WEBVTT - Feeling for Dylan 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:11.719 It's with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Oh boy, you guys, 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.640 it's another episode of nine or two on OMG. Hello ladies, 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.759 Hi you guys. Oh my gosh. I don't I don't 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:24.599 want to say anything or whisper. People did not thought 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:28.600 it was funny though Amy Amy's referencing last week. She 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:33.199 did a couple of whispering moments, and some of our fans, 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.200 some of our listeners, had a few opinions about it. 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.240 Very Some people love it. Notes like you get from 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.360 a producer, right, remember didn't you get notes? But you 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.320 get to get it from all of the world now. 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:51.400 And I listened. It was painful. I didn't like cry, 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:53.400 but I just was like, oh, it feels like you 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.720 get punched in the stomach. But I listen, and I'm 0:00:55.760 --> 0:01:00.320 gonna talk less and whisper never again. Don't let the people, 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:04.200 don't let people, you know, hold down your light, put 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.280 out your light, and you be you because that's why 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:10.199 we loved you. You can't please everybody. We all know that. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.280 You know what pleased us a lot though, and that's 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:17.119 important as well, because it made a smile. I always 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:26.560 real what pleased me this episode very different episode of nine. Yeah. First, first, first, 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:27.920 I want to I want to just go back for 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.560 a second. I um, after the podcast, I went back 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.399 and I rewatched the episode from last week, the part 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:41.560 specifically to see because, as you all know, I'm watching 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.679 this for the very first time, Tories mostly watching it. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:46.520 I think you're watching all of it for the very 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.000 first time, even though you have a lot better memory 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.280 than I do about a lot of it. But um 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:56.920 so when Jack the car blew up, and then when 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.800 you guys told me that that's not really what happened 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.520 to Jack didn't really die, it really screw me for 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.040 a loop and I had to go back and watch it. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:10.160 So I watched it, and Okay, you're right, Amy, he 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.600 I was wrong. He did not. I did not see 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:18.160 him get into the car, so I don't really know. 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:23.399 But but I don't think that if if a car 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.480 blew up like that, we would see a body or anything. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:32.080 It was so like explosive and so crazy, and I 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.320 don't know. You can't see, you can't like there's nothing 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.040 as a steering wheel. You see a steering wheel, You 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.920 see a lot of flames, steering wheel, you see the 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.320 steering back. I didn't get it. Didn't. It didn't set 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.359 me off like I wasn't like, I don't know, I'm 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.040 gonna but I'm gonna go with I absolutely think that 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.560 Jack McKay died in that explosion. That is how I, 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.360 as a viewer, I am going to interpret it because 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.079 that's how I wanted to be um. Not that I 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.080 wanted him to die, but I you know, I want 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.400 that for the purpose of the story I in for 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.800 what's going on. I don't know, you know, in other 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:09.240 podcasts or interviews or whatever, there have been people saying, 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:14.480 oh that Chuck Rosen r ep um said that he did, 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.000 that he had left it open ended, that he didn't 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.160 have he didn't have any pardon, whether it was coming 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:21.920 back or not, that he had left the show, and 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.200 then different writers took it a different direction. I don't know, 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.840 I don't care. I don't care about it. Chuck Rosen 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:32.560 not there the whole ten years, No, he it it? 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.960 And then who shock over Jena. I don't know. I 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:43.080 can't remember. Was there Eisendraff? Yes, yes, it was. Now 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:47.920 that you say his name, I remember, what's his name? Eisendraff? John? Eisendraff? 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.360 He loved us? Did he not care? For you. I 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:59.080 feel like so much sarcasm coming from Tori me. I 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.320 guess you know what it's best if we wait until 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:06.560 when we'll talk about Okay, I look forward. I have 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.680 something to look forward to because I actually don't know 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:13.160 what you're talking about, but you have a freshwire memory 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.040 and then I will come back to me because that's 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.640 how it works. But I, like I said, it was 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.919 just different, like chucking stuff. From the beginning, it was 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.760 like family, and then it's like detour. Someone came in 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.560 that I didn't know us as well, and it was 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.440 just a different way of of running the ship. Anybody 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:37.600 hard to come yes on this episode? Okay, let's just I. 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:39.800 We'll see our thing first and then we're gonna dive 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.839 in because there's so much to talk about. This is 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.760 season three episode The Child Is Father to the Man, 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:54.280 aired February. Synopsis. After Jack is killed in a mob 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.520 related car bombing, Dylan struggles with his inner self, urging 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.240 him back to old drinking habits before learned the shocking 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.800 truth about his father's parole and true colors from Christine, 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:11.360 who revealed to be f I f I uh one 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:15.400 eye at one eye contacts not working, uh, After Jack 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.800 is killed in a mob related car bombing, Dylan struggles 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.040 with his inner self, urging him back to old drinking 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.880 habits before he learns the shocking truth about his father's 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.279 parole and true colors from Christine, who's revealed to be 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.080 FBI agent. Meanwhile, Kelly continues to be obsessed with losing 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.640 weight and against starving herself while she becomes uncomfortable. When 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.640 Jim asked Dylan to stay at the wallsh House for 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.600 a while to avoid reporters following his every move, Steve 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.320 turns down, giving any more recording advice to David, who 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.960 struggles with meaning with Curtis Bray and Surge men can 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.240 for a for a recording session on the day of 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.919 Jack McKay's funeral. Also, Brandon's losing street continues as his 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:59.599 betting continues. A lot a lot of synopsis there. This 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:04.800 was just good TV, playing and simple. This was um 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.240 my favorite episode so far of the three seasons that 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:12.560 we've seen. I feel like seasons that's a big state. Yeah, 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.960 this was it. Starting with the right out of the 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:20.160 gate with with the dream slash nightmare and then the 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.159 line from what what is you know? The alter ego 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.000 or whoever it is that the other Dylan in the 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.479 squences where he says Jack's dead, we might as well 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.440 be just sets up the whole episode for me and 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:40.840 was like goose bumps because that statement couldn't be truer. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:45.279 Like when you lose someone that's that you're that close with, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.480 that's how you feel like they're dead. I might as 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:53.119 well be dead too. The writing was really on point. 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.440 Like the writing, the direction, it was a little less 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.920 nine o two, A knowe just felt like a real 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.520 kind of it was much lack of a better word, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.159 arts here, you know what I mean. It was it 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.919 told the story just so much more profoundly. Whether it 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.640 was through the like what they did with the camera 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.520 or that, I don't know. I gotta give it to 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.800 Luke though this was last year. Last week we were like, 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.400 I don't know about that performance of the car blowing 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:21.920 up thing. I don't know if it was anywhere like 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:28.240 this was emmy worthy. I agreeing, And it's a travesty 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.600 that that was not recognized that he did not get 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.960 any kind of credit for that. I put in my notes, 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.400 I'm so curious what you guys would respond to this, 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.800 I said, is this when Luke became the star of 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.760 this show. And I think that when this is when 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.240 Luke became a star, Like he was already a star, 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:48.000 but this was when people realized the depth of his 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:53.000 ability to bring you to just your knees with emotion, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:58.400 like wow. But the whole thing, this whole dad dying storyline, 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.640 just has me so like rocked really honestly, I mean 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:06.640 feeling low and too pressed and like I'm like, why 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.280 would Beverly Hills No. No. Two one O take us 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.920 down this road? Because it's so traumatic and so dramatic 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.960 and it brings up terrible feelings, especially for people who 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.360 have lost somebody in their lives, like their father, Like whoa, 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:25.200 it's hard to watch, Yeah, and we forget sometimes I 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.440 think it's like it's Luke Perry, it's still and like 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.120 we forget he's just a teen boy, like having to 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.200 do that because he's such a superstar, right, I mean 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.679 it's awful, right, Like from that scene where he's on 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.600 the phone and Kelly's there and she doesn't know how 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.400 to be with him or what to say or how 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.200 to comfort him, and it's just awful because he's dealing 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:50.160 with all of this essentially alone, and he's not equipped. 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:54.320 Neither of them are equipped to um navigate this. They 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.840 they're not They shouldn't be their teenagers. I like to 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.280 that out even as adults. That is like going to 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.440 the funeral that was so relatable to me because it 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.319 was like, have you before that? Have you called him? 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.080 Like I don't know relatable to be like I don't 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.319 know what to say as an adult with kids of 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.439 my own when someone loses someone, I still don't know 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.920 what to say because there is no there's nothing. And 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.440 I remember when I lost my dad, Like people say, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.000 I don't know what to say, and I kept reminding 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.360 them it's okay not to know what you say, because 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.920 it's a feeling like only you know. It's great that 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.920 people express their sorrow and sorry for your loss, but 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.839 it doesn't really matter because nothing takes it away, like 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.480 only you have that you know, and you to grieve 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.880 as long as you want and usually it's forever changes 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:47.240 to wow, whoa jan forever? And it changed. That's what 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.080 I said last week, like this is changing everything. I 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:51.800 don't know how the show can come back from this. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.600 I don't know how the character of Dylan can ever 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.959 have fun and go to the beach and be surfing 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.840 again and hang out with the bu It's like it's 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:05.680 always going to be this just like underlying current for him, 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.560 as it would be in real life. And it's just like, 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.640 I don't understand why they went this direction, Like it 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:16.280 just kind of upsets me, honestly. Mm hmmm. I mean 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.200 I don't know why. But I think it's interesting that 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.120 you said this is your favorite episode of all the 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.040 three seasons. So as much as you're like, why did 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.679 they go this way? It was still good. Maybe you 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.280 answered your own question because I also think it's one 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:31.319 of the best episodes so far, definitely, And I think 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.640 you could argue it's one of the best episodes of 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.640 the ten years. Yeah. I mean, they weren't making a 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:42.400 lot of TV like this in honestly, they weren't giving 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:48.599 young actors the opportunity to explore this territory and to 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.440 you know, do this kind of acting. And I thought 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:57.360 it was so fascinating how he brilliantly played both the 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:03.040 younger version of himself and the high school Dylan because 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.360 they looked different even like the way he did it, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.720 I was like, oh my god, Like I literally wrote 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.840 down the high school versions like a babe, even though 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.640 he was emotional and crying. The younger version physically was 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:18.760 completely different, even though it was Luke Perry at the 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:22.760 same exact dight. And it was interesting to like watching 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.839 it and having loved Luke so much and been so 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.880 close to him, I've seen all those parts of Luke 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:35.880 in different very certain you know, situations and conversations and 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.960 settings like those. It's so fascinating how that's all in 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:45.360 somebody like that anger and that at all those things 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:49.400 that he was was playing with or in that. I 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.160 don't want to get it wrong, but I'm fairly certain 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:56.000 that in an original version of this, that young actor 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.720 that comes on at the end was actually supposed to 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:03.240 play the young Luke throughout the episode, and that Luke 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:08.240 Perry went and asked and said, these this, these lines 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.960 are amazing. Can I can I play both? And I 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.480 don't want to get it wrong, but that's what I 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:17.200 read and how I interpreted it. Well. I think that 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.800 was a good call. I agree this was his best episode, 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.199 probably one of the best things I've ever seen him. 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.440 And I mean, I think he was brilliant in Riverdale too, 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:29.680 but that's a different conversation. I never watched that, but 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.120 I know that this was. This is a fan favorite 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.200 for for so many people. People love the last episode, 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.640 but people really love this episode, and everybody is like, 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:43.320 my heartbroke. This was heartbreaking. This episode from beginning to 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:47.560 end was agonizing. It was hard to watch, but that's 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.160 what was so great about it. Yeah, I thought, now 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:55.120 even harder to watch because just having lost Luke and 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:59.120 dealing with his death. Oh, I can't even get into it, 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.280 but I I, for one um, I was watching this 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.160 in my living room a few hours ago, and for 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.680 some reason, my house is rarely quiet, I'm rarely home alone. 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:13.440 Everyone magically left the house as I was watching it. 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.160 And when we got to the end and you see 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.720 you know Luke, you see Dylan with the I just 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:26.280 have WHOA, I have major breakdown and just like right 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:30.040 back to that feeling of losing him. I'm so sorry. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.040 I can only imagine because this is the first episode 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.120 for me where I thought about it a number of 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.560 times during the episode, So I can only imagine for 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.960 you both and not just me, like everybody felt felt it. 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:45.559 I'm sure that we watched it and you know, his 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.000 beautiful children, like I hope they never watched it because 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:54.200 it's just like too much, just too much. Yeah, I 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.480 don't know if I've heard anyone bring that up though, 0:13:56.600 --> 0:14:02.080 that's so true, like the fact that Luke is speaking 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.200 to his inner self, his younger self, talking about his 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.440 dad's death and how death affects you forever, Like I 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:12.120 don't have you amy heard other fans talk about it 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.600 gets so right on with Jen's saying like it takes 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.320 all of us back to the moment like when we 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.600 lost Low. Yeah, I'd say, what's so interesting about it 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:23.240 is I was completely immersed in the episode while simultaneously 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.360 being so devastated that he's not here anymore. It was 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:32.800 really the first time where that was so glaring. Mm hmmm. 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.800 It's interesting, and just the whole episode is really his 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:42.320 because even Brian Austin Green, who who I thought his 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:46.840 storyline was so dumb, Yeah, stop telling him this dumb stuff. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:51.240 And then what a powerful moment they have in that scene. Yeah, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.640 I mean I felt bad for him when he in 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:58.320 the bathroom and sorry Dylan kind of you know, well 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.320 not kind of. He really does just blow him off 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:06.160 and says whatever, and and but that didn't make David stop, 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.440 which I loved about him. He still couldn't get there 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.120 his recording session, and he still somehow made it to 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.400 the Walsh's house to pay his respects, and he walks 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.720 in at that pivotal moment, right when Dylan didn't have 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:22.120 the body to help him and he needed that friend 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:26.480 to just intervene, and magically David was there and he 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.120 had all the right things to say, And yes, that 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:33.360 was really a beautiful scene and probably also some of 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.640 Brian Auston Green's best work, Like everybody was at their 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:42.680 ut most because Brenda was Shannon was amazing in this episode, 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.680 Like I'm still Kelly, but but I I think maybe 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.040 they should have gotten back together. In this episode, I 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.480 felt the same way, Like I I feel the same way. 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.160 I was, like, I'm so impressed with the way Brenda 0:15:56.440 --> 0:16:01.440 is dealing with this all and just the depth of 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:06.440 her character. I felt it, and I wanted them to hug. 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.960 I wanted them to get back together because that scene 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.720 where Dylan was in the bathroom and he's trying to 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:17.360 put on his tie and he couldn't keep it together, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:22.640 and she was so stoic and so strong for him, 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.760 because I don't I don't know why. That's just how 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.680 she chose to play it, and but it worked. But 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.920 I just really wanted them to embrace in her, to 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.760 want them to like and not in like a Kado 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.880 never thought like a kiss thing is appropriate, especially even 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.640 when Kelly kissed him in the beginning, like I don't 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.960 like that, you know, like she didn't in that moment. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.960 Kelly didn't know do I hug him, do I kiss him? 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:49.840 How do I come from him? What would make him? 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.280 I don't know. But I didn't feel like a kiss 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.960 would have been right for Brenda. In that moment with Dylan, 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.080 I felt like the hug, like the friendship, that deep 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:14.960 connection that they had. Yeah, I felt every single person 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.280 played their character to the utmost. And we can talk 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.960 about both of you because it's true for both of you. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.080 Jenny will get to you because yours was a little 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:29.679 more complicated tory for you. That scene with David and 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.040 with Kelly, where once again Donna is always in the middle, 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.280 in the middle and stays so strong on what is right, 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.680 what is the right thing to do? Donna like really 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.000 never the whole time. I wish she had chosen a 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.000 few more levels. But yeah, no, I thought it was 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.120 so great when you're passionate about you. It was like 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:53.679 I was like, okay taking out like I thought, she 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.320 was like right on saying David like you don't need 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.679 to go to your recording session today, and Kelly, you 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:01.600 need to get dressed, you need to be there. This 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.439 is the right thing. I just she is the moral 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:09.640 compass for this group always. Well, it's very rare that, 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.560 like it's this episode. I don't think we mentioned it 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.480 was written by Darren Starr, Karen Rosen, and Chuck Rosen, 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.360 So it was our creator and our two show runners. 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.000 And I think have you ever said, have they ever 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.560 written an episode just the three of them together? I 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.919 don't know if we've had that, but a lot of times, 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.000 like the I thought the writing was so good in 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:35.320 this episode, and I feel like those three powerhouses writing 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.679 a complete episode is like I feel like it was 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.200 such an important episode. They were like, no, we're not 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.560 gonna have like staff writers writed and then we'll weigh in, 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.560 we want to write this one. But also, um James 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.479 Whitmore Jr. Who was one of our favorite directors. I 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.639 wonder if, like I can't remember because we had a 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.639 lot of directors who were like, hey, you guys know 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.000 your stuff. We'll just kind of stand back and direct 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:55.800 the scenes. But you you choose what you do for 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.159 your characters. And we had some directors who wanted to 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.280 get there, you know, their stamp in there. So I 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.280 can't remember what he was like, do you remember? But 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.520 I have an inkling that he was a little bit 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:10.320 more involved in the acting in theat have to be. 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.480 How could Luke, I mean, the most brilliant actor would 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:19.040 need something to play two characters at the exact same 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:24.959 time in scenes opposite themselves. Like who stood in for 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.119 Luke when he was being do you know what I mean? Like, 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.840 he's obviously got to be standon Greg Stan who was 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:37.359 in the opening when he's when he's surfing, that's his 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.040 stand in. Oh no, what was the air date again 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:41.679 of this episode? I mean obviously we talked about it 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:46.359 last week. It's Sweeps. Yeah, it's like the middle of 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.840 Sweeps in the nineties, which was just the biggest deal. 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:54.720 I'm sure Fox promoted this these episodes every day leading 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.960 up to it, as they should have. Yeah, I mean 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:02.080 you're right though, that everybody out a good um, Like 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:06.359 usually there's an a storyline to be storyline, but this 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.119 was like the a storyline and everybody was involved in 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.000 it and I like that. Well, and Jenny, let's talk 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:17.080 about you, because playing Kelly or being Kelly in this 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:21.560 episode is so challenging. As she's navigating trying to be 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:23.560 there for him, she's the only one at the house. 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.480 She's dealing with that paparazzi and press or whatever they were, 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:30.439 and Jim, who you have to be respectful of because 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:34.040 he's a father and an adult, coming in and literally 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.640 stabbing you in your heart basically by saying like we're 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.280 gonna take you son, and you're gonna come home with us, 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.080 which was the right thing for Dylan to do, but 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.879 you've got this tension with Brenda and like that's the 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.600 ex girlfriend. I mean, what a mess for Kelly, even 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.399 though I understand it was about Dylan, but still it 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:55.600 was so painful. Yeah, she didn't know what to do 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:59.600 or I mean, you we see her sort of struggling 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.760 with her eating disorder in this one, and she's you know, 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:09.520 nervous eating binging chips. Yeah, because she doesn't know how 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.320 to handle things, and um, I felt like that was 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:16.440 just her really giving into her own self doubt and 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.440 her own insecurities like that are so deep within her, 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.760 you know that it inhibits her from being outside of 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.080 herself enough to help Dylan in in those moments when 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.120 he needed it. So it was definitely the right call 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:33.119 for for Dylan to go to the Wallshes, for him 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:38.160 to have that um family presence and like that support. 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.399 And of course she felt like you know, on the 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.920 outs because she wasn't there. I mean, she could have 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.719 had him come to her house, and I'm sure her 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.040 mom would have loved, you know, to support him that 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.080 way too. But it was right that he went to 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.840 the to the Wallsh's house and that Cindy you know, 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:59.119 through the wake for him. And then you have that 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.880 great scene with it's Kelly and Christine and Brenda comes up, 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.520 you know, really putting everything aside both of them and 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:12.360 saying you remember how to get there, and it's like wow, 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:18.119 this everybody's just in pain and trying to navigate it 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:20.640 and their teenagers and then trying to do the right thing. 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:30.600 The episode felt very soapy to me, but also very real, 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:34.000 like I was like, I'm in hook Line and Sinker 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:38.200 and everything happening here, even though it's taken them more 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:44.640 of a dynasty turn. It didn't. It didn't feel dynasty 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:49.680 to me. It didn't feel like it's unbelievable because of 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:54.640 the acting from everybody. Honestly, it didn't ever feel like 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.879 unrealistic to me or it felt so. As an actor. 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.399 In order to put upon that kind of an emotional 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:08.639 you know, depth, you have to have seen some in 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.359 your life. You've had to go through some stuff to 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.720 pull on that stuff. And you know, Luke had dealt 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:19.440 with stuff with his own upbringing, and there you could 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:23.080 just see he was pulling from such such a deep well. 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.200 And I felt like everybody was respectful of that and 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:30.080 sort of conscious of that and working around what he 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:33.320 was doing with his story. And that's how it would 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:36.440 be if if this character's father had died and nobody 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.000 knew how to handle it, even when he's trying to 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:44.240 reach Iris. I thought, God, this is so he's amazing. 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:59.639 He was amazing. What did you guys think of the 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:05.359 red elation that? But what I was wrote what he 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:09.800 sees FBI had not that coming. First of all, she 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.560 looked great as an FBI agent. I was like, of course, 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:15.680 it makes such sense, like she's such, she's perfect for that, 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:19.399 but I didn't not because we knew what was coming. 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:24.320 We expected, but I didn't know I thought anything like 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:28.359 that would be the case. Now, I thought he was 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:32.040