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Speaker 2: Hi Here White with.

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Speaker 1: The interception, the latest news and notes from the insiders

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Speaker 1: who cover the team.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. Oh

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Speaker 2: that was nasty right there. Rights slam the ground by

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Speaker 2: Fudda Baker Like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 2: I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: All right. I'm gonna start with a question, a genuine

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Speaker 2: inquiry where maybe protocol would say that I should know

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Speaker 4: But do I know to the game show yet, Paul,

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Speaker 4: do I know?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Like Jonathan Gannon would say, I like that so far

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Speaker 2: based on the wise Guys trivia, it's a definite no,

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Speaker 2: no no. As for know, here's my question, and I

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Speaker 2: want an answer. Did the Arizona Cardinals just play in

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Speaker 2: the hottest game in NFL history? No, because I just

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Speaker 2: did a search Darren Urban and somebody did a little

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Speaker 2: blog post and based on their research, Because you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm busy. I don't have time to do all that

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Speaker 2: kind of research. Even though CALVICI consulting the guys over

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Speaker 2: in R and D. They did the top seven hottest

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Speaker 2: games in NFL history. Five date back to Sun Devil Stadium.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe that the Are you around for the

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Speaker 4: Packers game in two thousand and three?

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Speaker 2: No, I was not at that game, but that was

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Speaker 2: one of the games in the list. Might have been

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Speaker 2: number two, had to have been. Number one was Dallas

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Speaker 2: back at Texas Stadium, And there was a rogue game

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Speaker 2: in early September one hundred and nine under an eight

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Speaker 4: That two thousand and three game. I remember it because

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Speaker 4: it was one of the very few games that ever

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Speaker 4: sold out at CNOVL Stadium because it was the Packers. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: as we play the Packers this week, but it was

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Speaker 4: a one pm kickoff and it was like Week three,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't there, but I do remember. I remember, like

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Speaker 2: the tales of Packer fans being heat straw were legendary.

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Speaker 4: It was brutal, and Dexter Jackson picked off Brett fav

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Speaker 2: So I say that because Danny, you were down on

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Speaker 2: of the San Francisco Chronicle photographers, and this is a

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Speaker 4: Interesting, Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry because because on the

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Speaker 4: official game book it lists the kickoff temperature at eighty

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Speaker 2: I mean it's listed as eighty nine degrees.

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Speaker 5: Eighty nine degrees by any account.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out who I feel worse for Danny,

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Speaker 4: who I'm hearing almost died. Is that what happened?

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Speaker 2: Stop it, stop it? Okay? It was.

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Speaker 5: It was brutal, and where we did an hour to

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Speaker 4: Did you have sunscreen on?

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Speaker 2: Paul? Oh? Yeah, I had a lot of sunscreen on. Now,

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Speaker 2: Tom Rinaldi, I'm not so sure. At the end of

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Speaker 4: He was wearing a jacket and tye or was he

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, Danny had Jamal Mahundro's piece of luggage

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Speaker 2: So once again, lists eighty nine degrees. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: of incompetence. Honestly, you know we've been we have that

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Speaker 4: Do we have other stuff? Oh yeah, we got to

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Speaker 2: Okay, remember third.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's right.

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Speaker 2: I remember that the Australian break Dancer was number one

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Speaker 2: And then the latest edition is whoever's responsible for the

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Speaker 2: temperature reading of eighty nine degrees which is literally laughable.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. I've been reading a lot of

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Speaker 5: So has made the list?

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Speaker 2: I see bitcoin. It willed anybody the end of the year,

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Speaker 2: that game, just based on the conditions, because of the

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Speaker 2: there's only one team that could have withstood those conditions

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is an impressive win. And in some

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Speaker 5: And play as well as the Cardinals did against the

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, the Cardinals come out in the second half and

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Speaker 5: Right, but the Cardinals defense forced to shut out in

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Speaker 2: I mean, you look at that second half defense, three

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Speaker 2: my understanding that because walking off the field at halftime,

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Speaker 2: we're good. We're in a dogfight. This is close. And

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Speaker 2: Whether that was like a confidence builder, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but it was cause and effect, because true or false,

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Speaker 2: considering everything against them and the conditions the second half

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Speaker 2: against the Niners Week five? I mean, both sides of

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Speaker 4: I understand.

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Speaker 2: It's like you can know you want to disagree.

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Speaker 4: I know, it's like you completely forgot the Rams first half,

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Speaker 4: But that's okay. Look, I think they played an unbelievable game,

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Speaker 2: of like what I lost in fantasy football this week

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Speaker 5: Impressive. Part of the Cardinals win is every time you

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Speaker 2: You're thinking, Okay, thirty five yard field goal for an

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Speaker 2: And then after the game he told us, and it's

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Speaker 2: that kick, he's having flashbacks to his rookie year, a

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Speaker 2: just like that kick to beat the Giants, and he missed.

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Speaker 2: So think of the mental duress. He's under in that moment,

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Speaker 2: your point about the defense, I mean, nine passes broken

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Speaker 2: arguably your best cornerback, that one was. You know, so

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 4: Cause after a not a great game against Washington.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and so all of a sudden, nine passes broken

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Speaker 2: a lot of different fronts. Question is did the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: how they played it, you know, as it matter of

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Speaker 5: I don't see that as a one off. We've seen

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Speaker 5: It's nice reassurance to know that if you don't have

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Speaker 5: rookie rabbit play. I thought Rabbit looked really good. He

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Speaker 4: forty nine ers. Now again there's circumstances in all those things.

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Speaker 4: Obviously we're thinking the Washington game is probably an outlier.

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Speaker 5: The Cardinals may have found, therefore, rotating outside linebackers that

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Speaker 2: wins for the Cardinals have been some of the biggest

438
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Speaker 2: games for James Connor.

439
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Speaker 4: Oh, I one hundred percent agree. There was a question

440
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Speaker 4: in the mailbag this week about whether James Connor is

441
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 4: the best running back this team has had over consistently

442
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 4: since moving Arizona, and he is if you look. I mean,

443
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 4: I think the only person you could compare him to

444
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 4: and they produced completely differently would be Larry Centers. Other

445
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 4: than that, I do you realize which And it's funny.

446
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 4: For the longest time when I was covering this team,

447
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 4: when I first started covering this team, that you could

448
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 4: count it was very easy to count thousand yard rushers

449
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 4: because there weren't any since moving to Arizona. Again, since

450
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 4: moving to Arizona, there's been only one other player to

451
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 4: have two one thousand yard seasons in an Arizona Cardinals uniform. Really, yep, Okay,

452
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Speaker 4: I don't believe this is a question this week, so

453
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 4: I think we can ask it right now. Do you

454
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Speaker 4: know who that is?

455
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Speaker 2: Paul all right, So wait a minute. The two other

456
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: one thousand yard rushers.

457
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Speaker 4: There's multiple one thousand yard rushers. There's only one guy

458
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 4: who's done it twice. Because the Connor runs for a

459
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 4: thousand this year, he will have two one thousand yard

460
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 4: seasons for the Arizona Cardinals. There's only one guy who's

461
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 4: had two one thousand yard seasons for the Cardinals.

462
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: And it's not Larry Centers.

463
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 4: No, Larry Center's never got there once.

464
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

465
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you see he had all the.

466
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 4: Ronald Moore gods for a thousand yards once upon a time.

467
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 4: Garrison Hurst got a thousand yards once upon.

468
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 2: Tray Morel got it one year, didn't he.

469
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 4: I think Morell might have. Beanie Wells did it once.

470
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 4: David Johnson did it once.

471
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Speaker 2: That's right, Okay, twice? Wow, you got me. That's that's

472
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: the Gamina answers right there. Cardinals running backs Drin James

473
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: really did it twice.

474
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 4: Two thousand and six and two thousand and seven. He

475
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 4: got like eleven hundred and twelve hundred yards. Now in

476
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl year, he didn't play half the year

477
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 4: and got kind of got in Whizz's doghouse and they

478
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 4: went with more tim high Tower and then Edge reemerged

479
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 4: in the playoffs and kicked some butt. But yeah, his

480
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 4: first two years he had thousand yard seasons. He's the

481
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 4: only one to have multiple one thousand yard seasons. So

482
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Speaker 4: when you look at what James Connor has done, which is,

483
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Speaker 4: I'm assuming he gets to one thousand yards this year,

484
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 4: barring injury, he's going to he's well on his way.

485
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Speaker 2: Yep.

486
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Speaker 4: Okay, so he's gonna have back to back one thousand

487
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Speaker 4: yard seasons. In twenty twenty two, he didn't get a thousand,

488
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 4: I'm forgetting what he did in twenty twenty two. In

489
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, he didn't get to one thousand yards,

490
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 4: but he had eighteen touchdowns like he is. And whatever

491
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 4: he did in twenty twenty two, I think it was

492
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 4: he had a solid season. It wasn't great, but nothing

493
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 4: was great for this team over time, I can't name

494
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 4: a running back who's been better. And more importantly, it

495
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 4: goes back to what you said, Paul, which is he

496
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 4: has got that fits vibe of being the heart and

497
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: soul of the team. You know, I think I've said

498
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 4: it before on these airwaves there's a there's a cool

499
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 4: factor of James Connor. He's the dude you want to

500
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 4: be friends with if you're on the team, and he

501
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 4: is absolutely the dude that you want to do everything

502
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 4: in your power to help him get forward when he's

503
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 4: running like he did on Sunday. If you're Greg Dortch,

504
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 4: how would you not want to try and go take

505
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 4: out Nick Bosa watching what Greg James Connor is doing.

506
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 4: I'm not saying Greg Dortch is doing that, but you

507
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 4: know you'd want to.

508
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 5: You know that every time James Connor has the ball

509
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 5: in his hand, you are going to get one hundred

510
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 5: and ten percent every single time. He is the heart

511
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 5: and soul of that offense and the pride that he

512
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 5: takes in his skill and what he adds to this team.

513
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 5: Connor is not one of the running backs who wants

514
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 5: to be shifty and juke all these players. He looks

515
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 5: for contact. He likes contact and feels like he gets

516
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 5: better as the game goes on and he gets tackled. However,

517
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 5: he forced nine mistackles and Sunday's win against the forty

518
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 5: nine ers. He gets those dirty yards and that's why

519
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 5: the players respect him and that's why they want to

520
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 5: block for him, not even just the offensive lineman. How

521
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 5: could you not want to block for running back who

522
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 5: you know is going to do everything in his power

523
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 5: to get those extra dirty yards that you need.

524
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Speaker 2: What sort of running back is an offensive lineman's favorite?

525
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: The running back that doesn't go down on first contact, right,

526
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: and Connor doesn't go down on first contact, second contact,

527
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: sometimes third and fourth contact. That's that's how he runs.

528
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, if he had gone down on first contract, will

529
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 4: her name is, it would be not her?

530
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's just get to it.

531
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 5: I did it dampen the mood?

532
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 2: Darren ripped the band aid off.

533
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 4: I watched that play like three times, and somehow Nick

534
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 4: Bosa trying to tackle James Connor, he bounced off James

535
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 4: Connor so violently that he flew into the back of

536
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 4: will hernana'z legs. I've never seen something like that where

537
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 4: a guy wasn't intentionally like diving at a guy's legs,

538
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 4: but he came off of Connor that way.

539
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: So all right, how do you assess the Cardinals' future

540
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: in the trenches? You're missing now the right side of

541
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: your line, Jonah Williams and will Hernandez look and Calvin beacham.

542
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: I was shocked, I'll say it. I was shocked how

543
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: many times he was one on one against Nick Bosa

544
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: against the forty nine ers and Nick Bosa had one pressure.

545
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 5: Nick Bosa didn't do it off twenty six pass rushes.

546
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 4: Nick Bosa didn't do anything this again.

547
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: He had a career low game. So okay, So because look,

548
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 2: you're going into the sage and you're like, oh, ok,

549
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: Beach is the ultimate veteran, great swing tackle, but really

550
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: his purpose is to get you through a game. Can

551
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 2: he get you through a seasonause that's what he's now

552
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: tasked with. Ye, And now you're gonna have to do

553
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: it at right guard as well. With I'm gonna guess

554
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: it's Tristan Colone. We'll see, considering he started four games

555
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: last year, and he played a bunch of other ones,

556
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: and he is a veteran with a number of snaps.

557
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: It's just too risky. Isaiah Adams, from what we see,

558
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: doesn't look ready yet. And what are the other options.

559
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: I don't know. Christian Jones, even if he was healthy,

560
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: you're not moving him inside. He made that clear when

561
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: he met the media after the draft, he's a tackle.

562
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 4: I mean to me, to me, you have three choices.

563
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 4: Who's on the roster right now? You could either you

564
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: keep Colone there, which I think is what's gonna happen.

565
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 4: You could in theory use John Gaines.

566
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 5: Why are you looking at me?

567
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, And or you could use Atoms, which

568
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 4: I would agree. Well, who's hurt right now himself, But

569
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's ready. You know, again, if

570
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 4: you're if it's late in the season and your record

571
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 4: is five and ten, maybe in this case, maybe use

572
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 4: Isaiah Adams. But this is a team that's about to

573
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 4: go to Green Bay with a crucial game when in

574
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 4: terms of early season trying to be smart about being

575
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 4: the playoff hunt.

576
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: All right, so Danny Darren looks like he needs a

577
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: hot take. Do you trade for an offensive lineman? Remember

578
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: the trade deadline in the NFL is election day. So

579
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: you have just over a month away, just under a

580
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: month away. Do you trade? Oh, I don't know, name

581
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: some names, calvc is, Zay Jones. He puts a game

582
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: on film. And if your offense has gotten by with

583
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: these three main receivers, maybe next year fairly deep a

584
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: last in terms of numbers at outside linebacker. You know,

585
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: do you make a deal for an offensive lineman considering

586
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: the dire injury circumstances you're now missing your starting right side.

587
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: Here's the deal I take with mister hot take over there.

588
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 4: I don't see anybody giving you an offensive lineman unless

589
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 4: it's for a decent draft pick, which you probably don't

590
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 4: want to give up. A decent offensive lineman that you're

591
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 4: gonna be able to tell me, Yeah, he's definitely better

592
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 4: than Tristan cologne. You're not gonna get it. I mean,

593
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 4: I I had mail bag questions similarly, like what are

594
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: they going to do at offensive line? Don't they have

595
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: to make a trade? No, if there are guys out

596
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: there that are available, And I could be wrong, but

597
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure I'm not. Maybe you can clip that one,

598
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: Almo if there are guys out there that are Somebody

599
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 4: said that the phrase was a good and dependable offensive

600
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 4: lineman that we need to go get. I'm like, if

601
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 4: you have a good and dependable offensive lineman, he's already

602
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: starting for your own team, why would he's not gonna

603
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: be on on the street.

604
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: Injuries are rampant across the.

605
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: When when We're watching Red Zone and doing the radio

606
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 4: on Sunday mornings, and I'm like, I'm watching him, like, oh,

607
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 4: there's another offensive lineman that went down. There's another offensive

608
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 4: lineman that went down. There are no guy, there's nobody

609
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: out there. That's why you need to build something in

610
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: the off season that you can work with. I don't

611
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 4: see them making a move.

612
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: The key to your offensive line is the QB run game,

613
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: So maybe we'll go there. The key is is Kyler

614
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: Murray doing to the rest of the league the rest

615
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: of the season what he just did to the forty

616
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: nine ers, and that is keeping him more than honest.

617
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: He took it fifty yards and with forty yards to go,

618
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: he signaled to the sky sort of Jimmy Hendrick's style.

619
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: Google that one up, young crunks and.

620
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, don't.

621
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: Then went into I had to give Wolf a shout

622
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: out for the mohawk. I had to give one shout out.

623
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: I didn't want to mention the mohawk, all right, I

624
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: don't want to, but I thought I'd give him a

625
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: shout out a roundabout way. And then he gets into

626
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: the end zone and he's still yapping and barking. That's

627
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: when Tom Renaldy came out to me. He's like, you

628
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: see that over there? And then Jim Momhunter got great audio.

629
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: I guess they caught him and it was all clean.

630
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: But Kyler was very competitive in the moment against Niners

631
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: Nation the faithful as they call him. What's more nauseating

632
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: the Seattle fans calling themselves the twelves or the Niners

633
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: fans calling themselves the faithful. I'll get back down that one.

634
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: But with Kyler, I tell you what, you know, what

635
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: if you if you go to a thought bubble over

636
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: the finger to the sky at the forty yard line,

637
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 2: the thought bubble would be something like this, I've got

638
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: your one rushing attempt for three yards right here. Because

639
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: he was sick and tired of hearing that question all week,

640
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: folks like us going, oh jeez, Kyler, you only ran

641
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: at one time on the very first series for three yards.

642
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: You're like, yep, I got that right here. Let's end

643
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: this now. On the first drive, second play.

644
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 4: We weren't wrong when we asked about it. Number one.

645
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 4: I'm just going to say that too rhetorical, Paul is

646
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: the best place I know.

647
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 5: There are very few quarterbacks that have the speed to

648
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 5: be able to point to the end zone up high

649
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 5: forty four yards to go, knowing that you were going

650
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 5: to score touchdown with your legs despite having three defenders

651
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 5: right by you, and Guyler Murray's one of them that's

652
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 5: able to pull it off. Big props to tight end

653
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 5: Elijah Higgins for a really crucial block on that one,

654
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 5: and running back James Connor postgame had left and said, yeah,

655
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 5: I didn't know if he was signaling early or wanting something,

656
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 5: but hey, if he's fast enough to do it, he's

657
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 5: the only one who can do it. And Murray is

658
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 5: fast enough because he hit twenty two miles per hour,

659
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 5: which is the fastest by a quarterback in eight years.

660
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: That was impressive. I mean it really was. It was

661
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: someone had asked me, you know what, Darren, I'm gonna

662
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: pose this question to you, okay, because I'm about to

663
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: lose in wise guy trivia, so maybe i'll win this one.

664
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: Name another player in your lifetime that you've seen do that?

665
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: Do what signal like, you know, with thirty forty fifty

666
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: yards to go, like I got this, you know, tapping himself,

667
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: you know, giving himself promising I.

668
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: Don't know if it was thirty I think back in

669
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: that If you think back in the day, Paul, I'm

670
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 4: pretty sure we saw Dion doing it a little early.

671
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: That's the answer I gave. That's the only other person

672
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: I've seen do that, just because Dion knew he was

673
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: by far the fastest dude on the field. Yes, and

674
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: so we had that confidence D.

675
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 4: On the player, which I somewhat enjoyed, not necessarily a

676
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 4: D on the coach, which I would prefer to pass

677
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 4: along possible.

678
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I tak college football right now, but somebody's

679
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: alma mater on National TV Saturday night blew like a thirtie.

680
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: I had such high hopes for your Golden Bear.

681
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: You know, we killed it on game day, killed it absolutely.

682
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: I mean, my good The signs were epic.

683
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 4: It signs the social media. I got to give big

684
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 4: props to you all the way up until the end

685
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 4: of the game.

686
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: I like the kids sign and said, you guys are

687
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: blocking the library. That was a good one. There was

688
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: another one that was like I came for that. I

689
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: thought this was a protest. That was another sign right

690
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: there on the masses. And then that was the one

691
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: we do lines of code.

692
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 4: I gotta be honest. I wasn't gonna bring up college

693
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 4: football because my Sun Devils had a nice, nice win,

694
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 4: and I didn't want to bring that up around you guys,

695
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 4: so I just.

696
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, Well, let's make sure that doesn't carry

697
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: over into wise Guy Trivia. Darren, you're winning ends.

698
00:33:54,400 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: Now it's time for wise Guy, the World's Bestest Growing

699
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: Cardinals quiz show. The stakes are low, the winner gets

700
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing.

701
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: Here's your hostess with the mostess.

702
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: Denny's sir, right.

703
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 5: After a complaint by one of the contestants last week

704
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 5: that the questions are personally attacking him all that we

705
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 5: are picking questions for you purposely, Paul, We're changing up

706
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 5: the rules a little bit. Just the logistics, Okay.

707
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: I'd have some sort of plausible explanation slash excuse because

708
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: there are seven one win teams in the NFL, and

709
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: then there's me winless.

710
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 5: So Darren one he will He's won every week, so

711
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 5: Darren will continue to decide whether or not he receives

712
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 5: or defers the first question. However, when it is your

713
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 5: turn to ask a question, you will give me a

714
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 5: number one through four, and that will randomize the questions.

715
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 5: So does does that appease you a little more?

716
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 2: Paul?

717
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 5: I see I was insinuating it was an inside dandy

718
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 5: Isabella question fell to your lap last week.

719
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that was an emmy. That was an epic emmy.

720
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: The indie Isabella right in my and I dropped it.

721
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: It was just a drop pass in the open field.

722
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: I dropped it. Okay, that's cool. Uh, Paul, the body

723
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 2: catcher that was so last week. Let's go bring it.

724
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 4: I'm going to defer, Danny.

725
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 5: I'm going to defer great Paul.

726
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 2: Pick a number three.

727
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 5: Okay, here's your first question. Packers fans where what food

728
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 5: on top of their head?

729
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: Is this for real? Cheese heads?

730
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 4: Oh?

731
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 5: He's finally on the board, Thank goodness.

732
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, now that come on, that's uh, I'm almost

733
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: ashamed of that one. You guys like trying to get

734
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: me out of the gate, like you know, it's just

735
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: still a little spoon feeding him that one there to

736
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: try and get him on the board. Okay, you want

737
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: your real question. My goodness, it's almost like Darren's playing

738
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: me in twenty one and he's giving me like a

739
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: seven point lead or something.

740
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 5: What number did you choose?

741
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: I choose three.

742
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 5: I chose Okay, here's your real question, Paul. Now they

743
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 5: know what it feels like to get a question right.

744
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: Oh so that was a full question. Oh my goodness,

745
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: that's cool. You know what, if I had sleeves right now,

746
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: I'd be rolling them up. Let's go.

747
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 4: Here we go. Go real quick, though, real quick. Paul

748
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: is winning the picks, so we can throw this in

749
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 4: because I want him to feel better. He went nine

750
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 4: and four last week, one game better than me, So

751
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: you now have the lead on your own in the

752
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 4: picks for this.

753
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: You know who I am right now, I'm Dennis Gardak.

754
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: The play before he got he batted that pass. He

755
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: came to the sideline. Somebody did something untoward to Dennis Gardek.

756
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: He was all I ran and forty nine er did

757
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 4: something untoward and.

758
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 2: Then he checked back into the game. He was hot

759
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: and boom. We got up there and deflected the pass

760
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: and made a play. I'm about to do the same.

761
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: Let's go on.

762
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 5: Here we go. In the twenty fifteen NFC Divisional game

763
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 5: against the Packers, Carson Palmer three five yard touchdown pass

764
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 5: to Larry Fitzgerald to send the Cardinals to the NFC

765
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 5: Championship game. What was the name of the game winning play?

766
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 4: Call?

767
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: All right? Was the shovel pass. They've been practicing it

768
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 2: every Friday for two years. The earlier seventy five yarder

769
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: was Hail Larry. At least that's what it was dubbed.

770
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: What was the thinking shovel pass? And what was it called?

771
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: There was Adriane Wilson in the end zone pretty much

772
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: strangling Larry once he got the um What was it?

773
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: It was called the fifth Special?

774
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 5: Darren has the opportunity to steal.

775
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: I gotta be honest, I'm drawing a blank.

776
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 5: Wow. Shovel Loki shovel Oki.

777
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: I did not recall that I had.

778
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 4: If I knew that once upon a time, I don't.

779
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 4: Usually if I hear it, I'm like, oh yeah, I

780
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 4: have no. I don't know if I ever knew that.

781
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: Okay, that's next thing, Darren.

782
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 4: Number one.

783
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm not sure Larry Fitzgerald remembers the name of that play.

784
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. I was.

785
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 4: She brought it up, and I'm like, Okay, there's all

786
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 4: these different parts of the play, and then I'm like,

787
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: I'm not remembering that one.

788
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 5: Okay. Question Number one.

789
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 4: Yes.

790
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 5: In the two thousand and nine NFC Wildcard game, the

791
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 5: Cardinals beat the Backers in a fifty one forty five

792
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 5: overtime thriller. In that game, about Kurt Warner through five

793
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 5: touchdown passes to three different receivers.

794
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 4: Name the receiver, Wow, Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Preston, early set.

795
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 5: Three for three. Nice job, Darren, thank you the early

796
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 5: du set.

797
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: He earned it. He earned it with the early du said,

798
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: I'd like to uh scream foul, but no, he earned it. Okay,

799
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: that's nice.

800
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 5: You want number two or four?

801
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 4: But I think catches.

802
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: You know, you know, the opposition gets paid to every

803
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: time they make it. You know, once in a while

804
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: they make a play. Let's go.

805
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 5: Do you want number two or four?

806
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: Obviously I'm going four.

807
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 5: Okay. After spending his first six seasons in Green Bay,

808
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 5: this North Pole, Alaska native three seasons with the Cardinals.

809
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 2: Can you name him, Darren College Paul's on the board

810
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: for you. Okay.

811
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: Yes.

812
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: He told us about his reindeer in North Pole, Alaska

813
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: that he had on the gred rage. I do remember that. Okay,

814
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: there you go.

815
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: The he didn't spell the first name right.

816
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: Twenty years of morning radio sleep deprivation did not wipe

817
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: away that memory.

818
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 4: Okay, Darren, Okay.

819
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 5: In the twenty fifteen NFC Divisional playoff game, the Cardinals

820
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 5: defeated the Packers twenty six to twenty in an instant classic.

821
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 5: But before the Cardinals secured the win, Packers quarterback Aaron

822
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 5: Rodgers connected on two hail mary's at the end of

823
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 5: regulation to send the game to overtime. Name the Packers

824
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 5: player who was on the receiving end of both hail mary's,

825
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 5: Schroeder incorrect. Paul has the opportunity to steal this could

826
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 5: be your first win of the season.

827
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: Paul, Oh, my goodness, I remember the guy jumping up

828
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: right there instead of right in front of Justin Bethel.

829
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: It was Jeff mmmm my goodness. M yeah, I know,

830
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: you know, Jeff Alongo.

831
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 5: No idea, right, Paul, Jeff janis.

832
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 4: All my Packer cover Packer reporter friends would be very

833
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 4: disappointed in me for the first time.

834
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 5: We're going to this season of wise, guys, We're going

835
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 5: to a legitimate tiebreaker, not just because we're doing it

836
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 5: for fun.

837
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 4: So we got to write this down. Is that the

838
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 4: idea I believe?

839
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: So you know what I conveniently left a pen elsewhere.

840
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: So okay, all right, that's cool. This is where my

841
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: conditioning takes over. I firmly believe that it's over time.

842
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: Let's go.

843
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 5: I will write something down and then closest to the

844
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 5: number wins. Here we go. We can go over though,

845
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 5: all all owt it? Okay, including playoffs? How many career

846
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 5: touchdowns did Larry Fitzgerald have against the Packers? Including playoffs?

847
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 5: How many career touchdowns did Larry Fitzgerald have against the Packers? Okay,

848
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 5: Darren has written down his answer and has kindly handed

849
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 5: over his pen to Paul.

850
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 2: Oh okay, hmmm, all right, okay, here we go. Paul,

851
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: I just showed her number one.

852
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 4: Oh no, I said seven.

853
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 5: The correct answer is six, three in the regular season

854
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 5: and three in the playoffs.

855
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: I thought it was playoffs. Okay, I thought it was

856
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 2: playoffs only said even if I heard playoffs, only my

857
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: one otherwise one. To be fair, anyway, I screwed up.

858
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 4: The question playoffs only would he had two in the

859
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: nine game? We just got through talking about it, and

860
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 4: then he got the shovel.

861
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: I remember the shovel, and then uh.

862
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 4: Remember she said Kurt Warner threw all those touchdown passes

863
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 4: in the other game, and I said, fits, oh yeah.

864
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: The five and the four in completions including the playoffs.

865
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 5: Lair Fizgerald for screen Bay. Six games, thirty catches, four

866
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty six yards and six touchdowns.

867
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 4: And how many games?

868
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 5: Six games?

869
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 4: That's not bad.

870
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 5: Congratulations Darren undefeated. But Paul is on the board, and that.

871
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna be a good sportsman. That

872
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: was sports he was gonna give me.

873
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 4: You know, no one has ever good sports.

874
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: Little fist bump and nothing. I get Jack over here.

875
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: It's cool there there, there are there are things I

876
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 2: don't remember.

877
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 5: Hang on. For those not watching the video, Darren put

878
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 5: his fist off for a fist bump and put it

879
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 5: down as Paul put his up, and then Paul put down.

880
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 5: So each and you just left each other hanging.

881
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: O.

882
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 5: Carry on, segue here.

883
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 4: There's no video.

884
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: I think I think I'm gonna deactivate myself from the

885
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: fifty three Man next week for a wise guy trivia.

886
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 4: That's those are hard questions.

887
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it's uh Jeff janis son of a bisk Yeah, okay,

888
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: Uh so should we talk modern day packers and uh,

889
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: and Jordan Love and what exactly you're gonna get on

890
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: Sunday the latest greatest young quarterback you have to go against,

891
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: and a guy who won a playoff game last year

892
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: and decisive, dominant fashion. It's interesting. Two weeks ago they

893
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: beat Minnesota, which turns out the Vikings have a really

894
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 2: good defense, and he threw for nearly four hundred yards,

895
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: he had four touchdowns, but he also threw three interceptions.

896
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: In that game.

897
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: And then he threw arguably the worst pick six of

898
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 2: the season last week from his own end zone.

899
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 4: We're not going to talk about any memories that it

900
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: trenched up.

901
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: Oh.

902
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 5: I immediately showed that to Darren against the Rams from

903
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 5: the end zone.

904
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: It looked like another pick six by the Rams.

905
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 5: Same yeah part of the field, Yes it did.

906
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 4: And so.

907
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: What exactly do you think you're getting in Jordan Love

908
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: and at Josh Jacob's another very physical running back. I

909
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: tell you, I look at the Packers, and I know

910
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: there was a lot of Okay, Cardinals and Lions, a

911
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 2: lot of similarities and parallels. I look at a Packers

912
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: team that was the youngest team to win a playoff

913
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: game since nineteen seventy. Their last two draft classes have

914
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: been thirteen and eleven players. They have a young, dual

915
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 2: threat quarterback. They have a hard charging, hard nose running

916
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: and Josh Jacobs. Aren't those all similar boxes you can

917
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: check for the Arizona Cardinals, there are a lot of

918
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 2: I think I see a lot of similarities doing the

919
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: Packers and the Cardinals.

920
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 4: No, I think that's a fair comparison. I don't watch

921
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 4: them as much as I would have liked to really

922
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: drill down. I know that Jordan Loves made incredible stride

923
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 4: since he was a rookie. I think I saw a

924
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: stat today, and in fact, I know I saw a

925
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: stat today that against four man rush, which is something

926
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: to keep in mind because the Cardinals struggle with just

927
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 4: doing a four man rush. He's averaging something like ten

928
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: yards of completion on against four man rush.

929
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, so a first down every time he throws

930
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 2: it against a four man.

931
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 4: Run probably Yeah. So I mean, I I think the Cardinals.

932
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: Darius Robinson will take care of that.

933
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 4: The Cardinals did a better job against the run last week.

934
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 4: Not a great job, but a better job, and they're

935
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 4: gonna need to do that again. But the Packers won

936
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 4: last week even though they had all their drama with

937
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 4: Romeo Dobbs and being spended, and they have all these

938
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 4: young receivers, the Wix kid, who's pretty good. I mean,

939
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 4: there's nobody that's going to like grab your attention names wise,

940
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 4: but they're getting the job done. Xavier McKinney has I think,

941
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 4: got an interception in every single game.

942
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 2: Yep, five for five.

943
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 4: I mean, that's gonna be a tough place to play,

944
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 4: thank god. At least it'll be cool. Won't be snowing

945
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 4: like last time we were there, but it'll be way

946
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 4: cooler than San Francis.

947
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: So I violated my role and I actually looked ahead

948
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: instead of just the day before we leave for the trip.

949
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: I looked at speaking pass correctly, and so the Friday

950
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: forecast is the highest seventy eight. The Sunday forecast is

951
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: a high of fifty four, which just reinforces that old

952
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 2: saying about the Midwest. If you don't like the weather,

953
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: wait twenty four hours, it'll be completely different.

954
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 4: You know what.

955
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 5: I was just talking to our photographer, Caitln Epps, who

956
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 5: was my roommate on the road, and she was saying, Oh,

957
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 5: do you know you're gonna wear in green Bay, and

958
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 5: I told her that I have this coat, and she

959
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 5: was like, it's not gonna be cold enough for a coat,

960
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 5: It's gonna be warm, jokes on her. I got the coat.

961
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 4: A quick question, as long as we're because obviously you

962
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 4: guys had your rant about the heat.

963
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 5: Earlier in this thing makes it sound like we were out.

964
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 4: Of the line.

965
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: I was.

966
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 4: I looked down from the press box and it looked fine.

967
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 4: But anyway, on to the.

968
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 5: Field, Darren, why did you stay in the press box?

969
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 4: But I do know that the last time we went

970
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 4: to Green Bay, which it won't be snowing this time,

971
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 4: but it was absolutely snowing, and I remember having to

972
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 4: do a uh pregame show off on Facebook with Danny

973
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: your predecessor, Lisa Matthews, and dressed as warm as I could,

974
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 4: and after ten minutes I couldn't feel any extremities. I'm

975
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: wondering how you guys do three and a half hours down. Well,

976
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, like, how do you guys feel

977
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 4: about weather games? I have an idea of what you

978
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 4: think about heat games. But Paul, you've been in both.

979
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, the last time we were there in

980
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, that was the Mike McCarthy game, he was fine.

981
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 4: Josh Rosen game.

982
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: I liked Josh Rosen game. Speaking of fits, what was

983
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: it third nineteen? He had that ridiculous one headed grab,

984
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 2: extended the drive, Cardinals win, McCarthy, fire Red won, even

985
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: the Yes Sin Gonzalez. So yeah, there's a lot of

986
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: a lot of history there.

987
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 4: Okay, here's here's a better question. Yeah, Paul calvic Power rankings,

988
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 4: worst to least worst, Miami twenty sixteen, all the rain sheets,

989
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 4: Green Bay twenty eighteen. Right, San Francisco twenty twenty four.

990
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: Well, a're you gonna throw in the New England snow game?

991
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: That was That was epic.

992
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 4: You get what we only want one snow game, which

993
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 4: which one was worse?

994
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 2: Well, the New England Snow game was a lot worse.

995
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 4: Okay, then well then we'll go with you. Okay, New

996
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 4: England two thousand and eight, Miami twenty sixteen. Alright, Torrential downpoorl.

997
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go off the board for d And that

998
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: was week three at Jacksonville about ten. Yeah, it was

999
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: almost almost as bad as the Niners heat, but you

1000
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 2: had the humidity and then you had a five hour

1001
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: flight home, So that was the difference in that one.

1002
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 4: I think I smelled you on that flight.

1003
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably did. That that was a rough flight.

1004
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 5: Weather games are only more tolerable because we don't have

1005
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 5: to deal with them because we have a roof. So

1006
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 5: I approached a weather game of Okay, it might suck,

1007
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 5: but it's one week. It's not like we have to

1008
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 5: brave those elements every single week. And I did sideline

1009
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 5: preseason in twenty twenty two in Tennessee. For that preseason game,

1010
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 5: Paul was up in the booth and it was so

1011
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 5: hot and so humid that I remember standing outside the

1012
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 5: locker room for postgame interviews for a show and somebody

1013
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 5: told me that I looked like I'd gone swimming. I

1014
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 5: was so sweaty heard that was enjoyable, and I then

1015
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 5: I think back to last season around Christmas Eve, I

1016
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 5: was on the sideline, Paul was up in the booth

1017
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 5: Soldier Field in Chicago, and that was cold. I think

1018
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 5: it's easier to handle a cold game. I'm not even

1019
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 5: going to talk about precipitation though. I'm not going to

1020
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 5: talk about rain because thankfully not go on what. I

1021
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 5: haven't experienced that. But I think it's easier to stay

1022
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 5: comfortable when it's cold with layers or handwarmers or being

1023
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 5: by the heaters. There was no way, Paul for you

1024
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 5: to get any relief during the game on the sideline

1025
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 5: in San Francisco Sunday.

1026
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: The worst part about it the cold games, right, the

1027
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: snow games, the ice, the freezing temperatures is the bench

1028
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: is heated and you can't get there. You're outside the thirties.

1029
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: So it's sort of like you're outside the plain glass window,

1030
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: your window shopping. You can see inside as a kid,

1031
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: and all the toys that you want for Christmas put window, Yeah, exactly,

1032
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: and so and then some of the snarky you know,

1033
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: linemen and stuff. When you get near the heat blower,

1034
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: they're be like no players only, and they'll stiff arm

1035
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: you away and they'll shove you outside the thirty again.

1036
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: And so that's what gets mentally tough on that one.

1037
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: You're so close to being warm and you're not. So

1038
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: As for this game, it's not going to be that bad.

1039
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: Weather will not be a factor. Jordan Love will be

1040
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: a factor. Here's one Scota report I got from people

1041
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: who have watched the film on Jordan Love. They say

1042
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 2: that He has a lot of similarities in his game,

1043
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: even mannerisms to Aaron Rodgers because he spent three years

1044
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: under Aaron Rodgers. So a lot of the way he

1045
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: sort of runs the play action game, even some of

1046
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: his boots, even some of the ways he'll flick the

1047
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: ball because he has ridiculous arm talent. Jordan Love, it

1048
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: really has a gun and it's kind of Aaron Rodgers asque.

1049
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 4: Is it anything like the Nebraska kid who's aping Patrick Mahomes?

1050
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 4: Have you seen that?

1051
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Dominic Ryola? Yeah yeah, yeah, yes, yes, akin

1052
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 2: to that sort of, you know, one quarterback sort of

1053
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 2: emulating another in the mannerisms and so forth.

1054
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 4: Yes, So Jordan Love probably hasn't been voxed.

1055
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: So see we can see where what's vax slash vexing

1056
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 2: for Darren. You can see what's still under his craw

1057
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: when it comes to Aaron Rodgers on that front.

1058
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, looking forward to Jordan Love's trip to

1059
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 4: Egypt this mini camp.

1060
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: But if you get a win in this game, now

1061
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 2: you're three and three, Yeah, potentially atop the NFC West.

1062
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 2: I mean you talk about a pivot point in the season.

1063
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: You get a win in this game, which I definitely

1064
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: think is doable, feasible, plausible, and then all of a sudden,

1065
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: the what's the media schedule look like? After that? You

1066
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 2: come home against the Chargers.

1067
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, Monday night game against the Chargers, and then you're

1068
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 4: at Miami and hoping there's no rain.

1069
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: Well, what you're hoping is there's no two a tongue

1070
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: of the law.

1071
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 4: Right now, Miami looks pretty horrible, pretty horrible. So if

1072
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 4: he's still out, I mean, I would love to you.

1073
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 4: It's a huge game in the NFC West possibilities, and

1074
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 4: then Seattle and San Francisco play each other Thursday night. Unfortunately,

1075
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 4: you guys have to give me the update on that.

1076
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 4: I will be attending the very important Coronadol Soul Castillo

1077
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 4: Girls flag football game that will be televising this week.

1078
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 4: That's at Coronas, So I will be going to that.

1079
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 5: Are you on the broadcast?

1080
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 4: I am not, but I'm going to make an appearance.

1081
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 4: And but that that forty nine Ers Seahawks game is

1082
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 4: on Thursday night and h and obviously, if the forty

1083
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 4: nine Ers win and the Seahawks that lose a third

1084
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 4: in a row and then they're both three and three,

1085
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 4: And then you're three and three, and you got the

1086
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 4: tiebreaker at least over the forty nine ers, and and

1087
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 4: you're two and zero in the division. I mean this

1088
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: just this could go in a really good direction if

1089
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 4: if the Cardinals can hold it together, especially on the

1090
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 4: offensive line.

1091
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: By the way, you know the reason why I'm leading

1092
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: you by one in the picks this year?

1093
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 4: Why is that?

1094
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 5: Are you picking whoever is playing Seattle every week?

1095
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: Thank you? I love it, thank you.

1096
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 5: I actually went with the John teddiness is on a

1097
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 5: different level.

1098
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: It was the Honolulu Black and Blue theory, and now

1099
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 2: it holds up again.

1100
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 5: Teams that tell us your success.

1101
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: The teams the week after playing the Lions are now

1102
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: zero and four by a decided margin, all lopsided losses. Well,

1103
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: for the most part they Seahawks loss, but at home

1104
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 2: to the Giants twenty nine to twenty Giants didn't even

1105
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: have Malik Neighbors.

1106
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 5: Are you picking though, the team who plays Seattle to

1107
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 5: beat Seattle every week?

1108
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: Did you not this year? In years past? I have you?

1109
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: Did you just not a spite?

1110
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 4: Did you shed a tear when you saw that Isaiah

1111
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: Simmons had the game clinching field goal block. I did

1112
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 4: see that, he yelled at the screen high sale, Yes.

1113
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: Yes, that was that. You know, that didn't make sense

1114
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. You're you're absolutely right.

1115
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 4: Which, by the way, a lot of people are complaining

1116
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 4: about it. And I was asking Jeff Rodgers about the

1117
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: play and he's like, no, that's I see that as

1118
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 4: being a legal play and the way it was explained

1119
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 4: by the officials, and if somebody didn't see it, Essentially,

1120
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 4: the Giants players, the Seahawks field goal block team likes

1121
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 4: to get low in certain six situations, and the Giants

1122
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 4: knew this, and you're not allowed to hold or pull

1123
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 4: a blocker, but you can push them down. And the

1124
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 4: Seahawks guys went low, and the Giants guys just basically

1125
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 4: put their hands on the backs and pushed them down.

1126
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 4: And Isaiah Simmons were just standing at the line of

1127
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 4: scrimmage and he basically did a standing broad jump over

1128
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 4: the line and block the field goal.

1129
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 2: So because previously we learned this in the twenty sixteen

1130
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: game Cardinals and Seahawks, that jumping over the line of

1131
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: scrimmage on a kick is illegal, correct, when does the incomplete?

1132
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 4: When does you cannot take a running start, You absolutely

1133
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 4: can jump over it from a standing start, So you

1134
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 4: have to get these guys low enough to clear them.

1135
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 2: So when Bobby Wagner did it twice in that twenty

1136
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 2: sixteen game, he had a running starter, did not.

1137
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 4: I don't remember.

1138
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: I remember there was a lot of whining that that

1139
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 2: was illegal.

1140
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 4: I don't remember the specifics, and I feel like the

1141
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 4: rule was tweaked after that year anywhere.

1142
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I think it was actually, but the.

1143
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 4: Current rule allows you to do it, but you gotta

1144
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 4: have a guy who can get some hops.

1145
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: But the single biggest play by the biggest man on

1146
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: the field had have been on Monday Night Calen Sanders, Right, Yes,

1147
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: who's the brother of the backup dancer is the Taylor

1148
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: Swift who was also at the game? That got mentioned

1149
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: like umpteen times.

1150
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,919
Speaker 4: Well, the thing was, it didn't get mentioned upteen times.

1151
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 4: It just happened that they were mentioning it right when

1152
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 4: that play happened, so then they really leaned into it.

1153
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so two things about that play. My favorite part

1154
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 2: about what a thirty seven yard return out of your

1155
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 2: own end zone? Yes, was when Xavier defensive lineman when xavier'

1156
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: worthy the fastest man in the NFL, mister sub four

1157
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: two forty. Yes, he closed the gap despite as well

1158
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: as that big man ran, and he ran almost sixteen

1159
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 2: miles an hour. Okay, xavierre Worthy closed the gap in

1160
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: an instant and then just went blowing right off him. Yeah,

1161
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: just bounced right off the three hundred and forty pounders.

1162
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 4: Xavi are Worthy not making a lot of tackles with

1163
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 4: his cool.

1164
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: He pinballed off him. That was That was hilarious. Now

1165
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: here's my question. Which Cardinals big man would you most

1166
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: enjoy taking a ball back some forty yards on a return?

1167
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: If you had your choice of a Cardinal's big man

1168
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: three hundred plus, who would you want the ball in

1169
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: their hands? And by the way, did that guy not

1170
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: play some four running back? And tight he was?

1171
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 4: He knew now somebody said, got in traffic, put two

1172
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 4: arms around. He did play running back in high school. Okay,

1173
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 4: so there's a little bit of that. But I was

1174
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 4: thinking somebody's gonna come up and knock it from behind

1175
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 4: him and he was. That was not happening.

1176
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 5: Are we talking?

1177
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 4: Just ye, lineman, what you want doesn't have to be

1178
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 4: three hundred pounds. We're not measuring these guys.

1179
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 3: But.

1180
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 5: I'll give one on both. I think on defense, my

1181
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 5: gut tells me. Dante stills, m okay, I think that.

1182
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 5: I think that could be good. And then on offensive line,

1183
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 5: I don't know if I would pick yield to Forroholt

1184
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 5: or Paris Johnson. I think I'd pick Johnson.

1185
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 4: See, I I understand this is this is a tough

1186
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 4: subject right now, but I absolutely would have picked Will Hernandez.

1187
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, see, I'm with you.

1188
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 4: I would have I would have liked Will Hernandez. On defense,

1189
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 4: I want to see I want to see Tonga. I

1190
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 4: want to see you know, or like a Roy Lopez. Well,

1191
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 4: Roy would really Roy would lean into it. That's actually

1192
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 4: maybe I'll.

1193
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 5: Change my answer. Sorry, Doante, I'll change my answer to.

1194
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 4: Roy's got that wrestling background, so he's got a little

1195
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 4: bit of affleticism in him.

1196
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go l J. Collier just because he had

1197
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: you know, that return or what against the Lions. He

1198
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: had the return, you know, but he tried the spin move,

1199
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: isn't it. Yeah, I just I feel like he deserves

1200
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: a second chance. You know, he was getting a hard

1201
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: time in the locker room. He was trying to tell

1202
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: everyone that instead of getting at the forty, if you

1203
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: would have got it at the twenty, he would have

1204
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: housed it. It was just a little too far for him,

1205
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: you know. But he also maintains that nothing boosts a

1206
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: team arale more than a big man return, you know.

1207
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 4: So on this podcast, we got to Will Hernandez running

1208
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 4: the ball, We got to Greg George blocking Nick Bosa.

1209
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 4: So I mean, I think we've covered all those angles.

1210
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: Did that really happen or did you make I'm making it? Okay?

1211
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 4: All right, So it's the power of Connor.

1212
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: All right, here's here's my last question. And this is

1213
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: a real question. Unlike the original question to come full circle,

1214
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: I didn't have a real answer, but this is an

1215
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: honest question. Zay Jones. Where does he fit in this offense?

1216
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: Because let me say this, Jay Jones did a lot

1217
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: of good things in that Colts joint practice. The offense

1218
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 2: is a little up and down in those two joint

1219
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: practices against the Colts. I'm gonna be kind, but Jay

1220
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 2: Jones was excellent and you know where he's really good.

1221
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: And those red zone drills, he I think they're underestimating

1222
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 2: his height. They got them listed at six to two.

1223
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 2: I swear he's six three. I mean he actually looks taller.

1224
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: Whenever you're next to, next time you're against, you're next

1225
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: to Zay Jones. Okay, I want you guys to tell me.

1226
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 4: It's sort of a I feel like there's low hanging fruit.

1227
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: I could tell them, just don't do it, Darren, don't

1228
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: you're better. They're better than that. You're better than that.

1229
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: So I want you to. I want you to size

1230
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 2: him up literally and tell me. I think they're underestimating

1231
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: his height. I think they're sandbagging a little bit, sort

1232
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: of like fits and golf, And I think Jay Jones

1233
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: in the red zone potentially could be very valuable for

1234
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: this team.

1235
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 4: I'm curious to know if if they let him play

1236
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 4: this weekend, like if they put him on the roster.

1237
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 4: They got to make a roster move. Sure, but they

1238
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 4: have three weeks no with him, They've only got one week. Okay,

1239
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 4: he's got They got to do something by next Monday.

1240
00:58:59,240 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 4: He's got it.

1241
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: They got Okay, so he can miss and then they

1242
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: can ultimately they can wait till Monday.

1243
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 4: They can wait. Yeah, wait till the monday, the day

1244
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 4: after the Packers game. They can wait, so they can say, Okay,

1245
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 4: we're gonna give you a full week of practice and

1246
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 4: figure you out, or they can say, yeah, you look

1247
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 4: pretty good. We can we can move you in right now.

1248
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 4: I think it's a I think it's gonna be interesting.

1249
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 4: I mean, we're already sitting here. We didn't really talk

1250
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 4: about it. I don't want to get into it now

1251
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 4: because we're running along. But we didn't really even get

1252
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 4: into Marvin Harrison only he made the great fourth down catch,

1253
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 4: but he only had two catches and again on seven targets,

1254
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 4: more misses than catches, Like is McBride getting the ball?

1255
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 4: En off all this stuff and you're gonna add somebody

1256
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 4: else in the mix who needs the ball? Like it's

1257
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 4: it's gonna be interesting, like.

1258
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 5: Bride had your most targets from your receivers night.

1259
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1260
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 5: Yeah. Having Trey McBride back after missing the week prior,

1261
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 5: despite having a ribs injury that he showed up late

1262
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 5: in the week on the injury report, he looked nice

1263
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 5: in his first game back.

1264
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,479
Speaker 4: And maybe it's not about targets. Maybe it's just making

1265
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 4: sure you're completing more of them.

1266
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 2: So here's what we'll do instead of us talking about it.

1267
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: We'll direct you to the pash pod because he has

1268
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: Tom Renaldi on, and Tom Renaldi told a little story

1269
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: that while they were waiting for a live TV interview

1270
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: after the game, he's standing there with Kyler and he's

1271
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: standing there with James Connor. Wasn't taped, so they had

1272
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: to wait like two minutes, okay, And as they're waiting,

1273
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: Kyler was kind of shaking his head, kind of grumbling

1274
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: a little bit, and Tom, so, what, you just won

1275
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: the game? He's what's wrong? He's like, could have been

1276
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 2: a lot better, should have been a lot better on offense.

1277
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 2: Like Kyler was replaying some of the misspasses and I'm

1278
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: guessing some of the failed connections with Marvin Harrison Junior

1279
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 2: in particular.

1280
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 4: He was not happy after the game that they did

1281
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 4: not end the game with the ball in their hands.

1282
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 2: Okay, but to me, look, it's always about the win, Okay,

1283
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: the what, the win. But then if you're talking about

1284
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: the how and the why, there's still a lot of

1285
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: room for improvement between K one and wide receiver one agree,

1286
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: and if that does click in in the next week

1287
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: or a month, look out. Honestly, to me, that's one

1288
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: of the greatest reasons to be bullish about the rest

1289
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: of the season. You get through this gauntland in the schedule.

1290
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 2: Somehow you can get a win in Green Bay and

1291
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: then come back at three and three, and now all

1292
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: of a sudden, there's a lot of upside to look

1293
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: forward to. You would think, Tyler to Marvin Arrison Junior,

1294
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: and then that trickles down through the rest of the offense.

1295
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: Let's leave it on that note here on Cardinals Underground,

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01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,720
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