1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,080
Speaker 1: We all know the Internet has so much to offer,

2
00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,040
Speaker 1: but there are corners of the Internet you don't want

3
00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,880
Speaker 1: your children going to. So what do you do? There's

4
00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:14,000
Speaker 1: an endless list of complicated, technical, expensive solutions that impact

5
00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,400
Speaker 1: the entire family and require hours of tech support. Circle

6
00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,279
Speaker 1: with Disney found a better way. This awesome little device

7
00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,800
Speaker 1: designed for families manages content and time online for all

8
00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,159
Speaker 1: the devices in your home. Easy to set up. You

9
00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,920
Speaker 1: can filter content, set time limits, even set a bedtime.

10
00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,520
Speaker 1: Each person can have their own setting. This way, your

11
00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,960
Speaker 1: children don't end up in scary internet territory, but mom

12
00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,960
Speaker 1: and dad can still use the Internet to get their

13
00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,720
Speaker 1: work done. Use code Nancy at Circle with Nancy dot com,

14
00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,120
Speaker 1: get ten dollars off your Circle and free shipping Circle

15
00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,800
Speaker 1: with Nancy dot Com, offer code Nancy Thank you Circle

16
00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:07,120
Speaker 1: for protecting our children. And climb stories with Nancy Grace

17
00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,399
Speaker 1: on Serious x M Triumph Channel one thirty two. A

18
00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,679
Speaker 1: three year old a little boy is dead. His mother

19
00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,200
Speaker 1: is charged with child abuse for not getting him medical

20
00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,920
Speaker 1: attention when he was obviously ill. It was revealed that

21
00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,560
Speaker 1: the mother's boyfriend may soon be facing charges in the

22
00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,400
Speaker 1: boy's death. Surchuarren's detailed the little boy's plate, not eating

23
00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,880
Speaker 1: vomiting in the days leading up to his death. Derek

24
00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,600
Speaker 1: wasn't taken to the hospital until a day after he

25
00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,360
Speaker 1: became gravely ill. By then, it was too late to

26
00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,279
Speaker 1: save his life. When doctors discovered a torn and tested

27
00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,520
Speaker 1: twenty two year old Daisy Martinez looked shell shot to

28
00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,640
Speaker 1: be in a White County courtroom on the heels of

29
00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,280
Speaker 1: her young son's death. Three can't talk. You have to

30
00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,160
Speaker 1: be the guardian of that child. You have to be

31
00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,680
Speaker 1: the advocate for that child and know when your child

32
00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,640
Speaker 1: needs to see somebody for professional medical care. A three

33
00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:59,880
Speaker 1: year old child is found dead. The stunning part it

34
00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,400
Speaker 1: could have been stopped. And right now the person you

35
00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,000
Speaker 1: would suspect the least has been arrested. I mean, I see, Grace.

36
00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,360
Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

37
00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,799
Speaker 1: Straight out to John Lemley Crimes Tooris contributing reporter John,

38
00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,520
Speaker 1: what happened Nancy? Police say that twenty two year old

39
00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,560
Speaker 1: Daisy Martinez could have helped her little boy, Eric, but

40
00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,480
Speaker 1: for some reason, she didn't. She's been charged with felony

41
00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,880
Speaker 1: negligent child abuse, leading to Eric's death this past summer.

42
00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,840
Speaker 1: Now Nancy. At the time, Daisy and her two kids

43
00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,680
Speaker 1: were living with Daisy's boyfriend, Ezekiel Gonzalez, in an extended

44
00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,560
Speaker 1: stay motel in Garner, North Carolina. It's a suburb of Raleigh,

45
00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,640
Speaker 1: the state capitol. On August nine, police say something happened

46
00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,240
Speaker 1: to Eric that caused him to get a tear in

47
00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,080
Speaker 1: his intestine that led to sepsis. By the time he

48
00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,040
Speaker 1: was brought to a hospital, too much time had passed.

49
00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,560
Speaker 1: It was just too late, and Nancy, this is the

50
00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,560
Speaker 1: especially heartbreaking part. He died just one day before his

51
00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,079
Speaker 1: fourth birthday. Actually, will joining me, uh, well known child

52
00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,359
Speaker 1: advocate and lawyer, Ashley Willcott Um. You know John Limley,

53
00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,760
Speaker 1: as he recited the facts as we know them right now,

54
00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:24,480
Speaker 1: Really it just kind of glossed over the internal injury.

55
00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,400
Speaker 1: Not only were there internal injuries, there were physical symptoms.

56
00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,520
Speaker 1: So the report is that the boyfriend actually sent video

57
00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,400
Speaker 1: to the mother at work showing the child throwing up,

58
00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,040
Speaker 1: clenching the stomach. That happened all the way through the

59
00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,800
Speaker 1: night when the mother was home. So it's not just

60
00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,480
Speaker 1: there was an internal injury, there were physical signs of

61
00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:52,800
Speaker 1: that injury. To board with the Garner Police Department. Quote,

62
00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,960
Speaker 1: it had to be obvious his child had some kind

63
00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,760
Speaker 1: of internal injury and the parents should have known. The

64
00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,080
Speaker 1: mother should have own that the child needed emergency care.

65
00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,320
Speaker 1: It's so clear to me. Joe Scott Morgan, Forensics Expert,

66
00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,720
Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Joe Scott, this is heinous.

67
00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,000
Speaker 1: This is torture what this little four year old boy

68
00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:24,600
Speaker 1: lived through before he finally mercifully died. Yeah, Nancy, Uh,

69
00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,600
Speaker 1: the tragedy of all of this is that it could

70
00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,640
Speaker 1: have been prevented. Uh. Let me tell you something. Uh.

71
00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,320
Speaker 1: Ruptured intestines do not occur spontaneously. This is something in

72
00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,960
Speaker 1: my experience that's generally associated with blunt force trauma. That

73
00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,960
Speaker 1: means a blow to the abdomen that rips through the

74
00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:49,040
Speaker 1: intestine wall. It's a very painful, slow death. And his

75
00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,560
Speaker 1: his immediate cause of death was listed as sept to

76
00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,839
Speaker 1: seem in just so that people understand at home, except

77
00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,159
Speaker 1: to seem is a horrible way to die. Nancy. You

78
00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:03,000
Speaker 1: have severe nausea, UM, you have dizziness, uh, disorientation, and

79
00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,479
Speaker 1: and most of all, you have a raging fever that

80
00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,360
Speaker 1: just goes throughout the entire body. The body is screaming out, uh,

81
00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,200
Speaker 1: that it's infected, and the child is not being rendered

82
00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,800
Speaker 1: any kind of assistance whatsoever. To Karen's talk Psychologists joining

83
00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,000
Speaker 1: me out of New York, Karen William, it's hard to

84
00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:26,279
Speaker 1: understand how the mother was neglectful in this case, Nancy.

85
00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,520
Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering what she was afraid of, why

86
00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,640
Speaker 1: she wouldn't take him for help, because he was obviously suffering,

87
00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,719
Speaker 1: and I'm suspecting that something was going on that made

88
00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,760
Speaker 1: her resist taking him for help. Well, wait a minute,

89
00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,680
Speaker 1: are you suggesting that she was afraid of what the

90
00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,400
Speaker 1: boyfriend would do to her, or she was afraid she

91
00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,080
Speaker 1: would be arrested. I think she was afraid that she

92
00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,000
Speaker 1: would be arrested, that something was going on there that

93
00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,839
Speaker 1: she needed to keep secret. Well, let me tell you

94
00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,120
Speaker 1: this much. If you're afraid of your boyfriend and your

95
00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,960
Speaker 1: husband or your spouse, that's the one thing. But to

96
00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,440
Speaker 1: stand by and let your child die, that's the whole

97
00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,000
Speaker 1: another thing. And back to what Joseph Scott Morgan was saying,

98
00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,279
Speaker 1: this was not an illness, This was not uh that

99
00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,560
Speaker 1: they didn't know how high his fever was, didn't realize

100
00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,320
Speaker 1: he had step to seemia. No, he was suffering from

101
00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:27,520
Speaker 1: horrible internal injury, horrible issues. And what were they Joseph, Well, Nancy,

102
00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,000
Speaker 1: what we're talking about here is this, uh, this tear

103
00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,120
Speaker 1: in the intestine, and the intestine is rather resilient. But

104
00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,960
Speaker 1: just to keep in mind that our intestines carry very

105
00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,200
Speaker 1: very nasty little bugs and once they get out, once

106
00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,919
Speaker 1: they get out of that contained area, all kinds of

107
00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,280
Speaker 1: problems can arise. And one more important thing here that

108
00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,280
Speaker 1: that really gives us an idea of neglect in the

109
00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,080
Speaker 1: warrant uh that was put out. One of the things

110
00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,000
Speaker 1: that they alluded to was that this poor little angel

111
00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,440
Speaker 1: was throwing up coffee ground like material. All that means

112
00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,880
Speaker 1: that it's dark, it's granular. Let me tell you what

113
00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,960
Speaker 1: this was. This was semi gelaginous blood that this child

114
00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,240
Speaker 1: was throwing up. Nancy, as a result of this event,

115
00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,680
Speaker 1: it's just absolutely horrible. Well, I gotta tell you, sadly,

116
00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,200
Speaker 1: I knew exactly what you were going to say from

117
00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,960
Speaker 1: having seen it so many times. It comes from internal

118
00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,160
Speaker 1: bleeding and then the blood in your stomach starts to

119
00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,960
Speaker 1: coagulate like it would when you have a cut on

120
00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,160
Speaker 1: your skin. And the little boy was bleeding so much

121
00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,600
Speaker 1: internally that it was coagulating in his stomach and he

122
00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,160
Speaker 1: would start throwing it up. Now, I want to go

123
00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,400
Speaker 1: back to the facts. To John Limley Crime Stories investigative

124
00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:50,000
Speaker 1: reporter John Uh, the boyfriend sent the mother video of

125
00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:58,080
Speaker 1: the little boy just vomiting up coagulated jellofied blood. Why

126
00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,480
Speaker 1: why did he do that? This is not quite understood

127
00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,560
Speaker 1: just yet. The approve of investigators are still trying to

128
00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,240
Speaker 1: figure out why the video was even made in the

129
00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,280
Speaker 1: first place, let alone sent to the mother. The search

130
00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,960
Speaker 1: warrants detailed the little boy's plight. Uh he was not eating,

131
00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,640
Speaker 1: vomiting in the days leading up to his death, and

132
00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,960
Speaker 1: finally his jaw locked up and he became unresponsive. At

133
00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,440
Speaker 1: this point, his mother finally took him to the hospital,

134
00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,880
Speaker 1: but it was just too late. As for why charges

135
00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,400
Speaker 1: have just now been brought in this case, police say

136
00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,560
Speaker 1: their aim from the very beginning has been to practice

137
00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,480
Speaker 1: due diligence, that they've been conducting a thorough investigation for

138
00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,200
Speaker 1: over three months now about these injuries that resulted in

139
00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,360
Speaker 1: the death of a child. Their goal, police say, is

140
00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,319
Speaker 1: to provide solid justice for little Eric, and that they

141
00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,320
Speaker 1: want to be confident about every element in their case.

142
00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,199
Speaker 1: You might be able to help me on this, Karen Stark,

143
00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,840
Speaker 1: psychologist to New York. The officials at Wake matt Hospital

144
00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,079
Speaker 1: and Garner immediately called police after his parents bring him

145
00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,600
Speaker 1: there the night uh that they finally finally bring him

146
00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,120
Speaker 1: to the e er. They knew immediately police should be called,

147
00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,839
Speaker 1: explained Karen why they had to call police because no,

148
00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,120
Speaker 1: and it was it was a clear case of neglect, Nancy.

149
00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:28,240
Speaker 1: Somebody should have brought him to that hospital right away,

150
00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,280
Speaker 1: and so they understood that there was something going on

151
00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,880
Speaker 1: there that needed to be investigated. That's when police are

152
00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,720
Speaker 1: called when there's negligence, when there's abuse. I'm taking a

153
00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,839
Speaker 1: look at all of the documents right now. I want

154
00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,600
Speaker 1: to go back to something. Ashley Wilcott, child advocate. The

155
00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:51,080
Speaker 1: boyfriend sends this video to the mother and it's of

156
00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:56,360
Speaker 1: the little boy vomiting, vomiting, vomiting a blood. Do you think, Ashley,

157
00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,240
Speaker 1: he's asking her, do you want me to take him

158
00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,160
Speaker 1: to the hospital? Look what's happening. I don't know what

159
00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,240
Speaker 1: to do or was there a more uh nefarious intent

160
00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,400
Speaker 1: of sending that video? Like look what I did? I

161
00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,240
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that. We don't know the answer.

162
00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,360
Speaker 1: But the cynic in me says more nefarious. I do

163
00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,439
Speaker 1: not believe that it was a oh wow, look at him?

164
00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,480
Speaker 1: Should I call the doctor? Any person would know, whether

165
00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,880
Speaker 1: you're a boyfriend, a mother, a friend, or a stranger,

166
00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,440
Speaker 1: any person would know when a child's that's sick, you

167
00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,600
Speaker 1: go to the doctor. So I don't think it was

168
00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,400
Speaker 1: an innocent Oh look, he's sick. Should I go to

169
00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,600
Speaker 1: the doctor? I think there's something more nefarious because the

170
00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,760
Speaker 1: other thing, factually, we know there was a domestic assault

171
00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,880
Speaker 1: call to this particular home as well, so there's some

172
00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,400
Speaker 1: other situations going on in this home. Well, frankly, I

173
00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,800
Speaker 1: don't care what's going on between the two of them.

174
00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm worried about the little boy who is now dead. Okay,

175
00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,160
Speaker 1: now here's another thing. What about this? Actually? Will gott

176
00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,679
Speaker 1: digest this and intre print She's charged, not him? Now?

177
00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,319
Speaker 1: That suggests to me he was sending the video going

178
00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,520
Speaker 1: what should I take him to the hospital. I don't

179
00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,880
Speaker 1: get it. I honestly, just reviewing all the facts in

180
00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,200
Speaker 1: this case as we know them at this point in time,

181
00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,360
Speaker 1: I honestly cannot imagine or understand why the boyfriend has

182
00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,560
Speaker 1: not been charged because again, he was there too. You know,

183
00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,680
Speaker 1: maybe Nancy in the best flight, maybe he was saying,

184
00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,240
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, your son sick. This is terrible. We

185
00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,440
Speaker 1: need to go to the doctor. I'm just suspicious. I

186
00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,000
Speaker 1: don't buy it. I don't buy. What I don't buy

187
00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,160
Speaker 1: is the fact that the injuries were there so long.

188
00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,480
Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator that stept to

189
00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,800
Speaker 1: see me a set in. Now, what that is is

190
00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,719
Speaker 1: um blood poisoning, and a lot of times people get

191
00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,160
Speaker 1: it in the hospital. You get it when you have

192
00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,640
Speaker 1: an injury or an infection, and an infection gets in

193
00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,520
Speaker 1: and it takes over your whole body and it kills

194
00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,800
Speaker 1: you pretty quickly. Joe Scott does what's really what's really

195
00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,000
Speaker 1: tragic about this? For me, as as someone that's that's

196
00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,040
Speaker 1: been involved in forensic science, I know this area well

197
00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,559
Speaker 1: where they are there there within a very short distance

198
00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,439
Speaker 1: of some of the finest medical treatment in the nation, Nancy,

199
00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,880
Speaker 1: and they couldn't find it within themselves, uh to reach

200
00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,520
Speaker 1: out and try to help this child. This could have

201
00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,240
Speaker 1: been stemmed from the beginning when a child sustains If

202
00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,600
Speaker 1: this is what happened sustains blunt force trauma to the abdomen.

203
00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,880
Speaker 1: This is something that needs to be looked at in

204
00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,559
Speaker 1: the immediate. It really makes me think what else is

205
00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,720
Speaker 1: going on, what else is going on with other little

206
00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,600
Speaker 1: ones that might be under their care, and what is

207
00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,120
Speaker 1: it that is stopping this man from asking for help

208
00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,600
Speaker 1: that he has to send a video of this poor

209
00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,360
Speaker 1: child suffering to the mother who is at work. Did

210
00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,280
Speaker 1: she do something? Did she do something? Did she perpetrate something?

211
00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,400
Speaker 1: I think that's a big question going forward. Had she

212
00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,160
Speaker 1: told him do not call anybody? And that's something that's

213
00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,800
Speaker 1: gonna be found out, hopefully very soon. Well, we know

214
00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:10,360
Speaker 1: that the injury the autopsy revealed was trauma caused by

215
00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:16,839
Speaker 1: force to his abdomen to the extent he tore his intestine,

216
00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:24,720
Speaker 1: resulting in a fatal infection. So something hit him or

217
00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:30,360
Speaker 1: force so strong and actually tore his intestine. I mean,

218
00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:36,080
Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcote, can you imagine the pain? I mean, okay,

219
00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,400
Speaker 1: don't laugh, Ashley, Okay, because you know my daughter. This

220
00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:45,240
Speaker 1: was about two years ago. She don't start laughing you either.

221
00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,600
Speaker 1: Jackie just turned around. She got a splinter and she

222
00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,520
Speaker 1: was having a fit, and when she would see me

223
00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,360
Speaker 1: come toward her with a needle or the tweezers, she

224
00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:01,120
Speaker 1: would go berserk. Okay, So finally it's a planter, Ashley,

225
00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:06,880
Speaker 1: a splinter. I drove to three med firsts until I

226
00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,600
Speaker 1: could get her in there so a nurse could remove it.

227
00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,360
Speaker 1: And what did she do? She just plugged it out

228
00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:18,920
Speaker 1: with tweezers. But it killed me to see Lucy crying

229
00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,720
Speaker 1: and talking about all the pain and her fingers. I mean,

230
00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,080
Speaker 1: I knew it as a splinter, okay, but still seeing

231
00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,440
Speaker 1: her like that, I'm like, Okay, get in the car.

232
00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,760
Speaker 1: We're going to the doctor right now. I could you know,

233
00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,200
Speaker 1: I could not stand it. This child went, I know,

234
00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:41,840
Speaker 1: for an entire day, overnight through the next day, in

235
00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,600
Speaker 1: this pain of a torn intestine. I can't imagine either.

236
00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,680
Speaker 1: They tortured this child by allowing the child to be

237
00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,880
Speaker 1: in that kind of pain, and in conjunction with the

238
00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,120
Speaker 1: amount of pain you know, the child was in. And

239
00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm like you, I see my child crying, what do

240
00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,000
Speaker 1: you do to fix it? You don't let it go

241
00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,239
Speaker 1: and go? They tort or this child. But in addition

242
00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,520
Speaker 1: to that, I cannot imagine the amount of force this

243
00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,960
Speaker 1: child had to incur to even have the torn and

244
00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,120
Speaker 1: testine in the first place, So it's it's worse on

245
00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,760
Speaker 1: top of worse. Well, another thing that factors into it,

246
00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,960
Speaker 1: And I want to ask you about this, John Linley,

247
00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,440
Speaker 1: Crime Stories contributing investigative reporter, is that text messages on

248
00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,880
Speaker 1: the mom and the boyfriend's phone show they were arguing

249
00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,400
Speaker 1: via text while all this was happening. Were they arguing

250
00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,200
Speaker 1: about the boy? I don't know, but I know that

251
00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,160
Speaker 1: just adds on to it. They're so busy in their argument.

252
00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:41,360
Speaker 1: The boy is dying, the baby is dying. John. Is

253
00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,320
Speaker 1: it true they were having this text argument? It appears

254
00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,520
Speaker 1: to be so. Investigators have a lot of questions about

255
00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,920
Speaker 1: these text messages. Uh, in addition to actually what happened

256
00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,480
Speaker 1: to cause these injuries in the first place. Neighbors in

257
00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:03,640
Speaker 1: the the Extended Stay hotel where the people were staying, uh, Daisy,

258
00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,160
Speaker 1: her boyfriend, and the two boys UM. One resident in

259
00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:13,520
Speaker 1: the hotel where the child lived with these uh, these three,

260
00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,760
Speaker 1: these four actually Um stated that he often see the

261
00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,920
Speaker 1: boys crying. One time, this particular neighbor even asked the

262
00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,360
Speaker 1: boys if they were okay, and they became even more

263
00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:32,320
Speaker 1: upset by that simple question. Yeah, the neighbor says, every

264
00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,880
Speaker 1: time I came downstairs, like on my way to work,

265
00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,200
Speaker 1: the children are always crying, and I was always wondering

266
00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,680
Speaker 1: what's wrong. I asked the little boys, are you okay?

267
00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,240
Speaker 1: And they just burst out into tears. Okay. When you

268
00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,080
Speaker 1: hear the story like I do, it breaks my heart

269
00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,960
Speaker 1: so much that I don't know what to do. I

270
00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:03,960
Speaker 1: know I can't fix this, but what I can do

271
00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,040
Speaker 1: is report on it. What I can do is urge

272
00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:14,520
Speaker 1: everyone hearing this story. If you suspect a child is

273
00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:22,240
Speaker 1: being hurt or being neglected, please call authorities. If you're wrong,

274
00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:28,040
Speaker 1: you're wrong, but you're right to try. When I think

275
00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,720
Speaker 1: of these two little boys crying every time the neighbors

276
00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,800
Speaker 1: saw them, and now this one little angel is dead,

277
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:44,160
Speaker 1: He's gone, and he suffered so horribly. Authorities say more

278
00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:49,160
Speaker 1: charges are likely to be handed down, and I am

279
00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,399
Speaker 1: awaiting an appointment with Lady Justice. I want to pause

280
00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,119
Speaker 1: and thank our partner who was making today's program possible

281
00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,760
Speaker 1: where we expose what was done to this little child,

282
00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,520
Speaker 1: and that sponsor is circle with Disney. I want to

283
00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,680
Speaker 1: talk to your parent, to parent, we know there's so

284
00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:16,399
Speaker 1: many dangers our children face every day. Why have a

285
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,600
Speaker 1: danger at home? I'm talking about the Internet. And yes,

286
00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,639
Speaker 1: I use the Internet with my children all the time.

287
00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:27,920
Speaker 1: We research all their school projects, everything together. But their

288
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,800
Speaker 1: world is now the Internet. But there are spots of

289
00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,520
Speaker 1: the Internet I don't want them to be and it's

290
00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,000
Speaker 1: hard to monitor what they're up to. Sneak up on

291
00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,080
Speaker 1: them all the time. I catch Lucy watching cat videos

292
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,399
Speaker 1: and John David on Minecraft or as I like to

293
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,040
Speaker 1: bother him and say minecraft or But there's so many

294
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,199
Speaker 1: places I don't want them on the Internet. Now, there

295
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,280
Speaker 1: are complicated, technical, expensive ways you can get some tech

296
00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,639
Speaker 1: pro to come in and install hardware and software that

297
00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,119
Speaker 1: affects everybody in the home, whole family. So what do

298
00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,720
Speaker 1: you do, sir Coal With Disney it's a beautiful little

299
00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,359
Speaker 1: device designed for families to manage content and time online

300
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,200
Speaker 1: for all the devices in your home. Yes, I said all.

301
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,600
Speaker 1: You can filter content, set time limits, even set up

302
00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,960
Speaker 1: a bad time. It's easy. Even I could do it.

303
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,000
Speaker 1: Everybody in the family. Here's the here's the golden part

304
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,359
Speaker 1: can have their own setting. That way, children do not

305
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,760
Speaker 1: end up in the dark Internet. But mom and dad

306
00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 1: can still use the internet to research and get their

307
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,240
Speaker 1: work done. Offer code Nancy in a and see why.

308
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,400
Speaker 1: Use it at Circle with Nancy dot com, get ten

309
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,479
Speaker 1: bucks off your Circle and free shipping. We are using

310
00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,560
Speaker 1: it here in our home. It's so easy. John David

311
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 1: set it up. My son, my ten year old, and

312
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 1: I want to thank Circle for what you've done for

313
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 1: my family and for being our partner. Today, a little

314
00:19:54,560 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 1: boy is dead, just before his fourth birthday, still three

315
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:05,680
Speaker 1: years old. Why No, he was not a victim in

316
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 1: a car accident. Uh no, he didn't have an illness.

317
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, he suffered at home, horrible, horrible pain from

318
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 1: ripped intestines. Mommy's living boyfriend actually sent Mommy a video

319
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 1: of the child vomiting up congealed blood. Why in the

320
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 1: last hours we learned mommy has been charged with felony

321
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,400
Speaker 1: child neglect and joining me right now a very special

322
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 1: guest who was taking time out of the investigation to

323
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 1: join us. It is Captain Joe Bens from the Garner

324
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 1: p D. Captain, thank you so much for being with us,

325
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. You know, Captain, I know

326
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,400
Speaker 1: you can't reveal everything to us as of right now.

327
00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 1: She's charged with felony child neglect. I of course you

328
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 1: know me, Captain, I think she should have been charged

329
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: with homicide. But let me ask you how this whole

330
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: investigation unfolded for your team? What happened? Sure, we got

331
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 1: called to a local hospital here in Garner, North Alanna. UM.

332
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 1: The doctors were seeing or or working on this child

333
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 1: and they gave us a call. The child came into

334
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: the hospital, he was unconscious, he was not responsive, UM

335
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: and so the the hospital staff contacted us and we

336
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 1: responded out to the hospital. The Garner Police Department said,

337
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 1: this boy, this sweet child, died of internal injuries and

338
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,120
Speaker 1: its twenty two year old mother is accused of not

339
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 1: getting him medical treatment in a timely manner. Captain, how

340
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: long does your team think this boy suffered before he died?

341
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: At this point, we really don't know. And that's that's

342
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 1: one of the heartbreaking things is is that we're still

343
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: trying to determine how long, how long does child suffered,

344
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: We're trying to determine how how this actually occurred. We're

345
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, um who may be responsible for

346
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: the actual injury itself. So there's just a lot of

347
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: pieces we still haven't put together yet and we're still

348
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: working on that, UM. But certainly the child should us

349
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: receive some medical care much more promptly, UM, and we

350
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 1: could we have a totally different conversation if you well,

351
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: I know that he cried all through the night, suffering.

352
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: The next day mom goes to work, he's still suffering.

353
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: She comes home and tries to feed him some grapes,

354
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: and that's when they realized his jaws had locked. Now,

355
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm just a j D. I'm not an m D.

356
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: But when your jaws lock, that is bad. And because

357
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: of the internal injuries, they had been there at least

358
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 1: long enough for infection to set in. Now with the

359
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: body that that could be very quickly set This moves

360
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: very quickly. I'm thinking, uh, captain with me, everybody, Captain

361
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: Joe Bin's I know the mom is charged right now.

362
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that injury forensically and had to be

363
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: a very powerful blow to the boy's abdomen to rip

364
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: his intestines. And you typically think a man did it,

365
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: But what if he were kicked by a grown woman

366
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: That could result in the same thing. I mean, how

367
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: can you isolate who did what? Of course, this is

368
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,959
Speaker 1: not a natural injury. That's what we're trying to do

369
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 1: is kind of narrow down a time frame for one

370
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: to ocur. So that'll helpe us, help us identify who

371
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: was with the child potentially when this injury occurred, and

372
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: that will help us staring down to who we should

373
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: focus on as far as injury itself. Is it true

374
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: what we have read that the boyfriend to live in

375
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: sent the mom a video of the little boy coughing

376
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: up congealed blood. That's great, there there's some evidence that

377
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: we received. Again this that goes to the whole point

378
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: of when you have this a symptom, you have the

379
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: symptoms you've described just a while ago, any parent should

380
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: know that child needs immediate medical care. And that's why

381
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: this child, uh was you said before? He suffered And

382
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: so that's why this parent was charged. And again our

383
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: job now from this point for it is to find

384
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: out how that actually occurred, when it occurred, and narrowed

385
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: down to potentially who might have been the one that

386
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: caused it. Well, you know where I stand, Captain, because

387
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: if if he is not a person of interest, he

388
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: is not a suspect. If the boyfriend did this thing.

389
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: If he did and the mom let it happen. Then

390
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: she's just in the same pot as him. If the

391
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: mother did it and to live in boyfriend stood by

392
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: and did not take him to the doctor, they should

393
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: both phase trial on these charges. But what is really disturbing,

394
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: and you brought this up, captain, is the time period,

395
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: all right, letting that standing there, letting the child be

396
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: in a fetal position, in pain, vomiting up congealed blood.

397
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: When you're vomiting up blood, you're in trouble, Captain. You

398
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: are in and deadly, deadly circumstances. And they did nothing.

399
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: They did nothing, Captain, that's great. Yeah, And then again

400
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: that's what makes this such an unfortunate insn't because if

401
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: if that child received timely care, we don't Again, we

402
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: don't know if you're having the same conversation or not.

403
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: Of course we can't predict that, but we just don't.

404
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: We don't know what kind of conversation would we have.

405
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: So this this child did stuff with this child, uh

406
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 1: did have an injury that should have been cared for

407
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,239
Speaker 1: or taken to see professional medical assistance long before he

408
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: was um. And again it's up to the d A.

409
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: You're going back to your statement about charges. Um, we

410
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: we just try. Our job is to put the piece together,

411
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: to put that timeline together when things happened, to put

412
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: timelines together for or how it happened. You know, was

413
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: it a kick? Was it was it something just uh,

414
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: something totally different. So we we just don't know right now.

415
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: And I think once we get those answers, then we'll

416
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: of course bring the appropriate charges that we feel or

417
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: at least recommend appropriate charges to our disc attorney that

418
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: we feel is appropriate for that case. So your job,

419
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: of course is to put together all the pieces, collect

420
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: all the evidence. I assume the scene has been processed.

421
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: Another issue is this child had siblings and one thing

422
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: I hate to do Captain has put a little child

423
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: up on the stand. But I'll do it. I will

424
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: absolutely do it because what matters is seeking the truth,

425
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: and it's hard. You you've got to get a child psychologist.

426
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: You've got to have somebody that knows how to talk

427
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: to children that may not be able to verbalize what

428
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: they saw. You gotta go to to neighbors. You got

429
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: to hear what they said when they heard what they saw.

430
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this doesn't just happen overnight. This takes time.

431
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: To put a case like this together when you've got

432
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: a victim that could not really speak for themselves and

433
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to deduce what happened. Is that right? That's great,

434
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: and that's that's the biggest and hardest part of dealing

435
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: with a child victim, UM, particularly the age that they're

436
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: at least, you know, they get a couple of years older,

437
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: you can they can tell you what happened. At least

438
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: you can maybe to coax them into telling you what happened. However,

439
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: this child is only three years old, almost four. His

440
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: younger sibling was was two almost three or somewhere around

441
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: and there. So there again, it's just not a whole

442
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: lot of people speaking up to saying, hey, this is

443
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: what happened to this child. And um, so we have

444
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: two friendsly go on the evidence. We have to identify

445
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: other potential witnesses that might have seen this child, so

446
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: we can put together timelines, put together potential uh causes

447
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: uh for the cat to UM. I mean I got

448
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: into the law business or the business of crime when

449
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: I became a crime victim myself and my fiancee was

450
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: murdered many many years ago, and that really affected the

451
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: rest of my life. I mean, it was over twenty

452
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: years before I could even consider marrying somebody else, you know,

453
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: And then I had waited so long I nearly died

454
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: in childbirth because you know, it was giving birth so

455
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: late in life. I mean, crimes like this affect people

456
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: in ways you never you never can you can't see

457
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: it at the time, how it's going to affect your life.

458
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about that little brother, I'm thinking about

459
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: that child, um, and how in the world you're gonna

460
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: put this case together, Captain. When you see things like

461
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: this and you look at this woman, this mother, she's

462
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: very beauty, a full you know, physically, she's very attractive

463
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: in the picture I see over, it's so hard for

464
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: me to take in someone could be so cruel and

465
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: to their own child. I mean, how do you keep

466
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: reporting to work every day? How do you do it?

467
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: We do it because, um, because of the victims. You know,

468
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: we do it because those victims are there that somebody

469
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: has to be an advocate for those victims. Somebody has

470
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: to be prepared to stand up and say, hey, we're

471
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: going to protect you, or we're gonna help you, or

472
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna get justice for you. And then you know

473
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: that's why you do it. You know, I know you're

474
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: gonna laugh, Captain, But in my personal life, I very

475
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: rarely get angry. It takes a lot to get me angry.

476
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: And my real life, I don't even like conflict. I'm

477
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 1: such a push over with my two children. That's why

478
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: I've got two cats, two dogs, and two guinea pigs

479
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: living here. But Captain, when I hear what happens to

480
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: other people, it just breaks my heart. It just breaks

481
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: my heart. And the other thing is if you don't

482
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: take a stand in court, and you don't take a

483
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: stand in your line of work, that just means the

484
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: purp goes free to hurt another person. You know, it

485
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: doesn't end with this one child or this one victim.

486
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: What about the other little child living in that home? Well,

487
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: thank goodness that child has been removed from the home.

488
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: When that child has been uh is with some other

489
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: family that's going to take care of them. Um and

490
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: from our Child Create services. So again, UM we do it,

491
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: and UM we we take like I said before, we

492
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: we we go into work. We do what we can.

493
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: We make sure the victims have a voice, make sure

494
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: the victims are are received some justice for what occurred. Um,

495
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 1: And that's why you keep going. So you keep doing that,

496
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: keep doing that. Well, let me ask you this, Captain,

497
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: now that I've got you, captain, does it ever bother

498
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: you when you leave work? Because you know, I've thought

499
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 1: about this little boy so much. It just gives me

500
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: so upset. I can hardly stand thinking about what he

501
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: lived through every day coming home. The neighbors said that

502
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: these two little boys cried all the time, right in

503
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: front of the neighbors. I have never once seen my

504
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: children break out in tears when neighbors approached them. These

505
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: children would just break out crying when the neighbors would

506
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: approach them. They were so beside themselves, living in fear,

507
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: living in danger. I mean, does this how do you

508
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: internalize this? To you worry about it at night? Does

509
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: that make you work over time? Do you dream about it?

510
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you deal with seeing this every day?

511
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: The biggest way is you have to be able to

512
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: talk about it um with with other people that are

513
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: going through the same thing. So we we do that

514
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: a lot. Um and police work in general because we

515
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: do see that side of society that a lot of

516
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: people don't see. And we see it routinely. Um So

517
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: I have a great wife at home and two wonderful kids,

518
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: and were you go home and you you you be

519
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: in their moment, you know. And that's something that I'm

520
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 1: glad you said that, Captain, because that really changed my

521
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: life when I had the twins. That allowed me to

522
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: force myself too, just for those moments that I'm with them,

523
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: to give them the happiest mother I can be and

524
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: the most uplifting mother, And it makes me not think

525
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: about crime for just those hours. You know, Captain, just

526
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: hearing your voice and hearing you talk about this case

527
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: makes me know that it is going to be handled

528
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: with the utmost importance because this child will not have

529
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: died in vain. And I want to thank you captain

530
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: for being with us. Oh, thank you very much. I

531
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: appreciate your opportunity. Can win your show and Hay, no pressure,

532
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: but we're watching absolutely there's a lot of people I

533
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: want to our partner making our program possible. Right now,

534
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, everybody and their mother are talking about quote superfoods.

535
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: What is a super food? Every time I I look

536
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: on line, there's a new super food. It's keen law.

537
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: It's a blueberry. It's a sudden choke. I don't even

538
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what's next, but I can tell you this.

539
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 1: Super foods are nutritionally dense foods that are extremely beneficial,

540
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: especially beneficial to your health. Now I do know this. Beats.

541
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: Beats are one of the most powerful super foods you

542
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: can put in your body, loaded with important nutrients to

543
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: increase your blood flow that increases your energy. I need energy,

544
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: but I can't and don't have time to eat a

545
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: gallon of beats every day. But now I can get

546
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: the energy benefits of Beats and a very powerful concentrated

547
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: super food drink super Beats, and I have been drinking it,

548
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: and I can tell a difference. Super Beats is made

549
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: from beats grow to very exacting standards, then they concentrate

550
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: them into super food crystals. Super Beats promotes your body's

551
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: own natural ability for healthier circulation, increased energy stamina. If

552
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: you want those benefits like I do from a powerful

553
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: super food, call eight hundred five one six zero six

554
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: eight three eight hundred five one six zero six eight

555
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: three or go to Nancy's Beats dot com With your

556
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: first order get a free thirty day extra supply a

557
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: super Beats free plus indicators trips to show you how

558
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: super Beats is working for you. Free shipping. Now there's

559
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 1: a deal. They're not going to give you that down

560
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: at the health food store. Okay, super Beats, thank you

561
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: for being with us and being our sponsor today and

562
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: now we travel across the country in the last hours.

563
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: A ten year old little girl, Oh, my stars, that's

564
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: the age of my babies, John, David and Lucy. They

565
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: just turned in. I think there's a chance they still

566
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: believe in Santa Claus. I'm not going to test it

567
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: because then they might tell me no, and I don't

568
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: want to know that. They're just so innocent. They still

569
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: believe fairies live in the backyard. A ten year old

570
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: little girl has been taken off life support two weeks

571
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: after she hangs herself because the classmate posted a video

572
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: of her being bullied on social media. Ten years old,

573
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty months on this beautiful earth, and

574
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: the little thing hung herself. You know. John Limley with

575
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: me Crime Stories, contributing reporter. I could tell the facts,

576
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 1: but I just don't think I can get through them. John,

577
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: what happened? It's tragic to say the very least. A

578
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: Shaunty Davis died at Children's Hospital in Aurora, Colorado. This

579
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: is just east of Denver. Police received a nine one

580
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: one call about ten pm on November six from a

581
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: home in the East Oxford Drive neighborhood on a report

582
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: of a child who was not breathing. The child, Shaunty

583
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: Davis we now know her name, was taken to the

584
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Aurora Medical Center, then transferred to Children's Hospital. Police are

585
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: investigating the death as a suicide hanging. The girl was

586
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: a fifth grader at Sunrise Elementary School in the Charity

587
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: School School district. Should have some response to this, because

588
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, you're our child advocate. This little girl I've

589
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: been being bullied at school and of course the school

590
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: says we don't tolerate bullying. But I can tell you, Ashley,

591
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: even these fancy private schools, they know bullying is happening

592
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: and they don't do anything about it. This little girl

593
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: not only was bullied, she said something to her bully

594
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: and she got a SmackDown at school and it was

595
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: on video and then apparently the bullies uploaded it onto

596
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: something called musical dot l y and she was devastated

597
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: that her SmackDown was now on social media and everybody

598
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: was watching it, Ashley. And here's the worst part. The

599
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: school actually says they don't tolerate bullying. And they say, oh, well,

600
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: that video wasn't made on school property, as if that

601
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: exonerates any knowledge of bullying. Oh, that didn't happen on

602
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: school property, But we all know the bullying that led

603
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: up to her taking that final straw and confronting it

604
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: did happen on school property. So so many different people

605
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: failed this child. And Nancy, I rudely interrupted you earlier

606
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: just to say this. Look at her picture and how

607
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: innocent she looks, just as innocent and sweet and wonderful

608
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: as her own kids look. So and she's ten. A

609
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: ten year old shouldn't even know what it means to

610
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: commit suicide, much less do it because of what's happened

611
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: to him at school. For those of you just joining us,

612
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: a tenure roll. Little Colorado girl has died two weeks

613
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: after she hangs herself because the video of her being

614
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: bullied was posted on social media. Her parents devastated, just

615
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: got Morgan. How would a child even know how to

616
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: do this? That's that's hard that's hard to say. I

617
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: was just contemplating that myself, Nancy, thinking about how does

618
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: a ten year old know to take take some kind

619
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: of ligature and suspend themselves in a closet, because apparently

620
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: that's where she was found, in the closet of her home.

621
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: I'm sure that she was not breathing or had agonal respirations,

622
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: which just means minimal respirations at best. The medical team

623
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: was called, it took at the hospital, and obviously she

624
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: was already past the point of saving at that point. Tom,

625
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: It's just a hopeless situation where I'm sure the child

626
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: had very little brain activity when they brought her into too.

627
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: Then Stark psychologists are joining us out of New York, Karen.

628
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: The mom knew she was afraid. The mom knew the

629
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: little girl was afraid. But I have seen cases, Karen,

630
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: where parents go to the school, go to the school,

631
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: go to the school saying this happened, this happened, this happened,

632
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: and the school says, oh, we haven't heard anything about it.

633
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that happens, Karen, Stark. It

634
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: happens because the school is most concerned with not getting

635
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: the publicity, not getting sued looking good as in this

636
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 1: case where the school went out of their way to say, well,

637
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: this didn't happen on school property, instead of addressing the

638
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: fact that bullying is a very very seriou is offense,

639
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: that it happens, and that this kind of outcome does exist.

640
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: And because of the Internet and the media, children know,

641
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: they understand that you can kill yourself. They understand that

642
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: they could do something as awful as it may seem.

643
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: And so parents really need to be careful and pay

644
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: attention when they hear about any kind of bullying and

645
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: insist that the school do something. Well, the parents are

646
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: now saying the school did not do enough, did not

647
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: do enough to stop the bullying. It's now being called

648
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: bully side, which is a funny name, I know, but

649
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: it really grasps the whole concept. Ashley Willcott, because we're

650
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: hearing about it more and more and more. Ashley, Yeah,

651
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: it's a very common, regrettable thing that we hear about

652
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: in the news. And you know, there was all the

653
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: discussion about the Netflix show Thirteen Reasons Why, and some

654
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: argued that all that was was giving the kids the

655
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: idea if they were bullied, to commit suicide and then

656
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: some argue the opposite, which is it educates people community

657
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: parents about the fact, like we just heard kids know

658
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: what it is to commit suicide. Now now they know

659
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: how to do it, and so we have to be

660
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: even more diligent to educate them about. Oh my god,

661
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: if you are having troubles, being bullied, feeling bad about yourself,

662
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: seek someone out, don't commit to these horrible acts of suicide.

663
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: We've all got to be diligent. What she's talking about.

664
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: It's called Thirteen Reasons Why, and it is a Netflix show. Um,

665
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: it's theatrical, but I believe it's based on a real

666
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: story where a girl kills herself. A young girl kills

667
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: herself as a result of bullying. It's very popular and

668
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: now they say it's a fictional story of a teen

669
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: girl who leaves behind thirteen audio recordings after she kills

670
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: her self, and to my understanding of the show, it

671
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: calls out. Each audio calls out somebody that bullied her,

672
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: and in her death, she becomes popular at school. The

673
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: bullies examine themselves and they quote see the light and

674
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: they change their ways. Many argue this Thirteen Reasons Why

675
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: Netflix show is encouraging young people to kill themselves. They

676
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: don't understand it's forever and popular post mortem. It's not

677
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: quite the same as fame in life. I mean, Joseph's caught, Morgan,

678
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: You've got a young boy? Do you know about this

679
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: thirteen Reasons Why? Only peripherally? And I've never watched it,

680
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: but I can see and this is this is the

681
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: danger with social media, I think, and media in general,

682
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: where things are glorified like this, and it's it's a surreality,

683
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: as I like to referred to it, and it's a

684
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: reality that is unattainable for a lot of these kids.

685
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: It seems as though, and this is certainly outside of

686
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: my area, but it seems as though many of these

687
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: kids are incapable at these young ages of separating fiction

688
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: from reality, or the fiction that is the media world,

689
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: from what true reality is. And it's it's a very

690
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: very dangerous, dangerous situation. Lastly, Wilcott, what about this website,

691
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: musical dot l y that allowed this to be there?

692
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean, other websites are very loosely monitored, but they

693
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: allowed this video of a little girl being bullied to

694
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: to stay online. And this is what's terrible. So musically,

695
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: as the kids tend to call it, at least the

696
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: little the fourth graders that I know call it. Musically

697
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: is very popular with that age, and it's about making

698
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: a video to music, and a lot of it's cute, right,

699
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: Like little girls are little boys dancing and singing songs

700
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: and it's a very cute. So a a lot of

701
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: kids are attracted to that particular website and we'll see

702
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: this terrible video and be Musically is not the place

703
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: for that kind of video. And I don't know how

704
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: it stayed on. I don't know how that wasn't monitored

705
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 1: right the heck off. The other thing I have to say, Nancy,

706
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: is I really need to clarify something that I misstated.

707
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: The school apparently actually said that the video did not

708
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: take place during school hours. They never said it didn't

709
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: occur on the property, but they made clear, Hey, this

710
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: didn't happen during school hours. That still doesn't excuse how

711
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: bullying is handled, but I did want to clarify that factually.

712
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: And I thought it was outside, like in the playground

713
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: of the parking lot. But another issue is the message

714
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: that sends about standing up to your bullies, which is

715
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: what most of us tell our children to do. But

716
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: not only that the mom knew the little girl was afraid.

717
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: She was afraid to go to school, she was afraid

718
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: of bullying. I mean, John Limley Crime Stories contributing porter

719
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: is am I right on. That didn't the mom say

720
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: she knew Ash was afraid? Yes, indeed. And what's so

721
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: ironic about this is this was not a child that

722
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: was ordinarily afraid or or depressed. Shaunty's parents describe her

723
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: as bright and vibrant. The little girl wanted to be

724
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: a w n B A star. However, towards the end

725
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: of October, that little happy girl disappeared. In the video

726
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: of the fight, uh, Ashaunty can be seen wearing pink

727
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: fighting with another girl. And what's amazing is this was

728
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: her very first fight ever. And this whole episode was

729
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: drawn out over the course of by the time of

730
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: her death four weeks because uh, you know, the bullying

731
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: took place, then the fight, then the video, and then

732
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: of course two weeks later she hangs her self, and

733
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: then two weeks later she's taken off life support. Just

734
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: a horrible drawn out story here, Nancy. If I could

735
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: interject just one more thing that that was just that

736
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: striking to me about this thing. You know, when when

737
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: we were all kids, we we had a small little

738
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: sphere that we dealt with. I know that I did

739
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: at least, and the opinions of that group, you know,

740
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: they kind of changed the course of our life in

741
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: many cases. But now just imagine this ten year old girl.

742
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: One thing that she is truly oriented to that we

743
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: might not be is that she understands, or understood maybe

744
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: in some small way, that this thing that happened in

745
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: her life wasn't just with her small little group of friends.

746
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: She starts, she she has a stark reality that this

747
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: whole episode has played out potentially between you know, before

748
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of people that get onto this website.

749
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: How harsh of a reality is that for this little

750
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: this little baby that hasn't had in exposure to the

751
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: real world except through media, and now this is in

752
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: her face. It's it's she's faced with the reality of this.

753
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: It just seems very, very hopeless. And then compound this

754
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: more bullying as other kids tease her about the video,

755
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: which you know, they can all seem musically and they

756
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: are a lot of them. Look at it. It's really

757
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: a website to make little music videos or short videos.

758
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: But they all saw it and then they started bullying

759
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: her and teasing her about that. This is what I know.

760
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: According to the CDC Centers for Disease Control, suicide is

761
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: the second leading cause of death age fifteen twenty four.

762
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: It is the third leading cause of death in children

763
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: age ten to fourteen. Let that sink in. The third

764
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: leading cause of death for children tend to thirteen. That's

765
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: my children, is suicide. They don't understand. It's forever and

766
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: you would think car crash, you know, um, childhood cancer accidents?

767
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: What a suicide? The third leading cause of death of

768
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: children ten to fourteen? And back to this Netflix thirteen

769
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: reasons why that's about a girl's suicide and it shows, Uh,

770
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: it's very glamorized, like people are taking selfies beside Hannah's locker. Okay,

771
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: that she's a celebrity now, and uh, it glorifies the

772
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: whole thing. Now, another thing we know is that four

773
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: percent of preschool children, five percent school age, eleven percent

774
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: at a lessons meet all the criteria from major depression.

775
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: And then this child is thrown into the thick of it.

776
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: Right now, all I can do is pray for ash

777
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: and her family and hope that justice is rained down

778
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: on those parties responsible for this beautiful girl's death. The

779
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline eight hundred to seven three eight

780
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: to five eight hundred two seven three eight two five.

781
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: Take a listen to what ashes parents told Denvers Fox

782
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: thirty one. Listen, we watched our daughters lives slipped through

783
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: our fingers, through our hands, you know what I'm saying,

784
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: And that mirror le didn't come for us. She was

785
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: just a child of joy. You know. She brought joy

786
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: to everyone. She's always been a happy girl. Her parents

787
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: say that changed last month when she confronted some bullies

788
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: after school. She uh got into our first every fight. Uh.

789
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: It was recorded by a student and sent to an

790
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: app uh called Musically. I see. My daughter was scared.

791
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: She was devastated when she found out that it had

792
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: made it to Musically. And then my daughter come home

793
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: two weeks later and hangs herself in the closet. It's

794
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 1: just devastating. They believe she's the victim of what's called

795
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: bully site. When someone takes their own life because of bullying.

796
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: We have to stop it. We have to stop it

797
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: within our kids. And they're hoping a Shaunty story can help.

798
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: It's easy that they can get on Facebook and all

799
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: these apps, but they don't have an app for help.

800
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: I want other parents to know that is happening, that

801
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: was my baby. I love my baby, and I just

802
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: want mothers to just listen. We are trying to solve

803
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: unsolved homicides. We are trying to find missing people, especially children. Here,

804
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: won't you join us? I want to thank our partner

805
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: who was making our program possible. One eight hundred Dentist.

806
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: If you're like everybody else, you've probably had one too

807
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: many sugar retreat over the holiday, and that is why

808
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: you need to schedule an appointment with an awesome dentist

809
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: you find using one eight hundred dentist. The specialist at

810
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: one eight hundred Dentist match you with the local dentist

811
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: that suits your dental needs. For a dentist with the

812
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: very latest technology. Find a dentist with syric C E

813
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: R E C Syric dentist can create a high quality

814
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: crown in a single office visit. No more multiple ups,

815
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: no more spending gaps of time with gaps in your teeth.

816
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: With the dentist you find using one eight hundred dentists,

817
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: you get the care you need before the year is over.

818
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: Don't worry about replacing a temporary crown you got in

819
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: December with a permanent one in January. Usher in the

820
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: new year with a smile. Learn about seek C E

821
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: R e C and book that appointment today by visiting

822
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: one eight hundred dentists dot com slash seek one eight

823
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: hundred dentist dot com slash C E R E C

824
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: one eight hundred dentist dot com slash seek What a

825
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: great idea to match a local dentist to match your

826
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: particular dental means, whether it's a cleaning or a crown,

827
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. Thank you one eight hundred

828
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: dentists for being our partner today. Nancy christ Crimes story

829
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: signing off goodbye to h