Speaker 1: It's with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Oh boy, you guys,
Speaker 1: it's another episode of nine or two on OMG. Hello ladies,
Speaker 1: Hi you guys. Oh my gosh. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: want to say anything or whisper. People did not thought
Speaker 1: it was funny though Amy Amy's referencing last week. She
Speaker 1: did a couple of whispering moments, and some of our fans,
Speaker 1: some of our listeners, had a few opinions about it.
Speaker 1: Very Some people love it. Notes like you get from
Speaker 1: a producer, right, remember didn't you get notes? But you
Speaker 1: get to get it from all of the world now.
Speaker 1: And I listened. It was painful. I didn't like cry,
Speaker 1: but I just was like, oh, it feels like you
Speaker 1: get punched in the stomach. But I listen, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk less and whisper never again. Don't let the people,
Speaker 1: don't let people, you know, hold down your light, put
Speaker 1: out your light, and you be you because that's why
Speaker 1: we loved you. You can't please everybody. We all know that.
Speaker 1: You know what pleased us a lot though, and that's
Speaker 1: important as well, because it made a smile. I always
Speaker 1: real what pleased me this episode very different episode of nine. Yeah. First, first, first,
Speaker 1: I want to I want to just go back for
Speaker 1: a second. I um, after the podcast, I went back
Speaker 1: and I rewatched the episode from last week, the part
Speaker 1: specifically to see because, as you all know, I'm watching
Speaker 1: this for the very first time, Tories mostly watching it.
Speaker 1: I think you're watching all of it for the very
Speaker 1: first time, even though you have a lot better memory
Speaker 1: than I do about a lot of it. But um
Speaker 1: so when Jack the car blew up, and then when
Speaker 1: you guys told me that that's not really what happened
Speaker 1: to Jack didn't really die, it really screw me for
Speaker 1: a loop and I had to go back and watch it.
Speaker 1: So I watched it, and Okay, you're right, Amy, he
Speaker 1: I was wrong. He did not. I did not see
Speaker 1: him get into the car, so I don't really know.
Speaker 1: But but I don't think that if if a car
Speaker 1: blew up like that, we would see a body or anything.
Speaker 1: It was so like explosive and so crazy, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. You can't see, you can't like there's nothing
Speaker 1: as a steering wheel. You see a steering wheel, You
Speaker 1: see a lot of flames, steering wheel, you see the
Speaker 1: steering back. I didn't get it. Didn't. It didn't set
Speaker 1: me off like I wasn't like, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna but I'm gonna go with I absolutely think that
Speaker 1: Jack McKay died in that explosion. That is how I,
Speaker 1: as a viewer, I am going to interpret it because
Speaker 1: that's how I wanted to be um. Not that I
Speaker 1: wanted him to die, but I you know, I want
Speaker 1: that for the purpose of the story I in for
Speaker 1: what's going on. I don't know, you know, in other
Speaker 1: podcasts or interviews or whatever, there have been people saying,
Speaker 1: oh that Chuck Rosen r ep um said that he did,
Speaker 1: that he had left it open ended, that he didn't
Speaker 1: have he didn't have any pardon, whether it was coming
Speaker 1: back or not, that he had left the show, and
Speaker 1: then different writers took it a different direction. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care about it. Chuck Rosen
Speaker 1: not there the whole ten years, No, he it it?
Speaker 1: And then who shock over Jena. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: can't remember. Was there Eisendraff? Yes, yes, it was. Now
Speaker 1: that you say his name, I remember, what's his name? Eisendraff? John? Eisendraff?
Speaker 1: He loved us? Did he not care? For you. I
Speaker 1: feel like so much sarcasm coming from Tori me. I
Speaker 1: guess you know what it's best if we wait until
Speaker 1: when we'll talk about Okay, I look forward. I have
Speaker 1: something to look forward to because I actually don't know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, but you have a freshwire memory
Speaker 1: and then I will come back to me because that's
Speaker 1: how it works. But I, like I said, it was
Speaker 1: just different, like chucking stuff. From the beginning, it was
Speaker 1: like family, and then it's like detour. Someone came in
Speaker 1: that I didn't know us as well, and it was
Speaker 1: just a different way of of running the ship. Anybody
Speaker 1: hard to come yes on this episode? Okay, let's just I.
Speaker 1: We'll see our thing first and then we're gonna dive
Speaker 1: in because there's so much to talk about. This is
Speaker 1: season three episode The Child Is Father to the Man,
Speaker 1: aired February. Synopsis. After Jack is killed in a mob
Speaker 1: related car bombing, Dylan struggles with his inner self, urging
Speaker 1: him back to old drinking habits before learned the shocking
Speaker 1: truth about his father's parole and true colors from Christine,
Speaker 1: who revealed to be f I f I uh one
Speaker 1: eye at one eye contacts not working, uh, After Jack
Speaker 1: is killed in a mob related car bombing, Dylan struggles
Speaker 1: with his inner self, urging him back to old drinking
Speaker 1: habits before he learns the shocking truth about his father's
Speaker 1: parole and true colors from Christine, who's revealed to be
Speaker 1: FBI agent. Meanwhile, Kelly continues to be obsessed with losing
Speaker 1: weight and against starving herself while she becomes uncomfortable. When
Speaker 1: Jim asked Dylan to stay at the wallsh House for
Speaker 1: a while to avoid reporters following his every move, Steve
Speaker 1: turns down, giving any more recording advice to David, who
Speaker 1: struggles with meaning with Curtis Bray and Surge men can
Speaker 1: for a for a recording session on the day of
Speaker 1: Jack McKay's funeral. Also, Brandon's losing street continues as his
Speaker 1: betting continues. A lot a lot of synopsis there. This
Speaker 1: was just good TV, playing and simple. This was um
Speaker 1: my favorite episode so far of the three seasons that
Speaker 1: we've seen. I feel like seasons that's a big state. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was it. Starting with the right out of the
Speaker 1: gate with with the dream slash nightmare and then the
Speaker 1: line from what what is you know? The alter ego
Speaker 1: or whoever it is that the other Dylan in the
Speaker 1: squences where he says Jack's dead, we might as well
Speaker 1: be just sets up the whole episode for me and
Speaker 1: was like goose bumps because that statement couldn't be truer.
Speaker 1: Like when you lose someone that's that you're that close with,
Speaker 1: that's how you feel like they're dead. I might as
Speaker 1: well be dead too. The writing was really on point.
Speaker 1: Like the writing, the direction, it was a little less
Speaker 1: nine o two, A knowe just felt like a real
Speaker 1: kind of it was much lack of a better word,
Speaker 1: arts here, you know what I mean. It was it
Speaker 1: told the story just so much more profoundly. Whether it
Speaker 1: was through the like what they did with the camera
Speaker 1: or that, I don't know. I gotta give it to
Speaker 1: Luke though this was last year. Last week we were like,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that performance of the car blowing
Speaker 1: up thing. I don't know if it was anywhere like
Speaker 1: this was emmy worthy. I agreeing, And it's a travesty
Speaker 1: that that was not recognized that he did not get
Speaker 1: any kind of credit for that. I put in my notes,
Speaker 1: I'm so curious what you guys would respond to this,
Speaker 1: I said, is this when Luke became the star of
Speaker 1: this show. And I think that when this is when
Speaker 1: Luke became a star, Like he was already a star,
Speaker 1: but this was when people realized the depth of his
Speaker 1: ability to bring you to just your knees with emotion,
Speaker 1: like wow. But the whole thing, this whole dad dying storyline,
Speaker 1: just has me so like rocked really honestly, I mean
Speaker 1: feeling low and too pressed and like I'm like, why
Speaker 1: would Beverly Hills No. No. Two one O take us
Speaker 1: down this road? Because it's so traumatic and so dramatic
Speaker 1: and it brings up terrible feelings, especially for people who
Speaker 1: have lost somebody in their lives, like their father, Like whoa,
Speaker 1: it's hard to watch, Yeah, and we forget sometimes I
Speaker 1: think it's like it's Luke Perry, it's still and like
Speaker 1: we forget he's just a teen boy, like having to
Speaker 1: do that because he's such a superstar, right, I mean
Speaker 1: it's awful, right, Like from that scene where he's on
Speaker 1: the phone and Kelly's there and she doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to be with him or what to say or how
Speaker 1: to comfort him, and it's just awful because he's dealing
Speaker 1: with all of this essentially alone, and he's not equipped.
Speaker 1: Neither of them are equipped to um navigate this. They
Speaker 1: they're not They shouldn't be their teenagers. I like to
Speaker 1: that out even as adults. That is like going to
Speaker 1: the funeral that was so relatable to me because it
Speaker 1: was like, have you before that? Have you called him?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know relatable to be like I don't
Speaker 1: know what to say as an adult with kids of
Speaker 1: my own when someone loses someone, I still don't know
Speaker 1: what to say because there is no there's nothing. And
Speaker 1: I remember when I lost my dad, Like people say,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say, and I kept reminding
Speaker 1: them it's okay not to know what you say, because
Speaker 1: it's a feeling like only you know. It's great that
Speaker 1: people express their sorrow and sorry for your loss, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter because nothing takes it away, like
Speaker 1: only you have that you know, and you to grieve
Speaker 1: as long as you want and usually it's forever changes
Speaker 1: to wow, whoa jan forever? And it changed. That's what
Speaker 1: I said last week, like this is changing everything. I
Speaker 1: don't know how the show can come back from this.
Speaker 1: I don't know how the character of Dylan can ever
Speaker 1: have fun and go to the beach and be surfing
Speaker 1: again and hang out with the bu It's like it's
Speaker 1: always going to be this just like underlying current for him,
Speaker 1: as it would be in real life. And it's just like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why they went this direction, Like it
Speaker 1: just kind of upsets me, honestly. Mm hmmm. I mean
Speaker 1: I don't know why. But I think it's interesting that
Speaker 1: you said this is your favorite episode of all the
Speaker 1: three seasons. So as much as you're like, why did
Speaker 1: they go this way? It was still good. Maybe you
Speaker 1: answered your own question because I also think it's one
Speaker 1: of the best episodes so far, definitely, And I think
Speaker 1: you could argue it's one of the best episodes of
Speaker 1: the ten years. Yeah. I mean, they weren't making a
Speaker 1: lot of TV like this in honestly, they weren't giving
Speaker 1: young actors the opportunity to explore this territory and to
Speaker 1: you know, do this kind of acting. And I thought
Speaker 1: it was so fascinating how he brilliantly played both the
Speaker 1: younger version of himself and the high school Dylan because
Speaker 1: they looked different even like the way he did it,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Like I literally wrote
Speaker 1: down the high school versions like a babe, even though
Speaker 1: he was emotional and crying. The younger version physically was
Speaker 1: completely different, even though it was Luke Perry at the
Speaker 1: same exact dight. And it was interesting to like watching
Speaker 1: it and having loved Luke so much and been so
Speaker 1: close to him, I've seen all those parts of Luke
Speaker 1: in different very certain you know, situations and conversations and
Speaker 1: settings like those. It's so fascinating how that's all in
Speaker 1: somebody like that anger and that at all those things
Speaker 1: that he was was playing with or in that. I
Speaker 1: don't want to get it wrong, but I'm fairly certain
Speaker 1: that in an original version of this, that young actor
Speaker 1: that comes on at the end was actually supposed to
Speaker 1: play the young Luke throughout the episode, and that Luke
Speaker 1: Perry went and asked and said, these this, these lines
Speaker 1: are amazing. Can I can I play both? And I
Speaker 1: don't want to get it wrong, but that's what I
Speaker 1: read and how I interpreted it. Well. I think that
Speaker 1: was a good call. I agree this was his best episode,
Speaker 1: probably one of the best things I've ever seen him.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think he was brilliant in Riverdale too,
Speaker 1: but that's a different conversation. I never watched that, but
Speaker 1: I know that this was. This is a fan favorite
Speaker 1: for for so many people. People love the last episode,
Speaker 1: but people really love this episode, and everybody is like,
Speaker 1: my heartbroke. This was heartbreaking. This episode from beginning to
Speaker 1: end was agonizing. It was hard to watch, but that's
Speaker 1: what was so great about it. Yeah, I thought, now
Speaker 1: even harder to watch because just having lost Luke and
Speaker 1: dealing with his death. Oh, I can't even get into it,
Speaker 1: but I I, for one um, I was watching this
Speaker 1: in my living room a few hours ago, and for
Speaker 1: some reason, my house is rarely quiet, I'm rarely home alone.
Speaker 1: Everyone magically left the house as I was watching it.
Speaker 1: And when we got to the end and you see
Speaker 1: you know Luke, you see Dylan with the I just
Speaker 1: have WHOA, I have major breakdown and just like right
Speaker 1: back to that feeling of losing him. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine because this is the first episode
Speaker 1: for me where I thought about it a number of
Speaker 1: times during the episode, So I can only imagine for
Speaker 1: you both and not just me, like everybody felt felt it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that we watched it and you know, his
Speaker 1: beautiful children, like I hope they never watched it because
Speaker 1: it's just like too much, just too much. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I've heard anyone bring that up though,
Speaker 1: that's so true, like the fact that Luke is speaking
Speaker 1: to his inner self, his younger self, talking about his
Speaker 1: dad's death and how death affects you forever, Like I
Speaker 1: don't have you amy heard other fans talk about it
Speaker 1: gets so right on with Jen's saying like it takes
Speaker 1: all of us back to the moment like when we
Speaker 1: lost Low. Yeah, I'd say, what's so interesting about it
Speaker 1: is I was completely immersed in the episode while simultaneously
Speaker 1: being so devastated that he's not here anymore. It was
Speaker 1: really the first time where that was so glaring. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, and just the whole episode is really his
Speaker 1: because even Brian Austin Green, who who I thought his
Speaker 1: storyline was so dumb, Yeah, stop telling him this dumb stuff.
Speaker 1: And then what a powerful moment they have in that scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I felt bad for him when he in
Speaker 1: the bathroom and sorry Dylan kind of you know, well
Speaker 1: not kind of. He really does just blow him off
Speaker 1: and says whatever, and and but that didn't make David stop,
Speaker 1: which I loved about him. He still couldn't get there
Speaker 1: his recording session, and he still somehow made it to
Speaker 1: the Walsh's house to pay his respects, and he walks
Speaker 1: in at that pivotal moment, right when Dylan didn't have
Speaker 1: the body to help him and he needed that friend
Speaker 1: to just intervene, and magically David was there and he
Speaker 1: had all the right things to say, And yes, that
Speaker 1: was really a beautiful scene and probably also some of
Speaker 1: Brian Auston Green's best work, Like everybody was at their
Speaker 1: ut most because Brenda was Shannon was amazing in this episode,
Speaker 1: Like I'm still Kelly, but but I I think maybe
Speaker 1: they should have gotten back together. In this episode, I
Speaker 1: felt the same way, Like I I feel the same way.
Speaker 1: I was, like, I'm so impressed with the way Brenda
Speaker 1: is dealing with this all and just the depth of
Speaker 1: her character. I felt it, and I wanted them to hug.
Speaker 1: I wanted them to get back together because that scene
Speaker 1: where Dylan was in the bathroom and he's trying to
Speaker 1: put on his tie and he couldn't keep it together,
Speaker 1: and she was so stoic and so strong for him,
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't know why. That's just how
Speaker 1: she chose to play it, and but it worked. But
Speaker 1: I just really wanted them to embrace in her, to
Speaker 1: want them to like and not in like a Kado
Speaker 1: never thought like a kiss thing is appropriate, especially even
Speaker 1: when Kelly kissed him in the beginning, like I don't
Speaker 1: like that, you know, like she didn't in that moment.
Speaker 1: Kelly didn't know do I hug him, do I kiss him?
Speaker 1: How do I come from him? What would make him?
Speaker 1: I don't know. But I didn't feel like a kiss
Speaker 1: would have been right for Brenda. In that moment with Dylan,
Speaker 1: I felt like the hug, like the friendship, that deep
Speaker 1: connection that they had. Yeah, I felt every single person
Speaker 1: played their character to the utmost. And we can talk
Speaker 1: about both of you because it's true for both of you.
Speaker 1: Jenny will get to you because yours was a little
Speaker 1: more complicated tory for you. That scene with David and
Speaker 1: with Kelly, where once again Donna is always in the middle,
Speaker 1: in the middle and stays so strong on what is right,
Speaker 1: what is the right thing to do? Donna like really
Speaker 1: never the whole time. I wish she had chosen a
Speaker 1: few more levels. But yeah, no, I thought it was
Speaker 1: so great when you're passionate about you. It was like
Speaker 1: I was like, okay taking out like I thought, she
Speaker 1: was like right on saying David like you don't need
Speaker 1: to go to your recording session today, and Kelly, you
Speaker 1: need to get dressed, you need to be there. This
Speaker 1: is the right thing. I just she is the moral
Speaker 1: compass for this group always. Well, it's very rare that,
Speaker 1: like it's this episode. I don't think we mentioned it
Speaker 1: was written by Darren Starr, Karen Rosen, and Chuck Rosen,
Speaker 1: So it was our creator and our two show runners.
Speaker 1: And I think have you ever said, have they ever
Speaker 1: written an episode just the three of them together? I
Speaker 1: don't know if we've had that, but a lot of times,
Speaker 1: like the I thought the writing was so good in
Speaker 1: this episode, and I feel like those three powerhouses writing
Speaker 1: a complete episode is like I feel like it was
Speaker 1: such an important episode. They were like, no, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna have like staff writers writed and then we'll weigh in,
Speaker 1: we want to write this one. But also, um James
Speaker 1: Whitmore Jr. Who was one of our favorite directors. I
Speaker 1: wonder if, like I can't remember because we had a
Speaker 1: lot of directors who were like, hey, you guys know
Speaker 1: your stuff. We'll just kind of stand back and direct
Speaker 1: the scenes. But you you choose what you do for
Speaker 1: your characters. And we had some directors who wanted to
Speaker 1: get there, you know, their stamp in there. So I
Speaker 1: can't remember what he was like, do you remember? But
Speaker 1: I have an inkling that he was a little bit
Speaker 1: more involved in the acting in theat have to be.
Speaker 1: How could Luke, I mean, the most brilliant actor would
Speaker 1: need something to play two characters at the exact same
Speaker 1: time in scenes opposite themselves. Like who stood in for
Speaker 1: Luke when he was being do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: he's obviously got to be standon Greg Stan who was
Speaker 1: in the opening when he's when he's surfing, that's his
Speaker 1: stand in. Oh no, what was the air date again
Speaker 1: of this episode? I mean obviously we talked about it
Speaker 1: last week. It's Sweeps. Yeah, it's like the middle of
Speaker 1: Sweeps in the nineties, which was just the biggest deal.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Fox promoted this these episodes every day leading
Speaker 1: up to it, as they should have. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you're right though, that everybody out a good um, Like
Speaker 1: usually there's an a storyline to be storyline, but this
Speaker 1: was like the a storyline and everybody was involved in
Speaker 1: it and I like that. Well, and Jenny, let's talk
Speaker 1: about you, because playing Kelly or being Kelly in this
Speaker 1: episode is so challenging. As she's navigating trying to be
Speaker 1: there for him, she's the only one at the house.
Speaker 1: She's dealing with that paparazzi and press or whatever they were,
Speaker 1: and Jim, who you have to be respectful of because
Speaker 1: he's a father and an adult, coming in and literally
Speaker 1: stabbing you in your heart basically by saying like we're
Speaker 1: gonna take you son, and you're gonna come home with us,
Speaker 1: which was the right thing for Dylan to do, but
Speaker 1: you've got this tension with Brenda and like that's the
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend. I mean, what a mess for Kelly, even
Speaker 1: though I understand it was about Dylan, but still it
Speaker 1: was so painful. Yeah, she didn't know what to do
Speaker 1: or I mean, you we see her sort of struggling
Speaker 1: with her eating disorder in this one, and she's you know,
Speaker 1: nervous eating binging chips. Yeah, because she doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to handle things, and um, I felt like that was
Speaker 1: just her really giving into her own self doubt and
Speaker 1: her own insecurities like that are so deep within her,
Speaker 1: you know that it inhibits her from being outside of
Speaker 1: herself enough to help Dylan in in those moments when
Speaker 1: he needed it. So it was definitely the right call
Speaker 1: for for Dylan to go to the Wallshes, for him
Speaker 1: to have that um family presence and like that support.
Speaker 1: And of course she felt like you know, on the
Speaker 1: outs because she wasn't there. I mean, she could have
Speaker 1: had him come to her house, and I'm sure her
Speaker 1: mom would have loved, you know, to support him that
Speaker 1: way too. But it was right that he went to
Speaker 1: the to the Wallsh's house and that Cindy you know,
Speaker 1: through the wake for him. And then you have that
Speaker 1: great scene with it's Kelly and Christine and Brenda comes up,
Speaker 1: you know, really putting everything aside both of them and
Speaker 1: saying you remember how to get there, and it's like wow,
Speaker 1: this everybody's just in pain and trying to navigate it
Speaker 1: and their teenagers and then trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 1: The episode felt very soapy to me, but also very real,
Speaker 1: like I was like, I'm in hook Line and Sinker
Speaker 1: and everything happening here, even though it's taken them more
Speaker 1: of a dynasty turn. It didn't. It didn't feel dynasty
Speaker 1: to me. It didn't feel like it's unbelievable because of
Speaker 1: the acting from everybody. Honestly, it didn't ever feel like
Speaker 1: unrealistic to me or it felt so. As an actor.
Speaker 1: In order to put upon that kind of an emotional
Speaker 1: you know, depth, you have to have seen some in
Speaker 1: your life. You've had to go through some stuff to
Speaker 1: pull on that stuff. And you know, Luke had dealt
Speaker 1: with stuff with his own upbringing, and there you could
Speaker 1: just see he was pulling from such such a deep well.
Speaker 1: And I felt like everybody was respectful of that and
Speaker 1: sort of conscious of that and working around what he
Speaker 1: was doing with his story. And that's how it would
Speaker 1: be if if this character's father had died and nobody
Speaker 1: knew how to handle it, even when he's trying to
Speaker 1: reach Iris. I thought, God, this is so he's amazing.
Speaker 1: He was amazing. What did you guys think of the
Speaker 1: red elation that? But what I was wrote what he
Speaker 1: sees FBI had not that coming. First of all, she
Speaker 1: looked great as an FBI agent. I was like, of course,
Speaker 1: it makes such sense, like she's such, she's perfect for that,
Speaker 1: but I didn't not because we knew what was coming.
Speaker 1: We expected, but I didn't know I thought anything like
Speaker 1: that would be the case. Now, I thought he was
Speaker 1: going to go into the that shady check that they
Speaker 1: took him in off Florado Street, and just I thought
Speaker 1: they were going to beat him up or something bad
Speaker 1: was going to take I didn't know. Now I do
Speaker 1: believe her when she said she fell in love with him,
Speaker 1: even though I think it's in the FBI that would
Speaker 1: be super frowned upon. But it's like, I did believe her.
Speaker 1: And then she said she was going to resign because
Speaker 1: she had crossed the professional line or whatever. And then
Speaker 1: she said, I have to learn how to move forward
Speaker 1: without him, And so do you? Now? Okay? Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna whisper? Now? I want to? So I
Speaker 1: want you to. You have to do it. Cannot Here's
Speaker 1: the thing. We I hope that we can move forward
Speaker 1: with this show and not spoil it for me. If
Speaker 1: you can't. I know you guys want to talk about
Speaker 1: going to ask because here's my problem in a rewatch.
Speaker 1: We're rewatching it. So I want to be able to
Speaker 1: ask about things because I the first time I watched it,
Speaker 1: I didn't know, so I was like you, Jenny, like
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm buying this out. I agree, But now
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, I have questions should how
Speaker 1: do I navigate that? And I guess maybe people can
Speaker 1: weigh in without like being mad at me, because what
Speaker 1: I can I just ask it and then like, okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, poor Jenny, Okay, close your ears. Does Christine
Speaker 1: know everything? Maybe I'll ask it like that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe she doesn't see I don't know. And somebody on
Speaker 1: the and somebody on the instagram wrote something that I
Speaker 1: want to ask you guys so bad because just okay, yes,
Speaker 1: we don't have to answer. Yeah, I mean people have
Speaker 1: all seen it. So someone on the instagram wrote, so,
Speaker 1: you know how as this you may not know this,
Speaker 1: but as it goes on, Dylan sees his father. He
Speaker 1: has like sees his father, I think it graduation and
Speaker 1: like a couple of other places where he acknowledges that.
Speaker 1: And now I'm realizing, like was it really him or
Speaker 1: was that his imagination? Right? Like was he seeing it
Speaker 1: or was he so like, there are some things that
Speaker 1: we want to talk about. Who chills but why can't
Speaker 1: we talk about them as they come? Oh, I see
Speaker 1: what you're saying. So at the so during the episode
Speaker 1: of the graduation, maybe we acknowledge it. Okay, I mean
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know. I don't know. It's it's
Speaker 1: hard to make everybody happy in this situation. But for
Speaker 1: me too, I don't like having spoiled because then and
Speaker 1: when I watch it, I'm like, I have a colored
Speaker 1: experience of like what I'm watching rather than just a
Speaker 1: true like experience. But you're right, I'm probably one of
Speaker 1: the only people in Tori. I don't know how you feel,
Speaker 1: but I'm probably one of the old people that's never
Speaker 1: seen an episode from beginning to end consecutively throughout the series.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's pretty normal. It's tough to navigate
Speaker 1: because everything that comes later. Sometimes I'm like, we have
Speaker 1: like would you remember, because you're such an inter part
Speaker 1: of what comes later and the reveal of things. But
Speaker 1: I love that you don't know because you're truly watching
Speaker 1: it for the first time like a fan. So I
Speaker 1: love that part. But I got to say, like, what
Speaker 1: is the percentage you guys people are rewatching it now again?
Speaker 1: But a very small percentage of people who have never
Speaker 1: in their lifetime see nine two and they're watching it
Speaker 1: for the very first time. True, yes, here's the example.
Speaker 1: But what about the new people that are watching it
Speaker 1: for the first time like that are like, hey, I've
Speaker 1: never seen you. You never saw the show. It's almost like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know the movie The Sixth Cents. Yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so there's and if somebody hasn't seen The Sixth sense,
Speaker 1: my god, don't give that away because that's okay. But
Speaker 1: imagine if we were doing this show and we did
Speaker 1: one episode before before we watched The Sixth Cents or
Speaker 1: the first time, but then if you were rewatching it,
Speaker 1: you would watch it completely differently knowing. So that's where
Speaker 1: I'm trying to navigate this, because it's like the first
Speaker 1: to do this show for our fans that have been
Speaker 1: so dedicated over the last thirty years, and they are
Speaker 1: watching it because they're getting a new take on things
Speaker 1: that they never knew about. So right, well, okay, look,
Speaker 1: some people were upset that we talked about Shannon being
Speaker 1: late to work supposedly allegedly, but that is the reason
Speaker 1: they didn't get back together in this episode that we're
Speaker 1: talking about so to me, it's how do you know that?
Speaker 1: Because the Internet told me? Then I telled her everything.
Speaker 1: And my thing is like they were upset that we
Speaker 1: mentioned the behind the scenes because they be negative about Shannon.
Speaker 1: It was a fact, so also I left the behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. So for me, I want to hear from
Speaker 1: you because they said I don't like Shannon, and I'm
Speaker 1: like those I like Shannon. You read it off the internet,
Speaker 1: it must be true. Well, and I can see now
Speaker 1: knowing that fact, which I didn't know the first time
Speaker 1: I saw the show, but knowing that fact now, when
Speaker 1: I watched this episode, you can literally see multiple mo
Speaker 1: mons where Brenda and Dylan could have gotten back together
Speaker 1: or hooked up or kissed or hugged or whatever I
Speaker 1: want to say. And I also felt it. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they're really coming together here. That would
Speaker 1: have been interesting. It will And as far as I'm
Speaker 1: concerned watching it for the first time, that could steal
Speaker 1: happen like I could, that could happen next week. They
Speaker 1: don't ever happen. We're not rolling together again. Do they
Speaker 1: never get back together? And I think a moment or anything,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I think she did it? She whispered, Oh,
Speaker 1: she did. But I sort of love like the idea,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we're having this conversation. Is like, I
Speaker 1: love the armchair quarterbacking of it because we know things
Speaker 1: and that makes for an interesting conversation. It's a whole
Speaker 1: different show if we were watching it the very first
Speaker 1: time to be on a different podcast. Apparently, goodbye guys,
Speaker 1: nice nice work. Okay, wait, so Jenny, let me ask
Speaker 1: you this that I might have been there, But were
Speaker 1: you feelingly were you feeling bad for Kelly? Were you
Speaker 1: team Brenda in the episode? I felt for everyone. I
Speaker 1: felt for Kelly, I feel for Brenda. I wanted Brendan
Speaker 1: and Dylan to be back together. I wanted Kelly. I
Speaker 1: wanted Dylan to be nicer to Kelly. I wanted Kelly
Speaker 1: to know how to comfort him like I wanted all
Speaker 1: the things right. Although I thought so good, you felt
Speaker 1: all of it feels this episode at the end, I
Speaker 1: loved that moment when Dylan calls and she's asleep but
Speaker 1: she's happy he called. It's very It's sweet and kind
Speaker 1: of reassuring, but at the same time, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. That's a good part. That's what
Speaker 1: makes you come back for more. People. I'm definitely coming
Speaker 1: back for more. I thought, I know. I loved this
Speaker 1: scene where uh Dylan talks to the press and says
Speaker 1: he is survived by his only son who loved him
Speaker 1: very much. It was like, oh, God, don't too Oh,
Speaker 1: I thought you meant because he's survived by Oh, he
Speaker 1: doesn't know. I don't know. For me, it was that
Speaker 1: was too close to home too. I couldn't. I was like,
Speaker 1: here come the tears again. Yeah. I think this episode
Speaker 1: is particularly especially hard on you guys because of real
Speaker 1: life two. Yeah, but let's talk about some of the
Speaker 1: lighter moments in the episode, because there were a few.
Speaker 1: Um First of all, I liked it when the guys
Speaker 1: were like trying to play basketball because that's natural, that's
Speaker 1: cute and it needed that, like friend levity stuff that
Speaker 1: was happening. And I thought Brandon was a lot at
Speaker 1: the WLSH house and Brandon great friend in this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was there, but he wasn't like too in his business.
Speaker 1: He just was. He seemed to be able to know
Speaker 1: what to do when when it's okay to be quiet
Speaker 1: and it's okay to just be in the same room
Speaker 1: and and then I need I need a favor, and
Speaker 1: it's like, here's my car. Yeah, it was so weird
Speaker 1: to do Dylan driving It's Mustang, didn't you feel. I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, that just looks odd to me because
Speaker 1: that's Brandon's car. I don't know, but I like to
Speaker 1: Kelly called meat loaf retro. That made me laugh, Like
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, meat loafs retro. Maybe that's why
Speaker 1: whenever I make meat loaf, which I make sometimes but
Speaker 1: I don't make it with meat, but like everyone's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want me loaf? What is? What is meat loof?
Speaker 1: Got such a bad rap? It realiesn't it just is
Speaker 1: like retro. It's like to bring it back dish like
Speaker 1: it was from like they think of like nineteen fifties
Speaker 1: housewives making meat loaf one dish meal. I feel like
Speaker 1: making some meat loaf to net first reason. It has
Speaker 1: that like connotation of like there's nothing to make, so
Speaker 1: well make meat loaf. Like it's like, oh, really, who
Speaker 1: can always have kids being like womp warm you guys,
Speaker 1: you can make meat loaf healthy. I make meat loaf course,
Speaker 1: not meat, but meat alternative and then I use keenoa
Speaker 1: instead of like oatmeal or bread crumbs, so that super food.
Speaker 1: You can use that as like the the stuff that
Speaker 1: binds it. Just saying, hold the ford, who uses oatmeal
Speaker 1: in their meat loaf? People? What did you just say?
Speaker 1: People use bread crumbs, people use oatmeal, people use to
Speaker 1: bind it. But two, but I never heard of oatmeal
Speaker 1: and not just grisp me out so bad. I have
Speaker 1: an inappropriate question, but it's not meant to be fluid.
Speaker 1: What's in the urn? Exactly? If he burned to death
Speaker 1: in the car, who where to get the ashes? Ashes?
Speaker 1: And he's not in the car? What's in the hern?
Speaker 1: I bet there's nothing in that urn? There's nothing literally,
Speaker 1: because they showed the urn a lot of you were you?
Speaker 1: Both of you were you? How did you react when
Speaker 1: you suddenly see the young boy at the end and
Speaker 1: you realize, oh, the the other person is a is
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old boy bawling? That was like an
Speaker 1: eight year old boy, that was his inner child. I
Speaker 1: think the internet says, I'll go with whatever you guys
Speaker 1: like young, but he was really good in that moment,
Speaker 1: and he was just it was so good. It really
Speaker 1: got me going again. I'm nationally brought everything back together
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh god, that was so good. So wait,
Speaker 1: there was a weird Okay, so there's one thing behind
Speaker 1: the thing. I was going to talk about what you know. Okay,
Speaker 1: when Brandon and Dylan, like Dylan's just come to the
Speaker 1: Walsh's house and Brandon leaves him to finally get some rest,
Speaker 1: and he go walks out the door and he closes
Speaker 1: the light with his hands, so he puts his hand
Speaker 1: on the wall to the light switch, which, for people
Speaker 1: that don't know, we should tell him. When you're doing
Speaker 1: a scene in your lights are supposed to change in
Speaker 1: the room, go out, go on, whatever, and you kind
Speaker 1: of like fake the movement of flipping the switch, but
Speaker 1: you're that that switch does nothing. It's all handled by
Speaker 1: the little lighting guys with their remote controls or whatever.
Speaker 1: So you have to time it, like you have to
Speaker 1: time when your hand goes like that too, when they
Speaker 1: flip the switch and turn the lights on or off.
Speaker 1: I thought that was fun. And then when you're not watching,
Speaker 1: they're not watching, they don't see you flip the switch,
Speaker 1: and then they like you have to go back and
Speaker 1: do it. Sometimes I think in TV shows you guys
Speaker 1: tell me. So the light switch goes off, and again
Speaker 1: it does get dark, but then another sort of light
Speaker 1: comes up magically. Magically, the hallway light came up behind Brandon,
Speaker 1: but he didn't flip that switch. You only flip the switch.
Speaker 1: These are the little things people that I like to
Speaker 1: look for. I also love how they say hey, d
Speaker 1: Hayby almost the whole episode more than normal. Brandon and
Speaker 1: Villain are like, hey, Heyby, did you guys have any
Speaker 1: favorite lines that stood out to you? Specifically, make like
Speaker 1: a tree and leaf? Oh my god, that is my
Speaker 1: favorite joke ever, says why don't you make like a
Speaker 1: tree and leaf? It always makes me think back to
Speaker 1: the future because in Back to the Future, Biff can
Speaker 1: never get into any of those lines. Right, So, you guys,
Speaker 1: make like a tree and get out of here, And
Speaker 1: they're all, it's make like a tree and leave. I
Speaker 1: like when Surge the record producer said that I hip
Speaker 1: you hop I be you. Bob made me happy. But
Speaker 1: the most profound line for me the whole episode was
Speaker 1: um when when David said the thing to Dylan in
Speaker 1: the living room before you know when you can back,
Speaker 1: He said, the problem is you can't run away from
Speaker 1: what's in your head, and no true words have ever
Speaker 1: been spoken. It's true not to take a totally crazy
Speaker 1: left turn. But I thought Donna's dress she wore to
Speaker 1: the funeral was one of the most hepic dresses had,
Speaker 1: like the cutouts up here. Yeah, it was appropriate for
Speaker 1: the funeral, Yeah, but amazing, but away it looked good.
Speaker 1: The bat scene was very poignant, Like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the robe in the episode. Those robes were so Shanil
Speaker 1: robes were super in in the nineties. We all had
Speaker 1: many of them. Icon It was like white with the
Speaker 1: flowers and it's so weird. I don't remember Kelly wearing
Speaker 1: that robe. I remember Donna having that robe, but you
Speaker 1: had one that I had, like blue one. I think
Speaker 1: Kelly wears it multiple times. You've worn it before. That
Speaker 1: was Kels Donna has I thought a blue ish one
Speaker 1: of different. Yeah, definitely one. We'll see it. Probably the
Speaker 1: ropes again. Can we bring those ropes back? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: and sorry, I'm dumping into fashion. The thing on the
Speaker 1: back of the back to sins in your shirt in
Speaker 1: the back. Yeah, like Eclipse, It's like clip should come
Speaker 1: back in just a little clarity because I got a
Speaker 1: little confused. So you know, when they're leaving the house,
Speaker 1: they're leaving Dylan's house, which, by the way, I had
Speaker 1: to look up because it's an Altadina. I wanted to
Speaker 1: refresh my memories, like where is that house? Okay, so, Kelly,
Speaker 1: you're getting in your car and Jim's getting Dylan in
Speaker 1: his like weird Lincoln town car whatever. Who is the
Speaker 1: guy in the other car watching them? Is that guy bad?
Speaker 1: Or was he FBI? Like? That confused me? And who
Speaker 1: was the dude that came in the bathroom. I'm having
Speaker 1: a heart that the FBI guy that came in that
Speaker 1: that he ended up talking to with Christine. I guess
Speaker 1: I started to get still confused. It was a little
Speaker 1: murky and also very weird, like wide. The other question
Speaker 1: that I saw on on the on the instagramm er
Speaker 1: was why did they have to Why did why was
Speaker 1: it so important to Jack to get the money out
Speaker 1: of the trust? If he if what y'all are saying
Speaker 1: is true and he did know that he was going
Speaker 1: to be going into witness protection, Uh, none of it
Speaker 1: makes sense, but a great question. That's a great question.
Speaker 1: None of it do we ask God? I don't know,
Speaker 1: like there's no, there's no because I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to me just because he didn't know
Speaker 1: he was going to get blown up in my mind
Speaker 1: and he doesn't. But the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: he did get blown to Smitherings and correct And I
Speaker 1: think if he by chance was going into witness protection,
Speaker 1: I think he doesn't know it. So why he wants
Speaker 1: the money, I also don't know, but I don't think
Speaker 1: he knows that if he's if by any chance he
Speaker 1: ever went into witness protection, I don't think he knew it.
Speaker 1: And then it was pretty how they went was that
Speaker 1: Alvarado story? And then they're in there and like that
Speaker 1: was It's a very filled episode. It was. It was, well, jeez,
Speaker 1: we covered the crap out of that one people before
Speaker 1: we go, though, could anybody I tried so hard to
Speaker 1: zoom in to see what the gas prices were. I
Speaker 1: was like, I have to know, but my TV apparently doesn't.
Speaker 1: Isn't a touch screen because I couldn't make it get
Speaker 1: bigger hard. I'm like, it looked like a dollar. I
Speaker 1: couldn't see it. I was like, wait, you could look
Speaker 1: up the gas prices and I wanted to see it
Speaker 1: in that scene on the chevron sign. My last really
Speaker 1: would have dated us my last question before we go.
Speaker 1: So did it seem like at one point, okay, so
Speaker 1: Christine says she was going, So my notes say Christine
Speaker 1: was going to resign. Then I tried to figure out
Speaker 1: the gas prices, and then I said, is he listening
Speaker 1: to the nine O two one oh theme in the
Speaker 1: car or something? Like? There was some music and I
Speaker 1: think it was when he was in the car, and
Speaker 1: it seemed like sort of a tweaked version of the
Speaker 1: nine theme. Wow, I didn't even notice it. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: somebody can go back and lit up it just started
Speaker 1: to come on that well, to me, what it was
Speaker 1: is like they couldn't clear music or something, so they
Speaker 1: tweaked the theme that they had the rights to. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I literally was like listening or maybe people
Speaker 1: that made that song like made a little bit of like,
Speaker 1: you know, background music for that team exactly. So these
Speaker 1: are my answered questions. Well, I'm glad we answered some
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, next week we have we haven't. I
Speaker 1: guess it's probably gonna be another heavy episode because you know,
Speaker 1: this is a heavy time on the show. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I can come back, but they
Speaker 1: say it will. Uh. Next week we have they meeting us.
Speaker 1: I guess so, and please let us know how to
Speaker 1: navigate the whole thing. I mean, I guess we'll try
Speaker 1: not to work. How do we know? Some people are
Speaker 1: gonna want it one way, some people want You're never
Speaker 1: going to please everybody. It's happened all right here. I
Speaker 1: want it one way, you guys wanted another way. We
Speaker 1: can't agree, so what the hell. Yeah, we don't know
Speaker 1: what to do. Okay. Next week, Season three, episode twenty three,
Speaker 1: Dukes Bad Boy. Oh, I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: about Gamblin. Finally we're gonna Dukes last episode, right, finally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna get to know what it what's
Speaker 1: been the deal with Brandon's gambling? Maybe? Thank goodness because I,
Speaker 1: for one learning question not excited about that storyline. So
Speaker 1: I'm very happy it's going to end on that note.
Speaker 1: Have a great week, everybody. I love you, guys,