1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Hello Texas, and welcome. It's the show that takes you 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: inside NRG Stadium. Mark Vandermer with you in the Hyunday 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Texans Radio studio with John Harris, and it's Thursday night 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: and the tradition continues, a tradition unlike any other. The 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: General John McLean from the Houston Chronicle joining us on 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: Texans Radio on Thursday nights. It's like death in Texas. 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: Set your watch to it. Here he is again. Good evening, General, 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: How's it going a lot better since I got the 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: power back in electricity. I will never ever take it 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: for granted again. John. I mean, you've lived here for 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: a few years, in Houston and in Texas, and your 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: youth in Waco and all of it. So tell me, 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: have you ever experienced anything like this week? When I 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: was growing up in Waco, we used to have a 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: lot of ice in the winter. I got stuck one 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: time in a parking lot at a movie theater because 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: they didn't give us any warning. Another time I get 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: stuck in a parking lot of a mall. Same raison. 19 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: But today, of course, we got plenty of warning this week. 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: But I've never seen anything like what's happened It's like 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: Texas got caught with his pants down, and I'm assuming 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: a lot of heads are going to roll because of it. 23 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: And I feel bad for everybody who doesn't have water, 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: everybody who went without electricity. We did for about two 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: and a half days, and I just felt bad for everybody. 26 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: Hopefully they will our government and our people that supply 27 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: their power get their act together, and if we have 28 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: to go through this again, it won't call so many 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: people to not have power one time and think it 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: was eighty nine. I got up and my pipes were froze, 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: but I had not done anything ahead of time to 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: prepare for it, like let the foss drip. That's the 33 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: only other time I've ever experienced anything like this. This 34 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: is a storm, and this goes for both of you guys. 35 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: But I can't remember a time when every single person 36 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: that I know, which obviously is a a very small 37 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: cross section of people in the Houston area. But I 38 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: don't know if there's a person out there that can say, yeah, 39 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: we never lost power in this whole thing. My family 40 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: throughout Harvey in twenty seventeen didn't lose power one time. 41 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: My whole neighborhood never lost it one time, and all 42 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: of a sudden we get snowmaged in twenty twenty one 43 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: and everybody I know lost at least power. And I 44 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: have no idea about the water. And of course I'll 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: ask you the question Mark asked me, will put it 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: in NFL terms general Last night, Mark asked me power, water, internet, 47 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: roof over your house what each one of those were? 48 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: And I said, my number one draft pick would be water. 49 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: That would be my left tackle, and that power would 50 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: be my edge rusher, and my quarterback would be the 51 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: roof over my head. How would you draft those four 52 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: interesting and yet needed elements in your life? Well, that's 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: a little deep for me to have to think about 54 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: that for all terms. But I'll say this. You know 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: you can. You can dress warmly like I slept sitting 56 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: up in a chair wearing my ski jacket and gloves 57 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: and a cap pulled down over my ears, plus a hoodie. 58 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: But it's the water to me that you have to have, 59 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: And just because you know you don't want it, it's 60 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: just too much trouble to have to fill up your 61 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: toilet with bathwater plush the toilet. So give me water 62 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: any day of the week. Yeah, Well, said, I mean, 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: the weird thing with no power. Though after after a 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: couple of days, it gets into your head and it's 65 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: just I can't think clearly anymore. It's just very strange 66 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: how it goes. But we don't have to be labor 67 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: the point here. Let's hope everybody is as safest. I 68 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: read two books. You know, we think about how easy 69 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: we have it not having my internet. I had a 70 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: hot spot I could fix with my iPhone, but it 71 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: didn't work at the house, so I'd have to go 72 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: out into the car and I did talk shows in 73 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: the car, and it actually felt good because I could 74 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: be warm. I think I used about a tank of 75 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: gas just sitting there doing talk shows and having this hotspot. 76 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: The thin stories to the chronicle, but it people are 77 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: so helping, and I so jealous follows people. I'd actually 78 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: drove around my neighborhood one night and I would see 79 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: four or five houses with lights on generators, and man, 80 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: oh man, I think how much money they spent, how 81 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: long they waited to use them. But it was worth it. 82 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, what a luxury. I love electricity. 83 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: This just didn't breaking news. So General Carson wentz to 84 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: the Colts. Your thoughts on that deal, Let's start there, 85 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: because it definitely affects the Houston Texans being in the 86 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: AFC South and being the nemesis of Houston. Philip Rivers 87 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: played really well last year for the Colts and then 88 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: he surprised everybody when he retired. Carson Wentz has not 89 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: played well in a while. He seemed to have issue 90 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: is when they drafted Jalen Hurts from Channel of View 91 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma in the second round and he didn't adjust 92 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: well to it. So if Frank Wright got in for 93 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: a three and a two and the two could be 94 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: a one based on what he does, and everybody thinks 95 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: if anybody can take care of his career and try 96 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: to get him back on the right track, it would 97 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: be Frank Wright. And so as someone who covers the 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: Texans in the AFC sounth if I'm Taxons fans, I 99 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: would rather see Carson Wentz with the Colts based on 100 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: how he's played racently than Philip Rivers, who played very 101 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: well and they went eleven and five. John, This might 102 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: sound like a weird question, especially after making a deal 103 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: for a Carson Wentz, a guy you feel like it 104 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: is going to be your future. The Colts did draft 105 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 1: Jacob Easton last year, I don't think he's very good. 106 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: Do you think the Colts could possibly look at a 107 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: quarterback at some point in this draft, and maybe even 108 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: at number twenty one? I would think the only one 109 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: at that point of hill would be Mac Jones from 110 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: out of Alabama. Do you think Indianapolis would do something 111 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: like that, Well, absolutely not. I don't think Chris Ballard, 112 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: the GM is very smart, would make a deal for 113 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz if they didn't plan on him being starting 114 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: quarterback next season. Therefore, they would use that on something else. 115 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: And I'll bet you right now he trades out of 116 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: the first round to get back those pigs because nobody 117 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: likes to trade down like and compile a lot of 118 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: pigs like Chris Ballard does. But I think they're set. 119 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: If they thought Jacob Eeson was the answer, they never 120 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: would have made that deal for Carson Wins. Which confirms 121 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: my thought Jacobeeson, and also confirms the thought general on 122 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: the fact that Chris Ballard ruins a good draft party 123 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: better than anybody in the entire league. Because he's always 124 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: trading out of the first round. He does and One 125 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: of the things I like about Chris Ballard, one of 126 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: the many things because he used to live here when 127 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: he was scouting for the Bears before he went to 128 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: in the city, is he will meet with the media 129 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: and explain to them everything he did, let them ask 130 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: questions because he likes for them to say be accurate 131 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: and have an idea of what they did. As one 132 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: of the reasons they like him so much, and he 133 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: gets such great publicity when he explains his thinking. So 134 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: if at some point he's going I don't mean just 135 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: as a Zoom call. I'm talking about now since we 136 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: were on Zoom's last year, But what he usually does 137 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: he invites the media over there for a special session, 138 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: sits down with him, goes over everything on tape, and 139 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: then lets them ask questions. And I'm sure they got 140 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: a lot of questions. When the time comes about Carson 141 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: Wentz and if he trades out of the first round 142 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: for more picks, I think he'd be more surprising if 143 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: he stayed in the first round and take them to 144 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: the player as opposed to trading out their nia left tackle, 145 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: because his fans are retired and they've done a great 146 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: job with their offensive line but that seems to be 147 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: their primary need, and they also have It's interesting t 148 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: Y Hilton's a free agent, though, is Zach Pascal. Both 149 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: those guys made some big plays against Jackson's so they 150 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: do have needs, but none is more important than that 151 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: left tackle to help protect Carson Wentz, who had more 152 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: turnovers day quarterback and you go sack morning quarterback. I 153 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: believe wow. I thought we were the ones who ruined 154 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: draft parties because three out of four years no first 155 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: round draft party. Well, we're at least able to plan 156 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: for it, though, Mark they have a first round or 157 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: going to the first night, and then all of a sudden, 158 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, sorry, guys, we traded out of the 159 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: pick three times the night we had the second and 160 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: third round, Well it was really third round picks the 161 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: night they took justin read Martinez ranking and also Jordan Thomas. 162 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: That was actually a pretty cool draft party on a 163 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: Friday night. But maybe we do something like that again. 164 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: Who knows? Covid last year obviously no draft party. General. 165 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about Deshaun Watson and all 166 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: the talk around the national media, fans and players too. 167 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: I heard Kareem Jackson say some things. I'm thinking, isn't 168 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: some of this tampering after some time? I mean, I 169 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: think that, of course the media can have a free 170 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: for all about anything they want, But when the players 171 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: start weighing in, it just feels wrong, and I think 172 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: that it's so out there. This narrative is so out 173 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: there it's hard to keep it containing. Guys, just feel 174 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: free to comment. But aren't they not supposed to comment 175 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: on other teams players, as if to lure them to 176 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: play for their team. You're not supposed to, but they do. 177 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: You know, I've done one Denver show today, I've got 178 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: another one later today and one tomorrow, all trying to 179 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: find a way for me to tell them they can 180 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: get to Seawn Watson at number nine. Said, Guys, when 181 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: Kareem wakes up from that dream and realizes just dreaming 182 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: a nightmare, there's no way to Seaun Watson's coming to Denver. 183 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: Even if they do decide to trade him, They're not 184 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: taking Drew Lock. It doesn't matter what kind of great 185 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: they be he had as a starter against them. If 186 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: he was that good, the Broncos wouldn't be looking to 187 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: get rid of him. So I do this all the time. Now, 188 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm doing it because of what everybody's calling him than 189 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: JJ White wants to come here, and so I'm trying 190 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: to tell with what it could be anybody as long 191 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: as your team is a contender. And I tell him, 192 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: I say, my leading candidates would be Tennessee and then 193 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: also others would be Green Bay. Pittsburgh would be a 194 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: great story for the family, but they don't need a 195 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: defensive lineman. They got camp issues. They need offensive players. 196 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: So as much as it would be great for the 197 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: White family, I don't see him going there because he 198 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: might have to take the minimum at this point, JJ 199 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: Wat's not taking the minimum. General, whenever you are on 200 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: Sports three to six ten, I always make it a 201 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: point to listen, no matter what I've got going on. 202 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: And a few days ago, maybe in the end of 203 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: the last week, I think it was, and you were 204 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: asked about will Fuller. I got asked this question today 205 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: down at Jacksonville. It's caught off guard by it, actually. 206 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: And when you were asked about will Fuller, you said 207 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: they franchise him, they try and keep him. Do you 208 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: think that's the case. What do you think the Texas 209 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: do with Will Fuller? Who is coming up on unrestricted 210 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: free agent status, I think they try to sign him 211 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: or they franchise him. If they let him walk, they 212 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: get a third round compensed story pick if he stayed healthy. 213 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: People think sometimes you lose a good player and automatically 214 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: you're going to get a three. You know, there's a 215 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: complicated formula and what he does plays a big role 216 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: and adds if you don't sign more guys than you 217 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: let go, like DJ Reader. If DJ hadn't been hurt 218 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: then and they didn't sign guys, they would have gotten 219 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: a high pick for him. So I think if you 220 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: were to let Fuller go, and I wrote about this 221 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: for the series and Aaron Wilson and I are doing 222 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: for a Texas Sports Nation in the Chronicle, and I'm 223 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: working right now on the wide receivers. And if you 224 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: think about this, say they let Fuller go, then they 225 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: have Brandon Cooks and brand and Cooks and it will 226 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: come and need I don't have a first or second 227 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: round pick. It's a deep receiver draft. It is the 228 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: deepest free agent class I've ever seen. Keep an eye 229 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: on the Mere Bird from the Patriots because when Nickossario 230 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: running the show and Jack Easter be working closely with 231 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: him and those guys coming from New England. Every time 232 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm seeing what productive Patriot player is out there. 233 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: And Bird was a pretty good player that you could 234 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: probably get for pretty cheap. But to me, based on 235 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: what Fuller has done when healthy or not suspended, you've 236 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: got to keep it. But you know, when you have 237 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: a new regime coming in, they may want to let 238 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: him go. They may. The fact is we don't know 239 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: what to expect from Nick Cassario and David Culley because 240 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: they're new on the job. This time next year, we'll 241 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: have much better idea of how they operate when it 242 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: comes to free agency and the draft. John, with the 243 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: departure of Watt and the fact that Lovey is coming 244 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: into coach the defense, do you look at this and 245 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: I guess it was going to happen anyway. It could 246 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: have happened anyway. A complete overhaul of the front seven. 247 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you see that shaping up with 248 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: Lovey maybe four to three and however else they set 249 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: it up. And I know there's sub packages and everything. 250 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that front seven? Yeah, first 251 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: of all, not counting quarterback, all they need on offense, 252 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: they need a running back and they probably need a 253 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: right guard. And you don't know what James camp in 254 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: the new line coach will think about all the players, 255 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: but he's got a lot of them to pick from, 256 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully he likes the guys they have, 257 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: and then they got to get a running back. And 258 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: if you don't have first and second round pick, as 259 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: you know that it's a good position to not take 260 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: in the first, first, second round. But as far as 261 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: a defense, you know, Lovey Smith has always played a 262 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: four man front. Tampa to get after him with the 263 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: pass rushers and have a middle linebacker can drop deep 264 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: into coverage, and they have some difficult decisions to make 265 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: on defense. Why would love playing for Lovey Smith? But 266 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: JJ didn't want to go through a rebuild, and I 267 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: don't blame him, so he asked to be released and 268 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: they did. Now he's so happy because he can go 269 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: where he wants, where he gets offers, and he has 270 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: he will have multiple offers. But when you play a 271 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: four man front as first time they've done it since 272 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: two ten when Wade Phillips came to the next year, 273 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: and even though they started four man front seven games 274 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: this year out of necessity, try to stop the run. 275 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: You know, Charles Manny who ross Blacklock. I think Blacklock 276 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: will be better off playing in this team that Lovey 277 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: Smith has played. Assumed me love He's gonna play what 278 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: he used to now. He's been in college football at 279 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: Illinois for quite a while. But I'm guessing he's gonna 280 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: go with what helped him go to the Super Bowl 281 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: as a defensive coordinator and go to the Super Bowl 282 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: as a head coach. So it's gonna be fun. Like 283 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan Garnard, he'll be a defensive end. He's not an 284 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: outside linebacker in a four three, So you would have 285 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: Grenard going into the second year, black Clock, second year, 286 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: amnt wo, third year. I would think he can benefit 287 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: from this scheme. You don't know how PJ. Hall would 288 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: fit in. He'd have to be resigned and Brandon Dunne, 289 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: but I would think it would start up front. I 290 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: don't think they need a lot of linebackers, but they 291 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: have tough decisions to make on the inside, especially if 292 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: you're playing at four to three. But the biggest position 293 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: next to the line, of course, is corners. They need 294 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: some corners and the opposite of the wide receivers. It 295 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: is not a great free agent class, and it's not 296 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: a good draft class. It's a complete opposite of the 297 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: receivers from that standpoint general, the news came out, I 298 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: think it was earlier today actually, that the salary cap 299 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty one will be one hundred and eighty 300 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: million at a minimum. How much good news do you 301 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: think that was for NFL teams to at least see 302 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: that we had heard one hundred and seventy five that 303 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: was kind of worst case, but now it's a minimum 304 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: of one hundred and eighty Where do you think that 305 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: leaves the Texans from a salary cap standpoint? You start 306 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: talking about the defense, there are some decisions they may 307 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: have to make financially on some of those guys on 308 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: the defense. But how much good news was it to 309 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: hear one hundred and eighty million at a minimum is 310 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: supposed to one hundred and seventy five. We thought maybe 311 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: going into last year, well, we've known that for weeks 312 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: it was going to be at least one hundred and 313 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: eighty and it'll probably be at least one hundred and 314 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: eighty five. One of the things they're trying to do, 315 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: they made a lot of money in broadcasts, even though 316 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: they didn't make as much money not having home games, 317 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: of course, but especially these new network deals get done. 318 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: The ESPN deal expires after next season, and then the 319 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: rest of them fire after twenty twenty two. They've been 320 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: negotiating heavily intensively on all of them, trying to get 321 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: them done this offseason. Would like to get them done 322 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: before the start of the league year on March seventeenth, 323 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: so they could elevate the cab more. The union doesn't 324 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: want a lot of players being cut, especially veterans, and 325 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: especially the middle class. You know, the expensive guys will 326 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: always make their money. The young, cheap guys will make 327 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: their money because they're young and cheap. So the union 328 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: doesn't want all of a sudden teams cutting all these 329 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: guys who are five, six, seven, eight year veterans. So 330 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: they're working hard with the league and I don't think 331 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: teams want to do that either. And you don't want, 332 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: you know, five hundred veteran players out there on the 333 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: market and a lot of teams not having money to 334 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: get them. So I've been working off one hundred and 335 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: eighty five million, and that would put the Texans twelve 336 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: point one million under the cap. Necessario has some decisions 337 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: on not just saving money by getting rid of some players, 338 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: but also eating some money, and that's what you do 339 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: when you come in new I'm really excited to see 340 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: what Cassario does. You know, there's no generalman and there 341 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: was no personnel director more deserving of a GM job 342 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: because Sarrio six Super Bowl rings and twenty years with 343 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: the Patriots in the last thirteen is Bill Belichick's righting men. 344 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: So I think that would be so exciting to watch 345 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: him work because men on men, as you guys know, 346 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: he has got his work cut out. And one of 347 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:24,959 Speaker 1: the things I'm hoping Sario and Coley and Tim Kelly 348 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: at some point before the draft could meet with Deshaun 349 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: Watson and agent David Bull together those some distancing in 350 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: which Watson lays it out exactly why he wants to 351 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: be traded, and then have those three layout for him 352 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,239 Speaker 1: exactly what their plan is to rebuild this team and 353 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: get them back into playoff contention. And if they can 354 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: spell it out to him and he can spell it 355 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: out to them, and then after they hear it from 356 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: each other, because you can't beat one on one communication. 357 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: Then that's when they would have to make a decision 358 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: does he come back, if not, does he dig in 359 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: for the long haul. They've got to sign another quarterback 360 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: besides Josh McCown because that guy could be starting number 361 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: one all through the off season program, fran camp, preseason, 362 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: maybe in the regular season. So that's something that you know, 363 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: we all hope they get worked out because nobody wants 364 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: to see Watson trade it now. And the funny thing 365 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: about McCown is last year, I would have loved to 366 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: see him take maybe one snap, like a kneel down, 367 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: just so we could say that a guy from the 368 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: quarterback class of David Carr actually played for the Texans 369 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty played, took a snap and took a 370 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: knee or whatever. I think that would have been kind 371 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: of cool, but that would have been just ceremonial of course. General. 372 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: Let me tell you something else where I talk about 373 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: mccam But even though the Texans, counting their neckcessary on 374 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: David Culley say that the Shaun Watson will be a 375 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: Texan next season, everybody helps that's true. But just in 376 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: case that time comes that they do decide to t 377 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: him and I've thought all along that should start with 378 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: the Jets, who have the second pick. I was told 379 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: by people who worked for the Jets and people who 380 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: cover the Jets. Sam Darnel had his best seasons working 381 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: with Josh McCown because McCown was like another coach for him, 382 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: and when McCown left, Darnel's been hurt, he's been inconsistent. 383 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: So I thought, Okay, if you're going to take say 384 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: there are two number ones this year, there are two 385 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: number ones next year, pro and Josh McCown, let him 386 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: play till the second overall pick is ready and then 387 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: trade him for a pick. But I'm sure he would 388 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: love to be reunited with McCown because people with the Jets, 389 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: as well as other teams, but especially the Jets, just 390 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: swear by Josh McCown, not so much as a quarterback anymore, 391 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: but the influence he has on his teammates. And that's 392 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: why everybody says he's going to be a good coach 393 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: when the time comes for him to start that next 394 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: part of his career. Well, not that I would even 395 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: want to entertain that kind of talk with the Jets, 396 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: but if I were to entertain it, and you were 397 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: to do something, I gotta take a quarterback number two overall. 398 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: I can't put my money in the darn Old bank, 399 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: even though it's got to be the second overall big 400 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson of the BYU. Yeah, that's what you would 401 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: do if and that's an f and I don't want 402 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: to even go there. No, John, tell me about Tennessee 403 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: and what they're thinking right now this offseason. Are they thinking, Gee, 404 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: if we just get this defense going, we Our offense 405 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: is fine, we can contend. We just need a better defense. 406 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: We maybe signed Watt, who knows what they do, But 407 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: is that the mindset in Nashville this offseason. Absolutely? The 408 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: general manager John Robinson mentioned in a zoom called with 409 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: the media last week they've been in contact with Wat, 410 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: meeting Tom Condon, his agent. Tom Condon lives in Nashville 411 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: and why of course, very familiar with the city. Amy 412 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: Adams Trunk was the first owner be Signs of mc 413 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: nair's to give him money for his Hurricane Rty relief. 414 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: She gave him a million dollars as I told him, 415 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: a must show up there. That's kind of a down 416 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: payment on getting him. And he loves Brable. They had 417 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: a great relationship. He knows Shane Bowen who causes defense, 418 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: and there's others there he knows. And they tried with 419 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: Vic Beasley last year Jeeveon Clowney had nothing out of 420 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: either one of them. But you know, with JJ could 421 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: step right in, you know, put him next to Jeffrey Simmons, 422 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: who is pretty darn good at tackle. That would be 423 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: an awesome tosome. But I think there's going to be 424 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: multiple teams, and I'm guessing when it comes down to it, 425 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: there'll be two or three, and that's when money will 426 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: be an issue. If it's even and one offers a 427 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: better deal, that that's where he goes. But he's certainly 428 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: not going to take big bugs to go to a 429 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: bad team that has salary cap run. And don't see 430 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: him going to a team like Cincinnati so he can 431 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: play next to DJ Reader. Again, I think it's going 432 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: to be one of the contenders. And Tennessee, you know 433 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: a lot of hands here wouldn't like to see twice 434 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: a year. I think that would be great. Who's a 435 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: bigger contender? John Cleveland, Buffalo or Tennessee. Those are the 436 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: three we've heard rumor with JJ, which of those three 437 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: would make the most sets. From a contender standpoint, Well, 438 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: I tell people, listen Cleveland, he gets to play opposite 439 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett and he hasn't had ever playing opposite somebody 440 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: like that. He could rush the passer. Since Bill O'Brien 441 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: traded to Dabyon Clown, he hadn't had anybody on the 442 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: other side. It could be disruptive. And this year, according 443 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: to ESPN Facts and Figures, why was double team more 444 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: than he has Russier in the NFL. Number two was 445 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: Ladarius Smith of the Packers. So people on Green Mayors 446 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: and hey, bring Wide home. Then you have the two 447 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: edge Russiers who were double team the most. They'll cut 448 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: their double teams big time. So it's a possibility. And 449 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: Buffalo course could use him as well. Soak Kansas City 450 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: And people say, you know why, there's not an issue 451 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: with what he grew up in Wisconsin. He played at Wisconsin, 452 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, But when he puts out things 453 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: on Twitter about he and his wife Kallia going on vacation, 454 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: you see him outside, you know, except when they go 455 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: home to his home in Milwaukee. You don't see them 456 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: go skiing. They're always in the Sun, don't rule out 457 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: on Tampa. Tom Brady calls him wid wants to have fun. 458 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: Playing for Bruce arians is fun. He and Kayleia could 459 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: sail around Tampa Bay with Tom and Gizelle on a 460 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: yacht and try to win another Super Bowl soup. He 461 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: has so many intriguing possibilities. I don't think I think 462 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: it'll be done, of course, by March seventeenth, but it's 463 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: certainly something fun to follow. And I just I hope 464 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: when he comes back here, no matter who it's with, 465 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: they're able to sell tickets normally and hear the ovation. 466 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: We will hear an ovation for him like we've never 467 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: heard before for by Texans fans. Gotta hate talking about that, 468 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: but yes, good point. All right, General, thanks so much 469 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: for the time. What do you have going out on 470 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: the Houston Chronicle for us? We have his draft this series, 471 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: not draft series, a Texans position, my position series, which 472 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: we've do in nine parts. I've got offense, special teams, 473 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Wilson had a defense check him out. Thank you 474 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: guys very much. I hope you stay warm and stay safe. 475 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: Thank you. General. Coming up, I will answer John Harris's 476 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: last question that he asked John McClean, even though he 477 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: didn't ask me, I'll answer it anyway. And Johnny's thoughts 478 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: on how players are going to be evaluated prior to 479 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: the draft without the combine. We'll get to it all 480 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: next don Texans Radio. It's Texans Radio trying to stay 481 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: warm like the rest of you. Mark Vandermey and John 482 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: Harris with you. Thanks a lot to the General John 483 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: McLean for being on with us in the last segment. 484 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: And Johnny, you asked the General the last question you 485 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: asked him was who's the bigger contender for the championship? 486 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: You meant, and that's maybe where what could or would 487 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: or should go? Right? Well, that was kind of my 488 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: point is that if everybody is saying, and I know 489 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: JJ wants to play for a contender, so all things 490 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: being equal, i e. The money being equal, and maybe 491 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: not the money's equal, is it more like those three 492 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: teams I thought of the three in the AFC. Now, 493 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: if I'm him, I go to Tampa. I mean even 494 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: just to experience going to Super Bowl, winning a super Bowl, 495 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: even if it's a million bucks for the year. But 496 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: looks like Shack Barrett's gonna take cash wherever he goes, 497 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: so there could be an opportunity. Now they're not the 498 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: same guy, of course, yeah, they may have some of 499 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: their guys, So Tampa would be one I would choose. 500 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: But between Cleveland, Buffalo, and Tennessee, which of those three 501 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: would be the contender? If you will? For JJ, Well, 502 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: if I'm going to the best contender out of those three, 503 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: it's Buffalo. Right. Buffalo is as ready made as it 504 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: gets among those three because they have the defense. Josh 505 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: Allen's getting better at quarterback. I know it didn't end 506 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: well in the postseason for him, but the dramatic improvement 507 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty, and not that he's 508 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: gonna go up that level every year, but he shouldn't 509 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,719 Speaker 1: get any worse in twenty twenty one, and I just 510 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: believe that that's the best situation for him. I don't 511 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: really believe in the quarterback situation in Cleveland as much 512 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: as a lot of people do. I like the guy. 513 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: I just think that I don't know. I just saw 514 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: a lot of throws that were not quite where they 515 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: needed to be. The accuracy issues are there, and then 516 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: you look at Tennessee, like we said, why would have 517 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: to feel like he's going to be the one to 518 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: make makes the difference on that side of the football, 519 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: along with whatever changes they make in order to get 520 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: the defense up to speed with their offense as a contender. 521 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: So we'll see how that goes. But I'm with you. 522 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,719 Speaker 1: I think if i'm JJ and I want to win 523 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: a ring, it's either Tampa Bay or Green Bay. I 524 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: said it right from the get go, those are the 525 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: two best chances. But Johnny, it also illustrates how difficult 526 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: it is to not only win a super Bowl, just 527 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: to get to the super Bowl. I mean, Tampa Bay 528 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: did it, but look what they had to run through 529 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: to get it done. And get it done they did. 530 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: But you have nothing to count you. You can't assume 531 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: anything in this league. I mean, Brady, I guess you 532 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: could assume he's going to come to the super Bowl 533 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: almost more often than not, almost, But that's about it. 534 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: So maybe Tampa Bay is your best shot. Well, I 535 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: mean along those lines of going to the super Bowl. 536 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you and I traded texts earlier today because 537 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: of the Carson Wentz trade, and I think it was 538 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 1: a tweet from field Yates showing quarterbacks that had been 539 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: drafted from two thousand and nine yes through two sixteen. Ye. 540 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: And you go, okay, well, if you draft the first 541 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: round quarterback, you're guaranteed success. I mean, I mean of 542 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: that group, none of those guys is with the original team. 543 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: Now for guys in twenty nine, ten eleven, okay, I 544 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: mean even Cam Newton. Cam Newton did get Carolina. I 545 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: would say that was a successful draft pick. He got 546 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: into the super Bowl, He won the MVP. In twenty fifteen. 547 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: Cam just ran into too many hits. Ye broke down 548 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: his body. But you would think that's a sure thing, right, Well, 549 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: those guys are all gone. Bortles, Manzel, Bridgewater, that was 550 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: the fourteen class. Mariota Winston, that was a fifteen class. 551 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: The sixteen class was Golf and wins there. You know, 552 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: Golf got to his Super Bowl and he would have 553 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: been the one. I wouldn't have thought of that group. 554 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: But that shows you how hard it is for anybody 555 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: just to get there. So for a guy like JJ, 556 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, love to be able to see him get there. 557 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: Some players that didn't even get to a championship game. 558 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I unfortunately think Andre Johnson. It's like Jay 559 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: didn't get to championship game, So you just want to 560 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: at least have a chance to play in that game 561 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: for the opportunity to play in his Super Bowl. So yeah, 562 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: between Cleveland, Tennessee, and Buffalo, I think Buffalo is the closest. 563 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: But I think if you want that great shot, I 564 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: would do anything possible to get with Tampa Bay and 565 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: slide right in when Shack Barrett goes out. And I 566 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: think Tampa Bay is gonna be very, very difficult to 567 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: beat because what we saw from Tampa Bay in the 568 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: last how many ever weeks of the year after they 569 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: got beat by the Chiefs, the first time you started 570 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: seeing a team where things started to blend together. Then 571 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: into playoffs, playoff Lenny started playing his guts out of 572 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: running back, and they couldn't block anybody, and they covered everybody, 573 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: and they were just tough to beat. And now you 574 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: throw JJ and m mix. My goodness, it kind of 575 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: reminded you of one of those Patriots seasons where they 576 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: get hot around Thanksgiving, like Bill O'Brien always said, and 577 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: they ride it into the sunset to a championship. It 578 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: reminded me of one of those they remember those Patriots, 579 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: remember those where they struggle that struggle, but maybe go 580 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: two and two early and everyone's saying this is the end, 581 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: and then they eventually get it together because teams have 582 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: to improve. I go back to an O'Brien thing. Sorry, folks, 583 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: but I go back to this. It's a get better league, right, 584 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: and you gotta do it every day and every week. Right. 585 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: You you are not who you were on opening day 586 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: in week four, five, ten, seventeen. You're not. You can't be. 587 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: You have to be better than that, otherwise you're gonna 588 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: go down. But back to the quarterback thing, I think 589 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: it's fascinating conversation because you made a good point. Not 590 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,959 Speaker 1: all these guys are bombs. I mean, it's not like 591 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: just because you drafted a guy in the first round 592 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: between two thousand nine twenty sixteen, he's terrible. No one's 593 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: saying that. I mean, when you look at Matt Stafford, 594 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: he's not terrible. He's a really good quarterback. But it 595 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: didn't work out in Detroit. They didn't build around him. 596 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna blame that on him. But there are 597 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: a couple of guys I'll put in a similar class, 598 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: not the same class, similar class Mark Sanchez. They went 599 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: to back to back AFC Championship games. Were they lulled 600 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: into thinking this is our guy because you go to 601 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: back to back AFC championship games, right, are you thinking, well, 602 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: he's got to be our quarterback. We just went to 603 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: two AFC championship games. Same thing with Jared Goff and 604 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: the super Bowl appearance, even though they couldn't score points 605 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: in the super Bowl. You're looking at it like, well, 606 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: we went to the super Bowl with the guy that's 607 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: our quarterback, and then all of a sudden, you know what, 608 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: It's not really all of a sudden, but this is 609 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: this sort of gradual process of I don't think that's 610 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: our quarterback after all Carson Wentz. I know that falls 611 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: took over a couple of times. But Wentz did have 612 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: success early on. That's why they resigned him because it 613 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: looked good like, okay, we got our quarterback, but then 614 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: eventually now not so much. R G three Remember the 615 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: rookie year, how good it was before the injury. Andrew 616 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: Luck retires. Tannehill fascinates me as well because here was 617 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: a player who it's not working out so well in Miami. 618 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: Maybe he wasn't all that and now he's the dean 619 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: of the AFC South quarter that still belongs to Watson, right, So, yes, yeah, 620 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: that's true, it does. Those are gonna be the four quarterbacks. Well, 621 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: let's I mean, you mean you mentioned it when we 622 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: were talking to the general if if if? I mean, look, 623 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: I was, I was doing a segment today down in 624 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: Jacksonville for Jaguars today, and of course they wanted to 625 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: talk all about the Shawn situation. I'm just like, look, man, 626 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: I don't know when you're when you're you know, young 627 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: and stubborn, and I kind of recounted a story of 628 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: which I was that way actually in Jacksonville. Is like, no, 629 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: I was gonna you know, now, I was just sitting 630 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty million dollars contract, but I just 631 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: can't think of life without him. So let's say, to 632 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: seawan is a starting quarterback, You're looking at former first 633 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: rounder Ryan Tannehill with the Dolphins, now at the Titans, 634 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: former first rounder with the Philadelphia Eagles, Carson Wentz Now 635 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: with the Colts top overall pick in this draft, more 636 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: than likely Trevor Lawrence and Deshaun Watson first rounder. I mean, 637 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: it's not it's not the days of twenty fifteen when 638 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: we saw Matt hasselback for a couple of games, zeb 639 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: Zach Mettenberger for a couple of games. I loved him 640 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: Bortles for a couple of games. It quite the same, 641 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: although we did have Layer and Mallott starting for us. 642 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: So it really wasn't the that's things straight around. Oh 643 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: my god, everybody who poo poos those division titles in 644 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: fifteen and sixteen, Hey, you know, it wasn't like the 645 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: Texans are trotting out Joe Montana, right, or even Sean 646 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: or even the Seawan at that point, Listen, we had 647 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: to have Oswaller put up a robust ninety nine yards 648 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: on the road in Jacksonville to win. We needed every 649 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: one of those ninety nine yards. And you know, the 650 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: last pass he made was a clock killing reception by 651 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: throw that got ninety nine. The thing about it was 652 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: in that in that twenty sixteen game, when he makes 653 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: that throw and I see him going back to pass 654 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: on third down, I remember saying, and I had my 655 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: mic away from me. I was like, what the bleep? 656 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: And then Hot beats Ramsey and all was well, seemingly, 657 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: at least for that week. Ninety nine yards. I mean 658 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: we went from that to two years after a bye week, 659 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: after a bye week, after a bye week, we're ready 660 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: to throw the ball. Now we put up ninety nine, 661 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: but they won and six years because Bortles was thrown 662 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: interceptions off at TJ. Yelden's foot to Whitney merciless. Oh yeah, yeah, 663 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: that's rat. It's hard to believe. You go from you 664 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: go from ninety nine yards in a win to quarterback 665 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: has to take a bus with a collapsed lung to 666 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: a win a couple of years later. Just amazing the NFL. 667 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: It's amazing, all right, Johnny stays with us, and let's 668 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: talk about offseason evaluation of players. It's weird to me 669 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: because you have no combine. Are some of the numbers 670 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: going to be incorrect that we get from these guys? 671 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: Let's find out. Next on Texans Radio, Mark Vandermayer, John 672 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: Harris with you on Texans Radio, as promise, let's talk 673 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 1: about this, Johnny, the offseason evaluation of players. And last 674 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: night I played some comments from Nick Kissario in a 675 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: conversation I had with him a couple of weeks ago 676 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: about evaluating these guys with no combine. He mentioned it Yeah, 677 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl was the last sort of you know, 678 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: direct group contact you're gonna have with a lot of players. 679 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: You will have some pro days, but we're so used 680 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: to the measurements at the combine. I'm not just talking 681 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: about height and weight. I'm talking about forty times and 682 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 1: shuttle times or whatever else they get during the drills. 683 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: How will that work? And I know there are some 684 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: offseason workouts run separately from the NFL in addition to 685 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: pro days, but everything seems sort of all over the place. 686 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: How do you homogenize Probably the wrong word, but how 687 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: do you aggregate all that data, all those numbers and 688 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,479 Speaker 1: try to come up with apples to apples comparisons? Yeah? 689 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: I think I think the word maybe looking for is normalized, 690 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: Like how do you make it across the board? That 691 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: was a good word, homogenized. I like that. I don't 692 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: know that you can mark you're gonna have pro day situations, 693 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: because that's really what they're gonna try and do, is 694 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: testing is going to take place in pro day situations. 695 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: I think one thing that gms and scouts are gonna 696 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: have to be very leria. And I say this because 697 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: my good friend is an agent and he's got a 698 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: guy that's in my Harris one hundred, and he's been 699 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: working out and he's an incredible athlete, incredible athlete, and 700 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: he's like Jay, he's running this and he's benching. This. 701 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: Thing about it is I trust that agent. I trust 702 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: my friend inherently because we've grown up together. He has 703 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: never ever given me a false thought on a player, 704 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: like if he had Antonio Gibson last year and I 705 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: was asking him, what's Antonio. He has never given me 706 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: false information like oh, yeah, this guy's gonna run a 707 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: four to three and then he runs four six. He's 708 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: never done it, So I get trust him. But the 709 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: hard part is going to be for the GMS and 710 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: scouts to be able to say, Okay, this guy didn't 711 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: have a great Pro Day and the agent calls up 712 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: and says, yeah, yeah, but look, you know he's a 713 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: four four guy. Hey, we just retested him. He ran 714 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: four four. Well do you trust that agent? Do you 715 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: do you trust that situation or do you rely on 716 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: your eyes and what you see on the football field 717 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: and go with that situation? And I think a great, 718 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: great example of that. I read an article from The Athletic. 719 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: It was about the La Rams, and it was about 720 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: Brad Holmes, who was now the GM in Detroit. He's 721 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: now he was the director of college scouting with the Rams, 722 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,439 Speaker 1: and they have a scout in the Midwest who's kind 723 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: of a you know, old battle horse guy, just doesn't 724 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: give a lot of first round grades. He's only given 725 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: like ten first round top of the line grades. He 726 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: gave one to a guy named Jordan Fuller at safety 727 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 1: and he said, this is guy is everything we wanted 728 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: a football player. And everybody was shocked, couldn't believe it. 729 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: And Jordan Fuller was sitting on the board at ironically 730 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: pick one ninety nine and the Rams were like, we 731 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: gotta take him, and they took him and he started 732 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: but his testing was like four seven zero or something. 733 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: At the combat his testing was terrible. They went back 734 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: to the scout and they were like, this guy's test 735 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: is just not very good. And they're like, well, hey, look, 736 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: if we knew he was not going to test great, 737 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: but we got everything else that we wanted that we 738 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: were able to see with our own eyes that we 739 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: didn't need really need the testing to solidify that we 740 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: know he's a good playerless draft him. He ended up 741 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,919 Speaker 1: being a starter for the Rams this year. There's gonna 742 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: have to be more of that trusting a scouts instincts 743 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: of what he sees on the field when he's been 744 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: able to talk to that particular player and get a 745 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: feel for him, as opposed to, hey, here's what the 746 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: number said, here's you know, you're not gonna have that 747 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 1: normalization across the board. So you just got to trust 748 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: your eyes and trust what you've seen, and then trust 749 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: the type of guy the trust the type of individual 750 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: these guys are. And that's a large, large part of 751 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: the whole process in and of itself. I had a 752 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: conversation with the buddy of mine the other day. I 753 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: really like a defensive linement and I mentioned it to him. 754 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: He goes, oh man, he goes, I heard from multiple 755 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: scouts not a good guy, bad things off the field. 756 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, that's a huge part of this 757 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: process as well. And those are things you're going to 758 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: be able to investigate well. How to figure out what 759 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: is pro day times are well to your point, the 760 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: anecdotal information, and it can't be everything, but it's a 761 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: part of it. It has to be well researched. You 762 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: have to accumulate a lot of information on these guys 763 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: from people you know, people you trust, no doubt about that. 764 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: And one thing that Gary Kubiak and I mentioned this 765 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: every draft of a off season, offseason evaluation period. One 766 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: thing Gary Kubiak used to say is at the combine 767 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,479 Speaker 1: he likes to observe how the guys interact with each other, 768 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, and who do they gravitate to, Who's kind 769 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: of leading during those drills. And you get some of 770 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: that during the pro days, I guess, but you are 771 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 1: with your buddies in that case. At the combine, you're 772 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,439 Speaker 1: with new people, and you're going to be with new 773 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: people when you assimilate into whatever ProTeam you're going to. 774 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: And I remember in twenty fourteen the quarterback class, because 775 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: we were all hyper focused on quarterbacks. Do what we 776 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: do because we knew the Texans we're looking for a 777 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: quarter back of some sort. They ended up with Ryan 778 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick and they drafted Tom Savage in the fourth round 779 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: and all that. But we were thinking, hey, you got 780 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: a shot here to get Derek Carr or Johnny Manziel 781 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: or Jimmy Garoppolo or one of those guys. And Manzell 782 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: was clearly the guy everybody flocked to it. I think 783 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: maybe that's just his superstardom and he's really interesting. Derek 784 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: Carr was number two I thought on the list. Bridgewater 785 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: I thought was pretty high up there as well as 786 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: far as just the charisma factor. But you know, it's 787 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 1: funny I say those names now and it's legendary stuff. 788 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: How about Manzelle playing in that fan league whatever that is. 789 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: You see that last weekend? Yeah, I quite know how 790 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: to feel about it. I just want, I honestly just 791 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: want to remember Johnny beating Alabama twenty twelve. I just 792 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 1: want to remember that night, and I also want to 793 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: remember how it almost didn't come to me. But that's 794 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 1: a story for a different time and place. But man, 795 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: I loved watching him play called football. Johnny, thanks so 796 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: much for being with us tonight. As all all right, 797 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: tomorrow night, we will be back plenty to talk about 798 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: as you never know what's going to happen around the league, 799 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: and Johnny and I will share that with you. More 800 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: thoughts on the Texans twenty twenty one offseason. Thanks for listening, 801 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: thanks for being a part of the program tonight, and 802 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: go Texans.