Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for
Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here's your host, fourteen year
Speaker 1: NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. Hello, and
Speaker 1: welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm Inius Williams. Today
Speaker 1: I'm joined by a fellow legend, defensive back Johnny Johnson,
Speaker 1: who played in the eighties mostly for the Rams. He
Speaker 1: has a book called From Athletics to Engineering Eight Ways
Speaker 1: to support Diversity, equity and inclusion for all. Welcome Johnny,
Speaker 1: and there's great to be will you, uh, and thank
Speaker 1: you very much. Well. I want to first start off
Speaker 1: with happy be lated birthday. I thank you turned sixty
Speaker 1: four on October eight Is that correct? Then it's correct.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, and uh, it's good to be
Speaker 1: closer to that senior citizen age. And also because I
Speaker 1: played with the Rams as well, I keep track of
Speaker 1: some of the records that are out there. Your records
Speaker 1: still is intact. Nine nine yard interception return for a
Speaker 1: touchdown him all right. And then once I running very
Speaker 1: first NFL interception in the third game of my NFL career,
Speaker 1: and when and when I got that thing, the only
Speaker 1: thing I could think about when I got my hands
Speaker 1: on it, I just I thought about the back scratch
Speaker 1: of the phone under meters and I just kept running. Well,
Speaker 1: that record is still attack, so you did a wonderful job.
Speaker 1: So we still got the young guys going after your record.
Speaker 1: So yes, they gotta go a long ways to break it,
Speaker 1: though they be shipped because when we introduce our guests, Johnny,
Speaker 1: we cover what's relevant to our listeners, which include current
Speaker 1: players and legends. For you, there's a whole lot that's elevant.
Speaker 1: First of all, you played ten seasons. Your brother is
Speaker 1: also a legend. Your son, Colin currently plays in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: You've written two books, you have a nonprofit, the Moving
Speaker 1: Family Foundation, which helps kids and their families when they relocate,
Speaker 1: and you write a lecture about a wide range of subjects.
Speaker 1: So there is an incredible amount that you have done
Speaker 1: and continue to do. My first question to you is this,
Speaker 1: If you could sum up your thirty year career after
Speaker 1: football into one sentence, what would that sentence be, Johnny? Well,
Speaker 1: we will put here for a higher purpose, and football
Speaker 1: laid a tremendous platform for me, and that platform have
Speaker 1: propelled given me an opportunity to propel to perform on
Speaker 1: the planes that you just described. And UM, that's something
Speaker 1: that I look to do the rest of my life
Speaker 1: in terms of making a difference in the lives of
Speaker 1: the of all the people that I have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to come in contact with. I'm thankful for family, UH,
Speaker 1: and I'm thankful for that opportunity to have the type
Speaker 1: of impact that we know only family can have UH
Speaker 1: in society. Today. Let's talk about football first, having your
Speaker 1: son play football of all positions, Johnny receiver right in
Speaker 1: the NFL. How are you doing watching Colin play? Well,
Speaker 1: you've got to be proud, honestly, Um, anytime you watch
Speaker 1: your son go on. But the fact that he plays
Speaker 1: wide receiver, you and I b n DBS. I tell
Speaker 1: him all the time. I get all up in his
Speaker 1: grill if if I was playing against him. U. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's an honor, and I'm thankful
Speaker 1: and I wish him the best and and most of all,
Speaker 1: I just encourage him every day to play every every
Speaker 1: down and this and meetings and in the games like
Speaker 1: it's the last play that he ever play in his life.
Speaker 1: Tell me, Johnny, you didn't teach your son the receiver
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville all of our secrets as defensive backs, right,
Speaker 1: because I don't want the current defensive backs to put
Speaker 1: a head out on you, all right, tell me you
Speaker 1: didn't teach him those things. It was the exact opposite.
Speaker 1: I purposely kept everything hidden from him, knowing that he
Speaker 1: would have a chance ultimately uh the one day play.
Speaker 1: And although I'll watch him and wishing him the best, Uh, boy,
Speaker 1: is that a It's a tough call when you look
Speaker 1: and know that it's your son, but you know when
Speaker 1: each DD is going through when they're coming, not just him,
Speaker 1: but every wide receiver, uh that they play against. And
Speaker 1: what was it like watching and play at your el
Speaker 1: Mo Mata the University of Texas? Well? What was ironic
Speaker 1: as my eldest son, uh play running back at Texas
Speaker 1: at the same time call and did and had Kurt
Speaker 1: Notton had the injuries that he had and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: without the pro day and mini camps and the training camps,
Speaker 1: I do believe he would be in the NFL at
Speaker 1: this time. So I had a chance to watch him
Speaker 1: both play in an ironic enuff is my daughter is
Speaker 1: currently a Texas on the track and field team, So uh,
Speaker 1: it was a special treat. First of all, having them
Speaker 1: all end up going to the same school, that was
Speaker 1: a surprise, but I was pleased with that. Uh. And
Speaker 1: like any parents watching their kids, you want the very
Speaker 1: best for him. But having an opportunity to have that
Speaker 1: legacy carry on at the University of Texas is something
Speaker 1: special in the Johnson family. What changes do you see
Speaker 1: in the NFL now versus when you played on and
Speaker 1: off the field? Well, Uh, First of all, it's the tackling.
Speaker 1: You know, back when I played, and even when you played,
Speaker 1: I'd be suspect that every every game just by the way,
Speaker 1: just by by the way we tackle back then. So
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the the the big differences there. Another,
Speaker 1: you see a lot more spread formations today, which back
Speaker 1: in the day they only ran those really in passing
Speaker 1: situations are on third down, So I think other than that,
Speaker 1: the primary one being the tackling. Have people ask you
Speaker 1: why you let your kids play football? Have you got
Speaker 1: that question before? Ironic? I do, uh quite often. And
Speaker 1: I remember one time going to a skate park with
Speaker 1: my kids when they were very young, maybe seven eight
Speaker 1: years old, and they had this big old hold in
Speaker 1: the wall where kids can skate down I don't know
Speaker 1: ten and some of the tricks that the kids were
Speaker 1: done on those skateboards scared me a heck of a
Speaker 1: lot more. And then I've ever seen, you know, on
Speaker 1: the football field. And when I saw that, I remember
Speaker 1: saying to myself, I will never ever be fearful of
Speaker 1: them playing football. I'm more concerned about them, you know,
Speaker 1: having an accident on a skateboard or something like that, uh,
Speaker 1: than playing football. What values have they learned from playing
Speaker 1: the game. Well, there's a competitive nature that we all
Speaker 1: are equipped with. And I think when you take the
Speaker 1: connect competitive nature and you incorporate it into a team environment,
Speaker 1: one that you can apply in every aspect of life.
Speaker 1: You see that there are a number of life skills,
Speaker 1: character traits, patients, perseverance, resiliency, but most of all teamwork,
Speaker 1: being able to collaborate. Of course, you and I notice
Speaker 1: anytime I got in the huddling, Coach called a blitz
Speaker 1: and I look at the linebacker and I look at
Speaker 1: that difference a line man, and that the first thing
Speaker 1: I said to him, get home, need to get home.
Speaker 1: And and that's just the part of that collaboration that
Speaker 1: sports teaches you, but football really teaches you because everything
Speaker 1: is so interconnected. When you think of how not only
Speaker 1: defensive backs and linebackers and defensive linemen coordinating work together,
Speaker 1: think of the coordination between defense and offense, or defense
Speaker 1: and special teams. So just knowing and have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to talk to him about what collaboration. Also, another big
Speaker 1: one that I thought was real interested is the diversity piece.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got a big old, big old defensive lineman,
Speaker 1: medium sized linebackers, and the little guys our size, uh,
Speaker 1: and we all have to come together and and collaborate
Speaker 1: for the purpose of achieving the goal of the defense.
Speaker 1: A lot of your work and the thesis of your
Speaker 1: first book boils down to ethics. What is your definition
Speaker 1: of ethics? Well, at the core values, it's believing in
Speaker 1: what those values are and values. Uh. If you look
Speaker 1: at the values and a football on a football team,
Speaker 1: and you look at values in life, what did they
Speaker 1: give you the greatest opportunity to be successful? And ethics
Speaker 1: is at the core of the foundation though basis that
Speaker 1: gives you an opportunity to be successful in whatever space
Speaker 1: that you are operating. Man and at the core, ethics
Speaker 1: and values and things along those lines are gonna be
Speaker 1: at the basis of that foundation. How do we, when
Speaker 1: we're bombarded by conflicting messages in our society, Johnny, reclaim
Speaker 1: our own ethics to move our best selves forward. That's
Speaker 1: a great question. Um. There is a higher purpose that
Speaker 1: we all are pursuing in life, UH, and that should
Speaker 1: drive us. And in order to reach that, they give
Speaker 1: yourself the greatest opportunity to reach it. You know, you're
Speaker 1: going to run into obstacles and barriers and twists and turns,
Speaker 1: So you need some basis to make good, sound, affective
Speaker 1: decisions to keep your own track to achieve in whatever
Speaker 1: goals that you've set for yourself. So when you incorporate
Speaker 1: those ethics and those values into that foundation driven by
Speaker 1: a higher purpose, it gives you uh an opportunity, regardless
Speaker 1: of who you are, your age or whatever, to stay
Speaker 1: on path when you run into obstacles of barriers along
Speaker 1: the way, and we are guaranteed to run into those
Speaker 1: no matter who we are, no matter what level we reach.
Speaker 1: And that's what not only I encourage my kids, I
Speaker 1: seek to encourage you know, the people that I come
Speaker 1: in contact with UH to do the same. And there's
Speaker 1: one of the things that you and I are so
Speaker 1: so awareness and and and coming from our sports world.
Speaker 1: If they're going to be obstacles, they're going to be barriers, UH.
Speaker 1: And sometimes they come out of nowhere. And you look
Speaker 1: at what we're dealing with today, from from the pandemic
Speaker 1: to the social unggress too or whether it be on employment, uh,
Speaker 1: climate change, I mean, you name it if we and
Speaker 1: those are just the major items that we're dealing with.
Speaker 1: And when you drill down what we deal with every
Speaker 1: on an everyday basis in our households. Without that foundation,
Speaker 1: life is challenging. With it, it's still challenging. And you
Speaker 1: seem like you're sixty or four years old, but you
Speaker 1: still like you're still learning, like like you're a life
Speaker 1: alone learner. It's a process. And sports talking me a
Speaker 1: lot of things, and one of the things that taught
Speaker 1: me is every day you have to wake up knowing
Speaker 1: that we have to be better today than yesterday and
Speaker 1: better than the margin today. And in order to do that,
Speaker 1: we've got to be on this constant track being the
Speaker 1: very best that we can do. That requires the ongoing
Speaker 1: process of become a more knowledgeable learning same fundamentals, but
Speaker 1: it is a process that where I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: learning something every day on just how to communicate, whether
Speaker 1: it's how to communicate better, how to connect to someone,
Speaker 1: how to overcome an obstacle our barrier. UH is all
Speaker 1: part of that process. Diversity, equity and inclusion are top
Speaker 1: of mind in this country now, and your book From
Speaker 1: Athletics to Engineering, Eight Ways to Support Diversity, Equity and
Speaker 1: Inclusion for All takes this head on. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the concept of engineering first. How did engineering connect with
Speaker 1: athletics for you? It's pretty ironic. Um. Dr Michael Webber
Speaker 1: is an esteemed mechanical engineering professor at the University of Texas.
Speaker 1: Do my coaching organization world class coaches. I have had
Speaker 1: the pleasure of serving as Dr Webber's personal and business
Speaker 1: coach for the past thirteen years. So, now, when you
Speaker 1: think of it, just from UH stereotypical standpoint, why would
Speaker 1: a farmer NFL player, African American be coaching a white,
Speaker 1: prominent mechanical engineering professor. You have what is it that
Speaker 1: this black man going to teach this prominent individual. So
Speaker 1: through that relationship, over the years, I've had the pleasure
Speaker 1: of coaching his energy research group, and so I've gotten
Speaker 1: to know him really well. And so when we look
Speaker 1: at what's happened in sports, our position as a defensive back.
Speaker 1: When I started in high school, it was a predominantly
Speaker 1: white high school, one dB black and three white dbs
Speaker 1: started in the secondary. When I got to Texas, there
Speaker 1: were two white dbs, two black dbs. Four years later
Speaker 1: there were one white dB and there were three black
Speaker 1: uh dbs. When I got to the NFL, there were
Speaker 1: one white dd in three black dbs, and when I
Speaker 1: left the NFL, we were all black. And so during
Speaker 1: that short period, you ask yourself, with all the scruggles
Speaker 1: that we are dealing with with from equity, UH diversity
Speaker 1: and inclusion standpoint, why is it that sports had that
Speaker 1: type of a transition in such a short period of time.
Speaker 1: And so I was intrigued by that, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to be able to just share some of the messages,
Speaker 1: some of the lessons from a life experience standpoint, But
Speaker 1: I knew my voice alone wouldn't have the impact if
Speaker 1: I had a teammate. When Michael and I started talking
Speaker 1: about it, we started discussing the parallels between engineering and athletics,
Speaker 1: and it dawned on me. I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: here's what's ironic. As a dB. One of the things
Speaker 1: that I believe made me, gave me an opportunity to
Speaker 1: be the best that I could be, was I practiced
Speaker 1: geometry I just needed on the on the run practiced
Speaker 1: physics every day because that you and I noticed the
Speaker 1: angles that we take so critically important and so on.
Speaker 1: The difference is we do that stuff in our head
Speaker 1: on the run as a football player, where the engineers
Speaker 1: are dina with a slide rule. And I thought, if
Speaker 1: we combine those two, that's a pretty powerful message when
Speaker 1: we look at that from the standpoint of um seeing
Speaker 1: how that can improve diversity, equity, and inclusion for all
Speaker 1: throughout society, because that eliminates a lot of obstacles of
Speaker 1: barriers when we look at it from that standpoint. It
Speaker 1: also brings out the intelligence of that the wet right.
Speaker 1: But what's ironic is, you know, typically when you look
Speaker 1: at it from a stereotypical standpoint in general, in society,
Speaker 1: athletes and particularly black athletes are not always thought to
Speaker 1: be the smartest guys around, when in reality they may
Speaker 1: be one of the most smartest around, at least when
Speaker 1: it comes to taking in practice and geometry and physics
Speaker 1: and all those things in a in a live setting
Speaker 1: where the competition is the best in the world. I mean,
Speaker 1: name another profession where you have a three on the
Speaker 1: pound lineman at a hundred ninety pound dB and youre
Speaker 1: telling me goes two are going to be able to
Speaker 1: provide the same value on a team. But yet that's
Speaker 1: what we do. Now, how do we go about making
Speaker 1: sure everyone has a fair shot at opportunities in America? Well,
Speaker 1: it's about opportunity. Um, not everyone is going to be
Speaker 1: a professional athlete, but everyone can be an executive, or
Speaker 1: everyone can be a salesperson or whatever profession that they
Speaker 1: might be in. And so when you look at blind spots,
Speaker 1: a biases that we may have or that certain people
Speaker 1: may have against let's say people of color, there are
Speaker 1: limitations that are placed on us. My mom had a
Speaker 1: great saying when I was growing up as a kid.
Speaker 1: She said, God does not place limitations on any of
Speaker 1: us either. We place them on ourselves. Are we allow
Speaker 1: someone else to place them on us? And that makes
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. So, but when you
Speaker 1: look at it. We've made tremendous progress in sports in
Speaker 1: the areas of diversity, equity, and inclusion. I gave the
Speaker 1: example earlier in the defensive backfield. But if you go
Speaker 1: in corporate America and you look at the challenges that
Speaker 1: people of color have seeking to climb the ladder in
Speaker 1: corporate America, there are still tremendous challenges for many of them.
Speaker 1: And when you ask yourself, how do you now break
Speaker 1: that we've made tremendous progress? How do we break that cycle?
Speaker 1: And there are skills that we have to continue to develop,
Speaker 1: but there are relationships and networks that we probably need
Speaker 1: more to provide opportunities because it's lack of opportunities that
Speaker 1: usually denies someone from having a shot at a position.
Speaker 1: And when I say that, it truly extensive. Sell. If
Speaker 1: I'm a if I'm a coach, if I'm a general manager,
Speaker 1: I'm usually going to hire a coach in in football
Speaker 1: that I feel comfortable with. And so I'm a look
Speaker 1: in my network or someone close to my network two
Speaker 1: to hire someone. But if I don't have a capable
Speaker 1: person who may be of color, because we're not looking for,
Speaker 1: you know, a box to be checked we're looking at
Speaker 1: the qualifications. So opportunities usually are present as a result
Speaker 1: of who we know, not so much what we know
Speaker 1: uh when network would may be a part of our
Speaker 1: certain relationships that will open certain doors. Well, the young
Speaker 1: players that the current guys using their voice, how do
Speaker 1: you how do you talk with Colin about using his voice?
Speaker 1: What do you think about the current generational players using
Speaker 1: their voices? Well, there there's a higher purpose that needs
Speaker 1: to be pursued. And obviously part of that higher purpose,
Speaker 1: when when we think of liberty and justice for all
Speaker 1: we just think of what that means, that doesn't mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if if we just think of uh biases
Speaker 1: and we think of blind spots that we might have,
Speaker 1: and so because we all have them, some people unbeknownally
Speaker 1: are going two do things or say things that are
Speaker 1: not let's just say that their beliefs, in their habits
Speaker 1: and their attitudes are not going to be properly aligned
Speaker 1: with their desired outcome, even if that outcome is is
Speaker 1: for the good of all people. So the young people
Speaker 1: have a chance to voice their opinion in different ways
Speaker 1: and take action all the way down to voting something
Speaker 1: as simple as voting, But they really have a chance
Speaker 1: to create opportunities for others by the steps they take
Speaker 1: and what they say, what they communicate in, who they
Speaker 1: communicate with. And I think that's a critical part of
Speaker 1: the process of making their voice heard. Was it that's
Speaker 1: in the area of social justice, whether it's in the
Speaker 1: area diversity, equity and inclusion. You have these little windows
Speaker 1: and if they take advantage of those windows, it puts
Speaker 1: them in a position to be able to make a
Speaker 1: difference in the lives of a lot of different people.
Speaker 1: So there's a question where can someone find your book
Speaker 1: from Athletics to Engineering. So I just got an update
Speaker 1: today on that. And the pre sale period is going
Speaker 1: to start in January, and then we with with COVID
Speaker 1: and everything. We've had a delay in that with the
Speaker 1: COVID the pandemic which is affecting all of us UH
Speaker 1: and then we are going to have the release pushed
Speaker 1: back till April. But beginning beginning in January, if they
Speaker 1: go go to Amazon, go online during the pre sale period,
Speaker 1: they'll be able to get a copy, and I encourage
Speaker 1: them to do so. Johnny, let's talk about how the
Speaker 1: Moving Family is initiative tries to even the skill in
Speaker 1: our society. You know this we noticed from from our world.
Speaker 1: Often players, frequently families are disrupted because they have a
Speaker 1: sudden move. So the Moving Families Initiative, it's at the court.
Speaker 1: It's mission is to simplify that moving process through a
Speaker 1: single platform at Moving Families Initiative dot com. But that's
Speaker 1: to help simplified the process for the parents. But there's
Speaker 1: a specific focus on helping the kids deal with the
Speaker 1: physical and the emotional challenges of changing neighborhoods, school and friends.
Speaker 1: And the Moving Families Foundation has two primary objectives directly
Speaker 1: related to the kids. First of all, every kid ages
Speaker 1: nineteen younger, male or female, when they move or relocate
Speaker 1: are aimed by December thirty two is for each one
Speaker 1: of them to participate in an extracurricular activity of their choice,
Speaker 1: and each one who goes through the foundation will receive
Speaker 1: a five dollar extracurricular activity scholarship to pay for their
Speaker 1: participation fees. In addition, each high school student so if
Speaker 1: if they move or relocate with their parents during their
Speaker 1: high school careers, then they will receive a four thousand
Speaker 1: dollar college scholarship to any trade school, junior college, community college.
Speaker 1: Our full year school anywhere in the country. They will
Speaker 1: receive a thousand dollars each of their freshman sophomorees in
Speaker 1: your senior years when they get to college if they
Speaker 1: go through the Foundation as well, because one of our
Speaker 1: goals on that front is by December thirty first twenty
Speaker 1: four is for each of those high school students to
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to go to a college of their choice.
Speaker 1: And this will help them not only with the transition,
Speaker 1: but help them develop the type of relationships that we believe.
Speaker 1: These are high school kids that we believe that will
Speaker 1: provide them uh the next opportunities in life for them. Now,
Speaker 1: what gave you that target point failers in transition? When
Speaker 1: I was with the Rams during my seventh year of
Speaker 1: my NFL career, I had a vision of the coaching
Speaker 1: process that we use as world class athletes being available
Speaker 1: to all sectors of society. I shared that vision with
Speaker 1: my life coach and he asked me a life changing question.
Speaker 1: He asked me, how large did I want my plan
Speaker 1: feel to be? That I wanted to be right, you know,
Speaker 1: right here in Los Ange, the listen that I wanted
Speaker 1: to be something larger, And I said, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: He told me to think about it. Six months later,
Speaker 1: I came back and said I got it. Like for
Speaker 1: my plan failed to be the world and from that vision,
Speaker 1: the company that I leave today, World Class Coaches, was
Speaker 1: born as a personal professional and executive organization. And he
Speaker 1: also suggested that I gained some business experience and some
Speaker 1: other profession other than football, and I chose real estate
Speaker 1: sales UH the game that business experience. For the last
Speaker 1: three years of my NFL career, I did football, so
Speaker 1: real estate and I was working on the coaching as well.
Speaker 1: But the ironic thing is observing how many of my
Speaker 1: teammates had to move or relocate with families. Initially planted
Speaker 1: the seed, but when I realized that more than approximately
Speaker 1: ten million kids ages nineteen and younger move a relocated
Speaker 1: every year. That's hard. Moving is difficult on anyone, but
Speaker 1: it's really challenging for kids. I knew that that was
Speaker 1: a space that I wanted to get involved with and
Speaker 1: and that ultimately led to the Moving Families Initiative and
Speaker 1: the Moving Families Foundation. So your worldwide coaching, your World
Speaker 1: Class Coaching is their website something so we can go
Speaker 1: to yes um if you go to World Class Coaches
Speaker 1: dot com www dot world Class Coaches dot Com. They'll
Speaker 1: find the coaching aspect of it. And then if you
Speaker 1: go to moving if you go to www Dot Moving
Speaker 1: Families Initiative dot com, they'll find all of the information
Speaker 1: on the Moving Families Initiative and the Moving Families Foundation there.
Speaker 1: So as we close it out this podcast, I'm getting
Speaker 1: I'll do a couple of rapid fires for you. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, we want to hear your sage advice and
Speaker 1: your sage wisdom. Here we go. Best advice for players,
Speaker 1: current players and legends for creative their best cells thirty
Speaker 1: years after they end their playing experience. Okay, Um, football
Speaker 1: is a is not an economic vehicle. It's a It's
Speaker 1: a stepping stone. So when you retire from the game,
Speaker 1: find something you're passionate about, something you believe in, something
Speaker 1: you can wake up every day and pursue with the
Speaker 1: same loving passion that you pursue football with, and have
Speaker 1: that vehicle make a difference not only in your world,
Speaker 1: but in the world the people that you come in
Speaker 1: contact with and you serve, and UM life would be
Speaker 1: in my opinion, uh life provide you with an opportunity
Speaker 1: to make a difference consistent with the way you have
Speaker 1: always made a difference in the game of football. Now
Speaker 1: you said something, you said, football is not a economic
Speaker 1: Football is not a football is not your economic vehicle.
Speaker 1: So when you think of your economic vehicle, this is
Speaker 1: what you use to meet your financial needs to from
Speaker 1: a retirement. As great as the money is in football,
Speaker 1: one day you wake up, you're going to retire. So
Speaker 1: even if you have a hundred billion dollars in the bank,
Speaker 1: you have the rest of your life. And so what
Speaker 1: is it that that's going to get you out of bed,
Speaker 1: that's going to cause you to have the same drive,
Speaker 1: the same motivation that got you out of bed at
Speaker 1: five o'clock in the morning every day to go to
Speaker 1: practice and so usually and that's that these these are
Speaker 1: things right here when you really study elite people who've
Speaker 1: made a difference in the world, it is something greater
Speaker 1: from an economic vehicle standpoint, It is something greater than
Speaker 1: a game of football. Here's the final question, how do
Speaker 1: we as a look support each other and even the
Speaker 1: current players like Colin in our journeys. Great question network
Speaker 1: it's it's it's about relationships. How can we is someone
Speaker 1: who's Colin, who's a rookie. How can he and every
Speaker 1: other young player who went all the way back to
Speaker 1: kids who are in high school, even kids who are
Speaker 1: in pop one of the day, what relationships are we
Speaker 1: were going to be able to develop? Uh, to be
Speaker 1: able to provide us with an opportunity, to be able
Speaker 1: to put us in position to achieve our goals. And
Speaker 1: a great example is my relationship with Dr Michael Webber.
Speaker 1: Who would have thought that that relationship not just because
Speaker 1: I have an opportunity to serve as his coach, but
Speaker 1: him being a co author in this book and him
Speaker 1: being instrumental This is a book that I couldn't have
Speaker 1: written without him. But who would have thought that a
Speaker 1: former NFL player who's an executive coach today wouldin up
Speaker 1: partnering and collaborating with an esteem mechanical engineering professor. Those
Speaker 1: are the type relationships that I would encourage um all
Speaker 1: athletes in all sports, but particularly football players, regardless of
Speaker 1: your age, to start to develop and seek the main
Speaker 1: thing and seek to maintain through their careers and their lives. Johnny,
Speaker 1: this has been great, Thanks for joining us, thanks for
Speaker 1: listening in, and the best is yet to come. Thank you,
Speaker 1: always a pleasure get to see you. By the way,
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