1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nola. They call 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 1: all mission controlled decades. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: you to know. This is part two of our episode 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: on the breach of the US capital in the course 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: of the attempted coup that occurred on January six one. 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: Here are the facts. As we mentioned in our previous episode, 13 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: we were We've been exploring the facts of the matter 14 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: as they occur at the time, from the rally to 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: the blow by blow of the invasion the evacuation. We 16 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: do hope that you have listened to the first part 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: of that episode. As we alluded to at the end 18 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: of part one of that episode, this part of the 19 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: episode is also being recorded. On January seven, we are 20 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: entering the realm of some speculation. We're trying our best 21 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: to stick with things that have been proven. However, we 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: do want to issue the disclaimer that some of the 23 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: things we discussed today maybe answered between the time we 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: record this episode and the time it publishes on Monday. 25 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: That's right, folks, this is a full episode coming to 26 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: you on Monday. We will air a strange news segment 27 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: later in the week, So hold type for that. As 28 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, hold tight in general, because things 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: are getting very murky, very quickly. Here's where it gets crazy. Chaos, gentlemen, 30 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: chaos and fatalities. We talked about. We raised a point 31 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: earlier about why we have made the decision not to 32 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: refer to this group of insurrectionists as protesters. I think 33 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: we can agree there is a hell of a difference 34 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: between smashing the window of a Starbucks and invading a 35 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: nation's capital while Congress is in session in hopes of 36 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: subverting democracy, or, as the supporters of these acts would argue, 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: attempting to save democracy. I guess either way you slice it, 38 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: fatalities occurred. Uh. Fatalities are always going to be a tragedy, 39 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: whether or not you agree with the person, whether or 40 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: not you agree with their actions that led to their demise. 41 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: At four pm on January six one, a woman was 42 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: shot as the mob stormed to the Capital, scaling walls 43 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: breaking windows to gain entry. A San Diego resident named 44 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: Ashley Babbitt was shot in the chest by law enforcement 45 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: as she attempted to enter the building through one of 46 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: the broken windows. She did not die immediately. She was 47 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: given medical attention, but did unfortunately pass away. We know 48 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: a little bit more about her as as the news emerged, 49 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: but for a long time she was simply acknowledged as 50 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: the unidentified first injury and then the first fatality. Later 51 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: reports the site three more fatalities from what was originally 52 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: described just vaguely as medical conditions. We do have the 53 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: answers on those now, I'll go ahead and give it 54 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: to you. The reports say that one of the fatalities 55 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: was a heart attack in reaction to a flashband grenade. 56 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: The second face tality was a fall thirty foot fall 57 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: off scaffolding from the Capitol building. And then the third 58 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: fatality um individual carrying a taser accidentally taste himself and 59 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: as a result, had a fatal heart attack. It's easy 60 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: to sneaker at that one a little bit, but like 61 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: you said, every death is a is a tragedy, and 62 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: that scaffolding would have been those um uh scaffolding on 63 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: either side and the lawn that were set up for 64 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: the inauguration coming up. I'm not mistaken. Yeah, we we 65 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: should mention also, I don't think we got to it 66 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: in the first part of this series, but there were 67 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: other things erected by the mobs, such as a gallows, 68 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: which is a very loaded symbol. But a gallows was 69 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: erected with people in the crowd chanting that they were 70 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: going to hang Nancy Pelosi's the house. Uh. Then I 71 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: believe a large cross was erected. I do not know 72 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: at this point whether it was set a flame. It's 73 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: also worth mentioning too that just a few days prior, 74 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: there were let's call them attacks, I guess, or at 75 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: the very least, acts of intimidation on both Nancy Pelosi 76 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: and Mitch McConnell's private residences. Um. The Nancy Pelosi was 77 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: particularly disturbing because it says I was, I say, uh, sack, 78 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: cancel rents, we want everything. And then there is a 79 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: severed pigs head with blood strone everywhere, and this is 80 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: right in front of her garage in San Francisco. And uh, 81 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell vandalism at his UM performative home in Kentucky. 82 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. I think that's performative. That 83 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: that vandalism I think was related to the the divisive 84 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: proposal to provide additional COVID relief for people who are 85 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: suffering through unemployment and obviously enormous medical bills, as happens 86 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: anytime someone has an illness in the United States. I 87 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: say per formative because and this is not just the 88 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: Ding McConnell. This is common with a lot of lawmakers. 89 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: You have to have a legal resident residency in the 90 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: state that you represent or purport to represent. But from 91 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: what I understand, at least I want to speak for everybody, 92 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: but what I understand at least, UM McConnell spends the 93 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: vast majority of his time at his DC residents because 94 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, like many, uh many members of Congress, he 95 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: there are times where he needs to spend most of 96 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: his time in d C. So odds are he was 97 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: not at the home or at the structure in Kentucky 98 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: when it was vandalized. And really quickly, also, just to 99 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: say what I was thinking when you said performative, in 100 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: addition to that, was it's it's not. It's not a 101 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: small house, but it's not a monolithic mansion either, So 102 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: it gives sort of the impression of like, I'm one 103 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: of you, I'm one of the people. Yeah. I think 104 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: that's a good point, Noel. And and you know, of course, 105 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: this is just this is just based on what we 106 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: see with a lot of politicians. If there's proof that 107 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: McConnell spends a majority of the time at the Kentucky Residents, 108 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: then of course, uh, that then that would be that's 109 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: the fact of the matter. But from what we understand 110 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: now that that is not the case. And that's not 111 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing, because when you are in the 112 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: halls of power like this, you do need to be 113 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: on the scene pretty frequently. We mentioned a little bit 114 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: of of reaction from the officials, from the politicians. You 115 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: may recall that President elect Joe Biden took to stage 116 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: first before uh current President Donald Trump and called for 117 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: called for civility, of course, called for into violence, said 118 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: this is not what American represents, and then specifically called 119 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: on President Trump to make a statement and for fifteen 120 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: January six, Donald Trump released a statement. It was taped, 121 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 1: not live. Uh. He repeated his belief that the election 122 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: was stolen and he is convinced, in his opinion, the 123 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: truth will out. And then he told the insurrectionist quote, 124 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: we love you, you are very special, following up with 125 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, I understand where you're coming from, essentially I'm 126 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: paraphrasing there, and then told them to go home. I 127 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: do want to point out my my initial reaction on 128 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: Twitter there, just because I suspected that that taped statement 129 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: might be taken down off of the platforms he was 130 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: using at the time, was to quote that specifically, and 131 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: I said, we love you you are very special. Donald 132 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: Trump to domestic terrorists January six one. That's my personal Twitter. 133 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: That does not representative of the views of our network necessarily. 134 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: That's appen Bowl and HSW on Twitter. It's a it's 135 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: a it's a great account to follow. Um. I also 136 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: would add this ties right back into his primary focus 137 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: on loyalty above all. Um, He's hanging on to this contingent. 138 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: This is kind of all he has left. This his 139 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: last ditch effort here, and he is appealing to that 140 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: sense of loyalty. I love you, I feel your pain. 141 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: I know you're hurt. We had an election that was 142 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone 143 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: knows it. Frontloading it with that and then ending it 144 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: with but go home, Like I'm into what you're doing. 145 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: I support what you're doing because what you're doing supports me. 146 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: But but stop or don't you know? I mean, that's 147 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: the vibe that I got. And that to your earlier 148 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: point about the use of language, the nuanced use of 149 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: language here, uh, there is an explicit statement in this 150 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: taped recording, and in and there in this statement, he 151 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: explicitly says, we don't want anybody hurt. What do you 152 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: think about the language of that statement? To me, it's 153 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: all a deflect the statement and this entire, this entire 154 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: thing where where earlier in the day he made statements 155 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: that we discussed in the last episode about how we 156 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: have to fight and fight really hard and we have 157 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: to we have to we have to essentially prevent this 158 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: from happening and do what everything we can to prevent 159 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: it from happening. And then to say, look, you guys, 160 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: you know, you guys tried, but let's let's all be 161 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: feaceful and go home. It's all a deflection off of himself, 162 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: is what it feels like to me. Um, And I 163 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: know that's I know some people will take issue with that, 164 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: but it feels it feels very much like that to me. Yeah. 165 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: And and around five pm, so about what forty five 166 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: minutes after this statement is disseminated, officers on the scene 167 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: do deploy flash band grenades and the tear gas who 168 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, in an attempt to clear remaining members of 169 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: the mob from the specifically the west side of the 170 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: capital before that six pm curfew hits. Now, I may 171 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: have I may have pickled some cucumbers, ruffled some feathers. 172 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: With the phrase domestic terrorism, it's not an attempt to 173 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: be hyperbolic, it's not an attempt to be alarmist. Here 174 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: is why I used that phrase quite deliberately, because at 175 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: least two i e d s improvised explosive devices were found. 176 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: The street name for these would be pipe bombs, and 177 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: they weren't. They weren't just targeting, you know, the the 178 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: ostensible political opponents of Donald Trump. There was one pipe 179 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: bomb at the local RNC office. There was one another 180 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: one at the local d n C office. Uh. There 181 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: was also there was also more stuff found, but this 182 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: was on the actual grounds of the capitol. Yeah, there 183 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: was also a long gun found and a cooler full 184 00:11:54,800 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: of molotov cocktails on the capitol grounds along on is 185 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: it's not quite a sniper rifle. It's something along those lines. 186 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: It's a long range weapon, right, there could be any rifle, 187 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: but really it wasn't. It wasn't defined in the moment there, 188 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: which which means that the specific make has yet to 189 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: be released or publicly identified, you know what I mean. 190 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised if there's an investigation into 191 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, chain of ownership for that, fingerprints, things of 192 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: that nature. But at this point, well, at this point 193 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: in the story, we are we are post breach, as 194 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: the news is taken to calling it post invasion, and 195 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: some others have called it. Uh. The insurrectionist mob has 196 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: occupied the capital for a number of hours of five hours. 197 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: I believe that's that's something about, right guys. Yep, yeah, okay, 198 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: so about five hours they're rooming freely through the offices 199 00:12:54,720 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: of Congress. And here again we can see numerous photographs. Um, 200 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: the phrase we used often in the in the South 201 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: is telling on themselves. We can see, uh, photos from 202 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: the insurrectionists as they shout from the floor of the 203 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: House of the Senate, you know, saying things like, um, 204 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump won this election. Um I can see one 205 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: guy's got his feet propped up. I guess is the 206 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:27,119 Speaker 1: word in the office of Nancy Pelosi. Uh. There they are. Earlier, 207 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: as we mentioned, they were taking selfies with some members 208 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: of law enforcement. They were also posting videos, social streams, 209 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: photographs on on social media left and right. Uh. Many 210 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: of these people were not attempting to disguise themselves, neither 211 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: their their faces, nor their voices, nor mannerisms. And let's 212 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: not forget that there are also none of them are 213 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: wearing masks during a global pandemic. Uh. You know, I 214 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: just wanted to point that out. Not not wearing masks 215 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: to shield their identity or for them maybe more practical 216 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: reason of, you know, to to protect themselves and others 217 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: from COVID. Another popular rallying cry was this is our house. 218 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: This is our house, because the capital is referred to 219 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: as the People's house, and that's a reference to that, 220 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: and they're like, we're taking it back. This is our house. 221 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: And several several individuals in this group are self identifying, 222 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: self describing as revolutionaries not protesters. Again, there's a reason 223 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: there are There are reasons that we were being very 224 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: specific with the terms here. You can absolutely protests, you 225 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: can absolutely disagree. As a matter of fact, I would 226 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: say it is American to do so. We have we 227 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: have hundreds of years of precedence why this kind of 228 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: why dissent in some way is important and crucial to 229 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: the health of the nation. But this is not the 230 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: same thing. You can see images of this mob roaming 231 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: door to door shouting, quote, where the are they? Who 232 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: do you think they're talking about? You know what I mean? 233 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they're talking about members of Congress. And 234 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: then as more photos come out, people start delving in, 235 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: we see particular things that make this look less and 236 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: less like some attempt at a peaceful occupation. There is 237 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: an individual who appears to be armed carrying zip ties. 238 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: This is strong, circumstantial evidence that at least some factions 239 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: of of these groups intended to either physically harm or 240 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: physically take possession of members of Congress or their associated 241 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: staff members. I don't know, do you guys think I'm 242 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: reading tea leaves there? And that's what I think the 243 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: zip ties afore I think I think you can say 244 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: at least one individual was was planning on doing something 245 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: like that or have that crazy idea. Another thing, I 246 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: saw quite a lot of baseball bats and just kind 247 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: of blood Jenny type weapons. You know, I don't like, 248 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, mob one oh one, like surprised there weren't pitchforks. 249 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: Just I think we just I agree with everything you 250 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: guys are saying. I think we just have to keep 251 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: in mind that there there's a percentage of people who 252 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,479 Speaker 1: were there who I think you could describe as insurrectionist. 253 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: There's also a group of people there. I don't know 254 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: how many, there's no way for for us to know, 255 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: but a group of people there that were just caught 256 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: up in that mob mentality after going to that rally 257 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: and and getting all riled up and and and having 258 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: some some similar feelings that uh that are of connection 259 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: to either the president or you know, whatever whatever ideologically 260 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: is being fought for, that are just they happen to 261 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: be there, and they happen to continue and now they've 262 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: found themselves inside the capital. I'm just I think we 263 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: just have to say that. Yeah, I hope I did 264 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: a good job establishing that in Part one, as well. 265 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: But you're right, we do have to we do have 266 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: to say that. And the one thing I would note, 267 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: the one reason I'm saying factions or individuals, Matt, rather 268 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: than simply one person was zip tized, is because if 269 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: you look at the forums and the time leading up 270 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: to this again premeditated event, we see people writing, here's 271 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: our plan, here's what we're gonna do. Are they just 272 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: being Internet tough guys? Were they all? Were? All those 273 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: messages from that one guy? I don't know that one 274 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: only one person is shown with zip tized, though it's 275 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: a very fair point, agreed, And I can only imagine 276 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: the moment of realization some of those lesser, uh problematic 277 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: elements felt when they realized how and over their heads 278 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: they were and how they went. They took it too far, 279 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: and now they're getting swept up in something they maybe 280 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: weren't fully prepared to be a part of. That's true. 281 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean think about this too. If you look through 282 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: the photographs, you see people who do not appear as 283 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: if they came to the capital with the express aim 284 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: of doing violence to anyone. You see quite elderly people. 285 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: I think, did you guys see those photographs as well. Yeah, 286 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: and you can go on live This is one of 287 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: the best times to use the service live leak. If 288 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: you go on live leak, you can watch videos. There's 289 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: one of a Capitol Police officer attempting to prevent a 290 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: bunch of people from coming up some steps and then 291 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: getting into another vestibule area and he's got his baton 292 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: out and you know, saying get back, get back, get back, 293 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: and attempting to do his best to prevent people from 294 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: coming up. But he's one person and there's a large, 295 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: massive people moving towards him, so he, you know, get 296 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: retreats back up to the stairs where there's a larger 297 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: number of officers, Capitol Police officers inside the building. And 298 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: at that point, once once the group moves into this 299 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: area where the police officers are, and the police officers 300 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: move in to meet the group, they the officers are 301 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: fully outnumbered. But the the individual human beings that are there, uh, 302 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: that are not supposed to be there, are standing their 303 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: ground and just standing there and refusing to leave. But 304 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: they're not being violent, and there they don't appear to be. 305 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: You know, what I heard in the audio was there's 306 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: no violent things being discussed. It was just they decided 307 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: they were going to place themselves in that capitol building. Um, 308 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: and then the police officers at that point cannot respond 309 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: with force because they are vastly outnumbered in an interior position. 310 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: So like strategically that because I I just I guess 311 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like, there's so much going on 312 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: and there's so much chaos, which is the word we 313 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: use at the very top of this episode that you know, 314 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: we're what we're doing is giving you, everybody listening, all 315 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: the varying pieces of the you know, the type the 316 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: groups that may be involved, and it's so varying. Um, 317 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: We're just going to give you everything that we have seen. Yeah. Yeah, 318 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: And to be clear, I'm I'm an absolute agreement on that. 319 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: I don't wanna seem as though I am somehow not 320 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: what I'm What one thing I think you guys would 321 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: find of interest is that there was a stated calculus 322 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: to this, because in the world of pr they would 323 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: call something's optics. Right. Uh, there's there's some things that 324 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: look like really bad optics where you see, um, you 325 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: see the police, you know, clearly allowing people entry into 326 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: let's call it an outer perimeter of the capital. So 327 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: later statements said that the appreciate the use of the 328 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: word strategic, the strategic plan there or the strategy there. 329 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: I should say is uh, is that given that these 330 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: forces are vastly outnumbered, they wanted to create a smaller 331 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: perimeter that they could defend feasibly, you know what I mean, 332 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: Because otherwise, if there's just a line that's two or 333 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: three officers deep, then it could ease get overrun and 334 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: it could easily get escalated into a very violent situation. 335 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: So that that is, that is the stated logic. And 336 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: I love that you're bringing up the fact that there 337 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: that not all of the officers appeared to be on 338 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: the same page. That's very very important, you know what 339 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: I mean. It's not like all of the law enforcement 340 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: in d C said hey, let's just let's leave this open, 341 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: let's tear down these barricades and stuff. You can see 342 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: documented on live leak on other other platforms. You can 343 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: see people who are clearly just trying their best to 344 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: maintain some sort of order and to de escalate things 345 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: even though they are woefully, woefully outnumbered. You can also 346 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: see I said several times here that this is premeditated. 347 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: Um You can also see details in these images that 348 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: I think strongly indicate there was premeditation again in factions 349 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: of this force. One of the things it would be 350 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: the T shirts. You could see these T shirts bearing 351 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: slogans with things like Auschwitz Camp, which is a reference 352 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: to genocide on World War Two and clearly anti Semitic 353 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: in nature. You can also see T shirts saying things 354 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: like Civil War January six one. I'm not I don't 355 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: have a doctorate in T shirts, but I'm pretty sure 356 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,479 Speaker 1: those were printed in advance. What do you think? It 357 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: feels like that's pretty plausible. What's the Auschwitz Camp referencing? 358 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: I understand referencing like historically, but in this situation, what's 359 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: it referencing? That's a good question. No, I think I think, 360 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: without having read an interview with the person wearing that 361 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: T shirt, I'm pretty sure that it was it was 362 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: meant to be an anti Semitic message or possibly a 363 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: Q and on you know, like big picture like Big 364 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: Brother conspiracy, see kind of reference as if like this administration, uh, 365 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: this new administration coming in represents you know, Democrats eating 366 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: babies and you know, rounding people up into camps or something. 367 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: I mean maybe I'm just throwing that out there. Yeah, 368 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: maybe it's quite It's possible that there is perhaps some 369 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: reference we we don't get, but I would argue it's 370 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: in that kind of phrasing is inseparable from anti semitism 371 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: a million And you could see other reports of of 372 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 1: other T shirts, other paraphernalia, of course, and the building 373 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: itself was the interior I believe was secured in the 374 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: early evening, but but crowds remained outside into the night 375 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: and there was this thing happening. I believe it was 376 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: episode or first part of this episode. We talked about um, 377 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: the use of language, both the media and politics. And 378 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: I don't let me know if you guys noticed this, 379 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: Matt Noel, I knew we were all watching this. Did 380 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: you notice that a lot of the anchors seem to 381 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: be waxing a little bit poetic When they were talking 382 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: about the curfew, they were like, the light is the 383 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: curfews at six pm? The sun is already setting on 384 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: Washington and the country, or like the light is falling 385 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: on the Capitol, the friscalating dusk light. Every everything has 386 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: been feeling like a scripted reality show lately, and it's 387 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 1: just all part of it. Guys. Mm, that's very good foreshadowing, right, 388 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: or the simulation perhaps. Uh. And at this point, let's 389 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: let's pause for just a moment. We'll be back after 390 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor to look at some of the 391 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: immediate aftermath of the events in Washington, d C. All right, 392 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 1: and we are back. So and probably what felt like 393 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: the beginning of the uh, the restoring of order. We 394 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: did see a larger police force move in and clear 395 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: the perimeter, clear the steps by the time it was 396 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: night that there's a lot of concern that this wouldn't 397 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: happen by nighttime and then all bets are off, you know, 398 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: because it's it's hard to it's a lot harder to 399 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: round people up under cover of darkness. Uh. It did 400 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: seem that that was effectively done. A lot of those 401 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: tactics of you know, creating a perimeter of human bodies 402 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: with shields and pushing people back, pushing people back, that 403 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: was done and the facility was secured insomuch as they 404 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: felt comfortable reconvening Congress, who began, uh, the continuation of 405 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: the work they had started earlier in the night. And 406 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: by this point all of these folks had been you know, 407 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: in hiding in various rooms. I heard a lot of 408 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: them talking on a lot of news shows calling in. 409 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: Everyone asked of them, are you okay? We don't want 410 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: to give away your location, but are you okay? Uh? 411 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: And I heard one particular I wish were the gentleman's name, 412 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: but it was a Republican and he was talking about 413 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: how he was sort of hold up with a lot 414 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: of folks from both sides of the aisle literally kind 415 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: of hiding together, and that conversations were happening, and the 416 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: texts were being exchanged, and there were a lot of 417 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: like people kind of changing their perspective on this protest 418 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: that they were about to do or this ceremonial um, 419 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: you know, objection to the election results. So that does 420 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: begin the process that was interrupted so uh suddenly and 421 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: shockingly earlier in the day. Yeah, yeah, for the for 422 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: the first time and possibly a while a lot of 423 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: people were watching c SPAN just tiny point, but that 424 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: that's something that hit me. Uh. Congress does reconvene and 425 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: they state they're going to be working into the night 426 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: to certify the election. Uh. Some prominent members of Congress 427 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: from the House to the Senate make opening statements. You 428 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean. You'll see Mitch McCaw a making statements, 429 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, Schumer. UH. The list goes on and they 430 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: begin the process or they you know, they're back into 431 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: the process during this, during this statement and during this 432 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: this time that you just mentioned. No, you're right, multiple people, 433 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: multiple members of the House, and about half of those 434 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: Senate members who had planned to object withdraw their intent 435 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 1: to object. In fact, Senator Kelly Loffler from Georgia, this 436 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: was a senator who was appointed and recently lost the 437 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: runoff election. UH. Senator Kelly Loffler takes takes the floor 438 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: and says, given these events, I will no longer support 439 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: opposition to this electoral college process. So she's essentially saying, 440 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: at this point, you know, when it comes time to 441 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: certify stuff for Georgia, she's not going to be She's 442 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: not going to raise a flag and attempt to trigger, 443 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, a debate on the legitimacy of those conclusions. 444 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: And so things wind on and on and on and on. 445 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: Congress works until UH, or they do this process until 446 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: three thirty nine am I think it was Eastern time, 447 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: when the current Vice President Pence finalizes the Electoral College 448 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: vote tally and declares that the Biden Harris ticket that 449 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: they are the winners of the election by UM by 450 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: a vote of three hundred and six to two hundred 451 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: and thirty two. Before this happens, before we hit three 452 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: forty in the morning, another thing happens. Current President Donald 453 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: Trump is banned from Twitter or he's I should say, 454 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: he's suspended right for very specific amount of time, for 455 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: twelve hours, and for the first time, I believe is 456 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: at actually had wheets removed. I believe that's correct. Instead 457 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: Now previously some had been marked as unconfirmed or even misleading. 458 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: Fact check kind of little adendies that Twitter was doing 459 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: it as a way of confronting the allegations that they 460 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: were contributing to this spread of misinformation. Right right, just 461 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: so and so um. One thing that was interesting to this, 462 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: and I think would be interesting to our fellow conspiracy 463 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: realists in the crowd here, is that Edwards Snowden came 464 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: out and this is actually on January seven, he said, 465 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: Facebook officially silences the President of the United States. For 466 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: better or worse. This will be remembered as a turning 467 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: point in the battle for control over digital speech, and 468 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people gave him, gave him some gave 469 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: him some flak about that, you know what I mean, 470 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: Not everybody agreed. And this all goes back to that 471 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: power of language and that power of like, what is 472 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: free speech? When does it cross the line from just 473 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: expressing one's views to incite others to act? And and 474 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, and does the weight of the president's words 475 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: make a difference. And I think the answer is yes 476 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: to that. But I'm interested in your thoughts, Matt on 477 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: the language here and if this is censorship or if 478 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: this is just doing the right thing. Well, I don't 479 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: have the answer for you if it was the right thing, 480 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: But I do know that the president's responses to the 481 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: actions that were taking place, uh, did not calm things down. 482 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: And they it doesn't seem at least like they were 483 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: meant to calm things down. It seems like they were 484 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: meant to, I don't know, to to get whatever aid 485 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: or advisor was telling him to hey, calm this thing down. 486 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: It was like to appease that person, is what it 487 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: felt like to me. Doesn't mean that that's necessarily true. Um. 488 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: And then that kind of response continued, and it was 489 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: the response to his responses that got him uh indefinitely 490 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: and temporarily banned from using the services. The language that 491 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: was used in the responses did not seem to be calming. 492 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: It seemed to continue to fullment the anger that was 493 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: that was being riled up. There. Yeah, I think that's 494 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: a really good point because um to students point there. 495 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: What I'm understanding that as is a concern about setting 496 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: a precedent, because we have to remember, even though these 497 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: social media platforms and conglomerants, even though they are in 498 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: bed with intelligence agencies to one degree or another, they 499 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: are private entities, which means they retain the right to 500 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: whatever reason they wish uh to refuse service to anyone anywhere, 501 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: for any reason. Uh. This this becomes um concerning when 502 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: it HiT's when it like when it runs up against 503 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: the notion of governmental agencies. Right, because what what happens, 504 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: like if we uh snowdon said you know, think past 505 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: the next thirteen or so days, right well, post January, 506 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: what happens if now the president is um, if Twitter 507 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: doesn't like you for any reason, you're you're shut down. 508 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: If if you are if like if Twitter suddenly gets 509 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: into tangle with the FBI because of some kind of 510 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm making stuff up here, some kind of Twitter crime, 511 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: and the FBI, you know, is sill on Twitter, then 512 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: Twitter can just cut them off. I think it's worth 513 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: saying too. It's not against the law to lie, right, 514 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: It's not against the law to spread misinformation. It's again 515 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: about the intent or about the results. And that's why 516 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: it's so tricky, because it's like, does he know he's lying? Well, 517 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: do you know what is against the law though, inciting 518 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: a riot? Yes? And and that's essentially what was happening, 519 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: whether the President understood it or not. Um. And Twitter 520 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: understood it and Facebook understand it. Um. But I totally 521 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: see what Edward Snowden is saying. He's saying that from 522 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: the perspective of a whistleblower. Imagine if someone who knows 523 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: the truth about some terrible thing or some group or 524 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: you know whatever, and is trying to get that information 525 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: out however they can and they are silenced. That that 526 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: is I'm sure from where it is. Yeah, that statement 527 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: is coming from. Yeah, Yeah, I've heard it. I've heard 528 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: it freezed as Congress abdicating power two tech companies, which 529 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: is which is an interesting way to look at it. Uh. 530 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: We do want to say though. The after after President 531 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: Trump was suspended from Twitter, there was another statement released, 532 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: and this statement double down on the claim that the 533 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: election was rigged, specifically stolen from him, and then it 534 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: also had the following a comfort asution that there will 535 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: be quote an orderly transition on January twenty. We alluded 536 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: to this in part one. This is the closest at 537 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: the time of this record. This is the closest the 538 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: current president has come to uh conceding the election. And 539 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: also important to note it is not the same thing 540 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: as actually conceding. It's saying I didn't lose, this is rigged, 541 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: but there will be a peaceful transition on January. What 542 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: did you guys make of that? That? Yeah, I mean, 543 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: it's the best we're gonna get. This is a this 544 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: is a man who is I think pathologically uh just 545 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: predisposed to to not accepting defeat. I mean, if you 546 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: if you read his uh the you know, biographies about 547 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: him and his relationship with his father, like he was 548 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: basically born and bred uh and had this notion hammered 549 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: into his head the worst thing in the world to 550 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: be as a loser, uh and He's acted that way 551 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: for his entire life and for his entire presidency. In 552 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: the end, the dangerous thing for me is that it's 553 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: the same response. It's I am conceding to the notion 554 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: of the people who need me to say these things. 555 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: But also I didn't lose and this right, and that 556 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: he's speaking to people who the people you know, who 557 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: care about him and his message and are willing to 558 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: take action for him on his behalf further action potentially 559 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: excellent point. Let me read the entirety of the statement 560 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: for anybody who hasn't heard it yet. Is this, even 561 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, 562 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: and the facts bear me out, nevertheless, there will be 563 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: an orderly transition on January. I have always said we 564 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,280 Speaker 1: would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes 565 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest 566 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: first term in presidential history, it's only the beginning of 567 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: our fight to make America great again. In the beginning 568 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: of our fight, man, right, So does that sound like, 569 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: Matt you said something that really stuck out to me 570 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: when you were like, it's not the same thing. I 571 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: remember that, like the in the Great Gallery of of 572 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: non apologies, it's like, what, what's the what's the like, Oh, 573 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you feel like you deserve an apology. Yeah, exactly, 574 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you feel I'm sorry you feel that way 575 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,439 Speaker 1: I hurt you or I'm sorry. If it came off 576 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: as though I were doing this, that's a little better, 577 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: but it's still not great. It's not I mean, yeah, 578 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: So that's why I say it's not actually the same 579 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: thing as a concession. It's just saying there will be 580 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: an orderly transition. Yeah. But the scary thing is that 581 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter now if he is committing to an 582 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: orderly transition, if all of his team members are committing 583 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: to that transition, if it even begins that way and 584 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: starts going down that way. He has spoken then in 585 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: that same statement to those people that are willing to 586 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: take action to try and stop it from happening or 587 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: to try and save him or protect it. Uh. It really, 588 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: it's really disheartening and it and it it's scary to 589 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: be honest, because it doesn't matter if he knows that's 590 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: what he's done or not that's what he's done now 591 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: within the hour or we've been recording this, there there was. 592 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: I was just I was actually googling what c SPAN 593 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 1: stands for, because I've never really known um. But while 594 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: I was googling that, I found within the last hour 595 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: there was a statement from Kaylee mcinnaney, uh not from 596 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: Trump himself. She came out, we took no questions and 597 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: basically parroted back the condemnation type talk that a lot 598 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: of lawmakers have been coming out with. This is an 599 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: American this is abhorrent. We condemned this, and then referenced 600 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: the burning of a church, remember that church that was 601 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: like the one, like like an example of arson in 602 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: the summer that they keep pointing to. And I'm not 603 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,479 Speaker 1: saying that wasn't and that wasn't a non issue, because 604 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: obviously was. But I feel like it was a little 605 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: bit overblown the way they described it, as though the 606 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: church was in flames. It was like a small, easily 607 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: contained fire, like in the basement or something like that, 608 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. But don't let me speak out 609 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: of turn there, but reference that and said a year 610 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: ago or whatever ago, I stood in this podium and 611 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: condemned that and said that was in America, and I 612 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 1: do the same thing today. But then God talk about 613 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: us as when she walks away, just this the general 614 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: sound of like dissatisfaction. Where's the president is? The is 615 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: the call that kept coming like why why are you here? Um? 616 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 1: Which I think is a fair question. Insider reports are troubling. 617 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: You know, we're at the stage in the news cycle 618 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: as we record this, when we hear things that inevitably 619 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: come from like an anonymous source close to events, or 620 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: an anonymous source close to the White House, an anonymous 621 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: source positioned with the Secret Service, right. And that's because 622 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: these people are many of these people are in to 623 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: rock at a hard place, very high stakes. UH. That's 624 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: part of the reason why we're seeing so many resignations 625 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: from the cabinet. UH. As of now, as we've been 626 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 1: recording this, they have not actually been that many arrest 627 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: considering how many people were involved and how many people 628 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: are easily identified. The FBI has put out request for 629 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: assistance identifying people, and UH Internet users have been more 630 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,919 Speaker 1: than happy right to attempt to assist with that. Many 631 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: of them, however, not trained investigators not to mention so 632 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: many of these UH frankly entitled folks kind of knocking 633 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: on themselves thinking they were justified. Uh, And now like 634 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: there was one guy from Ohio, um whose name escapes 635 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: me at the moment, but he you know, posted a 636 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: selfie video going in facefully revealed, using a personal account 637 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: with his information and his name, and now he's being docks, 638 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: you know, not docks, but like you know, I mean, 639 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: just look up his LinkedIn will know who he is. 640 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: He's probably gonna lose his job. There was a newly 641 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: elected lawmaker from gosh, i want to say, West Virginia 642 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: who also posted a selfie video going in with the 643 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: big surge, you know, and say said his name out loud. 644 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: Now he's being called to resign. Um. So people are 645 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,760 Speaker 1: knocking on themselves on this because there was a certain 646 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: sense of entitlement that was staggering to me, like of 647 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: we're we're justified. We can hold up our phones. This 648 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: is a big moment for us as opposed to like 649 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: we know we're doing something bad. I don't think a 650 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: lot of these folks knew they were doing something bad. 651 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 1: And the op stuck is just sloppy. I mean, there's 652 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: one guy who was wearing his work badge clearly displayed 653 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: don't act surprised when you lose your job for that. Again, 654 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: we're recording this uh two days before he comes out, 655 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: so some of that we just want to put up 656 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: a signpost. Some of the stuff we're talking about now, 657 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: some of the questions we will pose may well be 658 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: answered by the time this episode comes out, But as 659 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: you can tell, hopefully, we're doing our best to be 660 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: up to the minute with the information that we have. 661 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: Right now, members of Congress have drawn up articles of 662 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: impeachment just for if. There's the quick question about this 663 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: that comes up sometimes is is there a limit on impeachments? Right? 664 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: Is an impeachment like a one time thing? The answer 665 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: is no. Technically people can be impeached multiple times. Um, 666 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: is it unusual for someone to draw up articles of 667 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: impeachment for someone who is two weeks away from leaving 668 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,720 Speaker 1: their posts. I would say yes, I would say that's unusual. 669 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: But these are extraordinary circumstances. The big speculative one is 670 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: the Amendment, which we covered in a previous episode well, 671 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: and we talked about the power that Mike Pence did 672 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: not have to just overturn election results on equivocally, this 673 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: is a place where the vice president does have a 674 00:41:53,719 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: pretty significant role in invoking this. This just in we've 675 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: got we've got up to the second update from our 676 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 1: good old Mission Control. Here. It appears that Vice President 677 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: Pence has uh publicly stated that he does not plan 678 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: to invoke the twenty Amendment. When we're talking about the 679 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,879 Speaker 1: twenty Amendment, by the way, we're talking specifically about what's 680 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: known as Section four. Section four is unique and the 681 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: twenty five Amendment because it allows for the non consensual 682 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: removal of a standing precedent. Section four has never been 683 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: used in the history of the United States, and it 684 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: has to do with the acknowledgement of their inability to 685 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: discharge their civic duty. And I believe the VP invokes 686 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 1: it and then it has to be voted on, right, Yeah, 687 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: so what it's since we've never seen it in use before. 688 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,839 Speaker 1: In practice, we don't really have a precedent or an 689 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: understanding for how it would work in this county tree. 690 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: Even the language of UM the group that has to 691 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: support this that's to kind of vote for it and 692 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: take it to Congress, even that's a little bit fuzzy. 693 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,399 Speaker 1: It does have to be the Vice president, it can 694 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: be the majority of the cabinet as well, or it 695 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: can be like a group approved by law by the Congress. 696 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how far the latitude goes there, but 697 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: we know that, uh, regardless of what other members are 698 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: involved or what groups that are from, it does count 699 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: on the VP. Hinges on the VP's decision to invoke, 700 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 1: and according to that latest report, the VP has no 701 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 1: plans to invoke. Even though the President may not be 702 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: leaving the office via the vice president and the amendment, 703 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: there are several positions individuals within the administration who have 704 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: already decided to leave, to resign um. You know, we're 705 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: recording this, like we said on Thursday, the seventh of January, 706 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: so over the weekend there might be more resignations or 707 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: other things like that that will happen, but as of 708 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: right now, there's just a few. And you know, you 709 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: have to think, even though the New York Times or 710 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: someone from the New York Times is reporting that they 711 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: amendment won't be invoked by the VP, it doesn't mean 712 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,360 Speaker 1: that something might change. At least right now, it's not happening, 713 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: and it has to We just have to imagine that 714 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,359 Speaker 1: some of the people leaving it's because they disagree with 715 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: what's going on. They can't handle that. They also some 716 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: of them may not want to be a part of 717 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: whatever process would need to take place to impeach the 718 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 1: sitting president. Yeah, that's a that's an excellent I think 719 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: that's an excellent observation. The first one that we know 720 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,720 Speaker 1: about is a Laying Chow, who resigned in the wake 721 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: of the riot or the insurrection, was serving as Secretary 722 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: of Transportation. We shall also mentioned, by the way that 723 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: Chow is the spouse of Mitch McConnell himself, and Mitch 724 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: McConnell in that state, when Congress reconvened, took a strident 725 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: stance against uh, the current President, Donald Trump, who was 726 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,800 Speaker 1: also you know, they're of the same political party ostensibly, 727 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: though those parties may well split. We may be looking 728 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: at the German nation the genesis of something different in 729 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: the near future. UH. At this point, we need to 730 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 1: make space to talk about some of the conspiracy theories 731 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: speculation that have proliferated like wildfire in the wake of 732 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: these events. And we'll do that afterward from our sponsor 733 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: and we're back. One of the conspiracy theories that proliferated 734 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: and thrived immediately after this, not even immediate laughter during 735 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: the events on January six was the idea that these 736 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: people overrunning the Capitol were not actually Trump supporters, that 737 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 1: they were not actually people who had attended the rally, 738 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: or they were not UM, they were not supporters of 739 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: the current president who had planned to overrun the capital, 740 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: that they were instead agent provocateurs of a sort. That 741 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: they were we'll say that they were Antifa, and that 742 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: they had planned and disguised themselves UH as part of 743 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:37,280 Speaker 1: an orchestrated attempt to discredit the claims of the Trump 744 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,760 Speaker 1: administration that the election was fraudulent. UH. In each alleged 745 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: case that we've seen so far, Again, some new information 746 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: might emerge. In each alleged case that we've seen so far, 747 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: the claims have been disproven, Like there have been people 748 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 1: who are identified as being both at one of the 749 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,799 Speaker 1: protests over and then being at the rally or the 750 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: capital in January six. But in each of those each 751 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 1: of those cases where those people have been identified, it 752 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: turns out that they are in fact UH supporters of 753 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: the administration, or they are affiliated with one of those 754 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: associated groups like we named earlier Proud Boys Q and 755 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,359 Speaker 1: on both keepers three per centers and so on. This 756 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: is a really familiar argument though, right, didn't we see 757 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,360 Speaker 1: the same kind of thing thrown around with the BLM 758 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: protests and you know, all the around George Floyd that 759 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: there were agent provocateur We did a whole episode on 760 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: agent provocateurs that was largely around that event. Yeah, I 761 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,839 Speaker 1: think I think we have to just at least say 762 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,359 Speaker 1: that maybe that was a part of it, but we 763 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 1: currently can't prove it. Yeah, Yeah, that's what we've got 764 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 1: to be careful to say. Like again, in the claims 765 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: that we have seen, the ones that point to a 766 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: specific person, those have been those have been disproven unless 767 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: that person is like a sleeper agent for years and 768 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:11,320 Speaker 1: years level of antifa or anti fascism. And this also 769 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: leads into the idea of um, the entire thing being orchestrated, right, 770 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: because there are many people who would who would argue 771 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: that the Establishment Democratic Party the Establishment Republican Party are 772 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: fingers on a hand. And I do have to say 773 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: in in certain instances, there is clear collusion between those 774 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,839 Speaker 1: parties and they have been much less antagonistic toward one 775 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 1: another in back rooms than they have been in the 776 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:48,359 Speaker 1: public sphere at Yeah. Yeah, but in this case, in 777 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:53,919 Speaker 1: this case, we just haven't seen proof yet. If there 778 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 1: is proof, of course we would want to see it. 779 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,480 Speaker 1: There's another there's another thing. The notes for this show 780 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 1: are so crazy because it says, just like, we have 781 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 1: three different sections called the aftermath. Did you notice after 782 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: after aftermath, and the aftermath? Right? Uh, well, let's talk 783 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: about let's talk about a larger horizon. You know, in 784 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: these situations it is so difficult to look beyond the 785 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 1: next moment, the next hour, the next announcement. We we 786 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: have this um I would say, to a degree necessary 787 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: myopia that comes, that comes into play. But if we 788 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,880 Speaker 1: look beyond the horizon, similar to what Snowdon was was 789 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:44,360 Speaker 1: referring to, this may well be just the beginning of 790 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 1: other similar events. Oh we didn't even did we mention this? 791 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,759 Speaker 1: I think we did. Yeah, we did mention this. Multiple 792 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,799 Speaker 1: other states capitals and multiple other states capitals within a 793 00:49:54,320 --> 00:50:02,239 Speaker 1: experienced similar events, including Georgia. So air Bowser of DC 794 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,759 Speaker 1: declared a public emergency in addition to that curfew, and 795 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: that extends up to January twenty, the date of the inauguration. 796 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,360 Speaker 1: And I believe the inauguration itself is going to be 797 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: virtual due to COVID. Is that correct? I mean, I 798 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,040 Speaker 1: imagine that it'll be ceremonial and it will take place 799 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,879 Speaker 1: on the grounds as it normally would, but it won't 800 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,399 Speaker 1: be They'll keep up pasure as hell if they weren't before, 801 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: they're going to now keep a tight perimeter on that 802 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: capital building. Yeah, it's true, and we can only imagine 803 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 1: that even as a virtual event, security will be much 804 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: higher than it was in the capital. M You know, 805 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,920 Speaker 1: regardless of how you voted in the US or how 806 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,799 Speaker 1: you feel about protests, which long time listeners, you know, 807 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: we strongly support the right at times the responsibility to protest. Uh, 808 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 1: there's no denying that this this was to a degree planned. 809 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,319 Speaker 1: And while to earlier points not all members of this 810 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 1: group may or these groups may have showed up plan 811 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 1: to do this to overrun the capital, many did. This 812 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 1: was planned not just in d C, but in multiple 813 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,319 Speaker 1: other places. What were the motivations of this group? In 814 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 1: many cases, those involved do seem to genuinely believe the 815 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 1: outcome of the presidential election is incorrect, but many holding 816 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,040 Speaker 1: there's something interesting, and I know we've all seen it. 817 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 1: A lot of the elected officials who held this position 818 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: before January six, whether or not they recanted their opposition. 819 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,680 Speaker 1: They were objecting to the same ballots that got them elected. 820 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,719 Speaker 1: So they would say this thing is rigged. I mean, 821 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 1: not my part, not my part, just the part I 822 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,160 Speaker 1: don't agree with. It's it's just the kind of it's 823 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: the kind of stuff, the sort of double speak that 824 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,439 Speaker 1: really does make your head spend where it's like, yeah, 825 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 1: I agree with this is until the moment that it 826 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,960 Speaker 1: goes against me. And and all of these notions like that. 827 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 1: You know, if you hear that call with Rathensburger, Trump's 828 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,400 Speaker 1: talking about these voting machines and like, you know, really 829 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: drilling down into like, oh, we're the dominion people coming 830 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,359 Speaker 1: in and removing parts from the machines and installing new parts, 831 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: and they're just like no. He's like are you sure, 832 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,920 Speaker 1: and they're like yes, So, I mean, it is so 833 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,880 Speaker 1: much of this stuff. There was a whole thing where 834 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: there was a video of um, something happened where like 835 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 1: some things were under a table or a skirt around 836 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,240 Speaker 1: like a table and and they're referred to as being suitcases. 837 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: And he's referring to like the shredding of ballots and 838 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 1: all this stuff, all things that the Rathlisberger and the 839 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, election officials here in Georgia were able to 840 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,880 Speaker 1: disprove very cleanly. Um, And yet it just keeps coming up. 841 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,720 Speaker 1: You just keep repeating it and repeating it and and repeating, 842 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 1: and people just eventually kind of just believe the repetition 843 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,240 Speaker 1: rather than the because because because the allegations are sexier 844 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: than the disproving of the allegations in some degree, especially 845 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 1: it's almost yeah, but especially if it supports your thing, 846 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, your belief. And I don't think it's a 847 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 1: matter of people being stupid. I just think belief is 848 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,880 Speaker 1: a powerful thing. And Trump is really good at inspiring loyalty. 849 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,000 Speaker 1: And when you repeat things over and over and over again, 850 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: people react. And it's not about intellect, and it's some 851 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 1: very smart people that have fallen down that rabbit hole 852 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,800 Speaker 1: for other things. Yeah, speaking of this date, January six, 853 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,959 Speaker 1: is not something that just popped up out of nowhere. 854 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: We talked about it earlier in the first episode a 855 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 1: little bit. We talked about it in this episode a 856 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,440 Speaker 1: little bit. Um. It was telegraphed by a lot of 857 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,320 Speaker 1: people on different forums. There were Q and On supporters 858 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: that discussed the date. Trump himself tweeted that this is 859 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 1: a date to remember, January six, um. And they were 860 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 1: all proud boys too, for sure. And we're talked about 861 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,960 Speaker 1: the T shirts that were printed out, right, Uh, we 862 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 1: we know that it takes time to print T shirts 863 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 1: and mass It's not like they were just made all 864 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden and um. You know, you take the 865 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,359 Speaker 1: internet forums and you will see people discussing this date 866 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,359 Speaker 1: and where they're going to be in in how they're 867 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,759 Speaker 1: gonna make this happen. And you can argue that that's 868 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: for the Save America rally that was planned, right, that 869 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: was a thing that was gonna take place, and maybe 870 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 1: they were just gonna go check out the rally itself. 871 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,359 Speaker 1: But if you look deeper into those forums and what's 872 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:20,680 Speaker 1: being discussed, you'll see that there's probably some intention here, 873 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 1: at least on the part of some individuals. There's a 874 00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,120 Speaker 1: really interesting somebody that I want to read up more on, 875 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,520 Speaker 1: a historian from the University of Chicago that was making 876 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,319 Speaker 1: a lot of the press rounds yesterday. Um. Her name 877 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,799 Speaker 1: is Kathleen Blue, and she's an assistant professor of history 878 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,680 Speaker 1: at the University of Chicago, and she wrote a book 879 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,520 Speaker 1: called Bring the War Home. The White Power movement and 880 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,799 Speaker 1: paramilitary America. Uh And she identified the following um from 881 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,359 Speaker 1: symbology from hand signs, et cetera. She said, I think 882 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,400 Speaker 1: that we're looking at a broad array of people that 883 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,720 Speaker 1: include Q and on believers, a conspiracy theorist, some parts 884 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,279 Speaker 1: of Trump's most devoted base that's its own thing, and 885 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,800 Speaker 1: then some activists who have been organizing quite opportunistically towards 886 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,600 Speaker 1: the overthrow of the US and it's democratic institutions for decades, 887 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,319 Speaker 1: opportunistically a k A. Not ideologically aligned with any of this, 888 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,399 Speaker 1: just using it as a springboard to achieve their ends. 889 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 1: I think that is what you'd call an agent provocateur, right, Yeah, 890 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,959 Speaker 1: I'm I'm interested in the internal like the citizens who 891 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,640 Speaker 1: have those views and are working internally to make that happen. 892 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,080 Speaker 1: But I'm way more interested in foreign powers that are 893 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,040 Speaker 1: seeing this as an opportunistic moment um. But but we 894 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 1: we can talk about that. Yeah, yes, so this was 895 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,680 Speaker 1: to your pointment, this was telegraphed well in advance their 896 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 1: multiple forms. There are multiple great reporting investigative outlets predicting 897 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,800 Speaker 1: this a long time ago and just zeroing in increasingly 898 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 1: on the specifics of the n and those those forum 899 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:07,400 Speaker 1: plans do include uh, explicit stated goals of you know, 900 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,880 Speaker 1: attacking the press and things like that. And therefore I 901 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,440 Speaker 1: would argue any claim of surprise on the part of 902 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:18,399 Speaker 1: law enforcement or politicians or remains suspect. It's sus as 903 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,600 Speaker 1: you would say in the game among us. There are 904 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,839 Speaker 1: only a few possibilities for not knowing something like this 905 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,880 Speaker 1: was brewing. They are an engregious level of incompetence or 906 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,919 Speaker 1: willful ignorance ahead in the sand kind of vibe. There's 907 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,000 Speaker 1: a third possibility, the quiet part. Not a ton of 908 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,319 Speaker 1: mainstream outlets are saying aloud collusion. So check out our 909 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 1: earlier episode on extremist infiltration in the military and UH 910 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:50,640 Speaker 1: and and in law enforcement candidly UH. Also, you know, 911 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,040 Speaker 1: UH President elect Joe Biden came out today as we 912 00:56:55,040 --> 00:57:00,000 Speaker 1: were recording this and and pointed out explicitly he said, look, 913 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,440 Speaker 1: there's no way around it. UH. Everybody knows that Black 914 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 1: Lives Matter protesters were treated differently than the folks in 915 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,799 Speaker 1: d C yesterday and paraphrasing here, but you can find 916 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 1: a speech and full UH. Law enforcement did signal this 917 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:23,360 Speaker 1: too far right groups to folks who were opportunistically piggybacking 918 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,360 Speaker 1: on this stuff, and I'll get to the thing about 919 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:30,160 Speaker 1: foreign powers to excite agreement. That's crucial. Um law enforcement 920 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 1: was every every time there was a radically get a 921 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:40,960 Speaker 1: different response two far left versus far right protesters, that 922 00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,880 Speaker 1: was taken as a signal, right, that was taken as 923 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,280 Speaker 1: the idea that that was taken as saying, we will 924 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,960 Speaker 1: not come down on you as hard nor as definitively 925 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:58,680 Speaker 1: as we've come down on other groups. So you've heard 926 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,919 Speaker 1: it before, if you've listen in this show for a while, 927 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,920 Speaker 1: who often maintained we teach people how to treat us. 928 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,520 Speaker 1: While that sounds like a cliche, a truism, a figure speech, 929 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,080 Speaker 1: it is all three of those things. It rings absolutely 930 00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,280 Speaker 1: true here and this is this is that sentiment on 931 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:23,280 Speaker 1: a macro cosmic level. Authorities and law enforcement, whether through negligence, 932 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 1: whether through design. Now I don't think this was a 933 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,680 Speaker 1: unified thing, just to be clear, factions, let's say, law enforcement, 934 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,960 Speaker 1: whether through negligence or through design, have taught certain genres 935 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,360 Speaker 1: of extremists that they are literally able to storm the 936 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,600 Speaker 1: seat of American government with little to no risk of injury, 937 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,520 Speaker 1: and at this point, little to no risk of serious repercussions. 938 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,920 Speaker 1: Now again, you know that may change. I imagine the reaction, 939 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,640 Speaker 1: or I hope the reaction from the federal level is 940 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,680 Speaker 1: to come down hard in this, you know, in this regard, 941 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,880 Speaker 1: because I would expect people should get and bubble if 942 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,800 Speaker 1: they're out stealing podiums from Congress. I don't know. I'm 943 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,040 Speaker 1: not I'm not the guy in charge of podiums. I'm 944 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,560 Speaker 1: just guessing. Well, that's certainly been the call from lawmakers 945 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,840 Speaker 1: from both sides of the aisle. Is part prosecute these 946 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, uh people to the greatest extent of the law. 947 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,040 Speaker 1: But you know, there's a lot of bluster involved in politics. Uh, 948 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,040 Speaker 1: it's almost as though they don't always tell the truth. Um. 949 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's certainly something that's been said. It was 950 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,720 Speaker 1: it was said in that statement from from Trump's camp. 951 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,800 Speaker 1: So we'll see because the infotrure is out there because 952 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,440 Speaker 1: right were they weren't trying to hide themselves or their 953 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,439 Speaker 1: identities one iota. I mean, remember the FBI found one 954 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,840 Speaker 1: protester last year via Etsy of all things. You guys 955 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,040 Speaker 1: remember that. But but this is met the point you raise. 956 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to lose it because it is so crucial. 957 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,520 Speaker 1: This is a gold mine for foreign countries and non 958 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,040 Speaker 1: state actors that are antagonistic to the US. Aside from 959 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,320 Speaker 1: being in an international embarrassment of the highest order, it 960 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,560 Speaker 1: weakens the US position in the world during a very 961 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:12,880 Speaker 1: turbulent time. China is becoming increasingly authoritarian. Uh, the doomsday 962 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,520 Speaker 1: clock of the Middle East powder keg is just like 963 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,320 Speaker 1: it's just hovering, you know, a few milliseconds, a few 964 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,480 Speaker 1: figurative milliseconds, I should say, before midnight. So, like, how 965 01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,880 Speaker 1: how bad can this get? Military allies abroad we were 966 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 1: talking about this off air. Military allies abroad have come 967 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:35,560 Speaker 1: forward and they have said not us, not not US 968 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,880 Speaker 1: as in the show, not US as in the US government. 969 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,840 Speaker 1: Military allies in other countries that we work with have 970 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,280 Speaker 1: gone on record saying they believe the current president deliberately 971 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,680 Speaker 1: conspired to incite a coup. And they took it a 972 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,560 Speaker 1: step further, folks, they said this plan may have occurred 973 01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:01,600 Speaker 1: with assistance from federal level law enforcement officials. I don't, 974 01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what do you think about that? Those 975 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,959 Speaker 1: are heavy, heavy words. Yeah, No, I mean, I'm I'm 976 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,880 Speaker 1: I'm with it. That's wanted and from from my part, 977 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,120 Speaker 1: end with a quote from a tweet from that Kathleen 978 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,000 Speaker 1: Blue who I just mentioned, Um, she said, getting lots 979 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,560 Speaker 1: of notes. So for those who need to hear this, 980 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,040 Speaker 1: it feels this bad because it wasn't a protest. The 981 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,800 Speaker 1: sadness and rage comes from seeing a terrorist attack only 982 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,800 Speaker 1: by sheer luck was it not a bombing? And we 983 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,160 Speaker 1: know that it could have been because there were bombs, 984 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,760 Speaker 1: uh and there's ample reason to think we could have 985 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:37,240 Speaker 1: seen assassinations. Yeah, and it stinks, but we we may still, 986 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,520 Speaker 1: you know, And that that's why this is so so freaky, 987 01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:46,160 Speaker 1: because it hasn't stopped, and there has you know. It's 988 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,200 Speaker 1: it's like lighting a fuse and there's no real way 989 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,280 Speaker 1: to to turn it off. It's made out of that 990 01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,640 Speaker 1: special substance where it's very difficult to stop that fuse 991 01:01:54,800 --> 01:02:00,479 Speaker 1: from being from continuing to uh burn, you know. Yeah, 992 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,720 Speaker 1: yeah sources Prince for sure. Um, those those buckets just 993 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna keep going. But I guess what I mean 994 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,920 Speaker 1: is if there's if there are foreign intelligence agencies that 995 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,640 Speaker 1: are looking in and saying, wow, yeah this is serious. 996 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,640 Speaker 1: If there's actionable intelligence, I implore you everyone out there 997 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,720 Speaker 1: and am I five or six or seven, or where 998 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,480 Speaker 1: whoever you are, wherever you are, Uh, let let us know, 999 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,680 Speaker 1: or send some stuff to Snowed and let him let 1000 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,959 Speaker 1: him let us know, because, um, it definitely feels weird 1001 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,280 Speaker 1: to me, Like we've been doing this show for long enough, 1002 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 1: We've been looking at some of these weird things for 1003 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 1: long enough that it feels as though the actions that 1004 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 1: were taken could have been, even without the sitting president's knowledge, 1005 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:54,040 Speaker 1: used against the United States by some foreign intelligence group 1006 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,400 Speaker 1: or you know, military that's planning to cause harm to 1007 01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,320 Speaker 1: the United States on purpose. It felt that way. Yeah, 1008 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean, consider also the massive opportunity to breach security 1009 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,600 Speaker 1: in a way that hasn't existed before. What if and 1010 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:15,680 Speaker 1: we're just speculating here, what if? What if you are 1011 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,400 Speaker 1: a foreign intelligence operative on the ground at these protests, 1012 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,760 Speaker 1: you say, oh, we're getting into the capital, We're getting 1013 01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:31,360 Speaker 1: into the offices of Congress. They have their emails are open, 1014 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,120 Speaker 1: they're still logged in, you know what I mean. Like 1015 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,200 Speaker 1: I can look at the screen, I could send an 1016 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,640 Speaker 1: email as this congress person right now. Maybe I'll just 1017 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,600 Speaker 1: sit right and saw malware. That's probably more realistic than 1018 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,640 Speaker 1: what I was gonna say, like maybe they're just gonna 1019 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,680 Speaker 1: send an email to their keeper and go lull. But 1020 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,880 Speaker 1: but I mean, it's true. It's a massive security leak. 1021 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,360 Speaker 1: There was a guy who got out of because these 1022 01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,360 Speaker 1: people weren't really getting searched when they were getting moved. 1023 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,520 Speaker 1: So there's there's a photograph of somebody with a piece 1024 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,320 Speaker 1: of congressional mail and just took it with him right 1025 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,400 Speaker 1: as the guy was that was that's correct. There's also 1026 01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,320 Speaker 1: a note left in uh that congress person's desk that says, 1027 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 1: we will not back down. Uh surprised nobody like took 1028 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,800 Speaker 1: a dump in her drawer or something like that. There's 1029 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:29,000 Speaker 1: speculation that someone urinated. Yeah. There. There's also there's also 1030 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:37,480 Speaker 1: a speculation, increasingly um increasingly focused speculation that this this 1031 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,960 Speaker 1: is the first volley of something bigger, right, like what happened? 1032 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,800 Speaker 1: You know, I saw some again, we don't. I don't 1033 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,800 Speaker 1: know how much cream is to give these sauce statements 1034 01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:53,520 Speaker 1: where someone's like, we're coming back January, you know, like 1035 01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:58,120 Speaker 1: we have we have learned that we can do we 1036 01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,960 Speaker 1: have learned that we can do this. Um. Regardless of 1037 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,640 Speaker 1: what you think about that, Uh, it's true some of 1038 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:11,000 Speaker 1: the forces involved with attacking the capital are going to 1039 01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,720 Speaker 1: see this as a victory, you know what I mean. 1040 01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 1: They're not going to see it as like, oh, we 1041 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:21,200 Speaker 1: got defeated because they breached the capital. And now you 1042 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,200 Speaker 1: know again, we don't have all the answers we want 1043 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,280 Speaker 1: to hear from you, folks. There's one huge question on 1044 01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,680 Speaker 1: everyone's mind in the United States and across the planet 1045 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,840 Speaker 1: right now, and it's this what happens next? Next you 1046 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,840 Speaker 1: go to Twitter, find us where we're conspiracy stuff or 1047 01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:43,560 Speaker 1: Facebook also conspiracy stuff or conspiracy stuff show on Instagram, 1048 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:48,520 Speaker 1: and uh tell us send us things where we're interested. 1049 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,440 Speaker 1: We want to continue. We will continue looking into this, 1050 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,440 Speaker 1: so we look forward to anything and everything you want 1051 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,040 Speaker 1: to discuss. Just find us on social media, and if 1052 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,400 Speaker 1: you don't want to do that, we have a number 1053 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,120 Speaker 1: that's right. You can call us at one eight three 1054 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,240 Speaker 1: three S T D W y t K. Take your 1055 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,000 Speaker 1: three minutes. You get three minutes to say whatever you 1056 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,120 Speaker 1: want to say. Let us know your name or if 1057 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:11,920 Speaker 1: you want to be anonymous, or if you just want 1058 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,880 Speaker 1: us to call you by your first name, make sure 1059 01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:15,960 Speaker 1: you let us know if it's okay to use your 1060 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,760 Speaker 1: story on air. I would think you you well, you 1061 01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,960 Speaker 1: could just leave it for us. That's fine too, But 1062 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,680 Speaker 1: if you are cool with it, we you might end 1063 01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,160 Speaker 1: up hearing yourself on one of our weekly Listener Male episodes, 1064 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,160 Speaker 1: and um, if the star is truly a line, you 1065 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:34,240 Speaker 1: might get a personal call for Mr Matt Fredericks. Beware, beware. Indeed, 1066 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,680 Speaker 1: if you don't want to do any of that, but 1067 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,040 Speaker 1: you still want to get in touch and you want 1068 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,760 Speaker 1: to do it's sort of a more old fashioned way. 1069 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,680 Speaker 1: Why don't you send us in a good old email. 1070 01:06:42,040 --> 01:07:04,480 Speaker 1: We are conspiracy at iHeart radio dot com. Yeah, stuff 1071 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,400 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. 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