Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys app now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. And it's eleven thirty on a Tuesday morning,
Speaker 1: and that can mean only one thing. It is time
Speaker 1: for Mick Shots on a rainy Tuesday morning here at
Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco, inside the s to BBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: Studios inside Ford Center at the Star in Frisco, Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Everson Walls, and the star of the show, Mickey Spa
Speaker 1: of course, who just a moment ago informed does he
Speaker 1: won't be here next Thursday. Nicky the show on Tuesday
Speaker 1: tell us that I don't know why it is a
Speaker 1: rainy day here, and so it's a disappointing day in
Speaker 1: that I came down the stairway here in the atrium
Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco, looked out across the playing
Speaker 1: field and did not see any football players out there.
Speaker 1: Now we're inside, I guess strength and strength and conditioning
Speaker 1: moved inside. That's what they're still doing. And then the
Speaker 1: coaches now can actually be on the field and do
Speaker 1: some position drills with the guys this week before they
Speaker 1: start OTAs next week. So hopefully the rain goes away
Speaker 1: and we'll get to watch uh some OTA practices that
Speaker 1: will be good, and they're only going to have six
Speaker 1: of them, by the way, they're allowed nine or ten.
Speaker 1: In the past, it's been ten OTAs and the way
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett would do it, and of course we didn't
Speaker 1: have OTA's last year with Mike McCarthy as the head coach,
Speaker 1: but the way Jason Garrett would do it, there would
Speaker 1: be nine OTA practices and then the tenth OTA quote
Speaker 1: unquote practice was when they had the high school kids
Speaker 1: come out here and they and the players would coach
Speaker 1: the kids. It was a great day, but organized team
Speaker 1: activities for those of you who don't recall what OTA
Speaker 1: stands for, So that was that was the final organized
Speaker 1: team activity. But they cut down on him this year,
Speaker 1: only six. And somebody asked Mike during the press conference
Speaker 1: on Saturday, why only six, and he goes, no, I've
Speaker 1: got nine days. Well he was counting the three mini camps.
Speaker 1: So after the OTAs, they're going to have mini camps
Speaker 1: and I think what he was thinking was, because they're
Speaker 1: going to have to start training camp a week early
Speaker 1: because of the Hall of Fame game, that he wanted
Speaker 1: to give the guys that much of a break, So
Speaker 1: give them almost a month off before they I think
Speaker 1: there was another factor in there too, and that has
Speaker 1: to do with the players Union and how much voluntary
Speaker 1: or obviously it's the mandatory three day minicamp, but how
Speaker 1: much of the voluntary offseason program that they are going
Speaker 1: to participate in. I think it was sort of a
Speaker 1: compromise for because there are a lot of there are
Speaker 1: some teams in the league where players are not reported
Speaker 1: back in mass like they have here. H and almost
Speaker 1: in en mass Yeah, and right, and so the Frenchman,
Speaker 1: the Frenchman, that's the only six years of French That's
Speaker 1: the only thing I think I remember. Dmos had something
Speaker 1: to say about that. There you go, that's exactly right,
Speaker 1: and I'll see if I can find it here. But
Speaker 1: there was a letter that I was reading just a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago that was tweeted out from the
Speaker 1: players Union, one of the players reps Um explaining why, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the player's position on it, and part of
Speaker 1: it was they felt like last year without a that's
Speaker 1: a bunch of bos you don't have at no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: well we we now they're going at it now that
Speaker 1: I got a play that the play was better last year?
Speaker 1: Did he watch the Cowboys defense here? It was a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. We talked about that, We talked
Speaker 1: it out. There was a new one that came out
Speaker 1: this week that an explanation I gotta find it talking
Speaker 1: about one came out talking about yeah, ever since and
Speaker 1: I talked about it about injuries had been reduced, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, they sure didn't count the Cowboys injuries,
Speaker 1: nor did it stop any in infections from Corona either.
Speaker 1: Maybe seems like, yeah, the guy still got it regardless.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Did the letter point out that
Speaker 1: they were going to take care of the poor guy
Speaker 1: from Denver that was working on his own and tours
Speaker 1: Achilles and then now they're now they're offended that Broncos
Speaker 1: would have the nerve to say, well, we're not covering
Speaker 1: this contract. And then they released the guy, They released
Speaker 1: John James, and then not only that, and then they
Speaker 1: had another guy get hurt. Well about the week they
Speaker 1: had no quarterback playing at all right during the season.
Speaker 1: During the season. I mean, so when you're talking about
Speaker 1: it didn't affect the teams at all. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know about OTAs and doing the regular season, but
Speaker 1: I'd say everything was affected last season. You can't say
Speaker 1: that anything really whooked to our satisfaction. Injuries and infections.
Speaker 1: This was JC Trenor yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got a job and did you but this he wrote this,
Speaker 1: It was published yesterday day. It's a new one, May seventeenth, okay,
Speaker 1: as we begin phase two of the off season today, okay,
Speaker 1: And this, of course is phase two Mickey alluded to
Speaker 1: off the top, where the coaches can actually work with
Speaker 1: the players and so forth. It's important to view the
Speaker 1: program from the player's perspective. The end of the regular
Speaker 1: season to the beginning of training camp spans twenty nine weeks.
Speaker 1: Many people suggest that players should participate in their team's
Speaker 1: off season program to avoid any risk of non football injury.
Speaker 1: But if players were truly to eliminate all risks NFI
Speaker 1: during the off season, it would mean only training for
Speaker 1: those nine weeks when we have protection at the facility.
Speaker 1: I'm going to move on down here as it relates
Speaker 1: to what you were just talking. Last year was the
Speaker 1: first time most players got to experience not attending in
Speaker 1: person off season programming. For many, it was eye opening.
Speaker 1: This is gonna get this is gonna get this is
Speaker 1: gonna get going here players felt better physically and mentally
Speaker 1: in the injury data supports those anecdotes. Now, as we
Speaker 1: stare down the start of the twenty twenty one season,
Speaker 1: players are realizing they do actually have a choice in
Speaker 1: how they prepare for the season, and that the voluntary
Speaker 1: offseason program truly is voluntary. One might say more players
Speaker 1: than ever are making business decisions about this nine week
Speaker 1: period in a way that they never have before. Less
Speaker 1: than half of all NFL players showed up for Phase one,
Speaker 1: and players and players on more than half the teams
Speaker 1: in the league of negotiated new rules for the remaining
Speaker 1: voluntary workout periods. When the public starts taking attendance today
Speaker 1: meaning yesterday, I hope it's noted that players who are
Speaker 1: attending will be doing it on their terms. Our player
Speaker 1: leaders proposed changes to their team's programs, such as shortening
Speaker 1: the number of weeks of the offseason program and decreasing
Speaker 1: the number of practices, as well as decreasing intensity by
Speaker 1: converting practice to walk throughs and removing eleven on eleven periods.
Speaker 1: These are significant improvements for our membership. Players are now
Speaker 1: viewing the offseason the way our union intended. Each individual
Speaker 1: player has the right to decide, is my team's program
Speaker 1: a valuable enough experience to me that it's worth volunteering
Speaker 1: my off time to participate, considering the CBA to find
Speaker 1: offseason The majority of players answer that question with a
Speaker 1: resounding no. The onus then shifts to each individual team
Speaker 1: to create a new offseason program that will cause a
Speaker 1: player to answer that question with a yes. The league
Speaker 1: office has shown zero leadership on the subject, so there
Speaker 1: is no uniformity across the NFL, putting gms and coaches
Speaker 1: in a tough spot. There's one more paragraph here. The
Speaker 1: NFLPA will continue to support our players and exercising the
Speaker 1: rights our union has earned for them, even when it's
Speaker 1: not popular among the public. It is a win in
Speaker 1: itself that for the first time in a long time,
Speaker 1: players truly like they have a choice as to whether
Speaker 1: they attend voluntary offseason practices. Um I do recall us
Speaker 1: making many jokes back in the day about OTAs or
Speaker 1: we call them just many camps back in the day,
Speaker 1: mandatory or not right, And Tom would always say, well,
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, voluntary, but you should show up,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna show up. So if this regard, I
Speaker 1: can see how the Player Association is saying, Okay, we
Speaker 1: finally have a chance to flex our muscle and have
Speaker 1: some decisions. As far as some decision making power in
Speaker 1: this situation, I can see them using this as an
Speaker 1: opportunity for that. However, would I beg to differ. Injuries
Speaker 1: and infections still ran rampant last year, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if the OTAs had jack to do with that.
Speaker 1: I really have to say that, you gotta I think
Speaker 1: that OTAs and injuries, I don't think it had anything
Speaker 1: to do with how it ran out during the season.
Speaker 1: It was just a kookie year, and this is the
Speaker 1: Players Association's opportunity to flex their muscles and get get
Speaker 1: a foot in there as far as decision making this concerns.
Speaker 1: As far as having the six OTAs rather than the ten,
Speaker 1: I think that was a part of the compromise that
Speaker 1: he talked about. Yeah, and we'll see then how many
Speaker 1: guys show up? What do voluntary mean? Darren Hamburg. So
Speaker 1: that's an opportunity for the players Association to flex their muscles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're trying, they're trying to curry and they're trying
Speaker 1: to curry favor with the players of course for having
Speaker 1: a seventeenth game. And it's like, you know, well we
Speaker 1: got stuff, you know, we got more financial uh considerations
Speaker 1: for giving them the seventeenth game. And now everybody's seeing
Speaker 1: the seventeenth game and it's like, oh what what what
Speaker 1: do we get? You know, and it's a big pool
Speaker 1: of money, but it doesn't show up probably in your paycheck,
Speaker 1: so to me. So where do they think these guys
Speaker 1: should do their strength and conditioning? They just don't need it.
Speaker 1: You know, we're going to go back to the seventies
Speaker 1: when guys did nothing in the odd season, did it
Speaker 1: on their own, Yeah, came in on their own. So
Speaker 1: now doing it on your own is better than doing
Speaker 1: it here with under under jurisdiction of the trainers and
Speaker 1: here as you know, Everson uh and you know, Mickey,
Speaker 1: it's a whole different deal than a lot of other
Speaker 1: places around the league because it's a great place to live,
Speaker 1: and you know, and and players will come here and
Speaker 1: stay in the off season here, and so it's really
Speaker 1: convenient for the Cowboys and the facility with the facility
Speaker 1: here too. But if you're someplace else, you know, other
Speaker 1: cities in the league, so you don't have to fly in.
Speaker 1: I get I get that in I get that part.
Speaker 1: But again, you're telling the whole league to do this.
Speaker 1: You know now now they want to they want to
Speaker 1: file a grievance for Juwan James after he tore as
Speaker 1: Achilles because basically they released them and said, you're on
Speaker 1: NFI and we're not responsible for you. You could have
Speaker 1: been here working out like you were until this stuff
Speaker 1: came out and the guys decided to stay home and
Speaker 1: work out on their own. I just think you don't
Speaker 1: the days of showing up for training camp and getting
Speaker 1: ready for the season are over right it that's your job.
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's voluntary or not. For your
Speaker 1: own good. You need to be in tip top shape
Speaker 1: when you report the training camp, not go to training
Speaker 1: camp like the old days and all of a sudden start.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be like that. In regards
Speaker 1: to that the onness is on the players. If you're
Speaker 1: going to use this letter as ammunition for whatever your
Speaker 1: offseason schedule is going to be, then you really have
Speaker 1: to You have to get your workouts in and it's
Speaker 1: up to you. I think I could do it if
Speaker 1: I played. You know, I would love to come and
Speaker 1: work out with my guys, but if I would be
Speaker 1: serious about my workout and I'm gonna be in shape
Speaker 1: when I get to train the camp, I always was.
Speaker 1: But I'm a defensive back. You know, wide receivers. We're
Speaker 1: all about the same running backs. But when you start
Speaker 1: talking about big guys, start talking about linebackers in linemen,
Speaker 1: that's a whole other story. I don't know what it's
Speaker 1: like to go through an off season without being supervised
Speaker 1: on your workouts and you're like two hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: pounds at six feet four inches. To me, that's a
Speaker 1: different ball game. For small guys like us, we can
Speaker 1: come in and shape all the time. And I always
Speaker 1: did see. And my point is the strength and conditioning.
Speaker 1: I get backing off on the intensity of the OTAs
Speaker 1: because I always thought, you know, you put your helmet on,
Speaker 1: you got a jersey, shorts, you got your cleats on,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go out there and you're gonna end
Speaker 1: up competing, right, and boys will be boys. Right. If
Speaker 1: I'm out there competing, I'm gonna dive for a pass, right, Well,
Speaker 1: I ain't got a shoulder pad on, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hurt my shoulder. Or if I'm a dB and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to go up and knock a ball down
Speaker 1: and I fall, I ain't got a shoulder pad on.
Speaker 1: I get backing off on that. There's ways to do
Speaker 1: those OTAs, and I think Jason Garrett did that last year.
Speaker 1: They the competition part of it, the physical part of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two years ago. Sorry, they backed off and again you
Speaker 1: know you're okay, you're supposed to come off the ball,
Speaker 1: touch and then stop. Well, okay, I'm this undrafted free agent.
Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna probably give it a little bit more
Speaker 1: because I got to impress somebody. Right, I get that part.
Speaker 1: But you can do the OTAs as almost a walkthrough
Speaker 1: or a little bit better than a walkthrough without getting physical.
Speaker 1: But the strength and conditioning thing, I don't stamp because
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to the health club. Now. Is that safer?
Speaker 1: Especially if you haven't been vaccinated, Is it safer? Probably not,
Speaker 1: because you're coming here and they're still kind of testing guys, right,
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, Well we'll see how this whole thing out.
Speaker 1: I would call before the pandemic, you had quarterbacks and
Speaker 1: other leaders of teams. They would fly in groups of
Speaker 1: guys and they would all work out together, sometimes on
Speaker 1: different teams. Well, we'll all work out there, like if
Speaker 1: they went to the same school with the same college,
Speaker 1: like UT guys get their workouts, you know, cal Berkeley guys,
Speaker 1: they will all get together in Oakland get their workouts
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. Which that's very, very beneficial
Speaker 1: for specialist guys. Once again, we're talking wide receivers, running backs, quarterbacks, dbs.
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about the center, when you're talking
Speaker 1: about a middle linebacker, when you're talking about the defensive end,
Speaker 1: I don't know where they're going to get that kind
Speaker 1: of work. And if Back has done that, you know
Speaker 1: in that month long period between the end of the
Speaker 1: mini camp and the start of training camp, Attack has
Speaker 1: gotten his receivers together last back last year, right last year,
Speaker 1: but he's done it even in previous to last year
Speaker 1: and that month before just to because I mean, you
Speaker 1: got a month off in between. I've never really totally
Speaker 1: understood why. You know, you've got training camp starting on
Speaker 1: July twentieth, Why are you shutting it down on June
Speaker 1: twentieth and giving him a month off to get out
Speaker 1: of shape period? Until it should be the other way around,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I understand, given some time, but
Speaker 1: give him a couple of weeks. You know, the thing
Speaker 1: always took a couple of weeks before training camp has
Speaker 1: always taking least a week or a couple of weeks before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I could see the whole offseason program getting pushed
Speaker 1: back to the point where you're leading up more to
Speaker 1: the season. You know, maybe that would eliminate and then
Speaker 1: that would eliminate the slower start to training camp because
Speaker 1: you remember last year or the year before, you had
Speaker 1: to have those three or four kind of acclamation days
Speaker 1: before you actually practice football. Have you ever heard of
Speaker 1: a big, a group of big defensive linemen and linebackers
Speaker 1: getting together having them Yeah? Who leaving no backyard work?
Speaker 1: Who's leaving that sack Martin's place? Come on, guys, I
Speaker 1: got a football field back I got in ten yards.
Speaker 1: That's all we need. We can just dig up a
Speaker 1: bunch of dirt and have something. But I think we
Speaker 1: saw an example of it last year on this team,
Speaker 1: the lack of the offseason program with a bigger guy
Speaker 1: like Don Terry po I think Don Terry Poe would
Speaker 1: have been in much better shape to start the season
Speaker 1: if there was an offseason program. Now he was. He
Speaker 1: was terrible the year before. Don't bring that, it's just
Speaker 1: to kick somebody else, pick somebody. I agree, though, you
Speaker 1: you have to um, you have to know that the
Speaker 1: different positions, they have to be treated in a in
Speaker 1: a certain manner. And like I said, the big guys,
Speaker 1: they're the ones that are gonna suffer. The are the
Speaker 1: ones that suffered here. I don't know about the round
Speaker 1: the league, but we know that we had major problems
Speaker 1: with our big guys, especially offensive lineman. You know, we're
Speaker 1: still worried about our offensive tackle. Hopefully they look good,
Speaker 1: you know, they look coming up, they look real good.
Speaker 1: They look good. They look good now. And because now
Speaker 1: they're together, you know, I don't know what it would
Speaker 1: have been like last year at this time, you know,
Speaker 1: considering that they couldn't get together that much. So this
Speaker 1: year is going to be different. Uh, you know, protocol
Speaker 1: is being laxed a little bit more now. And I'm
Speaker 1: very surprised that this letter came out and that it is.
Speaker 1: It helds so many restrictions for the teams. It changed.
Speaker 1: It changed the tune because previously it was worried about COVID.
Speaker 1: He didn't mention any Now you noticed that that was
Speaker 1: very carefully worried letter. Yeah, it was now about you
Speaker 1: can see this is their opportunity to flex the muscle.
Speaker 1: They're just using this right now as just a starting
Speaker 1: point to where, hey, we got your players backs. You know,
Speaker 1: this is why you pay your your dude union stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: and it's also trying to uh provide some points that
Speaker 1: see the owners didn't win on this, right, right, we
Speaker 1: had our way. What's important? Ever, have you ever been
Speaker 1: in a I know you have. Have you ever been
Speaker 1: in a union? So summers when I was in college,
Speaker 1: I worked at a factory and we had to join
Speaker 1: the union every summer because it didn't carry over to
Speaker 1: the next summer, right, And the union was pretty strong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was like a steel door factory. We made
Speaker 1: steel doors, and I saw guys just jacking around, right. Well,
Speaker 1: the union would support them. They couldn't, you know, they
Speaker 1: couldn't suspend them, couldn't fire them. And it's like, how
Speaker 1: come this guy's not working? And then something had happened.
Speaker 1: They go run to the union, right, right, So my
Speaker 1: last year before my senior year in college, they go
Speaker 1: on strike, and I'm going, I need to make money.
Speaker 1: I don't need to strike because when you return and
Speaker 1: get better pay in September, I'm not here, right, And
Speaker 1: so we had to to earn strike pay, and I
Speaker 1: think we got like one hundred and thirty dollars a week.
Speaker 1: We had to go out on the picket line, right
Speaker 1: and sit out there for however many hours, and people
Speaker 1: are driving by. Yeah, you lazy bums go to work
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there going like I want to work.
Speaker 1: They won't let me, you know. And when they went
Speaker 1: on strike, when they went on strike, and it was
Speaker 1: like a midnight thing, it was it was like a party.
Speaker 1: They were celebrating and everybody who's drinking beer sitting on
Speaker 1: didn't have a barbecuegree all out there. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like an episode of the King of Queens,
Speaker 1: just like but even when we did it, Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a difference between I've been through two strikes, right, and
Speaker 1: so in eighty two, yeah, I'm still twenty two years old.
Speaker 1: You know, I was still on my little free agent contracts,
Speaker 1: still living the home of my mom, the home of
Speaker 1: my mom in Hempton Park, and so you know that's strike.
Speaker 1: That's why you had fourteen inners. Oh mom had. It's
Speaker 1: very that's very true, Bill. But what what I had
Speaker 1: was it was a casual, you know, strike for me
Speaker 1: because I'm still at home with my mom. So it's
Speaker 1: not like the bills are just you know, in the
Speaker 1: dating me, I'm not even thinking about what Drew Pierce
Speaker 1: is going through, Harvey Martin's going through, Bob Brune is
Speaker 1: going through, you know, Danny White's going through. These guys
Speaker 1: have families and bills. Well, I found that out in
Speaker 1: eighty seven when I was the union rep here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: Now I got my two kids, you know, I got
Speaker 1: a a house, note two cars, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: a different story. Your mentality going into a strike is
Speaker 1: totally different than when you're just a twenty two year
Speaker 1: old just kind of at that channel. Oh oh, we
Speaker 1: don't strike. To me, it's a break, it's a vacation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm still living house people. I'm going hanging out with
Speaker 1: my boys. You know, I have no bills. Mentality its
Speaker 1: totally different anymore. Eighty seven, you missed three or four paychecks.
Speaker 1: Then in eighty seven, yeah, we went. We we went
Speaker 1: three games, yes, and there was one week nothing happened,
Speaker 1: right right, Yeah. And then in eighty two I was
Speaker 1: called after we came back from the strike. I believe
Speaker 1: we got a check when we came back for missing Yeah. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: we did a small check. It wasn't it didn't cover everything,
Speaker 1: but it was a small check for that. We got
Speaker 1: nothing like that in eighty seven. And you talk about
Speaker 1: union meetings back then, could you imagine trying to say
Speaker 1: something against Gene Upshaw. You know he wants to fight
Speaker 1: you right there in the meeting. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was going on with you guys, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's like football practice in the meetings. You you say
Speaker 1: something out of line. Hey, hey, wait a minute, I'm
Speaker 1: a union I'm a union guy. Can you please ask
Speaker 1: the question? You know, it was it was still the
Speaker 1: wild wild in the newspaper reporters union. There wasn't a
Speaker 1: Gene up show. We had a guild that we didn't
Speaker 1: have notice. Yeah, I don't know what's worse there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they did nothing, I guarantee you, and I'll never
Speaker 1: forget the day when when Techs walked out there where
Speaker 1: the guys were picketing, and he wanted to argue with
Speaker 1: you guys about what do you do? And he would
Speaker 1: try to talk sense in every or his sense and
Speaker 1: to everybody. It was the funniest thing you ever seen.
Speaker 1: It was like Winston Churchill came out to make this speech,
Speaker 1: you know, and these guys were naboy throwing stones at
Speaker 1: the bus when the replacement players came in and rocking it. Now,
Speaker 1: that was that nineteen eighty seven strike was the most
Speaker 1: unique moment. I mean it was you know how it
Speaker 1: is if it drags off for a long time, you know,
Speaker 1: the enthusiasm kind of wanes a little bit. So you went,
Speaker 1: we went out. We went from like you said, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody out there a party and having a good time,
Speaker 1: and the energy levels up and you know they're scabbing
Speaker 1: And remember Tony Dust, said Captain Scabb to Randy White
Speaker 1: next day. The next day he asked the crossover at
Speaker 1: the other captain's camp because of his contract. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: let's be real that that had nothing to do with it,
Speaker 1: because I had the same contract, did you. Let's not
Speaker 1: get into that. I'm set that spect. Let's not get
Speaker 1: into it. We're not getting into that contract, No way,
Speaker 1: not doing it. Was such a great theater too well,
Speaker 1: and they they they they incorporated the neighborhood. People came
Speaker 1: in and helped carry signs that were living out there
Speaker 1: in those apartments that lasted. Next thing you know, I'm
Speaker 1: out there by myself. I'm selling cigarettes or something. TV
Speaker 1: TV cameras were gone, and they were gone. Everybody was gone.
Speaker 1: And the only phot the only confrontation I remember was
Speaker 1: Randy White pulled into a Don's Smerick right in his
Speaker 1: truck and they uh, door set and I don't know
Speaker 1: who that got in front of the truck. They were
Speaker 1: going to stop him from going in, right. He he
Speaker 1: he puts the thing in neutral, right, and he starts
Speaker 1: reving the engine and all of a sudden he pops
Speaker 1: the clutch. That big old truck. Jump stop those guys, scatter.
Speaker 1: I just saw yesterday the golf. We had some good,
Speaker 1: good talks, but now those weren't the good times. At all,
Speaker 1: not at all. All right, Hey, we have to take
Speaker 1: a break. We have to take a break. And what
Speaker 1: do you think about taking phone calls for the first
Speaker 1: time in over a year? The ones like a year
Speaker 1: and a half. Well, let's new shots. Okay, it would
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Speaker 1: What sticks out to you on the schedule um the
Speaker 1: fact that they've got to do that three games in
Speaker 1: twelve days again around Thanksgiving and and starting and then
Speaker 1: starting with that away game the Sunday before Thanksgiving in
Speaker 1: Kansas City. They've got to play four away games in
Speaker 1: five games. That is it, Spags. I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: right now. I saw it this morning and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a problem. I mean, you got the
Speaker 1: home game versus the Raiders. Great, that's Thanksgiving Day, but
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it. And you got to play a
Speaker 1: dark night game in New Orleans, the worst place in
Speaker 1: the world to play a night the worst place in
Speaker 1: the world to play a game. That doesn't matter who's
Speaker 1: playing quarterback, not the Saints. That that I told you guys.
Speaker 1: It sounds the people start to sound like an engine.
Speaker 1: It's like they just transform into some some engine that
Speaker 1: just you can get louder and louder. It can have
Speaker 1: John four Cade playing for him. It doesn't matter John
Speaker 1: four Cade. Remember that. At first I didn't, but now
Speaker 1: it's coming back to me a little bit. What era
Speaker 1: was John four Cade? So he was at Old miss
Speaker 1: when I was in Jackson, Mississippi. He was the quarterback
Speaker 1: in the early early eighties. I remember intercepted him and
Speaker 1: then he ended up being on I don't know if
Speaker 1: they had practice squads or whatever. And then at the
Speaker 1: one year he had to be the quarterback there for
Speaker 1: the Saints. And honestly say, as this day began, I
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't think up well, I got a name
Speaker 1: that I want to bring up before we get to
Speaker 1: the mini camps. Did anybody watch the FCS Championship games
Speaker 1: Sam Houston State against Sale of the game, I saw
Speaker 1: the game winning touchdown, all right. There is a wide
Speaker 1: receiver at sam Houston State that transferred from Howard University,
Speaker 1: Jaches Ezzard. He was a player of the game. He
Speaker 1: was the MVP. He was the MVP of the semifinal game.
Speaker 1: The semifinal game, I think he had two receptions for
Speaker 1: touchdowns and he had a kickoff return for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: And in this game he had two catches for touchdown.
Speaker 1: Ten catches for one hundred and eight yards. Uh two
Speaker 1: were for touchdowns in the game, and he returned a
Speaker 1: punt for a touchdown that got called back by a
Speaker 1: BS block in the back. This guy, he's he's five
Speaker 1: nine one ninety two and he runs a four four
Speaker 1: three and they can't cover him. They had to double him.
Speaker 1: And that's why the guy that caught the touchdown, I think,
Speaker 1: day a day, that's why. And he the quarterback. Schmid
Speaker 1: drilled it between three guys, right, but they're worried about
Speaker 1: this ball going going to dezard Uh. Even before they
Speaker 1: got into that, he could have scored. The quarterback Smith
Speaker 1: went to the wrong receipt right because he was wide
Speaker 1: open the back of the end on the end cut.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was looking at. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the guy you gotta look at. Right the quarterback
Speaker 1: anticipate that he would be double and the safety went
Speaker 1: with the other guy right there. And also and also
Speaker 1: on that last drive to set up the touchdown, he
Speaker 1: caught the pass on fourth down coming back diving on
Speaker 1: that past he's diving here. The ball comes this and
Speaker 1: he almost had another touchdown with a one handed behind
Speaker 1: the back catch that he didn't hold on to quite
Speaker 1: long enough. Although the coach exhausted, right, he was exhausted.
Speaker 1: So I checked I checked him out. He's he played
Speaker 1: this year as a grad student student assist. He's got
Speaker 1: an eligibility a grad transfer. Uh, he can have one
Speaker 1: more year of eligibility, can they all can? Or if
Speaker 1: if he decides not to and looks like he would
Speaker 1: go into the supplemental It was my question yeah, so
Speaker 1: he could not check that out supplemental draft or what
Speaker 1: he also could do he could transfer to Alabama and
Speaker 1: win the Heisman troll, right and get another year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if you can do that second
Speaker 1: transfer like that, but he's got another year of eligibility
Speaker 1: to do that. So, I mean, they just change the
Speaker 1: rules where everybody can transfer, and this is a guy
Speaker 1: that he's a graduate student, he's immediately eligible. Everyone can transfer.
Speaker 1: This whole transfer portal has just changed the whole So
Speaker 1: check this out. In twenty seventeen at Howard, thirty four
Speaker 1: catches eight ninety five, he averaged twenty six point three
Speaker 1: yards a catch, and in twenty eighteen, forty catches for
Speaker 1: one thousand and sixty four average twenty six point six
Speaker 1: yards a catch at twelve touchdowns. Twelve touchdowns. So the
Speaker 1: question is, and nobody recruited him from an SBS school,
Speaker 1: all right, nobody? So what would you do if you
Speaker 1: had his choice? There? Okay, you can you can go
Speaker 1: make yourself eligible for the supplemental draft in July. Okay,
Speaker 1: And obviously the rules on the supplemental draft to team,
Speaker 1: it's the same draft order as this year. But teams
Speaker 1: would you would give up? Like, for instance, if you
Speaker 1: wanted to draft him in the first round, you give
Speaker 1: up your first round pick for next spring. Okay, would
Speaker 1: Jacksonville do that and add him to the Arsenal for
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence with the top pick? I doubt it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Jacksonville will do it. But if I'm
Speaker 1: the player, if you're the player, do you think you
Speaker 1: were the first championship and I was the VP? You
Speaker 1: gotta strike while the iron is hot, yes, and you
Speaker 1: can't wait for another season like this lightning in the
Speaker 1: bottom again to happen. I don't know what's going with
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Is he coming back? How many players are
Speaker 1: coming back? How many would turn it? Can they repeat?
Speaker 1: I'm not going to back any that al I did. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: you need to go down to Sam Houston State and
Speaker 1: advise this kid. Should he should come out right now?
Speaker 1: Strike while it's hot and regardless of what happens. Don't
Speaker 1: you know I went undrafted free agent. If I'm bald
Speaker 1: him like this kid, I'm going to come in and
Speaker 1: make somebody's team. That's just all this to it. So
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking if supplemental draft I would give up
Speaker 1: a third for him, I'd take a chance on a third. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was definitely, he's definitely. What about the teams that
Speaker 1: have multiple first and second round draft picks? And if
Speaker 1: you have that, yeah, absolutely, And who who did the
Speaker 1: trade to got all the draft picks? It wasn't Miami,
Speaker 1: was it Miami? They traded around? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Miami did,
Speaker 1: because that's who San Francisco traded up with. And then
Speaker 1: they moved back up to six with Philadelphia, but they
Speaker 1: still have probably multiple picks for next year. And then
Speaker 1: the quarterback trade um with Darnelda right vitud So if
Speaker 1: I had, if I had an extra one, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you what they were comparing him to Steve Smith Senior.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like strong legs, you know, a great balance.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like what the Cowboys were looking at
Speaker 1: when they traded for Amari Cooper. Okay, you're giving up
Speaker 1: your first round draft pick next year or for now.
Speaker 1: This is an established player, already established as a Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: But on the flip side of that, you knew within
Speaker 1: just over a year's time you're about to have to
Speaker 1: pay him one hundred million dollars. Now with this guy,
Speaker 1: if you use a let's say you used a first
Speaker 1: round draft pick on him. You have him not only
Speaker 1: for this season, but for four more years at a
Speaker 1: relatively decent price. It's not free agent money, you know.
Speaker 1: And if you evaluate him as a guy that he's
Speaker 1: your first round pick, you're getting him six months early.
Speaker 1: You're getting in a season early. Yeah, no, absolute, why
Speaker 1: not use it for if he if you evaluate him
Speaker 1: as a first round pick, then why not use your
Speaker 1: first round pick next year? I was just, let's be
Speaker 1: real impressed. They put the best defensive back on him, yes,
Speaker 1: all over the fat, yes, and he made him look
Speaker 1: pretty bad. So if you're the Cowboys, Michael Gallop is
Speaker 1: a free agent after next year, I don't think you
Speaker 1: can afford a first or a second, but I do
Speaker 1: a third. You know what I would do leave Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup alone. I would do, you know what, even with
Speaker 1: this guy's my special team's returner, right, and I got
Speaker 1: another special team's job that that should be filled. Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons should be the punt protector because I'm gonna snap
Speaker 1: him the ball and let him run. They were stuff,
Speaker 1: So they were doing a drill out here, and it
Speaker 1: was kind of a special teams deal where they were
Speaker 1: trying to simulate tackling, and so once you did that,
Speaker 1: then you had to go to the other line and
Speaker 1: you had to take the ball and run and the
Speaker 1: guy had to try to raise up with you. Right,
Speaker 1: he put a move on one poor guy. No paths, right,
Speaker 1: but he put this move on this guy. And I'm going, well,
Speaker 1: that's why in high school he ran for twelve hundred
Speaker 1: yards as a junior. We'll see. Now that's not fair either.
Speaker 1: I must say my first drill. Okay, as a Dallas Cowboy,
Speaker 1: we're working on covering out routes his defensive backs. I
Speaker 1: don't know who swipp flip the switch. But when I
Speaker 1: get up there, all of a sudden, instead of ain't
Speaker 1: going down and out like the other twenty five other
Speaker 1: guys did, they want to come out and up? Come on, man,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Then Gene stalls in my face, calling
Speaker 1: me a boy, and all of this, like, okay, it
Speaker 1: was extremely unnecessary that I bet was No, No, it
Speaker 1: was should not do that. Whatever it was, whatever they
Speaker 1: were doing. Do you remember who the receiver was? It
Speaker 1: didn't matter, he didn't make the team. I'm still here.
Speaker 1: I'm still here for years. I'm still here, Okay, minicamp, miniamp,
Speaker 1: tell me about miniamper So, just you know, looking at
Speaker 1: the draft choices, the guys they drafted looked apart. Now
Speaker 1: I don't know how well they're going to play there
Speaker 1: out there in shorts and whatever, but they looked apart.
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons looks like a linebacker. He moves like a linebacker.
Speaker 1: And when they went to very short session of Lebanon eleven,
Speaker 1: uh and then seven on seven. The eleven on leven
Speaker 1: was mostly running run game, and he has this ability
Speaker 1: with all that muck in front of him to see
Speaker 1: the angle, where to go to find the ball players,
Speaker 1: the ball carrier. It was, it was, it was just
Speaker 1: it was amazing to watch, right, and he was always
Speaker 1: kind of like in this right spot at the right
Speaker 1: time the other thing, and maybe this is the way
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. But when they were doing individual drills,
Speaker 1: first one in line, every time you go behind me.
Speaker 1: The best part about it when they went to their
Speaker 1: position drills, There's only three linebackers out there, so it
Speaker 1: was like private lessons, right, and guess who was running
Speaker 1: the linebacker drills. George Edwards defensive assistant last year, right
Speaker 1: or consulted whatever they called him. He was taking care
Speaker 1: of the linebackers. So I noticed that right away, very
Speaker 1: vocal running the drills. Dan Quinn was working with the
Speaker 1: defensive lineman the whole time. Whatever they were doing, he
Speaker 1: was down there. And by the way, he's got a
Speaker 1: pretty good nickname that I think he should get some
Speaker 1: advertisement for it, because they call him d Q. Okay,
Speaker 1: I told you that last week. DQ. That's what'd be
Speaker 1: calling these draft picks, the DQ do Derry Quayenne advertisement
Speaker 1: right there. Well, the guys and q do. The guys
Speaker 1: have picked up on him because when they referred to
Speaker 1: him as yeah, well d Q said, and it's like
Speaker 1: d Q uh so, yeah, he was running those drills.
Speaker 1: But the guys looked the part uh Kelvin Joseph. He
Speaker 1: looks like a cornerback. And and and he's really quick.
Speaker 1: Anybody wearing number twenty four, yeah right, And he had
Speaker 1: the right number, twenty four okay, okay, okay, And and
Speaker 1: he just runs a lot faster than idea. And he
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't have the big interception or twenty four.
Speaker 1: He was covering. He was covering guys. They they didn't
Speaker 1: get past him. Um, he's running. He's running like what
Speaker 1: low for threes? Yeah? Yeah, at four two nine. I
Speaker 1: see that. It's not just the speed though, it's the
Speaker 1: it's the hip movement right, and he's he's very fluid.
Speaker 1: That's what you want. Jabril Cox fourth. I don't know
Speaker 1: how this guy lasted to the fourth round. I mean
Speaker 1: he told you what he's like. Uh, linebacker. They had
Speaker 1: him on the week side Michael Parsons as the middle
Speaker 1: and when they went seven on seven, Um, they there
Speaker 1: was a deep pass, the ball got tipped and Cox
Speaker 1: caught it. He picked it up and they were thirty
Speaker 1: yards down field, So he dropped that far with those receivers.
Speaker 1: Think about where they played. You know, you played in
Speaker 1: the SEC, right, and you're looking at balls going down
Speaker 1: the field. You're accustomed to that. This is nothing new
Speaker 1: for you. You know you're gonna get in the way
Speaker 1: of plays. And when you have a linebacker that's a
Speaker 1: customer being down the field the way he did all
Speaker 1: season his whole career in LSU, playing against all these
Speaker 1: SEC teams, it's nothing new to him. Ball skills or
Speaker 1: something that's that's it's something he had to have the start.
Speaker 1: He played one year at LSU. He was at North
Speaker 1: Dakota State before that, playing up the road in Frisco
Speaker 1: and nationale hip and three years and three years and
Speaker 1: so he's an example of a guy getting back to
Speaker 1: that wide receiver from sam Houston State. He's here's an
Speaker 1: example of a guy who played winning national championships at
Speaker 1: the FCS level and then during COVID decides, okay, I'll
Speaker 1: go ahead and transferred national champion. And what'd that do
Speaker 1: for his draft stock? Nothing? He got drafted in the
Speaker 1: fourth round. Well, he looks the part, and the other
Speaker 1: guy that looks the part is quintin Bohanna. I was
Speaker 1: looking for some dump truck to come in there, run Terry. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there there you go. And that's said because Don Terry
Speaker 1: was so good God coming out of college. Please. So
Speaker 1: he's six four six four, three thirty or three twenty
Speaker 1: seven whatever. He probably ate breakfast and he's three thirty
Speaker 1: and it's a good three thirty and he can move.
Speaker 1: And we need this guy to be good because he's
Speaker 1: a great interview, right, somebody at somebody asking him about
Speaker 1: clogging up the middle and whatever. He goes, Oh man,
Speaker 1: he goes, linebackers love me, you know. And he was
Speaker 1: just everything that everything that he that he that he
Speaker 1: had to say, it was somewhat funny. Uh. And they
Speaker 1: were talking about, well, what do you need to prove
Speaker 1: on He goes, well, I got to get stronger. He goes,
Speaker 1: I was strong in college. Now I got to get
Speaker 1: NFL strong and and so he understands it, uh, and
Speaker 1: talk about private lessons because he was the only like
Speaker 1: nose tackle that they had to work with, right, oci
Speaker 1: O Digazuo is a three technique, but yeah, this Bohannan
Speaker 1: guy keeping and he kind of dinged his shoulder. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he came out and they didn't have another defensive
Speaker 1: tackle to go in there. So d Q turns his
Speaker 1: hat around and goes and plays nose tackle right and
Speaker 1: always do a stand up and go like this. Right.
Speaker 1: They asked Bohannah about it, and he goes, yeah, he goes,
Speaker 1: you know these coaches, they get older and they still
Speaker 1: think they go back to the old days. Right. And
Speaker 1: then he went back in right a couple of plays
Speaker 1: later and he goes, yeah, he goes, I had to
Speaker 1: go get DQ and tap him out. Tell me about
Speaker 1: the kids from Kentucky. How do you look the other kid?
Speaker 1: Bohannah's from Kentucky. But right, Joseph was a guy I
Speaker 1: was talking about twenty Yeah, and I'll tell you another
Speaker 1: guy who looks the part is the Chauncey Golston. He's long,
Speaker 1: I mean, his arms are forever. He's tall, slender, and
Speaker 1: he's pretty quick. They had him working at right right
Speaker 1: defensive end and you know, he said, I can play
Speaker 1: both whatever you whatever you want, I'm being on that
Speaker 1: defensive end side. He's more. I think he's he's a
Speaker 1: defense the way his legs are built, it's a defensive line.
Speaker 1: He's too he I think at the at the Pro
Speaker 1: day he was two seventy. He got down to two seventy.
Speaker 1: I think he played more at two seventy. That's good. So,
Speaker 1: I mean he's kind of Tyrone Crawford as far as
Speaker 1: what his commensions were coming out of college, you know.
Speaker 1: And then the guy that everybody was so worried about
Speaker 1: because they took him in the third round, Nashan. Right,
Speaker 1: he's tall, he's skinny, but he can move and he
Speaker 1: was interviews to his interview was great, and he's been
Speaker 1: having this back and forth thing with Richard sh Yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: what is going on? Well, he said he noticed that
Speaker 1: what the media made a big deal of him, saying, I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, more more athletic. And he goes, and I
Speaker 1: didn't mean anything by it, So he goes, I made sure.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was Instagram. He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, m m hey, no offense. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: Sherman was evidently okay with him. All I understand, but
Speaker 1: he could move. You asked about hip hips. Oh my,
Speaker 1: so he broke up one pass and again, take this
Speaker 1: for what it's worth. He's playing against guys that aren't
Speaker 1: going to be in the league, right. The two quarterbacks
Speaker 1: were basically here on a tryout basis, And the reason
Speaker 1: they were here on a tryout basis is they needed
Speaker 1: a quarterback to do mini camp because they wouldn't let dnut.
Speaker 1: They thought Denucci would be able to be eligible and
Speaker 1: he wasn't, so they brought those two guys in. And
Speaker 1: the receivers you know who know. And the wind is
Speaker 1: blowing on Saturday. They may have a problem out there
Speaker 1: with a wind tunnel away. The new building is there,
Speaker 1: but anyway, he makes a diving interception and and and
Speaker 1: I liked what he had to say afterwards, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, I make the diving interception and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm used to being down. He goes,
Speaker 1: I had to think, Oh, I can get up and run,
Speaker 1: and he did. So keep an eye on this guy
Speaker 1: because you know, if if you need a guy to
Speaker 1: body up any and he can run, that's a tall
Speaker 1: guy to get the pass over. If he's cover actually
Speaker 1: knows who he's covering and what to do. To me,
Speaker 1: what's as important is just having the mindset and the
Speaker 1: culture to change. Because they talked about it, cowboys are
Speaker 1: looking for more playmaking defensive backs. Well, how do we
Speaker 1: get to this position to where we don't have any
Speaker 1: playmaking defensive back? And they don't mean tackling, they don't
Speaker 1: mean making plays on the running back. We're talking about
Speaker 1: making plays on the ball deep down the field. We're
Speaker 1: talking about recognition by safety. Instead of him being caught
Speaker 1: up on a twenty yard incut, you have to be
Speaker 1: ready for that post route that's coming behind you. So
Speaker 1: the recognition of the schemes that are becoming at you,
Speaker 1: that's what's important. It's not about you know how fast
Speaker 1: you can run and what you're looking drills? Can you
Speaker 1: make plays on the ball. That's the culture that needs
Speaker 1: to be continued. I'm sorry it was continued, it was discontinued.
Speaker 1: That's the culture that needs to begin again around him,
Speaker 1: the one, the one undrafted free agent. Can we save
Speaker 1: it for the next segment. Okay? Remember that? Okay, that's
Speaker 1: our tea. I better writing down one undrafted remember three
Speaker 1: two minutes the next Everson Walls undrafted free agent. Okay,
Speaker 1: and Gary Jackie Flash requested that we give the phone
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Speaker 1: eye at Rookie Minicamp over the weekend, and it just
Speaker 1: happened to be a defensive back. It was a safety
Speaker 1: from Purdue, Tyler Coyle, six foot two oh nine, undrafted.
Speaker 1: He looked like he knew what he was doing back there,
Speaker 1: so we'll keep an eye on him. Also, one of
Speaker 1: the guys I didn't mention Mukuamu. Is that how I say,
Speaker 1: Israel Mukamu you can call him is he is? He
Speaker 1: six four two twelve and they moved him to safety,
Speaker 1: and he looked like a safety. I mean he was
Speaker 1: fluid and his physical presence was pretty impressive. So keep
Speaker 1: an eye on those two safeties. I like him, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think many people knew about him because J. C.
Speaker 1: Horne played opposite him at South South Carolina, right, and
Speaker 1: so when you watch jac Horne you probably saw him
Speaker 1: in practice. It must have had a great defense in
Speaker 1: South Carolina, right, Yeah, they got a good defense, got
Speaker 1: a great defensive backfield didn't work out, didn't really work
Speaker 1: out for them, as far as I was going to say,
Speaker 1: they weren't very good. Now, the running back that we
Speaker 1: were talking about for South Dakota State, his name is
Speaker 1: Davis Isaiah, and he's a freshman from Joplin, Missouri. One
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy eight yards on fourteen carries and that
Speaker 1: eighty five yard go ahead touchdown. I had a feeling
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be enough. I just knew it. And the
Speaker 1: way the game was going and the announcers, oh, they
Speaker 1: backed him up. They got a long way to go.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, it only takes one place. Now, the
Speaker 1: eighty five yard was amazing. This is a kid here,
Speaker 1: he's a true refreshman. If I'm not mistaken. Now, that
Speaker 1: was a very good runner and a very good ball game.
Speaker 1: Don't sleep on the I still say one double at
Speaker 1: a class, guys, that's you got a lot of heart
Speaker 1: coming from thost. I finally remember the acronym, so I
Speaker 1: can say FCS now with you know, because I never
Speaker 1: knew is a FBS. It's so FCS. I got it.
Speaker 1: I'm moving on from one double A and I tell you, guys,
Speaker 1: I have to go back to this schedule. And we
Speaker 1: started talking about how it was around Thanksgiving, coming out
Speaker 1: of Thanksgiving, and that that stretch of the three games
Speaker 1: twelve days. So you're still looking at three NFC East
Speaker 1: games in a row, two against Washington UH and one
Speaker 1: against the Giants in New York. So two of those
Speaker 1: three games on the road. That part right there just
Speaker 1: makes me extremely nervous for the last five or against
Speaker 1: the East. There goes the Eagles, Yes, there go the
Speaker 1: Eagles as the last game. All right, let's get more
Speaker 1: in the draft here. In a second. But we've got
Speaker 1: Philip from France. All right, Hi, how you doing? We
Speaker 1: are good? Okay. I'd like to say one one thing
Speaker 1: to mister Walter. I wish to see you soon in Campton.
Speaker 1: I'm not um old enough to watch you play, but
Speaker 1: I do some research and I love it. I just
Speaker 1: very quick questions after this rookie minicamp, how many UM
Speaker 1: of our rookies or drafted rookies we'll make the team
Speaker 1: UM for next season? Thanks for taking Michael, take care
Speaker 1: and be safe. Bye bye, thank you. What does Philip
Speaker 1: good for being the first ever caller on BIX shots? Uh?
Speaker 1: Do we have any awards that we can calls? We
Speaker 1: didn't know we had listeners lessons? Yes, right, let's come
Speaker 1: up with something. So how many of these draft picks
Speaker 1: make the final roster? Well, I was thinking if out
Speaker 1: of eleven, if you can get seven to make the team,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. And then get practice squads too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a couple of practice squads, I would think, you know,
Speaker 1: unless somebody they get released and somebody picks them up.
Speaker 1: You know they think we're talking. Yeah, I think all elevens.
Speaker 1: You got Tyler Coyle making me too. As the undrafted safety.
Speaker 1: He's going to knock off one of those veterans in
Speaker 1: a one year deal. We'll see how how well he
Speaker 1: does when se that big boys, we're talking draft picks,
Speaker 1: but also, like you said, undrafted free agents. One of
Speaker 1: them might just slip in there. Yeah, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: could see. We got we got two undrafted free agents
Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame, so come on, yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta give them some tried, tried. And speaking of that,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys opened the preseason against the Pittsburgh Steelers in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame game on August fifth. Man, you
Speaker 1: tell me the famers. Oh my god, Cowboys in Steelers. Yeah, man, yea.
Speaker 1: And your buddy Jimmy Johnson's going into Ja Jaj's going in.
Speaker 1: You know. We talked man, me and Jimmy. Cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked. You got a hold of them. I got
Speaker 1: a hold of them. Yeah right, that was interesting. Good.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. Actually, he yeah, we saved that
Speaker 1: for next week. Yeah, next Tuesday. What I'm here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, not the following Tuesday. Thursday, Yeah, Thursday. But
Speaker 1: the other thing on those drafted players and one of
Speaker 1: the reasons that the Stephen Jones cited that they wanted
Speaker 1: to go ahead and use those draft picks is because
Speaker 1: of where where they are with the salary cap, and
Speaker 1: so these drafted players have a better chance. There's more
Speaker 1: of them that have a better chance of making the
Speaker 1: team this year than in past years because of where
Speaker 1: they are in the salary cat they're squeezed. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they would have to knock off somebody that's you know,
Speaker 1: the salary based salary. I mean you could say five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars if you if a rookie, you know, a
Speaker 1: sixth round draft Bohannah makes the roster, and you release
Speaker 1: a guy that's making you know, a veteran minimum of
Speaker 1: one point one million. Well, and and if you look
Speaker 1: at it, though, the two guys they signed in free agency,
Speaker 1: right Carlos Watkins and Brett Urban. Watkins is in his
Speaker 1: fifth year and Urban is eight years. But after that,
Speaker 1: Terrell Basham, he got a little bit of money, he
Speaker 1: got more money, and then the rest of the guys
Speaker 1: they might knock off. I might be a second year guy.
Speaker 1: So it's not really like you're saving who heck of life.
Speaker 1: They don't have, Like there's no Um Thomas the linebacker,
Speaker 1: the veteran last year, like he's not Joe's not here anymore.
Speaker 1: So they already got rid of Antoine Woods and Woods
Speaker 1: is gone. So there's a reason that Woods was let
Speaker 1: go because they took care of their business in the
Speaker 1: draft getting these defensive linemen, so that that move was
Speaker 1: made then and then guys like Noah Brown and and
Speaker 1: Um Wilson, Cedric Wilson, who's would make the same amount
Speaker 1: as Woods was. If you're the fourth and fifth wide receiver,
Speaker 1: better be careful because you never know if Hooku can
Speaker 1: play or he's worth keeping, or if you have a
Speaker 1: rookie free agent that can come in and take your spot.
Speaker 1: And you save a million dollars because when I looked
Speaker 1: at the salary cap, every millions going to count. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not like you say, oh, it's only a million. See,
Speaker 1: that's where the Cowboys are out on the Sam Houston
Speaker 1: statewide receiver US using next year's first round pick because
Speaker 1: you have to pay a money this year. They don't.
Speaker 1: They don't have the money to spend the first round pick.
Speaker 1: In the third round, fourth round, you will be able to.
Speaker 1: But again, those are blind drafts, like you write down
Speaker 1: I want and we wanted fourth and then however, the
Speaker 1: order is the you know what's like bidding on a house, right,
Speaker 1: that's right? All right? One more thing on the schedule, Um,
Speaker 1: Cowboys go to New England on October seventeenth. Who will
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback be for the Patriots in that game?
Speaker 1: The Patriots now have what's the date? A game that's
Speaker 1: October seventeenth, six sixth game of the season, sixth game
Speaker 1: of the season. The Patriots yesterday signed Brian Hoyer. So
Speaker 1: now they've got Cam Newton, their first round pick, Mac Jones,
Speaker 1: Jared Stidham, and Brian Hoyer their four quarterbacks in camp.
Speaker 1: So who's going to be playing quarterback for the Patriots
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys go in there on Sunday October seventeenth.
Speaker 1: I still see Cam Newton, Mac Jones. Why they signed
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer? Maybe so the Cowboys don't get them? Oh
Speaker 1: so nicky Nicky says, the Cowboys are still in the
Speaker 1: marketing for a backup. Oh, I think they are. I
Speaker 1: think they should be. I think they're waiting for somebody
Speaker 1: like that to get released. You don't jump the gun here,
Speaker 1: but you want them, you want them now. If it's
Speaker 1: a veteran, veteran doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You like
Speaker 1: them for the start of training camp, not the end
Speaker 1: of training kiss. Yes, And that's when most of those
Speaker 1: guys will get released. At the end of training Well,
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton got released this week last it was the
Speaker 1: week after the draft, Joe Burrow. But somebody, I would
Speaker 1: think some of these other teams are going to release.
Speaker 1: How much money do you have to spend on it
Speaker 1: at that point if you don't have a job? Two million,
Speaker 1: a million and a half. I mean, the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: two million to spend quarterback. They could make that okay,
Speaker 1: because they're gonna ask my question. They're gonna have because
Speaker 1: because I was I was saying, you know, AJ McCarron
Speaker 1: had a history with nuss Meyer at Alabama, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: a J. McCarron might be a guy that they could
Speaker 1: bring in. Not that he's got many NFL skins on
Speaker 1: the wall to speak of, but he got signed by
Speaker 1: Atlanta for one point two million dollars, So that was
Speaker 1: the market. That's the market for those quarterbacks now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and especially the closer you get the training camp and
Speaker 1: you don't have a job. One point two looks good.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys are sitting there with four quarterbacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, with with Dak and Garrett Gilbert and Danucci
Speaker 1: and Cooper Rush. Okay, and you don't want you don't
Speaker 1: need five quarterbacks in camp. No, so somebody would get
Speaker 1: somebody would go, would get released. If you got a
Speaker 1: veteran that's kind of proven that you think, Okay, this
Speaker 1: this guy. While you're gonna say there's competition, he's probably
Speaker 1: my guy. So yeah, I mean, Jacksonville has a bunch
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks now, and they had signed h Blaine Gabbert,
Speaker 1: who was their backup last Papa Bay. Tampa Bay. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Yeah, yeah, Tampa Bay's got a bunch, and
Speaker 1: they had signed another guy the week before, Ryan I think,
Speaker 1: Bryan Griffin. I think, yeah, that's it. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: they may release one of those guys and you never know.
Speaker 1: Um and there was another veteran that just got signed
Speaker 1: um Well. And then Tampa also drafted Kyle Trask, the
Speaker 1: rocky second round draft pick out of Florida. So yeah,
Speaker 1: some of these, some of these guys, they're gonna there's
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be quarterbacks available at the end of training camp,
Speaker 1: and I would imagine kind of, you know, betting on
Speaker 1: that right now and just kind of say, okay, let's
Speaker 1: hold tight. We got enough to go to training camp.
Speaker 1: But if something happens, here's what we can do. Okay,
Speaker 1: that does it for this edition to Mix Shots. I
Speaker 1: can't wait till next week's show where we get to
Speaker 1: hear about Everson's conversation with Jimmy Johnson. Oh boy, that's
Speaker 1: a great tease. Don't miss this, all right, Remember we
Speaker 1: get Jimmy to join us and they can. Please, we'll
Speaker 1: see it and we'll see what kind of what kind
Speaker 1: of pull Everson has. You guys want it. I did
Speaker 1: it to make the moves. I'm here. You get Jimmy.
Speaker 1: I'll still be here, so y'all make the move. Don't
Speaker 1: put anything on me. Hey, we'll tell him. We'll put
Speaker 1: him in the Mix Shots Ring of Honor. That's right,
Speaker 1: you know, that's right. And Philippe goes into the Ring
Speaker 1: of and we need to talk about about the Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, that's right. Yeah, okay, No, that would be
Speaker 1: very cool. Yeah, him about the Hall of Fame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe someone who's recently talked to him could ask you
Speaker 1: into okay. We continue with more mix shots next Tuesday
Speaker 1: at eleven thirty, where we will take more of your
Speaker 1: mini phone calls. I'm not coming up next week. I'm not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot Chris waited for you. This has been a
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