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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up

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Speaker 1: straight Fire? Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: May twenty four. Stop me. If you've heard this before.

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Speaker 1: It was another bad night in the NBA playoffs. It's

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Speaker 1: been a theme for like two weeks now. I mean,

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Speaker 1: rap Celtics role one oh two eighty two in a snoozer.

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Speaker 1: But fear not, We've still got a really good podcast

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Speaker 1: for you. I've got a quick college football nugget I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna drop on you. Guys are gonna love and some

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Speaker 1: I've got a great guest for you today. His name

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Speaker 1: You probably know him if you're a Mavericks fan. Tonight

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Speaker 1: could be the last stand for the Dallas Mavericks. Mike

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Speaker 1: He's connected with one oh three the Fan. I think

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Speaker 1: I actually think he surprised me in his interest in

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Speaker 1: How do the MAVs pivot? Listen, maybe they come back

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Speaker 1: not believe they opened favored against the Warriors down oh three.

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Speaker 1: They sounded defeated. I think they've probably come out with

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Speaker 1: But I think you guys are gonna like this talk

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Speaker 1: about the Mavericks and their future. Obviously we're gonna save

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Speaker 1: But first, a quick fun note. I totally forgot this

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Speaker 1: my history. I do not proclaim that I'm an insider.

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Speaker 1: I do talk to a lot of people. Once I

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Speaker 1: made the move from blog world to TV and radio

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Speaker 1: and podcasting, you hear from more people, you see more people,

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Speaker 1: Arch Manning. He is probably one of the best quarterback

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Speaker 1: prospects to come out since I don't know what Trevor, Lawrence, Peyton, Manning, um,

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Speaker 1: And I was with somebody who is very closely connected

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Speaker 1: Georgia and Alabama, which should eyes nobody but Texas Longhorns

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Speaker 1: A guy who is very popular on Twitter. He goes

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Speaker 1: by Fish Sports. He covers a lot of cowboys. But

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Speaker 1: if you know him a little bit, he thinks trash

422
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Speaker 1: shock is fun. He's not trying to be a jerk.

423
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Speaker 1: He thinks it's part of the fun of the game.

424
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Speaker 1: He likes it when the other dies do it to him.

425
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: He just thinks it's fun. But he does have a

426
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Speaker 1: favorite phrase. And I can't say either one of these

427
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: words on your family. You can say. You can say anything.

428
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,239
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, anything flies on this, I mean,

429
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 1: unless it's really really vulgar, the public really vulgar. The

430
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Speaker 1: first word begins with an F and the second word

431
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: begins with a P. And he says twelve times a game. Wow,

432
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 1: that getting wrong? Yeah, you're a all the time. Uh.

433
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: And the reason he doesn't get punched. I think it's

434
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Speaker 1: because the others in the league understand. He just thinks

435
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: it's fun, and so you say it back to him

436
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: and we all have a good fun chuckle and then

437
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: he scores forty on you. And what was too bad

438
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: about last night is and I was at that game,

439
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Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, you can't root root, but I'm

440
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Speaker 1: on press row with I've got a little fist under

441
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Speaker 1: the table, said Dan. That was the quietest forty points

442
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in the playoff game. Well, I think

443
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: he had half of it in the fourth quarter, right

444
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: or something like that when it was kind of insignificant. Yeah,

445
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: it was tough. Um that Now. Now, now this part

446
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: about the MAVs, I do. I hate to do a

447
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: post morning before the series is over, but I think

448
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: it's over. I think I saw a stat like the

449
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Speaker 1: last hundred forty six teams to go up three oh

450
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Speaker 1: one one it won the series. I think it's I

451
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: think it's zero. Uh, nobody's ever come back from three zero. Yeah, okay, fine,

452
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: let's do the postmortem. Uh, so Fish, I need to

453
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: get so the man. Well, actually we need to back

454
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: up a little because the MAVs front office has gone

455
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 1: through some some stuff in the last twelve months. They

456
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Speaker 1: had Nelson, they had the hard Labob Gambler, guy who's

457
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: been booted. Mark Cuban is dealing with some brush fires.

458
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: You've got the ongoing lawsuit. Um I, I don't know

459
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: if the maths they could take multiple routes here. Do

460
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: you just say, you know what, we got to the

461
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Speaker 1: conference finals. We run it back, which is kind of

462
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 1: the Hawks what they did and we saw how that

463
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: worked out. Um, they can do some sort of you know,

464
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: sign and trade with Brunson, Maxi Kleiber. This summer will

465
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: be an expiring, right, power will be expiring. Could you

466
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: package those two? Um, they've got options? Right, that's a

467
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: good thing, But the bad thing is how do they

468
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Speaker 1: get Fish a number two? Right? Janice has Middleton as

469
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Speaker 1: his two true Holidays his three. Okay? Um, you know Tatum,

470
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: Brown and Smart are a good trio. Butler Bahm and

471
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Speaker 1: Tyler Hero you go on down the list, Yo, Kitchen, Murray,

472
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Speaker 1: Michael Porter, um Lebron, Anthony Davis. Question Mark, Um, So,

473
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Speaker 1: I don't even know if Brunson is really a two.

474
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Speaker 1: He kind of strikes me. Would you say he's a three?

475
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: He's not even. And again, I have a great deal

476
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Speaker 1: respect for what he's done. This is a second round

477
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Speaker 1: draft pick, right, He's exceeded all expectations very much so

478
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Speaker 1: to his great credit, Rick Carlisle the day he showed

479
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: up said he's a he's a professional basketball player the

480
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Speaker 1: day they drafted him. That's how he handles himself as

481
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Speaker 1: a person at Villanova, the national titles, all the rest.

482
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Speaker 1: But no, he listen, he might be a number six. No,

483
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: come on, you don't think he's at least a three

484
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Speaker 1: on a if he's your third best player. If yeah,

485
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: if he's your third. But I mean Drew Holiday, remember

486
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Speaker 1: was I think a two to Anthony Davis has one

487
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, they could never go anywhere. Then he

488
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: becomes a three, and presto, it's like, oh my gosh,

489
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: this team is awesome. Um, but then he had to

490
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Speaker 1: be a two when Middleton got hurt, and he really

491
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: couldn't be the number two guys. I mean, the original

492
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: plan for Bronson was because he was gonna leave the bench,

493
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: mob m m. He's gonna be the point guard coming

494
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: off the bench, and then he had seen expectations. Now

495
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: the Knicks obviously are hot on him, and I think

496
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Speaker 1: his dad likes that idea. The Knicks. The Knicks are

497
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Speaker 1: gonna have to take a really hard look at whether

498
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Speaker 1: or not he's because in New York, not only two,

499
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: he's tied for a one. The way that roster might

500
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: be structured, the Mavericks privately insists they have no plans.

501
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: First of all, they're not going to cooperate, they say

502
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Speaker 1: on a sign and trade. I think they think they're

503
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Speaker 1: gonna Keete Runson. But but your your point is good,

504
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: so you keep Runson. So how do you get better? Oh?

505
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: We love uh Dwight Powell. Okay, but how do you

506
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: get better? Uh? I don't think. I don't think sitting

507
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: on this and saying we're gonna this particular roster is

508
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: simply gonna grow into being a lebron Ester, you know.

509
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: Super That's not that's not happening. And at this moment,

510
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: we're not in a super team moment, but that is

511
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515
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Speaker 1: is a sentiment that the super Team error is kind

516
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: of over because it's very difficult to fashion the rest

517
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: of your roster outside of the big three. Um, you know,

518
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: the Warriors kind of pivoted quickly the Clippers third guy.

519
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: I you could argue, like Reggie Jackson, who was borderline

520
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: like on his way out of the league like three

521
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: years ago. Um, is there is there a scenario where

522
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Speaker 1: Luca Hardaway Brunson are your big three? I don't think

523
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: how that How on paper does that beat? Uh? Going

524
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: just going over the recent years, going what the Clippers had, Yeah,

525
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: on paper, that's not even close to Lebron and a D. Again,

526
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: that didn't work for a lot of reasons. Uh, what

527
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Speaker 1: you just said about Miami, what you just said about Boston,

528
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: what you just said about Denver Um. You know, I

529
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: think those are mountains to climb, just like the O

530
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: and three hole is a mountain to climb. I do

531
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Speaker 1: think that that the Mavericks learned something and maybe we

532
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: should take a lesson from all this to remember they

533
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: win the title. And then before I mentioned, Donnie Nelison

534
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: and Mark Cuban together decided and it was the hardest

535
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: thing was I think it was my hardest decision Mark

536
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: Cuban ever made here. We're gonna break up this championship team.

537
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: Why because we we know we caught lightning in a bottle.

538
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: We know that this group can't do it again. And

539
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: those players were so pissed when they were basically told listen,

540
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: that wasn't really us. You can't really do that again.

541
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: Jason Terry, you're not going to really be better than

542
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: Lebron James. You're just better at one time. J J. Barret,

543
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be better than Lebron James either. Uh Uh.

544
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: Chandler goodbye, goodbye Candler, goodbye. Uh. It would have been

545
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: much easier for Cuban to say, you know what, we

546
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: want a title. I'm just gonna sit and there. We're

547
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: just gonna keep having the parade go round and round

548
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: and round. I'm gonna bring everybody back, and who cares

549
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: what they do. Instead, they broke up the gang to

550
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: try to do it again. I think that is a

551
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: lesson here. I think I think you break up the

552
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: gang and go when you recognize that we're not good

553
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: enough and they're not good enough. Okay, okay, let's tie

554
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: take a time out there, Mike. Break up the gang

555
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: easier said than done, Like I would love to I

556
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: would love to dump some of these guys. Like in

557
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: the hindsight, the Burtons deal does not look great now

558
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: he's had his moments, but you could also say he's

559
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: kind of unplayable against the Warriors. Uh, he's on the

560
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: hook next year, sixteen, then seventeen, then the player option,

561
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: which you know he's taken. Um. I guess didn't what

562
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: he could be moved, but I floated this on the

563
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: pod yesterday, like, is there a scenario where they kind

564
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: of try to you know, Jalen brought into the Knicks.

565
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: Can you give us Julius Randall and return? Now I

566
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: don't know how they would feel about that, but Julius Randall,

567
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: can he be a two? He was a number one

568
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: on a nixt team that got to the playoffs, so

569
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: they couldn't get out of the first round. Randall as

570
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: your small ball five from DFW. So a lot of

571
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: people like that idea. The Mavericks organization has never been

572
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: in loved with that idea, at least the previous administration

573
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Speaker 1: never was your point about, by the way, about doing

574
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Speaker 1: a post mortem. Note that Jason Kidd said it last

575
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: night too. He said he talked about how you got

576
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: to go through this to get there, and and it

577
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: was a concession speech, so he knows they're not winning

578
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Speaker 1: the series. So it's okay that we're having this conversation.

579
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: We're talking about. What we're talking about here is how

580
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: do you lure somebody here? Um, if if nobody wants

581
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: to come here, it doesn't matter if you trade for him,

582
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: they'll just they'll just pull it James Harden and just

583
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: say no, Well wait to fish to find nobody wants

584
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: to come here. Is that Dallas is not an attractive

585
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: free agent. Destination or playing with can be difficult. And yeah,

586
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: there's circumstances that explain every one of them. But this

587
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: organization has finished second on SUP on Superstar Pursuits a lot,

588
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: and third Bridesmaids a lot. So the Lakers forever to

589
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: pardon me, the Lakers kind of had went through that

590
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: for a good ten years and the Knicks have been

591
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: going through for fifteen. Maybe the Knicks are a great

592
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: example of you would think that New York is attractive, um,

593
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: and maybe it doesn't work that way, But the Lakers,

594
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: let's take I mean, you're taking a little bit of

595
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: a microscopic view let's take a more telescopic view. The

596
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: Lakers for sixty years have been that's just not fair

597
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: the Lakers for sixty years. And one of the reasons is,

598
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: and I've said this to Cuban, he kind of thinks

599
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: it's funny. If if I recruit you to the Lakers,

600
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Speaker 1: you get to live in Malibu, take a helicopter to practice,

601
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: and when practice is over, you get to go be

602
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: an executive producer on a movie. M I said to Cuban,

603
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: get me an ocean and a mountain, and I bet

604
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: you people will come here by you know, Dallas, Listen.

605
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean I chose to live here. I've lived here

606
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: for thirty three years. I wouldn't change the thing. I

607
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: bet you. I bet you like Dallas and DFW North Texas.

608
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: But it doesn't have that same appeal. I mean, it

609
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: just doesn't mean. I might think it does, and you

610
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: might think it does, but the record shows that it

611
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: does well. Again, I know the tax purposes matter to

612
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. That being said, I'm looking at

613
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Speaker 1: the two thousand eleven roster with Dirk, and we're looking

614
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: at UH clutch role players like veteran Pagia veteran Jason Terry,

615
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: Shawn Mary and the matrix was in like his eleven season,

616
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd was like thirty five, Heywood Chandler, you could

617
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: get veterans around your star guy in Dirk. I mean,

618
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: going by the one two three theory, I don't even

619
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: know who was the number two on that team. Yeah,

620
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: I mean it was Jason Kids. I mean, Jason Kids

621
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, um. But there was nights when

622
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: he was he was it was just driving the train.

623
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: He just had his hands on the wheel. Um. Maybe

624
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: it's good that that team took turns, but again it

625
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: was flukey. And I say that I love that team,

626
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: and I admire of those guys, and I'm friendly with

627
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of those guys. But they caught lightning in

628
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: a bottle and they know they did the other thing

629
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Speaker 1: they did. And this is why you know how patient

630
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Speaker 1: you want to be in the Luca era, because you know,

631
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Speaker 1: Dirk was here for twenty years and now it still

632
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: seems like it went by really fast. They they did

633
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: the paper clip to a house trade back then. They

634
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: if you look at how that Maverick team was built, um,

635
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: it was you know, I traded a paper clip for

636
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: a pen. I traded a pen for a computer. I

637
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: traded a computer for a car, and I traded the

638
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: car for a house. I mean, you know, Antoine Walker

639
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: was how you got Jason Kidd, I mean Jason Terry.

640
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Speaker 1: And you know, at the time, nobody thought it was

641
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: very lopsided. It turned out to be terribly lopsided. Uh So,

642
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: you know the the acquisition of Tyson Chandler. Remember he

643
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: had the foot problem. Yeah, so they were trying to

644
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: hit a home run that summer. And I remember when

645
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: that happened. I was in New York when it happened,

646
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, and I wrote and did

647
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: on the radio. I said, you know, they got a

648
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: bunch of singles, they got Tyson channel right. Well, his

649
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: foot was fine. He should have probably gotten way more

650
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: votes for Defensive Player of the Year. But then he

651
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: never did that again, never quite did that again. So yeah,

652
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: give me some paper clips turning into houses. I'm all

653
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: for it. But it happened once. Here. There's a reason

654
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: the only one one titles because yeah, it's tough to

655
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: win championships. I mean, you know, how many teams do

656
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: I mean last I don't know in this century. How

657
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: many teams have one title, like maybe six? I don't

658
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: even know the total number. But Mike, the other thing

659
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: I need to ask is this rumor out there that

660
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: Cuban and the mass Front office is desperate for some

661
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of rim protector, big guy i e. Rudy Gobert

662
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: or per HAPs DeAndre Ayden. Is there any truth to

663
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: that that they want need slash a big guy thinking

664
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: and this, uh, we don't want any campering here, but

665
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: they have always been admirers of Rudy Goberte. Now and

666
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: here's why you're all jeasing it. I bet were. We

667
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: live in a time where if you can't shoot a three,

668
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: you're you're far too one dimensional most of the time.

669
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Speaker 1: So you better be really good at the one dimension.

670
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd after the Utah series where the Mavericks one said,

671
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, this can be different against the Suns. They

672
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: have centers who can actually score. And he wasn't trying

673
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: to be mean, He's just being factual. H So you

674
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: know how many one dimensional guy? You know, Rudy Gobert,

675
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: you go in and shot, Okay, now you come out.

676
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: We gotta put Maxi Kliba in so he can shoot

677
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: that's that's imperfect, certainly. Yeah, I just I mean, I

678
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's some chatter out there that, oh, I

679
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,959
Speaker 1: think Rudy Gobert's a gent lives in Dallas, and there's

680
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: just a lot of connections with Gobert and the MAVs.

681
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: I just wonder, like, if you look fish at the

682
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: team's next year that are at the top of the West,

683
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: the two that I see obviously are the Warriors, and

684
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: they don't have a center, Kevin Looney maybe placed twenty

685
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: minutes at night. And then the other team I think

686
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: is going to be the Clippers next year. People are

687
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: sleeping on them bouncing back. But Kauai healthy, Paul George healthy. Uh,

688
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: they barely play a center. They've got all wings. And

689
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: then of course you've got you know, Yokich being the

690
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: only big guy with Murray and Porter. But I mean again, like,

691
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: I just don't see the infatuation with the center, and

692
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: are you really giving up shooting for a center? Well

693
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Speaker 1: you if you want to give me DeAndre eight And

694
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: that's a different conversation. No, I don't. I have no

695
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: intel on what he wants or what he thinks or whatever. Wait,

696
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: he he wants the world. DeAndre wants all that, he said,

697
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: he's settling for nothing under a max and you're giving

698
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: him a max deal. Yes, WOWDH and Monty Williams Coach

699
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: of the Year. Had the Phoenix Suns given him the ball?

700
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: Beaten the marriage? Okay, okay, all right, Well I I

701
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: did an entire podcast last week. I read a story

702
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: on DeAndre Aden and his video game obsession and how

703
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: he stays up until five in the morning, this real story.

704
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: He gave quotes and everything, DSPN. He stays up until

705
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: four or five am playing video games, talking to his

706
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: family back in the Bahamas, and when he was suspended

707
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago during the pandemic, he was

708
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: literally playing video games around the clock, and like he's

709
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: obsessed with it, and you start to wonder, like this

710
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: is not a guy who's calling for the ball, Like

711
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: is the work ethic there fish if he's playing video

712
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: games literally every night? And again, this is not like

713
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: scure less rumors. This is DeAndre And like, hey, come

714
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: to a story on me playing video games all the

715
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: freaking time, and I just wonder, is that some guy

716
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: you want to pay a young guy max money like that?

717
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: And then you know Kobe Bryant is in the building early.

718
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: All the hard working guys, John Stockton, Steph Curry, these

719
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: guys are tireless, first and last out kind of guys.

720
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: Like that's some kind of matters. I don't know if

721
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: Adan's that dude. I'm not sniffing, Uh Max deal for

722
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, and we I throw Durkdoviski into that

723
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: group of guys who who with help made himself into

724
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: a player through work ethic. James Harden doesn't have it right,

725
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: Uh James Harden. And again I don't. I hope I'm

726
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: not speaking out of school. I don't know James Harden,

727
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: but it seemed to me that he said, I want

728
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: out of Houston. Well, no, we want you to stay here. Well,

729
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna go to a strip club and gain

730
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: forty pounds. That's real, Like he just loves the clubs

731
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: like that's his damn. And I get it. You're a

732
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: thirty one year old multi multi millionaire. You love women

733
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: coming at you like come on here, James Harden, Like

734
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: you look at Ben Simmons Jason like you're talking to

735
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: the wrong guy about the video game thing. Like video

736
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: games until my nine year old started beating me. Then

737
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: I quit playing mad. Now I can still dominate your

738
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: ass on MS pac Man, but I don't know where

739
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: you know. That was forty years ago, So I can't

740
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: make an intelligent having to sell intelligent discussion on eightan

741
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: and video games. I would say that I don't want

742
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: you to say you're a young just a young pup.

743
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't want you to sound out of touch. I

744
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: think a lot of them play video game A lot

745
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: of guys, well know the yes, yes, a lot often

746
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: undeniably guys play video games, but playing until four or

747
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: five in the morning. And then he said in the story,

748
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: he wakes up, has breakfast, plays another round of video

749
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: games before practice, and I'm like, I just don't know

750
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: how that's gonna fly. Man, um let me put it

751
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: here this way, and this is a sports thing. You've

752
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: heard it before. I think a coach would want to

753
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: take DeAndre. I'll coach him. I'll coach him. You know,

754
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: the seven foot center, the guy who runs a four

755
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: two right, the left handed pitcher. I can coach that guy.

756
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a long time before they give up

757
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: on DeAndre. Okay, So, so so you think hat Eton

758
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: or Gobet is serious. You do you less like the

759
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Julius Randall. What about a guy like John Collins from

760
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: the Hawks who ain't gonna be a number two? But man,

761
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: he is a good big who can step out and

762
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: hit threes. I don't think he's a great three point

763
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: or the organization likes John Collins. Yes, yeah, that that'd

764
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: be a yes. Now again, you know, um, you're we're

765
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: trying to find You're trying to find me a big

766
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: who's not a not a lumbering one dimensional and John

767
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: Collins has a couple of dimensions. Yeah, so that could work.

768
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: But I still go back he's making He's making a

769
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: lot of money. I didn't realize that. But I still

770
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: go back to can I get you to want to

771
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: come here? And Dirk, God bless him, it was never

772
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, didn't play a au ball, he's not friends

773
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: with the fellas. He never got on a banana boat

774
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: with the other superstars. Uh he Um, he's not from here.

775
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: I don't think everybody understood what it is he was

776
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: building when he was building himself. And he didn't go

777
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: to the clubs with the guy. So Dirk did not

778
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: feel comfortable recruiting, and maybe that's too bad, or maybe

779
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: he was being honest with himself. Luca needs to recruit.

780
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: Luca and the Marverige need to tell people, watch what

781
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: I do to your career if you come play with me.

782
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: And if the Marverages don't do that, they will not succeed.

783
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: Luca needs to be a magnet in a way that

784
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: dirt God bless them, never watched. We'll fish that we

785
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: can wrap on this final question and that what you

786
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: just said makes sense, but it's not good news. You

787
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: know who I heard that about. Hey, Lebron, can you

788
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: recruit guys to Cleveland, because the front office can only

789
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: get you, you know, thirty four year old Check and

790
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: thirty three year old Antoine Jamison. And you know what happened.

791
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: Two years later? Lebron was gone. Um I again, I

792
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: asked earlier about Luca because I want to get the

793
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: kind of idea like if Cuban can't build around him,

794
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: can't lure guys to Dallas, do you think Luca bounces? Now?

795
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: We heard this with Jo honest well, they can't get

796
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: anyone in Milwaukee. The front office succeeds with plucking Drew Holiday.

797
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: They got a little Lucky Middleton who by the way,

798
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: they didn't draft. They traded for I think either draft

799
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: night or afterwards. Um, but yeah, there's some luck involved.

800
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: But there I would say there's more pressure on the

801
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: front office to land guys than Luca recruit guys, because

802
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: then you potentially set up for Lebron re dus now

803
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: or if you if you have the right guy like

804
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: Dirk and Janice. And this is a this is a

805
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: very nineteen fifty Middle America thing, although it's Germany and Greece,

806
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: and there's some level of loyalty. You believed in me,

807
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: and so I'm gonna reward you. When they brought Dirk here,

808
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: this city did a good job. Donnie Nelson in particular, Uh,

809
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: who now is the scrowed scourge. Donnie Nelson made this

810
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: little Germany around here for Dirk. Uh created a comfort

811
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: zone for Dirk Nvitski. I'm pretty sure that that's happened

812
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee. He feels like it's home, you honest does.

813
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: And so that's got to be part and parcel with

814
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: what the Mavericks and Luca do together. They need to

815
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: make this Lucaville well at the same time not making

816
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: him feel like he's so all powerful that he gets

817
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: to determine. I think we should change the logo. I mean,

818
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: there's gotta be certain limits to it. But make him

819
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: feel like this is home and as he gets older,

820
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: he gets to be the daddy. That's that's the way

821
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: to make this happen. Believe me, you're you're not off base,

822
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: Mavericks fans, We'll we'll have a little trickle of urine

823
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: going down their legs when I think, what what if

824
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 1: we don't please Luca over the course of the next

825
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: few years. Yeah, all right. He is Mike Fisher. Fish

826
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: Sports is his Twitter handle one oh five three the Fan.

827
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: Hey man, thanks for taking the time. Good luck. It

828
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: feels like the MAVs are gonna be very active this summer.

829
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be busy, busy time for you and uh

830
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: your social media handles and all that stuff. Well, we'll

831
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: have MAVs fun at Dallas Basketball dot com, our Cowboys stuff,

832
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: Cowboys SI dot com. And then I'm on YouTube as

833
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: well with the Fish Report, which we do a million

834
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: times a day. So if you're a Dallas sports guy,

835
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate you helping to introduce what we do, even

836
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for forty years and this is

837
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: my first. It's time on your show. Whatever, we'll see

838
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: again in forty more years. Yeah, hey, man, congratulate YouTube

839
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: channel too. Man, my kids are on YouTube way too much.

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Speaker 1: And uh, that's one thing I've lacked. I haven't really

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Speaker 1: gone on there, but you're crushing a man. Keep up

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Speaker 1: the good work, Mike. Thanks brother, I appreciate you.