Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, Mad Woman engaged herself to me.
Speaker 1: We welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis. I come to you from
Speaker 1: a virtual room filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: That's one of the great great quest stories. And not
Speaker 1: only because it's a great story tying back to West's
Speaker 1: past and a woman that was a very dead set
Speaker 1: on starting the clock on what she perceived as what
Speaker 1: her life should be, which included getting married fairly quickly
Speaker 1: and then having kids and settling down I believe in Cincinnati. Um.
Speaker 1: But the fact that West told the story so often,
Speaker 1: uh and mentioned it so often it tickled him to
Speaker 1: no end. So it kind of hit. It hit on
Speaker 1: two levels. So you know, another great reminder of Chris Westling.
Speaker 1: I never knew that woman's real name. I just knew
Speaker 1: her by that tagline she engaged yourself to me. M
Speaker 1: Uh today, any thoughts that I can go? I thought you,
Speaker 1: I thought you said it. Well. I don't know much
Speaker 1: about her, No nobody does. She was basically that woman
Speaker 1: for many years in the lore of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast. Uh. Speaking of West, this is um a
Speaker 1: bittersweet episode, uh for us because Greg rolled out his
Speaker 1: top one oh one NFL free Agents of one And
Speaker 1: if you have any knowledge in back history of the show,
Speaker 1: and I'll speak personally on this, I loved the Top
Speaker 1: one oh one because it's it's really the the the
Speaker 1: beginnings of the Scientists Lab. Something I pumped up to
Speaker 1: no end was about the Top one oh one where
Speaker 1: Greg and West would come up with their own lists
Speaker 1: and then kind of work together to figure out a
Speaker 1: final one oh one. Mark and I even countered with
Speaker 1: our own like underground list that people really seemed to enjoy,
Speaker 1: um and maybe in some levels on some level with superior.
Speaker 1: But the one that was the cannon for NFL media
Speaker 1: was the West Greg addition, and we're gonna get to
Speaker 1: that today. Um, in addition to some news in the NFL,
Speaker 1: including a big decision by one of the great defensive
Speaker 1: players of the last twenty five years. But Greg, you did,
Speaker 1: I thought you really, uh you know, well written and
Speaker 1: well thought out the intro for the Top one on one.
Speaker 1: Uh you you kind of reminisced about the exercise and
Speaker 1: doing it with West all those years. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: one of you know, many times of year, and you know,
Speaker 1: just things in the last three or four weeks, it's
Speaker 1: been tough. It's tricky, Like I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: I I know you guys are dealing with the same thing,
Speaker 1: like we're podcasting and like we're we're going through it
Speaker 1: as as friends and co workers together and I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's no right answer, but it was really emotional for
Speaker 1: me last week, UM doing this and just everything like
Speaker 1: it's still so fresh, you know what I mean. Um,
Speaker 1: But I did think about how West and I's relationship
Speaker 1: was so much about like arguing. It started that way,
Speaker 1: like on AOL instant messenger at Rooda World, that fantasy rankings,
Speaker 1: just like going back and forth and uh, and that
Speaker 1: continued here for the last seven years, doing this And
Speaker 1: I do think it mellowed out in the last few years.
Speaker 1: And I think that I think West's cancer battle was
Speaker 1: part of that, and maybe just us getting older, like
Speaker 1: it was like less it was almost like we didn't
Speaker 1: want to waste their time arguing about football rankings um
Speaker 1: as much. But um, but I still and I wrote
Speaker 1: about that, I still thought about how you know, this
Speaker 1: fall um driving back from chemo. You know, football was
Speaker 1: certainly still a big part of the conversation. And that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a huge part of your friendship because
Speaker 1: that that's like, um, I don't know, it's just like
Speaker 1: a nice dose of normality and uh in what was
Speaker 1: such a brutal which is such a bad year overall,
Speaker 1: Um to just like talk football and go back and forth.
Speaker 1: I remember us like trying to rank where Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: fit um like among all time rookie quarterbacks because we
Speaker 1: both sort of loved him, and that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: there is something uh about that. Um. Seth Payne was
Speaker 1: on our show not to keep going on, but uh
Speaker 1: that I remember he said, he you know, and this
Speaker 1: was you know, before West past, but he thought I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting to hear from a listener that
Speaker 1: he thought the way that we interacted and and showed
Speaker 1: our love for West during the season he thought was
Speaker 1: you know, really affected him. And because that's sort of
Speaker 1: like how guys love each other. And that's sort of
Speaker 1: what I think about when with these rankings and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, that is part of how you show you
Speaker 1: love each other is because it means it means everything
Speaker 1: and it means nothing. And we sort of like understood
Speaker 1: that that this stuff. It didn't really mean everything, but
Speaker 1: it was like also how we found joy and like
Speaker 1: friendship and in love. Absolutely, Yeah, I love the way
Speaker 1: you put that, and that is it is a very
Speaker 1: a guy thing because sometimes guys, you know, struggle to
Speaker 1: um show how much they mean to each other, and
Speaker 1: then it will come out and something as passionate as
Speaker 1: an argument about where Marcus Mariotta belongs on a list.
Speaker 1: And you and West um both respected each other so
Speaker 1: much as well in terms of your football knowledge, and
Speaker 1: that's why you were the scientists. So it was always
Speaker 1: great theater on the show. And not to mention, I
Speaker 1: think it also made the best type of this exercise
Speaker 1: what you see on every other website. Um, this one
Speaker 1: I think you could stack up against any other. So, Greg,
Speaker 1: you know, this is a a different world for us
Speaker 1: now as a trio without West, but they are all
Speaker 1: all these little micro things as well that I guess
Speaker 1: some of us go through individually. You doing this without him, Um,
Speaker 1: that certainly qualifies. So yeah, it's tricky because it's like
Speaker 1: like and I know Mark, I'm looking at Mark and
Speaker 1: he making me emotional and it thinks I don't know,
Speaker 1: like aren't you guys struggling with this? Like the public
Speaker 1: part of it is like I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 1: tricky because like everything we're doing is like we're celebrating
Speaker 1: my thought damage, like so many people have spoken so
Speaker 1: well and we've done our best too, and I love
Speaker 1: that too, but um, it's like part of me is
Speaker 1: just like sad, you know, and piste off to a
Speaker 1: little bit, and like that doesn't necessarily make like good podcasting,
Speaker 1: but podcasting is like you know, our job too, Like
Speaker 1: it's just very it's very hard to navigate. I I
Speaker 1: have been really struggling struggling with that part of it,
Speaker 1: like the podcast part of it. And you don't need
Speaker 1: to comment on that. I don't know. I'm just getting
Speaker 1: it off my check us kind of because there's part
Speaker 1: of me that's just like piss still too, like piss
Speaker 1: that he now like like he's he would like not
Speaker 1: to do the whole like what he would do sorry
Speaker 1: to come up as like a little bit of me
Speaker 1: is indignant, like West would be indignant, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like he we didn't see this coming, not
Speaker 1: not now, you know that's still we have to let
Speaker 1: ourselves feel that too. We we do something as a group.
Speaker 1: It's just an organic thing. But like I feel like
Speaker 1: every few days will be on a group text chat
Speaker 1: and we'll be sharing photos of Wes and you go, um,
Speaker 1: the way things are now and everybody has them, like
Speaker 1: you have a photo cloud that and for all of us,
Speaker 1: we're lucky enough we have families and we have all
Speaker 1: these like treasured men, memories of our kids and times
Speaker 1: with our wives and families and friends, and we're all
Speaker 1: kind of looking back and and reminiscing about the past um,
Speaker 1: which feels like a romantic out when you look back
Speaker 1: at the four of us together and some of the
Speaker 1: amazing things that we got to do together. And when
Speaker 1: on Friday night when I went, I was looking for um,
Speaker 1: just going back in time at different combines and to
Speaker 1: see last year we were in that luxury suite at UM.
Speaker 1: I was called it the Hoosier Dome. I'm like a
Speaker 1: hundred years old at Lucas Oil Stadium and uh, it
Speaker 1: was Mark wearing a ridiculous terry cloth robe from the hotel,
Speaker 1: and it was Daniel Jeremiah sitting with us talking about
Speaker 1: you know, justin Herbert and the incoming QB Prospects and
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and it was me Greg and West, and
Speaker 1: West could not look any healthier, he couldn't look anymore
Speaker 1: alive or vibrant. And it just struck me. And I
Speaker 1: think that's part of the thing that's that sucks and
Speaker 1: makes me mad, is like how quickly it all changed.
Speaker 1: And it went from West with us looking better, looking
Speaker 1: frankly better than all of us sitting in that suite,
Speaker 1: to being gone one year later when the combines should
Speaker 1: have been happening. Um, that gets me mad, and I know, um,
Speaker 1: we're all on the same page. They're just that he
Speaker 1: was taken from us, and in such a sudden way,
Speaker 1: not in the way like someone can lose a loved
Speaker 1: one in an accident or an act of violence or whatever,
Speaker 1: but the ravage of the second cancer. I don't think
Speaker 1: any of us are ready for anything like this. So
Speaker 1: it's it is a process. And I'm with you Greg
Speaker 1: that it's been strange doing this. It really is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And don't take my silence for a lack of thoughts.
Speaker 1: I just, um, you know, we all were together this
Speaker 1: weekend too, and that's hard. It's okay, Like I I
Speaker 1: think that's it's Okay, like I, you know, the thing
Speaker 1: I just mentioned anger, Like I tried to even you know,
Speaker 1: it's like you gotta I I want to let myself
Speaker 1: feel that too, Like it's so it is so recent.
Speaker 1: It's like on on some level are like the natural
Speaker 1: human instinct is like to start moving forward, and it's
Speaker 1: it feels like it's been along. It hasn't been long.
Speaker 1: It's been like less than man, it's been less than
Speaker 1: a month. And uh, and so we thank our listeners
Speaker 1: to you know, obviously they are like part of this too,
Speaker 1: but they I think, you know, they get you guys
Speaker 1: get that we're going along through it and like you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it will be like I, I can I can
Speaker 1: do like a normal show and and put my mind
Speaker 1: into that because we're professionals and like I enjoyed doing
Speaker 1: a normal show that has nothing to do with you know,
Speaker 1: that doesn't have to do with West necessarily because we
Speaker 1: we've been doing that and that's what we do and
Speaker 1: we love doing that. Um. But the the whole like
Speaker 1: thing where it's combined, there's no avoiding that, I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's he is our friend privately, but
Speaker 1: there's no avoiding like how it's all mixed in together.
Speaker 1: So that's just something we're gonna have to figure out
Speaker 1: figure out as we go. Yeah, I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: like what Mark was saying is like, we were all
Speaker 1: together this weekend, and it was so happy to be
Speaker 1: with you guys and all of us be together. But
Speaker 1: it was in sort of that moment that I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like he is supposed to be here,
Speaker 1: and that was like so hard. Yeah, it has been
Speaker 1: nice to have each other and we got everyone, we
Speaker 1: got together at Connie and Gonzos and yeah, Lakisha was
Speaker 1: there with Link and Rhoda, Kisha's mother, and that that
Speaker 1: is all great, but it does like, like you guys
Speaker 1: are saying everything, you're doing that, and you're doing it.
Speaker 1: You feel like it's the right thing to do to
Speaker 1: get together and and and spend time with each other,
Speaker 1: especially after realizing how things can be taken from you
Speaker 1: so quickly. But then at the same time, there's just
Speaker 1: this like, yeah, but this is the exact type of
Speaker 1: setup that the one person above all of us would
Speaker 1: have enjoyed. And it's him. It's him and throwing cornhole
Speaker 1: with Gonzo, and I'm thinking to myself Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Les taught me about cornhole. This guy would have been
Speaker 1: playing I have been playing against him right now. So man,
Speaker 1: it's tough and we're doing our best. And again we
Speaker 1: thank all the listeners UM for being so supportive and
Speaker 1: being cool uh during this time. And we know it
Speaker 1: was a loss to you guys too, So UM, just
Speaker 1: three and a half weeks out and uh we're figuring
Speaker 1: things out. So today's show, Yes, the free Agen free
Speaker 1: agency one on one, we're gonna hit that. But let's
Speaker 1: do some news first, including yes, big news involving UM
Speaker 1: an all time great I'm being burrito is bigger than
Speaker 1: your ass. So you would think that's an awkward transition,
Speaker 1: but no, West I think would have gotten a kick
Speaker 1: out of J. J. Watt saying I've eaten Burrito's bigger
Speaker 1: than your ass. Um. All right, the Cardinals are the
Speaker 1: team that lends J J. Watt what's that all about?
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals signed the former text into a two year,
Speaker 1: thirty one million dollar UH contract. This comes after weeks
Speaker 1: a speculation that what would land elsewhere? The Packers, the Browns,
Speaker 1: the Bills, the Steelers, all teams that a lot of
Speaker 1: people thought I mean to that point, um our TV producer,
Speaker 1: and he does a wonderful job for us. Jason Kleinman
Speaker 1: uh had sent me a text um just this morning
Speaker 1: before the news went down that J. J. Watt apparently
Speaker 1: he's on Peloton and he had listed under his bio
Speaker 1: s B fifty six super Bowl fifty six ellipses g
Speaker 1: B ellipses c L E ellipses b UF, so like
Speaker 1: a little Easter egg buried within his exercise bike apparatus.
Speaker 1: And then he goes and signs of the cardinal. So Mark,
Speaker 1: I know you're probably I would guess a without putting
Speaker 1: words in your mouth, you're disappointed because the Browns would
Speaker 1: have been a nice fit. Uh B. What do you
Speaker 1: think about where he ends up going? I kind of
Speaker 1: loved the landing spot for him. Um that's assuming that
Speaker 1: you get um, you know, Dler Jones playing at Chandler
Speaker 1: Jones levels. But that defense I thought made some strides
Speaker 1: and were interesting at times last year, and it was
Speaker 1: guys like you know, Buddha Baker, Um Hassan Reddick who
Speaker 1: you know, blew up in the wake of Chandler Jones
Speaker 1: not being out there. And so I love the idea
Speaker 1: of of J. J. Watt being added to that, You're
Speaker 1: you have a ferocious pass rush and it it compliments
Speaker 1: you know, what they're trying to do while growing on offense. Um,
Speaker 1: to me, it's a good landing spot. And I disappointed
Speaker 1: from a Browns angle, No, but I never really bought
Speaker 1: the idea that he was going to take like because
Speaker 1: just no, no humans seemed to do this fre agency,
Speaker 1: less money to play. What he saw was a super
Speaker 1: Bowl contender. I think this is this is a contender.
Speaker 1: I think that they were a bit of a disappointing
Speaker 1: uneven team a year ago, but it brings um a
Speaker 1: total new, uh intriguing angle to the defense. And I
Speaker 1: think that if you're Russell Wilson and people like that
Speaker 1: in that division, you're thinking, WHOA, what happened here? This
Speaker 1: is an ugly development for the rest of that division. Yeah, Greg,
Speaker 1: we don't know. We like us On Reddick as an
Speaker 1: example of this guy had what seven sacks in the
Speaker 1: game last season. Uh, he's he's on your free agency
Speaker 1: one on one list, Chandler Jones, You're lost to injury.
Speaker 1: We don't know if all these guys end up with J. J. Watt,
Speaker 1: but if they do. That is an interesting wrinkle to
Speaker 1: this team that maybe you have this like three headed
Speaker 1: goodora pass rush. Uh Jones and Watt you know are
Speaker 1: two of the best you know, pass rushers defensive lineman
Speaker 1: in the last decade, so it's pretty interesting to have
Speaker 1: them playing together. They're both in their thirties now. But
Speaker 1: you put up the hour lads list of like there,
Speaker 1: you know, depth chart, and it's all red and red
Speaker 1: means you're a free agent. So it's not just Reddick,
Speaker 1: but um, you know Corey Peters who was started early
Speaker 1: and then got hurt for them, Devondre Campbell, Patrick Peterson,
Speaker 1: Drake or Patrick. They have a lot to do on
Speaker 1: defense in terms of free agency. But that's a fun
Speaker 1: that's a fun combo Jones and uh j j Y
Speaker 1: and I think it speaks to them feeling like now
Speaker 1: is a time to push, like that they could not
Speaker 1: afford a six and ten season necessarily in a very
Speaker 1: tough vision, or that maybe Kimbom who's had a lot
Speaker 1: of chances there and Kingsbury, you know, I think they're
Speaker 1: feeling pressure to to keep the ball moving forward. And
Speaker 1: Mark you made the good point on you know, taking
Speaker 1: less money. I mean it just it just goes to show.
Speaker 1: I think these other teams that that we're more obvious
Speaker 1: super Bowl contenders, were just not going to offer that
Speaker 1: much money. So it does come down to that he
Speaker 1: got twenty three million guaranteed, he's gonna get fifteen uh
Speaker 1: per year. Uh. It's basically a two year, thirty one
Speaker 1: million dollar deal that will probably see both years. And
Speaker 1: that's that's good money. That's like, that's pretty good money.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, that's good money, but that's not
Speaker 1: break the bank money. What have you heard Mark something
Speaker 1: about what the Browns offer or if they ever made
Speaker 1: an offer, like what were they prepared to pay? I didn't,
Speaker 1: but their caps situation isn't terrible. I would imagine they
Speaker 1: would have been competitive, and maybe, you know, maybe some
Speaker 1: of these teams did offer that, and he chose Arizona
Speaker 1: for a specific reason. I like the idea of him
Speaker 1: having not been the only guy on that line, because
Speaker 1: in Cleveland you would have had Miles Garrett and J. J. Watt.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the metrics show how incredibly effective
Speaker 1: he was as an internal inside inside pass rusher two
Speaker 1: you know, last year, and he played a ton for them,
Speaker 1: So I just think it's it's the versatility is there.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I guess you could have he could
Speaker 1: have looked at other teams, but I don't know what
Speaker 1: the what the Browns opery that's that's the thing is,
Speaker 1: you know he is he is an older pass rusher.
Speaker 1: You know, those guys don't necessarily get break the bank money.
Speaker 1: It's like Clowney last year probably regrets not taking an
Speaker 1: early deal because he ended up accepting like one for nine.
Speaker 1: So sometimes things changed fast. And my guess is the
Speaker 1: Cardinals were financially a lot more aggressive than some of
Speaker 1: the teams like the Bills and the Browns who who
Speaker 1: wanted him, but wanted him at their price to be
Speaker 1: two for twenty and like twelve guaranteed or something like that,
Speaker 1: if I had to guess. By the way, though, dan
Speaker 1: Um not to throw Klineman under the bus here, But
Speaker 1: that was a fake J. J. Watt Peloton, right, and
Speaker 1: it's and it was it was kJ Watt. And you know,
Speaker 1: I am a novice compared to you at Peloton, damn.
Speaker 1: But I I found it suspicious um when I took
Speaker 1: a look at the the overall presentation, A little Peloton
Speaker 1: prankster was up to his tricks. Oh no, Field, Yates
Speaker 1: was the one that tweeted it out. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: in in fairness, like a lot of NFL media, what
Speaker 1: a snake pit, who would just you know, should have
Speaker 1: their journal hats on and maybe not just accept every um.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna out there, I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: it on Yates because I don't know him personally, and
Speaker 1: let Jason off the hook on that. Okay, I do
Speaker 1: interesting approach, I feel, but you know him. But I'm
Speaker 1: a nice guy. He listens to the show. At least
Speaker 1: he said that. I believe him. I listened. I'm not
Speaker 1: burying for old. I'm just saying I'm not gonna take
Speaker 1: blame for it, even though I spoke the words into
Speaker 1: the microphone. So if then I have to assign blame
Speaker 1: to someone, am I going to do the guy Jason
Speaker 1: who does great work with our show, or Field? They
Speaker 1: perfectly Um a good man, I understand in a great
Speaker 1: NFL reporter. I gotta I gotta very Field in the
Speaker 1: biggest of all spots. It's a very interesting process that
Speaker 1: you're going through here. During the show, Dan he Um
Speaker 1: Field did do the like Homer Simpson walking back into
Speaker 1: the bush thing after it, he didn't delete. It was
Speaker 1: too late. People people knew he had he had done it.
Speaker 1: He had well j J shot it down too. He said,
Speaker 1: I don't even have a bike. Everyone on pallets on
Speaker 1: bike would he would? He would just look like he would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. He looked like too large of a man.
Speaker 1: And to the money thing, the fact that the Cardinals
Speaker 1: probably just you know, offered far more conversation. It's not
Speaker 1: really a chase of the ring destination. And you could
Speaker 1: I gets squint and say, oh, Kyler Murray, you're three,
Speaker 1: and you know you could look at things, maybe the
Speaker 1: Cliff Kings very thing clicks and the defense with this
Speaker 1: monster pass rush, I guess. But to me, a team
Speaker 1: like Buffalo or Pittsburgh that would have been where I
Speaker 1: would have guessed. And then Cleveland because Cleveland's buzzy now.
Speaker 1: So this is to me a big surprise that he
Speaker 1: went there. But good for him, get that money and
Speaker 1: playing in and it's a nice place to play and live.
Speaker 1: People love Arizona professionally, athletes especially, so rings are great.
Speaker 1: But your last, you know, monster payday of your lifetime.
Speaker 1: I usually end yeah, way way and larger. Not maybe
Speaker 1: not for everyone, but I guess that I think that
Speaker 1: normally weighs larger. All right, let's say, let me just
Speaker 1: to have this right. I want to look it up
Speaker 1: spot rack, how you say it, spow track, I like
Speaker 1: over the cap dot com, but they both work, all right.
Speaker 1: I just want to know how much he's made career earnings.
Speaker 1: So I prepared to bury JJ. We hang on a
Speaker 1: second career world. Okay, he's made over a hundred million
Speaker 1: in total cash. Uh. If you said to j J,
Speaker 1: how much is it getting guaranteed? Here? You get twenty
Speaker 1: three million and you go to the Cardinals and you
Speaker 1: have a chance from the super Bowl. Or I can
Speaker 1: give you a twelve million guaranteed and you have a
Speaker 1: seventy chance to get into the super Bowl. What do
Speaker 1: you pick? You take the money, you take the glop,
Speaker 1: or you take a better chance in a ring. Because
Speaker 1: I think he's telling us what he picks, you know,
Speaker 1: he's telling us, And like I am a little surprised
Speaker 1: by the landing spot. But I think you know you've
Speaker 1: got a quarterback on a rookie contract. So the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: two off scenes in a row have taken the best
Speaker 1: player away not named Shaun Watson from the Texans. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I like that the Hopkins mixed And to
Speaker 1: play Devil's argument, you know, if you're why and I
Speaker 1: don't think he's thinking this way? Is I like Devil's
Speaker 1: argument better than Devil's advocate? Oh yeah, well it would
Speaker 1: be like it's impossible to know who's going to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl anyways, no one, you know, none of these
Speaker 1: teams have more than like an eight percent chance. And
Speaker 1: so if the difference between the Browns and the Cardinals
Speaker 1: worth like getting excited about or even even build, like
Speaker 1: really almost any team other than maybe like the Chiefs
Speaker 1: or something. Uh, you know, it's like who really knows? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I wanted to have the same issue if he
Speaker 1: went to the Browns, I would be like, this is
Speaker 1: a smart move for a team on the rise. But like,
Speaker 1: what's the difference ultimately between the Cardinals and the Browns
Speaker 1: right now in terms of Super Bowl hopes? Maybe not
Speaker 1: that different? Much can change start to get there right? Uh?
Speaker 1: In other news, other quarterback news, this, according to The Athletic,
Speaker 1: the forty honors have connected with the Panthers checking in
Speaker 1: on Teddy Bridgewater. The latest sign if this is indeed
Speaker 1: the case, Greg, that San Francisco is looking to either
Speaker 1: replace Jimmy Garoppolo quarterback or bringing someone else is an option,
Speaker 1: because even when Jimmy G's on the field, uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: even when Jimmy G's on the team, you can't guarantee
Speaker 1: is on the field because he's injured all the time.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense to have somebody back there. But
Speaker 1: yet another sign here, Greg, that San Francisco is very
Speaker 1: curious about what else they could have behind center, and
Speaker 1: that you know, Carolina seems, you know, dead set on
Speaker 1: moving on from Teddy Bridgewater. This was kind of buried
Speaker 1: in a Carolina article of what they might do, and
Speaker 1: it sounded like the forty Niners checked in maybe early
Speaker 1: in the off season, especially when you're getting all these
Speaker 1: Panthers want to do this and that reports um, you know,
Speaker 1: including this. You know they went hard after stafford um
Speaker 1: and since nothing had happened since then, John Lynch and
Speaker 1: Shanahana kind of come out pretty strong for Jimmy G.
Speaker 1: It makes me think maybe they were just checking in
Speaker 1: to say, hey, if you want to give Teddy away,
Speaker 1: like we take them. But you know, they're just they're
Speaker 1: poking around. I'm with you, Dad, I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: bring into My guess is that they're bringing someone with
Speaker 1: Jimmy G. And maybe it'll be a Teddy type or
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be like a rookie what we'll see. I mean,
Speaker 1: John Lynch has sort of been vocal about the fact
Speaker 1: that they needed to upgrade the backup quarterback position. And
Speaker 1: if you're if you want to go back to the
Speaker 1: what ifs had this had the Patriots signed Jimmy G
Speaker 1: and um, you know, a little bit earlier and and
Speaker 1: not allowed Tom Brady to stay there as long, I mean,
Speaker 1: which would have been a nonsensical move. I mean, Jimmy
Speaker 1: G is what Tom and Brady is not in the
Speaker 1: sense that he's not stayed healthy. And you've got these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that you know, maybe they are not elite, but
Speaker 1: they are giving you availability week after week, and they
Speaker 1: we've seen two seasons under Kyle Shanahan go totally haywire
Speaker 1: because Jimmy G got hurt and he get he gets
Speaker 1: more out of backup quarterbacks than anyone in the league,
Speaker 1: I'd say, And so maybe if it's Teddy, not as
Speaker 1: a clear competitor, but someone that comes in and can
Speaker 1: prevent the Niners, who would have been a playoff team
Speaker 1: last year minus the health issues. UM more security at
Speaker 1: the most important position. UM. In other orter back news,
Speaker 1: rap sheet reported that the Washington football team is ready
Speaker 1: to part ways with Alex Smith, a thirty six year
Speaker 1: old reigning comeback Player of the Year. We know his story.
Speaker 1: It's inspirational, aspirational. Is it both inspirational and aspirational? You
Speaker 1: could aspire to do the same thing. I I don't
Speaker 1: think many athletes would want to duplicate what happened to
Speaker 1: Alex Smith so far, Tiger Woods would like to he
Speaker 1: aspires to have a similar path. Anyway, He's owed twenty
Speaker 1: six million this year and Washington saves a substantial amount
Speaker 1: of money if they cut him before June one. Uh so, Mark,
Speaker 1: it looks like the end of the road for Alex
Speaker 1: Smith and Washington. Uh it feels like a guy, if
Speaker 1: he still wants to play, that would be an excellent
Speaker 1: backup somewhere, right, Yeah, I mean, I I don't know.
Speaker 1: At this point, we just don't have like eight or
Speaker 1: nine quarterback positions UM that are like dangerously vacant. So
Speaker 1: I don't know where that landing spot would be people
Speaker 1: who mentioned the Jaguars because there's a relationship with her
Speaker 1: Ad Meyer. Um, and they'll have a rookie and it
Speaker 1: could be like, you know, he could go play. I
Speaker 1: think it does make sense. And I mean even Alex Smith, um,
Speaker 1: you know, because he's one of the better guys out
Speaker 1: there too, said look, I know that. I what happened
Speaker 1: last year in Washington totally upended their process of looking
Speaker 1: for like a long term quarterback. So I think if
Speaker 1: you're a Washington fan, um, this was the desired result.
Speaker 1: You don't go back into next season with that same situation.
Speaker 1: You've got Taylor Heineke and you've gotta you draft someone
Speaker 1: if you're not going to make a trade for someone
Speaker 1: of name of note. Smith sent that a very like
Speaker 1: honest interview with Esquire. You know, he said they kind
Speaker 1: of messed he messed up their plans and this it
Speaker 1: made me annoyed with the whole like sports blog of
Speaker 1: blog of sphere. And you know we were part of
Speaker 1: it too. I worked at PFT. It was part of
Speaker 1: you know, and I see what you're doing with the headline,
Speaker 1: like Alex Smith, Colin, like I messed up Washington's plans.
Speaker 1: But it's like, that's not He's like, we we want
Speaker 1: our athletes to be honest in an interview, Like and
Speaker 1: I you exactly what is saying. It was interested hearing
Speaker 1: it from him that they basically thought he wasn't ever
Speaker 1: gonna make it back and that they were going to
Speaker 1: get the some of the cap space for him last
Speaker 1: year and not have to pay him all this guaranteed money.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, of course they thought that, Like, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a crazy come back, and and the only reason
Speaker 1: he even ended up on the field is because Kyle
Speaker 1: Allen and Dwayne Haskins either Stunker got hurt. You know
Speaker 1: that that was why he got on the field. I
Speaker 1: was just I was actually impressed with how he played.
Speaker 1: I thought he absolutely deserves a job. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's like a top forty quarterback, but he's like
Speaker 1: a backup type. And like those guys like him who
Speaker 1: are so good with young quarterbacks, they last till they're
Speaker 1: like thirty eight or thirty nine. Like so, I think
Speaker 1: he does deserve a roster spot somewhere. If you're a coach,
Speaker 1: If you're a coach, think how much it would mean
Speaker 1: to have Alex Smith on your team if you're not
Speaker 1: leaning on him to be your starter. I mean sometimes
Speaker 1: the quarterback rooms are decided by the veterans that are
Speaker 1: in there helping the younger starters to see things that
Speaker 1: they never would otherwise. It's like Alex Smith ripped Ron Rivera. No,
Speaker 1: I mean was and while you could connect the dots
Speaker 1: and that's how this this stuff goes often in our
Speaker 1: league and you can say, Okay, send him to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: Is the backup? I don't know, Alex Smith. He's not
Speaker 1: playing if Trevor Lawrence is healthy, I'll never get on
Speaker 1: the field unless something terrible happened. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna have a chance to really compete for a starting
Speaker 1: If that's maybe he will retire, Yeah, maybe he'll retire them.
Speaker 1: Here's the second part of this, because I think he
Speaker 1: would have value um as a backup. I wonder if
Speaker 1: he's looking at some of these jobs where if I
Speaker 1: have a path to get on the field, like Ryan
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick in Miami last year, Fitzpatrick's a free agent, UH
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh with Big Ben there, now, like maybe go go
Speaker 1: in there and you you're the in case of emergency there.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it is. And how about the Eagles. You know,
Speaker 1: you go in there behind Jalen Hurts. If Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: doesn't progress, all of a sudden, you're you're on the
Speaker 1: field again as the starter. I would think that he's
Speaker 1: probably unless he wants to be a backup the rest
Speaker 1: of his career. Would would want maybe got go on
Speaker 1: a team where you had a chance to play here.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I just think it'll be a hard
Speaker 1: market for I. You know, I go on one hand
Speaker 1: is saying I was impressed how well he played, you know, relatively,
Speaker 1: and they won a lot of games with him. But
Speaker 1: when you look at the free agent market, I don't
Speaker 1: even think he's gonna crack my top one on one.
Speaker 1: There's some pretty good backups out there, you know, Jamis
Speaker 1: if you consider him a backup, whatever cam Is Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: Tyrod to me, I would take over Alex Smith at
Speaker 1: this point probably What about the quarterback that you have
Speaker 1: at one oh one? Oh yes, way, but sticking it.
Speaker 1: We're getting there, getting there, We're getting there, all right.
Speaker 1: And other news. Peter King read it during the off season,
Speaker 1: read during the season too, but his Monday Morning Quarterback column.
Speaker 1: UM had a nugget in it that a seventeen game
Speaker 1: NFL regular season is quote highly likely this year. UH
Speaker 1: one bye week, so it's wouldn't be two bye weeks
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Everything gets bumped back a week, so the
Speaker 1: super Bowl hypothetically, which is played here in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: February February six. You ask me, all, this is inevitable
Speaker 1: and there's no sense fighting it. Although Mark, I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts on this, Um, I would say,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna really start moving around the schedule in
Speaker 1: February is a dead sports month, you might as well
Speaker 1: just back it up and connect it with the weekend after,
Speaker 1: which is President's Day weekend, and then do what we
Speaker 1: should have had in this country for the last forty
Speaker 1: years that the day after the Super Bowl is a
Speaker 1: holiday where you don't have school and work for many people,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Sunday becomes this big party
Speaker 1: where you have to get up in the morning for
Speaker 1: work and school. That would be my only tweek. But
Speaker 1: I also don't need, Mark, I tell you this. I
Speaker 1: don't need another extra week in the season and another
Speaker 1: extra bye week. It already is very long for folks
Speaker 1: like us, well it's of us. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if like for some of these teams
Speaker 1: when you get into you know, post November, where yes,
Speaker 1: these certain champions are being forged, but other teams are
Speaker 1: like wandering in total darkness. There's just a I could
Speaker 1: think of a number of teams every year where it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't it's a it's a it's not a joy
Speaker 1: to watch them at this point, and I and and
Speaker 1: their journey needs to end soon or not not later. Um.
Speaker 1: But like I will say this that it was inevitable.
Speaker 1: It's not a surprise at all. And based on what
Speaker 1: King reported, looking at what that um Extra game would be,
Speaker 1: it's a f C versus NFC with a different division
Speaker 1: than you'd face that that year. So next year they
Speaker 1: already have like the a f C North will be
Speaker 1: battling on that that eight seventeen game against the NFC West,
Speaker 1: and it creates some really spicy UM Extra matchups. So
Speaker 1: that's a positive. They talked about, you know, Cleveland, based
Speaker 1: on what I'm looking at here would play Arizona. So
Speaker 1: here comes J. J. Watt to Cleveland to find out
Speaker 1: which one of those two teams were the real super
Speaker 1: Bowl contender. But then they're talking about, you know, the
Speaker 1: wild Card weekend, which was, um, you know, there was
Speaker 1: a lot going on wild Card Weekend with so many matchups,
Speaker 1: but one of them would be moved to Monday night potentially,
Speaker 1: so you know they are going to continue to put
Speaker 1: as they can well, but you know, in a short week.
Speaker 1: But the other here's the flip side of that, the
Speaker 1: team that that plays that Monday night would have an
Speaker 1: extra day or two of rest, um, coming out of
Speaker 1: a really long regular season. So King was suggesting that
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches would like that. But you're right,
Speaker 1: that's it's it's new territory. So on the other's end
Speaker 1: of it, you're getting that extra okay, all right, I
Speaker 1: mean this is or you're getting an entire off season
Speaker 1: depending on who loses. We've been doing this too long
Speaker 1: and this is very inside uh football or whatever. But
Speaker 1: my first reaction to seeing this story takeoff was like
Speaker 1: e n being like, well, it's like we've known this
Speaker 1: for a long time. Why is he getting all the
Speaker 1: credit for breaking this? You know, like because we I
Speaker 1: guess we kind of had. But he was just like
Speaker 1: putting the box around it. It's something I feel like
Speaker 1: we've forgotten that this has been coming and and Goodell
Speaker 1: has kind mentioned it, um, but here it is. It
Speaker 1: does show the the power of the NFL that, like
Speaker 1: all these TV deals are getting signed after the pandemic
Speaker 1: with no problem, like doubling the money and rising the
Speaker 1: money in the seventeenth week. I like the President's Day idea, Dan,
Speaker 1: that's a really good idea, Um, but I don't want Yeah,
Speaker 1: even one extra week seems like a lot right now.
Speaker 1: I mean that that they're they're playing with fire. I
Speaker 1: know it'll be fine, but I am one that believes
Speaker 1: sixteen is a lot to ask. It's just different than
Speaker 1: other sports. You know. That's why the players have had issues. Uh,
Speaker 1: when you just think about the state that these teams
Speaker 1: are in, like Mark said, it's it's just a lot
Speaker 1: to ask on the body to make these guys play anymore.
Speaker 1: It's just it's not like it's not like Baseball or whatever.
Speaker 1: We can just throw extra games here there right in
Speaker 1: the NBA, it's like there's all these discussions and you
Speaker 1: know that I have my takes about the length of
Speaker 1: regular seasons and other sports, but um, it's like, well, well,
Speaker 1: let's rest Lebron for like ten games in a row,
Speaker 1: because because I guess every game this year, I know
Speaker 1: that's just utterly meaningless. But football isn't that way, and
Speaker 1: you can't do that. But one little thing that I
Speaker 1: that will annoy me um a lot visually and in
Speaker 1: terms of just the way I think about teams. We
Speaker 1: will never have an eight and eight team again. I
Speaker 1: think that eight and eight sometimes perfectly describes what a
Speaker 1: team is. And there are no five records, um, and
Speaker 1: and unless what they'll probably do is turn it into
Speaker 1: eighteen games. A few years from now, we've got nine
Speaker 1: and nine teams, which also sits poorly with me. It
Speaker 1: doesn't Jason garrett'shle legacy, like eight and eight was thank
Speaker 1: you for a long time. An odd number. An odd
Speaker 1: number is weird. But if you want to look at it,
Speaker 1: half glass, glass full, and coaches will love this. It's like,
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, you're either above five
Speaker 1: or you're below. Which side do you pick? Like they're
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of miles out of that. Well
Speaker 1: you're right about that, um, all right. And by the way,
Speaker 1: just looking at not the NFL calendar, straight up earth calendar.
Speaker 1: Be aware that Christmas this year falls on a Saturday.
Speaker 1: It will likely be two games on Saturday. So just
Speaker 1: keep that in mind because I know we have young
Speaker 1: children and families and lives and then and this speaks mark,
Speaker 1: you and I have been doing this a long time
Speaker 1: in NFL media. Greg. I think you might have even
Speaker 1: been here the last time it happened. Sunday falls on
Speaker 1: Christmas Day, So what are they gonna do? Just a
Speaker 1: full slate of Saturday games. I think that's what they
Speaker 1: do left, and that's why they did last time. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I was there. I think that would have been. I
Speaker 1: think it happened two years in a row for us,
Speaker 1: didn't moved to Saturday, and then one day have to
Speaker 1: move it back. You're right, we're in a bad little
Speaker 1: a little couple of years here. We had a nice
Speaker 1: little run there where it was the holidays are falling
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the week. Now it's banged time.
Speaker 1: So just buckle up. Uh, the last little thing. I
Speaker 1: hope all this Uh you know, we're kicking everything and
Speaker 1: to overdrive here with the schedule. Are we still gonna
Speaker 1: make one team play five preseason games? Can that part
Speaker 1: if that isn't corrected to some degree back at least
Speaker 1: one game that right there, they're chopping one game off.
Speaker 1: But I think can we come out having learned anything
Speaker 1: from this past season though? And I'm talking about O
Speaker 1: T A s all this business. Can we be a
Speaker 1: little bit less frenetic? Okay preseason? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: O T s in the off season program are important.
Speaker 1: Maybe we don't need to be so, you know, like
Speaker 1: slaves to the coverage of it as much. But I
Speaker 1: think that especially for the younger players the preseason, I'm
Speaker 1: with you. How about this two preseason games case closed? Okay?
Speaker 1: All right? Deshaun Watson, you know we touched on it
Speaker 1: briefly on our last show that the Texans seems so
Speaker 1: behind the times right now and not understanding, uh really anything,
Speaker 1: having any awareness of what's happening in their building outside
Speaker 1: their building. Rap Sheet reported um last week that no
Speaker 1: one believes Deshaun Watson will be traded, and uh p
Speaker 1: f T wrote something this week that Watson would lose
Speaker 1: over twenty million if he sits out the season, and
Speaker 1: this idea of Greg that the Texans, yes, all these
Speaker 1: teams are trying to figure out there twenty plans and
Speaker 1: and plants, and ostensibly so too are the Texans. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, they're on their own timetable right
Speaker 1: now and they're not even answering the phone when Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson calls come in. So the idea that this is
Speaker 1: going to maybe go pass the draft, whether or not
Speaker 1: Watson comes or goes, and how does that impact landing
Speaker 1: spots and an interest in a trade. They're probably gonna
Speaker 1: end up greg to screwing themselves on this and they'll
Speaker 1: get value. Maybe that isn't at the same level if
Speaker 1: they would have just accepted it now make the move
Speaker 1: ahead of this draft. Uh, this could end up backfiring
Speaker 1: on them. Well, I just think, like, what's the intent
Speaker 1: of putting this all out there and so and answering
Speaker 1: the phone, which is which to me is really interesting.
Speaker 1: The Panthers reporters said that, you know, like there's that's
Speaker 1: how they're deciding to play. I mean, they know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. They know there's a chance that he might
Speaker 1: not be there. But their strategy is we're not gonna
Speaker 1: answer the phone. We're gonna put out there that we
Speaker 1: got no timeline. We're digging in so that I take
Speaker 1: out of that that a trade is you know, less
Speaker 1: likely to happen before free agency. You know, when we
Speaker 1: hear this about the deadlines, I don't think it's impossible.
Speaker 1: I think if like the Panthers picked up the phone
Speaker 1: and like before Nicki Casario could hang up there like
Speaker 1: five first round picks or you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, I think they would, they
Speaker 1: would listen, but they're trying to drive the price up,
Speaker 1: and it feels like the draft is more of the
Speaker 1: flash point. But I'm not ruling out that the draft
Speaker 1: could could be in play. I think something that's just
Speaker 1: you know, poisonous concern and concerning if you're David Culley,
Speaker 1: the head coach who walked into this beast nest, and
Speaker 1: I understand wanting the opportunity, and coaches have a mindset where,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't we don't um dwell on the negative.
Speaker 1: We were gonna go in and succeed and come and
Speaker 1: go around obstacles. But this is the biggest obstacle any
Speaker 1: team in the NFL has faced in a long time.
Speaker 1: And Watson is basically said to Collie when they talked,
Speaker 1: like my issues aren't with you, and they're not with Nikissarios.
Speaker 1: So those two making good with him has no impact
Speaker 1: on this decision. It's it's much deeper. It's with the owner.
Speaker 1: It's with the journey, the loss of trust and I
Speaker 1: and and here's the problem, like what other core if
Speaker 1: let's say they move on from Watson and this will
Speaker 1: be for another day. But whether it's you're drafting a
Speaker 1: rookie or bringing in another another young quarterback, like these
Speaker 1: guys talk to each other. Um they all see what
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson has gone through, what he is um intending
Speaker 1: to do with his career. They're not gonna be happy
Speaker 1: to be there either. It's a mess. That's what's happening
Speaker 1: in the news. All right, let's get to it. The
Speaker 1: top one oh one, Greg, Where does this one stack
Speaker 1: up in terms of pure talent in the top twenty
Speaker 1: talent overall? Is this a good fridgent class a bad
Speaker 1: one in the middle somewhere where would I? My instinct
Speaker 1: was it wasn't as good as the last couple. But
Speaker 1: then I went and looked back at these lists, and man,
Speaker 1: there were some dark years, like in two thousand and
Speaker 1: thirteen fifteen, where It's like Jariss Bird is number one
Speaker 1: and it gets pretty So that's sort of what normally
Speaker 1: happens because I'm anticipated so many of these top twenty
Speaker 1: players are going to get the franchise tag, so you know,
Speaker 1: you know Dak Allen Robinson, Leonard Williams, possibly Justin Simmons,
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin, uh, so many Taylor Mote and maybe Brandon
Speaker 1: Shuff like so many of these guys that Goladay that
Speaker 1: are in the top fifteen that you're like, oh, those
Speaker 1: would be cool. Those will get tagged and then it's
Speaker 1: not as spicy. But there's there's good depth I think
Speaker 1: in the past Rush. I think there's good depth at safety. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's not as many good wide receivers, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think there's more quarterbacks that are available than usual,
Speaker 1: even though no one seems too excited about them. I
Speaker 1: mean it's better than normal, like guys who can actually
Speaker 1: be competent. Who was that again? You have the example Gyrus? Yes?
Speaker 1: Um alright, So with that said, good little set up there, Greg,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read off one through ten just if you
Speaker 1: curious and check out the whole thing at NFL dot com.
Speaker 1: Slash to top one on one. That's easy. You have
Speaker 1: doc at one, Trent Williams at two, Allen Robinson three,
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams look at you, buddy, all the way up
Speaker 1: at number four, Justin Simmons five, Chris Godwin six, J. J.
Speaker 1: Watts seven already off the board. So we're down to
Speaker 1: a top one in a way almost to the point
Speaker 1: where it happened so close to the published Greg that
Speaker 1: maybe what comes out and then you give it a
Speaker 1: true one on one vibe again. But then again you're
Speaker 1: taking out some major name brand appeal there. I understand
Speaker 1: that's not up to me, but yeah, once these guys
Speaker 1: get tagged, they're gonna get taken out. So you have
Speaker 1: to write up some extra ones. There's gonna be cut
Speaker 1: guys at it. In this is living, breathing document. I
Speaker 1: would imagine that this the what news development maybe even
Speaker 1: shook up some some art attached with it if they
Speaker 1: were to publish in certain ways that probably those sorts
Speaker 1: of chaos for the people behind the scenes. Shack Barrett
Speaker 1: much to Mark ster Grin up at number eight, Aaron
Speaker 1: Jones The Running Back nine, and Taylor Morten um number ten. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's have some fun with this. First of all,
Speaker 1: let's get Ricky involved. Um at some point, Ricky, I
Speaker 1: want you to jump in and we'll do a random
Speaker 1: pick generator and you just you're gonna throw number out there,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna talk about whoever that is. You
Speaker 1: want to do it. As an example, do one right
Speaker 1: off the bat. Okay, let's say hold on the wheel
Speaker 1: or anything. Yeah, I'm gonna pull up Google. Let's say,
Speaker 1: let's check out our search history here. Oh, Ricky gotta
Speaker 1: use incognito. Ricky gotta use alright, number twelve, Okay, right
Speaker 1: off the top. Bud Dupree. That's a good one. All right,
Speaker 1: So you got bud Dupre the edge rusher uh with
Speaker 1: the Steelers age twenty eight, blew out his A C
Speaker 1: L which was a major bummer and setback for the Steelers.
Speaker 1: I like that one. I like the generator Greg right
Speaker 1: off the bat, going with some intrigue. I like him
Speaker 1: as a kind of a tough decision whether to go
Speaker 1: all in on a guy like him. I do too,
Speaker 1: because I think it gets at what to me was
Speaker 1: the hardest part of ranking this class and the best
Speaker 1: part of this class, which are the pass rushers. I
Speaker 1: and I kept resorting, how you know, and Dupri was
Speaker 1: lower for a while, and then I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: e c ls are as big a deal as it
Speaker 1: used to be, and it's more of like a three
Speaker 1: year deal. And he's you know, really um diverse in
Speaker 1: terms of his skill set. And so there's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of guys that I talked, you know, Shack Barrett
Speaker 1: wats now off the board, but Shack Barrett, Dupre, Carl Lawson,
Speaker 1: who I really like from Cincinnati, uh In gock Way
Speaker 1: is out there, Matthew Judean is out there. How how
Speaker 1: is the market going to value all these guys? They're
Speaker 1: all pretty good pass rushers. I ultimately put do pretty
Speaker 1: pretty high despite the torny cl because Trey Hendrickson is
Speaker 1: another guy from New Orleans like him Dupre, we ended
Speaker 1: up going up above all those guys because I just
Speaker 1: I know, I think I know what I'm getting with him,
Speaker 1: even coming off an injury. I think he's a little
Speaker 1: more complete than the rest of those guys. Um. I
Speaker 1: just want to get this out of the way because, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, if West was involved with the list this year,
Speaker 1: he'd definitely be lower by by virtue of the averaging
Speaker 1: of the numbers. I cannot believe you have Jameis Winston
Speaker 1: at twenty three on this list. I mean that is
Speaker 1: You're it's almost like you're punking, Uh the audience here, Greg,
Speaker 1: You're you're right up reads. It will take the right coach,
Speaker 1: but Winston can improve a handful of starting quarterback situations.
Speaker 1: Don't be surprised if that happens. Neron's first of all,
Speaker 1: I like to know which which situations he's improving, and
Speaker 1: Mark mentioned earlier one oh one one oh one? Is
Speaker 1: is Mitch Trabinsky? Uh? And I am not a Mitch
Speaker 1: Robinsky fan, but can you honestly tell me that these
Speaker 1: men should be separated by seventy plus spots? Or you've
Speaker 1: been drinking this Winston juice for so long and now
Speaker 1: on top of you digging in your hills back with
Speaker 1: West during the times of Mariotta, Winston back at draft time.
Speaker 1: Now he's got that New Orleans Saints like slickness on him,
Speaker 1: and you love that too, Like, why, how in the
Speaker 1: hell is Jamis Winston a top twenty five free agent
Speaker 1: based on the tape he's put out there in his
Speaker 1: entire NFL career, Come all right, I did put in
Speaker 1: the intro how I heard West's voice often while doing these,
Speaker 1: and you know, one of it was like you gotta
Speaker 1: be kindding me with Jamis? Was I mean he would
Speaker 1: have put him at UH. And then I did bump
Speaker 1: up guys like Mike Hilton, who I know West loves
Speaker 1: to you know, for but uh, I look at quarterback
Speaker 1: differently here where to me, if you have a chance
Speaker 1: to even be an average starting quarterback, you get a
Speaker 1: huge bump. I just think the position is worth so
Speaker 1: much that that's why Winston cam Fitzpatrick's fairly high in
Speaker 1: the top forty. UH. But Winston is the one out
Speaker 1: of all of those uh that I would I think
Speaker 1: has has a real chance to have a good second
Speaker 1: part of his career. I know you're burying him, but
Speaker 1: it's like, imagine if like Sam Donald had a third
Speaker 1: of the stats that Jamis Winston did in his first
Speaker 1: three years like he has produced. And here are the
Speaker 1: teams he could upgrade as a starter, The Patriots, the Saints. Um,
Speaker 1: I'd have to keep going through to find some more.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not but I think he could be
Speaker 1: a starter. And he's my favorite of all the free
Speaker 1: agent quarterbacks him with Sean Payton, though I would be intrigued.
Speaker 1: I would be intrigued to see what that what that
Speaker 1: could be. And um he I am with you that.
Speaker 1: Like for me, if I were if like you know,
Speaker 1: eighty five people quit NFL dot Com and they had
Speaker 1: me do this list, I would probably also put quarterbacks
Speaker 1: just much higher than other positions. But that does beg
Speaker 1: the question. And I couldn't be more down on Mitch
Speaker 1: Drabinsky sitting him down at one oh one. Um, I
Speaker 1: mean it's also kind of an intriguing number just to
Speaker 1: put a quarterback. Apt We've done it in the past.
Speaker 1: I know you have with Gino Smith and others, but
Speaker 1: I mean he's being a little devalued than at one
Speaker 1: oh one because he could be a starter in certain
Speaker 1: situations depending on what happens. Well as I can't believe
Speaker 1: I'm defending you guys know this, but if there's any
Speaker 1: new listeners, one on one is a special honor that
Speaker 1: we we usually spend more time kind of debating who's
Speaker 1: going to be the one on one This year. It's
Speaker 1: got to have some pop. It had got it. Actually,
Speaker 1: it doesn't even make sense because as guys come on
Speaker 1: and off the list with franchise tags and cuts, and
Speaker 1: we still leave the anchor at one oh one, like
Speaker 1: Travisky really would be moving up for a while, but
Speaker 1: he just felt he felt good. That's that's my evaluation
Speaker 1: that I don't think he I don't think he's good.
Speaker 1: I I think he's just a an okay backup and
Speaker 1: with limited upside. I have them lower than Tyrode, for instance.
Speaker 1: And I get it, Greg, I mean, it's part of
Speaker 1: this and it's why you're being paid is to project.
Speaker 1: And you see Jamis Winston at sometimes and at some
Speaker 1: time becoming because yes, I'm sure he put up numbers
Speaker 1: that you could look back and say, oh, these pretty
Speaker 1: good numbers, but he just never There's a reason Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay got rid of him, um and he barely saw
Speaker 1: the field last year, of course. And like, for instance,
Speaker 1: you have Andy Dalton down. I mean, and and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying Andy Dalton is anyone's like an example of
Speaker 1: a star quarterback at this stage, but like, who would
Speaker 1: I rather have as my backup or a fringe starter?
Speaker 1: I would take Andy, even Ryan Fitzpatrick who you have,
Speaker 1: which I was pleasantly surprised you have him higher than
Speaker 1: I would have expected at the um. It just to
Speaker 1: me again points out like what has Jamis Winston done,
Speaker 1: uh in his career? I mean the sentience clearly Patrick
Speaker 1: never been to the playoffs, but he's very clearly above
Speaker 1: your Dalton line. Then Greg Jameis Winston, Oh, well he's
Speaker 1: above Dalton. It's a good question. Uh, Like these are
Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks and I'm throwing Cam in there, who
Speaker 1: I haven't totally given up on either, Uh that I
Speaker 1: would put below the Dalton scale. Actually, you know, in
Speaker 1: terms of are they a franchise guy right now? Are
Speaker 1: they better than average? But I think you could like
Speaker 1: survive Jamis is twenty seven. That's part of it is
Speaker 1: I do think there's a chance here he can have
Speaker 1: this uh pretty good second back half of his career.
Speaker 1: It's like think of Fitzpatrick at seven. I do think
Speaker 1: that that there's there's a route here where he is
Speaker 1: a a mid level starting quarterback. And I guess it
Speaker 1: depends on how much you value that, Like was that
Speaker 1: is that more than? Do you want that more than
Speaker 1: Romeo Aquara? On these rankings, Like, I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: no right answer you have Jake Briskett at sixty three.
Speaker 1: I feel like in the sixties would have been my spot,
Speaker 1: uh for Jameis Winston. But that that's it's over. Let's
Speaker 1: I want to throw a couple out there. Why don't
Speaker 1: you do the Generator again? Yeah, let's hit the Generator
Speaker 1: podcast to talk about him one. I'm sure I'll have
Speaker 1: no end to the recently the Cowboys, Um, he was
Speaker 1: a big comeback story. Uh. Is that somebody you want
Speaker 1: on your team mark if you're looking first and pass rush.
Speaker 1: I know what the Cowboys were trying like, they were
Speaker 1: trying to do what I think another team could do,
Speaker 1: is like you add them to what they thought would
Speaker 1: be a spicy defense. I think it's just hard to
Speaker 1: evaluate almost anyone from that Cowboys defense last year because
Speaker 1: they were so disorganized that I mean, there were complaints
Speaker 1: about the coordinator right away. Alton Smith, I thought, had
Speaker 1: moments where you saw it and I mean, this is
Speaker 1: still one of the most mesmerizing edge rushing UM athletes
Speaker 1: and just physical presences that I can recall, like covering
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He was so incredibly um ferocious with
Speaker 1: the Niners and created such havoc for him to go
Speaker 1: away and go through all he did and come back
Speaker 1: and look at times really productive for the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: would take a shot. I also think that like part
Speaker 1: of free agency this time around is going to be
Speaker 1: trying to get guys on lower money UM, shorter term
Speaker 1: deals that might have a little upside. And this someone
Speaker 1: you have to it's gonna be the right environment, the
Speaker 1: right coach, the right situation. But why not he could
Speaker 1: add a little pop to a team. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's it's just you know, the teams are
Speaker 1: gonna be core cap strapped. I kind of liked the
Speaker 1: idea of him going somewhere and contributing. UM could have
Speaker 1: been a comeback player of the year in a normal
Speaker 1: year potentially, but he faded hard down the stretch. That
Speaker 1: was why he got buried a little bit in these rankings.
Speaker 1: I want to share some buyer bewares UM. When I
Speaker 1: looked at your list, so maybe I disagree a little
Speaker 1: bit with the placement, but not even so much about
Speaker 1: where you have the place, but just thoughts about where
Speaker 1: these guys are going forward. You have Corey Davis, He's
Speaker 1: ranked number thirty two. UM. You know, once by time
Speaker 1: a first round bust um and then he finally broke
Speaker 1: out this past season and had almost a thousand yards
Speaker 1: in four team games. I do have concerns Greg that
Speaker 1: a team looks looks at that fifth season and says, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the guy that the Titans thought they were getting,
Speaker 1: and then he moved him out of a situation where
Speaker 1: you have the two thousand yard rusher and Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: and A. J. Brown, the monster wide receiver on the outside,
Speaker 1: and you put him into a situation where it's not
Speaker 1: so and a really fine quarterback in Ryan Tannehill. If
Speaker 1: you don't put him into a situation where he's just
Speaker 1: a piece of the puzzle, I feel like that could
Speaker 1: go sideways. Yeah, I'm with you. I thought that was
Speaker 1: having him fairly low, like guys like Curtis Samuel and
Speaker 1: Juju and are ahead of him. He uh, he would
Speaker 1: have been a fifth year option type and they didn't.
Speaker 1: They like declined it. To me, that's that's a red flag,
Speaker 1: like they I know he had a nice year, but
Speaker 1: they valued him so little a year ago that you
Speaker 1: didn't even give him that, which is its own conversation.
Speaker 1: They've down done that back to back years with Conklin
Speaker 1: and Corey Davis, and I don't know if that's really
Speaker 1: paid off for them, but I'm with you, I I
Speaker 1: would be a little worried about him just because he's
Speaker 1: like young coming off a good season, doesn't mean he's
Speaker 1: worth huge money. Their offense too, seems like it clicks
Speaker 1: because all those parts fit together so well. And like
Speaker 1: I'm with you that if he goes somewhere else and
Speaker 1: it's just an add on, like I would much prefer
Speaker 1: like Curtis Samuel for instance, I think he could kind
Speaker 1: of do it all for anyone. They got a lot
Speaker 1: out of him last year, like you had, I believe
Speaker 1: at number one hundred, my boy Brashad Perryman another example,
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna go get Berryman, don't do what
Speaker 1: the Jets did last year, which is hope he's going
Speaker 1: to be your big deep threat on the outside and
Speaker 1: really need a big presence. You gotta kind of slot
Speaker 1: him in the way he was in Tampa his last
Speaker 1: season there where he's just the piece of the puzzle
Speaker 1: and then he could give you things. It's about, um,
Speaker 1: what you're asking for. Certain guys. Richard Sherman at fifty nine,
Speaker 1: um more like an age thing that you could get
Speaker 1: sucked into the name brand side of things. And I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna how many thirty three year
Speaker 1: old cornerbacks play the game at a high level. I
Speaker 1: know he's a legend, or maybe not a legend, but
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer most likely. Um. That one was
Speaker 1: on my radar Antonio Brown at sixty four. I think
Speaker 1: you kind of wrote about it, Greg, But I don't
Speaker 1: like him anywhere but under you know, Tom Brady's thumb
Speaker 1: and having that situation under control. Um, Hassan Reddick, he's interesting.
Speaker 1: We talked about him earlier with UM with the news
Speaker 1: of J. J. Watt. I would like something, Greg, Maybe
Speaker 1: I'd be interested in your inside on this one, because
Speaker 1: he had that historic level game last November or December
Speaker 1: whatever it was that spiked his numbers. But is is
Speaker 1: he a guy that, oh, I'm I'm a team desperate
Speaker 1: for a pass Rushes Reddick gonna be actually the guy
Speaker 1: you want? Or was that a bit of an inflated situation.
Speaker 1: A guy that hadn't done a ton in his first
Speaker 1: few years, right, another guy that would could have been
Speaker 1: a fifth year option and they didn't even put like
Speaker 1: he was on my potential cuts list going into last season.
Speaker 1: That's how much he transformed his career. I always am
Speaker 1: wary of those guys that just have you gotta look
Speaker 1: at the last four years, not just like the one year,
Speaker 1: like where they suddenly pop. Sometimes it sticks though, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it sticks and they change their career. But I
Speaker 1: would be wary. He reminds me a little bit of
Speaker 1: he's not, you know, nearly the player, but de Ford
Speaker 1: a few years ago. We're kind of popped up and
Speaker 1: had one good year after having a lot of hype,
Speaker 1: and that has not worked out for the four well.
Speaker 1: A friend of the show, Jason Zumwald, who is a
Speaker 1: Cardinals super fan, also felt like Reddick last year was
Speaker 1: used correctly for the first time, and with with Jones
Speaker 1: out of the lineup, we kind of saw what he
Speaker 1: could do. But you're right, and it kind of if
Speaker 1: I could throw one buyer beware in there too, someone
Speaker 1: like Matt jude On for instance. I just am weary
Speaker 1: of Ravens guys and it's sort of is the Paul
Speaker 1: Krueger type thing that happened where he was massively overpaid,
Speaker 1: went to Cleveland and never really was the same guy
Speaker 1: that like, is this because of the Ravens with some
Speaker 1: of these players or is it because they could do
Speaker 1: that anywhere and they're a defense that they're big free
Speaker 1: agents to come out of there. Um, I'm always a
Speaker 1: little bit suspective. McPhee was another one. Zadarius Smith is
Speaker 1: kind of the one exception. But I'm totally with you,
Speaker 1: Like he he is a guy, Jude, and I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of respect. Is like try hard guy,
Speaker 1: lunch pale guy, and he's gonna do all that you
Speaker 1: want him on your team. But is he like something
Speaker 1: like awesome d Drasher outside of Baltimore. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Nobody's even using. Like children don't even know what lunch
Speaker 1: pails are at this point. My kids, Uh, they bring
Speaker 1: in they bring in school lunch. You're right, it's not
Speaker 1: I think he had I should introduce my children to
Speaker 1: lunch boxes. It's not a thing in our house. I'll
Speaker 1: speak only for my children. And Ricky hit the generator
Speaker 1: L six in the deep breaches of the top one
Speaker 1: oh one, sing that will be Dan Arnold the tight
Speaker 1: end out of Arizona. Five minutes at Dan Arnold, Dan,
Speaker 1: I really don't have much to say at all on
Speaker 1: Dan Arnold, and it looks like neither to you because
Speaker 1: you just have basically his weight. And wait, yeah, he
Speaker 1: made some big plays for them, but I think he
Speaker 1: could get him at a good value and need over,
Speaker 1: he'd exceed what you what you might be guessing, I
Speaker 1: mean that dead light. No, I like it. First of all,
Speaker 1: Dan Arnold. It's Kevin Arnold's dad on The Wonder Years,
Speaker 1: so that's something. Well it's but here he's he's The
Speaker 1: one point I want to make on Dan Arnold would
Speaker 1: be is you know he's only two pounds. If you're
Speaker 1: two pounds, just like be a tight end, call yourself
Speaker 1: a tight end, and suddenly you're like one of the
Speaker 1: most athletic pass catching tight ends in the league. I
Speaker 1: don't know why he's a tight end and not a
Speaker 1: wide receiver what it is exactly, because he is like
Speaker 1: unbelievably athletic. But it's like if then if he's a receiver,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be then impressed by the way. The actor
Speaker 1: that portrayed Kevin Arnold's father was Dan Laura Um and
Speaker 1: his name on the show was John or Jack Arnold. Well,
Speaker 1: certain you can stay can absolutely absolutely all right, generate
Speaker 1: me a Okay, this is better. Let's get into the
Speaker 1: top thirty again. Number twenty eight. It falls on Hunter Henry,
Speaker 1: another tight end. Okay, you know, I I think you
Speaker 1: you had this one uh hit well, Greg that he's
Speaker 1: a guy that's battled a lot of injuries, obviously, and
Speaker 1: that's something to keep in mind. But he's still just
Speaker 1: twenty six and who knows, maybe his best football is
Speaker 1: ahead and he becomes the guy that the Chargers thought
Speaker 1: he was out of college, which is like a true
Speaker 1: star um guy that would take the crown from Antonio
Speaker 1: Gates and just pile up on thousand yard seasons. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's not that guy, but if he stays healthy, he's
Speaker 1: a perfectly uh serviceable six hundred to seven and fifty
Speaker 1: yard guy with a handful of touchdowns and teams will
Speaker 1: take that. Yeah. I think of those games where he
Speaker 1: helped win up at the end with Herbert and Rivers
Speaker 1: over the last few years. How many of those like
Speaker 1: game winning drives they had where it included a twenty
Speaker 1: yards shot up to seem to Henry. They might tag
Speaker 1: him the second straight year. He would be like the
Speaker 1: second highest paid tight end in the league. It gets
Speaker 1: into a weird situation, but it's possible. I like him
Speaker 1: and Johnny Smith. I put Johnny Smith one spot ahead
Speaker 1: of Henry, but both those guys are are pretty good
Speaker 1: tight ends to be available. And I had to also
Speaker 1: say like because of the injuries and in some you know,
Speaker 1: changes on on a team too, it's like tight ends,
Speaker 1: it's not unusual that they really start to find their
Speaker 1: way in year three or four. And he hasn't really
Speaker 1: had like these consistent starts, So I think he'd be
Speaker 1: a good signing, but I'd like to see him stay
Speaker 1: with the Chargers and not pull weapons away from Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: Now I'm worried about Herbert the whole, Like you just
Speaker 1: hired Joe Lombardi to be their offensive coordinator. I feel
Speaker 1: like has been under the radar and is concerning Austin Hooper,
Speaker 1: who was a big tight end signing last year in
Speaker 1: free agency that the Browns got four forty two. I
Speaker 1: wonder if that kind of and I don't think he
Speaker 1: I don't think that he did what they thought he would.
Speaker 1: So you've gotta you gotta be careful what you're paying
Speaker 1: some of these guys. Uh hit the generator again, right,
Speaker 1: make up play Hooper. I finally made a play right
Speaker 1: at the end of Alright, let's move down to spot
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel wide Receiver. I like this one. Greg. You
Speaker 1: you sumthing up well in your blurb. Speaking of things
Speaker 1: we miss with West, we used to play the game
Speaker 1: where we would guess Mark and I who wrote which blurb? Obvious,
Speaker 1: very obvious. But the best were when West would uh
Speaker 1: kind of drift off and get a little bit more
Speaker 1: philosophical about something, and the blurb would just be like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: where did this come from? Um? None of those, but
Speaker 1: if you want to read some of the older one
Speaker 1: oh ones, the blurbs were a thing, uh piece of
Speaker 1: art itself. Not to take anything away from your blurbs, Greg,
Speaker 1: which are very good as well. Now they were, you
Speaker 1: know those like one liners and Dan Arnold at like
Speaker 1: eight pm on a Friday, think what the am I
Speaker 1: doing here? Uh? You're a master of brevity, though, I
Speaker 1: will say that's some very tough skill in writing. And
Speaker 1: you and you find a way to say something in
Speaker 1: one or two sentences that UM grows upon. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: the old editor. I do try to go back and
Speaker 1: and and and take out a lot on this on
Speaker 1: the edit, how we built him back up there, Mark,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not great. I'm not I'm not taking anything,
Speaker 1: but I do try to knock out a lot of
Speaker 1: words on the edit. Uh. My favorite thing on the
Speaker 1: one oh one rite ups that we're when west Complete,
Speaker 1: especially in the early years, completely disagreed with my ranking,
Speaker 1: and then even then when it averaged out and then
Speaker 1: he got a sign that guy and it'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's say it was Jamis. Let's say you gotta sign Jamis.
Speaker 1: He would just bury it and it would make no
Speaker 1: sense and be like number one player Jenevi and Connie.
Speaker 1: This guy is a trash. He did a little with
Speaker 1: Brady last year, um a Brady and Breeze. He thought
Speaker 1: we're way too high and he just kind of like
Speaker 1: buried them. Anyways, these old guys can barely get out
Speaker 1: of bed. It's like, Curtis Samuel. What I was getting
Speaker 1: at was that your blurb points out that he's a
Speaker 1: perfect type of receiver for a lot of the way
Speaker 1: football has played on offense right now. He's awesome, And
Speaker 1: it just goes to show how much a coach can
Speaker 1: change your value because now you see all the different
Speaker 1: things that he could do under Matt Rule, and I
Speaker 1: was so excited when they would give him carries. He
Speaker 1: was such a good running back. He was a good
Speaker 1: inside running back. It really showed a skill set that
Speaker 1: was unique. A hundred you don't want to do it
Speaker 1: too much. He's a hundred hundred pounds, but he had
Speaker 1: this weird mix kind of like Antonio Gibson with Washington,
Speaker 1: although you know he's obviously not as much of a
Speaker 1: round where he's like your speed guy on end a rounds,
Speaker 1: but also can be like a power runner who breaks tackles.
Speaker 1: I don't know, they just didn't used to have players
Speaker 1: like that. It's pretty cool they. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it helped have Christian McCaffrey out of the X and
Speaker 1: you saw more we could do. And I think he
Speaker 1: gets paid well because you could see him fitting with
Speaker 1: so many different teams to your point in and it
Speaker 1: just fits what offenses today. And I think, if anything,
Speaker 1: you'd have to thank Matt Rule and friends for really
Speaker 1: um showcasing him last weeks a huge money. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: totally with you, all right, Um, I had some value
Speaker 1: buys here, so I'm gonna throw a few out there
Speaker 1: you have t Y Hilton at forty seven. We saw
Speaker 1: what he did at the end of the season. Has
Speaker 1: to go to the right location, right team if he
Speaker 1: doesn't stay in Indy, but I like the idea of
Speaker 1: him have another year in the tank. I had mentioned
Speaker 1: Dalton at forty eight. I think he's a great backup,
Speaker 1: fringe starter guy. Chris Carson the running back at fifty three,
Speaker 1: Nelson agil Are you have at fifty six, and Marvin
Speaker 1: Jones at fifty seven, two veteran receivers agl are finally
Speaker 1: broke out. I think both of those guys are far
Speaker 1: better options than Sammy Watkins, who you have at sixty.
Speaker 1: And then two guys coming off Achilles with Indie that
Speaker 1: I would think would be well worth a flyer, Marlon
Speaker 1: Mack at eighty four and Malik Hooker at ninety two.
Speaker 1: I think any of those guys, if things fall the
Speaker 1: right way, you might get um nice production at a
Speaker 1: deflated cost. Yeah. I always think injured guys are an
Speaker 1: undervalued part of the market, like so so many of
Speaker 1: the best value deals over the years, like Jason Varette
Speaker 1: last year. Granted the forty Niners had to do it
Speaker 1: a couple of times to get it to pop. But
Speaker 1: are just guys coming off injuries that end up being
Speaker 1: like great players, but their their value. I like, I
Speaker 1: like Marlon Mack, I'm with you. There isn't that shortsighted?
Speaker 1: I mean, shouldn't front offices have that same view. It's
Speaker 1: like we only forget, we only really remember what people
Speaker 1: have done so recently that the injury kind of takes
Speaker 1: so much money away from these guys. Yeah, like the
Speaker 1: one year deal, Like Sammy Watkins is a guy that
Speaker 1: at this point it's been so often that it makes
Speaker 1: sense you're gonna he's gonna get discounted. But even he,
Speaker 1: like Sammy Watkins, is the ultimate, Like he's how old?
Speaker 1: How is he only twenty seven or eight? Still, it's
Speaker 1: like it's it doesn't make anything. Well it's finally yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. He still is twenty seven seven for
Speaker 1: seven years, um, but he's final. And now he's twenty
Speaker 1: eight and he's back in free agency. I think he
Speaker 1: needs to now hand the crown over to Juju Smith
Speaker 1: Schuster for wait, this guy is still only twenty seven,
Speaker 1: Like Juju in three years will only be twenty seven.
Speaker 1: It feels like he's been in the league for fifteen years,
Speaker 1: so maybe he gets the crew. Fo. Wow, that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be interested how he gets paid because he's like
Speaker 1: maybe not what people are looking for, like a Curtis
Speaker 1: Samuel type, but he is. I think you shouldn't just
Speaker 1: sleep on like a good physical number two receiver. He
Speaker 1: should still do fine, especially for the Steelers and you
Speaker 1: just you're bringing back Big Ben. He's perfect for Ben
Speaker 1: if you're serious about, you know, having some kind of
Speaker 1: talk about a bunch pale guy. Ever, people get on
Speaker 1: This is why he annoys me. People get on Juju
Speaker 1: for the social media stuff. It's like, if there's someone
Speaker 1: in the NFL that has the spirit of like heinz
Speaker 1: Ward or these like these rugged like blocking gonna like
Speaker 1: take the hardest hit possible over the middle guy that
Speaker 1: you would think would you know people would like that toughness.
Speaker 1: That's Juju. He sort of as a weirdly cast as
Speaker 1: this like you know, flaky guy, but that's how he
Speaker 1: plays football. He's a studying contrast, is what he is.
Speaker 1: One more time with the Generator and then we'll say, Generators,
Speaker 1: we're getting our money's worth from this thing. We paid
Speaker 1: like seven thousand dollars for its sixty seven. Uh, Mark
Speaker 1: go sixty seven, Mark Sessler, Kawan Williams, You know, I
Speaker 1: think Kwan Williams um, you know, another guy that's gone
Speaker 1: through so much with injuries, but was such um a
Speaker 1: signature type Robert Slid guy last year who just they
Speaker 1: got the most out of it. When you look at
Speaker 1: the Niners, Chris steven Tart, it's Richard Sherman, Slid has gone.
Speaker 1: Kawan Williams has gone a lot of issues with like
Speaker 1: theyn't have to do They're gonna their defense is gonna
Speaker 1: look and feel so much different. But Kwan Williams was
Speaker 1: an old Mike Petton dude. And even too, I think
Speaker 1: he's um, he's a good player. It's just been durability.
Speaker 1: I think you know when he's when he's not been available,
Speaker 1: But um, he played well for the Niners when he
Speaker 1: was on the Why do you disagree with sixty seven
Speaker 1: because I know you do. No, Because I think, first
Speaker 1: of all, and this is why I think that there's
Speaker 1: a real skill to the way that Greg and West
Speaker 1: did this list. Is that to me, when you get
Speaker 1: past like sixty, I kind of just see them all
Speaker 1: the same for the most part. It's like they're to
Speaker 1: me like there's no difference between sixty seven and seventy seven,
Speaker 1: So you're not you know, I can manufacture a hot take.
Speaker 1: How about put him at sixty one on our list?
Speaker 1: And I think we had him up at maybe sixty five,
Speaker 1: which is you know, that shows that we think a
Speaker 1: little bit more about him, but we're keeping our list
Speaker 1: under wraps this time around. Um, you know, no reason
Speaker 1: for for controversy. I think that's a smart thing right
Speaker 1: now where we are as a podcast. But mark Um,
Speaker 1: off the top of your head, where should Jamis Winston
Speaker 1: be on the top one a one free agent list?
Speaker 1: I put him at I put him on in the
Speaker 1: low forties. I But here's the thing. I'm completely with
Speaker 1: Greg that if you're going to sign up for a
Speaker 1: quarterback that's in the start fourteen games andy and he's serviceable,
Speaker 1: he's good. He's much more valuable than than almost anyone
Speaker 1: else on this list. Maybe I'm the only one that
Speaker 1: remembers the game in London that we attended. H Jameis
Speaker 1: Winston only had seventeen turnovers. I think it's if you
Speaker 1: put them with Sean Payton, I that's the thing. If
Speaker 1: you put them, if you put him with you know,
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer, no, thank you. So it's like I to me,
Speaker 1: it's about worry Lands. It's one of those things he
Speaker 1: started out probably around forty and then it's like you
Speaker 1: do it again. You move I like we need to
Speaker 1: move them up a little bar. You move them up
Speaker 1: a little bar. But now, if like the file was
Speaker 1: due after this podcast, I would move them just back
Speaker 1: to form, just from your just from your influence, Rickey.
Speaker 1: We need like a bell now whenever Mark gets in
Speaker 1: one of his Pat Shermer digs, we gotta have just
Speaker 1: like a little bell that rings. It's like, does anyone
Speaker 1: else not see a difference between Sean Payton and right,
Speaker 1: I think that No, I think you nailed it. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that you do find a way to bring
Speaker 1: that man up in a negative context very often on
Speaker 1: this program. That's all. Is he still the Broncos offensive coordinator?
Speaker 1: By the way, I think he is? Right? They never
Speaker 1: yes fire him because he ultimately listened. The thing about
Speaker 1: him is like I get it, Mark, like he was
Speaker 1: a bust in Cleveland. But you could have put you know,
Speaker 1: a peak Lombardi in there at that time, and no
Speaker 1: head coach is going to come out of that alive. Well,
Speaker 1: it was more than um, there was. I believe it
Speaker 1: was Mike Lombardi who wrote that he had was getting
Speaker 1: phone calls sort of you know, unasked for from people
Speaker 1: saying that whenever we watched patch s Turmer's offense, we
Speaker 1: know what the play is before the snap. Didn't consider
Speaker 1: the source there, but yeah, well I am, but I
Speaker 1: just that stuck out to me. And then when I
Speaker 1: watched them play, it was like they do seem kind
Speaker 1: of milk toast and predictable, and I don't think that
Speaker 1: he's disproven that with the Giants and the Broncos. One
Speaker 1: of those guys though that when I saw in person,
Speaker 1: I remember after the Vikings lost in the NFC Championship, UM,
Speaker 1: more swollen than you would expect, like very good and
Speaker 1: uh and a good looking guy in his forties, more
Speaker 1: than I really would have thought. You know, it kind
Speaker 1: of seemed like a forgettable guy, but he was like
Speaker 1: he was. He was pretty jacked, and I conveniently forgot
Speaker 1: the Vikings um part of his career, which was spectacular.
Speaker 1: So consider the source on that front. It was like
Speaker 1: case king and running around and like throwing like up
Speaker 1: in the air, and it seemed a little wild. It
Speaker 1: seemed a little wild. Yeah he got I mean what,
Speaker 1: he got a lot. He got a head coaching job
Speaker 1: out of it, so I don't feel too it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: He went to the Giants and he got old Man
Speaker 1: Eli and the first year of Daniel Jones and the
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven and twelve Browns, Like, what's going
Speaker 1: on there? I think that's Manzell and maybe Josh m
Speaker 1: it was it was Cult McCoy and to Brandon Weed
Speaker 1: and we're past cut to my text before the show,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, if we if we have a
Speaker 1: forty minute show, there's no hard there's no crime in
Speaker 1: that cut to you know, minute seventy two where we've
Speaker 1: talked Pat Sherman for five stream. That's why it's gotten
Speaker 1: to the point where I don't usually reply to to
Speaker 1: those not out of it againy like animosity or anything.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, okay, it's if that ever happens, I
Speaker 1: will be happily stunned. Hey, hit us up on Twitter
Speaker 1: if you think the show is too long. We'll reconvene
Speaker 1: and restrategize. Um, Greg, good work, buddy, that is at
Speaker 1: all serious. It's not. That's a tough one. Um, as
Speaker 1: we go through this, and you guys are so linked
Speaker 1: on that top one oh one, so you did it
Speaker 1: alone as you had to, and uh, it's good stuff.
Speaker 1: So check it out NFL dot com slash top one
Speaker 1: oh one. Um, next time you hear from us will
Speaker 1: be Thursday, and we will have a special guest lined up. UM,
Speaker 1: so make sure you a former general manager in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He actually is. He's been on our show one other time,
Speaker 1: if you if people really wanted to try to show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was actually on our show when they were like
Speaker 1: redoing the podcast studio at our old office, which we
Speaker 1: haven't seen in a year now. So this particular person,
Speaker 1: um was we were like almost in like a closet,
Speaker 1: utility closet, and he couldn't have been more of a
Speaker 1: professional at that time. And it was also it was
Speaker 1: um it was a part of the studio, the television
Speaker 1: studio where we were doing it, and I think it
Speaker 1: was about twenty five degrees and there were I remember
Speaker 1: us complaining heavily because we're two or three shows in
Speaker 1: that room that it was untenable to conditions. This is
Speaker 1: why I really wonder, like, what, what what has happened
Speaker 1: to me? Because I really don't remember this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember that studio set up, but I don't remember
Speaker 1: this guest being us with us there. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just trust you. I do. Yeah. I have some theories
Speaker 1: why the short term memories not there, But then we'll
Speaker 1: we'll we'll get to that in another show, all right, Yes,
Speaker 1: so we'll be back thursday. Uh, this is Dan Hansons
Speaker 1: signing off for the old Boss, the Quiet Storm, Ricky
Speaker 1: Hollywood behind the virtual glass. Until then, he'd the call.
Speaker 1: How about that