1487
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 3: like do something with them, and we ended up creating

1488
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 3: a situation that was possibly on the verge of being special.

1489
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: So I thought, y'all finish really shocked the world. Man.

1490
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: If y'all could have been healthy for the playoffs. Man, God,

1491
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: I was talking so much shit about y'all guys, But nah,

1492
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: I was.

1493
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 2: Like, boy, what they gonna do. They can't do nothing nothing.

1494
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't just seeing you know, you know, you so

1495
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: dominating and what you do, you versatile, you in and out,

1496
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: you can do both but just having another big man

1497
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: on the side of you that just as talented is

1498
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: you do the same thing defensively offensively. How was that

1499
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: to just have a cause it's you know, usually when

1500
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: you're a good big man, you don't play with other

1501
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: good big men, you know what I'm saying, right, So

1502
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: how was that to finally have a like a big

1503
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: guy with you that, like, man, y'all rock together and

1504
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: y'all compliment each other.

1505
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 3: Outside of playing for Golden State, that was the easiest

1506
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 3: basketball I played. It was always great to know I

1507
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 3: had another guy at the rim, another guy to have

1508
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 3: because you know, being the big, it's always you're the

1509
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 3: last line of defense. Like if it gets past you,

1510
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 3: the team as fucked. Like that's just how it goes. Yeah,

1511
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 3: you know, having that counterpartner that was as versatile because

1512
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 3: on top of eighty being a good big like he

1513
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 3: you know, he's kind of that, he's that unicorn of

1514
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 3: this era of you know, versatile bigs like he was

1515
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 3: the first of that, you know, that kind I was saying,

1516
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 3: lamorrow yourself anyway, but for this generation, eighty was that

1517
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:00,040
Speaker 3: was that version of it. So you know, just the

1518
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 3: combination that it worked perfectly defensively. He could cover up

1519
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 3: a lot of my mistakes and my flaws. And it

1520
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 3: was vice versa when we would have to have, you know,

1521
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 3: the bigger bigs or the more physical bigs, that was

1522
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 3: more my matchup compared to the guys that could move.

1523
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 3: So it was always a night where you know, either

1524
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 3: I was taking a little responsibility from him and vice versa. Yeah,

1525
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 3: So it was the perfect combination. And like I said,

1526
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 3: that was the easiest basketball I played. And ship every night.

1527
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 3: We knew the paint was on lock, Like that was

1528
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 3: never our concern. We knew it was hard enough to

1529
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 3: deal with us individually, like us as teammates, we knew

1530
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 3: nobody could match it.

1531
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 2: It didn't matter who it was. It was like y'all

1532
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 2: was taking turns going Fordy Like tonight, I'm gonna sco

1533
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 2: forwardy in the mall. Yeah, you go forward like this.

1534
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,839
Speaker 2: Shit was crazy to me. That was crazy.

1535
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: One more like you got a chance to play with

1536
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: Rando twice. I went after they won a championship. I

1537
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: went to Celtics. I went through training camp win them

1538
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: and all the stuff wanted to cut. But I was

1539
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: there for like two months and I was calling my

1540
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: home boys at the crib was like, Rondo is that

1541
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: dude like I'm talking about cause I couldn't believe that

1542
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 1: he had so much control and like how you see

1543
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: Paul Purce, KG and Ray Allen basically like follow him

1544
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: like let him lead and all that, and usually you

1545
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: don't get that from veteran god. So I'm calling back

1546
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: at the crib. It was like, Bro, rondon't like CP them?

1547
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: Nah he won of them.

1548
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 2: Bro. They like, nah, Rondo ain't that good.

1549
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: But just speak on just like man, just a basketball mind,

1550
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: how good of a dude Rondo is. Like a lot

1551
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 1: of people don't know Rondo cause Rondo like real closed off,

1552
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:43,719
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

1553
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 2: And he like us like where we come from.

1554
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: You don't do all that that smiling and shit like that,

1555
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: cause when you smiling doing all that.

1556
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 2: People will fuck with you. Like like, so we don't

1557
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 2: smile a lot and all this. Yeah that's a sign

1558
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 2: of week.

1559
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: But just speak on how just Rondo is like a

1560
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: genius when it comes to basketball, a genius when it

1561
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: comes to leadership. I mean, how straightforward. It's just how

1562
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: much of a good dude he is overall.

1563
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 3: Man, super good dude, first off, man, and he's an

1564
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 3: open door to anybody. When you're a young guy coming up,

1565
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 3: he's automatically taking you under his wing. You don't even

1566
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 3: have to ask, you don't have to you know, a

1567
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 3: young fella, come with me.

1568
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 2: He's like that type of guy. So obviously he.

1569
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 3: Came from, you know, underneath some guys that were about

1570
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 3: the same thing. The Kg's, the Paul Pierces, the Ray Allen's,

1571
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 3: guys like that, the Perks. So he came from a

1572
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 3: good og tree. Especially we all know what KG was

1573
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 3: to the culture, you know what I mean. So he

1574
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 3: comes up from under that wing. And I feel like

1575
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 3: once you kind of get embraced with that, I call

1576
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 3: it kind of like a blood line.

1577
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,520
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm underneath the KG blood line.

1578
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 3: And once you kind of, you know, blessed in, it's

1579
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 3: kind of your responsibility to hand it off to the

1580
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 3: next you know what I mean, to share that love,

1581
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 3: to share that knowledge. But as far as Rondo, you know,

1582
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 3: he definitely kept the bloodline strong, and he's taking a

1583
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 3: lot of guys under his wings. And then when it

1584
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 3: just comes to the intelligence, and it's not a lot

1585
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 3: to it.

1586
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 2: When it comes to learning the game.

1587
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just as simple as sitting your ass down

1588
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 3: and watching film.

1589
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it.

1590
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 3: Takes a guy like Rondo to just breaking down and

1591
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 3: help you understand, Like it ain't about necessarily going to

1592
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 3: the gym and shooting three thousand shots like you can

1593
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 3: go show shoot three thousand shots, make all three thousand

1594
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 3: and getting the game and those same three thousand shot

1595
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,759
Speaker 3: or bad shots, yeah, because you don't realize from watching

1596
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 3: film or breaking down, you know, the small things in

1597
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 3: the game that you know what I'm saying, those are

1598
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 3: bad shots or where my good shots are. Like, it's

1599
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 3: more to it than just taking shots and making them,

1600
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So adding that layer to

1601
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 3: the game for you, breaking the game down to like

1602
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 3: like I said, more about details. And once you kind

1603
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 3: of get that mental part of the game down, that's

1604
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 3: when you really really take that next step in your

1605
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 3: development and the way you produce on a nightly basis.

1606
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 3: So he unlocked that for me, and he's done it

1607
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 3: for you know, many others.

1608
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 2: And I mean I can talk all day about the

1609
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 2: brilliant shit this dude, dude.

1610
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,839
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, and just him being on your roster,

1611
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 3: he don't even have to play what he did for

1612
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 3: the Lakers.

1613
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 2: Bro, It's crazy.

1614
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 3: The dude barely played like he was still the third

1615
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 3: best player on the team.

1616
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 2: It's the retention of a coach too important, that is.

1617
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 2: It's crazy the way he impacts the team.

1618
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 3: So definitely one of the most powerful minds to come

1619
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 3: through this game for sure.

1620
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 4: Talk to me about like finding out you're about to

1621
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 4: be traded from Sacramento, Bro, Like we all pretty much

1622
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 4: saw it on TV and stuff like that, but from

1623
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 4: the players standpoint, tell me how it is, because to me,

1624
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 4: this was like the one of the one of the

1625
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 4: shiny moments, and like where people think because you make

1626
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 4: the league or you got money to everything, Like, we're

1627
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 4: human at the end of the day, and that's the

1628
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,480
Speaker 4: most important thing. So finding out like you the franchise

1629
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 4: player and finding out doing your your moment at all

1630
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 4: start weekend you had media availability and you find out

1631
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 4: right there, Like how was that for you?

1632
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 3: That shit was embarrassing as hell, And it's like there

1633
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 3: was one of them situations where you feel like everybody

1634
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 3: knew the running joke or or the secret besides you,

1635
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 3: and then once you walk in they just start kind

1636
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 3: of laughing at you and ship like you felt like

1637
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 3: that situation, so you know it was embarrassing it that ship.

1638
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 3: That shit hurt, and you know, don't nobody like the

1639
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 3: feeling of being lied to, you know.

1640
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.

1641
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:43,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, you though you handled it real player though.

1642
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 2: That that now.

1643
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 3: I had to, But man, it was that ship was

1644
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 3: just crazy to hear, bro, Like it's like you for real,

1645
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 3: like but in my head, it's like, there's no reason

1646
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 3: for this. Gotta be lying in right now with these

1647
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 3: cameras in face. So you know that shit sucked, Bro,

1648
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 3: It ain't really no no way around it. That shit sucked.

1649
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 3: It really did. Yeah, straight up.

1650
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: How was it when you got injured Kobe reached out

1651
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: to you to like give you some advice. Like I

1652
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: don't know if you and Kobe had a relationship or

1653
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: a talking relationship before that, but for him to reach

1654
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: out to you to just give you advice on you

1655
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: being hurt, to help you out to get back and

1656
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: get better. So that means he Kobe been watching your

1657
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 1: career and been looking at you, which he watched everybody

1658
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: like he got like a Scott Kobe watch everybody who

1659
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: play in the league and people who coming But how

1660
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: was that for him to reach out to you and

1661
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: give you some type of motivation on getting back and

1662
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: getting back right.

1663
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 2: I was dope, man.

1664
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 3: It's being at the end of the day, bro, so

1665
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 3: you even on this radar, Bro, you're doing something right,

1666
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 3: straight up, you know what I mean. So you know,

1667
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 3: we even before then, you know, me and Kob were

1668
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 3: in contact, and it was more so about it was

1669
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 3: at the time where I was supposed to be traded

1670
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 3: to the Lakers. I think this was I want to

1671
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 3: say fourteen, it was fourteen or fifteen, It might have

1672
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 3: been fifteen, but I was supposed to get traded to

1673
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 3: the Lakers, and at the time it was when Mitch

1674
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 3: Kupcheck was there. So the deal ended up not happening

1675
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 3: and they ended up firing Mitch that summer.

1676
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: Oh man, both y'all with an attitude like that on

1677
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 1: the same squad. Oh man, it's been crazy, y'all.

1678
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 3: I want to be playing with it, but you know that, Yeah,

1679
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 3: that would have been dope, man, just at that stage

1680
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 3: in my career, having an opportunity to learn from being

1681
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 3: on a you know, everyday basis, and I'm sure my

1682
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 3: gang would have definitely went to the next level with

1683
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 3: just picking his brain and understanding his mindset and just

1684
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 3: honestly being in the presence of greatness. I didn't have

1685
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 3: that opportunity, so I definitely wish that situation would have

1686
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 3: went differently. But outside of that, having Cold reach out,

1687
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 3: you know about the injury was obviously inspiring.

1688
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 2: You know, we all watched Cold go through the same injury,

1689
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 2: so you know, in that current time, he.

1690
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 3: Made it, you know, more than possible to be like,

1691
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 3: I can come back from this, you know what I'm saying.

1692
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 3: To watch him do it at that late in his career,

1693
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 3: you know, it inspired a lot of guys, So especially

1694
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 3: just battling with injury, not just that one specifically, but

1695
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 3: just injury in general.

1696
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 2: All them shit's hard to deal with.

1697
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 3: He definitely was a person that pushed me to, you know,

1698
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 3: get through that process and you know, get healthy again

1699
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 3: and keep you know, going on with my career. So him,

1700
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 3: I reached out to Dominique Wilkins. Dominique came back from

1701
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 3: the same injury and dominated. So yeah, you know, I

1702
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 3: did my research when it came to guys that dealt

1703
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 3: with it, and you know, you know, Dominique reached out

1704
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 3: and gave me some great words of advice as well,

1705
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 3: so shout out to Dominique Wilkins, but Cod definitely played

1706
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 3: a big part of that.

1707
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 2: That's what's up.

1708
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 4: Speaking on speaking on the on the injuries, like I

1709
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 4: don't want to go through every which one, like, but

1710
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 4: you had the you know obviously the achilles, then you

1711
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 4: had the quad, then you had the acl Like, tell

1712
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 4: me how you mentally, you know what I'm saying, like,

1713
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 4: because these are like guys have looked ended their careers

1714
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 4: on just one of them individually, and you've had boom

1715
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 4: boom boom, and you mentally are able to stay with it,

1716
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 4: build your body up. And we as athletes know D

1717
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 4: had more surgeries than I, but I had my couple,

1718
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,799
Speaker 4: and it's like we know that rehab it's the hardest,

1719
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 4: the worst part of anything. It's like it challenges you

1720
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 4: in ways you could never even imagine, just because you

1721
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 4: just running. It's like the ending point is nowhere insight

1722
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 4: and you just fighting for something that you can't even see,

1723
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 4: like really it's far away. Just talk about mentally how

1724
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 4: you dealt with that, because like you a guy to say,

1725
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 4: it just started when you in the prime, you at

1726
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 4: the top of the you know what I'm saying, the

1727
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 4: top of the the food chain, eating eating whatever you

1728
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 4: want and then have that happen, you know what I'm saying.

1729
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 2: To have that contract here too, shit and it happened.

1730
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, So like talk about that from a mental standpoint,

1731
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 4: how do you continue to battle through and then you know,

1732
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 4: you build yourself back up to get back out there.

1733
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 3: Honestly, bro, what really pushed me was I've seen it before,

1734
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 3: just in different form. Like for me to get to

1735
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 3: that point in my life, I had been through so

1736
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 3: much shit, Like I've been through so much adversity. This

1737
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 3: shit didn't start for me as a pro like right,

1738
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 3: and that's why I'm a firm believer. And everything happens

1739
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 3: for a reason, Like all the shit I went through

1740
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 3: as a young as a jit like young teenager, young adult,

1741
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 3: like all that shit prepared me for that moment. Like

1742
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 3: so as far as like me, just like I'm gonna

1743
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 3: get up and keep pushing. That's that's who I am. Like,

1744
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 3: I ain't got no choice. I'm like, once you hit

1745
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 3: rock bottom, you ain't got nowhere to go but up.

1746
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 3: So and if you soa can sit there, motherfucker you

1747
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 3: gonna stay at the bottom. So for me, I don't

1748
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 3: like the feeling of being at the bottom, Like that's

1749
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 3: just me, Like I'm not comfortable with that feeling. So

1750
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put my head down, I'm gonna work, And

1751
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 3: that goes for anything going in my life at any

1752
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 3: point in my life.

1753
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 2: That's what life is. Life is full of adversity.

1754
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 3: You're gonna hit hard times, and them motherfuckers ain't gonna

1755
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 3: never stop coming like hard times forever. You know what

1756
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 3: I'm saying, ain't nobody exempt from it. So the only

1757
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 3: way to get through hard times put your head down

1758
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 3: and keep it pushing, like that's all you can do.

1759
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 3: Or you can sit in that moment soaking right away.

1760
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 3: That's only two options.

1761
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 4: I was one of them dudes when you went down,

1762
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 4: sending up the prayers and hoping everything all right. But

1763
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 4: I was thinking to myself, like God, damn right, man,

1764
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 4: that shit sucks up. You walk it down, though, I

1765
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 4: got a super salute to you. Bro walked every one

1766
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 4: of them down and came out the other side of

1767
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 4: it's still able to hoop.

1768
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: Like not everybody say that, even people.

1769
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, Like, you know what, I'm saying

1770
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 4: people that go through that, like, yeah, they may come

1771
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 4: back and then it's like all right, they after a

1772
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 4: little bit, they leave it alone. Like you know what

1773
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 4: I'm saying, You then came back from three big boy

1774
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 4: crazy ones and still came and then got your chip.

1775
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,799
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, got me now you feel

1776
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 2: call me champ brother.

1777
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, bro, And honestly, like I said earlier, like I

1778
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 3: fell in love with the game. So you know, once

1779
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 3: I got healthy, things don't quite work out the way

1780
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 3: you want them to.

1781
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 2: Once you you know, after you kind of deal with.

1782
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 3: That, you know, you start getting thererative they start putting

1783
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 3: labors on you, you know, not not what it used

1784
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 3: to be, whatever whatever, like all that shit happens. Work

1785
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 3: ain't the same. So it's like, but bro, I still

1786
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 3: love to hoop, Like I want to go hoo. I'm

1787
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 3: sitting at home like, yeah, I got enough money to

1788
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 3: do whatever I want, Like, yeah, but I want to

1789
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 3: go hoop. Like at the end of the day, I

1790
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 3: fell in love with hooping. It wasn't you know, being

1791
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 3: rich or being famed. I feel in love with hoping.

1792
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 3: So for me, it's like I want to hoo.

1793
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. So That's what I'm gonna keep doing until this

1794
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 2: ship get boring to me. Yeah, me having them knee search.

1795
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: It's always like when I see you, when I see

1796
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 1: d Rose when he went through he went through, just

1797
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: knowing just the mental strain and how you be drained

1798
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: for having to go through all that to get back.

1799
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: That's why I'd be kind of cringey when I hear

1800
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 1: Steven they talk about Kawhi be cause It'd be like, man,

1801
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: if you understand, why, if you understand what Kawhi gotta

1802
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: go through, It's like you got two kids on your

1803
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: knees that you got to take care and feed every

1804
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: single day, twenty four hour.

1805
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: It's a twenty four hour job to take.

1806
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: Care of these knees just to get out here and

1807
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: hoop for thirty minutes or thirty five minutes. And the

1808
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 1: average fan don't really understand that, Like I gotta go

1809
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 1: through a whole process just the hoop, you know what

1810
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So for he going through eighty two games

1811
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: or seventy games or whatever it is, he got his

1812
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: daily routine got to be a daily routine every day,

1813
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 1: just the hoop, and people don't the casual work should

1814
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: don't understand that.

1815
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 2: So when people freely speaking.

1816
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: Be like, oh he always hurt, it'd be like, man,

1817
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: you think we want to be hurt? Do you know

1818
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 1: what we sacrifice? And mentally just to play straight up?

1819
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: Still I am when I get up and go and

1820
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: use the bathroom anymore. Like they don't understand that, Bro,

1821
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 1: That's why I always be.

1822
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 2: You can't expect them to though. You can't expect them to.

1823
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 3: This ship so far gonna like like when you really

1824
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 3: think about what we fell in love with, Like when

1825
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 3: you really just think about the game of basketball, it's

1826
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 3: almost like some like we on some psychotic shit. We

1827
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 3: fell in love with putting a basketball through a home. Yeah,

1828
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 3: we feel in love with and we feel like this

1829
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 3: person to understand it or understand what we go through

1830
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 3: the perfect putting that basketball through the whole they'll never

1831
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 3: understand it.

1832
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 2: And we really on some psychotic shit.

1833
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: And we feel like we superheroes, like we can't be

1834
01:26:58,960 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: heard shop.

1835
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 2: We felt like we like superhero for sure, Bro, they'll

1836
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 2: never understand it.

1837
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: Tell us about that finals against Toronto that you played

1838
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: in and then you got you see KD go down?

1839
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: You see right now, you see KD go down. You

1840
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: see Clay go down. You just it's like the team

1841
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: was just breaking down.

1842
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 2: Like how bro, we were bad.

1843
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: Bro, even the road to get there, because it was

1844
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: a role y'all had to get there. It's like y'all

1845
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: took a lot to even get there. But just tell

1846
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 1: us about that finals.

1847
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 2: Man. Man, it was.

1848
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 3: It was a rough run and it was a lot

1849
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 3: of hype with that team coming in. It was, you know,

1850
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 3: considered one of the greatest. If we were to win it,

1851
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 3: it was five all stars in one line. It was

1852
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 3: just a lot to it. So obviously it was pressure

1853
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 3: to win. And on top of it being pressure to win.

1854
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 3: We wanted to win, We expected to win. We thought

1855
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 3: we were gonna win it. But that injury bug, Bro,

1856
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 3: nobody is exempt from it. I mean, it was just

1857
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 3: a bad run.

1858
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 2: Bro. Everybody got hurt. You know, I can't.

1859
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 3: I had just came back from the quad injury, so

1860
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 3: I was basically still hurt. Yeah, it just wasn't much there,

1861
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 3: and you know, it sucks how it ended because you know,

1862
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 3: obviously that was the year KT ended up leaving, so

1863
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 3: it was a lot that kind of went into that.

1864
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 3: But you know, I always think like, if we would

1865
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 3: have won it that year the way you know, we

1866
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 3: were expected to. What you know, what would have happened

1867
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 3: from that point? What what would the league have looked like

1868
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 3: moving forward? You know, that's always in the back of

1869
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 3: my mind. Like, I mean, it is what it is.

1870
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 3: I can accept the loss. It just happened that way,

1871
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 3: that's part of sports. But in the back of my mind,

1872
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 3: I just always wanted to know, like what would the

1873
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 3: league have looked like if we, you know, wanted it

1874
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 3: all we have run it back, same team with Katie

1875
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 3: have left. Like there's so many things that you know

1876
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 3: went into that. What I want to know what would

1877
01:28:58,439 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 3: have happened?

1878
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 4: Ain't tell me this though, Like how good did it

1879
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 4: feel like to win the championship in Taiwan? Like after everything,

1880
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 4: like you say, all of the injuries, the whole journey,

1881
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 4: the whole winding path, like to have the confetti on

1882
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 4: watching you MVP trophy in one hand. You know what

1883
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like, how good did that feel like? To

1884
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 4: trust me? And I'm gonna tell you this.

1885
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 2: I know I.

1886
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 4: Didn't win in the league, you feel me. In the NBA,

1887
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 4: I won a Big Three championship and that shit felt

1888
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 4: unbelievable because that was legit like the first time since

1889
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 4: I've won since high school.

1890
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 2: Bro, Like well, I'm like the champion like all bit

1891
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 2: it was the Big Three.

1892
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 4: But like, just talk about how good that felt, especially

1893
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,719
Speaker 4: with everything that, you know, the whole road and journey

1894
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 4: that got you.

1895
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 3: There, bro, show good and honestly, like like you said,

1896
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 3: since I started playing basketball, I was good at this shit.

1897
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 3: It wasn't good in just my individual talent. I was

1898
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 3: good to the fact that I helped win, like you

1899
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 3: know what I mean, team, Yeah, I was used to winning.

1900
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 3: So I've always labeled myself as a winner. So for

1901
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 3: me to kind of go through those years in the

1902
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 3: beginning of my career, like like I said, I got

1903
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 3: to accept the mindset of being a loser, Like that's

1904
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 3: just what it is. Like I had to accept that.

1905
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 3: And now getting to that point, and obviously I've played,

1906
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 3: I've played in the finals, I've you know, I've had

1907
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 3: my chances at winning. But just to get back to

1908
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 3: that feeling and knowing I'm a winner, like that's more

1909
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 3: so like what it was about to me, Like I

1910
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 3: knew I.

1911
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 2: Wasn't tripping, I knew who I was. This whole time.

1912
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 3: I just had to listen to y'all bullshit, And honestly,

1913
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 3: it don't matter what level it's at, Like in any category,

1914
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 3: it's hard to win. It's hard to win a lot,

1915
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,919
Speaker 3: it's hard to do it's hard to win a promotion.

1916
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 3: It's hard to win, bro, Like you know what I'm saying.

1917
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 3: So whenever you get a chance that when you need

1918
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,640
Speaker 3: to celebrate that shit because it's hard to win in

1919
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 3: anything in life, like, so fuck it, break your wings, bro,

1920
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 3: straight up.

1921
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 2: Up, ain't nothing wrong with that.

1922
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 1: I just want to touch on you know, you got

1923
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 1: a chance to go to the Rio Dejon that row

1924
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: with the USA team and win.

1925
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 2: The gold medal.

1926
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: You know, a loaded squad man, You had defenders, you

1927
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: had shooters, you had everybody. And it's Brazil. You know

1928
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You get a chance to go to Brazil.

1929
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 1: How was Isail? How was that to go over her

1930
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: and win the gold and represent Team USA? Because that's

1931
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: another milestone through this journey of basketball that everybody want

1932
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: to want to put on their belt or put on

1933
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 1: their brand.

1934
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 2: So how was that? Say? You want to write that too?

1935
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 2: I want to write there too.

1936
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 3: Why you want to write that too, But uh, that's true,

1937
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 3: That's very true. But that was dope, bro, Like the

1938
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 3: introduction to the Olympics. I was just talking about this

1939
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 3: the other day, walking into the arena with all the athletes,

1940
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 3: like all the crazy.

1941
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 2: Insane bro. I never seen nothing like that on my

1942
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 2: life life.

1943
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 3: So just coming where I come from and then working

1944
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 3: my way to the point where I'm literally representing my

1945
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 3: country in the sport. I never in a million years

1946
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 3: like thought like I would you know, get to that.

1947
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 2: But that's history, that's forever stamp.

1948
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 3: So obviously I'm I'm honored to be a part of history,

1949
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 3: and you know, one of the successors of you know,

1950
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 3: Team USA when it comes to competing in the Olympics.

1951
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't every year that you know, Team

1952
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 3: USA is one and if you are one of those

1953
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 3: teams that don't come back successful, you kind of, you know,

1954
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 3: you kind of get frowned upon. So do you know,

1955
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,640
Speaker 3: you you kind of go over there prior for to

1956
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 3: make sure you're not that group to end up on

1957
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 3: the you know, bad side of things.

1958
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 2: A lot of pressure these days, you know.

1959
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 3: I was honored to be able, Yeah, absolutely so, I

1960
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 3: was honored to be a part of that. I'm you know,

1961
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,640
Speaker 3: I'm honored to to say I'm a gold medalist, and

1962
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 3: you know it's not a lot of people that can

1963
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 3: say that. So and like you said, that's a w

1964
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 3: Like we celebrated when I got home. We celebrated for sure.

1965
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 3: You know, that was a special moment just and then

1966
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 3: being able to you know, learn from those guys, learn

1967
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 3: from the grades. We had a lot of incredible guys

1968
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 3: on the team that year, so spending time with them,

1969
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 3: you know, picking their brains and then coming back from that,

1970
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 3: like I said, that was another milestone for me where

1971
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 3: it just kept building me up. So I'm like, yeah,

1972
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 3: I'm really I'm really here. So yeah, so you know

1973
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 3: that kind of stamped me in the NBA and just

1974
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 3: kind of put me in a group of guys that

1975
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 3: I've been working for. I've been working to get to

1976
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:44,600
Speaker 3: that point anyway, So it definitely boosted me and helped me,

1977
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 3: you know, arrive to that point that I was trying

1978
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 3: to be at. So another very very special moment for

1979
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 3: me and my basketball career.

1980
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 4: This is what I want to know, Man, you don't

1981
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 4: got you got a few Duffel bags in your day.

1982
01:33:57,560 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 2: Man, you know.

1983
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 4: I know you then took care of my dukes and

1984
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 4: you know people and it's important to you. My favorite

1985
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:06,719
Speaker 4: question I want to ask if we was all young

1986
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 4: and dumb at one point, I won't know what you

1987
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 4: did to make Big Boogie feel good? Like what type

1988
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 4: of was it a whip? Was it a chain? Was

1989
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 4: it both?

1990
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 2: Was it? What? What did you do?

1991
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 4: We didn't heard pride well t mac got the flossiest

1992
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 4: of everybody. That man, how much you spent on that jet?

1993
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 2: A million? Nah? Hell and no, I ain't ever did

1994
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,639
Speaker 2: nothing like that. That's cashing out a different type of way.

1995
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 2: What a boogie dude.

1996
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 3: I had a period in my life while I was

1997
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 3: on my you know, my flex and ship. But I

1998
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 3: ain't never been no show off type guy like that.

1999
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 3: Just ain't really. I'm already noticeable. I'm the tallest dude

2000
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 3: in the room for the most part. I'll be trying

2001
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 3: to be out the way. But I ain't no big

2002
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 3: flex or nothing like that. But at one point I

2003
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 3: had about one five in the garage, like one point

2004
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:57,679
Speaker 3: five in the garage, So I thought that was pretty

2005
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 3: just in cash, just on that in in whips and whips,

2006
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 3: all about whips, so I thought, Okay, that was some

2007
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:06,680
Speaker 3: player ship for me.

2008
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,680
Speaker 2: But outside of that, what was the big what? What

2009
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 2: was the big boy? Though?

2010
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:12,839
Speaker 4: What was your Sunday card? The one that you barely

2011
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 4: bring out? This the big boy?

2012
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 2: Man?

2013
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 3: I was so wild, Bro, I had an F twelve

2014
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 3: Ferrari When I tell you, I could barely fit in

2015
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 3: that much.

2016
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 2: About saying, how did you did you do the shack ship? Like?

2017
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 2: How you feeling Ferrari? Bro? In that month? I was

2018
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 2: in that. You just wanted that thing? But was it

2019
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 2: a vert?

2020
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 4: No?

2021
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 2: It wasn't. It wasn't. I was too big. I was scared.

2022
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 2: I could fit, Bro, I could fit, but it was

2023
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 2: like perfect.

2024
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying, no more room left? Nah,

2025
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 3: I couldn't budge over to the right a little bit.

2026
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 3: But I probably had that car for about, you know,

2027
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:51,759
Speaker 3: about six months. I'm like, Bro, this is stupid.

2028
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: I can't man.

2029
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bro, it was stupid, but definitely a funk card

2030
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 3: though it was crazy, definitely a fun card.

2031
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: Start bench trade. You gotta start one. You gotta bench one.

2032
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:12,759
Speaker 1: You gotta trade one, a D the white or KG.

2033
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: You gotta start bench trade one.

2034
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 2: Fun.

2035
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 3: I think I know what this is all right, I

2036
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 3: know how I'm gonna go with this, and this ain't

2037
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 3: no for me.

2038
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:34,839
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go kg start. I'm gonna bench the white.

2039
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut a D trade d we ain't gonna cut.

2040
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 2: No knock to nobody. I know. I'm gonna get some heat,

2041
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 2: but no knocks.

2042
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: It's all it's set up.

2043
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 2: With all cold in the motherfucker.

2044
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 1: They all legend it's set up for you gotta get

2045
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 1: rid of a great So that's why y'all all in

2046
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:01,600
Speaker 1: there together. You had a lot of teammates, you know,

2047
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 1: over your NBA career with you. If you add four

2048
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:09,559
Speaker 1: more players to make an ultimate team of all teammates

2049
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 1: you had.

2050
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 2: Who would be them?

2051
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 1: Four other players that you would make your ultimate team?

2052
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, all the teammates I've had. Yeah, in

2053
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 2: the NBA.

2054
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 4: You in there though, you you in there whatever file.

2055
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 4: You in there though, But you gotta make a five.

2056
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 4: All right myself, I'm gonna go a D at the four.

2057
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 4: That's gonna get tough. You're gonna probably have one of

2058
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 4: the best ones though.

2059
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 3: I know, Bro, I know because was my teammate. Janis

2060
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 3: was my teammate.

2061
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 2: I got that's tough. Bro, Oh my god, that's crazy

2062
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 2: that you got Joker and Johannis and A D at

2063
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 2: the three. I'm gonna go Kevin Durant at my point

2064
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 2: steph mm hmm. And at my tool guard. That's gonna

2065
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:17,759
Speaker 2: be a tough thing. I got PG.

2066
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 3: Damn, I got James. I'm gonna go ooh yeah, I'm

2067
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 3: gonna go PG at my.

2068
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: Two, j PG, K D, A D and damn, Bro,

2069
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:30,759
Speaker 1: that's a crazy five.

2070
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 4: That's a crazy We're gonna put this in a bracket.

2071
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:36,560
Speaker 4: It's gonna be crazy.

2072
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 2: Yes, that's crazy. That's crazy. Tell me about it now.

2073
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 4: Man playing on a three on three team with Big Dwight,

2074
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 4: Quinn cook y'all doing something specially, tell me about that.

2075
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's, you know, just enjoying the game, enjoying our

2076
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 3: influence and enjoying the impact we have. And me and

2077
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 3: Dwight have had discussions because we've kind of had a

2078
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 3: similar you know, exit when it came to being out

2079
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:04,839
Speaker 3: of the NBA. So you know, a lot of guys

2080
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:08,560
Speaker 3: have struggled with that through our time and it's not documented,

2081
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 3: it's not even really talked about. It's kind of, you know,

2082
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 3: an issue that gets swept under the rug, and you

2083
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 3: know it's hard for a lot of guys to take

2084
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:20,679
Speaker 3: that next step or continue playing because the ego pride

2085
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:22,719
Speaker 3: is in the way, you know what I'm saying.

2086
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 2: So and then you kind of look back on it

2087
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 2: ten years.

2088
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 3: From you know, down the line, and it's like, man,

2089
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 3: I wish I would have just went it and continue

2090
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 3: doing it. Then you kind of live with this space

2091
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 3: that's you know, not feeled for the rest.

2092
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 2: Of your life. Sometimes you waste a lot of money

2093
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:37,880
Speaker 2: and time too.

2094
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So you know, me and Dwight have had some

2095
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 3: discussions and you know we just you know, kind of

2096
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 3: being bigger name guys that have taken that step and

2097
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 3: embraced it.

2098
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 2: You know, we want to bring other guys along. We

2099
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 2: want to create.

2100
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 3: Avenues and platforms for guys to take that step, programs

2101
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 3: to take that step, the next step and be comfortable

2102
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 3: with it. You know, like I said, it's a lot

2103
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 3: of ego, it's a lot of pride that has to

2104
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 3: be put aside to make that jump. Kind of want

2105
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 3: to be pioneers to it and show other guys that

2106
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 3: it's all right, bro, Like you're still great and you

2107
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 3: can realize how great you are. When these people from

2108
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 3: all over the world are embracing you, like you start

2109
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 3: to realize, like damn, like I am still important in

2110
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 3: this game, regardless if the narrative back home in the

2111
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 3: States is otherwise. You know, I think it could be

2112
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 3: something special. I definitely think it'll help heal and provide

2113
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 3: for a lot of guys that's in that situation, because

2114
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 3: it's a lot of guys that get kind of stuck

2115
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:38,599
Speaker 3: in between. Everybody's situation is different. Everybody can't go embrace

2116
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 3: you know, the EuroLeague life. It's ten months. Like people

2117
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 3: got families, people, you know, marriages, kids, It's a lot

2118
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 3: of different dynamics that prevent you from just going to

2119
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 3: another country and living there for ten twelve months, you

2120
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So, like I said, we're just

2121
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 3: trying to create different avenues for guys in similar situations,

2122
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:00,879
Speaker 3: and you know, hopefully we can turn to something special.

2123
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 4: Talk about crossing over into the you know, a member

2124
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 4: of the media, now, you know what I'm saying. You

2125
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 4: in the podcast, you on TV, you doing your thing,

2126
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,640
Speaker 4: talk about how that's going and how you transitioned into that.

2127
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 3: Honestly, I just what did it for me? Was, you know,

2128
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 3: me coming up in the league, and you know, it

2129
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 3: was always these different stories and narratives about me as

2130
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 3: a person and how I carried myself. And you know,

2131
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 3: I ain't never been a person afraid to stand up

2132
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 3: for himself. But at the end of the day, I've

2133
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:31,560
Speaker 3: always tried to be as professional as I can be,

2134
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 3: and coming up when we did being professional, you had

2135
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 3: to take a lot of things on the chin. They

2136
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 3: could say a big ass lie about you, and you

2137
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 3: just had to take it on the chin. Like it was,

2138
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 3: it was considered unprofessional to speak out and say that's

2139
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 3: a goddamn lot or you know what I'm saying. So

2140
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 3: I always struggle with that, and you know, for the

2141
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 3: most part, I just had to kind of sit back

2142
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 3: and allow people to think or say whatever they want,

2143
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 3: you know, about my name or what they felt about me,

2144
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 3: and regardless if it's it's true or not, people run

2145
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 3: with that shit. So it kind of pushed me to,

2146
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 3: you know, want to use my voice more and also

2147
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,599
Speaker 3: just control my own narrative. Like you know, you can

2148
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 3: hear me speak every day or whenever you decide to

2149
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 3: about you know, clicking on some of the things I

2150
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 3: do and you can find out yourself who I am

2151
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 3: as a person, because I'm gonna tell you exactly who

2152
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 3: I am.

2153
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Speaker 2: Like, I don't sugarcoat shit, don't you know.

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Speaker 3: I don't operate in the gray. It's either black or

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Speaker 3: white with me, you know what I'm saying. So just

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Speaker 3: me controlling more so controlling my own narrative. And you know,

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Speaker 3: obviously I feel like I got a story to tell.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I can inspire a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of youngest coming up the way I did.

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Speaker 3: And if I could touch a few of those lives,

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Speaker 3: like you know, I've done my job.

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Speaker 4: All Right, Man, that's a rap man. We appreciate you

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Speaker 4: pulling up on this big fella. Man, We definitely respect it.

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Speaker 4: We definitely love your game, love your career. Still watching

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Speaker 4: what you're doing, and we watch you hit them with

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Speaker 4: the crossover.

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Speaker 2: Now to the media game. Man. Appreciate you, big doll. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you'all. Guys. I had a blast man. All Right.

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