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Speaker 1: watching a lot of movies, so I guess that's not

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Speaker 1: too bad. Yeah, you were creating a paradox, and the

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Speaker 1: entertainment paradox exactly. Hi, I'm Hormma cartoonists and the creator

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Speaker 1: of PhD comments. Hi. I'm Daniel. I'm a particle physicist,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not the creator of any online comic website

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Speaker 1: yet yet. And welcome to our podcast Daniel and Jorge

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Speaker 1: Explain the Universe, a production of I Heart Radio in

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Speaker 1: which we try to take the universe apart, piece by

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Speaker 1: podcast Bad Science. Welcome Ethan, Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: promoting bad Science. That's what happens in your podcast? All

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Speaker 1: about Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah, pretty much, that's all that. We

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Speaker 1: black holes could be connected to white holes, and they

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Speaker 1: could be and these are really big black holes, so

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Speaker 1: you know it's honestly, it could be true, Like all

427
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Speaker 1: that crazy stuff you just said, honestly could be reality.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing I love about it, Like you did

429
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Speaker 1: you get credit for it though it turns out to

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Speaker 1: be true. Oh yeah, I'm not sure. He's the first

431
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Speaker 1: person to speak Maybe that's a unique set of science

432
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 1: words nobody's ever said before in that order. Hey, i'll

433
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: take it. I'll give it to you. Get an honorary

434
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 1: degree from Daniel and jrge My mom is gonna be

435
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: so proud. But I think also there's a larger context,

436
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: Like I think some people think, oh, we saw a

437
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 1: picture of a black hole, so now we know they're real.

438
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 1: We sort of already knew they were real. You could

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Speaker 1: tell the black holes were there indirectly from their gravity,

440
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: the way the stars move around them. Um, a lot

441
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Speaker 1: of black holes are not that hard to see, Like,

442
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Speaker 1: the gas around them is super bright. It's actually one

443
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Speaker 1: of the brightest things in the universe. We call them quaisars.

444
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Speaker 1: They admit a huge amount of radiation. These ones that

445
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Speaker 1: they took a picture of are the more common ones

446
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Speaker 1: that are not very bright, that are hard to see. You,

447
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Speaker 1: that's why it's so impressive. But wait, wait, wait, If

448
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: quasars are the brightest thing, it's easy to see and

449
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 1: it's around the black hole, why haven't we seen pictures

450
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Speaker 1: of that? We have, We've seen quasars are all over

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Speaker 1: the place. We've seen them as stars. Basically, we haven't

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Speaker 1: We've never had this kind of detailed picture of an

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Speaker 1: actual black circle. Right. This is the first time we

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Speaker 1: see like an actual black circle. Right. The cool thing

455
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Speaker 1: about this is it's the first time we've seen them

456
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Speaker 1: in this way. This directly and resolved the shape of

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Speaker 1: the event horizon. That's the thing we hadn't seen. It

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Speaker 1: was like, what does the event horizon look like? We

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Speaker 1: think it's a circle? What if it was something else?

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00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 1: When it was a hexagon or like a big middle finger, right,

461
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: like the big cube. Yeah, or the agents agents of

462
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Speaker 1: shield symbol or something. So that's what you're looking at

463
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: in the picture. Then, right, that's you're looking at the

464
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Speaker 1: glowy stuff. The doughnut is the gas around the black hole.

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Speaker 1: But then what you're seeing the black spot in the middle.

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Speaker 1: That is like the event horizon of a black hole.

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Speaker 1: That's like the spot where not even like can escape.

468
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Speaker 1: It's the first time that we can put it as

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Speaker 1: our wallpaper. Yeah first selfie, very cool. And wait, what

470
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: about white holes? Then that is also real? Have we

471
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Speaker 1: seen those? We have pictures? White hole could be real.

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Speaker 1: We don't know, theoretically possible, never been observed, but yeah,

473
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Speaker 1: it could be a thing in the universe for sure,

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Speaker 1: could be a thing. Okay, stay tuned, and remember black

475
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Speaker 1: holes used to be in the could be a thing

476
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Speaker 1: in the universe category, but nobody really believed it because

477
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Speaker 1: it sounds too crazy. Now actually a thing. We have

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Speaker 1: pictures of them. Yeah, so there's a good, long, rich

479
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Speaker 1: history of stuff going from crazy idea nobody really believes,

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Speaker 1: but we can't rule it out to Look, there's a

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Speaker 1: hundred of them over there. Yeah, so that's pretty awesome.

482
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: Wake up, you doubters. Yeah, the universe is filled with crazy, nasty,

483
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: hot stuff, weirder than we could ever imagine. So it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a great source of entertainment for me. Cool. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that's your first question, Ethan. We'll get to your

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Speaker 1: other questions, but first let's take a quick break. All right,

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Speaker 1: we have Ethan Edinburgh here from the podcast bat Science,

488
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Speaker 1: a podcast which deconstructs science fiction movies with real sciences

489
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: and comedians. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't even have to be

490
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: science fiction movies. Just anything that there's a science spin on.

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Speaker 1: Science will attack it science movies. You ever like take

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Speaker 1: a movie and you're like, actually, this is all good science,

493
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 1: so we should rename our podcast. You canceled this episodes

494
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Speaker 1: that never happened accurate science. Sometimes there are like Apollo

495
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: thirteen was one of them that science was all pretty

496
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Speaker 1: you know, accurate. You were watching documentary by accident and

497
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Speaker 1: be like, oh wait, we can't uh no, I mean

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Speaker 1: we have you ever dismantled documentary claimed man discovery was real?

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Speaker 1: That's normally what we do. No, we I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: we will just use it as like a launching pad

501
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: to talk about science. So I'm not in the field,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not trying to attack these movies or

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00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: say like, oh this is wrong and this isn't good,

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00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, I mean normally because I don't know anything,

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Speaker 1: but also just to uh, you know, say the movie

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Speaker 1: is great, here's what I love about it. Here's what

507
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: didn't really make sense to me. But let's dive into

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Speaker 1: how snakes reproduce because that's interesting, you know. Yeah, we

509
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Speaker 1: just did Anaconda, so it's on my mind. So they

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Speaker 1: just like butt off a little mini and a conda

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Speaker 1: off the back or how does that work? It's honestly,

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Speaker 1: and how snakes I had no idea. Well they so

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Speaker 1: first of all, the I'm not gonna get super indokes.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a ton of time, Like we can

515
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Speaker 1: look up your podcast. Yeah, yeah, it goes to the

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Speaker 1: Anaconda episode. I'll just tease you with the fact that males,

517
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Speaker 1: and this is across a lot of species apparently, you know,

518
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Speaker 1: multiple males will like smell the pheromones from a female

519
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Speaker 1: and all want to mate with the same female, and

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Speaker 1: they'll create this anaconda ball. So like there's like seven

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Speaker 1: snakes all wrapped in one and they'll just stay that

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Speaker 1: way for like weeks at a time, fighting and trying

523
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Speaker 1: to mate, and it's it's a disaster. You just give

524
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Speaker 1: all our listeners Nightmara. I know, I'm sorry. It's a

525
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: ball of snakes. Guys, this is real. It's out there.

526
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: It's probably not in your backyard. It's scarier than the

527
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: film Anaconda. So imagine that makes a podcast. Yeah, finally, Well,

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Speaker 1: today we're answering York science questions about physics and the universe,

529
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Speaker 1: and so your next question is about Jupiter. Right, So

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Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated with Jupiter because it's the largest

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Speaker 1: planet and it's like a gas giant, and that huge

532
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 1: red spot is super weird. And I remember learning as

533
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Speaker 1: a kid that we just don't know what's in the

534
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Speaker 1: middle because we just can't send anything out there, we

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Speaker 1: can't measure what's there. And so I want to know

536
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Speaker 1: if that's still true, and what what do you guys

537
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: think you know, theoretically is in the middle? You know?

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00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: And why can't we tell We can see a picture

539
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Speaker 1: of a fuzzy donut in the middle of the galaxy

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Speaker 1: and we don't know about Jupiter. Why is that? Daniel, Well,

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Speaker 1: we actually have learned the core of Jupiter is actually

542
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Speaker 1: a huge ball of snakes. They're all fighting. It's amazing. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's a fascinating question. And you know, it's really interesting,

544
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: like we see these things in the sky, can we

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Speaker 1: understand them? What's in there? Are they like our planet

546
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: or not? When I was a kid, I always wondered, like,

547
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: why can't you land on Jupiter and just like sink

548
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: forever through gas and pass through the other side or something.

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00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: But Jupiter is really interesting. It's got a lot of layers,

550
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Speaker 1: like an onion. You know, you cut through it and

551
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: you get two different stuff, um and um. We can

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00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: actually probe it a little bit two different ways. One is,

553
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: we can study the density of Jupiter because we fly

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Speaker 1: satellites around it, and those satellites can measure the gravity

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Speaker 1: of Jupiter, and the gravity of Jupiter depends on how

556
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: much stuff there is, right, more stuff, more gravity, So

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Speaker 1: we can measure sort of in the same way that

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Speaker 1: we can measure like what's inside the Earth. We can measure, um,

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Speaker 1: the density of different regions inside Jupiter just by measuring

560
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Speaker 1: how the gravity changes as you move around, which is

561
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Speaker 1: pretty cool. Okay, so this is sounding like we do

562
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Speaker 1: kind of know what's in there, because that gives us

563
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: a picture and then once we actually dropped something into

564
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Speaker 1: Jupiter and we're like, okay, let's see what's in there.

565
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Speaker 1: They built this thing, they try to make it really

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Speaker 1: really tough. I guess they you know, add a mandam

567
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: or vibranium or whatever. And it dropped it in there

568
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Speaker 1: and it lasted like, you know, tens of seconds before

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Speaker 1: it was just like crushed into a tiny pulp. So,

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00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: because Jupiter is really big and so it has a

571
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Speaker 1: lot of gravity, and so it's squeezing things really really hard,

572
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Speaker 1: and so it's really dense. And so mostly Jupiter is

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Speaker 1: a huge ball of hydrogen. But that ball hydrogen gets

574
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Speaker 1: compressed by all that gravity, and crazy stuff starts to happen. Well,

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Speaker 1: it changes mad state of matter, right, Like most most

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Speaker 1: of the ball that you see in Jupiter is like hydrogen, right,

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Speaker 1: but it's in different forms of hydrogen, right, So it's

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Speaker 1: hydrogen gets hotter or more compressed, it changes, right. Hygen

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Speaker 1: here on Earth is just a gas. We can breathe

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Speaker 1: it or you know, put it in a balloon or whatever,

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Speaker 1: or inside of individual and ill fated airshift for example,

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Speaker 1: you know, the humanity, the humanity um. But on Jupiter

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Speaker 1: gets compressed, and so the outer layer is gaseous hydrogen.

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Speaker 1: Then you sink down further and you get liquid hydrogen. Right,

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00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: So you can press a gas and it turns in

586
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: a liquid um, and then below that it turns into

587
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: this crazy stuff. It's helium rain, helium rain rain. It's

588
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: like drops of helium that are like going up and

589
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: down like clouds of helium then raining down and like

590
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: helium is crazy stuff, and like you've got to be

591
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: really really dense or really really cold to get it

592
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: liquid um. So it's it's under a lot of pressure.

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00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: So so it's raining inside these other layers of and

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Speaker 1: it's raining helium. You're telling me it's raining helium. And

595
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: this isn't a big practical joke that you're trying to

596
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to act deliver some real science exactly. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then it just gets crazier, Like as you go down,

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Speaker 1: you get crazier and crazier stuff. A huge blob of

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Speaker 1: is this thing we call metallic hydrogen. She's like hydrogen

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Speaker 1: that acts like a metal, like a conduct electricity that

601
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: likes heavy metal music. I think, so, yeah, exactly, And

602
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Speaker 1: it can conduct the electricity, it can be a solid

603
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: or it can be a liquid. Right, So if you

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Speaker 1: went down far enough, you would like pass through the

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Speaker 1: rain of helium. It's assuming you were in some incredibly

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Speaker 1: powerful ship that could withstand all this pressure, and then

607
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: you would either get to the surface of the you

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Speaker 1: get like an ocean of liquid metallic hydrogen, and then

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Speaker 1: you get to like a surface of like metallic hydrogen,

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Speaker 1: which I don't know what that would be like, we

611
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Speaker 1: don't have that here. We do not have that here

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00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: now exactly. Okay, Okay, so that's yes, that's it's metallic

613
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Speaker 1: possibly liquid. There's one more layer though, because Jupiter is

614
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: not just hydrogen is hygen plus is a bunch of

615
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: like rocks and other stuff in there, and that stuff

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Speaker 1: all sunk to the bottom. So the very very core

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Speaker 1: of Jupiter is actually basically a big rock, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's like a big rocky icy ball, you know, like

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Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that made the Earth. And so

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Speaker 1: when the Solar System formed, different planets got different amounts

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Speaker 1: of stuff. Jupiter got a huge serving of hydrogen and

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Speaker 1: a big blob of rock. Earth got mostly rock, right,

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Speaker 1: So you could sort of think of like Jupiter as

624
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: a much smaller planet with a really really really big

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Speaker 1: and really really dense atmosphere that's like liquid hydrogen. So

626
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy over there on Jupiter. And again, well,

627
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: it's not like we have a picture of this, or

628
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Speaker 1: we send the probe down, or we we've take an

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Speaker 1: X rays of Jupiter. It's it's more like we have

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Speaker 1: models of what's going on in there, and those match

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing from satellites that go around Jupiter. That's right,

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Speaker 1: And we can probe it gravitationally. You can also probe

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Speaker 1: it electromagnetically, like we can look at the magnetic field

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Speaker 1: of Jupiter, and in order to have a magnetic field,

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00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: you have to have certain stuff going on inside, and

636
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: so we can compare like is the magnetic field the

637
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: way you would expect if this model works. So it's indirect,

638
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: like you, we haven't sent probes deep into Jupiter that survived,

639
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: but we have a pretty good picture. But yeah, it's indirect. Okay.

640
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: I do think taking an X ray is a smart

641
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: idea that somebody should, right, yeah, get on it. Um Okay.

642
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: So I was also wondering about the Big Bang, uh,

643
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: and and if something happened before the Big Bang, Yeah,

644
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: that's wonderful. Question, Tell me, why do you want to know?

645
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Like if I told you the answer, If I knew

646
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: the answer and I told you, how would that change

647
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: your life? Um? It probably wouldn't, because even just the

648
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: Big Bang is a huge mystery to me. Uh and

649
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: the how the universe came to be and how it's

650
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: all evolving all the time, expanding all the time, that's

651
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: just mind numbing. But I just I'm very you know,

652
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: it's like that, uh, what comes after the end or

653
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: what comes before the beginning? You know? So I just

654
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: was curious if there's any because we can measure, which

655
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: I already find fascinating, that the Big Bang even happened,

656
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: what a thirteen point eight million years ago or something

657
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: like that. Uh So, just that is crazy to me

658
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: that we even know that that happened. But yeah, I

659
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean why, if there's any information at

660
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: all out there, how could that a have happened? And

661
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: what could have possibly been before that? It's a great question.

662
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: I think it's a really deep question. I think we

663
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: knew the answer, he would change that way we felt

664
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: about like our whole existence, you know, like if you

665
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: knew like how the universe came to be, and what

666
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: happened beforehand that made it happen. That's a pretty deep question.

667
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I think it would change

668
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: human the human condition that much like you know, people

669
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: suddenly abandoned Instagram and devote themselves knowing more about you

670
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, do you think really think

671
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: people would uh change their every day life? I think so.

672
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: I think it's a delicate territory. But I think a

673
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: lot of people believe in a creator and also accept

674
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: the you know, old universe hypothesis. The universe is fourteen

675
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: billion years old almost, and they imagine the universe had

676
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: a creator because there was this moment when it started.

677
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: But what if there wasn't. What if that we knew

678
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: that that moment was instead the end of the previous universe,

679
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: just part of some infinite cycle, and there was no

680
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: moment of creation. I think that argument plays a big

681
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: role in a lot of people's context for the universe,

682
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: and they're they're belief in God, So I think it

683
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: would inform people's decisions. Just as the more we learned

684
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: about our origin and where we are in the universe

685
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: and how big and old it is, we learned about

686
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: our context and it changes people's views about how important

687
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: we are or aren't. So yeah, great answer, Um, so

688
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: what is the answer the question? Though? The answer is

689
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: we have no idea what came before the Big Bang,

690
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: and also we might never like it might be impossible

691
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: to learn. You know, it might be that you're still

692
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 1: in the Big Bang, right, Daniel, Yeah, there's that also,

693
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: like what does the Big Bang even mean? Right? Some

694
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: people think of the Big Bang is this moment very

695
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: very early on in the universe when the universe expanded

696
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: really really fast. And the numbers I'm about tell you

697
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: are crazy that it's really hard to imagine. But like

698
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: the universe expanded by a factor of ten to the

699
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: twenty five. That's like ten with zeros in ten to

700
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: the minus thirty seconds. So yeah, they went from really

701
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: really small to enormously massive, really really quickly. And it's

702
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: not moving at that rate anymore. It's like slowed down. Yeah,

703
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: it did that really really briefly, and then it then

704
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: it's just sort of puttered along for about ten billion years,

705
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: and then five billion years ago it started expanding again

706
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: and we don't know why, but we call that dark energy.

707
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: So you know, looke back to the podcast. We talked

708
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: to you about. That's the tests a rapt man. You know,

709
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: the infinity stones were created in the moment of creation

710
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: and responsible. Um. I mean, I just feel like I'm

711
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: equally insignificant no matter how the Big Bang happened or

712
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: what happened before your musical man, So you're definitely significant.

713
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: Are gonna be kind of those records? Yeah, for billions

714
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: of years. But I think the point is that, you know,

715
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: fourteen billion years ago sounds like a long time, but

716
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: if you imagine maybe the universe is trillions of years,

717
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: it's going to be around for trillions of years. And

718
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, technically we're still of like at the beginning

719
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: of the universe, right, we could be still in the

720
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: kind of like the echoes of the Big Bank. I mean,

721
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: it makes still makes me feel like I'm totally meaningless.

722
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: But I hear you, and that's nice special extra special names.

723
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I know it's both. That's true. That's true.

724
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: It is both. And so we look backwards, we try

725
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: to understand, like what happened in those first few moments.

726
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: We have some ideas for like how do you get

727
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: this crazy expansion and what would you need to make

728
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: that happen, and we have like a few sort of

729
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 1: ideas for how to put that together that are really

730
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: pretty fuzzy. But we don't know is how do you

731
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: create those conditions? Like, in order to make the universe

732
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: explode in the first few moments, you need this stuff

733
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: called inflationary matter. All right, how do you make inflationary matter?

734
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: We literally have zero ideas. Okay, but you know that's

735
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: how science works. We're like, okay, explain this. We need

736
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: you know something before it. How do we explain that? Okay, now,

737
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: how do we explain that? It's an iterative process? But

738
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: if the universe started from this like really really dense state,

739
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: it might be that all information from what happened before

740
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: it is destroyed, right, that it's just gone. The records

741
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: were sway, yes, and then you can never know even

742
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: like humans in billions of years. Yeah, it's possible. Or

743
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: it could be that there's like dregs of information and

744
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: super duper smart scientists will be able to figure it out. Yeah,

745
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: that could be Also, we don't know, But it could

746
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: be that the universe is in a cycle, you know,

747
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: it expands and then we don't know what dark energy

748
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: is doing, or if it could turn around and make

749
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: a crunch. So it could be that our universe started

750
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: at the end of the last universe when there was

751
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: a crunch um. There's also a lot of really crazy

752
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: philosophical questions, like was there time before the Big Bang?

753
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: Like what is the word before the big bang? Even

754
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: means right, And you might think, but maybe there's no

755
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: before the big bang? Yeah, like big bang? Is it?

756
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: That's when time started? Right? And you might think, well,

757
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: that's crazy. That's just like a bunch of words. I

758
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: don't mean anything, but I mean something to me. But

759
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: like imagine, for example, I think this is Stephen Hawkins analogy.

760
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: Imagine you're at the North pole, right, which direction is north?

761
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: From the north pole? There's no more north. Yeah, that's

762
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: the north northeast exactly, And so it might be the

763
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: time is like that, it sort of started there, and

764
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: you can't if you go back to zero, you can't

765
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: really ask what's before because there's no more before us. Yeah,

766
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: we don't know. I would like that. Actually, that seems

767
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: like a nice organized you know, like this is when

768
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: it started. That's it's well with you. Yeah, that's nice.

769
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: That's pretty that's that definitive. Yes, I appreciate that. Cool.

770
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: All right, Um, so you have one last question for us,

771
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: even yes, it is a big one because I worry

772
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: about this all the time and I'm talking to you know,

773
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: marine biologists and environmentalists of different uh expertises, and sometimes

774
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: we get into this place of sheer frustration because of

775
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: what's happening with the climate, and to me, it's hard

776
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: to be optimistic about it. And it seems like we

777
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: are messing up huge and have been for a while.

778
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: And you know, you can look up these like little

779
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: documentaries even from the sixties and like they knew that

780
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: what we're doing is bad and we need to stop,

781
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: and like we just keep on keep on truck and

782
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, my question is how do you guys

783
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: view that? How do you deal with it? How do

784
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: you you know, do you think that we're headed in

785
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: a good direction or a bad direction or both? Are

786
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: there things to be optimistic about? And please tell me

787
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: about them? No, all right, I'll see you next time, guys.

788
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: Uplifting Podcast. Um, what do you mean that when you

789
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: when you ask a questions are we going to save

790
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: the or or destroyed? You're you're talking about the climate

791
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: and the our ability to live on the planet, not

792
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: like if it we're accidentally going to open a wormhole

793
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: or no. I mean I think that possibility. When you

794
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: say that, I'm not open any more. But I didn't.

795
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't look at the scientists working to

796
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: create that hole. Yeah, ploding weirdly, tapping his fingers. I mean,

797
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: I think that the whole thing is possible nuclear bombs, Like, Okay,

798
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: that's a threat that you know, at any moment we

799
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: could all just end. Sure, but it seems like we're

800
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: in this slow decline that we know about with the climate,

801
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: man made climate change, global warming, all this, you know,

802
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: melting ice caps and so yeah, that that's really what

803
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm referring to is like, can we reverse this process?

804
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: Can we save the Earth? How would we do it?

805
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Or in your guys opinion, are we screwed? You know,

806
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: I think we're screwed, um, But I think the answer

807
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: is different from what you might expect, because I think

808
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: I worry most about is actually the nuclear bombs. Because

809
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: I grew up in Los Alumus, I know a lot

810
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: about like the nuclear infrastructure and all this kind of stuff,

811
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: and you know, we have a lot of nuclear weapons

812
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: and they have a lot of nuclear weapons and they're

813
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: all pointed at us and where ours appointed at them,

814
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: and they're on a hair trigger like that, you have

815
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: to be able to launch nuclear weapons within like a

816
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: minute of hearing that somebody else has attacked you are destroyed,

817
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: so dumb, So you need like to be able to

818
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 1: launch nukes within a minute. No congressional approval, nothing else.

819
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: Just whoever is the presidents like shocking that it hasn't happened? Yes, exactly.

820
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: So now ask yourself this question, how long can we

821
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: go on for with people having this their finger on

822
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: this button and never press it? Never ever, ever, ever ever.

823
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think billion years. I don't

824
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: think so. I think I think it's inevitable as long

825
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: as we have they're going to present at some point. No,

826
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a miscommunication or a mistake

827
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: or a technical glitch. And you know, we've been close

828
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: to that several times. It's really terrif find if you

829
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: look up the history of that, there's been times when

830
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: like one guy has just said that no, we're not

831
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: launching and has like literally saved humanity. Um, so it's

832
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: pretty dangerous. We're living with huge guns pointed at our

833
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: heads at a hair trigger all the time, and that

834
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: will eventually go off unless, oh, climate change destroys human

835
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: civilization and then we lose we lose the capability to

836
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: maintain it by a nuclear weapons, So hopefully we ruin

837
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: the planet and you know, then the few survivors you

838
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: know living in the swamp will not die of radiation poisoning. Sweet, Okay,

839
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: they've had me, guys a right, let's uh. But you know,

840
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: I think I have a more positive view, which is

841
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: I feel like, um, I think I think things are

842
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: not going to get better anytime soon, right, And I

843
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: think part of the problem is just that a lot

844
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: of it is just kind of a communication problem, you know, like, um,

845
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: our forecast for the future is based on models and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, our current understanding of things, and they're projecting

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Speaker 1: far into the future, and so right now, I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's harder for scientists to communicate and for people

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Speaker 1: to really absorb the idea that we're heading in a

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Speaker 1: bad direction. Um. But you know, I think eventually things

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Speaker 1: will become more obvious and people population, hopefully through podcasts

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Speaker 1: like Yours and Hours. She's kind of become more familiar

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Speaker 1: with science and are able to absorb the message and

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Speaker 1: hopefully it won't be too late. Yeah, that would be nice.

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Speaker 1: And maybe in the process we could also make some

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Speaker 1: sort of nuclear arms treaty where we just all agree

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Speaker 1: to blast them all into the black hole, or at

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Speaker 1: least make it like a two stap button, you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like that that would help a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a clever proposal from an ex defense um um

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Speaker 1: secretary Defense to get rid of all of our stationary

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons, the ones that are like voluntary, Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: ones like in underground silos, those are the ones that

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Speaker 1: can be destroyed by baron nukes. Right, So if your

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Speaker 1: nukes are on submarines, you know, or in the air instead,

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Speaker 1: that you don't have to launch within a minute. You

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Speaker 1: can wait and really make sure it's happening, and you

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Speaker 1: have thirty minutes or so, because your nukes are not

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Speaker 1: necessarily going to be destroyed by their nukes, so you

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Speaker 1: don't have to be on a hair trigger. Shouldn't we

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Speaker 1: just not allowed nukes? I mean, is that a crazy thought?

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Speaker 1: Why do we need huge bombs? Right? Yeah? Why don't

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Speaker 1: we all just get along? I mean, yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: guns are even unnecessary. Can't we just use like paintball?

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Speaker 1: Why a nuke replaced nukes with paintballs? That's what is

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Speaker 1: their war in humanstory? But yeah, I think we can

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Speaker 1: answer that today. Okay, great, Well, I feel ethan. I

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Speaker 1: feel like maybe the answer to all of your questions

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Speaker 1: today has been we have no idea. No. I. By

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Speaker 1: the way, it's the title of our book, Daniel book Plug.

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Speaker 1: There is yeah, true, but but yeah, do you feel

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Speaker 1: like we very informed? I think there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of answers today. I I mean the Core of Jupiter

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Speaker 1: was a big one for me. I mean Helium Rain

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Speaker 1: was shocking your next album. I mean that does sound

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Speaker 1: I'm sure people would be like a little bit for us.

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Speaker 1: Come on, what does Helium Rain sound like? Helium Rain?

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Speaker 1: It sounds like almost like a love song exactly cover.

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Speaker 1: It's a weird al parody. Actually, uh no, I I think, well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, that's a really intriguing title. I think

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Speaker 1: anything Helium Rain I'm gonna check out just based on

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Speaker 1: the title is like, what the hell is that? But no,

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Speaker 1: I think the whole like the black whole stuff, and

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Speaker 1: if there was a lot there, Yeah, I feel I

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Speaker 1: feel what's the word looking for educated? I got I

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Speaker 1: got schooled today. Here's your Oh thank you, Yes, it's

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Speaker 1: so gorgeous. Put up on you wall show it's all

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Speaker 1: your friends. I will, I will. But I think that's

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Speaker 1: a big part of what we like to talk about

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Speaker 1: is that there's still big mysteries out there, and even

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00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: the scientists and the experts are still asking questions, and

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Speaker 1: everyone out there people listening. People, uh, it's studying this,

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Speaker 1: and kids in the future can all participate in answering

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Speaker 1: these questions. And some of these questions that we're asking,

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Speaker 1: people will know the answer to them in fifty years, right,

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Speaker 1: and they'll look back and be like, ha ha, those

907
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: guys didn't know anything, you know, how silly were they? Hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: if people are listening to this in fifty years, we

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Speaker 1: did something, right, boys, dig this out of the rubble

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Speaker 1: of human civilization of our climate. But I mean, imagine

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Speaker 1: like what people used to think about a hundred years ago,

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Speaker 1: the questions they had two hundred years ago. Right Now

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Speaker 1: children know the answers to those questions. So in yeah,

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Speaker 1: six year old will like casually know the answer to

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Speaker 1: questions we are struggling with today, and I love that

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Speaker 1: progression of human knowledge. It's just wonderful to think about. Yeah. Cool, Well,

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Speaker 1: I hope people enjoy that, And thank you Ethan for

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Speaker 1: being on the show to thing having us in your

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Speaker 1: show Science anytime, anytime on Absolute Delight. Let's ry had

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Speaker 1: bad science and good answers. Yeah, and you can find

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Speaker 1: bad science at anywhere anywhere listen to the podcast. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also, if you're curious, have a very stupid fake

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Speaker 1: financial podcast called success Express. Uh. They're like fifteen minute

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Speaker 1: episodes and they're just basically a bunch of fake advertisements.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to laugh and not think about anything,

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Speaker 1: that's probably the way to go. Foundable. Thanks for being

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Speaker 1: on and thanks to all of you guys for listening

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Speaker 1: to this discussion. See you next time. Before you still

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Speaker 1: have a question after listening to all these explanations, please

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Speaker 1: drop us a line. We'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: Daniel and Jorge That's one word, or email us at

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Speaker 1: Feedback at Daniel and Jorge dot com. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 1: and remember that Daniel and Jorge Explain the Universe is

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