1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here's your host, fourteen year 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. Hello, and 4 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm Inius Williams. Today 5 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm joined by a fellow legend, defensive back Johnny Johnson, 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: who played in the eighties mostly for the Rams. He 7 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: has a book called From Athletics to Engineering Eight Ways 8 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: to support Diversity, equity and inclusion for all. Welcome Johnny, 9 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: and there's great to be will you, uh, and thank 10 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: you very much. Well. I want to first start off 11 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: with happy be lated birthday. I thank you turned sixty 12 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: four on October eight Is that correct? Then it's correct. 13 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, and uh, it's good to be 14 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: closer to that senior citizen age. And also because I 15 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: played with the Rams as well, I keep track of 16 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: some of the records that are out there. Your records 17 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: still is intact. Nine nine yard interception return for a 18 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: touchdown him all right. And then once I running very 19 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: first NFL interception in the third game of my NFL career, 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: and when and when I got that thing, the only 21 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: thing I could think about when I got my hands 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: on it, I just I thought about the back scratch 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: of the phone under meters and I just kept running. Well, 24 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: that record is still attack, so you did a wonderful job. 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: So we still got the young guys going after your record. 26 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: So yes, they gotta go a long ways to break it, 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: though they be shipped because when we introduce our guests, Johnny, 28 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: we cover what's relevant to our listeners, which include current 29 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: players and legends. For you, there's a whole lot that's elevant. 30 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: First of all, you played ten seasons. Your brother is 31 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: also a legend. Your son, Colin currently plays in Jacksonville. 32 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: You've written two books, you have a nonprofit, the Moving 33 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: Family Foundation, which helps kids and their families when they relocate, 34 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: and you write a lecture about a wide range of subjects. 35 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: So there is an incredible amount that you have done 36 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: and continue to do. My first question to you is this, 37 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: If you could sum up your thirty year career after 38 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: football into one sentence, what would that sentence be, Johnny? Well, 39 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: we will put here for a higher purpose, and football 40 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: laid a tremendous platform for me, and that platform have 41 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: propelled given me an opportunity to propel to perform on 42 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: the planes that you just described. And UM, that's something 43 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: that I look to do the rest of my life 44 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: in terms of making a difference in the lives of 45 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: the of all the people that I have an opportunity 46 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: to come in contact with. I'm thankful for family, UH, 47 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: and I'm thankful for that opportunity to have the type 48 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: of impact that we know only family can have UH 49 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: in society. Today. Let's talk about football first, having your 50 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: son play football of all positions, Johnny receiver right in 51 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: the NFL. How are you doing watching Colin play? Well, 52 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: you've got to be proud, honestly, Um, anytime you watch 53 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: your son go on. But the fact that he plays 54 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: wide receiver, you and I b n DBS. I tell 55 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: him all the time. I get all up in his 56 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: grill if if I was playing against him. U. But 57 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's an honor, and I'm thankful 58 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: and I wish him the best and and most of all, 59 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: I just encourage him every day to play every every 60 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: down and this and meetings and in the games like 61 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: it's the last play that he ever play in his life. 62 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: Tell me, Johnny, you didn't teach your son the receiver 63 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville all of our secrets as defensive backs, right, 64 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: because I don't want the current defensive backs to put 65 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: a head out on you, all right, tell me you 66 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: didn't teach him those things. It was the exact opposite. 67 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: I purposely kept everything hidden from him, knowing that he 68 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: would have a chance ultimately uh the one day play. 69 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: And although I'll watch him and wishing him the best, Uh, boy, 70 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 1: is that a It's a tough call when you look 71 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: and know that it's your son, but you know when 72 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: each DD is going through when they're coming, not just him, 73 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: but every wide receiver, uh that they play against. And 74 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: what was it like watching and play at your el 75 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: Mo Mata the University of Texas? Well? What was ironic 76 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: as my eldest son, uh play running back at Texas 77 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: at the same time call and did and had Kurt 78 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: Notton had the injuries that he had and uh, you know, 79 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: without the pro day and mini camps and the training camps, 80 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: I do believe he would be in the NFL at 81 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: this time. So I had a chance to watch him 82 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: both play in an ironic enuff is my daughter is 83 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: currently a Texas on the track and field team, So uh, 84 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: it was a special treat. First of all, having them 85 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: all end up going to the same school, that was 86 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: a surprise, but I was pleased with that. Uh. And 87 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: like any parents watching their kids, you want the very 88 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: best for him. But having an opportunity to have that 89 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: legacy carry on at the University of Texas is something 90 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: special in the Johnson family. What changes do you see 91 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL now versus when you played on and 92 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: off the field? Well, Uh, First of all, it's the tackling. 93 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: You know, back when I played, and even when you played, 94 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: I'd be suspect that every every game just by the way, 95 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: just by by the way we tackle back then. So 96 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the the the big differences there. Another, 97 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: you see a lot more spread formations today, which back 98 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: in the day they only ran those really in passing 99 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: situations are on third down, So I think other than that, 100 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: the primary one being the tackling. Have people ask you 101 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: why you let your kids play football? Have you got 102 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: that question before? Ironic? I do, uh quite often. And 103 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: I remember one time going to a skate park with 104 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: my kids when they were very young, maybe seven eight 105 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: years old, and they had this big old hold in 106 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: the wall where kids can skate down I don't know 107 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: ten and some of the tricks that the kids were 108 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: done on those skateboards scared me a heck of a 109 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: lot more. And then I've ever seen, you know, on 110 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: the football field. And when I saw that, I remember 111 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: saying to myself, I will never ever be fearful of 112 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: them playing football. I'm more concerned about them, you know, 113 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: having an accident on a skateboard or something like that, uh, 114 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: than playing football. What values have they learned from playing 115 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: the game. Well, there's a competitive nature that we all 116 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: are equipped with. And I think when you take the 117 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: connect competitive nature and you incorporate it into a team environment, 118 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 1: one that you can apply in every aspect of life. 119 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: You see that there are a number of life skills, 120 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: character traits, patients, perseverance, resiliency, but most of all teamwork, 121 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: being able to collaborate. Of course, you and I notice 122 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: anytime I got in the huddling, Coach called a blitz 123 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: and I look at the linebacker and I look at 124 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: that difference a line man, and that the first thing 125 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: I said to him, get home, need to get home. 126 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: And and that's just the part of that collaboration that 127 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: sports teaches you, but football really teaches you because everything 128 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: is so interconnected. When you think of how not only 129 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: defensive backs and linebackers and defensive linemen coordinating work together, 130 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: think of the coordination between defense and offense, or defense 131 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: and special teams. So just knowing and have an opportunity 132 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: to talk to him about what collaboration. Also, another big 133 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: one that I thought was real interested is the diversity piece. 134 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: You know, you've got a big old, big old defensive lineman, 135 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: medium sized linebackers, and the little guys our size, uh, 136 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: and we all have to come together and and collaborate 137 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: for the purpose of achieving the goal of the defense. 138 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: A lot of your work and the thesis of your 139 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: first book boils down to ethics. What is your definition 140 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: of ethics? Well, at the core values, it's believing in 141 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: what those values are and values. Uh. If you look 142 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: at the values and a football on a football team, 143 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: and you look at values in life, what did they 144 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: give you the greatest opportunity to be successful? And ethics 145 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: is at the core of the foundation though basis that 146 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: gives you an opportunity to be successful in whatever space 147 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: that you are operating. Man and at the core, ethics 148 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: and values and things along those lines are gonna be 149 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: at the basis of that foundation. How do we, when 150 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: we're bombarded by conflicting messages in our society, Johnny, reclaim 151 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: our own ethics to move our best selves forward. That's 152 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: a great question. Um. There is a higher purpose that 153 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: we all are pursuing in life, UH, and that should 154 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: drive us. And in order to reach that, they give 155 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: yourself the greatest opportunity to reach it. You know, you're 156 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: going to run into obstacles and barriers and twists and turns, 157 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: So you need some basis to make good, sound, affective 158 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: decisions to keep your own track to achieve in whatever 159 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: goals that you've set for yourself. So when you incorporate 160 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: those ethics and those values into that foundation driven by 161 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: a higher purpose, it gives you uh an opportunity, regardless 162 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: of who you are, your age or whatever, to stay 163 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: on path when you run into obstacles of barriers along 164 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: the way, and we are guaranteed to run into those 165 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: no matter who we are, no matter what level we reach. 166 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: And that's what not only I encourage my kids, I 167 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: seek to encourage you know, the people that I come 168 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: in contact with UH to do the same. And there's 169 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: one of the things that you and I are so 170 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: so awareness and and and coming from our sports world. 171 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: If they're going to be obstacles, they're going to be barriers, UH. 172 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: And sometimes they come out of nowhere. And you look 173 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: at what we're dealing with today, from from the pandemic 174 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: to the social unggress too or whether it be on employment, uh, 175 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: climate change, I mean, you name it if we and 176 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: those are just the major items that we're dealing with. 177 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: And when you drill down what we deal with every 178 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,599 Speaker 1: on an everyday basis in our households. Without that foundation, 179 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: life is challenging. With it, it's still challenging. And you 180 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: seem like you're sixty or four years old, but you 181 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: still like you're still learning, like like you're a life 182 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: alone learner. It's a process. And sports talking me a 183 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: lot of things, and one of the things that taught 184 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: me is every day you have to wake up knowing 185 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: that we have to be better today than yesterday and 186 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: better than the margin today. And in order to do that, 187 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: we've got to be on this constant track being the 188 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: very best that we can do. That requires the ongoing 189 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: process of become a more knowledgeable learning same fundamentals, but 190 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: it is a process that where I feel like I'm 191 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: learning something every day on just how to communicate, whether 192 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: it's how to communicate better, how to connect to someone, 193 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: how to overcome an obstacle our barrier. UH is all 194 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: part of that process. Diversity, equity and inclusion are top 195 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: of mind in this country now, and your book From 196 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: Athletics to Engineering, Eight Ways to Support Diversity, Equity and 197 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: Inclusion for All takes this head on. Let's talk about 198 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: the concept of engineering first. How did engineering connect with 199 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: athletics for you? It's pretty ironic. Um. Dr Michael Webber 200 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: is an esteemed mechanical engineering professor at the University of Texas. 201 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: Do my coaching organization world class coaches. I have had 202 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: the pleasure of serving as Dr Webber's personal and business 203 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: coach for the past thirteen years. So, now, when you 204 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: think of it, just from UH stereotypical standpoint, why would 205 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:28,239 Speaker 1: a farmer NFL player, African American be coaching a white, 206 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: prominent mechanical engineering professor. You have what is it that 207 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: this black man going to teach this prominent individual. So 208 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: through that relationship, over the years, I've had the pleasure 209 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: of coaching his energy research group, and so I've gotten 210 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: to know him really well. And so when we look 211 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: at what's happened in sports, our position as a defensive back. 212 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: When I started in high school, it was a predominantly 213 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: white high school, one dB black and three white dbs 214 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: started in the secondary. When I got to Texas, there 215 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: were two white dbs, two black dbs. Four years later 216 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: there were one white dB and there were three black 217 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: uh dbs. When I got to the NFL, there were 218 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: one white dd in three black dbs, and when I 219 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: left the NFL, we were all black. And so during 220 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: that short period, you ask yourself, with all the scruggles 221 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: that we are dealing with with from equity, UH diversity 222 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: and inclusion standpoint, why is it that sports had that 223 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: type of a transition in such a short period of time. 224 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: And so I was intrigued by that, and I wanted 225 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: to be able to just share some of the messages, 226 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: some of the lessons from a life experience standpoint, But 227 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: I knew my voice alone wouldn't have the impact if 228 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: I had a teammate. When Michael and I started talking 229 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: about it, we started discussing the parallels between engineering and athletics, 230 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: and it dawned on me. I said, you know what, 231 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: here's what's ironic. As a dB. One of the things 232 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: that I believe made me, gave me an opportunity to 233 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: be the best that I could be, was I practiced 234 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: geometry I just needed on the on the run practiced 235 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: physics every day because that you and I noticed the 236 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: angles that we take so critically important and so on. 237 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: The difference is we do that stuff in our head 238 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: on the run as a football player, where the engineers 239 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: are dina with a slide rule. And I thought, if 240 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: we combine those two, that's a pretty powerful message when 241 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: we look at that from the standpoint of um seeing 242 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: how that can improve diversity, equity, and inclusion for all 243 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: throughout society, because that eliminates a lot of obstacles of 244 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: barriers when we look at it from that standpoint. It 245 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: also brings out the intelligence of that the wet right. 246 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: But what's ironic is, you know, typically when you look 247 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: at it from a stereotypical standpoint in general, in society, 248 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: athletes and particularly black athletes are not always thought to 249 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: be the smartest guys around, when in reality they may 250 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: be one of the most smartest around, at least when 251 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: it comes to taking in practice and geometry and physics 252 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: and all those things in a in a live setting 253 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: where the competition is the best in the world. I mean, 254 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: name another profession where you have a three on the 255 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: pound lineman at a hundred ninety pound dB and youre 256 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: telling me goes two are going to be able to 257 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: provide the same value on a team. But yet that's 258 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: what we do. Now, how do we go about making 259 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: sure everyone has a fair shot at opportunities in America? Well, 260 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: it's about opportunity. Um, not everyone is going to be 261 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: a professional athlete, but everyone can be an executive, or 262 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: everyone can be a salesperson or whatever profession that they 263 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: might be in. And so when you look at blind spots, 264 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: a biases that we may have or that certain people 265 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: may have against let's say people of color, there are 266 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: limitations that are placed on us. My mom had a 267 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: great saying when I was growing up as a kid. 268 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: She said, God does not place limitations on any of 269 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: us either. We place them on ourselves. Are we allow 270 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: someone else to place them on us? And that makes 271 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. So, but when you 272 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: look at it. We've made tremendous progress in sports in 273 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: the areas of diversity, equity, and inclusion. I gave the 274 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: example earlier in the defensive backfield. But if you go 275 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: in corporate America and you look at the challenges that 276 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: people of color have seeking to climb the ladder in 277 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: corporate America, there are still tremendous challenges for many of them. 278 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: And when you ask yourself, how do you now break 279 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: that we've made tremendous progress? How do we break that cycle? 280 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: And there are skills that we have to continue to develop, 281 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: but there are relationships and networks that we probably need 282 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: more to provide opportunities because it's lack of opportunities that 283 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: usually denies someone from having a shot at a position. 284 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: And when I say that, it truly extensive. Sell. If 285 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm a if I'm a coach, if I'm a general manager, 286 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: I'm usually going to hire a coach in in football 287 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: that I feel comfortable with. And so I'm a look 288 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: in my network or someone close to my network two 289 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: to hire someone. But if I don't have a capable 290 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: person who may be of color, because we're not looking for, 291 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: you know, a box to be checked we're looking at 292 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: the qualifications. So opportunities usually are present as a result 293 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: of who we know, not so much what we know 294 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: uh when network would may be a part of our 295 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: certain relationships that will open certain doors. Well, the young 296 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: players that the current guys using their voice, how do 297 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: you how do you talk with Colin about using his voice? 298 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: What do you think about the current generational players using 299 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: their voices? Well, there there's a higher purpose that needs 300 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: to be pursued. And obviously part of that higher purpose, 301 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: when when we think of liberty and justice for all 302 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: we just think of what that means, that doesn't mean, 303 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: you know, if if we just think of uh biases 304 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: and we think of blind spots that we might have, 305 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: and so because we all have them, some people unbeknownally 306 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: are going two do things or say things that are 307 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: not let's just say that their beliefs, in their habits 308 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: and their attitudes are not going to be properly aligned 309 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: with their desired outcome, even if that outcome is is 310 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: for the good of all people. So the young people 311 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: have a chance to voice their opinion in different ways 312 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: and take action all the way down to voting something 313 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: as simple as voting, But they really have a chance 314 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: to create opportunities for others by the steps they take 315 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: and what they say, what they communicate in, who they 316 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: communicate with. And I think that's a critical part of 317 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: the process of making their voice heard. Was it that's 318 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: in the area of social justice, whether it's in the 319 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: area diversity, equity and inclusion. You have these little windows 320 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: and if they take advantage of those windows, it puts 321 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: them in a position to be able to make a 322 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: difference in the lives of a lot of different people. 323 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: So there's a question where can someone find your book 324 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: from Athletics to Engineering. So I just got an update 325 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: today on that. And the pre sale period is going 326 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: to start in January, and then we with with COVID 327 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: and everything. We've had a delay in that with the 328 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 1: COVID the pandemic which is affecting all of us UH 329 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: and then we are going to have the release pushed 330 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: back till April. But beginning beginning in January, if they 331 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: go go to Amazon, go online during the pre sale period, 332 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: they'll be able to get a copy, and I encourage 333 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: them to do so. Johnny, let's talk about how the 334 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: Moving Family is initiative tries to even the skill in 335 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: our society. You know this we noticed from from our world. 336 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: Often players, frequently families are disrupted because they have a 337 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: sudden move. So the Moving Families Initiative, it's at the court. 338 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: It's mission is to simplify that moving process through a 339 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: single platform at Moving Families Initiative dot com. But that's 340 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: to help simplified the process for the parents. But there's 341 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: a specific focus on helping the kids deal with the 342 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: physical and the emotional challenges of changing neighborhoods, school and friends. 343 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: And the Moving Families Foundation has two primary objectives directly 344 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: related to the kids. First of all, every kid ages 345 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: nineteen younger, male or female, when they move or relocate 346 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: are aimed by December thirty two is for each one 347 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: of them to participate in an extracurricular activity of their choice, 348 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: and each one who goes through the foundation will receive 349 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: a five dollar extracurricular activity scholarship to pay for their 350 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: participation fees. In addition, each high school student so if 351 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: if they move or relocate with their parents during their 352 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: high school careers, then they will receive a four thousand 353 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: dollar college scholarship to any trade school, junior college, community college. 354 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: Our full year school anywhere in the country. They will 355 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: receive a thousand dollars each of their freshman sophomorees in 356 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 1: your senior years when they get to college if they 357 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: go through the Foundation as well, because one of our 358 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: goals on that front is by December thirty first twenty 359 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: four is for each of those high school students to 360 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to go to a college of their choice. 361 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: And this will help them not only with the transition, 362 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: but help them develop the type of relationships that we believe. 363 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: These are high school kids that we believe that will 364 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: provide them uh the next opportunities in life for them. Now, 365 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: what gave you that target point failers in transition? When 366 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: I was with the Rams during my seventh year of 367 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: my NFL career, I had a vision of the coaching 368 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: process that we use as world class athletes being available 369 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: to all sectors of society. I shared that vision with 370 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: my life coach and he asked me a life changing question. 371 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: He asked me, how large did I want my plan 372 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: feel to be? That I wanted to be right, you know, 373 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: right here in Los Ange, the listen that I wanted 374 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: to be something larger, And I said, I didn't know. 375 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: He told me to think about it. Six months later, 376 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: I came back and said I got it. Like for 377 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: my plan failed to be the world and from that vision, 378 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: the company that I leave today, World Class Coaches, was 379 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: born as a personal professional and executive organization. And he 380 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: also suggested that I gained some business experience and some 381 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: other profession other than football, and I chose real estate 382 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: sales UH the game that business experience. For the last 383 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: three years of my NFL career, I did football, so 384 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: real estate and I was working on the coaching as well. 385 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: But the ironic thing is observing how many of my 386 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: teammates had to move or relocate with families. Initially planted 387 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: the seed, but when I realized that more than approximately 388 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: ten million kids ages nineteen and younger move a relocated 389 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: every year. That's hard. Moving is difficult on anyone, but 390 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: it's really challenging for kids. I knew that that was 391 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: a space that I wanted to get involved with and 392 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: and that ultimately led to the Moving Families Initiative and 393 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: the Moving Families Foundation. So your worldwide coaching, your World 394 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: Class Coaching is their website something so we can go 395 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: to yes um if you go to World Class Coaches 396 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: dot com www dot world Class Coaches dot Com. They'll 397 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: find the coaching aspect of it. And then if you 398 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: go to moving if you go to www Dot Moving 399 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: Families Initiative dot com, they'll find all of the information 400 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: on the Moving Families Initiative and the Moving Families Foundation there. 401 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: So as we close it out this podcast, I'm getting 402 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: I'll do a couple of rapid fires for you. Okay, 403 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: all right, we want to hear your sage advice and 404 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: your sage wisdom. Here we go. Best advice for players, 405 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: current players and legends for creative their best cells thirty 406 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: years after they end their playing experience. Okay, Um, football 407 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: is a is not an economic vehicle. It's a It's 408 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: a stepping stone. So when you retire from the game, 409 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: find something you're passionate about, something you believe in, something 410 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: you can wake up every day and pursue with the 411 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: same loving passion that you pursue football with, and have 412 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: that vehicle make a difference not only in your world, 413 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: but in the world the people that you come in 414 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: contact with and you serve, and UM life would be 415 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: in my opinion, uh life provide you with an opportunity 416 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: to make a difference consistent with the way you have 417 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: always made a difference in the game of football. Now 418 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: you said something, you said, football is not a economic 419 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: Football is not a football is not your economic vehicle. 420 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: So when you think of your economic vehicle, this is 421 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: what you use to meet your financial needs to from 422 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: a retirement. As great as the money is in football, 423 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: one day you wake up, you're going to retire. So 424 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: even if you have a hundred billion dollars in the bank, 425 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: you have the rest of your life. And so what 426 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: is it that that's going to get you out of bed, 427 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: that's going to cause you to have the same drive, 428 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: the same motivation that got you out of bed at 429 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: five o'clock in the morning every day to go to 430 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: practice and so usually and that's that these these are 431 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: things right here when you really study elite people who've 432 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: made a difference in the world, it is something greater 433 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: from an economic vehicle standpoint, It is something greater than 434 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: a game of football. Here's the final question, how do 435 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: we as a look support each other and even the 436 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: current players like Colin in our journeys. Great question network 437 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: it's it's it's about relationships. How can we is someone 438 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: who's Colin, who's a rookie. How can he and every 439 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: other young player who went all the way back to 440 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: kids who are in high school, even kids who are 441 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: in pop one of the day, what relationships are we 442 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: were going to be able to develop? Uh, to be 443 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: able to provide us with an opportunity, to be able 444 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: to put us in position to achieve our goals. And 445 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: a great example is my relationship with Dr Michael Webber. 446 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: Who would have thought that that relationship not just because 447 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: I have an opportunity to serve as his coach, but 448 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: him being a co author in this book and him 449 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: being instrumental This is a book that I couldn't have 450 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: written without him. But who would have thought that a 451 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: former NFL player who's an executive coach today wouldin up 452 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: partnering and collaborating with an esteem mechanical engineering professor. Those 453 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: are the type relationships that I would encourage um all 454 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: athletes in all sports, but particularly football players, regardless of 455 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: your age, to start to develop and seek the main 456 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: thing and seek to maintain through their careers and their lives. Johnny, 457 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: this has been great, Thanks for joining us, thanks for 458 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: listening in, and the best is yet to come. Thank you, 459 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: always a pleasure get to see you. By the way, 460 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: this has been the NFL Legends podcast. To provide feedback 461 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: or request a topic for discussion, email us at NFL 462 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: Legends at nfl dot com.