Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
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Speaker 1: Done done, Hello, and welcome to another episode of your
Speaker 1: favorite podcasts. That's Messed Up an SVU podcast with me
Speaker 1: Kara Klink and I'm Lee's a Tragger. We talk SVU crimes,
Speaker 1: talk to celebs. We really have a great life here
Speaker 1: on the podcast, yep. And before that, we like to chat,
Speaker 1: which some of you love and some of you don't,
Speaker 1: but either way, it's happening.
Speaker 3: We're in the city.
Speaker 2: So I did want to start with actually some SVU
Speaker 2: stuff I found that I guess it was posted a
Speaker 2: month ago and I didn't watch it, but on YouTube
Speaker 2: Vanity Fairplay, said Marishka. Her gut rewatches Long Order SVU
Speaker 2: from seasons one to twenty five, and it's Marishka watching
Speaker 2: important things that have happened to her.
Speaker 3: And then I mean she cries almost every year. She's crying.
Speaker 3: You watched it.
Speaker 1: I saw clips, I saw clips like on instude, stuff
Speaker 1: like of just her and people. You guys, listeners have
Speaker 1: sent it to us and stuff.
Speaker 3: It was so amazing.
Speaker 2: So I finally watched it and she's a she cries baby, yeah,
Speaker 2: but the Robin Williams. I think she was being funny
Speaker 2: because they were showing the Robin Williams episode and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I really don't even remember that one, and then they're
Speaker 2: like the pillow fight. She goes, oh, that's for that,
Speaker 2: But then she goes in depth talking about Robin Williams
Speaker 2: and like truly cries and can't see it, can't even
Speaker 2: finish a sentence.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, was she kiddy? I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she also went she.
Speaker 2: Like raised the roof in the interview as well, but
Speaker 2: it was I'll tell you. It was the Maria episode
Speaker 2: nine one one where she won the Emmy and she goes, oh,
Speaker 2: then I fucking deserved winning because she said there wasn't
Speaker 2: a little girl, there wasn't a voice. It was the
Speaker 2: script coordinator going, please help me, I need your help, Like, no.
Speaker 3: Actor, you guys couldn't get a stand in. You can
Speaker 3: get someone to act with her. Geees. Right.
Speaker 2: Then they picked Pablo Schreiber episode and that was, you know, tough.
Speaker 3: To tough watch.
Speaker 2: William Lewis then it was the scene where Ben's It
Speaker 2: was after Benson saves baby Eli in the car with Kathy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he like grabs her to hug and she's bawling talking
Speaker 2: about this hug. You know at the care she goes,
Speaker 2: you know, it's so much said without saying anything, and
Speaker 2: she goes. Usually when I watch stuff, I go, I
Speaker 2: could have changed this. I could have done that, batter,
Speaker 2: I could have made that richer. And she goes that
Speaker 2: like is perfect. And then it was the Robin Williams
Speaker 2: and so those are the epic scenes that Vanity Fair
Speaker 2: thought to talk about.
Speaker 1: I still think it's bullshit that that baby was not
Speaker 1: named Oliver. That is bullshit that they did not name
Speaker 1: that baby.
Speaker 3: Great we are talking. That is like question number one
Speaker 3: when we finally get Marishka on this podcast.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've never I've never talked about this, Come on,
Speaker 2: we haven't never, I've never.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, it should have been named after Olivia.
Speaker 2: But I didn't even hear the name Oliver, Like it
Speaker 2: didn't even come to my brain.
Speaker 3: But that totally made Ali Ali.
Speaker 1: Right, Like what I mean, yeah, like Olivier, I guess
Speaker 1: if you want to be friendshaned, like weird. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that of course, like this baby miracle happens from this
Speaker 1: other woman in your life who has provided you with
Speaker 1: so much partnership. She jaws of life, fucking saves your
Speaker 1: wife and your baby's life, and you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: Whoman named the baby after me?
Speaker 3: Like insane behavior. No, he said Kathy.
Speaker 2: He goes to Kathy wants to name him Eli after me,
Speaker 2: and it's like or Eliah, and it's like, but why
Speaker 2: wouldn't even cat that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the right a.
Speaker 2: We actually have to ask someone about that. Oh well,
Speaker 2: Marishka hopefully because you're right, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been like it would have been, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe my dad's advocate now obviously is popping up, or
Speaker 1: like maybe it's like they did want to continue to
Speaker 1: make their be tension between the two of them, and
Speaker 1: I do feel like naming your child after somebody provide
Speaker 1: like that's like you're in my family now, and for
Speaker 1: them to ever get together after that it would.
Speaker 3: Be fucked up. So maybe that's why you.
Speaker 2: Think it's that kind of a It could be like
Speaker 2: I missed one of the things. It was one of
Speaker 2: the episodes she directed, which I did. I don't remember
Speaker 2: at all, so I wonder if it's this current season
Speaker 2: and it maybe be like, oh, I have to catch
Speaker 2: up because but it was a giant manhunt and she
Speaker 2: said it was like raining and so many extra but
Speaker 2: which I didn't think about. She goes, but when I direct,
Speaker 2: it's hard because directors usually get a week of prep,
Speaker 2: but I don't because I'm on set right So it's
Speaker 2: like she's on set and having the prep. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I'd never thought about that kind of double duty. But
Speaker 2: her bangs looks incredible and I don't know, I loved it. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: they all went to back to work this week because
Speaker 2: Iced Tea posts I saw today work. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: today is the first day. I was actually just looking
Speaker 2: up some things. I feel like I saw something interesting on.
Speaker 3: Woll Ice Tea is funny.
Speaker 2: He goes and when they ask what I did summer break,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show him this and it's like, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: at a giant concert, you know, performing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like Marishka always has like a luxurious summer break,
Speaker 1: like she's always in Italy. I feel like she was
Speaker 1: on safari, like she she's kids around.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then she recently was she had Rowin's and
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm only saying Scanavino, but what am
Speaker 1: I trying to say? Careesi? She had Rowins and Caresy.
Speaker 1: I'm like doing some kind of beach walk for Joyful Heart.
Speaker 1: So she's been chilling with the co stars leading up
Speaker 1: to the I mean, we would love to start fundraising
Speaker 1: for Joyful Heart.
Speaker 3: We would do a bit, get us, get us on
Speaker 3: the INVI list.
Speaker 1: If you work for Joyful Heart and you're listening to
Speaker 1: this pod, we are happy to call them out if
Speaker 1: you are somehow not in the know. That is her
Speaker 1: foundation that does a lot of really important work, and
Speaker 1: it has definitely been a sister PEG at one point.
Speaker 3: But well, I have a little this is going on.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you so you know, I never pay
Speaker 2: attention to anything. I'm not really an organized person. I
Speaker 2: write a show, I go seven thirty show, Brooklyn whatever.
Speaker 3: Yes, So I had.
Speaker 2: Written last Night Lincoln Center. I knew it wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: be the real Lincoln Center. So I was like, cause
Speaker 2: the Kennedy Center has all these different rooms, right, I
Speaker 2: performed at the Kennedy Center, but in one of the
Speaker 2: side rooms that look like at Mitst.
Speaker 3: Of a holding, you know, a door room.
Speaker 2: I don't think I said it right, but I've done
Speaker 2: daytime shows in the little theaters there, so I assume
Speaker 2: Lincoln Center was like that, where there was tons of
Speaker 2: little rooms and we were doing some sort of showcase.
Speaker 2: But we show up. It's actually a really cool program.
Speaker 2: I should find out the name. But this woman, Susette,
Speaker 2: does it and she gets grants from the city and
Speaker 2: she puts on free comedy shows all over the city
Speaker 2: and this one is weekly. But it's in the it's
Speaker 2: in the parking garage first level, so there's no doors
Speaker 2: that's outside through. It's like because it's not a garage
Speaker 2: because both sides are open, but you can drive through.
Speaker 2: So it's like this driveway garage entrance under Lincoln Centers
Speaker 2: where this show is. But the green room's air conditioned.
Speaker 2: It's really nice. And I went to PJ. Clarks for
Speaker 2: the first time. Yeah, not that good. No, The thing is,
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was going I thought it was
Speaker 2: gonna be overpriced, but fine, like solid, like a country
Speaker 2: club food or something like that, where it's like you
Speaker 2: are spending more. It's an institution. It was good twenty
Speaker 2: five years ago. But it'll be good, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it was just not See, my old boss was
Speaker 2: obsessed with PJ.
Speaker 1: Clarks, and I went through with him a couple of
Speaker 1: times where he would have like he actually threw a
Speaker 1: couple of like events after screenings and stuff there. But
Speaker 1: like everybody always said the burger was the best thing there.
Speaker 3: And I don't see you hot for the burger.
Speaker 2: We got fish and chips and split some me so
Speaker 2: kind of clams with cilantro, and it was just it
Speaker 2: just because it is it's like a thirty five dollars
Speaker 2: fish and shit, you know what I mean, it's four
Speaker 2: oysters for twenty something, Like, I don't know it was.
Speaker 3: It was what it was. It was what it was. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but they're sitting next to me.
Speaker 2: Was a fucking idiot listening to them talk. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so but I just knew Upper West Side you would
Speaker 2: know PJ. Clark, and I was happy to have tried it,
Speaker 2: and honestly I would go again and try the burger.
Speaker 3: It smelt amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the burger is supposed to be the thing, I guess,
Speaker 1: but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need me eat My friend Jared Goldstein.
Speaker 3: I went with it. He doesn't eat dairy, you know whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So but I go to the show. It's all
Speaker 2: going for I'm last on it. I go up. It
Speaker 2: does start raining and we're in this parking garage but
Speaker 2: you could see the rain on either side of the openings.
Speaker 3: But I don't mind.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that well to be honest, like, I'm
Speaker 2: not really clicking with this garage audience, but I have
Speaker 2: some people that are into it. Then it starts pouring,
Speaker 2: and then towards the end of my set, I don't
Speaker 2: know where I'm at time wise, but a woman jumps
Speaker 2: onto the stage and she goes, we have to end
Speaker 2: the show early, and I go, was it something I said?
Speaker 2: She goes the rain and it started flooding. It was
Speaker 2: like the it was a Sylvester Stillone movie. So the
Speaker 2: water is like rushing in. It is flooding into this thing.
Speaker 2: They're pushing people out the other end. People are mopping
Speaker 2: and vacuuming water and it's just like a full storm.
Speaker 1: Literally, this is comedy. This is comedy. You can be
Speaker 1: shooting your own fucking Netflix hour with people making it
Speaker 1: all about you. You're you're shooting this wonderful production and
Speaker 1: a month later you're fucking and a flooded parking lot
Speaker 1: that is comedy. Like there's simply nothing else to say, like, well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know this. But then I you know,
Speaker 2: I'm filming the next day. All of a sudden, last
Speaker 2: night they tell me, they're like, we'll pick you up noon.
Speaker 2: I go noon on Friday, they go tomorrow. I'm like, what, Like,
Speaker 2: I have things. I'm like, we have an important guess
Speaker 2: I can't cancel, so they're picking me up later.
Speaker 3: But it is Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 1: The disrespect just like, oh my god, so dirty, and
Speaker 1: I like it was just flooding in and I mean
Speaker 1: there's there's something cool to like doing cool like, you know,
Speaker 1: don't tell Carmony their whole their whole premise is like
Speaker 1: go see comedy at a yoga studio or like a
Speaker 1: you know, and it's nice whatever.
Speaker 3: I think that's cool.
Speaker 2: I know, it's like free things in the city. You know,
Speaker 2: we talk about can you be broken date? Like I
Speaker 2: don't know that seems cool or if you're a family,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just like the idea of having
Speaker 2: free actually good events.
Speaker 3: For yes, and then the city and then there's.
Speaker 1: Something like I think of LA as being a place
Speaker 1: that floods, but New York I always think can handle
Speaker 1: their rain.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. You've seen the videos of the subways kind of.
Speaker 1: Oh the subways, yes, yes, yes, yes, but like a
Speaker 1: parking structure. I guess I've never seen like a flooded
Speaker 1: parking garage. But you know, there's a there's a new
Speaker 1: time for everything.
Speaker 2: Well, they took care. But what's cool too about Lincoln Center.
Speaker 2: You can go underground into the subway. You don't have
Speaker 2: to leave or go outside like you You can go
Speaker 2: right on to the one to the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So that it was my stuff to go down to bed.
Speaker 3: Bath and beyond. What were you getting? Oh, I guess
Speaker 3: everything home stuff. You know.
Speaker 2: Before that was a good store. Wow, there's more variety
Speaker 2: put out. Does Mariska Hart know these lines from Law
Speaker 2: and Order? This was two months ago, so they went
Speaker 2: on a big press thing obviously, and I'm an idiot.
Speaker 2: She gets emotional things. There's so much Marishka content in
Speaker 2: the past two months. What the fuck?
Speaker 3: What is going on? All of these are from two
Speaker 3: months ago. She kind of has like a great publicist.
Speaker 1: I feel like because she's always sort of doing something
Speaker 1: she's doing, like Fashion Awards with Christian Siriano. She's at
Speaker 1: the Glamour Woman of the Year, like even when it's
Speaker 1: not like Season twenty five premiering, even when it's like
Speaker 1: past that or before that, she's just kind of always
Speaker 1: but up at good stuff.
Speaker 2: Wait, you have to cut the video of her going
Speaker 2: woo woo, like.
Speaker 3: You have to off to use.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my god, I'll find that she went the
Speaker 2: sky opened.
Speaker 3: Up and it started raining.
Speaker 2: Okay, I had an SVU moment yesterday. I did videotape
Speaker 2: at all so I might make it into a real
Speaker 2: whatever we'll see because but I had an sv style moment.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Well, so I wanted to get a little drunk last
Speaker 2: night because I'm playing drunk and something I'm filming, and
Speaker 2: I just so I like walked home video and taped
Speaker 2: myself speaking and doing all the lines and like just
Speaker 2: writ like saying my physicality out loud, like what to
Speaker 2: do with my body. I just want to be as
Speaker 2: prepared as possible because we actually to just talk to
Speaker 2: another amazing guest actor and he was so inspiring and
Speaker 2: he said, you have to be so prepared and it
Speaker 2: got me like really amped up, and so then I
Speaker 2: was too drunk and I didn't know where I was.
Speaker 2: I walk home from this comedy club every night, every night,
Speaker 2: every night.
Speaker 3: But I was suddenly in like a street, and I
Speaker 3: was like, you know what, just.
Speaker 2: Get a car, like you have nothing to prove. So
Speaker 2: I'm standing. It is desolate. It's like two in the morning,
Speaker 2: if not later, so it's like no one's out and about.
Speaker 3: I am not even on the curb.
Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of a street, like it's clearly
Speaker 2: I called the car.
Speaker 3: But the car comes in like I think it's a
Speaker 3: power move.
Speaker 2: I do, but he's like twenty he stops twenty feet
Speaker 2: away from me, and so I'm looking at him because
Speaker 2: it's like it's clearly me I'm waiting for a car,
Speaker 2: but he won't move, and so I sigh and just
Speaker 2: start walking towards him. And then he finally like comes
Speaker 2: towards me. And when I get in the car, I
Speaker 2: look at him and I go, damn. In my head,
Speaker 2: I goes, he looks familiar. I go, I feel like
Speaker 2: I've been in this car before. This is weird, but I,
Speaker 2: you know, I just keep it moving. But then for
Speaker 2: the drop off. He plays this game too, where he's
Speaker 2: like halfway down the block from where I am, and
Speaker 2: he goes here and it's like, I see you looking
Speaker 2: at the map.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're an it, you know.
Speaker 2: I go, no, please keep going like and then when
Speaker 2: he stops, he looks back and goes, I'll see you again.
Speaker 2: What And it shivers up my spine. I'll see you again?
Speaker 2: Why would you see me again? So I get out,
Speaker 2: I immediate start videotaping myself and I walked to my bodega,
Speaker 2: but he stays and follows me to the bodega and
Speaker 2: then he's at the red light there. So then I
Speaker 2: go to the bodega and I spend Well, now I'm
Speaker 2: having a great time at the bodega.
Speaker 3: I got some.
Speaker 2: Spring cheese, I got a funion, I got some lollipop.
Speaker 2: You know, I was having like then. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll get snacks. So then I go check out and
Speaker 2: I tell the guy. I go, hey, my uber driver
Speaker 2: just told me I'll see you again.
Speaker 3: I didn't like it. It's creepy, right, and he smiles.
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, maybe he's gonna memorize your address and stalk.
Speaker 3: You and I go, why would you say that, sir? Sir?
Speaker 2: But I go, but that is exactly what I think
Speaker 2: is gonna happen. And I go, so you're the witness,
Speaker 2: I go, remember me, hello, Like you see me right?
Speaker 3: And so he shook hands. We introduced ourselves.
Speaker 2: I go, so if anyone goes missing, And then I
Speaker 2: looked up at the camera. I'm like, we talked, I'm
Speaker 2: in your neighborhood, bro, and he goes, yeah, because we
Speaker 2: also talked.
Speaker 3: About like others, you know, before that. We had a
Speaker 3: little small talk.
Speaker 2: So then I walked home and the car wasn't or anything,
Speaker 2: and maybe I was two SVU.
Speaker 3: But this is again bothered me.
Speaker 1: This is like sounds like the sequel to your joke
Speaker 1: that you have where you're going for the hook up
Speaker 1: and you're getting all the hair and the DNA under
Speaker 1: the fingernails or whatever. This is the sequel you were
Speaker 1: befriending about Dega owners so that he can't be like her.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I saw her the other night.
Speaker 1: You want him to be like, yes, she was scared.
Speaker 1: Check her Uber account. It's this guy. Like I reported it.
Speaker 1: I tipped and rated it fine. But then I said
Speaker 1: inappropriate comment. And I know it's not actually inappropriate, but
Speaker 1: they can reject me ever getting matched with him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I just wrote he said it. It created me out,
Speaker 3: Get me out. It's also just weird. I think you
Speaker 3: could have maybe ignored it.
Speaker 1: If you didn't have the weird daja voo feeling of
Speaker 1: also having been in his car before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'll.
Speaker 1: See you again, might be like, could just be like,
Speaker 1: all right, you know, New York is small.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll pick you up again. I don't know, but
Speaker 3: that is it's just it that made me. I didn't
Speaker 3: want to go into my apartment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kept walking, so I was like, oh, and
Speaker 2: I don't even use my address. I use like a
Speaker 2: business around me too, Like I'm so smart.
Speaker 3: I never thought of that. That's so smart.
Speaker 1: Everybody you should use like the address of like two
Speaker 1: doors down from you or whatever, so that no, if
Speaker 1: you're like alone or like, you know, feel like somebody's Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you can never know when you
Speaker 1: put it into the uber.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. That's smart though.
Speaker 2: So it was so you know, and one of the
Speaker 2: things we always talk about, and a lot a few
Speaker 2: victims of crimes that we've covered talk about like just
Speaker 2: follow your gut instinct, you know, So even if it's nothing,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just didn't like the way said it. Yeah, so great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like and because the the other stuff
Speaker 2: didn't click to me. And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: why why play these power games?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Of dropping me off? Not I'm like, this is a
Speaker 2: annoying or annoying right, just overall annoying whatever in my
Speaker 2: little New York moment. But I couldn't believe I got lost.
Speaker 2: That's truly the easiest walk of all time, so insane.
Speaker 3: But I started looking around. I was like, I truly
Speaker 3: don't even know where I am.
Speaker 2: And then I put on the map and I was like,
Speaker 2: I gotta get out of here. But I also, you know,
Speaker 2: the thing I'm shooting is going to be overnight, so
Speaker 2: I'm also trying to get my schedule shifted, yeah, because
Speaker 2: I'm gonna working all night. Yeah, it's five pm to
Speaker 2: five am. So I tried to go to bed at
Speaker 2: five last night so I could, but then I woke
Speaker 2: up at night.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not helping. We'll see what happened immediately. Yeah, No, I.
Speaker 1: I had a friend who was like trying to train
Speaker 1: her children for jet lag recently for a trip internationally,
Speaker 1: and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, does that work? Why do you train them? Wow?
Speaker 3: Like you start putting them to bed.
Speaker 1: I think a little bit, you know, earlier every night
Speaker 1: or something or later, I don't remember, but it was
Speaker 1: like something she read about to try it to because
Speaker 1: they were traveling from LA to Europe, and like, I
Speaker 1: guess the time difference is wild, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like if you just get kids super tired
Speaker 1: and put them to bed at the regular bedtime, then
Speaker 1: they wake up. I get my kids on East Coast
Speaker 1: time in two minutes, but that is only three hours,
Speaker 1: so who knows.
Speaker 2: Oh, I did feel judge. I did judge a mom recently.
Speaker 2: You can give your professional opinion. So it was like
Speaker 2: a hot ass day. You know, it's been hot here
Speaker 2: like nineties and high eighties, nineties, and this mom had
Speaker 2: this baby out like for hours, you know, nod an umbrella,
Speaker 2: but just.
Speaker 3: Like laying there and the baby was fine.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I don't know, do they have
Speaker 2: to be on this rooftop pool when it's ninety Yeah?
Speaker 2: But then I'm like if you want a baby into
Speaker 2: the water at all, not that I noticed. You just
Speaker 2: splayed out on like arms, arms above head, just splayed
Speaker 2: out onto the thing. And then we were in the
Speaker 2: elevator with her, and I was just like, I don't
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I guess I got it makes.
Speaker 1: Me nervous, Yeah, I guess I don't get that with
Speaker 1: like yeah, and I mean I don't want to get
Speaker 1: into it. But there was there was a bad thing
Speaker 1: that just happened to a baby that was exposed to
Speaker 1: too much heat recently.
Speaker 3: Right, But where was Yeah, I just saw that.
Speaker 1: We're in Arizona. In Arizona, I think, yeah, And it
Speaker 1: was like a little six month old baby.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've brought my babies to pools, but then I bring
Speaker 1: them in the water, like I'm constantly bringing them in
Speaker 1: the wow.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's why I was avoiding all the children in the pool.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I would have noticed this baby.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: But a baby's the best in a pool because they
Speaker 1: just sit there like a little blob. Like I have
Speaker 1: so many pictures of like Rosie's first swim, and she's.
Speaker 3: Like, I haven't had the baby.
Speaker 2: But I remember going to a Palm Springs trip with
Speaker 2: friends with a really small child and I heard someone
Speaker 2: make a rude comment.
Speaker 3: I was like, who the fuck do you think you are?
Speaker 3: They're a good tent.
Speaker 2: And people kept being like, make sure you do this
Speaker 2: and that, and I was like, oh my god, leave
Speaker 2: us alone. They care about that. And now it's like
Speaker 2: the opposite where I was like, put your baby inside,
Speaker 2: just get her bed, get it.
Speaker 3: Splash a little water on the poor thing. Yeah, we're
Speaker 3: hoping for it.
Speaker 2: But what's the age, Like, what's the age you can
Speaker 2: heat up these babies?
Speaker 3: Oh? I mean you can bring a baby in the water, like,
Speaker 3: I don't really know.
Speaker 1: Probably after the little Oh god, someone's gonna call me
Speaker 1: and tell me that.
Speaker 2: I'm well, maybe they. I'm just curious. When can you
Speaker 2: judge and when you can you not?
Speaker 1: I know for sure, I put Oscar in a pool
Speaker 1: when he was like three months old, so I don't
Speaker 1: really know. I don't really know if before then maybe,
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's also like vaccines that don't happen
Speaker 1: until like three or four months.
Speaker 3: But I think that the pool is fine. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think you can put your breath on either. I
Speaker 2: felt rude. I was like, fucked, don't mom, shame, don't
Speaker 2: mom shame. I'm like, you don't know, she needs a break.
Speaker 2: This is her only time that it's been hot all week.
Speaker 2: But then I was like, that baby's just cooking on that.
Speaker 2: It's that bed, like because I got I got burnt
Speaker 2: that day. So it's like I don't know. Yeah, but like.
Speaker 1: I'm actually picking up both of my kids early from
Speaker 1: camp tomorrow to take them to DragCon. But I haven't
Speaker 1: like told either of their camps that that's what they're doing.
Speaker 3: But Oscar won't stop talking about it. He's so excited.
Speaker 1: So I know he's gonna tell his like uppuy Montessori school,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to drag Con and they're gonna be like, what,
Speaker 1: like wame out early?
Speaker 2: Does he remember drag Con like from last year? Or
Speaker 2: he's like, oh he does. He was mesmerized by the Teletubbies.
Speaker 1: Do you remember there's a photo of me and you
Speaker 1: and my kids and my friend Brent with the Teletubbies
Speaker 1: and Oscar is staring across at the Teletubbies like he's
Speaker 1: in a trance. I don't know if they're gonna be back.
Speaker 1: But also Pickle the drag Queen, he's very excited to
Speaker 1: see her. He saw her read at a library event,
Speaker 1: and so he's excited to see Pickle. Like this morning,
Speaker 1: I it was my morning to sleep in. And I
Speaker 1: heard him saying to his dad like.
Speaker 3: Is tonight is today? Draggon? Like he's really excited. What's
Speaker 3: he gonna wear? Oh? You gotter?
Speaker 1: Put him and maybe I put them in a little
Speaker 1: tank top, you know, put them in a little tank
Speaker 1: put Rosy.
Speaker 3: In a little sparkle. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I did the craziest thing last year where food's already expensive,
Speaker 2: and then for some reason, I got a lobster caesadilla.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, did I just spend forty
Speaker 2: two dollars on that? I was like, the craziest thing
Speaker 2: I've ever done. I made a one the.
Speaker 1: Trucks that dragon con are so expensive. And then you
Speaker 1: were like, how can I make this more luxury? Like
Speaker 1: it was so funny.
Speaker 3: I was like I don't even need this, Like why
Speaker 3: am I doing this? I love just melted cheese.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, But I have no idea honestly, Like
Speaker 1: I know, I know Shay's gonna be there. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to grab Shy on her way out, but I
Speaker 1: don't know who else is going to be there, so
Speaker 1: we'll see. But I'm excited for by the time this
Speaker 1: episode comes out, of course, Dragon will be long gone,
Speaker 1: but time machine style, I'm excited for drag Con.
Speaker 2: When I was in second grade, my sister and her
Speaker 2: husband they were already dating, and they took me out
Speaker 2: of school to go ice skating, and I told the teacher.
Speaker 2: When I came back the next day, she's like, are
Speaker 2: you feeling better? And I went, I feel great. We
Speaker 2: went ice skating, and she was pissed.
Speaker 1: I mean back when we were younger, I feel like
Speaker 1: you were never allowed to do these like hooky days,
Speaker 1: and now they call it like, oh, a mental health
Speaker 1: day or whatever, like she's been feeling bummed about something
Speaker 1: that happened, like we're gonna take her ice skating, and
Speaker 1: like those schools doesn't don't care.
Speaker 3: I had a babysitter who let me do that.
Speaker 1: When I was like in third grade, a babysitter conspired
Speaker 1: to get me out of school and was like, we'll
Speaker 1: play hooky and she called the school and I remember
Speaker 1: being in music class and being like, carry you have
Speaker 1: to go to the front office, and I was like
Speaker 1: it's happening, Like I felt like I was getting jail broken,
Speaker 1: like it was insane. And then she like took me
Speaker 1: for a day. It was like pretty magical. I think
Speaker 1: she was a bad babysitter, though I think my mom
Speaker 1: ended up firing her, but I was pretty obsessed. She
Speaker 1: never did it with my brother or sister.
Speaker 3: It was like just me, Yeah, you gotta miss school.
Speaker 2: You gotta teach kids how Yeah, Casey, that's my big
Speaker 2: parenting advice.
Speaker 3: Let them miss school, take them ice skating.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean famously, I'm letting Rosie starts school three
Speaker 1: two weeks late.
Speaker 3: I still remember that day.
Speaker 2: It obviously was monument I remember what I was wearing
Speaker 2: two ice skating and this is outdated, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: my sister meant well. But I was wearing a shirt
Speaker 2: that says love see no color, and it was like
Speaker 2: flack and white.
Speaker 3: Get that girl on the ring, and I wore a
Speaker 3: little glove. I mean, it was like so magical, and
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: That was thirty years ago, so I'm seriously worth like
Speaker 2: taking your kids out once in a while.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So a group of our friends they went to a
Speaker 2: six Flags. I was not invited. I'm pissed. I love
Speaker 2: a love coaster. But all the rest of the girls
Speaker 2: came prepared. And of course our friend who crazy glue
Speaker 2: vampire teeth to her real teeth, she wore a wig.
Speaker 3: She wore a fucking wig to six grags. Man. She
Speaker 3: set me the.
Speaker 2: Photo, and the photo is everyone smiling, laughing on a
Speaker 2: roller coaster, and she is holding her wig down with
Speaker 2: all her might ride two rollercoasters.
Speaker 1: Sucked my phone out of my pocket. Your wig does
Speaker 1: not stand a chance. Are you kidding me? Like?
Speaker 3: Are you joking? Wait? You know what's funny? Back to
Speaker 3: being taken out of school.
Speaker 1: Another thing I was taken out of school for by
Speaker 1: my Republican father was the ticker Tape parade. After Operation
Speaker 1: Desert Storm ended and they and the heroes came home
Speaker 1: and they did a parade in New York City. And
Speaker 1: this circles back to this circles back to child abuse
Speaker 1: via heat. It was like one hundred degrees in New
Speaker 1: York City, papers falling from the sky. My dad did
Speaker 1: not bring water for us. I thought it was gonna faint.
Speaker 1: Like we were dying. The police set up a little
Speaker 1: like barricade for us and like covered it with like
Speaker 1: a sheet or like paper or something, and we've got
Speaker 1: to sit under there so we could cool down watching
Speaker 1: this parade.
Speaker 2: So the authorities realize, oh, these children need help.
Speaker 1: Yes, they were like this wild Republican man only gives
Speaker 1: a shit about these heroes and not about his own children.
Speaker 1: And we literally because I thought I was gonna throw up,
Speaker 1: Like it's New York, it's a parade. Everything's like streets
Speaker 1: are shut down. He like couldn't get us water. I
Speaker 1: was dying. But then at the beginning, I was so
Speaker 1: excited to get out of school until my dad almost
Speaker 1: gave me heat stroke for you know, war glorifications. So
Speaker 1: you know, that's life, all right. We gotta get started.
Speaker 1: Casey gave us the twenty minute a while ago, but
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Speaker 3: But let's get started. A great episode coming up.
Speaker 2: Okay, we are taking it back baby, Season two, episode nineteen.
Speaker 2: This came out April two thousand and one, pre nine
Speaker 2: to eleven.
Speaker 1: If you were wondering, we love We love to place
Speaker 1: every episode in time visa the nine to eleven, and
Speaker 1: I do like it. This is a fave of mine
Speaker 1: and I love this episode. I wanted to do it
Speaker 1: for a long time.
Speaker 3: I love this episode.
Speaker 2: Twists and turns and just so many bad people.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll just get into it, and then you know,
Speaker 2: Parasite's so cool. But the movie Parasite also very good. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: so I think about it all the time. Actually, okay,
Speaker 2: I will begin.
Speaker 3: There is.
Speaker 2: There's a man he's digging a hole and another man
Speaker 2: is like, why are you digging so deep? It's an
Speaker 2: above ground jacuzzi, And another dude is rolling a wheelbarrow
Speaker 2: towards the hole and he's like, we need a good foundation,
Speaker 2: mister Sawyer, And this mister Sawyer is just harping.
Speaker 3: I don't like this.
Speaker 2: Don't hit a gas mate, you know, not a fucking customer.
Speaker 2: You want just like overbearing and annoying. It's like people
Speaker 2: are professionals. Let them do their fucking job. So the
Speaker 2: wheelbarrow guy is like, listen, we know what's up, exactly
Speaker 2: what I just said, you know, relax, But he won't stop.
Speaker 2: He's like, you better dig out these weeds too, or
Speaker 2: they're gonna break through the concrete and it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a mess. And he goes these old owners. They left
Speaker 2: everything a mess. The worker's like, yeah, yeah, we'll clean it,
Speaker 2: no extra charge. And the man walks away and the
Speaker 2: guy in the hole is like, wow, wait, aren't those
Speaker 2: hydranger bushes? And the guy's like yeah, that's well, we'll
Speaker 2: do it for free. We're gonna make so much money
Speaker 2: off these bushes. Do you know about this hydranger market?
Speaker 3: I'm googling it right now.
Speaker 1: I didn't know hydra like I love hydrangeas, they're my favorite.
Speaker 1: I know that they're very popular on like Cape Cod
Speaker 1: and stuff. I always think of hydrangeas like the hampt it,
Speaker 1: like you know, like I do think it is kind
Speaker 1: of like an upscale flower bush to have, But I
Speaker 1: didn't realize it would be like there's a black market
Speaker 1: for it where these gardeners are going to like go
Speaker 1: sell it and.
Speaker 3: Make a profit, but so weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy knows that someone in hack and Sack,
Speaker 1: he's got a hydranger guy in Hackensack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so but uh uh, forking the plan. There's a
Speaker 2: skull in the hole. So it turns right into a
Speaker 2: crime scene Benson and Stabler and the guy now is
Speaker 2: bitching like what the fuck I paid an inspector inside out,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sue this. I'm gonna sue that. You're all witnesses.
Speaker 2: And Benson goes, please leave, like get the fuck out
Speaker 2: of here, and the wife goes.
Speaker 3: This is our new home.
Speaker 2: And the man now is calming her down and it's
Speaker 2: like you, you know you were, You're causing the stress her.
Speaker 2: So then the science cop is on the scene and
Speaker 2: it's Lance Reddick assistant Emmy Taylor. Oh, such a talent, yes,
Speaker 2: and he thinks from the skull it's a white person
Speaker 2: under thirty female, no obvious cause of death, but he's
Speaker 2: gonna work on it. Then Stabler's like, okay, bro, but like,
Speaker 2: how do we get sexual abuse from a bunch of bones?
Speaker 2: They say bones so many times in such funny ways.
Speaker 2: Here it's like it's a it's a campy like comedy, honestly.
Speaker 2: He tells them to go to the evidence trey and
Speaker 2: they walk on over and there's a studded collar and
Speaker 2: a leash that was also buried with the woman, and
Speaker 2: Stablers says, I guess she was somebody's pet. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Season two was a lot of puns. That leads us
Speaker 2: right into the credits and we're back at the crime scene.
Speaker 2: In Benson's talking to a man neighbor. He says, the
Speaker 2: previous owners put in the hydranges, the Stanton's Brad and Abby,
Speaker 2: and they fought all the goddamn time, from the moment
Speaker 2: they moved in until they moved out. Abby moved out
Speaker 2: around four years ago, and he's like, it was loud,
Speaker 2: but I never saw violence. And even though they were
Speaker 2: broken up, she would swing by after a year and
Speaker 2: she would pound on the door and he would give
Speaker 2: her cash around like three am. But one night he
Speaker 2: didn't answer and she started screaming, I'm going to report
Speaker 2: you to the medical board for fucking your patients. He's
Speaker 2: a surgeon. Oh my god, we didn't even talk about
Speaker 2: your mom.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, retired retired baby Yeah, I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: I know she's not gonna really I mean, she's gonna
Speaker 1: like keep doing like projects for a while, but she's
Speaker 1: not seeing patients anymore.
Speaker 3: And it's like really crazy.
Speaker 1: But we're having a little party for her when we
Speaker 1: go back in August, to a little just like small
Speaker 1: family party to be like congrats.
Speaker 3: You know, what are projects that doctors do?
Speaker 1: Like my mom's always like changing their emerging their electronic
Speaker 1: medical records like server like whoever's like doing their medical
Speaker 1: records and stuff like that. And I don't know, she's
Speaker 1: got other shit going on, I think there. But she
Speaker 1: used to have like she had like a pretty she
Speaker 1: had like ideas where she wanted to like do sort
Speaker 1: of like freelance counseling for eating disorders. She's like very
Speaker 1: interested in that, and so she might do go into
Speaker 1: something like that, you know, maybe like going to schools
Speaker 1: or helping or like helping other doctors that don't specialize
Speaker 1: in that.
Speaker 3: You know. Wow, passionate, but good photos. It was fun
Speaker 3: seeing her young. Yeah, different phases too, Yeah. And funny outfits.
Speaker 3: How about her smoking a cigarette with the kitten? Me
Speaker 3: and my outfit?
Speaker 2: Your outfit was honestly, it's it's another big it's a
Speaker 2: big business reference.
Speaker 1: It's a big business outfit. And I wrote a response
Speaker 1: to our friend in the comments. But that was also
Speaker 1: one of my flying outfits. We had to like dress
Speaker 1: up for flights, so that I recall that being one
Speaker 1: of my flying outfits. It's like I'm gonna put on
Speaker 1: this fancy shirts, get on the plane. So fucking funny,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: So this guy's a surgeon and he says that one time,
Speaker 2: you know, the doors burst open and that Abby got
Speaker 2: the crap beaten out of her, and Stabler's like, you
Speaker 2: just said that there was no violence, and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: Brad didn't hit her, Pam hit her, the new wife
Speaker 2: threw punches, and he never saw Abby again. So we're
Speaker 2: at work and bells are is showing Craigan photos of
Speaker 2: the gold found with the bones as well, and Benson
Speaker 2: runs on in and reports that she has been buried
Speaker 2: they believe three years, and Stablers fills them in on
Speaker 2: Brad and Abby, and Craigan is like, oh, go talk
Speaker 2: to Brad and his new wife and also go check
Speaker 2: in on Abby and find her, you know, one if
Speaker 2: the bones are her. So they go talk to a
Speaker 2: lady that seems like she owns a lot of units,
Speaker 2: and they ask her if any of her tenants went
Speaker 2: missing late ninety seven to early ninety nine.
Speaker 3: She goes, yeah, they.
Speaker 2: Go missing when they forget to pay their rent for
Speaker 2: three months. And it's like, okay, they want the list
Speaker 2: of all those people and the rental applications, and she's
Speaker 2: being super sarcastic. She goes, Oh, yeah, we have an
Speaker 2: intense screening process because you know, so many high class
Speaker 2: people are desperate to move here. So it's like, I
Speaker 2: love her. A corkboard is filled with tons of papers.
Speaker 2: Bellser wants files. She'll be and.
Speaker 1: Really quickly like where are we in New York where
Speaker 1: these people are buying a house? But then right behind
Speaker 1: them is like a full apartment building that overlooks the backyard.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like what area like houses are usually like in Queens
Speaker 1: or like party.
Speaker 2: I think this is Queens. Oh you think, oh this
Speaker 2: is but their Manhattan SVU. I guess maybe Shellse. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think we're like big apartments that no one
Speaker 2: want to like and.
Speaker 1: Then like a house with a yard, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was confused about the low.
Speaker 3: I doesn't have houses.
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, yeah, whatever, It's just like it was
Speaker 1: just I was just wondering about it.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, maybe it's way uptown. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it could be a super uptown.
Speaker 3: That's true too, mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't go there enough, so that might
Speaker 2: be the place, because I can't see anywhere that I
Speaker 2: would like that I know. So she opens a messy
Speaker 2: drawer and says, have at it, and it's a mess.
Speaker 2: So now we jump from Munch and Finn to Benson
Speaker 2: and Stabler, who's talking to Pam the new wife. She's like, ah,
Speaker 2: Brad was married to that blood sucking leech for five years.
Speaker 2: And they're like, okay, but why did you attack her?
Speaker 2: And she turns around giving a ton of sass. She
Speaker 2: accused Brad of sleeping with his patients. She then calls
Speaker 2: her a bottom feeding, mainlining junkie. Then she gives some
Speaker 2: scoop that they were actually friends and went to nursing
Speaker 2: school together, and Sailor's like, okay, well when they split
Speaker 2: and she goes ninety seven done done. He said that
Speaker 2: her husband was super generous with her, but three years
Speaker 2: ago she put her foot down to cut her off,
Speaker 2: and she hasn't heard from her since. And then she
Speaker 2: finally asks, Okay, what's going on with her? What trouble
Speaker 2: is she in now? And Benson says, a woman's remains
Speaker 2: were found buried under the hydrate just behind your former brownstone.
Speaker 2: She looks down and says, oh my god. They let
Speaker 2: her know the remains have been there for three years.
Speaker 2: Quiet tention. So then they ask where Brad is right now,
Speaker 2: and she's like, he's working at the hospital and he's
Speaker 2: super busy, and Brad couldn't kill anybody, not even that
Speaker 2: horrible bitch.
Speaker 1: I love like on this show, people are always willing
Speaker 1: to still call someone a bitch when she could be.
Speaker 3: A dead body that was just found in your backyard.
Speaker 2: They go talk to him outside the hospital. He's like,
Speaker 2: I didn't kill her. She was killing herself with her habit.
Speaker 2: They're like, okay, but then you married her and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: well I loved her and back then it was just
Speaker 2: asked for anxiety, but then she started stealing other pills
Speaker 2: and then you know, the hospital fired her. They're like, damn,
Speaker 2: that must have been embarrassing. He's like, no, for sure,
Speaker 2: and I felt powerful a powerless. He goes, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 2: he was powerlessness what. I can't talk about it anymore.
Speaker 2: But he's not happy about it and he couldn't help her.
Speaker 3: So he was.
Speaker 2: And if you were wondering who this man is, he
Speaker 2: was Carrie Bradshaw's editor at the newspaper. So I don't
Speaker 2: know if you remember the episode where like she doesn't
Speaker 2: have anything to write and she's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: do I write about socks?
Speaker 3: I have nothing to write. My editor keeps calling me.
Speaker 3: He's like mad at me.
Speaker 2: And then Charlotte and Carrie as sitting at a table
Speaker 2: and the guy that walks by, they say if they
Speaker 2: want to fuck him or not?
Speaker 3: Do you remember this? And then yeah, this guy works. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this guy like works a ton.
Speaker 1: He's like, I think he's actually been on a bunch
Speaker 1: of svus as well.
Speaker 3: He's been on three svus.
Speaker 2: Matt cerveto Yeah yeah, because then he and then Charlotte goes, eh,
Speaker 2: I would never fuck that man, and it's the editor
Speaker 2: going Carrie, Hello. That's when he tells her that she's
Speaker 2: gonna have a book deal. So that's him, you know. Obviously,
Speaker 2: if there's a sex in the city face. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: talk about it. Yeah, yeah, but he has to run
Speaker 2: and he doesn't give any info and they taunt him,
Speaker 2: and then his wife comes out too, and he's like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck get lost you guys. She snaps and goes,
Speaker 2: stop wasting our time, runs off. He then gives them
Speaker 2: a piece of paper and says, please don't tell Pam.
Speaker 2: So they go to Mercy Aid's Hospice and it's a
Speaker 2: woman laying tube, tubed up fully and it's abby. She
Speaker 2: has AIDS related dementia and yeah, and he pays the
Speaker 2: bills and he keeps the roses fresh, always fresh roses.
Speaker 2: He dropped her off and she has not had a
Speaker 2: visitor since. It's really sad.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: The lady stands in front of the fresh roses and
Speaker 2: then behind her is a machine and it looks so
Speaker 2: old timey. It looks like the tiniest little delta screen
Speaker 2: I've ever seen in my life, and it looks like
Speaker 2: an eighties weird science machine. It is two thousand and one,
Speaker 2: like the machines shouldn't look like that. But she's like,
Speaker 2: it's sad, you know, she doesn't have much time left.
Speaker 2: So they pieced out and They're like, well, now what
Speaker 2: and Stabler says, back to the bones. So we're back
Speaker 2: with Emmy Lance Reddick and he says, so strangulation and
Speaker 2: pressure freight fractures to the neck. Benson goes, oh, so
Speaker 2: senam and he goes, well, I doubt it because her
Speaker 2: right hand is broken as well. She was five four,
Speaker 2: and he thinks Eastern European and Benson's flabbergasted.
Speaker 3: You got all that from the bones?
Speaker 1: Is just like when they came up with the idea
Speaker 1: of the TV show Bones, like probably this episode. They
Speaker 1: were like, what if there was a show where it
Speaker 1: was just bones, you know?
Speaker 3: Okay? So then the teeth.
Speaker 2: So he found traces of arsenic in the teeth and
Speaker 2: that is what back in the day old Russian dental
Speaker 2: practice to kill a nerve, and it spread through the
Speaker 2: Eastern block. So Staylor goes, well, this is great, we
Speaker 2: have the dental records or they could be in the
Speaker 2: former Soviet Union. But they go to another man and
Speaker 2: he has an eighties style computer as well. He's a
Speaker 2: forensic anthropologist, and he entered the dimensions of the skull
Speaker 2: and some other information into the New York Police Department
Speaker 2: forensic system. Dimensional imaging program and it says that she's
Speaker 2: around thirty and they're layering these pieces and a face appears,
Speaker 2: and he says it's a reasonable approximation. So they print
Speaker 2: it out and Craigan's looking at the picture and goes, okay,
Speaker 2: so behind the iron curtain kind of broad and you know,
Speaker 2: he like fucking loves Brighton beach ladies. He loves the rush,
Speaker 2: he sure does. He loves Russian sex workers, whether you
Speaker 2: guys want to admit it or not. But he's like, okay,
Speaker 2: So we narrowed it down to a couple hundred thousand,
Speaker 2: and munch Infen are going through ten of information from
Speaker 2: the building company, but again not really good notes so
Speaker 2: much so far as found sixteen and counting names that
Speaker 2: sound Eastern Bloc like, and Cragan's like, track them all down,
Speaker 2: let's get to work. Let's go. So it's phone call time.
Speaker 2: It's a montage, lots of hang ups. Everyone hates cops,
Speaker 2: people don't speak English, they're scared of deportation. But pool
Speaker 2: together there's like a dozen or so unaccounted people. So
Speaker 2: they're going to cross reference these people with missing persons,
Speaker 2: see and see what goes down. Manila folders everywhere, and
Speaker 2: I mean I when my mom would bring a Manila
Speaker 2: folder home from work, I would fucking lose it. I
Speaker 2: was so excited. I would go down and play office
Speaker 2: in a heartbeat, like I just I.
Speaker 3: Need to have the paper in here. Yeah, let me
Speaker 3: get my files together.
Speaker 2: So they if they found a picture that's pretty damn
Speaker 2: close to the fake face we have, and the name
Speaker 2: is Eva Perulis, or they say Ava, but that's like
Speaker 2: a weirder name for me to say. I don't like
Speaker 2: yeahct I've never Yeah, Ava is not really that must
Speaker 2: be like the Romanian translation or pronunciation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I'll do it.
Speaker 2: So it's Ava Perulis and she was reported missing April
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. She rented an apartment behind the crime scene.
Speaker 2: Hello in February nineteen ninety eight and gone by that
Speaker 2: April and there's a young sassy Brooklyn go tea man
Speaker 2: and they're like, it's kind of he's like Stucky before Stucky.
Speaker 2: He has an attitude and accident. He's like, well, the
Speaker 2: case sid and go far And basically the detective who
Speaker 2: had the case retired to Arizona last year. And to me,
Speaker 2: I'm like we're his retirement plans in the file, like
Speaker 2: how do you look to know what the stude's up to.
Speaker 2: So then we have to find out who reported her missing.
Speaker 2: It's a guy in Queen's George Burton, and so they
Speaker 2: had to rego park and it's a kid in the
Speaker 2: front of a really nice house and she's like, I
Speaker 2: don't talk to strangers. Get lost and they go work ops.
Speaker 2: She goes, show me your badges and they get a
Speaker 2: kick out of her. They love how smart she is
Speaker 2: and they give her a lot of positive affirmations and
Speaker 2: I like, paused to write stuff down and the detectives
Speaker 2: did look like a still from a nineties Christmas movie.
Speaker 2: They were smiling at her light fault where I don't know,
Speaker 2: it just they're both so attractive. It just really was
Speaker 2: such a Christmas movie moment to me. So then out
Speaker 2: comes a man and it's the child's dad and he
Speaker 2: sends Julia the child inside. They say hey, and he's like,
Speaker 2: oh no, what Benson says, you reported your sister in law,
Speaker 2: Ava Perula is missing, and he's like, damn, you found her.
Speaker 2: And they give the guy the pick and says, we
Speaker 2: might have and he's confused and is like, huh, I
Speaker 2: actually gave this picture to the police. What happened to her?
Speaker 2: And in runs a woman that looks just like Ava. Hello,
Speaker 2: we have twins done done. But they're stunned and like
Speaker 2: she's an alien, like they have never seen a twin
Speaker 2: in their fucking life. And so now we're inside and
Speaker 2: she gives the rundown and her twin and.
Speaker 1: And I just say really quickly too. This woman that
Speaker 1: plays her is named Millie Avatall, who is actually a
Speaker 1: Israeli actress, and she's in the pilot of SVU.
Speaker 3: She's in pay Back.
Speaker 1: She is the woman who chops off the guy from
Speaker 1: but like Bosnia or whatever, like you know, there's like
Speaker 1: a Bosnia hate crime thing that happens and they chop
Speaker 1: off the cap driver stick. Then they have her back
Speaker 1: the next season to play these twins in a pretty
Speaker 1: big episode. Then she doesn't come back till season fourteen.
Speaker 1: She's in Manhattan Vigil. We covered that episode. She's the
Speaker 1: mom oh my god, Hamish link later when the little
Speaker 1: boy goes missing and they're like divorced, it's like, how
Speaker 1: would you do that?
Speaker 3: They're fighting all the.
Speaker 1: Time, and then she's in Depravity Standard, which is the
Speaker 1: second episode of that. Yeah what the fuck? Yeah cool? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we try to get her. She would not respond.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to her about playing twins. I mean,
Speaker 1: not that she.
Speaker 2: Really had to play, but yeah, yeah, I was in
Speaker 2: parent trap hyjinks, you know, yeah, one of.
Speaker 3: They must love her for season one and season.
Speaker 2: Two it's like, but yeah, the detectives are stunned, and
Speaker 2: so now you know, we're inside and she's given the rundown,
Speaker 2: so her twin in her. They came to the US
Speaker 2: five years ago from Romania. She starts to cry and
Speaker 2: the husband holds her hand. She continues that she was
Speaker 2: older by six minutes and always bossing her around, and
Speaker 2: Benson is at this moment she's in a pixie grow
Speaker 2: out phase, but it's also like straightened peace highlights very
Speaker 2: of this era. And she says, well, who could have
Speaker 2: killed your sister?
Speaker 3: Anyone?
Speaker 2: And she goes, no, no one want to, like, I
Speaker 2: cleant think of anyone that would want to kill my sister.
Speaker 2: And then Stabler wants to connect, so he brings up
Speaker 2: his twins and says, you know, my twins are inseparable.
Speaker 2: You must have been close, and then the husband interjects,
Speaker 2: and he goes, Ava and my wife couldn't have been
Speaker 2: more different, and that Ava was wild and played by
Speaker 2: her own rules. And then the girly cuts in and says, listen,
Speaker 2: she went from one rich man to the next until
Speaker 2: she finally met the wrong one, and she gets really
Speaker 2: upset and runs off. And then mister Burton calls for
Speaker 2: his wife, you know, like Irena, so they have time
Speaker 2: with him. He says, they went through hell getting here,
Speaker 2: orphanage's abuse, so when they finally came here, all they
Speaker 2: had was each other. But they did have a falling out.
Speaker 2: Ava said she could never settle for a life like
Speaker 2: this and Irena said stop dreaming and grow up. And
Speaker 2: that was that, and they never saw each other again.
Speaker 2: It seems like kind of a chow fight to never
Speaker 2: speak again. And that was a little longer than three
Speaker 2: years ago, right, like, yeah, I don't want to live
Speaker 2: in the suburbs and have a family. Well, you gotta
Speaker 2: grow up. I'm never speaking to you again forever. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So she was supposed to show up to their daughter's
Speaker 2: first birthday party and Ava was supposed to be there,
Speaker 2: and that was IRENA's last straw and she's like, fuck
Speaker 2: this bitch. So Stabler asks what made him think that
Speaker 2: she was missing, and he's like, well, when she went
Speaker 2: to go patch things up, her apartment was fully empty
Speaker 2: and Ava was gone. Irena says she must have run
Speaker 2: off with another man, but he had a bad fear
Speaker 2: and so he did call the police. And he only
Speaker 2: knows the name of one of her old boyfriend's, Matt.
Speaker 2: So they go visit Matt Sloan and he is, you know,
Speaker 2: owns his own business. They had to Sloan Importers, and
Speaker 2: he's a douche. So he's standing face to face with Benson,
Speaker 2: trying to intimidate her with his gross grin, and he
Speaker 2: says she was sexy and adventurous. And they ask if they,
Speaker 2: you know, did some s and m bond Ande caking stuff.
Speaker 2: He says that he's not really into that, but they
Speaker 2: were only together for four months. Benson asks if he
Speaker 2: loved her, and he says it was a business arrangement.
Speaker 2: She was smart and charming and multi lingual, and you know,
Speaker 2: she helped me develop business contacts in Eastern Europe and
Speaker 2: the sex was great. And they asked what she got
Speaker 2: in return, and he says expensive jewelry. Only jewelry, full tantrum,
Speaker 2: Like he said, if it wasn't jewels, she would flip
Speaker 2: out and want him.
Speaker 3: She threw a one thousand dollars bottle of perfume in
Speaker 3: his face. What's this perfew? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And after that, I just I want to like jewelry
Speaker 2: that much, and so apa and after that he ended it.
Speaker 3: So they're like, well, did you ever see her again?
Speaker 2: And he goes, yes, at the reception of some un
Speaker 2: event and she left with a Romanian deputy chief of mission.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So back at the office, Craigan is shocked. He goes,
Speaker 2: oh my god, diplomats are involved. Who is this woman?
Speaker 2: He was also, you know, an importer, and so she's
Speaker 2: definitely a player. So then Finn and Munch run in
Speaker 2: fast with some news. They check Sloan's records and he
Speaker 2: got picked up during an undercover weisting one count of
Speaker 2: soliciting prostitution and he was found with like a dog
Speaker 2: collar and everything.
Speaker 3: So liar alert, liar alert.
Speaker 2: Okay, but his passport shows he was out of the
Speaker 2: country when Ava was reported missing, so that's a bust.
Speaker 2: Craigan goes, Okay, let's see how ava got into the country,
Speaker 2: and then also, let's check with her former landlady if
Speaker 2: she has anything more to tell us. Craigan then tells
Speaker 2: Benson and Stabler to go talk to the diplomat and yes,
Speaker 2: diplomats have immunity from a but not from talking. So
Speaker 2: let's play nice and maybe we'll get some scoop. This
Speaker 2: motherfucker has thick ass glasses in an accent. He does
Speaker 2: kind of resemble my friend's dad, and that's upsetting for
Speaker 2: everyone involved. So he said that she would, well, all
Speaker 2: this guy's just as glasses are so thick, and so
Speaker 2: are my friend's dad, Like just such thick glasses where
Speaker 2: your eyeballs look so giant.
Speaker 3: It's so so you know, coke bottles. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: He said that she was a mix of greed and innocence,
Speaker 2: which is common for girls from the countryside. He says
Speaker 2: they were not romantically involved, and he giggles at the idea.
Speaker 2: He just needed like a side woman at events who
Speaker 2: can speak the language, and she was down and you know,
Speaker 2: she got to meet really important men at these parties.
Speaker 2: Stabler blurts out any of them wanted her dead? And
Speaker 2: he's like, no, I doubt that then he changes the
Speaker 2: subject and starts talking about the orchids in his office,
Speaker 2: and you know, you're a whole speech.
Speaker 3: Him and the mushroom man should get together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the orchid took years of cultivation, and he says
Speaker 2: it's a hybrid I developed. Benson goes, yeah, beautiful. He
Speaker 2: then says, do you know the orchid is also a parasite.
Speaker 2: It devours the host plant while it blooms magnificently, and
Speaker 2: Saybler's like, are you calling her a parasite? He goes,
Speaker 2: oh no, wait, no, no, no, we had a very mutually
Speaker 2: beneficial relationship. And then they asked the big question, how
Speaker 2: did she get into the country And he's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know. You know, our agency does deals with thousands
Speaker 2: upon thousands of applications, like there's no way to tell
Speaker 2: how people came, Like we never really chatted about it.
Speaker 2: So we get munch right now and he's in a
Speaker 2: hasidic hat and fins in a leather jacket. So classic,
Speaker 2: we're back with the sassy landlady and she's run down.
Speaker 3: She's too busy for this.
Speaker 2: She says, Avo walked around here like she was the
Speaker 2: Zorina of thirteenth street, and should I name my special
Speaker 2: that hold on.
Speaker 1: This arena of thirteenth Street is a great idea.
Speaker 2: So she takes them to the apartment and goes this
Speaker 2: was hers. She knocks and calls out for mister Sanchez,
Speaker 2: but then lets herself look into the old apartment. She
Speaker 2: said she had one regular visitor. He was always dressed
Speaker 2: to kill a sugar daddy, and he would park his
Speaker 2: Mercedes by the fire hydrant every time, and he looked important.
Speaker 2: But specifics don't concern her, and they want more info,
Speaker 2: and she's like, listen, the apartment came furnished.
Speaker 3: She showed up in one suitcase.
Speaker 2: She was two months behind in rent, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, she goes, wait, since she was dead,
Speaker 2: shouldn't the city reimburse me for that?
Speaker 3: It's like, you fucking bitch. I hate these I hate
Speaker 3: these money grubbing horrors.
Speaker 2: This happens like in the meat episode. You know, they
Speaker 2: want the cell phone, Like, I hate these people that want.
Speaker 3: Shut off dead people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Finn tell that that's just the category of
Speaker 2: people I don't like. But Finn tells her to call
Speaker 2: her council person, and then they go to the window.
Speaker 2: They go wow room with a view, and then Finn
Speaker 2: says of her own grave. So across the way from
Speaker 2: this apartment is a view of that yard. So now
Speaker 2: it's a coffee break sex in the city style, like
Speaker 2: they really are outside, just coffee cups near a statue.
Speaker 2: They're mingling, they're working, and Munch finds out that she
Speaker 2: came here in nineteen ninety six on a finance finance
Speaker 2: fiance visa. You know, I always say I'm the Liah
Speaker 2: Michelle of this podcast, and it is really really coming
Speaker 2: through right now. So as a fiance visa, and she
Speaker 2: married a man named Paul Amiss whatever I don't, I
Speaker 2: fucking hate him.
Speaker 3: You'll know why.
Speaker 2: So the addresses on Long Island and they go out there.
Speaker 2: So they met on euro Match, which is a male
Speaker 2: order bride situation. Munch says, you know, I should have
Speaker 2: tried that instead of love, because then I could pay
Speaker 2: much less, you know, out of my paycheck for alimony.
Speaker 1: Which is probably literally seventy five percent of his check.
Speaker 1: By how much how many X is munchaz.
Speaker 3: He's spends no money.
Speaker 2: The rest is just like his bar fund that he
Speaker 2: wants to open his money just in case he needs
Speaker 2: to bail some out of prison, and he buys these
Speaker 2: Goren hats, you know what I mean, And that's that.
Speaker 2: So Munch and Finn and they go to the they
Speaker 2: go to the matchmaker and Stabler is gonna go take
Speaker 2: the groom. So there's this angry man at a pool
Speaker 2: table the groom. He goes, yeah, I spent fifty k
Speaker 2: to bring her here. She'd be making fifty dollars a
Speaker 2: month where she comes from. And Benson interps and goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: all she had to do is clean, cook, and have
Speaker 2: sex on demand. He goes, yeah, that's what being a
Speaker 2: wife is. And so then he says he returned her
Speaker 2: after the ninety day trial period. And he has a ponytail,
Speaker 2: there's a goatee, there's a chain, there's a shirt, it's
Speaker 2: very unbuttoned, and he's standing in front of a wall
Speaker 2: of pool cues. And so he says that they got
Speaker 2: the marriage annulled and he got his money back, and
Speaker 2: he goes, now, this is my wife.
Speaker 3: And in walks a quiet woman named Meiling.
Speaker 2: She's very young, and she offers right away to get
Speaker 2: them something to drink, and they're like, no, we're not staying.
Speaker 3: He kisses this person, you know, his wife's forehead.
Speaker 2: You know, I got I want to get her out
Speaker 2: of there, and he sends her off back into the
Speaker 2: kitchen and Stabler finally goes, what made your return, Ava,
Speaker 2: And he says, because I didn't pay all that money
Speaker 2: for her run around with some dentist. So now we
Speaker 2: go talk to the dentist and you know, he calls
Speaker 2: Ava exotic, pretty smart, the whole package.
Speaker 3: He's not hot.
Speaker 2: And Stabler asks if he minded that she was married,
Speaker 2: and he goes, yeah, whatever, fuck that guy. She was
Speaker 2: getting beat every night and he hit her once so
Speaker 2: hard that he had to put five caps in her mouth.
Speaker 3: The marriage was over. He says.
Speaker 2: They met at a party and someone told her that
Speaker 2: I was, you know, a very known dentist to the stars,
Speaker 2: and so she was all over me. And even though
Speaker 2: she was there with her husband, like, she did not
Speaker 2: give a fuck. So, okay, you know what ended it?
Speaker 3: He says.
Speaker 2: She lied, She said she was a student, and cousins
Speaker 2: brought her over. But he hired a private investigator, and
Speaker 2: Benson says, wow, sounds like true love. But I would
Speaker 2: do this. I don't trust anyone. I would hire a
Speaker 2: private investigator for anyone you watch out. So you see
Speaker 2: someone across your street, snap and phocus, and he's like, look,
Speaker 2: I have a very lucrative practice. I got to take precautions.
Speaker 2: So once he found out that she was a male
Speaker 2: order bride, he goes, you know, aka a gold digger.
Speaker 2: He had to be out. Sabler just says, we need
Speaker 2: her dental records. He goes, yeah, for sure, I'll get
Speaker 2: it together right away. No, you know, no hesitation. So
Speaker 2: we go to euro match and this lady's in a
Speaker 2: teal silk shirt blazer and she's walking and talking with
Speaker 2: Munch and Stabler probably munch infin and I fucked it
Speaker 2: up or maybe it's a mismatch day. But I'm confused
Speaker 2: by what I just wrote here. So she says that
Speaker 2: because I feel early seasons they were very much that's
Speaker 2: your partner, and that's your partner.
Speaker 3: You know, there's no fucking around.
Speaker 2: So she says that she matches girls with traditional values,
Speaker 2: men who want wives instead of partners, so much hates it.
Speaker 3: He's a feminist.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, a maid and made cooking and sex
Speaker 2: on demand, And she goes, ugh, you make it sound
Speaker 2: so tawdry.
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Kara Tawdrey is like, you know, like classless and like
Speaker 1: bass low base bullshit.
Speaker 2: You know, I think I already mentioned this because you know,
Speaker 2: I'm in my oc rewatch era. But they call each
Speaker 2: other classless all the time, and it's like you're.
Speaker 3: All trash, Yeah, you're all.
Speaker 2: No One watching this is like, look at these classy women.
Speaker 2: You are the poorest of the of all the housewives
Speaker 2: except for Vicky.
Speaker 3: She is successful.
Speaker 2: Okay, she says, you make it sound so tawdry. I
Speaker 2: already said that. Then she brings the divorce rate among
Speaker 2: She goes, our couples have half the divorce rate of
Speaker 2: the regular population, and Finn goes, okay, well, to get visas,
Speaker 2: they have to prove that they met before coming here,
Speaker 2: and she goes, yeah, we send the clients to Estonia, Romania, Latvia,
Speaker 2: Russia for two weeks and they meet eight girls a day.
Speaker 3: And then when they find the one they want to.
Speaker 2: Marry, we take photos, we do all the paperwork, and
Speaker 2: we send all of it to I INS and it's satisfaction.
Speaker 2: Ninety days are your money back? So she asks if
Speaker 2: Munch is interested. He goes too easy without abject suffering.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know what to do with myself. I love him,
Speaker 2: I love him. So then Finn asks, okay, well if
Speaker 2: they divorce, they can only stay for two more years.
Speaker 2: So then what happens, and she says, well, usually the
Speaker 2: girl's deported unless she left because her husband abused her.
Speaker 2: Then you know, I ins Grant's exceptions, but it rarely
Speaker 2: happens because they do intense background checks. And they go, well, no,
Speaker 2: you're lucky Ava actually didn't sue you because you you know,
Speaker 2: this hand picked hubby was a wife beater. She says,
Speaker 2: if we knew that, we would have intervened and sent
Speaker 2: her to live with her sister, Irena. Munch goes, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, but Irena, Yeah, they came over together. Fortunately
Speaker 2: IRENA's marriage is a match made in heaven. And so
Speaker 2: now we're with Irena, who's cooking, and Benson and Stable
Speaker 2: are like, what the fuck? Why didn't you tell us?
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm afraid. You know, her husband hit me
Speaker 2: once when I went to see her. So this motherfucker,
Speaker 2: like he looked like a douche. And this is maybe,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, I wasn't like this wife beater,
Speaker 2: violent man, yeah, though he doesn't respect women, but this
Speaker 2: one was.
Speaker 3: But yeah, go tea ponytail chain. I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I was surprised that.
Speaker 2: He was like this abuser and abusing the cistern all
Speaker 2: of that, but you know, abusers look like everyone.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm also wondering if it's true or if it's
Speaker 1: because what we come to later. Let's get back to it, Okay,
Speaker 1: so flog it for follow up, as my friend Lizzy
Speaker 1: always says, flag that for follow up.
Speaker 2: And yeah, like if he did hit her and the cistern, everyone, like,
Speaker 2: I feel bad for this new wife, even if he
Speaker 2: doesn't hit her, I feel bad for her.
Speaker 3: Right well, she's not in a great situation no matter what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I feel like these SV detectives should
Speaker 2: go back and help her, like that is their job,
Speaker 2: but they like she also looked very young. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's all very upsetting. So she says he got mad
Speaker 2: because Irena told Ava to leave him, because he beat
Speaker 2: the shit out of her and he even came close
Speaker 2: to killing her once. And so now they bring in
Speaker 2: pony Boy into the cement room bars and Stabler has
Speaker 2: the husband's file in his hand and he's like, wow,
Speaker 2: a civil sexual harassment suit filed by a former employee.
Speaker 2: And then he passes the folder to Benson, who keeps
Speaker 2: reading this, you know, all his shit out restraining orders
Speaker 2: filed by your first and second wives.
Speaker 3: So he is bad.
Speaker 2: So he says, I didn't kill Ava, and she closes
Speaker 2: the folder and stares at him.
Speaker 3: You forced her to have sex with you. That's called rape.
Speaker 2: You pulled out fistfuls of her hair and knocked her
Speaker 2: teeth out. That's a salt, he says, prove it. And
Speaker 2: they're like, lol, you think we would bring you all
Speaker 2: the way down here if we couldn't. Craigan knot and
Speaker 2: it's like you would you break the law all the time.
Speaker 2: But Craigan knocks Benson and Stabler go meet him in
Speaker 2: the spy hallway. Benson is like, damn, this is a
Speaker 2: game of clue. A diplomat, a dentist, an importer, and
Speaker 2: now this loser my favorite line, Like, I just think
Speaker 2: that's such a funny line. So then they leave pony
Speaker 2: Boy and we never find out what happens to him,
Speaker 2: but we hope that his you know, he goes to jail.
Speaker 2: So they go to Lance Reddick and He's straight up
Speaker 2: is like, these teeth do not belong to Ava.
Speaker 3: Perulas, like the the files, the teeth.
Speaker 2: Files from the dentist, and so Benson and Stabler are like,
Speaker 2: oh fuck, maybe the dentist made a mistake or and
Speaker 2: he cuts them off. He goes, no, no, no, no, the
Speaker 2: dental records didn't match, but everything else does. Son of
Speaker 2: a bitch, Irena is Ava. So we jumped to so
Speaker 2: many conclusions though. Cabin's like, okay, well I need proof
Speaker 2: that she killed Irena.
Speaker 3: It's like, why are we jumping to this?
Speaker 2: Like these women that have tried and struggled to get
Speaker 2: into this country through all of these hardships to then
Speaker 2: turn and.
Speaker 3: Kill on each other. Like what?
Speaker 2: So they're like, we have dental records and the skull
Speaker 2: is a match. Kaba goes, okay, no, we need evidence
Speaker 2: that Ava murdered her sister, and they're like, well the
Speaker 2: apartment overlooked the grave and it's like circumstantial, you guys,
Speaker 2: what don't you understand She needs a motive, she needs
Speaker 2: physical evidence.
Speaker 3: Get to fucking work.
Speaker 2: Craigan suggests, well, she didn't want to go back to
Speaker 2: Romania with her marriage and alls, so Cragan's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but she also, you know, she didn't want to go
Speaker 2: to Romania and her marriage was annulled. And they keep
Speaker 2: like chatting, and Cabot has to talk to them like
Speaker 2: they're fit like children. I need physical evidence linking them.
Speaker 2: So they're like, come on, we've done a lot more
Speaker 2: with less chief size, and goes, fine, search the house.
Speaker 2: So they approach the house, knock, knock, knock. They opened
Speaker 2: the door and shit is thrown around. It's a mess
Speaker 2: in there. They take out their guns. A suitcase is
Speaker 2: half packed on the bed like a train ran through it,
Speaker 2: Munch says, and then they're open safes. Stuff is everywhere,
Speaker 2: and Stabler goes, damn, she took all the money she could.
Speaker 2: There is a note I'm sorry. I do love you, George.
Speaker 2: I never meant to hurt you or Julia or Irena.
Speaker 2: So they got to talk to the husband aka you
Speaker 2: know this brother in law, and so they go to
Speaker 2: him and he's like, you guys are crazy. My wife
Speaker 2: is not dead. And Benson says, we have the dental
Speaker 2: records to prove it. You're saying Irena is buried in
Speaker 2: that grave. Benson says, we're sorry, and tries to comfort him.
Speaker 2: He screams, my wife is a loving woman, a good mother,
Speaker 2: and all Ava ever cared about was herself and her money.
Speaker 2: And they're like, we went to the house, Ava is gone.
Speaker 2: She packed up her stuff and she's gone. He says,
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. They show him the note. He's like,
Speaker 2: this isn't true. Benson hands him over IRENA's crucifix. He goes,
Speaker 2: where did you get that? He's so confused. Sabler answers
Speaker 2: from the grave. It finally hits him, so he sits
Speaker 2: in the back of his work truck and he's like,
Speaker 2: when we were first married, she used to go to
Speaker 2: Mass every morning, every morning.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit aggressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then she stopped three years ago and said she
Speaker 2: lost her faith. Stabler goes, okay, and then you never
Speaker 2: saw Ava again after the falling out, or do you
Speaker 2: know if I Rena saw her, Like what's going on?
Speaker 2: So Ava called said she needed money and we just
Speaker 2: had a baby and business was slow, but I Rena
Speaker 2: went over there to explain why we couldn't help out,
Speaker 2: and she didn't get back until two in the morning.
Speaker 2: He starts crying and whispers she killed her Benson's like,
Speaker 2: well did she say anything? He said no, she was
Speaker 2: sick and didn't talk, and she spent the next two
Speaker 2: weeks in bed, and so it's like, well, why would
Speaker 2: she do that? Benson goes, well, you know, we're trying
Speaker 2: to find that out, and Stablor goes, wait, where's your daughter?
Speaker 3: Fuck? I realize, but I.
Speaker 2: Do also want to say this is also another classic
Speaker 2: mail order rise situation, like you didn't notice your wife
Speaker 2: was a little different, Yeah, personality food, Like she shows like.
Speaker 3: Falling into life knowing that. Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I know she knows her sister, but even
Speaker 2: like I know their Twitter.
Speaker 3: It's just crazy that you wouldn't notice it's a different person.
Speaker 1: And eventually, like, there are people that are married to
Speaker 1: identical twins and they can tell them apart from their
Speaker 1: you know, Like so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like, yeah, you also wanted a wife
Speaker 2: that could cook and clean and do things for you. Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a nice one and he didn't beat anyone, but
Speaker 2: you also didn't realize your wife was a fully different person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but okay, so you know they rushed to the school
Speaker 2: the daughter, you know, what's up with the daughter? They
Speaker 2: burst into class. Julia runs to him and screams daddy,
Speaker 2: daddy and jumps into his arms. You know, you know
Speaker 2: he hugs are so tight. The teacher asks, is they're
Speaker 2: a problem. He goes, no, everything's fine. She's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you just missed your wife. Record scratch. So the wife
Speaker 2: was in here twenty minutes ago. She seemed upset, spoke
Speaker 2: to Julia and left. Stabler asks what her mom wanted
Speaker 2: and she goes, oh, to give me this, and it's
Speaker 2: a necklace with a picture inside it. She said they
Speaker 2: were going to see the puppet man today.
Speaker 3: Walt.
Speaker 2: He's nice and she's like, oh, that's mommy's friend. When
Speaker 2: we go over there, he shows me the puppet and
Speaker 2: the dad has like no idea what she's talking about.
Speaker 2: Who this puppet man is in any capacity. So they
Speaker 2: have to press her for more information and she names
Speaker 2: another friend that's there, Valentina.
Speaker 3: So they're back at home base.
Speaker 2: Finn has the scoop so Ava aka or you know, dad,
Speaker 2: I arena whatever it's Ava. She cleaned out all the
Speaker 2: accounts this morning, on top of the three hundred dollars
Speaker 2: she takes out at the last Friday every month and
Speaker 2: then all the canceled checks have her signature on them,
Speaker 2: so you know she's paying household bills.
Speaker 3: But where does the rest of the money go.
Speaker 2: So not only was like the money taken out every
Speaker 2: last Friday, there's also one phone call to euro Match
Speaker 2: every last Friday as well, and that's Valentina Bilescu's mail
Speaker 2: order bride agency. So Craigan's like, Olivia just called and
Speaker 2: said the daughter and mom met with Valentina regularly, so
Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on? So they all go
Speaker 2: back to meet with Valentina and this little man with
Speaker 2: glasses stops them in the lobby and goes, no, she's
Speaker 2: not here. You can't go in there. We're not doing
Speaker 2: anything illegal. And they're like, oh, you're the fucking puppet man,
Speaker 2: aren't you. And he's like, listen, I just take the
Speaker 2: money and I give it to Valentina.
Speaker 3: I know nothing.
Speaker 2: They're like, bro, if you took money, that makes you
Speaker 2: an accessory, So stop with the games, bitch one more time.
Speaker 2: Where is she? He spills the beans. She's at her
Speaker 2: other office. It's a some warehouse down in Chelsea. They
Speaker 2: bust in there. It's so gross. It's obviously a human
Speaker 2: trafficking holding cell brothel situation. A woman starts screaming police.
Speaker 2: They stop her and go, bitch, you're going down to
Speaker 2: if you don't tell us where Valentina is. She doesn't
Speaker 2: want to go down for pimping and kidnapping, so she
Speaker 2: points to a door and says, oh, she's in there,
Speaker 2: but she comes out before they can bust in there.
Speaker 2: She asks for a warrant and they say it's signed
Speaker 2: on a judge's desk and they cuff her. You smuggling ass, bitch,
Speaker 2: and you're under arrest for unlawful imprisonment, kidnapping, and promoting prostitution.
Speaker 2: They ask where is Ava? She says, I don't have
Speaker 2: to tell you anything, but Ava's actually in the room,
Speaker 2: holding and hugging another woman, and all her cash and
Speaker 2: gold is on the table. Benson's like, wow, what is
Speaker 2: this cat four Nava just goes no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: They arrest her for the murder of Irena Burton. She screams,
Speaker 2: I didn't kill her. Stabler carries her away. The younger
Speaker 2: woman is screaming in fear. Benson goes like, who is this?
Speaker 2: Ava answers, my little sister. I was buying her freedom.
Speaker 2: The plot thickens even more. She's not just a gold
Speaker 2: digging whore trying to get her sister out. She's in
Speaker 2: cement room bars, but like, I actually follow this one
Speaker 2: like a Soviet Union kind of girl like me, But
Speaker 2: she came here illegally and her mom was a mail
Speaker 2: order bride, and.
Speaker 3: She posts like what her life was like, like.
Speaker 2: Being raised by a woman who only cared about like
Speaker 2: looks money, manipulating men, like all the lessons she taught
Speaker 2: her were insane and like being able to outgrow the
Speaker 2: and she was lied to, like she was taken from
Speaker 2: Russia to Hear and all her family was there. She
Speaker 2: never saw him again, but didn't say goodbye because no
Speaker 2: one filled her in. Wow, and from things I've told you,
Speaker 2: you know that that's part of my family's culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but like that sounds kind of like the
Speaker 1: episode design when the woman's just like an old digger
Speaker 1: and just like trains her daughter to like be like
Speaker 1: amoral and just like fuck people over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're totally right.
Speaker 2: It's but this girl seems like she's doing good and
Speaker 2: she's writing a book and I follow her. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So she's in cement room bars, like I didn't kill her,
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, sure, you just fully took over her identity, okay,
Speaker 2: And they're like, when the bones get identified, you got scared.
Speaker 2: You helped yourself to George and IRENA's money. You thought
Speaker 2: that would keep you going for a while. She goes, no,
Speaker 2: none of this is true. And it's like, don't you
Speaker 2: see how wild this is. Listen to her. She's clearly
Speaker 2: a victim. Benson screams, then, how did Irena end up
Speaker 2: underneath the hydranges in the back of your apartment? She says,
Speaker 2: I buried her there. Stabler's like, okay, so you buried
Speaker 2: her but didn't murder her. She goes, yeah, I came
Speaker 2: home that night. Irena was dead. She was lying on
Speaker 2: the floor, and the neighbor had his yard dug up.
Speaker 2: So I put my sister in a trash bag and
Speaker 2: I carried her down the stairs and I covered her
Speaker 2: with dirt. And they go and a caller and a leise.
Speaker 2: She says, they were mine. I buried my past with Irena.
Speaker 2: Saber's like, okay, why didn't you just call the police?
Speaker 2: Whoever killed Irena was really after me. Valentina had her
Speaker 2: sister and I had to get her out.
Speaker 3: She's scared to answer.
Speaker 2: When Benson asks that Valentina threatened her, they do the usual.
Speaker 2: If you cooperate, we can help you, she says. In
Speaker 2: my country, the police help no one. She sits down.
Speaker 2: Cab and Craigan are outside the spy window, and he's
Speaker 2: making some sense, like why would she kill one sister
Speaker 2: but risk it all to save the other one? This
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. Finally, someone's thinking Saber's like, nobody her
Speaker 2: side could drag a body down three flights of stairs
Speaker 2: and bury her. Like what the fuck is she hiding
Speaker 2: her protecting? So let's go chat with the other sister.
Speaker 2: This sister's pissed, okay, she's had it rough. Fitn is
Speaker 2: like what wait, you didn't realize that was your sister,
Speaker 2: and she goes, I haven't seen her in years, since
Speaker 2: that bitch brought me to this hell hole. The bitch
Speaker 2: is Valentina. She's do you think about Valentina from drug?
Speaker 2: Every time we say Valentina or no.
Speaker 1: I'd like to keep it on please, Yes, it's me too, Valentina.
Speaker 3: Alkay. So she's like, what happens to Irena?
Speaker 2: And they say that Ava killed her and took her place,
Speaker 2: and she's like, no fucking way would Irena like harm
Speaker 2: anyone all? But like, there's no fucking way. So she
Speaker 2: wants to see her, but they're like, no, she's going
Speaker 2: to jail again. Clearly a victim. Why are they being
Speaker 2: so mean to this girl too? She just got dragged
Speaker 2: out of a brothel. Yeah, like she just found out
Speaker 2: her sister is dead. She's been locked in this brothel.
Speaker 2: She finally got her freedom. You raided the place. So
Speaker 2: then the girl goes, fucking Valentina did this. She promised
Speaker 2: me marriage and a new life. She went to her parties.
Speaker 2: I did everything she said. I was at the parties
Speaker 2: at Budapest and one of the men offered to marry me.
Speaker 2: So Valentina brought her to the States and got married.
Speaker 2: But that pig changed his mind, she says. And she
Speaker 2: was scared to get deported, but Valentina said she would
Speaker 2: protect her and keep her here. But instead she took
Speaker 2: her to that place and made her a whore. Then Finn,
Speaker 2: in a vest in the most non svu way, says,
Speaker 2: why didn't you say no.
Speaker 1: She's in a foreign country. This one probably has her passport.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have a dime to her name, Like who
Speaker 1: knows if she even speaks English? Why didn't you just
Speaker 1: stop and not be sexually trafficked?
Speaker 3: Why? Why? Why not?
Speaker 2: So then she says nobody says no to Valentina and
Speaker 2: she's been in this death hole for three and a
Speaker 2: half years Jesus because that, you know, the debt had
Speaker 2: to be paid off from the ex husband. So when
Speaker 2: all these men get their money back from the ninety
Speaker 2: day guarantees, then these women so they don't give a
Speaker 2: fuck like marry them, or we get your money back
Speaker 2: by pimping you out, Like yeah, fuck, because I was wondering,
Speaker 2: like why would they give money back? You know that's
Speaker 2: not that doesn't sound like yeah legal euro matched vibes.
Speaker 2: So yeah, she had to pay her back for her losses.
Speaker 2: Then he asks, well why didn't she run away? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, Finn, are you kidding me? But this is
Speaker 2: season two and he hasn't learned yet, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: And like this is his first season.
Speaker 2: She's just domaining and so and he is a little
Speaker 2: not backwards, but like he comes in with outdated ideas
Speaker 2: even though he's a poor an addict.
Speaker 3: So but you know this girl does answers.
Speaker 2: She goes, I didn't run away because Valentina said they
Speaker 2: would kill my sisters if like I went back to
Speaker 2: Romania or did anything. So now we're with Valentina and
Speaker 2: she asks Cabot when can I leave? And they're like, bitch,
Speaker 2: you're going to rikers. She responds, I can make bail.
Speaker 2: Cabot goes, oh, don't count on it. Judges usually don't
Speaker 2: send accused killers home. She asks, well, who did I kill?
Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, bitch, you know you know what's up.
Speaker 2: Accessory to murder of Irena, she says she is not
Speaker 2: a killer. I bring American the brides they want. Cabbitt goes,
Speaker 2: you mean the women you kidnap. She's delusional and things.
Speaker 2: She brought these women to get married and have a
Speaker 2: better life. I sheltered them after their husband's divorced them.
Speaker 2: And Cabot goes, sure, and then you force them into prostitution.
Speaker 2: So she says, you can't prove anything. What innocent person
Speaker 2: says that proven proven. That's a guilty person. Cabot's like, listen,
Speaker 2: Ava was gonna talk, but you killed the wrong sister,
Speaker 2: so who helped you? Valentina looks Stern and then rolls
Speaker 2: her eyes and goes, just give me my lawyer now.
Speaker 3: So Cabot has to walk out with nothing.
Speaker 2: Sailor then also tells Craig and the update, Ava's acting
Speaker 2: more like a victim than a purp. I'm like, honestly
Speaker 2: at my wits end with these detectives. So Gabbit goes, listen,
Speaker 2: they're both scared of someone. Who are they scared of?
Speaker 2: So they say let's search her shit, like, let's figure
Speaker 2: this out. So they asked to bring in George Burton,
Speaker 2: her husband. Maybe that that'll help her, you know. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: Munch is talking to the glasses man employee at euro
Speaker 2: Match and he's acting scared and has no idea about
Speaker 2: the whore house, books nothing, and they threaten him with charges.
Speaker 3: He goes, murder, I'm just a clerk.
Speaker 2: And they keep pushing like who is Valentina's partner and
Speaker 2: you know he doesn't know, he doesn't know. Finn goes, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: all the friends that come in and out, like, are
Speaker 2: there some friends that hang out more than others?
Speaker 3: And it finally clicks for him.
Speaker 2: He goes, oh, yeah, there's an old man in a
Speaker 2: suit that comes in a couple times a week, and
Speaker 2: you know, they have the same accent, and they would
Speaker 2: lock themselves in the office, and so they he lets
Speaker 2: them into the office, which is great.
Speaker 3: So they go into the office.
Speaker 2: Craigan and Cabot meet in the middle of the precinct
Speaker 2: with Stabler and Benson and Valentina's silent partner is the
Speaker 2: orchid guy, the Romanian Deputy Chief of Mission, Rosvin Toscu.
Speaker 3: Orchid guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, glasses guy. So it's you know, but diplomatic shit.
Speaker 2: You know, they all have immunity. But George Burton is
Speaker 2: willing to play and he's just really sad and he's heartbroken.
Speaker 2: So Saba brings him to the window and Ava's sitting
Speaker 2: on the other side and they're talking and he's like, damn,
Speaker 2: there's another sister. Where did you find her? And they're like, honey,
Speaker 2: it's a wild story. And he's like, why wouldn't she
Speaker 2: tell me? And Sailor's like, well, you know, maybe to
Speaker 2: protect you. So George walks in and he goes, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, Ava, it's me. She gets up slowly. I
Speaker 2: didn't expect you to come. He goes, you shared my
Speaker 2: bed for three years and you raised my daughter and
Speaker 2: it was a lie and Ava was like Irina was dead,
Speaker 2: she would have wanted this. He does not like that.
Speaker 2: He starts getting aggressive, you know about the Toscu guy,
Speaker 2: and she says, if he finds out, he's going to
Speaker 2: kill you like he killed Irena. She threatened to tell
Speaker 2: the police about him if he didn't let Ksana go.
Speaker 3: That's the sister.
Speaker 2: Obviously, we all think about Oksana bay Yule rats to
Speaker 2: her winning the gold medal in the nineties. So I
Speaker 2: remember losing my mind at our house when she when
Speaker 2: she won.
Speaker 1: I remember my dad telling me the girl who's gonna
Speaker 1: win the Olympics is a girl named Naksana by Yule,
Speaker 1: and I went, I've never even heard of that person, dad,
Speaker 1: And then she fucking won.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you know, they wanted Nancy Kerrigan to win.
Speaker 2: But yeah, little Luxana came out. She had like such
Speaker 2: stiff puffy bangs, so crazy, so little.
Speaker 3: They're all so little.
Speaker 2: Because I think about Tara Lipinski's tiny Sasha.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sasha Cone won the gold like all of them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you gotta really fly yourself up there in the air.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually today it's in spin class. I was watching
Speaker 2: a woman in the front, and I go, you're such
Speaker 2: as Tanya Harding. I go, you're so strong, you're riding
Speaker 2: so hard. You look she looks, you.
Speaker 3: Look wild, lady, get some get some class. That's it.
Speaker 2: But I didn't think. I go, yeah, you're the winner
Speaker 2: of this class. But you look insane.
Speaker 1: You're like I could tell your mom sewed your soul
Speaker 1: Cycle outfit together.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because I love Tanya Harding's outfits. Okay,
Speaker 2: so anyways, back to reality. This Suksana is not an
Speaker 2: unfortunately Olympic gold ice skater. So basically Ava was saying
Speaker 2: she saw him. There's a witness now, So she saw
Speaker 2: him outside her apartment building. He left something next to
Speaker 2: the trash in a plastic bag, and inside, when she looked,
Speaker 2: she found her sister. So she put on her wedding
Speaker 2: rings and buried her. And now she sits down and
Speaker 2: she says that this motherfucker raped her and made her
Speaker 2: wear the collar. He did to her what he used
Speaker 2: to do to me. He yells, how did you let
Speaker 2: that happen? And she yells back, I wasn't there, and
Speaker 2: then she starts crying and she goes, I couldn't stop
Speaker 2: him full tears, you know, big vein in the forehead
Speaker 2: and through her tears, she said, And Irena never told
Speaker 2: him it wasn't me. You know she could have yah,
Speaker 2: but I bet he would have just killed both of them, right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he wants to know why he wasn't told. Well, because
Speaker 2: I'm also wondering if the sisters was really mad at
Speaker 2: Ava all this time, or like she obviously knew she
Speaker 2: was making money to buy their other sister. Yeah, so,
Speaker 2: like was she lying to George. It's just a little
Speaker 2: bit confusing. But I don't trust George. He used mail
Speaker 2: order bride services. Sorry, don't trust you. So he wants
Speaker 2: to know why he wasn't told, and she's like, listen,
Speaker 2: if they thought I was dead, I knew we were safe.
Speaker 2: All the men, all the jewelry, the money I took
Speaker 2: from you. All I wanted was to get Uksana out.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, he says, you're sorry. She ugly cries.
Speaker 2: He says sorry, won't bring Irena back. She nuzzles him
Speaker 2: and begs please. He pushes her off of him. How
Speaker 2: could you live with yourself? And he walks out of
Speaker 2: the room and slams the door.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I.
Speaker 2: Don't like I don't like him. Yeah, Like, do you
Speaker 2: not see that? This was difficult?
Speaker 1: I remember feeling so bad for him when I first
Speaker 1: watched the episode, though, Like I was like, he's been
Speaker 1: sleeping with like a stranger for three years. But again,
Speaker 1: notice it's like you didn't notice, Like yeah, he walks
Speaker 1: out of the spy room and closes the door.
Speaker 2: Kaba asks the crew if they believe her, and they're like, listen,
Speaker 2: maybe she would lie to us, but she's not lying
Speaker 2: to him. So she's the only one that could put
Speaker 2: away this dude as a witness. And Craigan's like, Eve,
Speaker 2: you know, even if there's a tape of him doing it,
Speaker 2: he's a diplomat, we can't touch him. Benson goes, Alex,
Speaker 2: there's got to be something you can do. So she
Speaker 2: goes to run chat with a friend. I feel like
Speaker 2: they had kind of chemistry and I bet their fuck
Speaker 2: buddy energy thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw it.
Speaker 1: I think we think that about like any guy that
Speaker 1: Alex is like, oh my old friend from law school.
Speaker 1: We're like, you guys fucked right, Like she's just so hot.
Speaker 1: These guys all wanted to I'm sure even if it
Speaker 1: didn't happen.
Speaker 3: And she's sex positive.
Speaker 2: So she's doing a walk and talk on a super
Speaker 2: busy street and they're passing Seventieth Street and there's like
Speaker 2: steam behind them. It's like really kind of silly, classic
Speaker 2: New York, like a cartoon of a busy city cones everywhere.
Speaker 2: She's like, I need help from the State's apartment. He goes, Babe,
Speaker 2: it's nearly impossible to convince a nation to wave diplomatic community.
Speaker 2: And she's like, well, Russia' set precedent with the Republic
Speaker 2: of Georgia on a drunk driving case in DC and
Speaker 2: YadA YadA.
Speaker 3: I can't get into another case. I'm exhausted.
Speaker 2: So they talk business and she says, well, listen, I
Speaker 2: want to put away a murderer.
Speaker 3: He has an idea. It's a long shot, but let's
Speaker 3: try it.
Speaker 2: So they go talk to the Orchid creep and a
Speaker 2: man with a suit who can wave immunity. So they
Speaker 2: bring out all the accusations. He's offended by these insults
Speaker 2: and baseless accusations. They bring out the bones photo so
Speaker 2: they're like, we know what he did to this woman
Speaker 2: from your country. He grabs a photo, goes let me
Speaker 2: see that. He says tragic. He leans back, do you
Speaker 2: think I'm responsible? And they're like, yeah, bitch, we have
Speaker 2: a witness. Oh yeah, her sister of a perulis right.
Speaker 2: And in my head it's like, how do you know that?
Speaker 2: Did you think he killed Ava? Did they already tell
Speaker 2: him there's like switched twins?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So that means he knows, Like, if he knows who
Speaker 2: did it, he's the killer. But maybe I'm missing something here.
Speaker 2: So the suit guy with him says, well, without hardcore evidence,
Speaker 2: we can't do anything, and then the orchid guy folds
Speaker 2: his arm and says, you have nothing but the word
Speaker 2: from criminals and of a woman who buried her sister
Speaker 2: in a shallow grave. Cabot is pissed, but her friend
Speaker 2: is like, chill out, chill out, I got this.
Speaker 3: He leans in.
Speaker 2: He says they're leaving them with no alternative, and the
Speaker 2: government has authorized him to make this dude persona non grata.
Speaker 2: He has forty eight hours to leave the United States.
Speaker 2: Cabot's back at SVU and Stabler's pissed, so he walks.
Speaker 2: She says she didn't know that her friend was going
Speaker 2: to do that, and Cabot's like, well, at least it
Speaker 2: brought us some time. Cragan's interested, but what do you
Speaker 2: want us to do? Like, what do you need from us?
Speaker 2: Alex like, we'll do whatever and something. She goes something
Speaker 2: more than Ava Perulus's words. Stabler goes, there's nothing else.
Speaker 2: Cabot goes, well, that's what we need. Cragan says, go
Speaker 2: back to the physical evidence, go back to the bones.
Speaker 3: So I trust. So it's so funny.
Speaker 2: So they have a Chinese food meeting, which is my
Speaker 2: favorite type of solving that they do, and the Emmy
Speaker 2: papers and they're rifling through samples and they did find
Speaker 2: samples in her panties that were sent to forensic geologists,
Speaker 2: but the results aren't back till next week. No, so
Speaker 2: they run to a lab tech and they say, dance
Speaker 2: for us, bitch. So one of the samples we're not
Speaker 2: consistent with the place that was found, and he's gonna
Speaker 2: check tomorrow what that all is. But basically whatever was
Speaker 2: found was not native to this yard. And they go,
Speaker 2: you're not waiting till tomorrow, you need to test it now.
Speaker 2: So Benson and Stabler are at the Romanian official building
Speaker 2: waiting for his ass and his bags are packed, his
Speaker 2: drivers carrying them out, and behind him is the creep
Speaker 2: and he's running out and he goes, oh, good morning.
Speaker 2: You guys here to send me off. Cocky, cocky. They
Speaker 2: say you're not getting away with this. He says, I'll
Speaker 2: send you a card for my next post. I hope
Speaker 2: it's a warmer climate, and he walks away. Stabler stops
Speaker 2: him and arrests him. He screams out about you know,
Speaker 2: diplomatic immunity, and it goes no, no, no, you're going
Speaker 2: down for the murder of Irena Burton. Benson reminds him
Speaker 2: he doesn't have immunity anymore as of that morning. Stabler says,
Speaker 2: the government doesn't appreciate your sideline business as a murderer
Speaker 2: and a pimp, and they cut you loose. He says,
Speaker 2: you have no evidence. In a panic, they say, sure,
Speaker 2: we do. Two little grains of pollen belonging to the
Speaker 2: ginghis Firmin Lambau. He asks, my orchids, you know they
Speaker 2: betrayed him, and they go, yep, we found it on
Speaker 2: IRENA's clothing.
Speaker 3: You should have washed your hands.
Speaker 2: So he's being thrown in the back of the car
Speaker 2: and now we're at right away.
Speaker 3: I love the drama, I really do.
Speaker 1: But what are we proving here that this is the
Speaker 1: only man that owns orchands in New York City.
Speaker 3: No, but he bred them. He bred that one, he
Speaker 3: bread that specific Organd yes.
Speaker 2: He bred those orchids in his office. He made them. Oh, oh,
Speaker 2: that's what he was bragging about.
Speaker 3: And shut your fucking mouth about your orchids, dummy.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's kind of like the mushroom guy from Wet Sorry,
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you made these potions, Like we know
Speaker 2: it's you. So George's there with Julia and then you know,
Speaker 2: he walks away, Aksana walks away, and you know, finally
Speaker 2: we get to have IRENA's funeral. George does say thank you,
Speaker 2: and they say thank us. When he's convicted, they say, damn,
Speaker 2: this really could have gone on forever, Like she could
Speaker 2: have just lived as Irena for a long time if
Speaker 2: these bones weren't found. Benson goes, Yep, if it hadn't
Speaker 2: been for the bones bones, Ava's standing there at the gravesite,
Speaker 2: Irena can finally rest in peace.
Speaker 3: She is sobbing.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a lot of pain that she has
Speaker 2: gone through and they walk away from her slowly, and
Speaker 2: you know that's a dick wolf baby.
Speaker 3: They just leave her crying. They couldn't even give her
Speaker 3: a pat on the back. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So and like what was her plan? I wonder, like
Speaker 1: after she got after she freed Oksana, was she gonna
Speaker 1: stay married to this guy and keep up the ruse
Speaker 1: or like maybe finally tell him or like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's her niece and she could probably just
Speaker 2: pretend to her sister too.
Speaker 3: Her sister hasn't seen them in years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I feel so bad for the little
Speaker 1: girl because it's like, your mom's dead, but like the
Speaker 1: woman you've been thinking here is your mom for most
Speaker 1: of the life that you've created memories is alive.
Speaker 3: But you know how it is mad at her?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay, Well we have a couple of fucked
Speaker 1: up cases, so let's jump right in. So the first
Speaker 1: case that I want to talk about is the Raina
Speaker 1: Marokein case. Raina Angelica Marokeine was a Salvadoran woman who
Speaker 1: immigrated to the New York area in nineteen sixty six
Speaker 1: after a failed marriage, telling her family she was going
Speaker 1: to be somebody, and for three years She worked as
Speaker 1: a nanny as well as assembling plastic flowers at Melrose
Speaker 1: Plastics on East on East thirty fourth Street in Manhattan,
Speaker 1: and she wrote to her family all the time. Rada
Speaker 1: studied English and fashion, and she took citizenship classes. Her
Speaker 1: friend said she loved the United States. She was fascinated
Speaker 1: by New York. You know, she's like living a great life.
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty nine, the letters to her family stopped
Speaker 1: and Rena basically disappeared. She was twenty seven years old.
Speaker 1: Her family put ads in the paper, but eventually they
Speaker 1: just like came to terms with the fact that they
Speaker 1: were like never going to find out what happened to Arna.
Speaker 1: Thirty years later, fast forward to September of nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: a guy named Hamid Tafagodie had just bought a house
Speaker 1: in Jericho, New York, on Long Island, and he found unlike,
Speaker 1: instead of the hydrangea bushes or whatever with the skeleton,
Speaker 1: they find a rusted fifty five gallon drum weighing three
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five pounds, which is giving me, giving
Speaker 1: me dexter barrel. Girl vibes all the way and it's
Speaker 1: in a crawl space under the house, and he wants
Speaker 1: the cellar, this guy Ronald Cohen.
Speaker 3: To remove it.
Speaker 1: So then they get garbage men to come in there.
Speaker 1: They refuse to touch it. They're worried that it's got
Speaker 1: toxic chemicals inside because it's like a die barrel. It's
Speaker 1: like a barrel that you used to hold die. So
Speaker 1: then the guy Cohen who's the cellar of the house
Speaker 1: and his reeltor ended up prying off the top of
Speaker 1: the barrel and they see a hand and they immediately
Speaker 1: show they immediately call the police. So inside the drum
Speaker 1: is Raina's body. She had been nine months pregnant and
Speaker 1: the cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head.
Speaker 3: The drum was.
Speaker 1: Also filled with polystyrene pellets two rings. One was inscribed mhr.
Speaker 1: We never really get to the bottom of that. A
Speaker 1: locket inscribed to patrece love uncle Phil, we don't get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of that green dye. And then an
Speaker 1: artificial a plastic artificial plant stem if you'll remember she
Speaker 1: worked at a plastic flower factory. And an address book. Now,
Speaker 1: some of the address book could actually be read by
Speaker 1: the naked eye. It was actually not in thirty years
Speaker 1: it had not fully, like you know, deteriorated to the
Speaker 1: point of iligibility, but a lot of it could also
Speaker 1: be read under the special lighting that we've seen them
Speaker 1: do on SVU before. And they were able to make
Speaker 1: out a permanent residence card with Reina's name on it,
Speaker 1: so they were able to confirm that it was Reina.
Speaker 1: The drum itself was made to transport die like I said,
Speaker 1: and it had been shipped to Melrose Plastics, where Reina
Speaker 1: worked and done done, where a prominent businessman, Howard b
Speaker 1: Elkins was the principal owner.
Speaker 3: What else did Howard be Elkins own once upon a time.
Speaker 1: The house in Jericho where the barrel was found, so
Speaker 1: he had not lived in the house for decades. More people, three,
Speaker 1: I believe three or four other homeowners lived in this house.
Speaker 1: A couple of them were like, yeah, we saw the barrel.
Speaker 1: It was too heavy to move. We just didn't fuck
Speaker 1: with it. They just lived with the barrel in the
Speaker 1: crawl space. Another thing that they found in the address
Speaker 1: book was the phone number of Kathy Andreid, who had
Speaker 1: been Rena's friend. She told the police that Rena was
Speaker 1: having an affair with Elkins, who was the owner of
Speaker 1: the plastic flower factory where she worked. When she became pregnant,
Speaker 1: Elkins got her an apartment in Hoboken, New Jersey, got her
Speaker 1: a private doctor was kind of taking care of things
Speaker 1: on the side, and she kept expecting.
Speaker 3: He was going to leave his wife.
Speaker 2: And TikTok, you know, she is so many parts of
Speaker 2: the episode are in this already.
Speaker 3: I know, kind of in all the little moment. It's
Speaker 3: really wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like even paying for the private doctor and
Speaker 1: the apartment kind of feels like what the doctor was
Speaker 1: doing for his you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she was like, TikTok, bro, what are you
Speaker 1: leaving your wife? And like time goes on and she's
Speaker 1: almost nine months pregnant and she's had enough. So she
Speaker 1: calls his house and she tells his wife, Ruth, about
Speaker 1: the affair. Then she called her friend Kathy, and as
Speaker 1: Kathy told CBS quote, she said, he's going to kill me.
Speaker 1: I said, no, just calm down, nothing's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to kill you. She said, yes, yes, he
Speaker 1: says he's going to kill me. So Kathy said, she
Speaker 1: rushed to her friend's apartment and Hoboken and that's when
Speaker 1: she got nervous. The door was open, warm food is
Speaker 1: on the stove. It's the middle of winter, but Kathy
Speaker 1: says rain as winter coat is still there, her purse,
Speaker 1: her gloves, her boots.
Speaker 3: But she's nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1: Kathy said she waited for around four hours, then went
Speaker 1: to the police, another instance of the police not giving
Speaker 1: an actual fuck that she couldn't file a missing person's
Speaker 1: report because she's not a relative, and they were like, Babe,
Speaker 1: she probably just ran off with a boyfriend or something like,
Speaker 1: we can't file anything. You're gonna have to check back
Speaker 1: in a few days. Kathy never followed up, and she
Speaker 1: was like her only friend and connection, And it seemed
Speaker 1: like like previous to living in the Hoboken apartment, she'd
Speaker 1: just been living at like boarding houses that run by
Speaker 1: churches or whatever, you know. So I think she was
Speaker 1: kind of like a loner and had, you know, just
Speaker 1: moved to the country.
Speaker 3: So Kathy just honestly like let.
Speaker 1: It fade from her memory until nineteen ninety nine when
Speaker 1: she was contacted and the body was found.
Speaker 3: I'm a little sessed about Kathy, Like.
Speaker 1: A year later, you weren't like whatever happened to Rena
Speaker 1: my nine month pregnant friend who disappeared, like maybe it
Speaker 1: was one of those things where she kind of knew
Speaker 1: something suspicious must have happened.
Speaker 3: Didn't want to get implicated.
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, Elkins, who had sold Melrose plastics in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two, moved to Boca Raton with his wife. He's
Speaker 1: also the father of three kids, but I can't find
Speaker 1: out whether they were born like pre or post the murder,
Speaker 1: so I just know that they exist. It was at
Speaker 1: his retirement home in a condominium community where he was
Speaker 1: interrogated by Nassau County homicide investigators on September ninth, a
Speaker 1: week after the body had been discovered. Detective Sergeant Robert Edwards,
Speaker 1: who was a Deputy chief of the NASA County Homicide Squad,
Speaker 1: questioned Elkins, with a partner for an hour and a half.
Speaker 1: At first, they said he would just kind of stare
Speaker 1: at them when they ask questions and deny any knowledge,
Speaker 1: like he didn't know anything about the barrel. He couldn't
Speaker 1: explain why his name was in her address book that
Speaker 1: was found in the barrel, he said. Eventually, Elkins admitted
Speaker 1: to having a relationship with a young woman at Melrose Plastics.
Speaker 1: He didn't give her name, didn't give a description of her,
Speaker 1: and didn't even specify the kind of relationship that they had.
Speaker 1: So Sergeant Elkins also said that when they asked for
Speaker 1: a DNA swab of his mouth, he declined and police
Speaker 1: told him that they because they police told him we
Speaker 1: planned to compare this with the tissue from the fetus,
Speaker 1: and he also asked the police after he declined the swab,
Speaker 1: he was like, Okay, can you guys leave before my
Speaker 1: wife comes home because I'm going to need to discuss
Speaker 1: this with her as well as quote unquote other sensitive issues.
Speaker 1: So they left, telling him they'd be back the following
Speaker 1: day with a court order for his DNA.
Speaker 3: He was not taken into custody.
Speaker 1: Edwards later said that they didn't really consider him a
Speaker 1: flight risk because he's a seventy one year old man.
Speaker 3: It's that old.
Speaker 1: Seventy one year old people can still take airplanes places.
Speaker 1: The next day, September tenth, Edwards was enlisting the help
Speaker 1: of local Florida Police department when he got the news.
Speaker 1: Elkins had gone to a Walmart, a neighborhood Walmart, bought
Speaker 1: a shotgun and had taken his life in the back
Speaker 1: of a sport explorer at a friend's house in Boca
Speaker 1: Raton at the age of seventy one. He was This
Speaker 1: was twenty hours after police questioned him. So there's kind
Speaker 1: of no doubt in my mind this guy is responsible
Speaker 1: for this crime. His neighbors in Boca were shocked to
Speaker 1: hear that he was involved in the crime. One neighbor
Speaker 1: told the New York Post quote, Howard was very active
Speaker 1: in the community, very much in this social scene. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of the articles described him as like jovial
Speaker 1: and like charming.
Speaker 2: Well, it gives me a lot of attitude when you
Speaker 2: get away with murder, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And the New York Post also reported, which is barely
Speaker 1: to ever be believed, but they also reported that Rena
Speaker 1: was often seen at the Melrose Plastics factory with a
Speaker 1: toddler who was widely believed to have been fathered by Elkins.
Speaker 1: And that's a child who would be fifty six or
Speaker 1: fifty seven today. But the only source I can find
Speaker 1: that in is the New York Post. So I think
Speaker 1: it's either wrong or maybe somebody saw her with like
Speaker 1: one of the children she was nannying at the place,
Speaker 1: but like there's no proof that there's like where would
Speaker 1: that kid be, like if he killed both, you know,
Speaker 1: like where is that kid like just wandering around the earth.
Speaker 1: So investigators think that what happened is Elkins either took
Speaker 1: Raina from her apartment or lured her to the factory somehow,
Speaker 1: but probably took her if she wasn't wearing a jacket
Speaker 1: or boots or anything in the or taking a purse
Speaker 1: with her, and killed her put her body in the barrel.
Speaker 1: Detective Edwards said to CBS, there's no doubt in my
Speaker 1: mind that he's the one that killed this woman. Then
Speaker 1: he brought the barrel home with him because they thought
Speaker 1: he had plans to eventually throw it off of his
Speaker 1: boat into the ocean. But after he filled it with
Speaker 1: all the polystyrene pellets, it was too heavy for him
Speaker 1: to even lift. It was three hundred and forty five pounds,
Speaker 1: so he just shoved it into the crawl space and
Speaker 1: left it there. And I'm wondering if it mummified pretty
Speaker 1: quickly before it could smell, because it was the winter,
Speaker 1: you know, like because it was winter, maybe like it
Speaker 1: she like, because I don't know, there wasn't like any
Speaker 1: nobody complained that there was like a smell coming from
Speaker 1: one of maybe barrels keep that kind of smelling. Who
Speaker 1: fucking knows. In January of two thousand, DNA results and
Speaker 1: did confirm that Elkins was the father of the baby.
Speaker 1: So her remains were flown back to ourselves. It's also
Speaker 1: the family did get some closure.
Speaker 2: Your wife already knows that you cheated on her, why
Speaker 2: do you have to kill this girl.
Speaker 1: The other thing is him taking his own life was
Speaker 1: actually probably uh because like I think even the investigator
Speaker 1: who did the case was like, we probably they could
Speaker 1: not have convicted him in court because just because he's
Speaker 1: the father of the baby, there is no proof he
Speaker 1: killed her, like that is kind of circumstanced.
Speaker 3: In his house. The barrel was in his old house.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: But one article I was reading was like, we might
Speaker 1: not even been able to get him in court, and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, the body was found on your
Speaker 1: own property, like it does feel, but maybe there's reasonable
Speaker 1: doubt maybe the wife did it, you know, like if
Speaker 1: you can't prove, like who knows, who fucking knows. But
Speaker 1: her family was able to get closure finally, and then
Speaker 1: her body was like her mother was like ninety five
Speaker 1: years old, like waiting for her to come back to
Speaker 1: El Salvador, and like so she before she died was
Speaker 1: able to get that closure. There's another case, and it's
Speaker 1: a wild one as well. So July first, nineteen ninety seven, Oakland,
Speaker 1: California firefighters arrived at the home of Stevie Allman, fifty two.
Speaker 1: That's a woman, even though the name is Stevie, which
Speaker 1: is a blaze Okay, the house is on fire big time.
Speaker 1: Stevie is an anti drug crusader and claimed that drug
Speaker 1: dealers had thrown molotov cocktails into her house in an
Speaker 1: attempt to kill her. Greg Hughes, a former Oakland police sergeant,
Speaker 1: told Oxygen that Stevie was quote filming dope deals and prostitution,
Speaker 1: and she wanted to put an end to it end
Speaker 1: quote okay. Her sister, Sarah Mitchell, five years younger at
Speaker 1: age forty seven, also lived in the home, but Stevie said, oh,
Speaker 1: Sarah was scared of all this drug dealer retaliation and
Speaker 1: she's fled to Nevada with her boyfriend. The two sisters
Speaker 1: had grown up in this house with seven other siblings.
Speaker 1: Their dad had walked out on them, and Stevie had
Speaker 1: really helped raise all the younger kids, and even though
Speaker 1: there was a five year age gap. A lot of
Speaker 1: people confused Stevie and Sarah for twins. They looked a
Speaker 1: lot alike, but Sarah struggled. She had a history of theft, prostitution,
Speaker 1: drug abuse, and by her thirty she was divorced with
Speaker 1: three young kids. And it sounds like she kind of
Speaker 1: went from like man to man like she fell in
Speaker 1: love very easily.
Speaker 3: It never worked out.
Speaker 1: She always ended up back home with her mom and Stevie,
Speaker 1: and then when their mom passed away, she left the
Speaker 1: house to her kids, and Stevie bought out all the
Speaker 1: other siblings and became sole owner of the house.
Speaker 3: You know, sto my goddamn house.
Speaker 1: You know, very uh Kim and Kyle Richards, But Stevie
Speaker 1: owned the house and she let Sarah keep living there.
Speaker 1: So the story of a woman and attacked by drug
Speaker 1: dealers kind of spread and people were angry that this
Speaker 1: woman who had tried to like valiantly protect her community
Speaker 1: was now being violently attacked. And they were like, crime
Speaker 1: is destroying the city. You know, there's that narrative all
Speaker 1: the time. People sent thousands of dollars in donations to Stevie.
Speaker 1: And what I read was she even got a call
Speaker 1: from the White House. I don't know if that means that,
Speaker 1: like a secretary called her from the White House or
Speaker 1: a president a vice.
Speaker 3: I have no idea, but somebody called her from the
Speaker 3: White House.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the authorities are investigating and they're finding some weird stuff.
Speaker 1: They're like, first of all, all the drug dealers deny
Speaker 1: knowing about this fire. None of them even like know
Speaker 1: who Stevie is. They don't even know anything about the
Speaker 1: videos being taken. Then they start to notice inaccurate inaccuracies
Speaker 1: in her story, like the way that the glass was
Speaker 1: broken was like opposite of how a Molotov cocktail would
Speaker 1: be thrown in, So like, what's going on? Then Leotta Belleville,
Speaker 1: Stevie and Sarah's sister filed a missing person's report for
Speaker 1: Stevie and they told they told her, oh, no, Stevie's
Speaker 1: in the hospital, and she's like, naw doog, that's Sarah
Speaker 1: in the hospital.
Speaker 3: And Leata said that Stevie was.
Speaker 1: Not the kind of person to be an anti drug crusader,
Speaker 1: she would have just minded her own business and looked
Speaker 1: the other way. She's like, I know Stevie would not
Speaker 1: be getting involved in people's business, and people want to
Speaker 1: fucking get handies in the car. I'm not fucking with that.
Speaker 1: So Leata is like, something is up here. So eventually
Speaker 1: Leatta talked to Sarah, who told her, Oh, no, I'm
Speaker 1: just posing as Stevie because I don't have insurance right now,
Speaker 1: and like I need them to pay for my injuries
Speaker 1: from the fire or for like whatever the house. I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't have insurance. So then she's like, well,
Speaker 1: so where is Stevie? And they ask Sarah and Sarah goes, oh,
Speaker 1: she's in like Tahoe. No, wait, she's in Reno. So
Speaker 1: Leata is concerned. She's like, my sister is like lying
Speaker 1: about where Stevie is. So she knew things had gotten
Speaker 1: tense between the sisters, like Stevie was annoyed that Sarah
Speaker 1: was lazy, didn't work, like lived rent free in the house.
Speaker 1: Stevie was also considering moving away from Oakland, which panicked
Speaker 1: Sarah was like, what where does that leave me?
Speaker 3: Like where am I going to go?
Speaker 1: So they bring in Sarah and she's still claiming to
Speaker 1: be Stevie and she's like no, no, no, Leonta was
Speaker 1: just having a kooky night, like she knows I'm Stevie.
Speaker 3: And then they're like, okay, cool, can we see ID?
Speaker 1: And she not twins right, no five year age difference,
Speaker 1: but look a lot alike. So she has IDs in
Speaker 1: her wallet for both Sarah and Stevie. So then they
Speaker 1: fingerprint her and confirm she's Sarah. She has a record,
Speaker 1: like you know, they have her prints on file, so
Speaker 1: they arrest her for forgery and providing a false ID.
Speaker 1: But now where the hell is Stevie? They go look
Speaker 1: into Stevie. Her bank accounts have been drained, okay. When
Speaker 1: they get security footage from the bank, they can see
Speaker 1: it's Sarah making the transactions to take out all this money.
Speaker 1: They search her house for clues, and that's where they
Speaker 1: find Done Done, Stevie's dismembered body in the freezer. They discovered,
Speaker 1: based on forensic evidence, that Stevie had been killed in
Speaker 1: her bedroom and then dismembered in the bathroom. So on
Speaker 1: July t twenty third, like three weeks after this fire
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety seven, Sarah is charged with Stevie's murder.
Speaker 1: The trial begins in November of two thousand, which it
Speaker 1: just goes to show you the hilarious quickness of this
Speaker 1: of these episodes of SVU, like, her trial doesn't happen
Speaker 1: for three fucking years. Prosecutors argued that on June thirtieth,
Speaker 1: the day before the fire bombing, Sarah walked into Stevie's bedroom,
Speaker 1: bludgeoned her to death while she slept, then brought her
Speaker 1: into the bathroom and chopped her into pieces. So this
Speaker 1: did not This trial did not last very long. She
Speaker 1: was found guilty at first Yew murder. This is interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a California thing. I
Speaker 1: don't think California does the death penalty anymore, but at
Speaker 1: this time I guess there was some kind of thing
Speaker 1: where she could have been eligible for death by lethal
Speaker 1: injection because she profited financially from the death, which is
Speaker 1: a weird thing that they clause or whatever.
Speaker 3: I think. Now it's gone.
Speaker 1: But her family, though, spoke at the trial and asked
Speaker 1: for mercy for her when it came to the death penalty.
Speaker 1: They said they'd already been through enough pain. They didn't
Speaker 1: want to lose another sister, so she was eventually sentenced
Speaker 1: to life in prison without parole. And that is the
Speaker 1: story of.
Speaker 3: Stevie sucks. So this like Sarah fucking Stevie Ollman and
Speaker 3: Sarah Mitchell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just was lazy, didn't want to pay for
Speaker 2: stuff and decided I'm gonna kill my sister.
Speaker 3: Psycho.
Speaker 2: You're being chopped apart by her sister in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night in her bed.
Speaker 3: Hugh, I know these two are fucked.
Speaker 1: Both these crimes, I know, and I had never heard
Speaker 1: of either of them, and like, honestly, both of them,
Speaker 1: both of them kind of even though the crime happened
Speaker 1: in the sixties, the discovery of the body was in
Speaker 1: the late nineties, like two years before this episode aired.
Speaker 1: And then same with the ninety seven is when this
Speaker 1: doll stuff, this Sarah and Stevie stuff happened.
Speaker 3: So this would be a good movie, honestly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's the movie with Jack Black where his mother's and
Speaker 1: the freezer Orange County?
Speaker 3: Oh? In the freezer? Oh, Bernie, Bernie. Yeah, we've talked
Speaker 3: about this movie.
Speaker 2: When I first saw that movie in the movie theater,
Speaker 2: I remember not good it And now it's like one
Speaker 2: of my favors.
Speaker 3: I do a rewatch over Fears. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 3: need to rewatch it. When I watched it, I was like,
Speaker 3: what's happening? But I liked it. It was like quirky.
Speaker 3: I remember that my mom. But that's a good movie
Speaker 3: to remember.
Speaker 2: If Jack Black shows up in cinema Trix, Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: these are sad. I do think this would be a
Speaker 2: fun movie. Yeah. Yeah, the barrel is sad. You just
Speaker 2: have a barrel and you has no one seen Dexter
Speaker 2: at this point. Clearly, I'm not letting a loose barrel
Speaker 2: in my house. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: So like, but it's also like what you were saying
Speaker 1: Aboutana Reina, Like what is your point of killing her?
Speaker 1: Your wife knows now, Like I guess, well he's a killer.
Speaker 1: You don't want to with the child, like but you've
Speaker 1: but you've been keeping her in an apartment. Why don't
Speaker 1: you or when she first told you that she was
Speaker 1: pregnant or whatever, if that was Oh, it's control.
Speaker 2: He likes the idea of her being there pregnant, having
Speaker 2: his kid with his factory.
Speaker 3: But once she like, but I don't know why she uh, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's fucked anyway, no guests today, so we can just
Speaker 1: dive right into our postmart. I'm talking about this wild
Speaker 1: episode and the crimes, all right, So.
Speaker 3: I don't know this episode so wild.
Speaker 1: It is one of my favorites, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that there's a big post mortem takeaway of like what
Speaker 1: did we learn? Don't kill your sister and steal her identity,
Speaker 1: you know, don't. Honestly, I would say, human, if anyone
Speaker 1: wants to bring you to another country, they're gonna entrap you.
Speaker 2: We gotta side. I know people are desperate. Life is hard.
Speaker 2: We want freedoms, we want money, we want to help,
Speaker 2: but they are gonna They're gonna traffic you. Like, no
Speaker 2: one's just bringing you to a Marria from the goodness
Speaker 2: of their heart unless it's me. If you find me
Speaker 2: and where in Romania together, you can trust me, I will,
Speaker 2: I will get you in. But yeah, I just we
Speaker 2: got but I understand the desperation, but we got no
Speaker 2: no one's no one's doing it for fun, like and
Speaker 2: if if it's your money back guarantee, of course you're
Speaker 2: gonna be indebted. Yeah, I was wondering. I mean, this
Speaker 2: episode scary but also men, you should notice if your
Speaker 2: wife is swapped out for another human being, even if
Speaker 2: they look identical, Like you're married to this woman and
Speaker 2: she's the bitch. Like, that's what's shocking to me. She
Speaker 2: tricked you. You didn't realize it wasn't your dear wife
Speaker 2: for three years. Yet she's the bitch. I know, Like,
Speaker 2: did they make a different noise as you fucked? Like
Speaker 2: I don't even understand.
Speaker 1: Like they also sounded like such different people, Like nothing
Speaker 1: ever slipped. She was like, let's go to Atlantic City
Speaker 1: and gamble, like there was nothing ever.
Speaker 3: Like one girl was like a party animal. The other one, well,
Speaker 3: she wasn't.
Speaker 2: She was trying to just get her sister out. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's what we learned at the end of it. All
Speaker 2: is like that, oh, that wasn't about the nightlife. It
Speaker 2: was about conning men for money to buy her sister
Speaker 2: out of human trafficking.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if that's the case, then why would
Speaker 1: the good sister not have just like explain that to
Speaker 1: the husband, like, oh, by the way, our other sister
Speaker 1: is like being held and that's why she goes around
Speaker 1: dating and all this. She's trying to get him out
Speaker 1: dat do you want to contribute some money to it?
Speaker 1: Like do you want to help me get my sister out?
Speaker 1: Like well, I think.
Speaker 2: It's like they didn't want to implicate them because then
Speaker 2: what if they were killed? But also he must know
Speaker 2: he used the service.
Speaker 1: Yes, he used a service and was one of the
Speaker 1: good guys. I guess, like the show guy, he didn't
Speaker 1: realize there was a body swap, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean. I just feel like.
Speaker 1: Good guys, I'm using good guys is a very low bar,
Speaker 1: Like he's not a Slee's ball with a pool table
Speaker 1: telling his wife to like bring service, like you know,
Speaker 1: bring things to the cops.
Speaker 2: But he also still wanted a traditional wife. I mean,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, she's cooking and cleaning
Speaker 2: and raising a child. Like it is a conditional it's
Speaker 2: a conditional relationship on the.
Speaker 3: Things that you do.
Speaker 1: And how quick do you think that guy's gonna be
Speaker 1: back on some other service being like I need help
Speaker 1: get me away. I can't raise this daughter on my
Speaker 1: own and I just kicked up her aunt out of
Speaker 1: our lives, so somebody helped me quick. He's on something,
Speaker 1: He's on another, but then it's on Romanian mingle dot
Speaker 1: com or something.
Speaker 2: But like, I also want this aunt to be able
Speaker 2: the aunt, the two girls women to be able to
Speaker 2: see their niece. Like, I hope this fucker doesn't keep
Speaker 2: the niece away. But imagine how confusing.
Speaker 1: Imagine how confusing for her like to be like, this
Speaker 1: is your aunt, your mom died, And then you're like,
Speaker 1: but mom, Like this is the person I've been calling
Speaker 1: mom for the entire time I've been able to create memories.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the dad should get over himself and
Speaker 2: next time, maybe don't buy a wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or maybe start dating your your sister in law
Speaker 1: and see what happened.
Speaker 3: He just was awful.
Speaker 2: It's like you know about their orphanages and abuse and
Speaker 2: the trafficking and everything, and you're still just like, how
Speaker 2: do you live with yourself?
Speaker 3: And it's like she clearly lives with a lot of guilt, sir.
Speaker 1: Everything she's done, Yes, everything she's done has been for
Speaker 1: her family.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I also hated the detectives. They were so against.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also love an episode where a rare
Speaker 1: orchid is.
Speaker 3: What brings down the perp, Like that's that's we got.
Speaker 1: We got a botany expert on the staff, like, I
Speaker 1: love this, I love our kids. They're they're a high
Speaker 1: maintenance flower, true, and I don't even think they're that pretty,
Speaker 1: like it must just be like a floral community thing.
Speaker 1: Like they're fine, but I wouldn't do all that effort
Speaker 1: for them. I don't get it. Too many sticks, not
Speaker 1: enough blooms. Yes, absolutely they are, like I think they
Speaker 1: are like a fancy gift like I've been I my
Speaker 1: parents have received them. In it it's always like ooh,
Speaker 1: you know, but then it is a lot of fucking
Speaker 1: work anyways, should we get into our mind? I just
Speaker 1: think they're over blown.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, except these these orchids look like monkeys.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 1: I like that there's a there's a corpse flower blooming
Speaker 1: at the Huntington Garden soon. Do you know about those? No?
Speaker 3: I only know. Is it the one that like that's
Speaker 3: a flag trap one? I don't know.
Speaker 1: The corpse flower is like this big. There's one at
Speaker 1: the Huntington Garden and it's like supposed to bloom like
Speaker 1: any day.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Again, this is time machine, so maybe it we'll have
Speaker 1: already bloomed. But when they bloom, apparently it smells like
Speaker 1: absolute shit. But they're beautiful, and it looks, it looks.
Speaker 1: It happens very quickly, like people are buying. I think
Speaker 1: people are buying tickets to see it. Oh and it
Speaker 1: only okay, it only blooms every seven years, so I
Speaker 1: guess that's why it's a big, a big deal.
Speaker 3: That's why it's a big deal. So well, I'm looking
Speaker 3: at this thing.
Speaker 2: And what's cool about this stinky flower that it smells
Speaker 2: different to everyone.
Speaker 3: It's like sele.
Speaker 2: So to some people smells like stinky cheese or boiled cabbage.
Speaker 2: Not bad, to some as garlic. I wouldn't hate that.
Speaker 2: But then then it gets dark. Then it's rotting fish
Speaker 2: for some, sweaty socks for others. And then to some
Speaker 2: it's actually a sweet flower stunt, so that's cool. And
Speaker 2: it smells to a tract nighttime pollinators like flesh flies,
Speaker 2: carrion beetles, and sweet bees sweat bees. What needs to
Speaker 2: get those nasty, nasty insects out there so that they
Speaker 2: can spread out their seed?
Speaker 3: Really kinky situation. I'll be on.
Speaker 2: Oh there's listen, there's a corpse flower merch shop. I'm
Speaker 2: clicking it.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right, okay, let's move on to
Speaker 1: our what would Sister Peg do?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we direct you to
Speaker 1: a a article, an organization, something that gives you more
Speaker 1: information about what we talked about in today's episode. But
Speaker 1: let's be honest, like today's episode about you know, killing
Speaker 1: twin sisters and being killed by Romanian diplomats and stuff,
Speaker 1: it like really did not to me have a clear
Speaker 1: angle for charity as we like to lean and what
Speaker 1: would Sister Peg do? And so I decided that since
Speaker 1: this episode's coming out July thirtieth, which is back to
Speaker 1: school time is upon us. I hate to say it,
Speaker 1: I wanted to direct you guys towards our instagram where
Speaker 1: we are helping teachers clear their lists.
Speaker 3: So if you don't know.
Speaker 1: About this, teachers in a lot of the United States
Speaker 1: don't have enough money to buy supplies for their classrooms,
Speaker 1: are not given or not budgeted that and so they
Speaker 1: are expected to not expected. But I think if they
Speaker 1: want to have a productive school year, they oftentimes buy
Speaker 1: things out of their own pockets, and many of them
Speaker 1: create a wish list on Amazon and anybody can go
Speaker 1: in and just buy something quickly. It gets automatically shipped anonymously,
Speaker 1: or you know, you can put a note but like
Speaker 1: you don't find out where they live to them, and
Speaker 1: then we can help people clear their lists and get
Speaker 1: these kids to stuff that they need. We have so
Speaker 1: many teacher listeners and so we've been doing this the
Speaker 1: last couple of summers. So if you go to our Instagram,
Speaker 1: you'll see a highlight that's called teachers with an exclamation
Speaker 1: point and start at the beginning, and that shows you
Speaker 1: exactly how to share your list in a way that
Speaker 1: we can share it. You need to have a public profile,
Speaker 1: you need to share the link and tag us, and
Speaker 1: then we will share it. And then if you're a
Speaker 1: listener and you have a few extra books, just go
Speaker 1: to one of these lists in our story that in
Speaker 1: the highlight that's where we're saving all of them. You
Speaker 1: can click on the link and just go through. Even
Speaker 1: if you can only afford like a pack of post
Speaker 1: its or thumb tacks or something, I think they would
Speaker 1: appreciate any little amount.
Speaker 3: And we've gotten a lot.
Speaker 1: Of appreciative messages from teachers in the past that you
Speaker 1: guys have been awesome with helping with this, So thank you.
Speaker 3: In advance and that's that's that. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2: And next week, I'm not saying this episode Shiraza Haza,
Speaker 2: you have to do it.
Speaker 3: I'm not fucking okay.
Speaker 1: Next week we are doing the episode Shaharazad from season eight,
Speaker 1: episode ten. You know, it's one of Liza's Lee's favorites,
Speaker 1: so I think it's worth tuning in just for Lisa's
Speaker 1: reaction to it.
Speaker 3: It's going to be fun.
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