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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson. And it is a snowy Yeah. They

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Speaker 3: here in Pittsburgh. The snow is coming down, starting to accumulate.

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Speaker 4: A little bit, starting to look a lot like Christmas. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but it's probably gonna melt before then. Yeah, starting to

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Speaker 4: look like the playoffs. Starting to look a lot like winter.

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Speaker 4: What it's starting to look like. Yeah, it's not so great.

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Speaker 3: Ape, but yeah, I mean it's it's football type weather.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers are practicing today. They practiced outside in the snow.

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Speaker 3: I figure they guess they figured, hey, we're gonna have

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Speaker 3: to play through this kind of stuff as we'll get

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Speaker 3: used to it. And so they practiced in the snow today.

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Speaker 3: And Matt, I've been thinking and thinking over what we

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Speaker 3: talked about yesterday in terms of how to attack this

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Speaker 3: this Philadelphia defense. If you're the Steelers, and I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you knew this or not, Russell Wilson in

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Speaker 3: his career, how about this little nugget.

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Speaker 4: I know where you're going. It's pretty impressive.

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Speaker 3: Too, against teams ranked number one in total defense, teams

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Speaker 3: ranked in total defense. He is four and oh in

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Speaker 3: his career. That's crazy, including a win in each of

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Speaker 3: his two seasons in Denver. Yeah, not even like the

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Speaker 3: set right right right. They beat the He beat the

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Speaker 3: forty nine Ers eleven to ten in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: They were the number one defensive league. He beat the

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Speaker 3: Browns last year twenty nine to twelve.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, So you say six and oh against the Eagles,

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Speaker 4: six and oh against the Eagles. But that's I didn't

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Speaker 4: know what that was common to me, doesn't That doesn't

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Speaker 4: resonate because that's that's like the the Steelers haven't won

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Speaker 4: in Philadelphia, says nineteen sixty five thing, what happened regular occurring,

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Speaker 4: what happened in.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen sixty five has no bear, no no of cour

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Speaker 3: this game. Yeah, yeah, it's just the fact that they

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Speaker 3: just haven't won in that in that stadium.

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Speaker 4: Or if I do, like, you're stat better that he

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Speaker 4: against elite defense, against the league.

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Speaker 3: He takes care of, takes care of the football, and

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Speaker 3: finds a way to win, even if it's ugly. Eleven

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Speaker 3: to ten. Sure, I see, I think that probably not

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Speaker 3: gonna be forty to thirty eight. You know, unless I'm

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Speaker 3: incorrect here, that would only be the second eleven to

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Speaker 3: ten game in NFL history.

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Speaker 4: That the first one was the Steelers against the Chargers. No, okay,

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Speaker 4: back in what two thousand and nine or whatever. That

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Speaker 4: was obviously not a normal score.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not a normal score, and so you probably

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Speaker 3: got a safety in there. Obviously got a safety in

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Speaker 3: there at some point if somebody missed a field goal

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Speaker 3: or missed the weird abody missed an extra point or something.

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Speaker 4: But you still found the way to win the game,

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Speaker 4: which was good too, I mean at least against a

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Speaker 4: Niner team. And the Denver one wasn't bad either, so

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Speaker 4: he probably got to help. He beat this forty nine

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Speaker 4: Ers with Denver. The first year, Oh, I thought he

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Speaker 4: beat the Niners with Seattle. No, the first the first

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Speaker 4: year he was in Denver. He did two years in

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Speaker 4: a row, two years in a row when Denver was

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Speaker 4: terrible that year for your fired in like week five. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: first year, Yeah, it was a disaster.

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Speaker 3: So you know, he goes into this game knowing you're

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Speaker 3: not gonna have George pickens knowing you're facing the number

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Speaker 3: one defense in the league in terms of yards allowed.

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Speaker 3: They're not number one in points allowed, but they're number

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Speaker 3: one in yards allowed. But as I mentioned yesterday, some

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Speaker 3: of that's been skewed a little bit by a couple

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Speaker 3: of the really, really bad quarterbacks that they faced. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's two games there where they gave up less than

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Speaker 4: When they were backup guys. When they were their backups. Still,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a it's a good deal. It's still

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Speaker 4: a top three or four defense to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't know that by the season's end

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Speaker 3: it will be number one overall. But factor mains Wilson

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Speaker 3: has gone into games like this in the past and

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Speaker 4: Yeah times. Now, I didn't know that there's something you

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Speaker 4: gonna be tough sledding. I think it's gonna be tough sledding.

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Speaker 3: I think one of the reasons he's able to do

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Speaker 3: that is because something that we've talked about a lot.

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Speaker 3: He throws touchdown passes. Even last week it wasn't doesn't

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Speaker 3: turn the ball over it much. No, it wasn't the

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Speaker 3: prettiest of performances last week, but he didn't turn the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes a long way, absolutely. I mean I

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Speaker 4: assumed one of those was with Seattle, you know, hand

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Speaker 4: considering those around him, even that second year, it wasn't

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Speaker 4: like it was a great team. I mean, they got

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Speaker 4: You know, defense is pretty good, but you know, yeah,

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Speaker 4: so you know, there's just so much we said about

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Speaker 4: say it almost every week. You know that he's The

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Speaker 4: more you look into his career, the better it looks.

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Speaker 4: The more you look into his time and Pittsburgh, the

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Speaker 4: better it looks. And some of that's contradicted to the

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Speaker 4: quarterback since Ben too. Just having that guy who's played

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Speaker 4: so much football in this league as immense value.

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Speaker 3: It gives you the ability the Steelers, as we know,

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Speaker 3: know how to muck up a game a little bit

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm sure that's a goal on this one. But

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Speaker 3: They were doing this earlier this season and the Steelers

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Speaker 3: time in the red zone it was justin Field's finishing

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Speaker 3: the capability to throw some touchdown passes down there and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I the red zone numbers are what they are. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they're poor for the year, right, but once again last

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Speaker 4: the game. Those count as red zone trips, I know,

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Speaker 4: And even this stage of this of the season, if

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Speaker 4: it's pretty good. So if you multiply that times ten

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Speaker 3: So, I mean this is basically two weeks in a row.

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Speaker 3: The last two games. Two weeks ago, it was they

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're not. And really it's like third I

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Speaker 4: always thought third down conversions is a lot more telling

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Speaker 4: look at quarterbacks more so than teams. Does this guy

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Speaker 4: and he definitely doesn't. I mean, he's not red zone

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Speaker 4: And he showed you know, he throws touchdown passes, like

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Speaker 3: Not only that, they're just getting there more often, right right,

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Speaker 3: you know there there's they're sustaining drives at a at

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Speaker 3: ten's about ten and thirteen. Uh, sometimes if it's really

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Speaker 4: But if you look at really what.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers have done with with with Wilson is that

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Speaker 3: they've moved the ball pretty much every game, absolutely, even

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Speaker 3: when they kick six field goals, kick six field goals.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're still moving from the football every time. I

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Speaker 4: gotten getting past the fifty. Yeah, I mean that type

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Speaker 4: it's been like lately. I Mean there's been a lot

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Speaker 4: you know, like that's like nothing nowadays, you know, like yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, moving to football, they definitely turn drives into

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Speaker 4: it's just easier now. There's just fewer bad things that happened.

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Speaker 4: I'd like the trends that they're going, especially once Vickens returns.

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Speaker 3: Like last week against Cleveland again four red zone trips,

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Speaker 4: Of that Cleveland game too, there wasn't a whole lot

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Speaker 4: of football wasn't moving lot.

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Speaker 3: Either at Washington for red zone trips at the Giants

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Speaker 3: four red zone trips. Against the Jets six red zone trips.

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Speaker 3: I mean they've had been pretty consistently getting them into

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean they do move to football. And even

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Speaker 4: if those are non touchdown drives, that's still twelve to

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Speaker 4: fifteen points worth of oas you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: You know, with this defense makes you tough to play against.

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Speaker 4: You know, let's just get into him real quick, because

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Speaker 4: some of his stuff's crazy. His stats right now are nuts.

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Speaker 4: They are especially if you really put into context of

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Speaker 4: why he missed three field goals? You almost blocked.

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Speaker 3: You could make the argument right now that he is

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Speaker 3: having the greatest season an NFL kicker has ever had.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't I know. Mark Moseley won

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Speaker 4: the year. Yeah, that was the scabs around all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: So right now he's on pace still to set the

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Speaker 3: all time record for made field goals in a season.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he has thirty six. He needs to get to

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Speaker 4: forty four with four games left, like his chances right. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So I looked it upon the record holder for makes

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Speaker 3: I gotta find this now. I just wrote all this

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Speaker 3: stuff today. The record holder in a season is David

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Speaker 3: Acres in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I remember that he was like fantasy gold. He

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Speaker 4: made forty four field goals that year. He attempted fifty two. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You know, Tucker's best season, he was thirty eight of

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Speaker 3: Boswell's percentage from fifty and beyond is the best all

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Speaker 3: Yeah the argument yeah, Tuckers it so boswell now has

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Speaker 4: Okay, so where he's going up the list because just

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Speaker 3: You know, in the history of the Steelers, I mentioned

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Speaker 4: I mean times were different. I mean people weren't making

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Speaker 4: That's not all kicking off it's not all kicking.

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Speaker 4: Lots of teams struggling with that right now, there are

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Speaker 5: How you doing, Labs Pretty good today? How you guys

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Speaker 3: Happy not having been swept by the or Brown since

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Speaker 4: Yeah, keep the champagne going. Yeah, you have that bottle

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Speaker 1: And who knows, maybe you get to crack another one

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Speaker 3: that's all part of that. No George Pickens this weekend, Bob,

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Speaker 3: what can the Steelers do, in your opinion, to kind

435
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Speaker 3: of offset not having the best their best playmaker out there,

436
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Speaker 3: maybe one of their top playmakers, I should say.

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Speaker 5: Arthur Smith has some answers, because I don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know that I'm sure there are ways,

439
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Speaker 1: and I'm not familiar enough with a lot of the

440
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Speaker 1: specifics of the Eagles defense. But I mean, you know,

441
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think let me let me

442
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Speaker 1: say like this, I don't believe that it's a one

443
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Speaker 1: for one kind of situation, you know what I mean.

444
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Speaker 1: I don't think you George Pickens is out, add somebody

445
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Speaker 1: else in and then you just run your offense the

446
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Speaker 1: way you would have if he was there.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe that that's That's not the way to

448
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Speaker 5: go about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so exactly what that what it's going to entail,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't pretend to know enough about it

451
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Speaker 1: to answer that question intelligently. But I do believe, as

452
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Speaker 1: I said, it's not a one for one situation. So

453
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get some a number of other

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Speaker 1: people involved in different ways. And I do like the

455
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Speaker 1: fact that Mike Toman kind of ruled him out on Tuesday,

456
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Speaker 1: because you know, I think that him handling it like

457
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Speaker 1: that was as much a message to his assistant coaches

458
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Speaker 1: and his players than it was informational for the media

459
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Speaker 1: and the fans. I mean, and now everybody knows, you

460
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, There's no like last last week.

461
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Speaker 1: I thought that was really a tough situation because you're thinking,

462
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Speaker 1: you got Pickens right up till about three hours before kickoff,

463
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Speaker 1: so you devised a game plan, you practiced a game plan,

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Speaker 1: I mean all of that stuff, you know, and Pickens

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Speaker 1: even practiced, you know, through Thursday, which is you know,

466
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Speaker 1: Friday is situational football day, so you know, he was

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Speaker 1: present for just about all of it on the field stuff.

468
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Speaker 1: And so then you take him out of there, and

469
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Speaker 1: it's not only was it a negative for the Steelers offense,

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Speaker 1: a big plus for the Browns defense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I compared it to the situation had a couple of

473
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Speaker 3: years ago when Ben got COVID, was diagnosed with COVID

474
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Speaker 3: on Saturday night, and you had, you know, all of

475
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Speaker 3: a sudden, you're okay, he practiced all week long. But now,

476
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Speaker 3: Mason Rudolph, you're the guy, you know, and people expected

477
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Speaker 3: to come out and look like it's you know, the

478
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Speaker 3: Steelers offense, right.

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Speaker 5: Mason Rudolph got that phone call.

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Speaker 1: I remember Mike Thomlins saying he had to call him

481
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Speaker 1: Friday night and said, oh yeah, Mason, by the way,

482
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Speaker 1: you're starting on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, so you know, those are things that.

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Speaker 1: You know, since this is actually real football played by

485
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Speaker 1: real people and not a video game, you know that

486
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Speaker 1: these are factors that you know, you kind of have

487
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Speaker 1: to deal with. And you know, looking back on the

488
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Speaker 1: Browns game, it took them a little bit of time,

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Speaker 1: uh to figure it out.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 1: But uh, you know, twenty seven points is I remember

492
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Speaker 1: seasons where that helped that beholding ticker tape parades downtown

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh for twenty.

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Speaker 4: Seven recent seasons.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's what, Yes, recent seasons.

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Speaker 1: Uh, so.

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Speaker 5: You know what we're going to see. I mean, this

498
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Speaker 5: is not certainly, this is not an ideal situation. You know, the.

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Speaker 1: Steelers took a couple of teams to Philadelphia that ended

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Speaker 1: up winning Super Bowls that lost to the Eagles there.

501
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Speaker 1: So it's a tough place to play historically for this franchise.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to say that this game doesn't matter,

503
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Speaker 1: but it's not as important as Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not suggesting that Mike Williams is a one

505
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Speaker 4: for one with Pickens, because I'm with you. I think

506
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Speaker 4: it's going to be a group effort. They're gonna need

507
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Speaker 4: five to ten from five to ten different receivers to

508
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Speaker 4: make up for it. But do you think they ramp

509
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Speaker 4: Williams up more going forward here?

510
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean I don't know that. I don't know.

511
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Speaker 5: Let me say this, and I don't want to. I

512
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Speaker 5: don't want to be overly critical. But you know, Mike

513
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Speaker 5: Williams is a down the depth chart depth piece.

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Speaker 1: No. I mean, that's the kind of player he is.

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Speaker 1: I believe if you know, if it was just a

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Speaker 1: matter of you know, ramping him up, he would have

517
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Speaker 1: been targeted more than one time between his first game

518
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Speaker 1: with the Steelers, which was again in Washington against the Commanders,

519
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Speaker 1: and last week's game against the Browns. I mean, Russell

520
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Speaker 1: Wilson is way too inclusive of a quarterback when it

521
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Speaker 1: comes to distributing the ball for him to be ignoring

522
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Speaker 1: or not seeing or anything with Mike Williams except he's

523
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Speaker 1: not getting open. I don't know that Williams is able

524
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Speaker 1: to separate. You knows as much or as well as

525
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Speaker 1: you need right for a quarterback to have confidence in

526
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Speaker 1: you with absolutely no off season program together, no training camp,

527
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Speaker 1: you know, very few games, regular season practices, aren't you know,

528
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Speaker 1: that's not where you develop any rapport. You know, those

529
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Speaker 1: are those regular season practices, aren't Aren't that aren't like

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Speaker 1: they are at training camp or during the preseason or

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Speaker 1: any of that stuff.

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Speaker 5: So I think that we may have talked about this.

533
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Speaker 1: Last week or the week before, but I believe that

534
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: Steelers fans were so starving for the team to acquire

535
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Speaker 1: a receiver that when the team finally did, the expectations

536
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: for him were you know, they thought it was Brandon Ayuk,

537
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 1: which he's not, or or that caliber of an addition.

538
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Speaker 1: And then his first catch is a game winning touchdown

539
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: down the field, and then you just think, well, this

540
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: is Randy Moss. So that's that's not who he is.

541
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if I don't know if it's

542
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Speaker 1: gonna be Mike Williams. Maybe it's firemouth, maybe it's more

543
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Speaker 1: using the backside of the backfield as receivers. You know, Again,

544
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Speaker 1: as I said, I don't know enough about the Eagles

545
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: defense to get into specifics of.

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Speaker 5: What they're going to do. I just think that you're

547
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Speaker 5: you're in much better position to deal.

548
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Speaker 1: With a significant loss like that when you know about

549
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: it at the beginning of the week.

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Speaker 3: One thing that we kicked around yesterday, Bob and Matt

551
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Speaker 3: brought up the stat that the Eagles have faced the

552
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Speaker 3: most eleven personnel in the in the NFL this season.

553
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Speaker 3: So you know, just one wider or one running back

554
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Speaker 3: and three wideouts on the field. Maybe maybe you zig

555
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: against them when everybody else was zagging and you just

556
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Speaker 3: come out with your big package and say, Okay, we're

557
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Speaker 3: gonna get We're gonna get big against you.

558
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: We got all these tight ends out here, they can

559
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 4: catch the football. Let's let's let's see what you do

560
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 4: against this.

561
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Speaker 3: Because they only have five defensive tackles on their defensive

562
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: linemen on their roster, and I just make them, make

563
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Speaker 3: them do what they really haven't had to.

564
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Speaker 4: Do this year. Yeah, the Eagles have seen real small

565
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 4: percent of three tight ends on the field together, very small.

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Speaker 4: And Steelers are the top of league in that.

567
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not discounting that, but let me say this,

568
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Speaker 1: I do believe that for that for that strategy to work,

569
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Speaker 1: the defense is going to have to do its.

570
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Speaker 4: Jawb Yeah, oh, defense got to play great on Sunday.

571
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 4: There's no offans or butts about that.

572
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Speaker 1: And and something somebody that no one is talking about

573
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Speaker 1: or in my opinion, not talking enough about is AJ Brown?

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Speaker 1: I mean, all the Saquon Barkley stuff, very legitimate, no

575
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: question in my mind, Jalen Hurts and the brotherly shove

576
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: or the push push or whatever, the big physical offensive

577
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: line that da da da.

578
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Speaker 5: Well.

579
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Speaker 1: I know this is against the rules for your fine show,

580
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: but I did some research and A. J. Brown had

581
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: six catches for one hundred and fifty six yards and

582
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Speaker 1: three touchdowns against the Steelers in twenty twenty two. The

583
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: touchdowns were like thirty nine twenty seven and twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Yards twenty nine. I did little research too, thirty nine.

585
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Speaker 5: Yards, okay, So don't fall asleep on that guy.

586
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 4: Oh no, yeah, Smith's around.

587
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 5: To say it.

588
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: Yes, uh so you know it's it's about a whole

589
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Speaker 1: lot more than you know, bringing your big boy pads

590
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: and and stopping Saquon Barkley because A J.

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Speaker 5: Brown is.

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Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't believe when I looked him up

593
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Speaker 1: earlier this afternoon, he's only he's listening at.

594
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Speaker 5: Six to one.

595
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Speaker 1: I thought he would be six ' five.

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Speaker 5: Boy.

597
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Speaker 1: Yes, So I mean this guy, that guy is a

598
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Speaker 1: significant factor, and he is a a real weapon that

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Speaker 1: the Eagles have at their disposal.

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Speaker 5: And so.

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Speaker 1: You know, minimizing Saquon Barkley is so certainly on the

602
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Speaker 1: to do list, but it's it's quite far not the

603
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Speaker 1: only thing for that Steelers defense. And if the Eagles

604
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: are able to, you know, strike down the field with

605
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: chunk play touchdowns, I don't think you can get in

606
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Speaker 1: the scoring, you know, and a shootout with them without

607
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Speaker 1: George Pickens. I don't care how what kind of game

608
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Speaker 1: plan you have, excuse me, or how you know what

609
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: personnel packages you're using. I mean, all that stuff that

610
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about sounds good, but there have to be

611
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: some other things that fall into place for that to

612
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Speaker 1: have a chance to work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, getting a shootout with this team without Pickens isn't

614
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Speaker 4: like getting in a shootout with the Bengals who have

615
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Speaker 4: no defense with Pickens.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, or even or even you know, going against

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Speaker 1: the Browns.

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Speaker 5: Because you know you can you can. I won't say.

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Speaker 1: Count on, but you know they're the Browns quarterback Jamis Winston.

620
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: You know, he's a gun slinger. He has a reputation

621
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Speaker 1: for throwing you the ball and if you catch him,

622
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Speaker 1: you're in pretty good shape, you know. Jalen Hurts isn't

623
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes by any means. But he's not James Winston either,

624
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Speaker 1: And so ah, you know, you want to know, what,

625
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: what do you call me the Dean of Doom?

626
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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm not.

627
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Speaker 1: I'm not real optimistic about Sunday's outcome.

628
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they've really limited hurts to some degree. But since

629
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Speaker 4: Week six he only has two turnovers period. You know,

630
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Speaker 4: I mean like he probably isn't going to throw you on.

631
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Speaker 3: They're also not throwing the ball down the field as

632
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Speaker 3: much as they in that game in twenty twenty two

633
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Speaker 3: or earlier in the season, Bob. They don't have a

634
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: they don't have a twenty plus yard touchdown pass since

635
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Speaker 3: November three. All their touchdowns of late have been running basically,

636
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Speaker 3: and they've got, you know, just a bunch of shorter,

637
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: shorter touchdown passes. They've just been kind of it's been

638
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: death by a thousand paper cuts against this Egos team

639
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: because they're just really good at running the.

640
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: Football, and a Browns get a little frustrated with it too.

641
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Speaker 4: It sounds like, well, you.

642
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 5: Know, and just because they don't doesn't mean they can't.

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Speaker 1: You know, I would imagine, if you know, the Steelers

644
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: blow their back against the run early, they won't hesitate

645
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: to attack down the field play action however they want

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Speaker 1: to do it.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'd be curious.

648
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Speaker 1: I wonder how many what you would consider long touchdown

649
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: runs that running back cast. So I mean, if you

650
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: could do it like that, just turn around handing the

651
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: ball and then you know, carelessly jog over to the

652
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Speaker 1: sideline and slap, you know, high fives with the defense

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Speaker 1: over there as he's crossing.

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Speaker 5: The goal line.

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Speaker 1: More power to you.

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Speaker 5: But I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that just because they haven't means they can't.

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Speaker 5: So again, I this this team to me is I

659
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Speaker 5: don't know. They may be the best team in the

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Speaker 5: league to me.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is a this is a tough assignment.

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Speaker 4: We mentioned a few times, and I know you haven't

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Speaker 4: studied every run or all that, but I mean, does

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Speaker 4: it pass the sniff test that he's having one of

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Speaker 4: the best seasons in running back history. I mean Chris

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Speaker 4: Johnson Dickerson's year OJ when he went crazy. I mean,

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Speaker 4: is did you think he's at that kind of level

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Speaker 4: right now?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's not only in my mind consistently productive,

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Speaker 1: but he is a home run hitter, you know, running, running, run,

672
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Speaker 1: long touchdown runs in the NFL are not that frequent,

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Speaker 1: and this guy's doing it really hard and right, it's

674
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Speaker 1: not like he's sneaking up on anybody either, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't you know, he may not have for example,

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Speaker 1: you know, the like Chris Johnson, he was just so fast,

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Speaker 1: sakuon Barkley. He's he's not as big as say Derrick

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Speaker 1: Henry or seemingly powerful as Derrick Henry or you know,

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Speaker 1: Eric Dickerson, and to me had that really rare combination

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Speaker 1: of power and then get away speed all in the

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Speaker 1: same run and run over a linebacker and then run

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Speaker 1: away from all the defensive.

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Speaker 5: And it looks like a sprinter And yeah, right, exactly.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: I've seen Barkley do a lot of those kinds of

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Speaker 1: things that signature, you know, but this, as I said,

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Speaker 1: the guy's consistently productive, and he's getting in the end

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Speaker 1: zone on these long runs.

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Speaker 4: Then he's he's been tackled at the one eleven times,

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Speaker 4: which is insane.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so uh yeah, he's he's you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I can get anyone to say this,

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Speaker 1: but I think he's better than Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 4: I do right now. This year, yeah, this year, yes, so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever wherever you want to put him in terms

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00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: of seasons, I think he's well on that way, on

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Speaker 1: the on that path. We'll see where it is in

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Speaker 1: another three or four weeks in terms of the numbers.

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Speaker 1: But uh, I wouldn't want to be right, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: want to be in the NFC East and I have

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Speaker 1: to deal with him twice.

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Speaker 4: We'll be the Giants and be the team that let

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Speaker 4: him go and then have to face him twice in

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00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,959
Speaker 4: season every year. Yeah, that was smart, Bob.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate you stopping by, and I'll try to stay

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Speaker 3: out of the snow and and.

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Speaker 5: Talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Uh well, maybe a little bit on Sunday. We'll see,

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Speaker 3: but appreciate your time.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: You know what they you know what they say, Dale Pats,

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Speaker 1: King of State, does.

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Speaker 5: It right on the sun King, King of Steaks.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah. Anyways, our guest has been Bob Labriola, editor

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Speaker 4: of Steelers Digest and Steelers dot.

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Speaker 3: Com, the Dean of Doom and the lord of living

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Speaker 3: in his fears. I'm Dale, Lolly, he is Bob. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's not Bob Labery Oh, he's Matt Williamson. And we're

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Speaker 3: gonna take a break at and I'll be back with

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Speaker 3: more right after this.

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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

723
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Speaker 2: Gold Steelers.

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Speaker 5: Nation Radio.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and this is the Drive

727
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network and Matt Steelers Eagles draws

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Speaker 3: Allen X crew this week.

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Speaker 4: Oh I didn't looked into that. Okay, so his reputation.

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Speaker 4: They called the fourth fewest penalties in the league. Okay,

731
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 4: good on average this season. They worked a Steeler game

732
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Speaker 4: earlier this year that that one was the one against

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Speaker 4: the Raiders. Eleven total penalties called in that game. Okay,

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Speaker 4: you'll take that's a little more watchable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's about what he His crew averages about eleven

736
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Speaker 3: point six penalties per game if you look at it

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Speaker 3: in terms of the breakdown, and this is the case.

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Speaker 4: For most officials. Sure sure, holding is the one that

739
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 4: they call the most. Yeah, that's a common one of course.

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Speaker 3: And then as it is for every other crew as well,

741
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Speaker 3: it's after that false start you have to call those, right,

742
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Speaker 3: that's just twelve defensive pass interference penalties, which that's what

743
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Speaker 3: I was curious, nine point nine to two.

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Speaker 4: Per game, So it's not like they throw it a lot.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you got some young corners in this game

746
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Speaker 4: that can be a little grabby. I'm talking about Mitchell

747
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 4: and de Gene as well as Porter. You know, they're

748
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Speaker 4: learning what could you get away with at the NFL level.

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Speaker 4: I was curious about that. I didn't know who was

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Speaker 4: on here, but I looked at just penalties in general.

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Speaker 4: Both these teams are kind of middle of the league

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Speaker 4: in terms of penalty penalization and yardage, so there's not

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Speaker 4: a huge advantage there.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 4: I looked at the same thing.

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Speaker 3: They've called eleven unnecessary roughness penalties, so zero point eighty

757
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: five they've they've worked thirteen games comes far the season,

758
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Speaker 3: so that's their fourth most penalty. And then defensive offside

759
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Speaker 3: delay a game six roughing the passer calls. That's that's significant, significant,

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Speaker 3: So you know, keep an eye on some good pass

761
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Speaker 3: rushers in this game that could draw some of those.

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Speaker 3: They've also called four offensive pass interference penalties, so you

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Speaker 3: don't see that one called nearly as much. So that's

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Speaker 3: something to keep an eye on there, but nothing too

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Speaker 3: crazy with his crew. They good, They pretty much keep

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Speaker 3: it pretty uh.

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Speaker 4: Expects us to be a pretty emotional and very physical game,

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Speaker 4: and there's going to be a lot of eyeballs on it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's probably the second biggest game of the

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Speaker 4: week besides Bill's Lions.

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Speaker 5: So good.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad there's not gonna be a probably, you know,

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Speaker 4: projected to be a lot of penalties. I wonder if A. J.

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Speaker 4: Brown's offensive pass interference type guy. You know, I could

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Speaker 4: see Pickings being that type, but I don't see the

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Speaker 4: other receivers. That's one thing.

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Speaker 3: If you look at Lane Johnson, he's been called he

778
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Speaker 3: hasn't given up a sack this year.

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Speaker 4: They're right tackle. But he does have five penalty does it?

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking a lot of those are for false starts.

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Speaker 4: I'd say they early stuff because he likes he likes

782
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Speaker 4: to go early. So there's probably a longer conversation and

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Speaker 4: I won't explain it well. But some of the O

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Speaker 4: line nerds that I really listened to, Brandon Thorne and

785
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Speaker 4: these guys that only study O lineman, they praise Lane

786
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Speaker 4: Johnson to no end that he has invented some pass

787
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Speaker 4: protection techniques that no one else has ever really done.

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Speaker 4: You know that he he's so athletic that he was

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Speaker 4: able to do them where others couldn't. And a lot

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Speaker 4: of them's with his start. I guess he has somewhat

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Speaker 4: of a unique start out of his stance that can

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Speaker 4: be quick, you know. I mean, like, I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: like right, it's at the hair trigger of the snap,

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Speaker 4: and so something to keep an eye on. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's a really different type of player, the most big

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00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 4: mauling right tackles. Yeah, and TJ. Watt didn't play in

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Speaker 4: that twenty twenty two game. He missed. He missed that game.

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Speaker 4: So I think it'll be one on one a lot,

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Speaker 4: that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: So if you leave him one on one with TJ Watt,

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Speaker 3: as good as he is, I said it yesterday, if

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Speaker 3: they have fifty snaps against each other, he's not going

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Speaker 3: to shut Watt out.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, if you only get three big plays

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Speaker 4: out of him, that'd be great. Yeah, you know, but

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Speaker 4: I bet they leave him on an island more than

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00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 4: maybe any one. TJ fight battles all year because one

809
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 4: of the things that as good as my lot on

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Speaker 4: the other side has only giving up one sack. Okay,

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Speaker 4: he's having a remarkable year. Yeah, but Herts has been

812
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Speaker 4: sacked thirty six times this year.

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: You know, and so some of that obviously he's not

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00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 3: on the offensive tackles. But but it's coming from him

816
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: running around behind the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 4: And he holds the ball, he bats the ball a

818
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 4: little bit too, doesn't play in rhythm as well as

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00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 4: he should, especially lately. And time to throw is high.

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00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 4: It's the highest among really all starting quarterbacks. And so

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Speaker 4: the higher the better. Yeah, that's going to be part

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00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 4: of the goal. Keep him in. Somebody's gonna chase him down.

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00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 4: So Carolina did a good job with that. And they

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Speaker 4: don't have cam Ayward and Watt and high Smith and

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it'd be interesting something to watch here. If

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Speaker 3: maybe maybe Lane Johnson, if he is left on an

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Speaker 3: island with TJ. Watt, maybe he just tries to get

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Speaker 3: a little quicker start than usually.

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Speaker 5: I bet he does.

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Speaker 4: I bet he does, because he's kind of his forte

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Speaker 4: to begin with the same thing with you know, when

833
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 4: her BIG's out there, because he's a speedball. If he

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Speaker 4: instill all three of those guys have great get off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so something to keep an eye on. That's going

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Speaker 3: to do it for our number one of the drive

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Speaker 3: here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will

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Speaker 3: be back with our number two right after this