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Speaker 3: All right, good morning and welcome to Breaking Points. How

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Speaker 3: you doing, Emily great?

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Speaker 4: How is your family reunion?

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Speaker 5: It was lovely, good time.

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Speaker 4: Missed everybody here, all the grims of one place, and

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Speaker 4: I had a.

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Speaker 5: Bunch of people were like, is Ryan ever coming back?

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Speaker 5: It's like, guys, it's one week. Come on, well you

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Speaker 5: were in Ireland.

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Speaker 4: People were probably, well, that's.

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Speaker 5: True, I was an Ireland.

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Speaker 4: Never mind, but here you are.

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Speaker 5: I'm back.

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Speaker 4: It's back and better than ever.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we can have we'll see I'm back.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to get a chance to cover the

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Speaker 3: versioning back and forth over the redistricting, which if you

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Speaker 3: want to check out the context of that, you can

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Speaker 3: look at the segment that A.

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Speaker 5: Sager and I did yesterday.

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Speaker 3: But essentially Texas is now asking the FBI to arrest

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Speaker 3: the Democrats who have fled to Illinois, no reason why.

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Speaker 3: I'm completely unclear what federal crime would be involved here. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: Texas governor has gone to the Supreme Court to try

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Speaker 3: to basically get the Democrats kicked out of elected office.

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Speaker 3: They have left the state to deny a quorum so

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Speaker 3: that Republicans can't use the quorum to redistrict the state

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the ten year period. California and

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Speaker 3: New York are responding by saying, well, if you're going

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Speaker 3: to redistrict, then so are we.

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Speaker 5: That's basically what's going on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's another doom spiral, but not the first time

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Speaker 4: this has happened. Before we get into the news, run

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Speaker 4: and I just have to say, you took another trip

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Speaker 4: to club's sleigh.

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Speaker 3: Yes exactly, we're talking with us yesterday. Whenever you go

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Speaker 3: on vacation with your daughters, you're probably going to come

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Speaker 3: back with.

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Speaker 4: Your nails done for free, they get bored.

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Speaker 5: It's a real upside.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Another thing we won't get to talk about real quickly

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Speaker 3: the strike, the Boeing strike against today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thirty two hundred Boeing workers striking in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 4: So that's when to keep an eye on, and we

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Speaker 4: will definitely be keeping an eye on it. Here some

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Speaker 4: really big updates in the Epstein case. It feels like

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Speaker 4: we say that every single day, but yesterday The New

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Speaker 4: York Times published some absolutely wild pictures from inside Jeffrey

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Speaker 4: Epstein's Manhattan townhouse. We have details on Galline Maxwell right now,

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Speaker 4: thinking about whether or not she wants that transcript that

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Speaker 4: our debating whether or not to do so. Galline Maxwell

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Speaker 4: is saying no, So we will dive into all of that.

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Speaker 4: We have new Trump comments on everything as well. And

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Speaker 4: Ryan Martin Gottsfeld is back with us.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he served in the same prison where Epstein died.

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Speaker 3: He read through the entire ig report that looked into

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Speaker 3: So I'll talk about that with god Hasfeld.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and important news because the penas were issued yesterday.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about this for some people who might know

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Speaker 4: what happened with the prison investigation. Now, Trump did a

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Speaker 4: we will bring you updates on that front. And Ryan

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Speaker 5: Ryan's's bringing back the radars.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we're bringing back the riders. Ryan's is just stay tuned.

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Speaker 4: It involves cows.

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Speaker 5: And Boris Johnsons minds a wild ride.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it sure is. And then Ryan more drop site

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Speaker 4: reporting Corey Mills is a up and coming Republican congressman

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Speaker 4: who may not be so up and coming anymore. It's

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Speaker 4: a fascinating drop site report on new details in his

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Speaker 3: So Roger Solinberger has been investigating Mills, and the first

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Speaker 3: piece for drops I posted last night about actually just

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Speaker 5: It's incredible, it is.

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Speaker 4: It's really something. Miss miss Usa is involved in this one.

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Speaker 3: I think that this guy's probably nuts. You're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know the half of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, or like the order of it. It just keeps.

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Speaker 4: Every time you think you have a complete picture, you don't.

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Speaker 5: No, you don't, we don't.

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Speaker 3: Right now, some people leave lead some interesting lives. One

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Speaker 4: Yes, now finally our guest, our second guest is going

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Speaker 4: to be Aaron Baker, who is Randy front Finds Republican

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Speaker 4: primary opponent down in Florida. So that race has garnered

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Speaker 4: So Aaron Baker's going to join us to talk about

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Speaker 3: And he's also kind of a diehard Israel supporter too,

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Speaker 4: We'll get into that, because even as we're teeing up

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Speaker 3: Be such a shame if Randy Fine was shown the door,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but he could get through it. Ooh, should I

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Speaker 4: All right's dive in Ryan. The New York Times published

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Speaker 4: a hell of an Epstein story yesterday, with images from

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Speaker 4: inside his Manhattan townhouse and also a letter from the

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Speaker 4: one and only Woody Allen that was very bizarre, compiled

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Speaker 4: as this is so the director Woody Allen, The New

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Speaker 4: York Times rights described how the dinners at Epstein's house

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Speaker 4: this is a book for sixty third birthday, or a

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Speaker 4: collection of letters that people were sent in for his

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Speaker 4: sixty third birthday. According to New York Times, you know

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Speaker 4: what they say about the sixty third birthday. It's the

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Speaker 4: letter birthday. All your friends send you letters, even though

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Speaker 4: they did that for your fiftieth birthday. So Alan described

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Speaker 4: how dinners at Epstein's place reminded him of Dracula's Castle

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Speaker 4: quote where Lugosi has three young female vampires who service

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Speaker 4: the place he goes on. And this is again in

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Speaker 4: a letter to Epstein on the occasion of his sixty

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Speaker 4: third birthday to describe one of the just most bizarre

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Speaker 4: Did you read this letter?

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Speaker 5: Ran I did not read the whole Woody Allen letter.

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Speaker 4: It's written, it's I mean, there's nothing like huge in it.

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Speaker 4: It's just him talking about the meager portion sizes in

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Speaker 4: the Dracula Castle in a very coy Woody Allen way.

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Speaker 4: But the Times, of course included in addition to this

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Speaker 4: letter for Epstein's sixty third birthday pictures from his credenza

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Speaker 4: showing him with Pope John Paul, the second Fidel Castro,

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump, and a picture actually with Trump where Milania

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Speaker 4: is cropped out, Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, Elon Musk, Richard Branson,

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Speaker 4: So The image that you see is basically Epstein flaunting

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Speaker 4: all of his famous wealthy friendships with different people. There's

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Speaker 4: a picture with Epstein not in it. All of pictures

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Speaker 4: except for one that appears to be just Steve Bannon

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Speaker 4: and Woody Allen. It's extremely strange. Other pictures of Epstein's

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Speaker 4: upstairs residents, you see surveillance cameras peeking down at the bed.

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Speaker 5: Edition of Lolita, first edition of Lolita, just.

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Speaker 3: Not really doing much at all to try to hide

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Speaker 3: his predilections, none at all, No to advertise them.

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Speaker 4: Flooding them in front of Woody Allen, by the way,

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Speaker 3: Whatever you think about what Woody Allen did, the public

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Speaker 4: Right, extremely weird stuff. Stuffed tiger also in the pictures.

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Speaker 4: that Woody Allen letter from the sixty third Birthday collection,

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Speaker 3: Out of and The Times had a line that I

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Speaker 3: story that won't go away, which was nobody's been able

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Speaker 3: to explain how he made his nine figure income. There's

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Speaker 3: think that he may have had some connections two Intel

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Speaker 3: with a bunch of cameras everywhere, and then invite a

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Speaker 3: bunch of powerful people overdo compromising things like give me

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Speaker 3: something more logical, more.

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Speaker 5: Obvious than that. It's then we'll entertain something else.

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Speaker 3: Yes, then we'll entertain the other theory, give me something

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Speaker 3: Where do you get the money?

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Speaker 4: The real conspiracy theory is that Les Wesner was having

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Speaker 4: expert money management services.

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Speaker 3: From this high school teacher.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but has of course never addressed that or anything

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Speaker 4: at all. Yes, absolutely, Well, we also have Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: responding to some questions here yesterday on Epstein. We can

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Speaker 4: go ahead and roll a.

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Speaker 6: Three, and I think he probably wants to make sure

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Speaker 6: that you know people that should not be involved or

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Speaker 6: aren't involved or not hurt by something that would be

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Speaker 6: very very unfortunate, very unfair to a lot of people.

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Speaker 8: Were you aware of and did you personally approve the

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Speaker 8: prison transfer for Glaine Maxwell that your Justice department.

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Speaker 6: I didn't know her about it at all.

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Speaker 9: No, I read about it just like you did.

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Speaker 6: And do you believe that she's not a very uncommon thing?

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Speaker 8: Do you believe that she's credible to be listening to

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Speaker 8: your deputy attorney journal sat down with her recently.

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Speaker 6: Well, he's let me tell you, he's a very talented man.

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Speaker 6: His name is Todd Blanche. She's a very legitimate person,

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Speaker 6: very high I just a very highly thought of person,

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Speaker 3: No, but if you're the president, and you can do

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Speaker 3: Nobody actually cares about Epstein. What's he down at thirty

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Speaker 4: With that, Ryan. We have Martin Gottsfeld, right, so we

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Speaker 5: Marty, thanks for.

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Speaker 9: Coming back, no prom thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: But what you seem to have observed here is that,

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Speaker 5: Is that a fair summary? And then we can get

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Speaker 3: the one of the ones you found here. It's the

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Speaker 11: Okay, so this one, actually, the IG was just wrong,

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Speaker 9: Because I've been there.

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Speaker 11: That's the tenth floor layout. So that's the tenth floor

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Speaker 9: It was a longer, longer walk.

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Speaker 11: But the big thing is that if you look at

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Speaker 9: And the Justice Department has said that.

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Speaker 11: It has footage from this camera, but it has not

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Speaker 11: What they did not do was block out the main

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Speaker 11: or the one of the first of the two main

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Speaker 11: entrances to the shoe, and then you go in past

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Speaker 11: the shoe laundry office, and then there's another door actually

446
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Speaker 11: before you get to the main area of the shoe,

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Speaker 11: and that's where they have written America's Strongest Shoe. That's

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Speaker 11: where you see it. But you could follow this path

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Speaker 11: right and then up the stairs to Epstein's tier. And

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Speaker 11: the way they rendered the staircases here is also really misleading.

451
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Speaker 11: You would think that the staircase on the left it

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Speaker 11: the other there's kind of two staircases leading up to

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Speaker 11: like Mtier.

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Speaker 3: Really, so this Mier to pause one second for this,

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Speaker 3: let's put up the one that you labeled here streaming

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Speaker 3: but not recording camera.

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Speaker 5: And where you've drawn these kind of red lines.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so the way they've drawn these staircases is really misleading. Here.

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Speaker 9: I corrected it.

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Speaker 11: In one of my diagrams, but it's a good amount

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Speaker 11: of work to like figure out the angles and everything.

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Speaker 11: The left hand staircase there, it looks like it's the

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Speaker 11: one that leads up, it's actually leading down that goes

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Speaker 11: to the lower tier M tier, and it's the right

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Speaker 11: hand staircase that actually leads up to L tier to

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Speaker 11: where they say Epstein was. And so the camera has

467
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Speaker 11: fairly good coverage of the left staircase that does not

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Speaker 11: lead to Epstein, but it does not have good coverage

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Speaker 11: of the right hand staircase which did.

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Speaker 4: So let's also then talk about this other discrepancy you

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Speaker 4: point out. At these other two discrepancies you point out

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Speaker 4: that are important, there's number four in your article, no

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Speaker 4: showers on shower day, And then number five is incorrect plumbing,

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Speaker 4: which may sound to people like, oh, it's, you know,

475
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Speaker 4: a small thing, they just got a little minor detail

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Speaker 4: of the physical space incorrect, But you say, no, these

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Speaker 4: are hugely significant discrepancies.

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Speaker 11: Tell us why so in terms of the no showers thing,

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Speaker 11: it ties into the so called orange shape that as

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Speaker 11: sends the stairs and what we see that the shoe

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Speaker 11: workers doing the August night, the date of the footage

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Speaker 11: or the date the footage starts, right, it goes from

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Speaker 11: the ninth into the tenth, right, the night of the ninth.

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Speaker 9: Into the tenth. August ninth was a Friday. Okay.

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Speaker 11: If you're in a federal shoe, you only get three

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Speaker 11: showers a week. Okay, most of those shoes you get

487
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Speaker 11: those showers on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, okay, and almost

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Speaker 11: shower days you get a change of clothes.

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Speaker 9: Right, that's the only change of clothes you get.

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Speaker 11: So according to IGS report, there were seventy two prisoners

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Speaker 11: in the shoe on that day. That's seventy two sets

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Speaker 11: of boxers, seventy two sets of pants, seventy two towels,

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Speaker 11: seventy two t shirts. Right, it's a full change of

494
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Speaker 11: seventy two things for seventy two guys. And so if

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Speaker 11: you look back at the one of the other diagrams

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Speaker 11: we were just looking at where I show the shoe laundry.

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Speaker 9: Office, right, And you examined the video like I did.

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Speaker 9: I went in detail through this video.

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Speaker 11: I played it all. I played it at a slightly

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Speaker 11: accelerated rate, but I played it all, and I took notes.

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Speaker 11: A shoe worker goes off frame really near the beginning

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Speaker 11: of that video and heads towards that shoe laundry office.

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Speaker 11: And because it was shower day, right, they've got seventy

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Speaker 11: two sets of things to walk and dry.

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Speaker 9: And I don't remember.

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Speaker 11: For sure if if the washing machines are actually on

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Speaker 11: this floor, if they send them up the laundry down,

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Speaker 11: but there's presumably also seventy two sets of clean laundry

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Speaker 11: coming in that need to be folded and sorted and

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Speaker 11: put on the shelf.

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Speaker 9: Right. And so this guy he leaves.

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Speaker 11: The frame early in the night, and it is entirely

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Speaker 11: plausible to me that he would still be doing his job,

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Speaker 11: that he would be out of his cell working, that

515
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Speaker 11: they would just ghost him during the count, so they

516
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Speaker 11: would count him as if he was in his cell,

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Speaker 11: even though he's in this laundry area. And that to

518
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Speaker 11: me seems the most likely explanation for the orange blur.

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Speaker 4: So it would be an inmate doing the laundry.

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Speaker 9: Inmate doing the laundry goes back to his cell. At

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Speaker 9: ten forty two.

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Speaker 11: The officer goes up the stairs which we kind of see,

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Speaker 11: locks him into his cell at night, and then comes

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Speaker 11: back down.

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Speaker 9: Those stairs, which we also see.

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Speaker 11: It makes more sense than the IG's explanation that an

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Speaker 11: officer was carrying clothing. I agree with the video expert

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Speaker 11: CBS had It wouldn't look like that. That's most likely

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Speaker 11: a person walking up there. But there's a very mundane

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Speaker 11: reason for it. And this is something CBS would have

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Speaker 11: known had they bothered to actually interview anyone who's been

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Speaker 11: in federal prison, been in the shoe in federal prison

533
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Speaker 11: in the war. Better yet interviewed someone who's actually been

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Speaker 11: in this particular shoe in federal prison, who knows where

535
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Speaker 11: the laundry.

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Speaker 4: Area is or something. The inspector general, if they were

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Speaker 4: truly interested in an accurate report.

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Speaker 11: Oh, it's not even it's not even in my top

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Speaker 11: five problems with these general.

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Speaker 3: And so then the question then becomes, you know if,

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Speaker 3: And also let's get to the el tier, because since

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Speaker 3: since you were on here last I spoke with another

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Speaker 3: inmate who actually served specifically on the El tier and

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Speaker 3: said that, yes, yeah, that's the only one that didn't

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Speaker 3: have cameras in the cells.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know that. I mean I

547
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Speaker 9: was all over that shoe, but not on El tier.

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Speaker 9: So you know, it was news to me. But it

549
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Speaker 9: jives with.

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Speaker 11: The pictures we have of Epstein cell because I went

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Speaker 11: looking through those pictures, I know where the camera would be.

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Speaker 9: It's not there, right right.

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Speaker 3: So that means that they chose to put their most

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Speaker 3: high profile inmate in a cell without a camera, and

555
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Speaker 3: also in a cell that could be approached in apparently

556
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Speaker 3: multiple directions by somebody who would not be recorded, which

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Speaker 3: itself is an interesting question. And then you also get

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Speaker 3: in your piece to the notion of the cameras not recording.

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Speaker 5: They say that they were streaming but.

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Speaker 3: Not recording, and they didn't realize that until, you know,

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Speaker 3: right before this situation.

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Speaker 5: Layout Why that why it sounds to.

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Speaker 3: You to be implausible that it would they'd go for

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Speaker 3: this long without realizing the cameras were recording.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so according to the IG, it took NCC ten

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Speaker 11: days to discover that the cameras weren't recording. Okay, this

567
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Speaker 11: facility houses that capacity four hundred federal prisoners.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 11: Every federal facility, including this one, as a department called

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Speaker 11: the Special Investigative Supervisors SIS. Okay, and they're like prison intelligence.

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Speaker 11: It's like twice the oxymoron of military intelligence. But they

572
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Speaker 11: take their jobs very seriously and their primary tasks are

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Speaker 11: internal investigations, handling snitches, managing gangs.

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Speaker 9: And interdicting contraband, Okay.

575
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Speaker 11: And in the facility in the size of the MCC,

576
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Speaker 11: they get a steady stream of kites.

577
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Speaker 9: They're called like flying a kite.

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Speaker 11: It's a term for when an inmate drops a note

579
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Speaker 11: like ratting out a staff member or ratting out another person. Okay,

580
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Speaker 11: there's going to be a steady stream.

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Speaker 9: Of them in a facility this size.

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Speaker 11: And no self respecting SIS department could possibly go eight

583
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Speaker 11: days or ten days without reviewing recent camera footage because

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Speaker 11: when they get one of these kites, right, it's going

585
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Speaker 11: to include like a date in a time and a

586
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Speaker 11: place for SIS to go check out, you know, so

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Speaker 11: that they can you know, build a case or bust

588
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Speaker 11: somebody or whatever it is.

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Speaker 9: So in the.

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Speaker 11: Facility of that size, I just it's it's very very

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Speaker 11: unlike the SIS would go that long without reviewing footage

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Speaker 11: and then when they do discover the cameras aren't recording,

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Speaker 11: which is two days I think before the night in question,

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Speaker 11: they did something odd that they didn't do something. You know,

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Speaker 11: I was in eight jails in prisons, okay, across my

596
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Speaker 11: seven and a half years.

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Speaker 9: As a quote unquote political prisoner.

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Speaker 11: It was one bid, right, but I got transferred all

599
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Speaker 11: over the place because no one likes a guy who

600
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Speaker 11: has media connections and litigates and you know all that.

601
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Speaker 11: So I got sent all over the place. And every

602
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Speaker 11: time I was in a facility where they had a

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Speaker 11: significant camera issue, not just like one camera output, like

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Speaker 11: a systematic thing, even for maintenance, right, they locked down

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Speaker 11: the whole facility. It's just too much of a lightbuild.

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Speaker 11: They can't have people walking around. We were locked down

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Speaker 11: for like two or three days in Terre Haute, Indiana,

608
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Speaker 11: when it was like one hundred degrees out for camera work,

609
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Speaker 11: just to give it. And that was planned, right, So

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Speaker 11: they find out the cameras are down, and they.

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Speaker 9: Don't lock down the prison.

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Speaker 11: And we know the prison's not locked because we see

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Speaker 11: in the video we see shoe workers outside their cells

614
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Speaker 11: just like going about their days, right, and like that

615
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Speaker 11: wouldn't happen during a camera locked up?

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 4: Okay, now news today this is a seven? Is that

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Speaker 4: just yesterday? House Republicans James Comer subpoenad Bill Clinton? Hillary Clinton?

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Speaker 4: But also interestingly Bill Barr, system former Republicans, actually even

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Speaker 4: Alberto Gonzalez, who was attorney general when the Sweetheart deal

621
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Speaker 4: was struck with Epstein back during the Bush administration, and

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Speaker 4: Attorney General Jeff Sessions. So, Martin, do you have questions?

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Speaker 4: I mean, Barr, I think would be the big one. Obviously,

624
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Speaker 4: he was attorney general when everything that we're discussing right

625
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Speaker 4: now happened, and you would have been privy to all

626
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Speaker 4: kinds of information about what happened to Shoe. So what

627
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Speaker 4: are there questions that you think Bill Barr might have

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Speaker 4: the answer to, Like are the particular things that you

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Speaker 4: would recommend he'd be asked.

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Speaker 11: I'm trying to remember if Barr was on record saying

631
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Speaker 11: that he had personally reviewed the video.

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Speaker 9: I think that he was.

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Speaker 11: And assuming that he was on record saying he had

634
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Speaker 11: personally reviewed the video, you know, he went forward with

635
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Speaker 11: this same narrative that you know there was no way

636
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Speaker 11: anyone could have gotten to Epstein's cell and there's just

637
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Speaker 11: no way reviewing that video for someone to stake that

638
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Speaker 11: kind of a claim.

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Speaker 9: So I would certainly ask him about that.

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Speaker 11: And then, you know, I'm not sure how familiar you

641
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Speaker 11: guys are with the Dolphin School and the connection through

642
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Speaker 11: Barr's family with the Dolphin.

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Speaker 9: School, but I think that you know, bears some scrutiny

644
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Speaker 9: as well.

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Speaker 4: And just sticking on your point about the video, he

646
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Speaker 4: described it as like a perfect storm of screw ups

647
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Speaker 4: that had happened. He said, I can understand people who

648
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Speaker 4: immediately whose minds went to the sort of worst case

649
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Speaker 4: scenario because it was a perfect storm of screw ups.

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Speaker 4: Those were his comments to the Associated Press back in

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Speaker 4: November of twenty nineteen. So I guess, you know, on

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Speaker 4: the if he's saying that all of this was basically

653
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Speaker 4: just accidental that led to Epstein's death, this is all

654
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Speaker 4: just happenstance. It just was this perfect storm of screw ups.

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Speaker 4: What's your perspective as somebody who's been there and sort

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Speaker 4: of knows all of these things would have had to

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Speaker 4: have been, Like, if that's true, tell us what that means.

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Speaker 4: Like the odds of all of these these screw ups

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Speaker 4: happening quote unquote.

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Speaker 11: Screw Yes, I think the odds are fairly low. The

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Speaker 11: problem is, you know Bill Barr's personal knowledge. He can

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Speaker 11: claim that he doesn't have like intimate understanding of the

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Speaker 11: running of these facilities, right, that when he was Attorney General,

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Speaker 11: that he had a director of the Bureau of Prisons,

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Speaker 11: you know, to whom he entrusted, you know, these matters,

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Speaker 11: and that these things generally don't rise didn't rise to

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Speaker 11: his levels. I don't know like what in particular you

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Speaker 11: could ask him, except again, if you know, if he's

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Speaker 11: on the record saying that he watched the video and

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Speaker 11: you know, putting forth that narrative that this video is conclusive,

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Speaker 11: and I think he's got a real problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well, Marty, thanks so much. We'll continue

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Speaker 3: to follow your your reporting on this.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate you joining.

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Speaker 9: Us here, no problem, Ryan, thanks again for having me.

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Speaker 5: And your substack, Marty g Dot substack.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you want to study these diagrams closer,

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Speaker 4: go over to Marty G.

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Speaker 3: DoD We'll put your piece in the show notes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, thank you, Thanks Abody. President Trump called into

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Speaker 4: CNBC yesterday talking to a pretty friendly audience, at least

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Speaker 4: he expected to be a friendly audience. We got some

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Speaker 4: interesting moments to push back because Ryan, he was on

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Speaker 4: a tear yesterday he was on one. So just I

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Speaker 4: was going to say, bizarre.

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Speaker 3: Stocked up the studia fed at the beginning of the month,

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Speaker 3: so he's going to be ride and high for like

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Speaker 3: another week.

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Speaker 4: Let's uh, without further ado role B one, where.

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Speaker 12: Do you get the notion that it's rigged or do

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Speaker 12: you have any evidence there?

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Speaker 13: It is antiquated, but it's also very political. And you know,

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Speaker 13: I had an election recently where I did very well,

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Speaker 13: won every swing state, won the popular vote, won everything

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Speaker 13: all right. Days before the election, they put out numbers

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Speaker 13: that it was like the country was on fire, it

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Speaker 13: was doing so well. And then they did a revision

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Speaker 13: about two weeks later, and the revision was down by

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Speaker 13: almost nine hundred thousand jobs.

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Speaker 14: You remember that.

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Speaker 12: Those were benchmark numbers, O mus that happens.

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Speaker 15: They do that.

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Speaker 12: They do that twice a year, and it reconcileed the

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Speaker 12: monthly figures with like the overall numbers, and it was

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Speaker 12: a big number, and obviously the numbers were rigged.

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Speaker 14: The numbers were rigged. Biden wasn't doing well, he was

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Speaker 14: doing poorly.

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Speaker 12: Perhaps with the tariffs, some businesses delayed some spending, some

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Speaker 12: consumers may have been less certain.

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Speaker 5: About the future.

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Speaker 12: So maybe we're seeing a slight slow down in labor.

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Speaker 12: But you're going to get exactly what you want based

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Speaker 12: on these numbers. Which ones you believe? Do you not

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Speaker 12: believe that the revised numbers.

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Speaker 14: Either, it's not what I want. I don't want that.

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Speaker 14: I wanted it a year ago. I wanted it a

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Speaker 14: long time ago.

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Speaker 13: J Powell is highly political, and I think you know,

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Speaker 13: I call him too late.

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Speaker 14: Jerome too late Powell. He's too late. He's too late always,

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Speaker 14: he always has been.

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Speaker 4: So that's obviously with again pretty friendly audience and Joe

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Speaker 4: Kernan still getting pushed back on points.

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Speaker 3: Right, And I think the friendliness has limits when it

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Speaker 3: comes to Wall Street here because the United States's reputation

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Speaker 3: for accurate financial data is central to its role as

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Speaker 3: the dominant financial services sector industry in the world. Like

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Speaker 3: we don't make anything really and because we're able to

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Speaker 3: move money around, which we skim off the top, Like

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Speaker 3: that's the that's basically what our economy does right now.

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Speaker 3: We can do that because we have a military and

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Speaker 3: because we have a trusted financial system. If you are

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Speaker 3: an oligarch anywhere in the world and you put your

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Speaker 3: money with Goldman or with JP Morgan, you expect that

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Speaker 3: that money is going to be there. And that if

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Speaker 3: they tell you that CDs are paying four point one percent,

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Speaker 3: CDs are paying four point one percent, And that if

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Speaker 3: the economic forecasts are said to buy the United States

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Speaker 3: government to be this, that they are that that job

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Speaker 3: losses are this, that's that, that is their best estimate,

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Speaker 3: and their debt, the United States debt is what they

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Speaker 3: say it is. Argentina for many years, for instance, Greece,

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Speaker 3: a bunch of other countries when they got into trouble,

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Speaker 3: they would fudge their numbers.

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Speaker 5: Greece, Argentina was just straight up.

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Speaker 3: Like lying and hiding debt, and so then people stop

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Speaker 3: trusting the numbers that were coming out of Argentina, and

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Speaker 3: so then they would they would cost Argentina more to borrow.

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Speaker 5: So wals wall Street.

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Speaker 3: Actually deeply cares about this and does not want Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump to play around with this.

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Speaker 4: That's a great point.

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Speaker 3: That's it's core to their whole thing. Doug Henwood, your

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Speaker 3: buddy left. Yes, actually, there you go. He's a friend

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Speaker 3: of mine, Marxist economist, you know, terrific left wing economists.

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Speaker 5: He posted the other day chiding the left.

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Speaker 3: He said, with Trump about to try to fake economic stats,

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Speaker 3: it's not very helpful for leftists to say they we

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Speaker 3: are already cooked.

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Speaker 5: They're not.

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Speaker 3: I follow this stuff very closely and have for years.

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Speaker 3: They're very good and assembled by civil servants who take

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Speaker 3: their jobs very seriously. So that's that goes to Trump's

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Speaker 3: point that that it's very political.

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Speaker 5: It's not.

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Speaker 3: Anybody watching this show knows I don't have a lot

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Speaker 3: good to say about the United States or the United

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Speaker 3: States government.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 5: Is that fair?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 5: That's fair.

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Speaker 4: That might be our primary source of disagreement.

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Speaker 3: Our bureaucrats in the civil service take their jobs very seriously.

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Speaker 3: Whether you're whether Trump is in the White House or

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Speaker 3: whether a Democrat is in the White House. They are

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Speaker 3: doing their very best to put out the numbers. Now,

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Speaker 3: what could have happened in the last six months that

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Speaker 3: might make it more difficult for civil servants to have

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Speaker 3: done a perfect job?

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Speaker 4: Can you think of anything not off the top of

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Speaker 4: my head?

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Speaker 3: Ryan, Well, if you're spending two of your days writing

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Speaker 3: an email about what you did the five days. If

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Speaker 3: a bunch of people in your office are taking buyouts

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Speaker 3: from DOGE, a bunch of people who are on probation

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Speaker 3: for whatever reasons, they just moved there, they just got hired,

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Speaker 3: just filled the spot. If they got fired, well, now

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Speaker 3: you don't have them. And if you had a hiring

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Speaker 3: freeze and now you can't, you know, it's tough to

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Speaker 3: hire going into the election, then you have a hiring

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Speaker 3: freeze it's running basically till now. That could perhaps make

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Speaker 3: it a little bit trickier to do your job.

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Speaker 5: Like I mean, let's let's just be honest like that.

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Speaker 5: Of course it would. Is that why they had a large.

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Speaker 3: Fluctuation and the numbers and this significant correction Probably not

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Speaker 3: I think what your buddy over at CNBC was saying

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Speaker 3: has something to do with it. Trump is throwing the

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Speaker 3: economy into chaos. In order for these month to month

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Speaker 3: numbers to be as accurate as possible, they get survey

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Speaker 3: data in they are obviously not counting everything in the country.

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Speaker 3: Think about it. Think about how you get these numbers.

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Speaker 3: It's it's surveys. You talk to zero point zero zero

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Speaker 3: percent of businesses to try to get an idea of

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Speaker 3: where things are heading, and then you compare that to

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Speaker 3: your projections and to what's been happening in the past.

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Speaker 3: But if you're if tariffs are going wild, and if

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Speaker 3: you're striking deals and then breaking deals, then what good

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Speaker 3: are your projections in your past results? Now you have

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Speaker 3: to just kind of go off your surveys. If you

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Speaker 3: have fewer civil servants to collect surveys and to input

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Speaker 3: the data, then you have less data. And if businesses

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Speaker 3: are consumed by trying to figure out how they're going

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Speaker 3: to weather this upcoming crisis created by this completely unpredictable

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Speaker 3: economic environment, they're going to be less likely to return

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Speaker 3: their surveys on time. Like this is all just common

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Speaker 3: sense nowhere in that also, think about this, Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: is saying that this Biden appointed civil servant who you know,

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Speaker 3: got like ninety six votes in the Center or whatever,

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Speaker 3: falsely claimed that the economy was doing better after Trump's

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Speaker 3: tariff rollout and then only later revised it downward. So like,

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Speaker 3: why would a Biden person, let's say they want to

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Speaker 3: hurt Trump, why would they falsely.

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Speaker 5: Elevate the numbers for Trump?

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Speaker 3: Right, after his tariff rollout, Right, if they were a

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Speaker 3: Biden person trying to hurt Trump, they would.

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Speaker 5: Lower the numbers, not increase the numbers.

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Speaker 3: Unless they were unless it was this three D chess

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Speaker 3: where they know that Trump is actually going to destroy

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Speaker 3: the country with these tariffs and didn't want him to

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Speaker 3: see the damage that he was already doing, so they

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Speaker 3: wanted to bait him all the way in like that's

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Speaker 3: the only remotely plausible there you have here. And if

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Speaker 3: that's the case, then Trump would have to be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: maybe this whole thing is actually a bad idea.

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Speaker 5: So anyway that like that's why.

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Speaker 3: Wall Street is upset because this is this is their

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Speaker 3: bread and butter. Yeah, their bread is buttered by accurate

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Speaker 3: data that people trust around the world.

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Speaker 4: Like product. Yeah, it's it's actually what they're and it's.

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Speaker 5: All they have.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think that guy has anything else he can do?

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Speaker 4: No, Joe Kurnan, Yeah, no way. I mean you can talk,

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Speaker 4: you can talk on TV.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can work for the NFL owned ESPN.

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Speaker 4: Oh, yes, that's right, that that broke yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the NFL is going to own ten percent of

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Speaker 3: ESPN and including some media outlets.

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Speaker 4: Sounds fun. So I'm actually gonna go ahead one element

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Speaker 4: because just to make Ryan's point about Trump and Wall Street,

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Speaker 4: like the limits of Wall Street's favorability towards Trump. It's

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Speaker 4: interesting because Trump's position on migrants, and maybe I'm even

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Speaker 4: going to read too much into whatever he says here

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Speaker 4: and you can listen to it, but Trump's position on

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Speaker 4: immigration seems to also depend on who's calling up and

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Speaker 4: saying that too many of their workers in an industry

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Speaker 4: are getting deported. So this is B three.

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Speaker 13: But we're taking care of our We can't let our

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Speaker 13: farmers not have anybody. You know, these are very these

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Speaker 13: people that you can't replace them very easily. You know,

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Speaker 13: people that live in the inner city are not doing

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Speaker 13: that work. They're just not doing that work. And they've tried,

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Speaker 13: We've tried, everybody tried.

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Speaker 14: They don't do it.

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Speaker 13: These people do it naturally, naturally.

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Speaker 14: I said, what happens if they get it?

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Speaker 13: To a farmer the other day, what happens if they

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Speaker 13: get a bad back? He said, they don't get a

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Speaker 13: bad back, sir, because if they get a bad back,

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Speaker 13: they die.

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Speaker 14: He said, that's interesting.

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Speaker 4: What do you make of that?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 5: Insanely racist and gross and weird, very weird.

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Speaker 3: And it's always it always amuses me that in Trump's imagination,

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Speaker 3: everyone always calls him sir because his dad wanted people

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Speaker 3: to call him sir. Yeah, and so everybody who walks

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Speaker 3: up to Trump's, according to Trump, says sir.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, that's.

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Speaker 4: Why he thanks them for their attention to any given man.

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Speaker 3: It undermines the you know, the right often says that

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Speaker 3: right often rightly criticizes liberals when they defend immigration by saying,

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Speaker 3: who do you think mm hm cleans the toilets and

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Speaker 3: cuts the lawn and picks the fruit, as if that

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Speaker 3: is a defense of a you know, multi tier hierarchical

887
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Speaker 3: system in which some people have no rights and are

888
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: underpaid and exploited. And this completely undermines that attempt to

889
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: criticize that rightful criticism of liberals to say that, well, actually.

890
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 4: We need some easily exploitable We.

891
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: Need people because if people paid in cast no rules whatsoever,

892
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 3: so if they get hurt, they just die.

893
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 5: So that's what we need.

894
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 3: And that is that is certainly one way to run

895
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Speaker 3: an economy and is kind of the way that we've

896
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Speaker 3: been running it for a very long time. But that

897
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: doesn't make it right. In fact, it's quite obviously, when

898
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: put in those stark terms, so wrong.

899
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Speaker 4: And this is not the first time he's ruled out

900
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 4: that argument. Obviously, there's been reporting for the last several

901
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 4: months that Brooke Rollins, Secretary Agricultural Secretary, had been getting

902
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 4: calls from business owners.

903
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 5: And with these farmers basically, and.

904
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Speaker 4: Stephen Miller is his entire position on immigration. He's from

905
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 4: the Los Angeles area, was very much forged in that

906
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 4: kind of class cauldron of you know, went to fancy

907
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 4: private school and everything, and that was essential if you

908
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Speaker 4: see the kind of origin story of Stephen Miller from

909
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Speaker 4: California as being important, which I think it is. He

910
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 4: he says he saw that up close and personal, and

911
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: saw the way people are exploited up close and personal,

912
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 4: and it's undermined that that entire and if that's the

913
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 4: predicate of your immigration policy, that this is the sort

914
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Speaker 4: of elites relying on and under the and that is

915
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 4: not the only predicit for Steven Miller's immigration policy. To

916
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 4: be clear, that's not what I'm saying, but it's part

917
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 4: of it. Part of it is that part of the

918
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 4: argument that people on the right make all the time,

919
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 4: and I think it's a correct argument, is that this

920
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 4: is sort of elites who want to rely on an underpaid,

921
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 4: easily exploitable workforce. That's not an argument against immigration altogether,

922
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 4: you know, if we were to debate the topic more deeply,

923
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 4: but it is an argument against the system of immigration

924
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Speaker 4: that we have. And so Donald Trump repeatedly brook Rollins

925
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 4: apparently as well, making these arguments and making these carve outs.

926
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Speaker 4: I mean, the average sort of MAGA voter is way

927
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Speaker 4: more in the substance on this with Stephen Miller than

928
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 4: they are with let's have carve outs for people in hospitality,

929
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 4: because Donald Trump knows that industry really well. And you

930
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 4: think about all of the objections and the right to

931
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 4: the system. They involve people, for example, steal social security numbers,

932
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Speaker 4: which is a real thing. A lot of immigrant laborers

933
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 4: have stolen social Security numbers and thrust people whose social

934
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Speaker 4: Security numbers are stolen, whose identity is stolen, to complete

935
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 4: uncertainty because cartels sell those numbers. If you are against

936
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 4: all of those different downstream consequences of our current system,

937
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 4: donald Trump is making an argument that those downstream consequences

938
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: are fine because the cost benefit analysis of what would

939
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 4: happen to these industries works out in favor of the

940
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Speaker 4: rich business owners. So it just I think everyone who

941
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 4: watches this show knows that the right makes these arguments

942
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 4: all of the time. Sager is someone who makes these

943
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 4: arguments very articulately, and it's just like Trump is when

944
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 4: it's not favorable, not on board with those like sort

945
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 4: of central tenets of the post twenty sixteen Republican parties

946
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 4: approach to immigration.

947
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 5: Right.

948
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trump just wants to live in the land of rhetoric,

949
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 3: not yes, not actually do anything.

950
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 5: He mean, it's a construction guy.

951
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 4: He wants to be popular with people. He wants to

952
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Speaker 4: be popular.

953
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Speaker 3: With and he wants to Yeah, he wants to demonize

954
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 3: people and murders and rapists, but he doesn't actually want

955
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: to do the thing. Stephen Miller wants to do the thing,

956
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: and that's where the conflict comes in. Yeah, that's right,

957
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 3: because they're also they're not designing anything new to replace it.

958
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 3: Because he's right that if you go and arrest everybody

959
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: and throw them out, you actually do not have enough

960
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: labor in the country absent. You just don't have enough

961
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 3: labor in the country to do the things that we

962
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Speaker 3: need done like that, that is true, So that's a

963
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: structural question.

964
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Speaker 4: Well and not right now, but Steven Miller and I

965
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 4: mean many people would respond by saying, that's exactly why

966
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 4: you need to have this process of job openings. And

967
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 4: like there's a Wall Street Journal article that a lot

968
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Speaker 4: of people on the right were passing around a couple

969
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 4: of weeks ago about how deportations at in Nebraska. I

970
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 4: want to say it was a meat packing plant had happened,

971
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 4: and the like waiting room to apply for the job

972
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Speaker 4: was full of residents of Nebraska after people were deported.

973
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Speaker 4: And there are going to be pockets where we see

974
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Speaker 4: examples like that, but it's not going to be even

975
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: spread out. And that's what Trump is doing, is not.

976
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 4: So is that idea that that's.

977
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Speaker 3: Good, because like throughout American history, bosses have used migrant labor,

978
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: both both internally inside the United States and also internationally

979
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: to undermine labor unions and worker power.

980
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 5: Like that's that's a thing that was.

981
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 4: Completely against it for that reason. Could talk about the

982
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 4: evolution over time on traves on that, but it was

983
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 4: not uncommon as a position at all, you know, in

984
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 4: the sixties, for the pro worker left and Bernie Sanders

985
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 4: up to what fifteen years ago somewhere around there on

986
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 4: illegal immigration as well. So yeah, that's I think we

987
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 4: will absolutely see pockets of examples like that Nebraska meat

988
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 4: packing factory and to the extent that helps people in

989
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 4: the community.

990
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 3: And if Democrats would just make their immigration focused bosses

991
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: who exploit workers, yeah they would, then they'd be able

992
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 3: to use those Nebraska examples to their credit, be like, look, see,

993
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 3: we told you it's the it's these greedy bosses exactly.

994
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 4: And don't think that those bosses aren't complicit in the system.

995
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 4: Don't think that those bosses aren't helping people find different

996
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: ways to get around the citizenship or maybe they use

997
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: e verifyer whatever it is. Yeah, of course, and don't

998
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 4: think that, yeah, they're not advertising in different ways. And

999
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 4: also don't think that the people who are going to

1000
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 4: get those jobs at a Nebraska meatpacking packing plant are

1001
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: all going to be white. They're not. They will also

1002
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 4: probably be a lot of black Americans, Hispanic Americans who

1003
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 4: are who were born here or legal residents here or

1004
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 4: citizens I should say, who get those jobs too. So Ryan,

1005
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 4: it is interesting because what you were saying about Trump

1006
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 4: and the data and how Wall Street is like has

1007
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 4: some of the red lines. He's what he chooses, the

1008
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 4: battles that he chooses are kind of interesting. Yeah, and unpredicted.

1009
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1010
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 4: So let's actually go ahead and put speaking of Trump

1011
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 4: being unpredictable. Uh this for some reason that I still

1012
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 4: have actually not gotten to the bottom of. Maybe it

1013
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 4: was to look at the new Rose Garden construction or

1014
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 4: the new White House patio construction. Donald Trump went to

1015
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 4: the roof of the White House yesterday capping what was

1016
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 4: a strange what morning early afternoon and took questions, let's

1017
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 4: roll B two here, take a little you know.

1018
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 6: Love.

1019
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 16: Peter's looking good, Peter.

1020
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 4: Why do you why.

1021
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 9: Spend my money?

1022
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 4: Well, let me show you.

1023
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 6: It's just another way to spend my money for the country.

1024
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 4: Anything I do is finance by me. Okay, if you're

1025
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 4: listening to that, what you missed is at one point

1026
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 4: he does the contours of something with his hands. He

1027
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 4: like sort of needs a I don't even know how

1028
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 4: you would describe it. Looks like he makes a uh

1029
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 4: like a circular and order. But yeah, it's with his hands.

1030
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 4: So I guess having our best assumption is that he

1031
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 4: is looking at more construction based on that. By the way,

1032
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 4: it is just such an undignified position for the reporters

1033
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 4: to be in showing up at the president. Why are

1034
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 4: you on the roof? What are you doing? Are you

1035
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 4: considering more construction? And come down and talk to us.

1036
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 4: But that is where the pool found themselves yesterday as

1037
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: Donald Trump took a trip up to the roof, would

1038
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 4: not say why, and proceeded to compliment could have been

1039
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 4: Peter Alexander. I'm assuming it was Peter Doocey when he

1040
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 4: said looking good, Peter looking good. And that was how

1041
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 4: Donald Trump Spence's Tuesday.

1042
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: And as he continues to flirt with ways to serve

1043
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: out additional terms, I find it a little extra discomforting

1044
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: the extent to which he's taking an interest in renovations

1045
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 3: to the White House, like he looks like he's planning

1046
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 3: on staying he wants to.

1047
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 5: That's actually a.

1048
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 4: Good point, because he did. He made comments about that

1049
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 4: again yesterday, right that he said something extensive like he

1050
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 4: probably won't run for a third term, so ill We'll

1051
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 4: have to find that quote. But yeah, that's what I

1052
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 4: hadn't thought about that they did that.

1053
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 5: I was settling in.

1054
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 4: They did the patio pretty quickly.

1055
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 5: I can't say an agent place everything on the first floor.

1056
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. This is the last thing I want to say

1057
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 4: about that clip is when so I was in the

1058
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 4: pool the day he toured the FED, and I have

1059
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 4: this video of him descending the stairs the temporataires that

1060
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 4: the construction workers put up, and he pauses and spends

1061
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 4: time like on a catwalk, just servying. You can see

1062
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 4: his like the wheels turning in his head, surveying the

1063
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 4: construction itself, and like this is what he loves more

1064
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 4: than anything, Like, shouldn't he just appoint himself like the

1065
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 4: national like head of the Capital Architecture Group or whatever

1066
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 4: it is, Like that would probably be more fun for

1067
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 4: him as president.

1068
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 5: It's as president, Yeah, it's what he wants to do.

1069
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 5: Be a figurehead.

1070
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a royal figure basically kind of it's the

1071
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: head of state, but doesn't really have to be calling

1072
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: Randy Fine to get his vote on.

1073
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 4: Speaking of undignified, Yeah, that's an undignified position to find

1074
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 4: yourself in. And speaking of Randy Fine, let's get into

1075
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 4: a new updates for the Trump administration on their plans

1076
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 4: for aid distribution in Gaza. This is a report from

1077
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 4: Axios that Trump now plans to quote unquote take over

1078
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 4: the Gaza Aid expert Gaza Aid effort, according to US officials.

1079
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 4: This is Barack reveed story. Also Mark Pudo is on it.

1080
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 4: Whose sources in Trump World, Good sources in Trump World

1081
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 4: and Access reports that Steve Whitcoff and Trump discussed plans

1082
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 4: for the US to significantly increase its role in providing

1083
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 4: humanitary and aid to Gaza in a meeting Monday evening

1084
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 4: at the White House. According to officials, and is really

1085
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 4: official with knowledge of the issue, Trump is set to

1086
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 4: make remarks. I believe he's set to make remarks at

1087
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 4: the White House tonight. Brian, So, I expect. I think

1088
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: it's probably fair to expect that that's what this will

1089
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 4: be in relation.

1090
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 3: To Yeah, and we've got a little bit of Trump

1091
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 3: teasing where he is on this now.

1092
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 5: If we want to roll CE two.

1093
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 11: Would you support Israel reoccupying all of Gaza has been

1094
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 11: has been suggested by some israelifficial.

1095
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know what the suggestion is. I know

1096
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 6: that we are there now trying to get people fed.

1097
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 6: As you know, sixty million dollars was given by the

1098
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 6: United States fairly recently to supply food and a lot

1099
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 6: of food frankly for the people of Gaza that are

1100
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 6: obviously not doing too well with the food. And I

1101
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Speaker 6: know Israel is going to help us with that in

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Speaker 6: terms of distribution and also money. We also have the

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Speaker 6: Arab States are going to help us with that in

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Speaker 6: terms of the money and possibly distribution. So that's what

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Speaker 6: I'm focused on. As far as the rest of it,

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Speaker 6: I really can say that's going to be pretty much

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Speaker 6: up to Israel.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: And the.

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Speaker 3: Mechanism of aid distribution is a central sticking point in

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Speaker 3: negotiations which are now stalled between Hamas and Israel, with

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Speaker 3: Hamas insisting that the previous aid distribution system run by

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Speaker 3: the UN and a cohort of international aid organizations which

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Speaker 3: have four hundred pre existing aid sites around Gaza, be

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Speaker 3: re implemented. And their argument is that if you are

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Speaker 3: concerned about the trucks getting looted as they come in,

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Speaker 3: then you need to send in more than five or

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Speaker 3: ten trucks a day, because these crowds just swarm if

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Speaker 3: they know there's only five trucks.

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Speaker 5: It's just a game theory situation.

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Speaker 3: If you know there's only five trucks coming in for

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Speaker 3: the entire day for two million people, then it's worth

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Speaker 3: it to you to risk your life to try to

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Speaker 3: be right next to the truck so that you can

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Speaker 3: pull whatever you can off of it. But if you

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Speaker 3: know that there are a thousand trucks getting in a

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Speaker 3: day and they're at these four hundred different sites, then

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Speaker 3: you're just going to go to the site where you're

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Speaker 3: assigned to and you're going to get the rations that

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Speaker 3: you're entitled to.

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Speaker 5: Like, that's.

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Speaker 3: Why we did not see these violent scenes. And we

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Speaker 3: can roll now CEE three this vo that's why we

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Speaker 3: did not see violent scenes like this.

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Speaker 5: Up until Israel took over a distribution.

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Speaker 3: This is a compilation just from yesterday that with another

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00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 3: massacre outside of an AID site. You can hear the

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Speaker 3: gunshots in the background. If you can see this man

1139
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 3: kind of taking his final breaths and you have this.

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Speaker 5: This kind of this in code.

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00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 3: Vision if you if you're watching this, there's the crystal

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Speaker 3: blue water in the background of this. Yeah, uh, this

1143
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 3: gorgeous Mediterranean scene surrounded by absolute apocalypse and it's person

1144
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 3: after person we're trying to get AID and then it

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00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 3: and it finishes if with the man who was filming

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00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 3: it realizes that he's filming his cousin and he starts

1147
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Speaker 3: calling out his cousin's name.

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Speaker 5: At the at the very end there.

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Speaker 3: So this is this is the aid distribution system that

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00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 3: Israel's defending in its negotiations with AMAS, and that Trump says,

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01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: it's that we are going to continue to fund and

1152
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: and become involved with, involved with just to not go

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01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 3: back to the original system. Alon Levy, who used to

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Speaker 3: be the Israel spokesperson before he was fired for getting

1155
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 3: in a fight with like a UN diplomat.

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Speaker 4: This was after October seventh, after October seventh.

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01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, just this morning posted something I wanted to share

1158
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Speaker 3: and maybe I can we can add this in posts

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Speaker 3: He shared a Andrew Fox, a reporter. They brought him

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Speaker 3: to a distribution site, and Alan is sharing this Andrew

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Speaker 3: Fox's report.

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Speaker 5: He Alon writes, just just think about this for a second.

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Speaker 3: This is what Alon says as his own He thinks

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01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: this makes Israel sound good. He says, idf uses warning

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01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 3: shots to control crowds outside, i e. Firing over people's

1166
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Speaker 3: heads or at open ground to deter stampedes. Andrew Fox

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Speaker 3: says he has quote deeply uncomfortable with live fire for

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Speaker 3: crowd control, but there are quote few alternatives. Crowds are

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Speaker 3: unruly potentially infiltrated by Hamas. So according to Israel's own propaganda,

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Speaker 3: they are firing live rounds over people's heads, are at

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Speaker 3: open ground to quote deter stampedes, which is, have you

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01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: ever heard of shooting at a crowd to deter a stampede? Separately,

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Speaker 3: they're saying that their crowds are quote potentially infiltrated by Hamas.

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Speaker 3: What on earth could that possibly mean? So you are

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01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 3: shooting into a crowd of unarmed Palestinians or sorry sorry

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01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: over them and into the ground accidentally, just keep killing

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Speaker 3: them every single day by the dozens. But you're saying

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Speaker 3: you're not. There's just warning shots, but you're doing it

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01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 3: because they're quote potentially infiltrated by Hamas. This is shared

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Speaker 3: by Alon Levy. Potentially infiltrate that what are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: It's just dishonest because the only correct approach then would

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Speaker 4: be to do no aid, and that's what a lot

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01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 4: of people, that's what a lot of Israeli officials would prefer.

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01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 4: We are going to talk to later.

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01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 5: Basically, what this ends up being.

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Speaker 4: We are going to talk later about Randy Fine, for example,

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01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 4: as as just someone who is in lockstep with Natzigna

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01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 4: who essentially saying Israel has no has no obligation to

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Speaker 4: provide humanitarian assistance to the people in Gaza, children, women,

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Speaker 4: civilians in Gaza. And that is I think the much

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Speaker 4: more honest position is as gross as it is. It

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Speaker 4: is the honest position saying that these crowds may be

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Speaker 4: infiltrated by hamas renders because anything could be infiltrated by Hamas.

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01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 4: It is the government of that lab right.

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Speaker 5: Why do we bomb that school?

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01:02:59,200 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 16: Well?

1197
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Speaker 5: Could have been traded by himas? Why'd you bomb the hospital?

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Speaker 5: Could have been infiltrated by himas?

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Speaker 4: And it's true, And I mean so, David Petraeus had

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01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 4: a piece. He's talked about this on and off for

1201
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 4: the last couple of years, that there are different ways

1202
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 4: to isolate military and civilian populations when you go in.

1203
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 4: He talks about strategies that the US used during the

1204
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 4: surge in I Rock that he sees as having been

1205
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 4: very successful, where you isolate the military the military threats

1206
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 4: in particular areas, and then you can go and do

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01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 4: humanitarian assistance to people outside of high security compounds in

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Speaker 4: for example, Gaza. But the point is, if you want

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01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 4: to still provide humanitarian aid because you think it helps

1210
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 4: your position in the world, or because you think it

1211
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 4: is the right thing to do because children are starving,

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01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 4: then saying that it might be infiltrated by hamas completely

1213
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 4: renders it impossible. So the only honest thing then to

1214
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 4: say is we're just not doing it. We have no

1215
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 4: obligation to do it.

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Speaker 3: Let the kids start, and there's a new Sky News

1217
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 3: fact check of the Ministry of Health casually figures that

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Speaker 3: we were going to talk about now, But I actually

1219
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 3: think it'd be better to talk about it after your

1220
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 3: monologue because it relates to it and to some of

1221
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 3: the pushback that you got.

1222
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Speaker 5: So let's move to your piece next.

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Speaker 4: All right, join me on a hypothetical journey. The year

1224
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Speaker 4: is twenty fourteen, and you're at one of the Conservative

1225
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 4: movements many annual conferences. The rubber chicken has been served

1226
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 4: at a dinner honoring some think tanks aging Cold War veteran.

1227
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Speaker 4: As coffee is poured, conversation at your table turns to

1228
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 4: maybe President Obama's latest dust up with Benjamin and Yahoo

1229
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 4: ever agrees Obama is undermining a key ally, but you

1230
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 4: mainstream Hannity watching conservative disagree. What has been happening to

1231
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 4: innocent people and children in Gaza is horrific. You contend

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01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 4: the United States should not be involved in fighting nuclear

1233
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 4: armed Israel's war with Iran, so that would go over

1234
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 4: about as well as a call for thirty five percent

1235
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 4: tariffs on Canada back in tw twenty fourteen. There's a

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01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 4: reason that Pat Buchanan was not invited to this dinner,

1237
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 4: and Ron Paul has been mocked as a crank during

1238
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 4: the keynote. You'd probably already be in the parking lot

1239
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 4: or in a shouting match by the time you were

1240
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 4: tablemates tucked into their slices of mediocre cheesecake. Both quotes, though,

1241
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 4: are sourced directly from Representative Marjorie Taylor greens x account

1242
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Speaker 4: this summer as the war Gaza approaches its two year mark,

1243
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 4: and quote food supplies in Gaza have dwindled, per a

1244
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 4: headline in the Wall Street Journal. Now, this is all

1245
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 4: part of what I wrote for Unheard this week, and

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01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 4: I had some interesting responses. The piece was headline that

1247
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 4: Israel is losing US support Israel's losing the US front is.

1248
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 4: I believe what the specific headline was, but wanted to

1249
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 4: go through a little bit of it here because some

1250
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 4: of the numbers that were getting from polling, combined with

1251
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 4: new comments from Marjorie Taylor Green, Steve Bannon, and others,

1252
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 4: I think really signal that we've reached a turning point

1253
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 4: on the right. And it might not show up in

1254
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 4: polling overall yet, and we're going to explain why, but

1255
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 4: it's coming for the Republican establishment. So Green, who is

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01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 4: one of Donald Trump's staunchest supporters in Congress, absolutely shattered

1257
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 4: another Republican taboo on Monday by describing Israel's treatment of

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Speaker 4: Palestinians as a quote unquote genocide. And Green is not alone.

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Speaker 4: Steve Bannon, who is of course one of the most

1260
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Speaker 4: popular right wing podcast hosts in America, recently argued quote

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Speaker 4: Netanyahu's government is out of control on Bannag's show. This

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Speaker 4: was very interesting. Former Blackwater CEO Eric Prince accused the

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Speaker 4: Israeli military of intentionally targeting a Catholic church in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: We covered that here, and Prince declared, quote the time

1265
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Speaker 4: of subsidizing the IDF as the American taxpayer must end.

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Speaker 4: So after that church was hit, Daily Wire host Michael

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Speaker 4: Knowles we covered it here, lamented quote, You're losing me.

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01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 4: You're losing me when you strike churches, the only church

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Speaker 4: in Gaza, even if accidentally, but especially if not accidentally,

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Speaker 4: You're losing me. At Turning Point USA's summer student conference,

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01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 4: the group hosted a debate on the subject between Dave

1272
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 4: Smith and Josh Hammer that exposed the conservative movement's new divide.

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01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 4: This is new Smith, who has called Ron Paul, for example,

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01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 4: the greatest living American hero, was greeted with cheers for

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01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 4: many attendees for criticisms of Israel that would have fallen

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01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 4: on deaf ears, if not hostile ears before the October

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Speaker 4: seventh attacks. Randy Fine, perhaps Israel's most aggressive defender in

1278
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 4: the House of Representatives, to say the least, has a

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Speaker 4: GOP primary challenger, and Aaron Baker, who's on the show

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01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 4: today and who's been eagerly hammering Fine for his comments

1281
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,959
Speaker 4: on Gossen's and his backing from the American Israel Public

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Speaker 4: Affairs Committee APAK. Quote. I do not support starving children,

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01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 4: Baker posted, adding I do not support punishing citizens for

1284
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 4: having the worst government in existence. Tucker Carlson, another of

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Speaker 4: the country's most popular broadcast released an episode of his

1286
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 4: podcast last Wednesday with John Meersheimer that was titled the

1287
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 4: Palestinian Genocide and how the West has been deceived into

1288
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 4: supporting it. Carlson and his guests have been consistently critical

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01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 4: of Natanyahu's government for months. That is even to address

1290
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 4: the outright anti semitism of other fringe voices with significant

1291
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 4: but not quite mainstream social media followings on the right

1292
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 4: as well. So, of course the horror and gaza right

1293
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Speaker 4: now is not an apples to Apple's comparison with the

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Speaker 4: twenty fourteen war, but that's kind of the point here.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of twenty fourteen, the Obama veterans over at Pod

1296
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 4: Save America are issuing their own Maya Kalpas from the left.

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Speaker 4: Barack Obama signed a ten year memorandum of understanding for

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01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 4: a three point three billion a year, So we are

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Speaker 4: part of the problem here, let's correct it. That was

1300
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 4: Tommy Veder talking last week on the show. He was

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01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 4: under Obama as national security spokesman, and he went on

1302
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 4: to say when the war ends, we're not going back

1303
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 4: to the pre October seventh status quo. He was then

1304
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 4: challenged on x by a critic who accused Veder of

1305
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 4: exacting a grudge against Nata Nahu from the Obama years,

1306
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 4: but Vita replied by saying, or stay with me here.

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01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 4: The entire world is horrified by what we're witnessing at Gaza,

1308
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 4: which is why this conversation is happening now and not

1309
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 4: back in twenty fifteen, for example, or basically, to put

1310
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 4: that shorter, things have changed now. You may or may

1311
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 4: not disagree with it, but it's obviously the perception of

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01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 4: Veda and many people on the right as well. In

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01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 4: addition to the sort of establishment left. There's little insights

1314
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 4: to be gleaned about the right itself from pods of America.

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Speaker 4: But in this case, Veda is correct that revulsion at

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Speaker 4: the humanitarian crisis in Gaza is just no longer limited

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01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:39,919
Speaker 4: to progressives. This movement is nationwide, and it's so sweeping

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Speaker 4: that it's dragging people on the right away from Israel,

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01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 4: even as conservatives triple down on the support for the war.

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Speaker 4: The rights divide is sharpening. But what's eroded since October

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01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 4: seventh is basically the stigma of criticizing Israel. Gallup has

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Speaker 4: been tracking public opinion on the Gaza war since its

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Speaker 4: earliest weeks. On Tuesday, the firm released stark new findings

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Speaker 4: quote last Tuesday, Americans approval of Israel's military action in

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Speaker 4: Gaza has fallen ten percentage points since the prior measurement

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Speaker 4: in September, and it is now at thirty two percent,

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Speaker 4: the lowest reading since Gallop first asked the question in

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Speaker 4: November twenty twenty three. Disapproval of the military action has

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01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 4: now reached sixty percent. That's from the report. Gallup survey

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Speaker 4: found a stunning golf between Democrats and independence on one side

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Speaker 4: and Republicans on the other. Get this, seventy one percent

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01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 4: of Republicans still approve of Israel's military action in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: That number is only twenty five percent among independents and

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Speaker 4: eight percent among Democrats. For what it's worth, the same

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01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 4: poll found that Trump's approval rating has declined seventeen points

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01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 4: among independents since the start of his second term, and

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01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 4: only twenty seven percent of his handling approve right now

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Speaker 4: of his handling of the conflict. That number means less

1339
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 4: to Republicans in red states and primary elections, but in

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01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 4: swing districts, battleground states, and nationwide races. It's hugely significant

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01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 4: Independence split evenly between Trump and Harris last November, and

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Speaker 4: that itself was actually gained for Trump because he erased

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01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 4: Democrats nine point advantage with Independence in the twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 4: Back in twenty twenty two, before the war, Independence fell

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01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 4: at seventy one percent when it came to favorability for Israel,

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01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 4: squarely between Republicans at eighty one percent and Democrats at

1347
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 4: sixty three percent. It's true that even in twenty twenty four,

1348
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 4: Israel ranked low among voters' priorities when choosing between candidates.

1349
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 4: But it's also true that Republicans counted for years on

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01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 4: the reflexive support for the Israeli government, or they counted

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01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 4: on receiving a reflexive support for the Israeli government from

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01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 4: moderates and from GOP faithfuls. Now the incentive structure has

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01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 4: been transformed, and I think that's the most important point

1354
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 4: here for the GOP. This fissure looks poised to get

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01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 4: much worse. A Pew survey the spring found that Republicans

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01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 4: under fifty are about as likely to have a negative

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01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 4: view of Israel as a positive one, that is fifty

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01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 4: percent to forty eight percent in twenty twenty two, though

1359
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 4: they were much more likely peuceas to see Israel positively

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01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 4: than negatively sixty three versus thirty five percent. That is

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01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 4: a shock fucking change, especially as anger generations begin to

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01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 4: comprise more and more of the electorate. Bannon himself put

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Speaker 4: it best when he told Politico last week, quote, it

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 4: seems that for the under thirty under thirty year old

1365
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 4: MAGA base, Israel has almost no support, he observed. Bannon

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01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 4: further believes it's not just young MAGA, but that Netanyahu's

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 4: attempt quote to save himself politically by dragging America in

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01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 4: deeper to another Middle East war has turned off a

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01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 4: large swath of older MAGA diehards. Ryan. There are a

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Speaker 4: couple of reasons for this, I mean, there are obvious

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Speaker 4: reasons for this, one of which is that the level

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Speaker 4: of the scale of devastation and destruction in Gaza is

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01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 4: different than what we saw in twenty fourteen. As horrible

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01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 4: as it was before, this is a different scale. I

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01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 4: think that's obviously the most important reason. But also the

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Speaker 4: erosion of the power of gatekeepers I was going through

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01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 4: hypothetically yesterday actually with Doug Henwood, thinking you in twenty fourteen,

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01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 4: would Marjorie Taylor Green say that this is a genocide

1379
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Speaker 4: when it would absolutely black out her media mentions everywhere.

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Speaker 4: She would never get on Fox again, she would be

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01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 4: treated as a pariah. Now she can go on a

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01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 4: war room, she can go on Newsmax, she can go

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01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 4: on social media and still get a huge response for

1384
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 4: saying that, even if people don't agree with it whatever.

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 4: That would have in twenty fourteen, the incentive structure to

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01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 4: come out and say that didn't exist. You would have

1387
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 4: been blacked out everywhere. So I think the erosion of

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01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 4: the gatekeepers is a big one. And also gen Z

1389
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 4: younger millennials not really remembering the time before nine to

1390
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 4: eleven and just remembering the stalemates of the global war

1391
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 4: and terror after nine to eleven coming up in that era.

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01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 4: Those are the three big factors that I think right

1393
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 4: now go into it.

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01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 3: And the politico social gatekeepers still remain in effect. And

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01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 3: I'm curious for the response that you've gotten to this

1396
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 3: piece since it was published in Unheard. I think it's

1397
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 3: a good piece and it lays out the situation quite well.

1398
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 3: But to me, it's straightforward, it's mild, it's not offensive.

1399
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 3: It was like, this is this is these are the facts,

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01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 3: These is what the polls say, this is how people

1401
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:10,959
Speaker 3: are responding to this, and yet it seems like you're still.

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01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 5: Getting blowback for it.

1403
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, you talk a little bit about what your what

1404
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 3: the reaction has been, like.

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01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 4: People probably saw this play out in next but yeah, there's.

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01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 3: Uh, probably not like because we don't like if you're

1407
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 3: not in particular ecosystems on Twitter, like you just don't

1408
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 3: even see what's going on.

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01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if you were, if you follow me

1410
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 4: closely for whatever reason, Uh, first of all, that's your mistake.

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01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 4: Second of all, Yeah, there was a little bit, a

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01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 4: little bit of back and forth with a fairly close

1413
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 4: former colleague. It sucks. I mean you you've gone through

1414
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 4: this on the left with some of your own people.

1415
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 4: It's it's never fun. But uh, what's what's that for me?

1416
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 4: And we've been really open about it here and I

1417
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 4: feel like transparent, at least I've tried to be transparent.

1418
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 4: As my own views on this have evolved, a lot

1419
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 4: of people who I trust and listened to. I started

1420
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 4: basically on the other side of this. You know, I

1421
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 4: started changing before October seventh, but afterwards a lot of

1422
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 4: people just I listened to everything that they said and

1423
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 4: read everything they wrote, and there's just nothing that's persuasive

1424
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 4: to me anymore that we should be sort of reflexively

1425
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 4: supportive of Netsan Yahu and his decisions about how to

1426
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 4: prosecute this war. So it's just frustrating because you just

1427
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 4: keep hitting a brick wall right that it's you're spending

1428
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 4: too much time with Ryan Grimm or whatever, and it's.

1429
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 3: Like, well, one of the things you cited in the piece,

1430
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 3: and as soon as I saw it, I knew you'd

1431
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 3: get some backlash for it was data from the gods

1432
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 3: and Ministry of Health and you didn't call it the

1433
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 3: Hamas run Ministry of Health.

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01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 5: Yes, sure will make people angry.

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01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 3: Yes, But for people who who are earnestly confused about

1436
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 3: this question and wonder what they can trust and should

1437
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 3: they believe the numbers coming out of the Ministry of Health,

1438
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,759
Speaker 3: we do have something for you here. So Sky News,

1439
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 3: which is as pro Israel a British news outlet as

1440
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 3: you could possibly find, set out to fact check the

1441
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 3: Ministry of Health's data, and I don't know what they

1442
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 3: expected they would find. Maybe they went into it in

1443
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 3: an unbiased way. Doesn't matter, because to their credit they

1444
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 3: published the results of their investigation and what they did

1445
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 3: was smart.

1446
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 5: They took one day of.

1447
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 3: Deaths reported by the Ministry of Health and they were

1448
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 3: was it four hundred, four hundred and four roughly more

1449
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 3: than four hundred, four hundred and sixty five deaths reported

1450
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 3: or March eighteenth, brutal day. So they went and found

1451
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 3: that they found obituaries by friends or family for four

1452
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 3: hundred and four of those, so ninety two percent. They

1453
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 3: found one of those four hundred and sixty five people

1454
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 3: listed with an invalid ID, and they found twenty six

1455
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 3: with the wrong date of death. So they were able

1456
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 3: to confirm that those people had in fact died, but

1457
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 3: they had died on.

1458
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 5: A different day.

1459
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 3: And so sky News then concludes, quote these numbers are real.

1460
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 3: Anyone still saying otherwise is not serious. And so you

1461
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 3: could you could do the same thing with any other

1462
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 3: day and you would find the same thing. And it

1463
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 3: was a it was a smart project by sky News.

1464
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 4: Because or not, because you're is that they'd probably set

1465
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:02,480
Speaker 4: out to defunk.

1466
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 5: Right, maybe they did. Yeah, they might have. An editor

1467
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 5: might have been like, we're going to prove that these

1468
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 5: numbers are wrong.

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01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 3: But if somebody dies on this planet, people loved that person.

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01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 3: Somebody loved that person or somebody's and because we live

1471
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 3: in a world of social media, they're going to share

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Speaker 3: something about their memory and the life that they lived

1473
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 3: and their life that was cut short. And so it

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01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 3: stands the reason that if the Ministry of Health is

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01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 3: announcing that these people died, that you would be able

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01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 3: to find some public records somewhere if you look hard enough,

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Speaker 3: and Sky News was able to find it.

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01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 5: Back in we can put up C five as well.

1479
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 3: Back in October twenty twenty three, at the Intercept where

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01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 3: I was at the time, we did a similar thing

1481
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 3: where I had been talking to a Palistini who lives

1482
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 3: in Texas, and he had told me in the first

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01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 3: couple of weeks of the attack that he had lost

1484
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 3: dozens of family members and he's started giving me names

1485
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 3: of the people who in his family who had died.

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Speaker 3: And then afterwards the Ministry of Health published a list

1487
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 3: of six thousand plus people who had been killed in

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01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 3: the first several weeks, and so what we were able

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01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 3: to do is take those names and those ages and

1490
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 3: compare them to the Ministry of Health, and we found

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01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 3: almost all of them on the list. And so what

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01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 3: we were able to conclude there is that if this

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01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 3: was just a list of fabricated names, which is what

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01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 3: the accusation from Joe Biden basically was at the time,

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01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 3: that Okay, this is a PDF with names on it,

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01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 3: that doesn't prove anything statistically, It's impossible that Hamas would

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01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 3: have added names that this person in Texas had given

1498
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 3: me also separately. So from very early on it was

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01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 3: clear that and also the US State Department and others

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Speaker 3: in un and have been relying on this Ministry of Health,

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01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 3: which is jointly run by the way, by Hamas and

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01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 3: the Palestini Authority. It's the only ministry in Gaza that

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01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 3: is jointly run by the PA. Nobody, ever, New York

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01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 3: Times never says, so BBC never says the PA run

1505
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 3: health ministry, because which would be just as accurate. But

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01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 3: the PA is basically a subcontractor to Israel, and so

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01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 3: saying that the PA jointly runs it undermines what is

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01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 3: the attempt there, which is to cast out on the numbers.

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01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 3: So if you're curious if these numbers can be trusted,

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Speaker 3: the answers that they can.

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Speaker 4: And one final thing I didn't even cite in the piece.

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01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 4: Just the piece was a little different than the monologue.

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01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 4: I didn't even cite the just the Gaza Health ministry numbers.

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01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 4: I said a Washington Post analysis of the Gaza health

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01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 4: ministry numbers that was setting out to verify names and

1516
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 4: agents and sort by names and Asians. It is stunning

1517
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 4: and sweeping and.

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01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 5: Just looking at the children.

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01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 4: Oh, it's horrific. If you if you haven't scrolled through it,

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01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 4: I think it's it's worth it. But that's actually what

1521
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 4: I cited. So I cited American media analyzing the Gaza

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01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 4: health industry numbers, not even just the numbers itself, numbers themselves.

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01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 4: And so the last thing you just want to say

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01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 4: on this is it's one of those issues where I think,

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Speaker 4: because of tribalism and partisanship, polarization, whatever you want to

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Speaker 4: call it, we end up reflectively saying, oh, okay, so

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Speaker 4: Hamas is the government in Gaza. Hamas is evil. Don't

1528
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 4: don't trust Hamas, So these numbers can't be right, Like

1529
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 4: you're you're asking me to support numbers from Hamas, and

1530
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 4: obviously I'm you know, I think Israel is the good

1531
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 4: guy here, and I'm not gonna if Israel is saying

1532
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 4: those numbers are overstating it, and Hamas is telling me

1533
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 4: that the numbers are under counting it, I'm gonna go

1534
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 4: with Israel. That's how a lot of people would approach

1535
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 4: this on the right. And then when you start peeling

1536
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 4: at the layers and you start poking them, and you know,

1537
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 4: looking more deeply, you realize, actually there are ways to

1538
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 4: past the accuracy of the numbers, and when you do it,

1539
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 4: it doesn't look good for people who claim that the

1540
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 4: Gaza Health Ministry is making it all up. In fact,

1541
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 4: there have been academic studies that show it may be

1542
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 4: an undercount.

1543
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 5: Well, so, no doubt, no doubt it is.

1544
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 3: You're bright, because these are people that have shown up

1545
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 3: in medical stations like hospitals or clinics or otherwise.

1546
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 5: The number of people under rubble, et cetera. It's countless

1547
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 5: at this point.

1548
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 4: Literally, Yeah, yep, absolutely so. Ryan gets some biblical knowledge

1549
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 4: from Ryan Grimm Bible Hour with.

1550
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 3: Ryan grew a little Red Haffer Apocalypse talk and Emily

1551
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 3: can fact check at all all right, stick around for that.

1552
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 3: Mike Johnson became the first House speaker to visit the

1553
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 3: occupied West Bank this week, with a trip that has

1554
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 3: attracted intense scrutiny. While there, he said that the Mountains

1555
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 3: of Judea and Samaria, the settler's name for the West Bank,

1556
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 3: belonged to Israel, quote by right, which not only contradicts

1557
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 3: international law but also official US policy. But behind the

1558
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 3: provocative rhetoric, the media so far has missed what appears

1559
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 3: to be the fundamentally.

1560
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 5: Biblical nature of the trip.

1561
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 3: So the story behind the trip involves a Rabbi named

1562
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 3: Jitzak Maamo, a Texas Christian named Byron Stinson, five red heifers,

1563
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 3: and the Apocalypse Now. In September of twenty twenty two,

1564
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 3: Stinson shipped five red heifers to Tel Aviv from Texas.

1565
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 3: The cattle are part of End Times prophecy and are

1566
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 3: required to be sacrificed to help usher in the apocalypse.

1567
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 3: Hamas spokesman Abu Beta, in marking the one hundredth day

1568
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 3: of the war that began on October seventh, even made

1569
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 3: reference to the red heifers as a provocation to be

1570
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 3: condemned since part of the End Times prophecy involves destroying

1571
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 3: the Alaxima and rebuilding the Jewish temple that was destroyed

1572
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 3: two thousand years ago. On February one, twenty twenty three,

1573
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 3: Mike Johnson, according to a source with knowledge of the matter,

1574
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 3: invited Rabbi Mammo to Congress to speak to a group

1575
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 3: of evangelical Republicans about the Heifers. Boris Johnson also happened

1576
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 3: to be there, and Johnson, that's Mike Johnson. Mike Johnson

1577
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 3: introduced the rabbi, who regaled the gathering with tales of

1578
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 3: the prophecied Heffers. So the meeting was held on the

1579
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:36,480
Speaker 3: same day as that year's National Gathering for Prayer and Repentance,

1580
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 3: a high profile evangelical convening in Washington that Mike Johnson

1581
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 3: is heavily involved with. The Next year, in twenty twenty four,

1582
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 3: both Stinson and Rabbi Mammo spoke at the gathering, telling

1583
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,759
Speaker 3: their story again where Johnson was a central figure.

1584
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 17: So, Father, we bless you for granting us the ability

1585
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 17: to have the Office of the consul Itoy in Chief,

1586
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 17: represented by Yoman Sevant, speak at Johnson to be with

1587
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:12,839
Speaker 17: us today and your different sevenths representing the entire earth.

1588
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,839
Speaker 5: For a cry of repentance. So here's Byron Stinson.

1589
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 18: At that event, You're going to be extremely excited what

1590
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 18: you're about to hear. Now as we go into this

1591
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 18: portion on Israel, I have two good friends out here

1592
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 18: with me, Byron Stinson and Rabbi Isak Mamo, and I'm

1593
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 18: going to have them to start immediately by telling the

1594
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 18: story of the Red Heifers. These are men who at

1595
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,919
Speaker 18: the epicenter of what's happening with the Red Heifers.

1596
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 7: So Byron, let's have so we start with you the story.

1597
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 7: Byron is an Evangelical Christian from Texas. Saki Mamo is

1598
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 7: an Orthodox Jew from Jerusalem.

1599
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 18: Byron, do we start with you?

1600
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 9: Yes, sir?

1601
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 15: Okay, go ahead, Hello everybody, how are you? I have

1602
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 15: really good news today and I'm so happy to be here.

1603
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 15: I have that first slide, please ye if we're going

1604
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 15: to the next slide, what we see here are the

1605
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 15: red Heifers. Let's go back one. Are the red heifers

1606
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 15: necessary for the Messiah to come? Well, let me ask

1607
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 15: you something. When Israel was scattered for two thousand years

1608
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 15: in the land. Was it necessary that Israel Judah, the

1609
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 15: tribe of Judah, the lion, would return to the land.

1610
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:28,719
Speaker 15: Was that necessary? Is it necessary that on the temple

1611
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 15: mountain of God, that there be a temple that we

1612
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 15: worship him there, as it says in Micah? For is

1613
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 15: that necessary that we build the land? So the first

1614
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 15: step on the red heifers is that we are going

1615
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 15: to move towards building that temple. This is the first

1616
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 15: step and it has to happen. But my friends, I

1617
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 15: want to tell you, all of you in the nations,

1618
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 15: you need to know something. God had a plan. He

1619
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 15: put his people Judah into the nations to suffer because

1620
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 15: they didn't obey him. Here we are today, we're seeing

1621
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 15: today we're doing the thing. But thankfully we have leaders

1622
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 15: in Judah that love us. They've reached across to us

1623
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,719
Speaker 15: and they want to help lead us. And they're reading

1624
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 15: their word and they're reading their Bible. And in the

1625
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 15: Bible it says find a red heifer. So they called me,

1626
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 15: and I didn't go get fined a red heifer for me.

1627
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 15: I found the red heifer for every one of you.

1628
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,759
Speaker 15: Because the fathers of faith said speak to the children

1629
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 15: in the lands and bring us a red heifer so

1630
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 15: that we might do this ceremony.

1631
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 3: So, just to underscore it, this is the crew here

1632
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 3: that Mike Johnson brought to the Capitol.

1633
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,440
Speaker 5: And here's scrab by memo.

1634
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 18: This part that has not been discussed publicly in any venue.

1635
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 18: We have to have land, and that land has to

1636
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 18: be at a certain elevation, at a certain location.

1637
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 19: And what is that by number nineteen. Again, we have

1638
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 19: to read the Bible. We have to read the Toah

1639
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 19: and to see it's written that it's had to be

1640
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 19: a defront of the Holy of the Holy. So at

1641
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 19: the Tabernacle ten time, Moses it was easy for him.

1642
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 19: He had the tenth and he just find the door. Today.

1643
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 19: As I mentioned before, we know where is the place

1644
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 19: of the Holy of the Holy is on the dome

1645
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 19: of the Rock. Okay, this is a view from Mount

1646
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 19: of Olive. Okay, a big cemetery, Jewish cemetery. By the tradition,

1647
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 19: who buried in Mount of Olive would be the first

1648
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 19: one that will wake up at the redemption time. But

1649
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 19: you can see the Dome of the Rock. So we

1650
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,799
Speaker 19: have to be in the place that we can see

1651
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 19: the Holy of the Holy and actually it's had to

1652
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 19: be the same heights that we can be at the

1653
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,799
Speaker 19: same level of the temple.

1654
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 18: However, buying land there is impossible because if an Arab

1655
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 18: Muslim sells to a Jew, he or she gets killed,

1656
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 18: So that's hardly an option. But somehow God supernaturally helped

1657
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 18: you buy.

1658
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 5: What piece of land.

1659
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 19: Don't ask me why, I don't ask me how, and

1660
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 19: specific don't ask me why I succeed. I don't know.

1661
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 19: But with a lot of I just say a miracle, okay,

1662
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 19: not any other explanation.

1663
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 15: Actually, twelve years ago you said maybe we built a

1664
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 15: red Angus steakhouse out.

1665
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 9: There when we were getting I remember that.

1666
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 19: So so we succeed to but a little piece of

1667
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:47,799
Speaker 19: land one dunam, which means a quarter of a quarterm

1668
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 19: and acre acre and it's as you can see here

1669
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 19: this is a photo from the mountain. Okay, So it's

1670
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 19: at the same level of the temple. It's the front

1671
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 19: of the holly of the Holy Place. So we have

1672
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 19: the cows, we have the land. We are ready is ready.

1673
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 18: Government approved you to bring your five pets, which you

1674
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 18: never kept in your front yard like most people do.

1675
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 5: As he says they're in Shiloh.

1676
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 3: So what biblical town in the West Bank did Mike

1677
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 3: Johnson visit?

1678
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 5: Well, let's take a look.

1679
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 3: Who is that American tourist in the blue shirt and

1680
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 3: the khakis there? Well, there he is Speaker of the House,

1681
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 3: Mike Johnson. Where is Mike Johnson? Where is that crowd

1682
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:37,799
Speaker 3: Shiloh checking.

1683
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 5: Out the heifers.

1684
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:39,959
Speaker 4: Gotta look at the heifers, Gotta.

1685
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 3: Check out when he said your pets. By the way,

1686
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,679
Speaker 3: when he said they allowed you to bring your pets,

1687
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 3: there is an export band on cattle from the United

1688
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 3: States to Israel. So what they did is they said

1689
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 3: they're pets, They classified them as pets.

1690
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 4: They slow them on a Boeing seven seven seven.

1691
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 5: And it landed. They got him there.

1692
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 3: So this is the Speaker of the House of Representatives

1693
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 3: intimately involved in this red Heffer prophecy. Well, what are

1694
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 3: we even supposed to do with this? Supposed to be

1695
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 3: a news show? But this is crazy?

1696
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 4: Well no, I mean this is important because it gets

1697
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 4: to exactly what the motivations are and it's where of course,

1698
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 4: there is a kind of overlap in the Venn diagram

1699
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 4: between some Orthodox Jews and some evangelical Christians. We've talked

1700
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 4: about this a little bit over the years. Evangelical Christian

1701
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 4: this is what you call pre millennial dispensationalism. If you're

1702
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 4: an evangelical Christian, it's you know, if you remember, if

1703
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 4: you're min maybe one of these the ambassador they all play,

1704
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,879
Speaker 4: you know, it's interesting. So Hakabi has played really careful

1705
01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:59,679
Speaker 4: with it. You can you can kind of read into

1706
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,839
Speaker 4: what he said. And it's the same thing with Mike Johnson.

1707
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 4: You can kind of read into the groups that he

1708
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 4: speaks to, the people that he speaks to, and the

1709
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 4: way that he talks about having a biblical mandate. You know,

1710
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 4: that God will bless those who blessed the nation of Israel.

1711
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 4: I think that's a direct quote that Mike Johnson has

1712
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 4: recited before.

1713
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 3: And this is this is new reporting that it was

1714
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 3: Mike Johnson that introduced Yes, this rabbi at this private event.

1715
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 4: Yes, So the significance of that seems to be that, yes,

1716
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 4: Mike Johnson is one of what I would say in

1717
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 4: the US is a dwindling number of evangelical Christians who

1718
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 4: are dispensationalists. It was really popular actually along around the

1719
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 4: time of the Millennial No Surprise and the Left Behind

1720
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 4: books for my age will remember those were out at

1721
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 4: the time. But when you played that video of Hamas

1722
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 4: on the one hundred.

1723
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 3: Johns so, by the way, was not speaker yet when

1724
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 3: he invited when he first invited these two figures to

1725
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 3: the capital Stinson and Mammows.

1726
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 5: But which is I think is important.

1727
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 3: It's extremely but he was when they came back for

1728
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 3: that gathering. Anyway, go ahead to you that you were

1729
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 3: talking about the Abu a Beta.

1730
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,799
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, so that video is really really important because

1731
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 4: whether or not you take home lots of their word,

1732
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 4: what is true is that provocations which is I know

1733
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 4: that that's the connotation of that is pejorative, but provocations

1734
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 4: at Alaksa Dome of the Rock Temple mount from some

1735
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 4: Israeli officials and with the sort of sanctioning of some

1736
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 4: major people in this space. You're not supposed to pray.

1737
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 4: There's a huge debate as to whether you're supposed to pray.

1738
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 4: When you go up there, you're you're not supposed to

1739
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 4: and a lot of people say that it's actually sacrilegious

1740
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 4: and everything, but there are others who pushed to be

1741
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,600
Speaker 4: able to do it. And that is part of I

1742
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 4: mean the Hamas called October seventh all ox Off flood

1743
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 4: after the Mosque Axa on the Temple Mount, and so

1744
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,520
Speaker 4: sighting of the heifers, as they call it, a provocation.

1745
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 4: I think what we're seeing, whether 're not whether or

1746
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 4: not you believe that this is the end times. The

1747
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:17,919
Speaker 4: Third Temple Movement among Jews is meant to follow biblical

1748
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 4: mandates to bring about the Messiah. The Third Temple Movement

1749
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 4: among Evangelical Christians is because they believe that this will,

1750
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 4: this invites in the end of days, that this creates

1751
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 4: room for Christ's return and conquer evil and so setting

1752
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:38,879
Speaker 4: the stage in very specific ways. I mean, I recommend

1753
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 4: people go to the Temple Institute's website and see the

1754
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 4: preparations beyond the red Heifers, the preparations for very specific

1755
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 4: things that need to happen from their perspective in order

1756
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 4: to usher in this period. I mean this is if

1757
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 4: you go to their website, you can see like just

1758
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 4: the menora find that I think it's just just google

1759
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 4: Temple Institute and click on the website. It's really like

1760
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 4: you saw numbers nineteen illuminated behind some of those speakers

1761
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 4: you can go and you can read numbers nineteen. That

1762
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 4: is the specific verse that talks about the specification of

1763
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 4: the red heifers. The red heifer story is fascinating because.

1764
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Speaker 5: Some of those heifers have already been ruled out apparently.

1765
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 4: Yes, because they can't have like a white hair white hairs. Yeah,

1766
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,679
Speaker 4: I mean, so this is why I think they're actually

1767
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 4: even sending frozen embryos. Someone would have to like fact

1768
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 4: truck that, but so that you always have on hand. No,

1769
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 4: I'm serious, I'm serious. But this is the politics of this.

1770
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 4: Think about that if you're putting all of the effort

1771
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 4: into the heifers. Oh yeah, obviously, like you know this

1772
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:49,560
Speaker 4: because you just reported this out, but it's like incredibly

1773
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 4: consequential that you have this. Mike Johnson is one of

1774
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 4: dwindling number of evangelicals, as I said, in the United

1775
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 4: States that are sort of premillennial dispensationalists. But in it

1776
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 4: is this is growing, this is this is a movement

1777
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 4: that's getting bigger and bigger according to the reporting. So

1778
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 4: things are he.

1779
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 5: The heifers can never have been under the yoke, according.

1780
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 4: To yeah, never, and they have to have a chill life.

1781
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 5: Does an embryo inside a fridge as yonder. Is that

1782
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 5: a yoke? I don't know. I think those embryos don't count.

1783
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

1784
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Speaker 3: So if y'all do this the whole thing and the

1785
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 3: Messiah doesn't come, it's because the embryo was actually under the.

1786
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:34,600
Speaker 4: Yoke, just the final but then it's disqualified. Well, I

1787
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 4: guess that's what you're saying. The sacrificing of the helf.

1788
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 4: Lord is the judge, so you have to they've actually are.

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01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:45,639
Speaker 3: Guessing it what his requirements are based on numbers nineteen.

1790
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 4: So yeah, well in number nineteen it's God saying this

1791
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 4: to Moses and Aaron.

1792
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 5: But but God left a little room for interm Well.

1793
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 4: We didn't know where the yoke would go. Yes, technologically,

1794
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,839
Speaker 4: but basically the point here is that if you believe,

1795
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 4: like after what was it, the nineteen sixty seven more,

1796
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 4: there was an opportunity to blow up the temple, and

1797
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 4: Israel decided, I'm sorry to blow up al Axa and

1798
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 4: rebuild the third Temple, blow up down the rock and

1799
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 4: rebuild their tump. They did not do that. So the

1800
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 4: politics of this are really important because if this is

1801
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 4: a growing constituency in political Israel, then you may be

1802
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 4: approaching a point where there is destruction of a sacred

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01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 4: site for Muslims, which was built on the single most

1804
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 4: important site in all of Judaism. So that's basically I

1805
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,600
Speaker 4: mean everybody knows this, but that is the heart of

1806
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 4: the conflict between the two parties. Here is this contested

1807
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 4: territory because it is very important in Islam as well.

1808
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:48,560
Speaker 4: It's where they believe that Mohammad went on his ascension

1809
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 4: to Heaven. And obviously, in a lot of different strains

1810
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 4: of or a lot of different strains of thought in Islam,

1811
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 4: Jerusalem is important for their own eschatology. So if you

1812
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 4: then have a growing constituency for just actually physically fighting

1813
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 4: over the temple itself, of the Temple mount itself, over

1814
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:11,639
Speaker 4: that land itself, and a rebuilding of a third temple,

1815
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 4: the consequences of that are enormous.

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01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just want to underscore the speaker of

1817
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 3: the House of Representatives is at the center of this.

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01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely anyway, Yeah, although again he's like very

1819
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 4: gen x evangelical, you know, there's still people who think

1820
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 4: like this, but it's definitely it was much bigger in

1821
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 4: like the nineties than it is now if that's any comfort, Okay,

1822
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 4: take that all right? Well, thanks Ryan, this has been

1823
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 4: your Ryan Grim Bible hour.

1824
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 5: Here we go.

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Speaker 3: All right, So speaking of devout Corey Mills, let's do it.

1826
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Speaker 3: We have new reporting over at drop Site News by

1827
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 3: Roger Sallenberger on Representative Corey Mills. You can put this

1828
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 3: first element up on the screen. Stallenberger has been investigating

1829
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 3: Mills for quite some time and this is a first

1830
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 3: and a series of pieces that we're going to be seeing.

1831
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 3: But this one broke because miss United States filed a

1832
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 3: restraining order yesterday against Mills. Now, the backstory here involves

1833
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 3: a story that you may remember from previously. If you recall,

1834
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 3: there was a Republican congressman, and it was Mills who

1835
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 3: was accused by his living girlfriend in Southwest Washington, DC

1836
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 3: of domestic violence. She filed a police report, she later,

1837
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 3: as often happens in cases like this, recanted, and it

1838
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:48,440
Speaker 3: was a very convoluted story about how she had bruises

1839
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 3: but it wasn't his fault, and on and on. So

1840
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 3: if you remember that story, the fallout from that in Mills'

1841
01:39:55,240 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 3: personal life, according to Lindsay Langston, was that she discovered

1842
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 3: that he had a girlfriend in Washington, d C.

1843
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 5: She was his girlfriend in living in Samurna Beach.

1844
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 4: One way to find out at the.

1845
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 3: Time, she asked Corey Mills about this relationship, and Mills,

1846
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 3: according to Langston, said, and a lot of this reporting

1847
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:21,559
Speaker 3: from Salenberger is based on text messages and videos that

1848
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:24,760
Speaker 3: he sent to her, so we don't just have to

1849
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,680
Speaker 3: go by her word here. By the way, she is

1850
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 3: a Florida Republican State committee woman as well as being

1851
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 3: the reigning Miss USA.

1852
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 5: He told her the news made the whole.

1853
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 3: Thing up, that he never had a girlfriend there, that

1854
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 3: this was a completely fabricated event, but not just that

1855
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 3: he didn't hit her, but that the whole thing doesn't exist.

1856
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 3: She then, not being a moron, finds a bunch of

1857
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 3: social media posts with this woman and him was like, okay,

1858
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 3: like this is clearly.

1859
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 5: Seems to be the case. This happened, Like you're you're

1860
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 5: lying here.

1861
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 3: So then they break up, uh, and that's where it

1862
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 3: gets really bad, and Corey Mills sends her, you know,

1863
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:16,680
Speaker 3: an intensome number of threats, which she then reported to

1864
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:18,879
Speaker 3: the police. So there's a police report that she filed

1865
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 3: in July followed by this restraining order, and according to

1866
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 3: the police report, and according to Roger's reporting, she shared these,

1867
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 3: she said, shared text messages of all of these threats,

1868
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 3: threatening her, threatening threatening anybody that she made date in

1869
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:36,599
Speaker 3: the future.

1870
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 8: Uh.

1871
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 3: If you want the sort of details, I recommend you

1872
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:44,880
Speaker 3: go read the the drop site piece. But I think

1873
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 3: what you'll come away with in what I came away

1874
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:51,600
Speaker 3: with from it was I understood Corey Mills to be

1875
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 3: quite something. To put it delicately, I was stunned. Yeah,

1876
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 3: I was like, this guy, is this guy's beyond what

1877
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 3: your baseline assumed level of crazy.

1878
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 4: Well, it's a I mean, on top of all of

1879
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 4: what you just explained. Corey Mills, it should be noted,

1880
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 4: was at least previously seen as a real up and

1881
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 4: coming star amongsts right Republican has to representative the conference.

1882
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 4: He was seen as like a big deal with somebody

1883
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 4: who would have a big future in Republican politics. And

1884
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:37,720
Speaker 4: so this is a fairly significant development because I think

1885
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:39,880
Speaker 4: a lot of the buzz around him since Stallenberger started

1886
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 4: doing his reporting on Mills has dissipated. This has been

1887
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:45,959
Speaker 4: a saga that's played out over months now with the reporting,

1888
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 4: but ran The other thing that's worth mentioning is I

1889
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:54,760
Speaker 4: believe the girlfriend who filed and retracted her comments, who

1890
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 4: made and then retracted her comments about being abused is

1891
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 4: Iranian American right and works with an Iranian activist group.

1892
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:08,720
Speaker 4: Mills is an arms dealer, right. He's also not fully divested,

1893
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,719
Speaker 4: if I'm remembering this correctly, He's not fully divested from

1894
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:13,679
Speaker 4: his defense contracting work.

1895
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:14,679
Speaker 5: Right.

1896
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 3: No, not at all oyes. He's still heavily invested in

1897
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 3: arm arms dealing.

1898
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 4: So on top of this being clearly an affair, and

1899
01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 4: I think the abuse allegations being very credible, though she

1900
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 4: did retract them. I mean, I've covered a lot of

1901
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 4: cases like this. I can't say for sure what happened.

1902
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 4: It looks to me more likely than not that they're accurate,

1903
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 4: But of course can't say that because I can't say

1904
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 4: that with certainty because she's taken them away.

1905
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 3: Right, she said she got the bruises days earlier, someone

1906
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 3: fell at the airport, or like just it didn't stuff

1907
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 3: that wasn't even trying to be credible.

1908
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 4: Right, it didn't check out. So and again she may

1909
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 4: genuinely just be sincerely dedicated to the cause that she's

1910
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 4: advocating for. But when you put all of these different

1911
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 4: parts together, with him being offense contractor member of Congress

1912
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 4: who's not divested from that business, being in this ostensibly

1913
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 4: two time in relationship with somebody who works for an

1914
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:15,480
Speaker 4: running American activist group, those things are likely not a coincidence.

1915
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:16,879
Speaker 4: There's something happening behind.

1916
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 5: The scenes and in the in the restraining order.

1917
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 3: You know, she says like she she blocked him all

1918
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 3: over the place on Instagram, blocked his number. Uh, he

1919
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 3: would call from the capital.

1920
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:31,719
Speaker 5: It's a presume. Presumably it was him calling from the Capitol.

1921
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 3: She didn't pick up the phone, but she showed a

1922
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:36,200
Speaker 3: screenshot of the of the call from the Capitol. He

1923
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 3: would create new Instagram accounts to message her with with

1924
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:46,680
Speaker 3: these uh, with these various with these various threats. And

1925
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 3: Roger has also spoken with a number of other three

1926
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 3: other former romantic partners who shared anecdotes very similar to

1927
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 3: the ones that have been public which, like I said,

1928
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:03,840
Speaker 3: Family Program, we want need to get into any of

1929
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 3: it now.

1930
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 5: And so.

1931
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:11,719
Speaker 3: There's a lot more to this story and to Congress

1932
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 3: and Mills. Well, we look forward to rolling that out

1933
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 3: in the not too distant future.

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01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 4: Well a lot more so the Blaze has already picked

1935
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 4: up your story, it looks like. But so the Blaze

1936
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 4: has done a lot of reporting. I don't know if

1937
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 4: they'd give you a credit or not, or if they

1938
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 4: got this individually, but the Blaze has done a lot

1939
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 4: of reporting from the right on Corey Mills, which is

1940
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 4: quite interesting. Corey Mills's wife so by the way, he's married,

1941
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 4: he's been separated from his wife since I believe what

1942
01:45:42,479 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. And on top of that, he his

1943
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:51,920
Speaker 4: wife is I believe a Rocky. I think she's actually

1944
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:57,560
Speaker 4: from a rock so he's There's just so much strange

1945
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:03,160
Speaker 4: stuff happening in this story that could be like compliment

1946
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 4: reading Rogers Sallenberger's piece and drops out with the reporting

1947
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 4: in the Blaze, because there's a lot of it. They

1948
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 4: had a really long story a few months back that

1949
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 4: was fascinating on this question. So, uh, there's definitely something

1950
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:19,719
Speaker 4: more happening, wouldn't you say, Ryan, I mean, you've reported

1951
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Speaker 4: on this type of thing way more than I have.

1952
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Speaker 4: It just seems like there are a lot of unanswered

1953
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Speaker 4: questions about what maybe is behind the even behind the

1954
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Speaker 4: things that have been Oh yes, disclosed public.

1955
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Speaker 3: Oh yes, so, yes, there's a lot more to this,

1956
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Speaker 3: the arms trafficking, the the business relationships, the yes, there's

1957
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 3: there's a lot going on here.

1958
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Speaker 4: This is the lead of a Blaze story from earlier

1959
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Speaker 4: this summer. Corey mill is the Florida Republican who has

1960
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Speaker 4: in recent months faced allegations of stolen valor undergoing a

1961
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 4: secret Islamic conversion, holding weapons contracts with the federal government

1962
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 4: when serving in Congress, and domestic of isolence appears to

1963
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 4: leap prognancy yet another scandal, this time over a luxury

1964
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:07,040
Speaker 4: apartment in Washington, DC. And they are setting the Stalenberger

1965
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 4: reporting here, So just go where.

1966
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Speaker 3: Like he didn't pay rent for like eighty thousand dollars

1967
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Speaker 3: worth of rent, and like he has millions of dollars

1968
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 3: of corporate debt tied to this arms trafficking. It's and

1969
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 3: and he's actively voting one of the key swing votes

1970
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Speaker 3: in a divided Congress YEP, on matters directly that directly

1971
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Speaker 3: implicate his arms business.

1972
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Speaker 4: Great point, So go reporting, and thanks for bringing this story.

1973
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Speaker 5: To US's gonna have more, all.

1974
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Speaker 4: Right, Let's move on to Aaron Baker, speaking of Florida,

1975
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 4: speaking of Florida. Men, we're going to talk a little

1976
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:46,679
Speaker 4: bit about Randy front Fine with his Republican primary opponent,

1977
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Speaker 4: Aaron Baker. The primary is coming up in over a

1978
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 4: year at this point, but Baker is gaining traction online

1979
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:57,680
Speaker 4: by speaking out against Randy Fine's odious comments on the

1980
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:01,760
Speaker 4: Palestinian people, people in Gaza. So let's bring in erin now.

1981
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 4: We are joined now by Aaron Baker. He is a

1982
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:09,799
Speaker 4: candidate for Florida's sixth district in the primary race against

1983
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Speaker 4: Representative Republican Representative Randy Fine. Erin.

1984
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Speaker 10: Thank you for being here, Thank you pleasure to be here.

1985
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Speaker 4: Okay, So Randy Fine was elected in April. Your primary

1986
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 4: is about a year away. Still, Randy Fine obviously has

1987
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 4: a big cash advantage. You ran against him earlier this

1988
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,560
Speaker 4: year and he had lots of money and basically I

1989
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 4: ended up with I think like eighty three percent of

1990
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 4: the vote in the primary, something to that level in

1991
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:35,719
Speaker 4: a red district. So can you tell us a little

1992
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 4: bit about why you initially decided to run for that

1993
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:42,200
Speaker 4: seat that Fine ended up winning earlier this year, and

1994
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Speaker 4: then why you're getting back in and running again.

1995
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Speaker 16: I had a group of Republicans from the sixth district

1996
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 16: approached me and explained to me that we had to

1997
01:48:53,479 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 16: have someone that has morals run in the Florida Congressional district.

1998
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Speaker 16: There is a very big contingent of people that do

1999
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 16: not agree with the rhetoric, do not agree with the

2000
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Speaker 16: basic principles that mister Fine represents, and that certainly don't

2001
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 16: believe that he represents this congressional district very well if

2002
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 16: at all.

2003
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Speaker 5: Let's do play a little flavor.

2004
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 3: If people have somehow lived under a rock and haven't

2005
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:30,679
Speaker 3: had the joy of being confronted by Randy Fines rhetoric,

2006
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:33,639
Speaker 3: let's put F one, just roll out one.

2007
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Speaker 18: Is not Israel's job to feed and clothe and bathe

2008
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:41,799
Speaker 18: and arm the Gazins until they're strong enough to conduct

2009
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 18: another October seventh.

2010
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Speaker 5: So that's my simple point. There are people starving in Gaza.

2011
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 18: It's called the hostages that are still alive, and they

2012
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:52,839
Speaker 18: need to be released, and they need to be released.

2013
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Speaker 15: Now.

2014
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Speaker 3: We can put up F two where he said, you know,

2015
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Speaker 3: release the hostages until then starve away ah, and then

2016
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 3: the weird parenthetical that it actually they're not starving, but

2017
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:09,719
Speaker 3: they should uh any day of the week, any hour

2018
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Speaker 3: of the day pretty much. You can find Randy Fine

2019
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:17,639
Speaker 3: posting something diabolically genocidal on his on his.

2020
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Speaker 4: Account, and he's in Israel right now, we should.

2021
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 5: Say, in Israel as we speak.

2022
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 3: Can you talk a little bit more about what the

2023
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:29,800
Speaker 3: reaction has been in his in his district? And I mean,

2024
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 3: isn't this kind of what people expected? Like this, this

2025
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 3: is who he was before? Like why would why now

2026
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:38,559
Speaker 3: is it going to be a problem.

2027
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 10: Well, we knew this.

2028
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:43,559
Speaker 16: This was exactly what we were going to get with

2029
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:49,000
Speaker 16: Representative Fine. And I mean, you know, you can't change

2030
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:53,599
Speaker 16: the spots on a leopard. It's exactly We knew exactly

2031
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 16: what we were going to get. That's why I ran

2032
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:59,599
Speaker 16: against him in the first place. In the last couple

2033
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 16: of day last week or so, I think have come

2034
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:07,760
Speaker 16: out as the number one opponent because I will speak

2035
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:11,600
Speaker 16: out against genocide and I will speak out against starvation.

2036
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Speaker 16: There's not one child in the world that should starve

2037
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Speaker 16: to death on America's watch.

2038
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Speaker 4: So, like Representative Marjorie Taylor Green, it's your position that

2039
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:24,599
Speaker 4: what's happening right now in Gaza is a genocide. And

2040
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 4: can you tell us a little bit about based on

2041
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:28,240
Speaker 4: what you just said, And can you tell us a

2042
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 4: little bit about how you arrived at that conclusion. It's

2043
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 4: my understanding that you have been a fairly pro Israel Republican.

2044
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:38,720
Speaker 4: So do you still see yourself that way? How does

2045
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:41,160
Speaker 4: this fit into your sort of broader outlook on the

2046
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 4: nation of Israel.

2047
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 16: So I support the defense of Israel, but let me

2048
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:49,719
Speaker 16: explain the defense that I support. I support us helping

2049
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:52,800
Speaker 16: with the Iron Dome system. I do not, in any way,

2050
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Speaker 16: shape or form, support any offensive weapons. And there's no

2051
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:59,080
Speaker 16: way that we should be paying for seventy percent of

2052
01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 16: Israel's defense. I think even at this point, the crowd

2053
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 16: on J Street has come to the same conclusion that

2054
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:11,480
Speaker 16: I have. That this is genocide, that this is starvation.

2055
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 16: There's no there's no two ways around it.

2056
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:20,280
Speaker 3: What are you even hearing from Republican primary voters on

2057
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:21,800
Speaker 3: that on that question.

2058
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 10: That they're absolutely appalled by every single moment that Representative

2059
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:29,719
Speaker 10: find opens his mouth, they're absolutely appalled.

2060
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:34,799
Speaker 3: And what about when you say I think we should

2061
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:38,200
Speaker 3: not send offensive weapons to Israel?

2062
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:39,960
Speaker 5: Like how they agree? Yeah?

2063
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:43,759
Speaker 10: Agree? I mean this is a Trump plus thirty district.

2064
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,600
Speaker 16: That's the only way that Representative find got elected in

2065
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 16: the first pet In the first place, this is common sense.

2066
01:52:52,280 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 16: This is America first, America, second America, third, America, fourth, America, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth.

2067
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 16: Americans do not want to be involved in endless wars.

2068
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:05,639
Speaker 16: We need to help the people here. I hear about

2069
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:11,040
Speaker 16: issues on the ground, infrastructure, the economy, flooding. That's what

2070
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:14,120
Speaker 16: we're concerned about in the sixth Congressional District. And I

2071
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 16: understand that as a United States representative, you're in charge

2072
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 16: of helping the rest of the United States. But you're

2073
01:53:23,240 --> 01:53:25,679
Speaker 16: in charge of helping the rest of the United States,

2074
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:27,520
Speaker 16: you're not in charge.

2075
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:28,880
Speaker 10: Of protecting the entire world.

2076
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:34,639
Speaker 16: We're talking about a representative who has zero respect at

2077
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 16: all for freedom or the rights of everyday Americans. We're

2078
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:45,040
Speaker 16: talking about a genocidal, literally genocidal representative member of Congress

2079
01:53:45,479 --> 01:53:49,120
Speaker 16: versus someone me that will speak up and say this

2080
01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:50,160
Speaker 16: is not right.

2081
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 10: I do not support genocide halfway around the world.

2082
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:58,280
Speaker 4: And tell us a little bit more about how you

2083
01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:01,360
Speaker 4: ended up getting involved in politics, your background, because I

2084
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:03,600
Speaker 4: think you know the question of what actually how we

2085
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:07,600
Speaker 4: define America. First on the right, what that looks like

2086
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 4: in practice is sort of still being hashed out. But

2087
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:13,320
Speaker 4: my assumption, based only one I've read about your background, is

2088
01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:18,160
Speaker 4: that Trump himself and the Moniker America first was something

2089
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 4: that sort of drew you to get more and more

2090
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 4: involved because like a lot of people who you heard

2091
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 4: that and said, yes, this is exactly what I feel

2092
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:30,400
Speaker 4: after watching what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria, Libya,

2093
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 4: and we could go on and on and down the list.

2094
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 4: So tell us a little bit about how you got

2095
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,400
Speaker 4: involved in what that means to you.

2096
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:41,240
Speaker 16: So I got involved with early vote action in Pennsylvania

2097
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:44,920
Speaker 16: during the twenty four presidential election because I never bought

2098
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:49,160
Speaker 16: into the narrative that Florida was a purple state. Florida

2099
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:52,680
Speaker 16: is not a purple state. Florida is bright red state.

2100
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 16: That is not going to change anytime soon. But I'm

2101
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 16: a numbers guy, so I can't looking at, Okay, how

2102
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:02,800
Speaker 16: do we get to two seventy? How do we get

2103
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:05,520
Speaker 16: to two seventy? And it seemed to me like the

2104
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:11,800
Speaker 16: number one way to get there was through Pennsylvania. We

2105
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:14,480
Speaker 16: didn't have, you know, we didn't have a crystal ball

2106
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:17,080
Speaker 16: to say that Trump's going to win every single swing state.

2107
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:19,640
Speaker 10: So I said, okay, I have family in Maryland.

2108
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 16: What can I do from Florida to be involved and

2109
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 16: to make sure the President Trump gets re elected. So

2110
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:29,680
Speaker 16: I would fly back and forth from Orlando to Baltimore

2111
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:35,560
Speaker 16: on my favorite Spirit Airlines, my Florida based airline.

2112
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:37,480
Speaker 10: And it was cheap. I have a place to stay there.

2113
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:41,120
Speaker 16: I could drive from the Baltimore area up to Pennsylvania.

2114
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:43,120
Speaker 10: Made a lot of good friends up there.

2115
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:46,320
Speaker 16: And whether it was handing out signs, whether it was

2116
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 16: standing on the side of the road, and we encountered

2117
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:53,600
Speaker 16: people out there that would you know, spit at you,

2118
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:55,680
Speaker 16: throw water bottles at you, curse at you.

2119
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 10: It's a completely different world than.

2120
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:05,200
Speaker 16: But I just tried to do everything in my power

2121
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:10,160
Speaker 16: to make sure the President Trump was elected in twenty

2122
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 16: four And after that, I came home and I thought, Okay,

2123
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 16: back to work. I'm a general contractor. Our business partners

2124
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 16: with a general contractor, and you know, I just got

2125
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:23,840
Speaker 16: back to work. And then after Congressman Waltz was appointed

2126
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:28,720
Speaker 16: as National Security Advisor, then the group of Republicans approached

2127
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:32,200
Speaker 16: me and said, we need someone with common sense to

2128
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:35,520
Speaker 16: be able to go to Washington and say, okay, I

2129
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:38,760
Speaker 16: am not going to take APAC money. I believe APAX

2130
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:42,320
Speaker 16: should be registered as a foreign lobbyist. They lobby for

2131
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:45,720
Speaker 16: a foreign country, I'll do it.

2132
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 10: Sign me up.

2133
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:51,560
Speaker 3: And the special election only had something like fifty thousand

2134
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:54,400
Speaker 3: people turn out. You know, I don't have the exact

2135
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 3: numbers in front of me. Randy Fine got like thirty thousand.

2136
01:56:57,720 --> 01:56:59,760
Speaker 3: You got what five thousand or so?

2137
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 5: Small?

2138
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:06,800
Speaker 3: It's a sub small subset of the electorate, but it

2139
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,720
Speaker 3: was a wide margin thanks to Trump's intervention and endorsement

2140
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 3: of Randy Fine.

2141
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:11,920
Speaker 5: What are you gonna do?

2142
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,760
Speaker 3: You expect him to get Trump's endorsement again, And if

2143
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,720
Speaker 3: he does, how do you still have a path?

2144
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 16: No way, if you if you go back and look,

2145
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 16: my cost per vote was six dollars. That's unheard of

2146
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 16: because I get out there every single day during the

2147
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:34,760
Speaker 16: special election. I went to sixty eight different events. I

2148
01:57:34,840 --> 01:57:40,480
Speaker 16: crossed paths with mister Fine three times three. That's it.

2149
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:44,040
Speaker 16: It's a mail in election. Who can send out the

2150
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 16: most bright, shiny palm cards. And you know I don't

2151
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:52,080
Speaker 16: have millions of dollars. I have thousands of dollars. So

2152
01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:55,480
Speaker 16: I ran a congressional race on thirty thousand dollars, and

2153
01:57:55,560 --> 01:58:00,200
Speaker 16: he ran a congressional race on a zillion dollars, so

2154
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:03,960
Speaker 16: cost per vote six dollars versus cost per vote. And

2155
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,560
Speaker 16: I'm only speaking in the primary. The general that it

2156
01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:11,080
Speaker 16: was off the charts cost per vote one hundred dollars

2157
01:58:11,120 --> 01:58:12,040
Speaker 16: for mister Fine.

2158
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 10: So I don't need the money that he has.

2159
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:16,560
Speaker 16: I will get out there and I go to all

2160
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:19,040
Speaker 16: these events over the weekend. I was set up in

2161
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 16: Flagler County, I'll be in Saint John's County. I live

2162
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:25,880
Speaker 16: in Lake County, so I actually live in the district

2163
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 16: where mister Fine lives one hundred miles south and thinks

2164
01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 16: that he lives sixty five hundred miles to the west

2165
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Speaker 16: or to the east rather well.

2166
01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:37,680
Speaker 4: Last question for me, Aaron, is I think in the

2167
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:40,440
Speaker 4: past you've suggested on this note that it's using Susie

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Speaker 4: Wiles that contributed to the endorsement of Randy Fine. Susie

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Speaker 4: Wild's obviously has had a career as of a lobbyist's

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Speaker 4: very well connected and establishment Republican circles down in Florida.

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Speaker 4: By you, have you learned any more on that since

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Speaker 4: making that point, I imagine you've heard from people who

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Speaker 4: didn't like it. But maybe you've got more information on

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Speaker 4: that as well. Is that still your understanding of how

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Speaker 4: Randy Fine originally got the Trump endorsement and maybe would

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Speaker 4: get another Trump endorsement.

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Speaker 16: Well, the first the first Trump endorsement was a return

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Speaker 16: favor for we can say for raising money during the

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Speaker 16: special or during President Trump's election for.

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Speaker 10: President Trump's legal fund.

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Speaker 16: We can say that it's because Congressman Fine was the

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Speaker 16: first in Florida to switch sides from DeSantis to President Trump.

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Speaker 16: I mean, we can say whatever we want. I've been

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Speaker 16: told and I hate to be told things because I

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Speaker 16: love freedom and I love to be able to speak

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Speaker 16: my mind.

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Speaker 10: And there's a lot to unpack. But I've been.

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Speaker 16: Told to lay off Susie Wilds. But that's the problem.

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Speaker 16: I don't have any way to slice it. That's the

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Speaker 16: number one. That's why we're in this situation. If she

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Speaker 16: had not picked Congressman Fine, the sixth District of Florida

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Speaker 16: would not be embarrassed. I hear from people all across

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Speaker 16: the state and they're like, Aaron, we are so embarrassed

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Speaker 16: that this is our congressman.

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Speaker 10: He supports genocide. You don't you know? Feed the children.

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Speaker 10: I didn't know that feed the children is going to

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Speaker 10: be a campaign slogan, but it seems to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's genuinely embarrassing. I gotta say, deeply, deeply and

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Speaker 3: so like no offense, but to be an embarrassment in

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Speaker 3: Central Florida. This guy's around the bend. It's just utterly incredible.

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Speaker 16: It's it's hard to do. But we knew, we knew

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Speaker 16: what was going to happen. We knew the ethics complaints

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Speaker 16: in the past, we knew the outstanding court cases. We

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Speaker 16: knew the anger management that he the court ordered anger

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Speaker 16: management that he still hasn't completed. We knew all of

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Speaker 16: this going in, and we tried to stop it, and

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Speaker 16: the powers that be said, you are the anointed one.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll say again, it's going to be an interesting

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Speaker 3: race and we'll keep we'll keep a close eye on it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and keep us updated erin because we're going to

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Speaker 4: be we're gonna be covering it for sure. So we

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Speaker 4: appreciate your time. Thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 10: I appreciate being here. Thank you very much. God bless

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Speaker 10: you both, God bless Emily.

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Speaker 5: What do you would you think of mister Baker?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought he was super real challenge you think, uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, there's there's over a year ago, Randy Fine

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Speaker 4: had a lot of money in the last primary. If

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Speaker 4: he maintains the support of people like Susie Wiles and others,

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, as long as the money is

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Speaker 4: on his side. These primaries really are decided by money.

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Speaker 4: And like in the presidential election.

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Speaker 5: And a Trump endorsement, yeah, and the Trump.

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Speaker 4: Endorsement the presidential elections, you start you see money mattering

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Speaker 4: less and less to be honest, because it gets to

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Speaker 4: the point where it's so even and when it's Trump,

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Speaker 4: he gets so much earned media it's like doesn't even

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Speaker 4: need to buy commercials. But in these little primary elections,

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Speaker 4: money makes a huge difference. And so if if he's

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Speaker 4: not able to outraise significantly Brandy Fine, who's the incumbent,

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Speaker 4: it'd be really difficult.

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Speaker 3: But then again, if the breaking points of audience sends

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Speaker 3: him a million.

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Speaker 4: Bucks, I that can do it. But that I was

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Speaker 4: gonna say that again. This issue is for Maga. So

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Speaker 4: MAGA is the primary electorate, and the primary electorate in

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Speaker 4: Florida is going to want to see I'm sure is

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Speaker 4: going to be pretty divided. Over this question. So I

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Speaker 4: definitely think he has a chance, and you know, we'll

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Speaker 4: we'll certainly follow the campaign. Yeah, what did you make

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Speaker 4: of it? He also didn't go full like.

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Speaker 3: In the past he's been. He's been pretty standard supporter

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Speaker 3: of Israel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he said he supports the defense of Israel.

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Speaker 3: Right right, And I and I think, you know, partly

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Speaker 3: it's him drawing contrast with with Randy Fine to come

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Speaker 3: out and say if you're only a second, you know,

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Speaker 3: high profile Republicans say that they're carrying out a genocide.

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Speaker 5: But I think he wouldn't do that.

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Speaker 3: In a Republican primary if he thought that it would

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Speaker 3: make him unviable. So clearly, you know, his his finger

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Speaker 3: on the pulse of the Republican electorate is that you

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Speaker 3: can be a bold critic of Israel and still get

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Speaker 3: through a Republican primary. Yeah, and we'll see if he

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Speaker 3: turns out. So much will depend on whether Trump reindorses Fine.

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Speaker 3: And I think on the one hand, Trump could because

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Speaker 3: he's finds been loyal to him. Yeah, But on the

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Speaker 3: other hand, the guy, like Aaron said, he's a complete embarrassment.

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Speaker 4: He is, and it's starting to become I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: trying to outflank literally every Republican on the question of

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Speaker 4: hugging NATSA NAHU tighter and tighter and tighter to the

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Speaker 4: point of ridiculousness, to the point where even APAC tried

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Speaker 4: to distance themselves from Randy Fine recently, as you mentioned, Ryan,

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Speaker 4: So it's a you could see Trump really going either

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Speaker 4: way on this. On the one hand, like this is

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Speaker 4: just a sloppy and embarrassing political strategy from Randy Fine

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Speaker 4: that is unbecoming from the perspective of Trump, unbecoming of

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Speaker 4: somebody in this position. On the other hand, you could

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Speaker 4: just say, look, he's loyal. We don't want to take

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Speaker 4: an l on this. We were the ones who backed

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Speaker 4: him in the first place. So we'll see. But at

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Speaker 4: some point, if the public sentiment starts to shift enough

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Speaker 4: that can force the hand yep, we'll see. All right,

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Speaker 4: Well that does it for us on today's edition of

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Speaker 4: Breaking Points, Ryan, you're going to be around for the

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Speaker 4: Friday show around okay? Cool?

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Speaker 5: All right, Well in there for a while, so I'm

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Speaker 5: looking forward to it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there's something a little bit more chill about the Fridays.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess, yeah, you might have Well, no, no,

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Speaker 4: we missed you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's right exactly. The show didn't even happen if

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Speaker 5: I wasn't there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if Ryan grim If a show airs without Ryan

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Speaker 4: Grimm in a forest, is anyone there to Those.

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Speaker 5: Are the questions. All right, I'll see you then.

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Speaker 4: Sounds good, see you all then,