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Speaker 1: A strange wife Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. When I

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Speaker 1: h Q TV Hally what a story? First of all,

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Speaker 1: to our friends at crime online dot com. Urkda a

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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz. Why is it that when the marriage

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Speaker 1: the victims and law enforcement. Scott Agenbound is a former

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Speaker 1: special agent with the FBI and author of the Secret

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Speaker 1: to Cybersecurity, A simple plan to protect your family and

429
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Speaker 1: business from cybercrime. Once you get on the dark web,

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Speaker 1: it is the wild West and completely unregulated. Because as

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Speaker 1: the dark web is primarily used for criminal activity, and

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00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: without tips from the public, post on the dark web

433
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: are hard for law enforcement to trace. The dark web

434
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: is kind of like an open air bazaar where all

435
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: the bad guys gravitate get together and they sell, they

436
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: buy information, and also they'll sell anything. They'll sell services,

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00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: they'll sell drugs, and it's a closed community. So the

438
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 1: only way you can get in there is if you

439
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: know someone who will vouch for you. Well, it certainly

440
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: did not stop the FBI from finding very incriminating email

441
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: solicitations by doctor Ild trying to get a quote rush

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Speaker 1: job and he needed two hits to Haley Gunter joining

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Speaker 1: us k HQTV. Yeah, two hits, two hits. One on

444
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Speaker 1: a former employee, a former colleague. He wanted their hands

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Speaker 1: to be broken. And then his wife and his ultimate goal,

446
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: of course, he did want her, you know, pumped full

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Speaker 1: of drugs, taught how to use the drugs herself, and

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00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: then he wanted that all photographed so he could you know,

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00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: blackmail her down the road. But you know, his ultimate

450
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: goal with everything, with his wife was to get her

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Speaker 1: to come back to him, even offering bonuses if she

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Speaker 1: would sleep with him at least three times the first

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Speaker 1: you know, couple of weeks that she returned to their

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Speaker 1: to their marriage. So he was detailed and the details

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Speaker 1: are are disturbing, to put it mildly, well, you're right

456
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Speaker 1: about that. Take a listen to our cut six. The

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Speaker 1: FBI says Ailed used coin based doc home to transfer

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Speaker 1: approximately fifty six thousand, three hundred eight dollars and twelve

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Speaker 1: cents and two escrow to pay for the assault of

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Speaker 1: victim one and for the plan to kidnap, assault, extort,

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Speaker 1: and drug victim two. One post reads he would also

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Speaker 1: offer multiple bonuses, including one of up to ten thousand dollars,

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Speaker 1: if his kidnappers could get one of the victims to

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Speaker 1: return to your husband by asking to move back home

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Speaker 1: and sleep with him at least three times within the

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Speaker 1: two week time frame. When it comes to money, money

467
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Speaker 1: is really easy to trace. That's why the bad guys

468
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: make you pay that the ransom in bitcoins because bitcoins

469
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Speaker 1: are untraceable wallets that are making a mainstream appearance today.

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Speaker 1: And that's just part of it. Take listen to KRMT

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Speaker 1: and newly unearthed documents. A user by the name of

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Speaker 1: Scar two one five messaged a group on the Dark

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Speaker 1: Web to pay fifty thousand dollars in bitcoin to kidnap, assault,

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Speaker 1: drug and extore a Spokane woman. I need the target

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00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: kidnap for five to seven days. While being held, she

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00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: has given at least daily doses of heroin. She's also

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Speaker 1: strongly persuaded to do a few things within two weeks.

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Speaker 1: One stop all court proceedings. Two return to her husband

479
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Speaker 1: in the chaos you created. Three tell absolutely no one

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Speaker 1: about this. Federal prosecutors believe her estranged husband, Ronald Ilg,

481
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: was that user and he didn't want to continue their divorce.

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Speaker 1: Ilg is charged with attempted kidnapping after the FBI was

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Speaker 1: tipped off about the plot by the woman. FBI special

484
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: agent and key witness Ryan Butler testified today in the

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Speaker 1: Suspects Preliminary and Attention Hearing that the wife was informed

486
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Speaker 1: of the plot by the crew of an unnamed international

487
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Speaker 1: news organization investigating the Dark West. Shout out to Joseph

488
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Jess Scott he

489
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Speaker 1: was wanting her pumped full of heroin over and and over,

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Speaker 1: during which time she would be photographed using drugs, high

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Speaker 1: on drugs, lying there pasted out on drugs. Hey, I

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00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: wonder where the three year old sun was during all

493
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: of this was supposed to be. But what does that

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Speaker 1: do to a person to be kidnapped for seven to

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Speaker 1: fourteen days and being popped full of heroin every day? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this makes it even more insidious, Nancy, because he is

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Speaker 1: a physician. Remember he had to take a Hippocratic oath

498
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Speaker 1: at some point in tom where he said that he

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Speaker 1: would do no harm, Nancy, and this is the ultimate harm.

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Speaker 1: And go back to what had earlier been stated. He

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00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: had told these individuals she needed to be taught how

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Speaker 1: to use this. What does that mean? Well, he's creating

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Speaker 1: an addiction in her. Heroin is highly, highly addictive, So

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00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: once she's blasted with that first dose, she's going to

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Speaker 1: get really sick. But then this craving sets in where

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Speaker 1: she has to have this fed constantly. He's a physician, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: he understands that. And this is another thing. Heroin is

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Speaker 1: not something that you're just going to be bought down

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Speaker 1: to the pharmacy. And you know, and fill a script

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Speaker 1: for it. This is something that's synthesized off of morphine,

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Speaker 1: which is naturally occurring. Heroin is something that is at

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Speaker 1: a street level. It's a very very dangerous drug. So

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00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: that means that whoever these kidnappers that he was looking

514
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: for would have gotten this dirty drug off of the street.

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Speaker 1: He's a physician, keep that in mind, and he wants

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Speaker 1: to have this injected into this poor woman's body. He

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Speaker 1: lost show Scott, But I'm going to follow up with

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Speaker 1: James Daniels, director of investigations at blocktrace dot com, expert

519
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Speaker 1: on the dark web and cryptocurrency. You know, hold it, Ashley.

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Speaker 1: First to you talking about what you may do one day,

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm going to kill you. That's not a crime.

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00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: But when you follow it up with an overt act.

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Speaker 1: I use that phraseology because that is what is required

524
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: by the law and overt act that makes it a

525
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: real conspiracy, even if you're playing fails. And in this

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Speaker 1: case we've gotten transferring fifty six thousand dollars absolutely, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: And so a couple of things. Number one, the overt

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00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: act that's transferring the money. Number two, that shows intent. Right,

529
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: there's intent because you're committing that act to show that

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Speaker 1: you are attempting to do it. And remember, even if

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Speaker 1: a crime such as murder doesn't occur, but you plan it,

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00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: there's still attempted murder, right, there's still attempted crimes. Those

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00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: are crimes even if it doesn't come to fruition. So

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Speaker 1: how does that happen? James Daniels with blocktrace dot com,

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Speaker 1: how do you transfer nearly sixty thousand dollars on the

536
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Speaker 1: dark web? Yeah, it's it's it's fairly easy to do.

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Speaker 1: One of the clips that you had had talked about,

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00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: you know, untraceable wallets and you know, one of the

539
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: things that you know law enforcement and now in a

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00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: private sector with blocktrace dot com, we are getting very

541
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Speaker 1: good at doing that tracing. So criminals think that bitcoin

542
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: is anonymous, they think the other knocked and you know,

543
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: we've got the skill set to go through and trace

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00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: that stuff, which is how and why the FBI was

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00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: able to find who this was. Can you trace bitcoin

546
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: as easily as you can trace money transfer three banks? Yes,

547
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: yes you can, and it's you know, it's more difficult

548
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: to trace cash. You know, back when I was working

549
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: drug cases and people would conduct transactions in cash, it

550
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: was much more difficult to trace that than it is

551
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: to trace cryptocurrency. Well, cryptocurrency does have a footprint on

552
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: the Internet, and so we use that along with other

553
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: techniques to follow where it came from and where it

554
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: went to. Why as if there is motivation to Healey

555
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: Guther joining us KHQTV, why was he doing all of this?

556
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: He wanted our backs, Nancy. It seems crazy, but his

557
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: whole goal here was to get her to return to him,

558
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: to make their marriage work. And he made it clear

559
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: he had no intentions of giving up the girlfriend, but

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00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: that's what he wanted. He wanted his wife home, He

561
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: wanted their family back intact, and even made comments about

562
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: his wife and girlfriend going shopping together at Costco. So

563
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: he had this fantasy world that she obviously wanted no pardon,

564
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: but he didn't want her dead. He didn't want her murdered.

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00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: He just wanted her back to doctor Sherry Schwartz. I

566
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Speaker 1: have not seen it, but I have seen snippets of it.

567
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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the reality show called Sister Wives?

568
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: I have. I've never seen it either, but I know

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Speaker 1: the concept, yes, where all these women are married to

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00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: the same guy and they're all okay with that. Yes,

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00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: So this was doctor Ilg's fantasy that the wife and

572
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: the girlfriend would go shopping at Costco, and I guess

573
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: be's own private harem. What is he thinking. Well, I

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00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: think in the context of sister wives, there's a religious

575
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: component to that, and this is what they believe religiously.

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00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying that it's okay. It would

577
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: not be okay with me, but I'm not a member

578
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: of that particular religious practice. In this case, it doesn't

579
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: seem that this is uh, you know, something that God

580
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: told him to do, but rather a remarkable lack of

581
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: empathy for these women. He can't put himself in their

582
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Speaker 1: shoes to sort out that that's not going to be

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00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: okay with them that they are having. You know, in

584
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: the wife's case, she's married to him. That implies that

585
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: nobody's going outside of the relationship for sex or love

586
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: or or anything, you know, romantic love or anything like that. So,

587
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, the behavior here is very sinister. You know

588
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: what Joe Scott was saying before about shooting her up

589
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: with heroin. In my mind, as a forensic psychologist and

590
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: reviewing so many of these cases, I immediately thought. He's

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00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: planning ahead to get evidence on her in case there's

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00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: a custody battle, and so he can say to her,

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00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: you can't leave me. You won't get your son, you

594
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: won't get a penny from me. You have to stay

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00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: with me and do what I want because I have

596
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: this evidence that you used drug. You know, it's interesting,

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00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: Hilly Gunther joining US investigative reporter k QTV that he

598
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Speaker 1: says the point of it all was to get her

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Speaker 1: to return to him. I don't know that I totally

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00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: agree with that, even though that's what he is saying.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten k HQ. The

602
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: directions Ronald Ilg allegedly provided to a dark web hitman

603
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Speaker 1: to kidnap his estranged wife is about the only thing

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Speaker 1: that is clear and this stranger than fiction story. As

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00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: outlining court dox il tried to hire a professional criminal

606
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: to kidnap his wife. In part, the target destroyed two

607
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: families and walked away as if she did nothing. I

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00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: want the target kidnapped for seven days. While being held,

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00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: she will be given injections of heroin at least two

610
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: times per day. Exaccused of also encouraging the kidnapper. To quote,

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00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: he use all means necessary to convince his wife to

612
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Speaker 1: drop the divorce and come back to him. Doc state

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00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: he wanted the kidnapping to occur while he and his

614
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: girlfriend were in Mexico, so he was to put the

615
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: marriage back together again. And he's plotting all this off

616
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Speaker 1: on a vacation to Mexico with his girlfriend. To jump in,

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00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: I have to this is Ashley. All I have to

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Speaker 1: say is I don't believe he wanted her back either.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to control the circumstances. He didn't like the

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Speaker 1: way it was going. What's the best way to control it?

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Speaker 1: Do this? And I absolutely don't think he wanted her back.

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Speaker 1: He just have a control yeah, because he wanted her

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Speaker 1: kidnapped and tortured. I don't care what he's saying now.

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00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't have to prove the motive in court. The

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00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: state is not required to prove that the reality is

626
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: that there is a trail a mile y between burner phones,

627
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: his dark Web activity, and statements he has made to

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Speaker 1: the girlfriend and to police. Hailey Gut Where does the

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Speaker 1: case stand right now? You know he's still he's still

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Speaker 1: in jail. Um here here we have this doctor, the

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Speaker 1: successful doctor who had a remarkable career, and he has

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00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: not been able to bail out of jail. He is

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Speaker 1: awaiting trial. It was supposed to be um coming up

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00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: this month, but it has been pushed to October. Of course,

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00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: we anticipate it will likely get pushed back again, but

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Speaker 1: he remains a spoken County jail inmates, and the investigation

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Speaker 1: is just is continuing. I do know that his um

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Speaker 1: and one of the court hearings, his first wife was

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Speaker 1: there to kind of vouch for him and even was

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Speaker 1: willing to provide, you know, a place for him to

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Speaker 1: go while this whole thing continues to play out in

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Speaker 1: the and the court system. But it's my understanding he

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Speaker 1: was believed to be too much of a fight. There

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Speaker 1: is no way this guy should get out on bond,

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Speaker 1: flight risk plus a risk to the second wife and

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Speaker 1: girl signed the two witnesses against him. We wait as

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Speaker 1: justice unfolds. A neonatal doctor taken down by the FBI

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Speaker 1: and his foiled plot to kidnap and torture his wife,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace comes story, signing off goodbye friend,