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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, Mad Woman engaged herself to me.

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Speaker 1: We welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis. I come to you from

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Speaker 1: a virtual room filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the great great quest stories. And not

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Speaker 1: only because it's a great story tying back to West's

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Speaker 1: past and a woman that was a very dead set

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Speaker 1: her life should be, which included getting married fairly quickly

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Speaker 1: and then having kids and settling down I believe in Cincinnati. Um.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that West told the story so often,

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Speaker 1: uh and mentioned it so often it tickled him to

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Speaker 1: no end. So it kind of hit. It hit on

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Speaker 1: two levels. So you know, another great reminder of Chris Westling.

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Speaker 1: I never knew that woman's real name. I just knew

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Speaker 1: her by that tagline she engaged yourself to me. M

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Speaker 1: Uh today, any thoughts that I can go? I thought you,

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Speaker 1: I thought you said it. Well. I don't know much

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Speaker 1: about her, No nobody does. She was basically that woman

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Speaker 1: for many years in the lore of the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL podcast. Uh. Speaking of West, this is um a

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Speaker 1: bittersweet episode, uh for us because Greg rolled out his

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Speaker 1: top one oh one NFL free Agents of one And

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Speaker 1: if you have any knowledge in back history of the show,

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Speaker 1: and I'll speak personally on this, I loved the Top

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Speaker 1: one oh one because it's it's really the the the

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Speaker 1: no end was about the Top one oh one where

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Speaker 1: Greg and West would come up with their own lists

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Speaker 1: and then kind of work together to figure out a

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Speaker 1: final one oh one. Mark and I even countered with

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Speaker 1: our own like underground list that people really seemed to enjoy,

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Speaker 1: um and maybe in some levels on some level with superior.

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Speaker 1: But the one that was the cannon for NFL media

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Speaker 1: was the West Greg addition, and we're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: that today. Um, in addition to some news in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: including a big decision by one of the great defensive

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Speaker 1: players of the last twenty five years. But Greg, you did,

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Speaker 1: I thought you really, uh you know, well written and

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Speaker 1: well thought out the intro for the Top one on one.

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Speaker 1: Uh you you kind of reminisced about the exercise and

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Speaker 1: doing it with West all those years. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: there's no right answer, but it was really emotional for

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Speaker 1: me last week, UM doing this and just everything like

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Speaker 1: it's still so fresh, you know what I mean. Um,

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Speaker 1: But I did think about how West and I's relationship

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Speaker 1: was so much about like arguing. It started that way,

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Speaker 1: like on AOL instant messenger at Rooda World, that fantasy rankings,

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Speaker 1: I do think it mellowed out in the last few years.

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Speaker 1: I remember us like trying to rank where Justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: curious about what else they could have behind center, and

428
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: that you know, Carolina seems, you know, dead set on

429
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: moving on from Teddy Bridgewater. This was kind of buried

430
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: in a Carolina article of what they might do, and

431
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: it sounded like the forty Niners checked in maybe early

432
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: in the off season, especially when you're getting all these

433
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: Panthers want to do this and that reports um, you know,

434
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: including this. You know they went hard after stafford um

435
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: and since nothing had happened since then, John Lynch and

436
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: Shanahana kind of come out pretty strong for Jimmy G.

437
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: It makes me think maybe they were just checking in

438
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: to say, hey, if you want to give Teddy away,

439
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: like we take them. But you know, they're just they're

440
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: poking around. I'm with you, Dad, I think they're gonna

441
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,239
Speaker 1: bring into My guess is that they're bringing someone with

442
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: Jimmy G. And maybe it'll be a Teddy type or

443
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be like a rookie what we'll see. I mean,

444
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: John Lynch has sort of been vocal about the fact

445
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: that they needed to upgrade the backup quarterback position. And

446
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: if you're if you want to go back to the

447
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: what ifs had this had the Patriots signed Jimmy G

448
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: and um, you know, a little bit earlier and and

449
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: not allowed Tom Brady to stay there as long, I mean,

450
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: which would have been a nonsensical move. I mean, Jimmy

451
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: G is what Tom and Brady is not in the

452
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 1: sense that he's not stayed healthy. And you've got these

453
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that you know, maybe they are not elite, but

454
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: they are giving you availability week after week, and they

455
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: we've seen two seasons under Kyle Shanahan go totally haywire

456
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: because Jimmy G got hurt and he get he gets

457
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: more out of backup quarterbacks than anyone in the league,

458
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: I'd say, And so maybe if it's Teddy, not as

459
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: a clear competitor, but someone that comes in and can

460
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: prevent the Niners, who would have been a playoff team

461
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: last year minus the health issues. UM more security at

462
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: the most important position. UM. In other orter back news,

463
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: rap sheet reported that the Washington football team is ready

464
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: to part ways with Alex Smith, a thirty six year

465
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: old reigning comeback Player of the Year. We know his story.

466
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: It's inspirational, aspirational. Is it both inspirational and aspirational? You

467
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: could aspire to do the same thing. I I don't

468
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: think many athletes would want to duplicate what happened to

469
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: Alex Smith so far, Tiger Woods would like to he

470
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: aspires to have a similar path. Anyway, He's owed twenty

471
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: six million this year and Washington saves a substantial amount

472
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: of money if they cut him before June one. Uh so, Mark,

473
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: it looks like the end of the road for Alex

474
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,239
Speaker 1: Smith and Washington. Uh it feels like a guy, if

475
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: he still wants to play, that would be an excellent

476
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: backup somewhere, right, Yeah, I mean, I I don't know.

477
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: At this point, we just don't have like eight or

478
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: nine quarterback positions UM that are like dangerously vacant. So

479
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: I don't know where that landing spot would be people

480
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: who mentioned the Jaguars because there's a relationship with her

481
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: Ad Meyer. Um, and they'll have a rookie and it

482
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: could be like, you know, he could go play. I

483
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: think it does make sense. And I mean even Alex Smith, um,

484
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, because he's one of the better guys out

485
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: there too, said look, I know that. I what happened

486
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: last year in Washington totally upended their process of looking

487
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: for like a long term quarterback. So I think if

488
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: you're a Washington fan, um, this was the desired result.

489
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: You don't go back into next season with that same situation.

490
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: You've got Taylor Heineke and you've gotta you draft someone

491
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: if you're not going to make a trade for someone

492
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: of name of note. Smith sent that a very like

493
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: honest interview with Esquire. You know, he said they kind

494
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: of messed he messed up their plans and this it

495
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: made me annoyed with the whole like sports blog of

496
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: blog of sphere. And you know we were part of

497
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: it too. I worked at PFT. It was part of

498
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, and I see what you're doing with the headline,

499
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: like Alex Smith, Colin, like I messed up Washington's plans.

500
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: But it's like, that's not He's like, we we want

501
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: our athletes to be honest in an interview, Like and

502
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: I you exactly what is saying. It was interested hearing

503
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: it from him that they basically thought he wasn't ever

504
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: gonna make it back and that they were going to

505
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: get the some of the cap space for him last

506
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: year and not have to pay him all this guaranteed money.

507
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: It's like, well, of course they thought that, Like, it

508
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: wasn't a crazy come back, and and the only reason

509
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: he even ended up on the field is because Kyle

510
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: Allen and Dwayne Haskins either Stunker got hurt. You know

511
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: that that was why he got on the field. I

512
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: was just I was actually impressed with how he played.

513
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: I thought he absolutely deserves a job. No, I'm not

514
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: saying he's like a top forty quarterback, but he's like

515
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: a backup type. And like those guys like him who

516
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: are so good with young quarterbacks, they last till they're

517
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: like thirty eight or thirty nine. Like so, I think

518
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: he does deserve a roster spot somewhere. If you're a coach,

519
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,239
Speaker 1: If you're a coach, think how much it would mean

520
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: to have Alex Smith on your team if you're not

521
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: leaning on him to be your starter. I mean sometimes

522
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback rooms are decided by the veterans that are

523
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: in there helping the younger starters to see things that

524
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: they never would otherwise. It's like Alex Smith ripped Ron Rivera. No,

525
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean was and while you could connect the dots

526
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: and that's how this this stuff goes often in our

527
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: league and you can say, Okay, send him to Jacksonville.

528
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: Is the backup? I don't know, Alex Smith. He's not

529
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: playing if Trevor Lawrence is healthy, I'll never get on

530
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 1: the field unless something terrible happened. I don't think he's

531
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: gonna have a chance to really compete for a starting

532
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: If that's maybe he will retire, Yeah, maybe he'll retire them.

533
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: Here's the second part of this, because I think he

534
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: would have value um as a backup. I wonder if

535
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: he's looking at some of these jobs where if I

536
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: have a path to get on the field, like Ryan

537
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick in Miami last year, Fitzpatrick's a free agent, UH

538
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh with Big Ben there, now, like maybe go go

539
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: in there and you you're the in case of emergency there.

540
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it is. And how about the Eagles. You know,

541
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: you go in there behind Jalen Hurts. If Jalen Hurts

542
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: doesn't progress, all of a sudden, you're you're on the

543
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: field again as the starter. I would think that he's

544
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: probably unless he wants to be a backup the rest

545
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: of his career. Would would want maybe got go on

546
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: a team where you had a chance to play here.

547
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I just think it'll be a hard

548
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: market for I. You know, I go on one hand

549
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: is saying I was impressed how well he played, you know, relatively,

550
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: and they won a lot of games with him. But

551
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: when you look at the free agent market, I don't

552
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: even think he's gonna crack my top one on one.

553
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: There's some pretty good backups out there, you know, Jamis

554
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: if you consider him a backup, whatever cam Is Fitzpatrick

555
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: Tyrod to me, I would take over Alex Smith at

556
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: this point probably What about the quarterback that you have

557
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: at one oh one? Oh yes, way, but sticking it.

558
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: We're getting there, getting there, We're getting there, all right.

559
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: And other news. Peter King read it during the off season,

560
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: read during the season too, but his Monday Morning Quarterback column.

561
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: UM had a nugget in it that a seventeen game

562
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: NFL regular season is quote highly likely this year. UH

563
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: one bye week, so it's wouldn't be two bye weeks

564
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Everything gets bumped back a week, so the

565
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: super Bowl hypothetically, which is played here in Los Angeles

566
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: February February six. You ask me, all, this is inevitable

567
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: and there's no sense fighting it. Although Mark, I'd love

568
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts on this, Um, I would say,

569
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: if you're gonna really start moving around the schedule in

570
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: February is a dead sports month, you might as well

571
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: just back it up and connect it with the weekend after,

572
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: which is President's Day weekend, and then do what we

573
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: should have had in this country for the last forty

574
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: years that the day after the Super Bowl is a

575
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: holiday where you don't have school and work for many people,

576
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Sunday becomes this big party

577
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: where you have to get up in the morning for

578
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: work and school. That would be my only tweek. But

579
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Speaker 1: I also don't need, Mark, I tell you this. I

580
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: don't need another extra week in the season and another

581
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: extra bye week. It already is very long for folks

582
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: like us, well it's of us. Yeah, I don't know.

583
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if like for some of these teams

584
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: when you get into you know, post November, where yes,

585
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: these certain champions are being forged, but other teams are

586
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: like wandering in total darkness. There's just a I could

587
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: think of a number of teams every year where it's like,

588
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: I don't it's a it's a it's not a joy

589
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 1: to watch them at this point, and I and and

590
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: their journey needs to end soon or not not later. Um.

591
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: But like I will say this that it was inevitable.

592
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: It's not a surprise at all. And based on what

593
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: King reported, looking at what that um Extra game would be,

594
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: it's a f C versus NFC with a different division

595
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: than you'd face that that year. So next year they

596
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: already have like the a f C North will be

597
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: battling on that that eight seventeen game against the NFC West,

598
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: and it creates some really spicy UM Extra matchups. So

599
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: that's a positive. They talked about, you know, Cleveland, based

600
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: on what I'm looking at here would play Arizona. So

601
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: here comes J. J. Watt to Cleveland to find out

602
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: which one of those two teams were the real super

603
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: Bowl contender. But then they're talking about, you know, the

604
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: wild Card weekend, which was, um, you know, there was

605
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: a lot going on wild Card Weekend with so many matchups,

606
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: but one of them would be moved to Monday night potentially,

607
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: so you know they are going to continue to put

608
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: as they can well, but you know, in a short week.

609
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: But the other here's the flip side of that, the

610
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: team that that plays that Monday night would have an

611
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: extra day or two of rest, um, coming out of

612
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: a really long regular season. So King was suggesting that

613
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches would like that. But you're right,

614
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: that's it's it's new territory. So on the other's end

615
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: of it, you're getting that extra okay, all right, I

616
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: mean this is or you're getting an entire off season

617
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: depending on who loses. We've been doing this too long

618
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: and this is very inside uh football or whatever. But

619
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: my first reaction to seeing this story takeoff was like

620
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: e n being like, well, it's like we've known this

621
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: for a long time. Why is he getting all the

622
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: credit for breaking this? You know, like because we I

623
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: guess we kind of had. But he was just like

624
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: putting the box around it. It's something I feel like

625
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: we've forgotten that this has been coming and and Goodell

626
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: has kind mentioned it, um, but here it is. It

627
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 1: does show the the power of the NFL that, like

628
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: all these TV deals are getting signed after the pandemic

629
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: with no problem, like doubling the money and rising the

630
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: money in the seventeenth week. I like the President's Day idea, Dan,

631
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: that's a really good idea, Um, but I don't want Yeah,

632
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: even one extra week seems like a lot right now.

633
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: I mean that that they're they're playing with fire. I

634
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: know it'll be fine, but I am one that believes

635
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: sixteen is a lot to ask. It's just different than

636
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: other sports. You know. That's why the players have had issues. Uh,

637
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: when you just think about the state that these teams

638
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: are in, like Mark said, it's it's just a lot

639
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: to ask on the body to make these guys play anymore.

640
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Speaker 1: It's just it's not like it's not like Baseball or whatever.

641
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: We can just throw extra games here there right in

642
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: the NBA, it's like there's all these discussions and you

643
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: know that I have my takes about the length of

644
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: regular seasons and other sports, but um, it's like, well, well,

645
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: let's rest Lebron for like ten games in a row,

646
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: because because I guess every game this year, I know

647
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: that's just utterly meaningless. But football isn't that way, and

648
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: you can't do that. But one little thing that I

649
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: that will annoy me um a lot visually and in

650
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: terms of just the way I think about teams. We

651
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: will never have an eight and eight team again. I

652
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: think that eight and eight sometimes perfectly describes what a

653
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: team is. And there are no five records, um, and

654
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Speaker 1: and unless what they'll probably do is turn it into

655
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: eighteen games. A few years from now, we've got nine

656
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: and nine teams, which also sits poorly with me. It

657
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: doesn't Jason garrett'shle legacy, like eight and eight was thank

658
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: you for a long time. An odd number. An odd

659
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: number is weird. But if you want to look at it,

660
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: half glass, glass full, and coaches will love this. It's like,

661
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, you're either above five

662
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: or you're below. Which side do you pick? Like they're

663
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of miles out of that. Well

664
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Speaker 1: you're right about that, um, all right. And by the way,

665
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: just looking at not the NFL calendar, straight up earth calendar.

666
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: Be aware that Christmas this year falls on a Saturday.

667
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: It will likely be two games on Saturday. So just

668
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Speaker 1: keep that in mind because I know we have young

669
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Speaker 1: children and families and lives and then and this speaks mark,

670
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: you and I have been doing this a long time

671
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: in NFL media. Greg. I think you might have even

672
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: been here the last time it happened. Sunday falls on

673
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Speaker 1: Christmas Day, So what are they gonna do? Just a

674
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: full slate of Saturday games. I think that's what they

675
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: do left, and that's why they did last time. Yeah, no,

676
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: I was there. I think that would have been. I

677
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: think it happened two years in a row for us,

678
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: didn't moved to Saturday, and then one day have to

679
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: move it back. You're right, we're in a bad little

680
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: a little couple of years here. We had a nice

681
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: little run there where it was the holidays are falling

682
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the week. Now it's banged time.

683
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: So just buckle up. Uh, the last little thing. I

684
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: hope all this Uh you know, we're kicking everything and

685
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: to overdrive here with the schedule. Are we still gonna

686
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: make one team play five preseason games? Can that part

687
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: if that isn't corrected to some degree back at least

688
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: one game that right there, they're chopping one game off.

689
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: But I think can we come out having learned anything

690
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: from this past season though? And I'm talking about O

691
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: T A s all this business. Can we be a

692
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: little bit less frenetic? Okay preseason? I mean, I think

693
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Speaker 1: O T s in the off season program are important.

694
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: Maybe we don't need to be so, you know, like

695
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: slaves to the coverage of it as much. But I

696
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: think that especially for the younger players the preseason, I'm

697
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: with you. How about this two preseason games case closed? Okay?

698
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: All right? Deshaun Watson, you know we touched on it

699
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: briefly on our last show that the Texans seems so

700
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: behind the times right now and not understanding, uh really anything,

701
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: having any awareness of what's happening in their building outside

702
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: their building. Rap Sheet reported um last week that no

703
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: one believes Deshaun Watson will be traded, and uh p

704
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: f T wrote something this week that Watson would lose

705
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: over twenty million if he sits out the season, and

706
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: this idea of Greg that the Texans, yes, all these

707
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: teams are trying to figure out there twenty plans and

708
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: and plants, and ostensibly so too are the Texans. But

709
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: at the same time, they're on their own timetable right

710
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: now and they're not even answering the phone when Deshaun

711
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: Watson calls come in. So the idea that this is

712
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: going to maybe go pass the draft, whether or not

713
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: Watson comes or goes, and how does that impact landing

714
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: spots and an interest in a trade. They're probably gonna

715
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: end up greg to screwing themselves on this and they'll

716
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: get value. Maybe that isn't at the same level if

717
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: they would have just accepted it now make the move

718
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: ahead of this draft. Uh, this could end up backfiring

719
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: on them. Well, I just think, like, what's the intent

720
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Speaker 1: of putting this all out there and so and answering

721
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: the phone, which is which to me is really interesting.

722
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: The Panthers reporters said that, you know, like there's that's

723
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: how they're deciding to play. I mean, they know what

724
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: they're doing. They know there's a chance that he might

725
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: not be there. But their strategy is we're not gonna

726
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: answer the phone. We're gonna put out there that we

727
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 1: got no timeline. We're digging in so that I take

728
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: out of that that a trade is you know, less

729
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: likely to happen before free agency. You know, when we

730
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: hear this about the deadlines, I don't think it's impossible.

731
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Speaker 1: I think if like the Panthers picked up the phone

732
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: and like before Nicki Casario could hang up there like

733
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: five first round picks or you know what I mean,

734
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, I think they would, they

735
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: would listen, but they're trying to drive the price up,

736
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: and it feels like the draft is more of the

737
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: flash point. But I'm not ruling out that the draft

738
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: could could be in play. I think something that's just

739
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, poisonous concern and concerning if you're David Culley,

740
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: the head coach who walked into this beast nest, and

741
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: I understand wanting the opportunity, and coaches have a mindset where,

742
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, we don't we don't um dwell on the negative.

743
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: We were gonna go in and succeed and come and

744
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 1: go around obstacles. But this is the biggest obstacle any

745
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: team in the NFL has faced in a long time.

746
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: And Watson is basically said to Collie when they talked,

747
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: like my issues aren't with you, and they're not with Nikissarios.

748
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: So those two making good with him has no impact

749
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: on this decision. It's it's much deeper. It's with the owner.

750
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: It's with the journey, the loss of trust and I

751
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: and and here's the problem, like what other core if

752
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: let's say they move on from Watson and this will

753
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: be for another day. But whether it's you're drafting a

754
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: rookie or bringing in another another young quarterback, like these

755
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: guys talk to each other. Um they all see what

756
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson has gone through, what he is um intending

757
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: to do with his career. They're not gonna be happy

758
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: to be there either. It's a mess. That's what's happening

759
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: in the news. All right, let's get to it. The

760
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Speaker 1: top one oh one, Greg, Where does this one stack

761
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: up in terms of pure talent in the top twenty

762
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: talent overall? Is this a good fridgent class a bad

763
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: one in the middle somewhere where would I? My instinct

764
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: was it wasn't as good as the last couple. But

765
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: then I went and looked back at these lists, and man,

766
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: there were some dark years, like in two thousand and

767
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: thirteen fifteen, where It's like Jariss Bird is number one

768
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: and it gets pretty So that's sort of what normally

769
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: happens because I'm anticipated so many of these top twenty

770
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: players are going to get the franchise tag, so you know,

771
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: you know Dak Allen Robinson, Leonard Williams, possibly Justin Simmons,

772
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin, uh, so many Taylor Mote and maybe Brandon

773
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: Shuff like so many of these guys that Goladay that

774
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: are in the top fifteen that you're like, oh, those

775
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: would be cool. Those will get tagged and then it's

776
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: not as spicy. But there's there's good depth I think

777
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: in the past Rush. I think there's good depth at safety. Uh,

778
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: it's not as many good wide receivers, I don't think.

779
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: I think there's more quarterbacks that are available than usual,

780
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: even though no one seems too excited about them. I

781
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: mean it's better than normal, like guys who can actually

782
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: be competent. Who was that again? You have the example Gyrus? Yes?

783
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: Um alright, So with that said, good little set up there, Greg,

784
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read off one through ten just if you

785
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 1: curious and check out the whole thing at NFL dot com.

786
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: Slash to top one on one. That's easy. You have

787
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,959
Speaker 1: doc at one, Trent Williams at two, Allen Robinson three,

788
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams look at you, buddy, all the way up

789
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: at number four, Justin Simmons five, Chris Godwin six, J. J.

790
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: Watts seven already off the board. So we're down to

791
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: a top one in a way almost to the point

792
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: where it happened so close to the published Greg that

793
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: maybe what comes out and then you give it a

794
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: true one on one vibe again. But then again you're

795
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: taking out some major name brand appeal there. I understand

796
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: that's not up to me, but yeah, once these guys

797
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: get tagged, they're gonna get taken out. So you have

798
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: to write up some extra ones. There's gonna be cut

799
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: guys at it. In this is living, breathing document. I

800
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: would imagine that this the what news development maybe even

801
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: shook up some some art attached with it if they

802
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: were to publish in certain ways that probably those sorts

803
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: of chaos for the people behind the scenes. Shack Barrett

804
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: much to Mark ster Grin up at number eight, Aaron

805
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: Jones The Running Back nine, and Taylor Morten um number ten. Okay,

806
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: so let's have some fun with this. First of all,

807
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: let's get Ricky involved. Um at some point, Ricky, I

808
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: want you to jump in and we'll do a random

809
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: pick generator and you just you're gonna throw number out there,

810
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna talk about whoever that is. You

811
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: want to do it. As an example, do one right

812
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: off the bat. Okay, let's say hold on the wheel

813
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: or anything. Yeah, I'm gonna pull up Google. Let's say,

814
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: let's check out our search history here. Oh, Ricky gotta

815
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: use incognito. Ricky gotta use alright, number twelve, Okay, right

816
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: off the top. Bud Dupree. That's a good one. All right,

817
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: So you got bud Dupre the edge rusher uh with

818
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: the Steelers age twenty eight, blew out his A C

819
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: L which was a major bummer and setback for the Steelers.

820
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: I like that one. I like the generator Greg right

821
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: off the bat, going with some intrigue. I like him

822
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: as a kind of a tough decision whether to go

823
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: all in on a guy like him. I do too,

824
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: because I think it gets at what to me was

825
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: the hardest part of ranking this class and the best

826
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: part of this class, which are the pass rushers. I

827
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: and I kept resorting, how you know, and Dupri was

828
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: lower for a while, and then I thought, you know,

829
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: e c ls are as big a deal as it

830
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: used to be, and it's more of like a three

831
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: year deal. And he's you know, really um diverse in

832
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: terms of his skill set. And so there's a whole

833
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: bunch of guys that I talked, you know, Shack Barrett

834
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: wats now off the board, but Shack Barrett, Dupre, Carl Lawson,

835
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: who I really like from Cincinnati, uh In gock Way

836
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: is out there, Matthew Judean is out there. How how

837
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: is the market going to value all these guys? They're

838
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: all pretty good pass rushers. I ultimately put do pretty

839
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: pretty high despite the torny cl because Trey Hendrickson is

840
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: another guy from New Orleans like him Dupre, we ended

841
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: up going up above all those guys because I just

842
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: I know, I think I know what I'm getting with him,

843
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: even coming off an injury. I think he's a little

844
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: more complete than the rest of those guys. Um. I

845
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: just want to get this out of the way because, uh,

846
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 1: you know, if West was involved with the list this year,

847
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: he'd definitely be lower by by virtue of the averaging

848
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: of the numbers. I cannot believe you have Jameis Winston

849
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: at twenty three on this list. I mean that is

850
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: You're it's almost like you're punking, Uh the audience here, Greg,

851
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: You're you're right up reads. It will take the right coach,

852
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: but Winston can improve a handful of starting quarterback situations.

853
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: Don't be surprised if that happens. Neron's first of all,

854
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: I like to know which which situations he's improving, and

855
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: Mark mentioned earlier one oh one one oh one? Is

856
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: is Mitch Trabinsky? Uh? And I am not a Mitch

857
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: Robinsky fan, but can you honestly tell me that these

858
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: men should be separated by seventy plus spots? Or you've

859
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: been drinking this Winston juice for so long and now

860
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: on top of you digging in your hills back with

861
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: West during the times of Mariotta, Winston back at draft time.

862
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: Now he's got that New Orleans Saints like slickness on him,

863
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: and you love that too, Like, why, how in the

864
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: hell is Jamis Winston a top twenty five free agent

865
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: based on the tape he's put out there in his

866
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: entire NFL career, Come all right, I did put in

867
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: the intro how I heard West's voice often while doing these,

868
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: and you know, one of it was like you gotta

869
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: be kindding me with Jamis? Was I mean he would

870
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: have put him at UH. And then I did bump

871
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: up guys like Mike Hilton, who I know West loves

872
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: to you know, for but uh, I look at quarterback

873
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: differently here where to me, if you have a chance

874
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: to even be an average starting quarterback, you get a

875
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: huge bump. I just think the position is worth so

876
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: much that that's why Winston cam Fitzpatrick's fairly high in

877
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: the top forty. UH. But Winston is the one out

878
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: of all of those uh that I would I think

879
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: has has a real chance to have a good second

880
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: part of his career. I know you're burying him, but

881
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 1: it's like, imagine if like Sam Donald had a third

882
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: of the stats that Jamis Winston did in his first

883
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: three years like he has produced. And here are the

884
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: teams he could upgrade as a starter, The Patriots, the Saints. Um,

885
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: I'd have to keep going through to find some more.

886
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not but I think he could be

887
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: a starter. And he's my favorite of all the free

888
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: agent quarterbacks him with Sean Payton, though I would be intrigued.

889
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: I would be intrigued to see what that what that

890
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: could be. And um he I am with you that.

891
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: Like for me, if I were if like you know,

892
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: eighty five people quit NFL dot Com and they had

893
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: me do this list, I would probably also put quarterbacks

894
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: just much higher than other positions. But that does beg

895
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: the question. And I couldn't be more down on Mitch

896
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: Drabinsky sitting him down at one oh one. Um, I

897
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: mean it's also kind of an intriguing number just to

898
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: put a quarterback. Apt We've done it in the past.

899
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: I know you have with Gino Smith and others, but

900
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean he's being a little devalued than at one

901
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: oh one because he could be a starter in certain

902
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,959
Speaker 1: situations depending on what happens. Well as I can't believe

903
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm defending you guys know this, but if there's any

904
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: new listeners, one on one is a special honor that

905
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: we we usually spend more time kind of debating who's

906
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: going to be the one on one This year. It's

907
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: got to have some pop. It had got it. Actually,

908
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't even make sense because as guys come on

909
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: and off the list with franchise tags and cuts, and

910
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: we still leave the anchor at one oh one, like

911
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: Travisky really would be moving up for a while, but

912
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: he just felt he felt good. That's that's my evaluation

913
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: that I don't think he I don't think he's good.

914
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: I I think he's just a an okay backup and

915
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: with limited upside. I have them lower than Tyrode, for instance.

916
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: And I get it, Greg, I mean, it's part of

917
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: this and it's why you're being paid is to project.

918
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: And you see Jamis Winston at sometimes and at some

919
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: time becoming because yes, I'm sure he put up numbers

920
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: that you could look back and say, oh, these pretty

921
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: good numbers, but he just never There's a reason Tampa

922
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: Bay got rid of him, um and he barely saw

923
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: the field last year, of course. And like, for instance,

924
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: you have Andy Dalton down. I mean, and and I'm

925
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: not saying Andy Dalton is anyone's like an example of

926
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 1: a star quarterback at this stage, but like, who would

927
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: I rather have as my backup or a fringe starter?

928
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: I would take Andy, even Ryan Fitzpatrick who you have,

929
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: which I was pleasantly surprised you have him higher than

930
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: I would have expected at the um. It just to

931
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: me again points out like what has Jamis Winston done,

932
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: uh in his career? I mean the sentience clearly Patrick

933
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: never been to the playoffs, but he's very clearly above

934
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: your Dalton line. Then Greg Jameis Winston, Oh, well he's

935
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: above Dalton. It's a good question. Uh, Like these are

936
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks and I'm throwing Cam in there, who

937
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: I haven't totally given up on either, Uh that I

938
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: would put below the Dalton scale. Actually, you know, in

939
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: terms of are they a franchise guy right now? Are

940
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: they better than average? But I think you could like

941
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: survive Jamis is twenty seven. That's part of it is

942
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: I do think there's a chance here he can have

943
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: this uh pretty good second back half of his career.

944
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: It's like think of Fitzpatrick at seven. I do think

945
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: that that there's there's a route here where he is

946
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: a a mid level starting quarterback. And I guess it

947
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: depends on how much you value that, Like was that

948
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: is that more than? Do you want that more than

949
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: Romeo Aquara? On these rankings, Like, I don't know, there's

950
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: no right answer you have Jake Briskett at sixty three.

951
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: I feel like in the sixties would have been my spot,

952
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,959
Speaker 1: uh for Jameis Winston. But that that's it's over. Let's

953
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: I want to throw a couple out there. Why don't

954
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: you do the Generator again? Yeah, let's hit the Generator

955
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: podcast to talk about him one. I'm sure I'll have

956
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: no end to the recently the Cowboys, Um, he was

957
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: a big comeback story. Uh. Is that somebody you want

958
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: on your team mark if you're looking first and pass rush.

959
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: I know what the Cowboys were trying like, they were

960
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: trying to do what I think another team could do,

961
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: is like you add them to what they thought would

962
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: be a spicy defense. I think it's just hard to

963
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: evaluate almost anyone from that Cowboys defense last year because

964
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: they were so disorganized that I mean, there were complaints

965
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: about the coordinator right away. Alton Smith, I thought, had

966
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: moments where you saw it and I mean, this is

967
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: still one of the most mesmerizing edge rushing UM athletes

968
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: and just physical presences that I can recall, like covering

969
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He was so incredibly um ferocious with

970
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: the Niners and created such havoc for him to go

971
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: away and go through all he did and come back

972
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: and look at times really productive for the Cowboys. I

973
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: would take a shot. I also think that like part

974
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: of free agency this time around is going to be

975
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: trying to get guys on lower money UM, shorter term

976
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: deals that might have a little upside. And this someone

977
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: you have to it's gonna be the right environment, the

978
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: right coach, the right situation. But why not he could

979
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: add a little pop to a team. I mean, I

980
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: don't think it's it's just you know, the teams are

981
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: gonna be core cap strapped. I kind of liked the

982
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: idea of him going somewhere and contributing. UM could have

983
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: been a comeback player of the year in a normal

984
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: year potentially, but he faded hard down the stretch. That

985
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: was why he got buried a little bit in these rankings.

986
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: I want to share some buyer bewares UM. When I

987
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: looked at your list, so maybe I disagree a little

988
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: bit with the placement, but not even so much about

989
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: where you have the place, but just thoughts about where

990
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: these guys are going forward. You have Corey Davis, He's

991
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: ranked number thirty two. UM. You know, once by time

992
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: a first round bust um and then he finally broke

993
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: out this past season and had almost a thousand yards

994
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: in four team games. I do have concerns Greg that

995
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: a team looks looks at that fifth season and says, Okay,

996
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: that's the guy that the Titans thought they were getting,

997
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: and then he moved him out of a situation where

998
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: you have the two thousand yard rusher and Derrick Henry

999
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: and A. J. Brown, the monster wide receiver on the outside,

1000
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: and you put him into a situation where it's not

1001
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: so and a really fine quarterback in Ryan Tannehill. If

1002
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: you don't put him into a situation where he's just

1003
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: a piece of the puzzle, I feel like that could

1004
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: go sideways. Yeah, I'm with you. I thought that was

1005
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: having him fairly low, like guys like Curtis Samuel and

1006
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: Juju and are ahead of him. He uh, he would

1007
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: have been a fifth year option type and they didn't.

1008
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: They like declined it. To me, that's that's a red flag,

1009
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: like they I know he had a nice year, but

1010
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: they valued him so little a year ago that you

1011
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: didn't even give him that, which is its own conversation.

1012
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: They've down done that back to back years with Conklin

1013
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: and Corey Davis, and I don't know if that's really

1014
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: paid off for them, but I'm with you, I I

1015
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: would be a little worried about him just because he's

1016
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: like young coming off a good season, doesn't mean he's

1017
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 1: worth huge money. Their offense too, seems like it clicks

1018
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: because all those parts fit together so well. And like

1019
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: I'm with you that if he goes somewhere else and

1020
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: it's just an add on, like I would much prefer

1021
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: like Curtis Samuel for instance, I think he could kind

1022
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: of do it all for anyone. They got a lot

1023
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: out of him last year, like you had, I believe

1024
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: at number one hundred, my boy Brashad Perryman another example,

1025
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna go get Berryman, don't do what

1026
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: the Jets did last year, which is hope he's going

1027
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: to be your big deep threat on the outside and

1028
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: really need a big presence. You gotta kind of slot

1029
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: him in the way he was in Tampa his last

1030
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: season there where he's just the piece of the puzzle

1031
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: and then he could give you things. It's about, um,

1032
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: what you're asking for. Certain guys. Richard Sherman at fifty nine,

1033
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: um more like an age thing that you could get

1034
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: sucked into the name brand side of things. And I

1035
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna how many thirty three year

1036
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: old cornerbacks play the game at a high level. I

1037
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: know he's a legend, or maybe not a legend, but

1038
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer most likely. Um. That one was

1039
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: on my radar Antonio Brown at sixty four. I think

1040
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: you kind of wrote about it, Greg, But I don't

1041
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: like him anywhere but under you know, Tom Brady's thumb

1042
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: and having that situation under control. Um, Hassan Reddick, he's interesting.

1043
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: We talked about him earlier with UM with the news

1044
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: of J. J. Watt. I would like something, Greg, Maybe

1045
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: I'd be interested in your inside on this one, because

1046
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: he had that historic level game last November or December

1047
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: whatever it was that spiked his numbers. But is is

1048
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: he a guy that, oh, I'm I'm a team desperate

1049
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: for a pass Rushes Reddick gonna be actually the guy

1050
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: you want? Or was that a bit of an inflated situation.

1051
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: A guy that hadn't done a ton in his first

1052
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: few years, right, another guy that would could have been

1053
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: a fifth year option and they didn't even put like

1054
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 1: he was on my potential cuts list going into last season.

1055
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: That's how much he transformed his career. I always am

1056
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: wary of those guys that just have you gotta look

1057
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: at the last four years, not just like the one year,

1058
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: like where they suddenly pop. Sometimes it sticks though, you know,

1059
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: sometimes it sticks and they change their career. But I

1060
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: would be wary. He reminds me a little bit of

1061
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: he's not, you know, nearly the player, but de Ford

1062
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: a few years ago. We're kind of popped up and

1063
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: had one good year after having a lot of hype,

1064
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: and that has not worked out for the four well.

1065
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: A friend of the show, Jason Zumwald, who is a

1066
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: Cardinals super fan, also felt like Reddick last year was

1067
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: used correctly for the first time, and with with Jones

1068
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: out of the lineup, we kind of saw what he

1069
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: could do. But you're right, and it kind of if

1070
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: I could throw one buyer beware in there too, someone

1071
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: like Matt jude On for instance. I just am weary

1072
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: of Ravens guys and it's sort of is the Paul

1073
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: Krueger type thing that happened where he was massively overpaid,

1074
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: went to Cleveland and never really was the same guy

1075
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: that like, is this because of the Ravens with some

1076
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: of these players or is it because they could do

1077
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: that anywhere and they're a defense that they're big free

1078
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: agents to come out of there. Um, I'm always a

1079
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: little bit suspective. McPhee was another one. Zadarius Smith is

1080
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: kind of the one exception. But I'm totally with you,

1081
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: Like he he is a guy, Jude, and I think

1082
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of respect. Is like try hard guy,

1083
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: lunch pale guy, and he's gonna do all that you

1084
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: want him on your team. But is he like something

1085
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: like awesome d Drasher outside of Baltimore. I don't know.

1086
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: Nobody's even using. Like children don't even know what lunch

1087
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: pails are at this point. My kids, Uh, they bring

1088
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: in they bring in school lunch. You're right, it's not

1089
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: I think he had I should introduce my children to

1090
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 1: lunch boxes. It's not a thing in our house. I'll

1091
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: speak only for my children. And Ricky hit the generator

1092
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: L six in the deep breaches of the top one

1093
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: oh one, sing that will be Dan Arnold the tight

1094
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: end out of Arizona. Five minutes at Dan Arnold, Dan,

1095
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: I really don't have much to say at all on

1096
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: Dan Arnold, and it looks like neither to you because

1097
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: you just have basically his weight. And wait, yeah, he

1098
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: made some big plays for them, but I think he

1099
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: could get him at a good value and need over,

1100
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: he'd exceed what you what you might be guessing, I

1101
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: mean that dead light. No, I like it. First of all,

1102
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: Dan Arnold. It's Kevin Arnold's dad on The Wonder Years,

1103
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: so that's something. Well it's but here he's he's The

1104
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: one point I want to make on Dan Arnold would

1105
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: be is you know he's only two pounds. If you're

1106
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: two pounds, just like be a tight end, call yourself

1107
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: a tight end, and suddenly you're like one of the

1108
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: most athletic pass catching tight ends in the league. I

1109
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: don't know why he's a tight end and not a

1110
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: wide receiver what it is exactly, because he is like

1111
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: unbelievably athletic. But it's like if then if he's a receiver,

1112
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be then impressed by the way. The actor

1113
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: that portrayed Kevin Arnold's father was Dan Laura Um and

1114
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: his name on the show was John or Jack Arnold. Well,

1115
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: certain you can stay can absolutely absolutely all right, generate

1116
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: me a Okay, this is better. Let's get into the

1117
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: top thirty again. Number twenty eight. It falls on Hunter Henry,

1118
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: another tight end. Okay, you know, I I think you

1119
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: you had this one uh hit well, Greg that he's

1120
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: a guy that's battled a lot of injuries, obviously, and

1121
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: that's something to keep in mind. But he's still just

1122
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: twenty six and who knows, maybe his best football is

1123
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: ahead and he becomes the guy that the Chargers thought

1124
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: he was out of college, which is like a true

1125
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: star um guy that would take the crown from Antonio

1126
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: Gates and just pile up on thousand yard seasons. Maybe

1127
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: he's not that guy, but if he stays healthy, he's

1128
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: a perfectly uh serviceable six hundred to seven and fifty

1129
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: yard guy with a handful of touchdowns and teams will

1130
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: take that. Yeah. I think of those games where he

1131
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: helped win up at the end with Herbert and Rivers

1132
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: over the last few years. How many of those like

1133
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: game winning drives they had where it included a twenty

1134
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: yards shot up to seem to Henry. They might tag

1135
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: him the second straight year. He would be like the

1136
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: second highest paid tight end in the league. It gets

1137
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: into a weird situation, but it's possible. I like him

1138
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: and Johnny Smith. I put Johnny Smith one spot ahead

1139
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: of Henry, but both those guys are are pretty good

1140
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: tight ends to be available. And I had to also

1141
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: say like because of the injuries and in some you know,

1142
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: changes on on a team too, it's like tight ends,

1143
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: it's not unusual that they really start to find their

1144
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: way in year three or four. And he hasn't really

1145
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: had like these consistent starts, So I think he'd be

1146
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: a good signing, but I'd like to see him stay

1147
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: with the Chargers and not pull weapons away from Justin Herbert.

1148
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: Now I'm worried about Herbert the whole, Like you just

1149
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: hired Joe Lombardi to be their offensive coordinator. I feel

1150
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: like has been under the radar and is concerning Austin Hooper,

1151
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: who was a big tight end signing last year in

1152
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: free agency that the Browns got four forty two. I

1153
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: wonder if that kind of and I don't think he

1154
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: I don't think that he did what they thought he would.

1155
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,479
Speaker 1: So you've gotta you gotta be careful what you're paying

1156
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: some of these guys. Uh hit the generator again, right,

1157
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: make up play Hooper. I finally made a play right

1158
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: at the end of Alright, let's move down to spot

1159
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel wide Receiver. I like this one. Greg. You

1160
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: you sumthing up well in your blurb. Speaking of things

1161
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: we miss with West, we used to play the game

1162
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: where we would guess Mark and I who wrote which blurb? Obvious,

1163
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: very obvious. But the best were when West would uh

1164
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: kind of drift off and get a little bit more

1165
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: philosophical about something, and the blurb would just be like, WHOA,

1166
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: where did this come from? Um? None of those, but

1167
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: if you want to read some of the older one

1168
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: oh ones, the blurbs were a thing, uh piece of

1169
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: art itself. Not to take anything away from your blurbs, Greg,

1170
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: which are very good as well. Now they were, you

1171
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: know those like one liners and Dan Arnold at like

1172
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: eight pm on a Friday, think what the am I

1173
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: doing here? Uh? You're a master of brevity, though, I

1174
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: will say that's some very tough skill in writing. And

1175
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: you and you find a way to say something in

1176
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: one or two sentences that UM grows upon. Maybe that's

1177
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: the old editor. I do try to go back and

1178
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: and and and take out a lot on this on

1179
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: the edit, how we built him back up there, Mark,

1180
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not great. I'm not I'm not taking anything,

1181
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: but I do try to knock out a lot of

1182
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: words on the edit. Uh. My favorite thing on the

1183
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: one oh one rite ups that we're when west Complete,

1184
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: especially in the early years, completely disagreed with my ranking,

1185
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: and then even then when it averaged out and then

1186
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: he got a sign that guy and it'd be like, yeah,

1187
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: let's say it was Jamis. Let's say you gotta sign Jamis.

1188
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: He would just bury it and it would make no

1189
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: sense and be like number one player Jenevi and Connie.

1190
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: This guy is a trash. He did a little with

1191
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: Brady last year, um a Brady and Breeze. He thought

1192
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: we're way too high and he just kind of like

1193
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: buried them. Anyways, these old guys can barely get out

1194
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: of bed. It's like, Curtis Samuel. What I was getting

1195
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: at was that your blurb points out that he's a

1196
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: perfect type of receiver for a lot of the way

1197
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: football has played on offense right now. He's awesome, And

1198
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: it just goes to show how much a coach can

1199
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: change your value because now you see all the different

1200
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: things that he could do under Matt Rule, and I

1201
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: was so excited when they would give him carries. He

1202
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: was such a good running back. He was a good

1203
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: inside running back. It really showed a skill set that

1204
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: was unique. A hundred you don't want to do it

1205
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: too much. He's a hundred hundred pounds, but he had

1206
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: this weird mix kind of like Antonio Gibson with Washington,

1207
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: although you know he's obviously not as much of a

1208
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: round where he's like your speed guy on end a rounds,

1209
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: but also can be like a power runner who breaks tackles.

1210
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, they just didn't used to have players

1211
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: like that. It's pretty cool they. I mean, I think

1212
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: it helped have Christian McCaffrey out of the X and

1213
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: you saw more we could do. And I think he

1214
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: gets paid well because you could see him fitting with

1215
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: so many different teams to your point in and it

1216
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: just fits what offenses today. And I think, if anything,

1217
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: you'd have to thank Matt Rule and friends for really

1218
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: um showcasing him last weeks a huge money. I'm I'm

1219
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: totally with you, all right, Um, I had some value

1220
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: buys here, so I'm gonna throw a few out there

1221
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: you have t Y Hilton at forty seven. We saw

1222
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: what he did at the end of the season. Has

1223
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: to go to the right location, right team if he

1224
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: doesn't stay in Indy, but I like the idea of

1225
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: him have another year in the tank. I had mentioned

1226
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: Dalton at forty eight. I think he's a great backup,

1227
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: fringe starter guy. Chris Carson the running back at fifty three,

1228
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: Nelson agil Are you have at fifty six, and Marvin

1229
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: Jones at fifty seven, two veteran receivers agl are finally

1230
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,479
Speaker 1: broke out. I think both of those guys are far

1231
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: better options than Sammy Watkins, who you have at sixty.

1232
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: And then two guys coming off Achilles with Indie that

1233
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: I would think would be well worth a flyer, Marlon

1234
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: Mack at eighty four and Malik Hooker at ninety two.

1235
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: I think any of those guys, if things fall the

1236
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: right way, you might get um nice production at a

1237
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: deflated cost. Yeah. I always think injured guys are an

1238
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: undervalued part of the market, like so so many of

1239
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: the best value deals over the years, like Jason Varette

1240
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: last year. Granted the forty Niners had to do it

1241
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: a couple of times to get it to pop. But

1242
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: are just guys coming off injuries that end up being

1243
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: like great players, but their their value. I like, I

1244
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: like Marlon Mack, I'm with you. There isn't that shortsighted?

1245
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, shouldn't front offices have that same view. It's

1246
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: like we only forget, we only really remember what people

1247
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: have done so recently that the injury kind of takes

1248
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: so much money away from these guys. Yeah, like the

1249
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: one year deal, Like Sammy Watkins is a guy that

1250
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: at this point it's been so often that it makes

1251
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: sense you're gonna he's gonna get discounted. But even he,

1252
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: like Sammy Watkins, is the ultimate, Like he's how old?

1253
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: How is he only twenty seven or eight? Still, it's

1254
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: like it's it doesn't make anything. Well it's finally yeah,

1255
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. He still is twenty seven seven for

1256
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: seven years, um, but he's final. And now he's twenty

1257
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,439
Speaker 1: eight and he's back in free agency. I think he

1258
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: needs to now hand the crown over to Juju Smith

1259
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: Schuster for wait, this guy is still only twenty seven,

1260
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,439
Speaker 1: Like Juju in three years will only be twenty seven.

1261
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: It feels like he's been in the league for fifteen years,

1262
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: so maybe he gets the crew. Fo. Wow, that's true. Yeah,

1263
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: I'll be interested how he gets paid because he's like

1264
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: maybe not what people are looking for, like a Curtis

1265
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: Samuel type, but he is. I think you shouldn't just

1266
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: sleep on like a good physical number two receiver. He

1267
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: should still do fine, especially for the Steelers and you

1268
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: just you're bringing back Big Ben. He's perfect for Ben

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Speaker 1: if you're serious about, you know, having some kind of

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Speaker 1: talk about a bunch pale guy. Ever, people get on

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Speaker 1: This is why he annoys me. People get on Juju

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Speaker 1: for the social media stuff. It's like, if there's someone

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Speaker 1: in the NFL that has the spirit of like heinz

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Speaker 1: Ward or these like these rugged like blocking gonna like

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Speaker 1: take the hardest hit possible over the middle guy that

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Speaker 1: you would think would you know people would like that toughness.

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Speaker 1: That's Juju. He sort of as a weirdly cast as

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Speaker 1: this like you know, flaky guy, but that's how he

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Speaker 1: plays football. He's a studying contrast, is what he is.

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Speaker 1: One more time with the Generator and then we'll say, Generators,

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Speaker 1: we're getting our money's worth from this thing. We paid

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Speaker 1: like seven thousand dollars for its sixty seven. Uh, Mark

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Speaker 1: go sixty seven, Mark Sessler, Kawan Williams, You know, I

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Speaker 1: think Kwan Williams um, you know, another guy that's gone

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Speaker 1: through so much with injuries, but was such um a

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Speaker 1: signature type Robert Slid guy last year who just they

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Speaker 1: got the most out of it. When you look at

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Speaker 1: the Niners, Chris steven Tart, it's Richard Sherman, Slid has gone.

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Speaker 1: Kawan Williams has gone a lot of issues with like

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Speaker 1: theyn't have to do They're gonna their defense is gonna

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Speaker 1: look and feel so much different. But Kwan Williams was

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Speaker 1: an old Mike Petton dude. And even too, I think

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Speaker 1: he's um, he's a good player. It's just been durability.

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Speaker 1: I think you know when he's when he's not been available,

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Speaker 1: But um, he played well for the Niners when he

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Speaker 1: was on the Why do you disagree with sixty seven

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Speaker 1: because I know you do. No, Because I think, first

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Speaker 1: of all, and this is why I think that there's

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Speaker 1: a real skill to the way that Greg and West

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Speaker 1: did this list. Is that to me, when you get

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Speaker 1: past like sixty, I kind of just see them all

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Speaker 1: the same for the most part. It's like they're to

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Speaker 1: me like there's no difference between sixty seven and seventy seven,

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Speaker 1: So you're not you know, I can manufacture a hot take.

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Speaker 1: How about put him at sixty one on our list?

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Speaker 1: And I think we had him up at maybe sixty five,

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Speaker 1: which is you know, that shows that we think a

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Speaker 1: little bit more about him, but we're keeping our list

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Speaker 1: under wraps this time around. Um, you know, no reason

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Speaker 1: for for controversy. I think that's a smart thing right

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Speaker 1: now where we are as a podcast. But mark Um,

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Speaker 1: off the top of your head, where should Jamis Winston

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Speaker 1: be on the top one a one free agent list?

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Speaker 1: I put him at I put him on in the

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Speaker 1: low forties. I But here's the thing. I'm completely with

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Speaker 1: Greg that if you're going to sign up for a

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Speaker 1: quarterback that's in the start fourteen games andy and he's serviceable,

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Speaker 1: he's good. He's much more valuable than than almost anyone

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Speaker 1: else on this list. Maybe I'm the only one that

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Speaker 1: remembers the game in London that we attended. H Jameis

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Speaker 1: Winston only had seventeen turnovers. I think it's if you

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Speaker 1: put them with Sean Payton, I that's the thing. If

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Speaker 1: you put them, if you put him with you know,

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer, no, thank you. So it's like I to me,

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Speaker 1: it's about worry Lands. It's one of those things he

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Speaker 1: started out probably around forty and then it's like you

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Speaker 1: do it again. You move I like we need to

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Speaker 1: move them up a little bar. You move them up

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Speaker 1: a little bar. But now, if like the file was

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Speaker 1: due after this podcast, I would move them just back

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Speaker 1: to form, just from your just from your influence, Rickey.

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Speaker 1: We need like a bell now whenever Mark gets in

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Speaker 1: one of his Pat Shermer digs, we gotta have just

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Speaker 1: like a little bell that rings. It's like, does anyone

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Speaker 1: else not see a difference between Sean Payton and right,

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Speaker 1: I think that No, I think you nailed it. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying that you do find a way to bring

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Speaker 1: that man up in a negative context very often on

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Speaker 1: this program. That's all. Is he still the Broncos offensive coordinator?

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Speaker 1: By the way, I think he is? Right? They never

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Speaker 1: yes fire him because he ultimately listened. The thing about

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Speaker 1: him is like I get it, Mark, like he was

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Speaker 1: a bust in Cleveland. But you could have put you know,

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Speaker 1: a peak Lombardi in there at that time, and no

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Speaker 1: head coach is going to come out of that alive. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was more than um, there was. I believe it

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Speaker 1: was Mike Lombardi who wrote that he had was getting

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Speaker 1: phone calls sort of you know, unasked for from people

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Speaker 1: saying that whenever we watched patch s Turmer's offense, we

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Speaker 1: know what the play is before the snap. Didn't consider

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Speaker 1: the source there, but yeah, well I am, but I

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01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: just that stuck out to me. And then when I

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Speaker 1: watched them play, it was like they do seem kind

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Speaker 1: of milk toast and predictable, and I don't think that

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: he's disproven that with the Giants and the Broncos. One

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Speaker 1: of those guys though that when I saw in person,

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Speaker 1: I remember after the Vikings lost in the NFC Championship, UM,

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Speaker 1: more swollen than you would expect, like very good and

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Speaker 1: uh and a good looking guy in his forties, more

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Speaker 1: than I really would have thought. You know, it kind

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Speaker 1: of seemed like a forgettable guy, but he was like

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Speaker 1: he was. He was pretty jacked, and I conveniently forgot

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Speaker 1: the Vikings um part of his career, which was spectacular.

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Speaker 1: So consider the source on that front. It was like

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Speaker 1: case king and running around and like throwing like up

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Speaker 1: in the air, and it seemed a little wild. It

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Speaker 1: seemed a little wild. Yeah he got I mean what,

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Speaker 1: he got a lot. He got a head coaching job

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Speaker 1: out of it, so I don't feel too it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: He went to the Giants and he got old Man

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Speaker 1: Eli and the first year of Daniel Jones and the

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven and twelve Browns, Like, what's going

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Speaker 1: on there? I think that's Manzell and maybe Josh m

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Speaker 1: it was it was Cult McCoy and to Brandon Weed

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Speaker 1: and we're past cut to my text before the show,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, if we if we have a

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Speaker 1: forty minute show, there's no hard there's no crime in

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Speaker 1: that cut to you know, minute seventy two where we've

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01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: talked Pat Sherman for five stream. That's why it's gotten

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Speaker 1: to the point where I don't usually reply to to

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Speaker 1: those not out of it againy like animosity or anything.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, okay, it's if that ever happens, I

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01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: will be happily stunned. Hey, hit us up on Twitter

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01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: if you think the show is too long. We'll reconvene

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01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: and restrategize. Um, Greg, good work, buddy, that is at

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Speaker 1: all serious. It's not. That's a tough one. Um, as

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Speaker 1: we go through this, and you guys are so linked

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Speaker 1: on that top one oh one, so you did it

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Speaker 1: alone as you had to, and uh, it's good stuff.

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Speaker 1: So check it out NFL dot com slash top one

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Speaker 1: oh one. Um, next time you hear from us will

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Speaker 1: be Thursday, and we will have a special guest lined up. UM,

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Speaker 1: so make sure you a former general manager in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He actually is. He's been on our show one other time,

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Speaker 1: if you if people really wanted to try to show. Yeah,

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01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: he was actually on our show when they were like

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Speaker 1: redoing the podcast studio at our old office, which we

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Speaker 1: haven't seen in a year now. So this particular person,

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01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,839
Speaker 1: um was we were like almost in like a closet,

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Speaker 1: utility closet, and he couldn't have been more of a

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Speaker 1: professional at that time. And it was also it was

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Speaker 1: um it was a part of the studio, the television

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01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: studio where we were doing it, and I think it

1404
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: was about twenty five degrees and there were I remember

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01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: us complaining heavily because we're two or three shows in

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01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: that room that it was untenable to conditions. This is

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Speaker 1: why I really wonder, like, what, what what has happened

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Speaker 1: to me? Because I really don't remember this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I remember that studio set up, but I don't remember

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Speaker 1: this guest being us with us there. But I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: just trust you. I do. Yeah. I have some theories

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01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: why the short term memories not there, But then we'll

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll get to that in another show, all right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: so we'll be back thursday. Uh, this is Dan Hansons

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Speaker 1: signing off for the old Boss, the Quiet Storm, Ricky

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Speaker 1: Hollywood behind the virtual glass. Until then, he'd the call.

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Speaker 1: How about that