Speaker 1: Monday morning, March eighteenth, twenty twenty four. It is the
Speaker 1: Beating the Book podcast, March Madness Megapod. It's skill Alexander.
Speaker 1: This is about as good as it gets. Let's put
Speaker 1: it this way. Last year's March March Madness megapod was
Speaker 1: about as great as it got. Todd wishing to Will Hill,
Speaker 1: Jeff Pearls and I did this show last year. Will
Speaker 1: Hill picked fau Florida Atlantic to get to the final four.
Speaker 1: Toddy picked Ukonda beat San Diego State in the finals.
Speaker 1: He also had Michigan State advancing far. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: If you go back and listen, it was just incredible.
Speaker 1: They joined me again. Everybody but Parlay, Will Hill and
Speaker 1: Todd do we bring him in from their respective homes?
Speaker 1: Will Hill, how you doing? Man? You good?
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 3: Not sure why we're doing this podcast. We pretty much
Speaker 3: did it last night. Todd transcribed the entire podcast. Every
Speaker 3: time of the bracket would come out with another matchup,
Speaker 3: he'd give us a side a total derivative.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it's got to read those
Speaker 2: texts and we can move on. But yeah, excited, good
Speaker 2: to see you guys.
Speaker 1: Why don't I just call you like you said, Why
Speaker 1: don't I just copy and paste that somewhere and we
Speaker 1: don't even have to do this show. There you go.
Speaker 1: Todd wished it from his mom's cork attic in Pittsburgh, PA.
Speaker 1: How you doing, man?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: Last year's tournament bracket cost me thirty five thousand because
Speaker 5: I forgot to, or I didn't forget. I didn't There
Speaker 5: was a sports book that I usually would enter the
Speaker 5: brackets too, that I'd been limited at, and then I
Speaker 5: didn't realize, well, I could always still enter their brackets
Speaker 5: for one hundred dollars, and because I didn't, I would.
Speaker 4: Have ended up second place and it cost me thirty
Speaker 4: five thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: So that was probably my greatest performance ever in brackets.
Speaker 5: This year, I will be horrendous, I am sure, So
Speaker 5: fade me like crazy, just like my friend Gilly the
Speaker 5: Iceman had the greatest NFL megapod season of all time
Speaker 5: this past year and next year, you can fade him religiously.
Speaker 4: Because he is due to go down hard as am.
Speaker 1: I thank you so much. Uh yeah, we should point.
Speaker 4: Out that wasn't against you, that was against both of us.
Speaker 1: You know, we should we should point out that is
Speaker 1: that really was the biggest takeaway. First of all, Will,
Speaker 1: by the way, the host of the should Have Bet
Speaker 1: More podcast, Uh, Todd the star of the Showtime Action
Speaker 1: Showtime docuseries Action among both of these guys. Both these guys,
Speaker 1: of course, really big stars on the megapod, though that's
Speaker 1: the football megapod. Will also does the bear bet spot
Speaker 1: over at Fox Sports with Chris Filica. Yes, that was
Speaker 1: the big thing from last year. Despite the fact that
Speaker 1: I said twice on this very podcast while we recorded,
Speaker 1: it's actually on there where I'm like, hey, Todd, your
Speaker 1: bracket is such that it's so wacky, you should probably
Speaker 1: enter one of these big tournaments, one of these big
Speaker 1: tournament pools. You uh drove to Arizona to actually make
Speaker 1: bets and neglect it to actually enter it, and then
Speaker 1: as the tournament went. We never did a follow up podcast,
Speaker 1: but we've talked about it many times since. When we
Speaker 1: finally got to the end, Doug Wedge, who listened to
Speaker 1: this show last year, one of our listeners, uh really
Speaker 1: nice guy, told us that he finished in second largely
Speaker 1: because he listened to what you guys, what your picks were,
Speaker 1: and then the horror show began. And this was really,
Speaker 1: by the way, Doda's downplaying a little, because we really
Speaker 1: got worried that you would have won it and would
Speaker 1: have won a million dollars. And in fact, when you
Speaker 1: first brought it up to me as your friend, I
Speaker 1: was terrified for this outcome because if you had neglected
Speaker 1: to put in picks that would have won you a
Speaker 1: million dollars. I don't know how you could have been consoled,
Speaker 1: and so thankfully you only cost yourself thirty five thousand
Speaker 1: by finishing. You would have finished second, and that was
Speaker 1: I would just say, the greatest thirty five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: that you could have ever lost, because thank god it
Speaker 1: wasn't a million. I guess it's what I'm saying. What
Speaker 1: do you think if you had if you had if
Speaker 1: you would have won it and not put in the picks,
Speaker 1: do you think you would like? What do you think
Speaker 1: what would your reaction have been?
Speaker 5: Well, I'm day to day on life as it is
Speaker 5: in regular situations. So now you tell me, oh, I
Speaker 5: have a freaking bracket sitting on my desk that I
Speaker 5: didn't put in because I didn't realize I should just
Speaker 5: put one hundred dollars in that book.
Speaker 4: They wouldn't care whether I was in the brackets or not.
Speaker 4: I would have lost my mind and.
Speaker 5: I probably would not be here today, which probably, you know,
Speaker 5: might be a good thing, because I could come to
Speaker 5: you in a dream and give you all the picks,
Speaker 5: you know, and then you'd be you'd be the greatest
Speaker 5: sports gambler of all time.
Speaker 4: And Gilly would be like, well, I'm just really good
Speaker 4: at this, and wouldn't.
Speaker 5: Be telling anybody that he'd be receiving all the picks
Speaker 5: through dreams or dreams.
Speaker 1: Because Todd wishnev is a is a documented one bajillion thousand,
Speaker 1: quintillion and oh when he thinks of a pick and
Speaker 1: doesn't play it, I believe it's the actual documentary record.
Speaker 1: All right, before we're going to do bracket by bracket,
Speaker 1: we're any reason by reason we're going to do because Todd,
Speaker 1: I thought you had a great suggestion last year. You
Speaker 1: don't want to do final fours like everybody else. Let's
Speaker 1: do the final eights, right who's beating who in every
Speaker 1: regional final just to make it a little more interesting,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get who You're gonna advance in your
Speaker 1: bracket who you would have ats before we do that.
Speaker 1: We didn't do this last year for whatever reason. I
Speaker 1: do this on a numbers game all the time. I
Speaker 1: didn't do it on the megapod. So I want to
Speaker 1: start by just doing this college basketball formula that I
Speaker 1: do on the radio side each and every year. The
Speaker 1: point of this exercise is that as crazy as the
Speaker 1: first couple rounds and into the you know, the Sweet
Speaker 1: sixteen is, in terms of upsets in a normal college
Speaker 1: basketball and in a normal NCAA tournament, that picking the
Speaker 1: ultimate champion often is much more simple. And so these
Speaker 1: six criteria, and I've done this on the show, and
Speaker 1: I'll just do it here on the megapod. Last thirty
Speaker 1: three champs had more assists than turnovers. Okay, that's pretty simple.
Speaker 1: Thirty one of the last thirty three champs had a
Speaker 1: head coach with Sweet Sixteen experience prior to this tournament.
Speaker 1: The only exceptions twenty fourteen Yukon Huskies with Kevin Ali
Speaker 1: as their head coach sabbet. That was the Shabbaz Napier
Speaker 1: led version of the Yukon Huskies, not the Kemba Walker
Speaker 1: led version. And then last year Danny Hurley of the
Speaker 1: Yukon Huskies twenty twenty three Yukon Champs. He hadn't had
Speaker 1: any Sweet sixteen experience as a head coach. Twenty seven
Speaker 1: of the last twenty eight went into the tournament with
Speaker 1: at least three wins versus teams in the top ten
Speaker 1: percent of RPI. That's how long I've been doing this
Speaker 1: formula that we use RPI. The only exception the twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen Yukon Huskies. You will notice a pattern with that team.
Speaker 1: Last twenty eight champs had a top seventy five strength
Speaker 1: of schedule. That's off in dicey for teams like Houston
Speaker 1: through the years, but it is for like a duke.
Speaker 1: This year, twenty of the last twenty one champs were
Speaker 1: in the top twenty in adjusted offensive efficiency at ken Palm.
Speaker 1: The only exception of the twenty fourteen Yukon Huskies. Once again,
Speaker 1: they were thirty ninth in adjusted offense that year. And
Speaker 1: the only non Yukon exception to this is the final criteria,
Speaker 1: which is twenty of the last twenty one champs were
Speaker 1: in the top twenty and adjusted defensive efficiency n Palm.
Speaker 1: That was the twenty twenty one Baylor Bears, who finished
Speaker 1: number twenty two in adjusted defensive efficiency. Now, the only
Speaker 1: thing that can adjust it during the tournament are the
Speaker 1: Ken Pom numbers. As we head into the Big Dance.
Speaker 1: Here are the four teams that qualify to win it
Speaker 1: all based on that formula, Yukon, Houston, Arizona, and Auburn. Yukon, Houston,
Speaker 1: Arizona and Auburn just on the outside looking in, and
Speaker 1: they might be able to play their way in Marquette
Speaker 1: twenty first in adjusted offensive efficiency at Ken Palm nineteenth
Speaker 1: in defense, and Purdue fourth in offense, twenty first in
Speaker 1: adjusted defensive efficiency. Then a little further out unc Tennessee,
Speaker 1: Creighton and Duke Duke. By the way, John Shire hasn't
Speaker 1: been to a Sweet sixteen, so he'd have to buck
Speaker 1: that as well. So that's what the formula says in
Speaker 1: terms of an eventual champion. Does that sound about right
Speaker 1: to you, Todd when you hear.
Speaker 5: That, Yeah, I mean any of the team. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 5: I think Yukon's the best team. I think everyone won
Speaker 5: agree with that. But you know, anything can happen in
Speaker 5: these games, and you know, I think Yukon got absolutely
Speaker 5: destroyed on the brackets. I think the brackets are There's
Speaker 5: one really really tough bracket and then three ridiculously easy brackets.
Speaker 4: So it's not even close.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, I cannot believe how they did this,
Speaker 5: and I usually am not one who finds it interesting
Speaker 5: all the seating arguments, but this one is just just
Speaker 5: absolutely egregious.
Speaker 4: Along with Saint John's not being in Willie, I'm sure
Speaker 4: you agree with me.
Speaker 2: Completely.
Speaker 3: I mean, Ken Palm's not the be all end all,
Speaker 3: but it is pretty damn well respected, and the committee
Speaker 3: just didn't seem to care. I mean, what forty four
Speaker 3: spot discrepancy between Saint John's and Virginia. How Dukenes and
Speaker 3: eleven Now nobody cares about Duquine eleven seed. But that's
Speaker 3: just laziness. That's just Sunday a year.
Speaker 4: It's talking about the Duke King Dukes. We're here in
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh and we're loving that club.
Speaker 5: Usually we get the Panthers, the pitt Panthers down there,
Speaker 5: but this year we have the Bluffets a Duke kne Dukes.
Speaker 5: I don't like when you're talking bad about my Duke
Speaker 5: Cane Dupes in that.
Speaker 1: In that by the way, to your point, and you're right,
Speaker 1: and Todd is not a person who gives a damn
Speaker 1: about these kinds of non betting narratives about seedings and stuff.
Speaker 1: So the fact that it bothers you is a huge thing.
Speaker 1: And that was pretty much the consensus narrative from yesterday
Speaker 1: that Yukon the number one overall seed and let's do it.
Speaker 1: Will you brought up Ken Palm, these are the other
Speaker 1: and I'll do it top twenty four teams in Kenpom
Speaker 1: because Saint John's, who did not get invited to the
Speaker 1: tournament is twenty fifth. So it's a it's a nice
Speaker 1: sort of breaking point. So here's who Yukon has in
Speaker 1: their region. Twenty first in Ken Palm, San Diego State,
Speaker 1: fourth in Ken Palm, Auburn, sixteenth in Ken Palm BYU,
Speaker 1: tenth in Ken Palm, Illinois, fifth in Ken Palm, Iowa State,
Speaker 1: all of those in their region. Now, the committee chair
Speaker 1: was like, hey, they got to pick where they played,
Speaker 1: and then it comes a travel thing for the other teams.
Speaker 1: Contrast that we won't do the others all of the others.
Speaker 1: But contrast that would say, who's in the Midwest perdue
Speaker 1: the third overall number one seed. Here's who they have
Speaker 1: Ken Palm top twenty four in their region ready for this,
Speaker 1: Number fifteen, Gonzaga, number twenty two, Kansas, number eleven, Creighton,
Speaker 1: and number seven Tennessee. That's it. So it's fewer of
Speaker 1: the top twenty four in Ken Palm that are even
Speaker 1: in their region and not as good. So that's sort
Speaker 1: of quantifying any Kempom numbers.
Speaker 5: I mean, how can Yukon have to play Auburn in
Speaker 5: the sweet sixteen. That's just incredibly unfair. I mean, last
Speaker 5: year I had my one future ticket was Yukon twenty
Speaker 5: two to one, and of course it won. This year,
Speaker 5: I took them again eleven to one in December again,
Speaker 5: and now I feel like there's no way they're gonna win.
Speaker 4: It's just too hard. Auburn's there, Illinois, Iowa State.
Speaker 1: It's been absurd, isn't Auburn. Auburn specifically is the one
Speaker 1: that the committee miss seems to have miss ranked or
Speaker 1: misjudged more than any because if you look at just
Speaker 1: the futures markets, right, Yukon is four to one to
Speaker 1: win the whole tournament, Houston is five to one, Perdue
Speaker 1: is six to one. After that, it's all double digit.
Speaker 1: It starts with Arizona at twelve to one, Carolina fourteen
Speaker 1: to one, and then Auburn fifteen to one. So Auburn
Speaker 1: is the sixth shortest shot on the board. Auburn and
Speaker 1: Tennessee bo sixteen to one, six shortest shot in the
Speaker 1: entire country on the board to win it all. They're
Speaker 1: number four in Ken Palm and the committee has them
Speaker 1: as a number four seed. So that's just you know,
Speaker 1: off the charts. Yeah, that's crazy. That's the big headline
Speaker 1: from selections Sunday anyway, and I think most agree with that.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is the Saint John's of the
Speaker 1: world in the Indiana States of the world, who who
Speaker 1: didn't get invited as at large as thirty two auto
Speaker 1: bids thirty six at large. As part of that was
Speaker 1: because and they were correct in this, there were five
Speaker 1: bids stolen. Five bids were just stolen in terms of
Speaker 1: how things shook out this past week. And you know
Speaker 1: that right there makes it difficult for even teams that
Speaker 1: were on the bubble that had a shot to even
Speaker 1: have a chance of this because NC State stole have
Speaker 1: been in the ACC one hundred to one odds to
Speaker 1: win the ACC Tournament. They got it done. Five wins
Speaker 1: in five days, more wins at the Capitol One Arena
Speaker 1: than the Wizards have had all year there. Oregon Stole
Speaker 1: have been in the PAC twelve, New Mexico in the
Speaker 1: Mountain West, Uab and Ducaine were the others. So you
Speaker 1: have like the Saint John's of the world who immediately said, well,
Speaker 1: we're not even going to the NIT and that has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the transfer portal at being
Speaker 1: at the timing of all that now. So like, I
Speaker 1: don't even know if the niit can exist in the
Speaker 1: same way that it always did, because why would you
Speaker 1: play if you don't even know if your players are
Speaker 1: coming or going? You know, so interesting interesting in that
Speaker 1: regard bracket strategy real quick, for you know, the four
Speaker 1: tenants of bracket strategy before we get into this bracket
Speaker 1: by bracket Jason Lisk and Tom Federico did a great
Speaker 1: job of this back at Team ranking. If you are
Speaker 1: entering brackets, and I know most of you are, tens
Speaker 1: of millions of Americans are four tenants. Four tenants because
Speaker 1: there's nine point two quintillion variations of how you can
Speaker 1: fill out a bracket, so you need an edge over
Speaker 1: your competition. One, understand your scoring system. If you are
Speaker 1: in a traditional pool that scores a two, four, eight, sixteen, thirty, two,
Speaker 1: sixty four, you got to prioritize who's in the final four,
Speaker 1: who's in the championship game, who's in the finals. Upsets
Speaker 1: really don't matter that early. It doesn't matter. Just get
Speaker 1: the back end right. But if you're in an upset
Speaker 1: rewarded pool, go crazy picking thirteen's over fours and twelves
Speaker 1: over fives and fourteens over threes, because if you get
Speaker 1: the fourteen over three, not only do you get that
Speaker 1: point or two points or whatever it is your traditional
Speaker 1: scoring system, but you also get the fourteen minus three
Speaker 1: the additional eleven points. So just go crazy if you're
Speaker 1: in an upset rewarded pool, So know your scoring system.
Speaker 1: Second one is a cess risks and value. We talk
Speaker 1: about this in NFL Survivor. ESPN is a great resource
Speaker 1: for knowing who's what percentage of people are picking. What
Speaker 1: be contrarian to some degree. Don't go contrarian on everything.
Speaker 1: Assess risk and value, but know what teams are underpicked.
Speaker 1: In other words, and go with that third thing, adjust
Speaker 1: strategy for pool size. The smaller the pool, the more conservative.
Speaker 1: You have ten people in your pool, pick favorites. If
Speaker 1: you have ten thousand, you gotta pick tons of upsets
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna win it otherwise. So adjust the
Speaker 1: strategy for your pool size. And the other one is
Speaker 1: avoid the quote unquote golden rules. Again. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Jason Lisk and Tom Federico. You'll hear this in mainstream media. Oh,
Speaker 1: twelve five games. Oh you gotta pick twelves. There's nothing
Speaker 1: magical about being a twelve seed, Like, don't pay attention
Speaker 1: to that noise. Do your handicapping, do your power rankings.
Speaker 1: So understand your scoring system, assess risk and value. Just
Speaker 1: strategy for pool size, avoid the Golden rules. All right,
Speaker 1: y'all ready to do this racket by bracket?
Speaker 2: I thought we were done. Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Sorry this was too long for you. All right,
Speaker 1: let us begin with the East region. This is Yukon Region.
Speaker 1: They're the number one overall seed. They're playing Stetson. The
Speaker 1: Hatters of Stetson are the Atlantic Sun Tournament champs. They're
Speaker 1: the number sixty four overall seed and their first NCAA appearance.
Speaker 1: Yukon with the highest offensive efficiency in D one one
Speaker 1: point two to three points per possession, third straight defending
Speaker 1: champ to get a number one seed. I assume you're
Speaker 1: all advancing Yukon in your brackets. Are you playing the spread,
Speaker 1: which is the biggest spread on the board of all
Speaker 1: the round of sixty four games twenty six and a half?
Speaker 1: Anything here?
Speaker 2: It would be Yukon or pass. I haven't played it yet, though, Dotty,
Speaker 2: anything there.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not playing a pregame.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, that game's Friday in Brooklyn, as is this one?
Speaker 1: Winner of that game, assuming it's Yukon take the We'll
Speaker 1: play the winner of the eight to nine game between
Speaker 1: Florida Atlantic Tip Florida Atlantic and Northwestern. I get excited
Speaker 1: about Florida Atlantic because of course, uh this was Will's
Speaker 1: team last year o Booie in Northwestern bo Bowie won
Speaker 1: of four D one players with nineteen plus points game
Speaker 1: of five plus a sisper game. Florida Atlantic remains a
Speaker 1: bit of a favorite here, slight favorite in this game, Todd,
Speaker 1: did you who are you advancing? And did you play
Speaker 1: anything on the spread here?
Speaker 5: I'm very interested in playing North through I know everyone
Speaker 5: you know yesterday on the text, you know, Feedswick was
Speaker 5: making fun of me because I was saying Northwestern's good
Speaker 5: and everything, and I like Northwestern over FAU, mostly because
Speaker 5: I think FAU is not good.
Speaker 4: FAU all.
Speaker 5: Now, early in the season, I was up on FAU
Speaker 5: in the non conference, but in the conference they were underwhelming,
Speaker 5: and I like Northwestern.
Speaker 4: I like boo boo ye.
Speaker 5: I like scrappy ass, you know, defensive minded, you know,
Speaker 5: guard play in the in the NCAA tournament. So I
Speaker 5: would not be shocked at all if Northwestern beats FAU.
Speaker 1: Will FAU favorite by two? Here I should say, as
Speaker 1: we do this Monday morning.
Speaker 3: How FA you got an e C two? Is perplexing
Speaker 3: because if you just aside from the Arizona when they
Speaker 3: do not have a lot of really impressive wins, the
Speaker 3: resume is not impressive. Coin foot game, obviously, I'll go
Speaker 3: with FAU. I just I do think there's more of
Speaker 3: an upside than they've shown. I think there was a
Speaker 3: little bit of a boredom this year after, like, let's
Speaker 3: face it, they were a second away from making the
Speaker 3: national title game. They really let that game against San
Speaker 3: Diego State get away. I just I like your guard play.
Speaker 3: I think they have enough offense. Northwestern really shot over
Speaker 3: their skis a lot of big ten play.
Speaker 2: I think there's some regression that we've seen, so I'll
Speaker 2: go with Florida Atlantic to advance.
Speaker 1: Nothing like that, all right, San Diego State. Those games,
Speaker 1: by the way, we're in Brooklyn on Friday. These are
Speaker 1: also on Friday, but these are in Spokane, Washington in
Speaker 1: the East Region, because nothing says East Regional more than Spokane, Washington.
Speaker 1: Five twelve game between San Diego State and UAB. The
Speaker 1: Blazers were sixteen to one pre flop to win the
Speaker 1: American Athletic Tournament CHAM tournament, and they did, becoming the
Speaker 1: champs there. They killed us because we all wanted Temple
Speaker 1: to get there. But what can you do? San Diego
Speaker 1: State is Aztecs are a five and a half point
Speaker 1: favorite here, make it six and a half as I
Speaker 1: look at it right now, will anything here?
Speaker 3: I think San Diego State will pull out the win.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked if they lost. I like you
Speaker 3: AB plus the points. I think that opened seven and
Speaker 3: a half or six and a half. I can see a
Speaker 3: close game. I just think San Diego State has enough
Speaker 3: defense tire to advance, so UAB plus the points. But
Speaker 3: I'll pick San Diego State to win, Doddy.
Speaker 5: I would do you AB first half, maybe, Willie, because
Speaker 5: there's been a lot of games San Diego State kind
Speaker 5: of comes out a little sketchy and then really turns
Speaker 5: it on in the second half. So if I, like,
Speaker 5: if I was going to play the dog pregame, I
Speaker 5: might play them first half as opposed to game.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that makes sense to you, guys.
Speaker 1: And Todd, you brought that up last year on this show,
Speaker 1: cracked it earlier this last week, I should say on
Speaker 1: the radio side, but playing dogs in the round of
Speaker 1: sixty four is often a first half thing as opposed
Speaker 1: to a full game thing. Right, That has been tried
Speaker 1: and true through the years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because sometimes these teams have about thirty or thirty
Speaker 5: five minutes in them and then they fall apart late.
Speaker 1: All right, winner of that game. Also in Spokane on Friday,
Speaker 1: takes on the winner of the Auburn Yale game Auburn
Speaker 1: number four. As we mentioned Ken Palm twenty seven and
Speaker 1: seven on the air, Bruce Pearl, Baby, let's get a
Speaker 1: leaflet to the championship here taking on Yale IVY League
Speaker 1: tournament champs, and by tournament I mean four teams, all
Speaker 1: five starters for Yale averaging ten plus points per game.
Speaker 1: Auburn big favorites here Todd thirteen point favorites. To be exact,
Speaker 1: you're advancing Auburn. Would you play the would you play
Speaker 1: the number here at all?
Speaker 5: Nope, I'd advance Auburn. Yale might be able to hang
Speaker 5: with them in the first half. You know, Auburn just
Speaker 5: came off the SEC tournament win and so you know,
Speaker 5: maybe they'll just be sleepwalking and thinking, oh, we can
Speaker 5: just kill this Yale team. Yale got a miracle to
Speaker 5: get in because they were the best team in the
Speaker 5: IVY League, but they should have lost. They were down
Speaker 5: six with twenty seven seconds left the Brown somehow they
Speaker 5: pulled that one out. But Yale is actually a pretty
Speaker 5: good team, you know, and they're gonna they're gonna be smart.
Speaker 5: So they're gonna they're gonna, I'm sure they're gonna slow
Speaker 5: it down and try to garbage it up.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: Obviously they're not gonna be good enough probably to beat Auburn,
Speaker 5: but maybe they could hang for the first half.
Speaker 1: Like we haven't seen IVY League schools do big things
Speaker 1: in the tournaments before. Tom about you Princeton, will any
Speaker 1: thoughts here?
Speaker 3: I will take Yale plus the point. I will take
Speaker 3: Yale to advance. I think they can redown and I
Speaker 3: think they can defend flow the game down a little bit,
Speaker 3: like you said, very lucky, I mean down six with
Speaker 3: what twenty four seconds to go, not only a win,
Speaker 3: but win regulation. But this is a good team and
Speaker 3: they're a smart team. Auburn they can be a little
Speaker 3: helter skelter sometimes, so Okay, it's obviously a major athleticism
Speaker 3: advantage for Auburn, like Todd said, if they can hang
Speaker 3: around who knows, Auburn get a little tighty here.
Speaker 2: I'll take Yale.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yale's down four, they hit a three, then fouled,
Speaker 1: kid miss two free throws, and they hit a seven
Speaker 1: footer or to win the game. Okay. Other side of
Speaker 1: the East Region Thursday in Omaha, six eleven game between BYU,
Speaker 1: last turning win for them in twenty twelve. They're number
Speaker 1: sixteen in campon They're against the eleven seeded Dukine Dukes.
Speaker 1: Todd from Pittsburgh first NCAA appearance for Duke Kyne since
Speaker 1: nineteen hundred seventy and seven. They were fourteen and fourteen
Speaker 1: to one to win the A ten tournament. Pardon me,
Speaker 1: fourteen to one to win the A ten tournament. Say
Speaker 1: that three times fast. Norm Nixon was their point guard
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy seven. I believe, BYU, I.
Speaker 4: Don't saying that. I think Norm Nixon was already in NBA.
Speaker 4: Are youin' sure about that down there?
Speaker 1: Oh? Maybe not? Maybe you're right, let me check.
Speaker 5: I think it was BB Flannery and Bruce Atkins in that.
Speaker 5: I was Tanyans guys on text yesterday and my dad
Speaker 5: used to take me to the Pitt du Cane games
Speaker 5: all the time when I was seven eight nine years old,
Speaker 5: and there would be like a fight on the court
Speaker 5: like almost every game.
Speaker 4: It was incredible.
Speaker 1: Norm Nixon was Norm Nixon was a senior on that team.
Speaker 1: He was drafted. He was drafted right after that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, well the old Eastern eight Ducane that
Speaker 5: was the last time they were able to get into
Speaker 5: the NCAA tournament. By the way, Ducaine's not bad. They're
Speaker 5: really not bad at all. And the coach is good.
Speaker 5: The I hate this matchup for them because I think
Speaker 5: BYU is going to be a little too much for them.
Speaker 5: But I know Willy was saying, you know that being
Speaker 5: the eleven seed is a little ridiculous, and that's probably true,
Speaker 5: but I'm you know, don't sleep on them.
Speaker 4: They can They can play a.
Speaker 5: Gritty defensive style and possibly pull the upset. BYU basically
Speaker 5: has three point shooting galore. So we all know an
Speaker 5: NCA tournament games sometimes in these venues that these teams
Speaker 5: don't play in, typically three point shooting can go what
Speaker 5: we would call a rye, and then you're a three
Speaker 5: point shooting team, you know, like BYU is, and all
Speaker 5: of a sudden you have a bad shooting game and
Speaker 5: Ducaine's beating you up and stuff. Who knows, maybe Dukine
Speaker 5: could hang with BYU.
Speaker 1: BYU favored by nine by the way, BYU, who only
Speaker 1: knows how to play one way, just hoisting threes. So
Speaker 1: if they're way up or if they're way down, you
Speaker 1: know a run's coming either way either from their if
Speaker 1: they're both from their opponent, whether they're down or ahead
Speaker 1: of BYU, you're advancing BYU here will yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Age is going to be too much for decane now.
Speaker 2: They just have too much offense here. For BYU, I.
Speaker 3: Think they'll be up with outscore. I'm looking ahead too.
Speaker 3: If it is BYU Illinois, my goodness, who's getting stops
Speaker 3: in that game?
Speaker 2: What does that total look like?
Speaker 4: Toddy?
Speaker 1: Geez?
Speaker 4: One hundred and ninety eight?
Speaker 1: Are you playing the number at all? Here? Will no
Speaker 1: b YU favored by nine?
Speaker 2: No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't like laying points with them because I don't
Speaker 3: know how many stops they're gonna get. But they're gonna
Speaker 3: have too much offense. I'd be surprised that they lost
Speaker 3: this game, all right.
Speaker 1: Winner of that. Also Thursday in Omaha will take on
Speaker 1: the aforementioned Illinois fighting a lion I number ten and
Speaker 1: Ken Palm. They're the third seed in this region against
Speaker 1: number fourteen Morehead State. The Eagles won the Ohio Valley Tournament.
Speaker 1: Illinois a big favorite in this.
Speaker 5: Whether I have some more head notes for you? You
Speaker 5: know some of these teams that nobody's of, like Morehead State.
Speaker 5: Morehead State played four teams in the top one hundred
Speaker 5: on Ken Palm. They played BAMA, Purdue, and Penn State
Speaker 5: and were blown out in all three of those games.
Speaker 5: They also played Indiana, which is like ninetieth or something
Speaker 5: in Ken Palm, and they lost sixty nine to sixty eight.
Speaker 5: But when they played anybody halfway decent, they got absolutely
Speaker 5: blown to bits.
Speaker 1: And Illinois's at twelve and a half point favorite. Here.
Speaker 1: By the way, I love when you come prepared. You
Speaker 1: did this last year too, Toddy with certain teams, So
Speaker 1: thank you for that. So no, you're certainly not based
Speaker 1: on what you just said, you're certainly not taking morehead
Speaker 1: state to advance. Would you consider that plus the points.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna do it. Here's the thing with Illinois.
Speaker 5: Illinois doesn't stop anybody, but they're impossible to stop that
Speaker 5: The mask just like just literally backs you down and
Speaker 5: you can't stop him. He plays like jcccyo basketball and
Speaker 5: he just backs and down.
Speaker 1: And then that.
Speaker 5: Shannon is just unbelievable in the open court. You know
Speaker 5: that he may have some issues with ladies, however on
Speaker 5: the court he is quite outstanding.
Speaker 4: They don't stop anybody.
Speaker 5: So Illinois is a great over kind of team. If
Speaker 5: you if the game starts going up and down, just
Speaker 5: bet the over because Illinois just won't stop anybody. In
Speaker 5: the score every single time.
Speaker 1: Todd, who compared himself to Terren Shannon Junior yesterday via text,
Speaker 1: saying that he would back down me and Stevie Feszick
Speaker 1: and just Bank shot us to death, and then I
Speaker 1: proceeded to murder him for the next hour about Terrence
Speaker 1: Shannon Junior comparisons which Todd Todd is the smartest guy
Speaker 1: in the world, but when it comes to text, he
Speaker 1: has a little trouble interpreting humor on texts.
Speaker 5: Fascinating care well, I didn't like getting compared to a
Speaker 5: possible a legend rapist.
Speaker 4: You know that's a little rough.
Speaker 1: But you will any thoughts on this one?
Speaker 3: I texted in the group chat yesterday Morehead plus thirteen
Speaker 3: and a half, where I got yelled at by Fez
Speaker 3: for not giving a rotation number.
Speaker 2: But I do think Morehead plays slow, plays good defense.
Speaker 3: They got a couple of guards, like todd'said, Illinois doesn't
Speaker 3: get many stops. I think we're looking at a close
Speaker 3: game here, so I'll take you one order advance.
Speaker 2: I'll take more Head to cover though.
Speaker 1: This is by the way, how do you like this
Speaker 1: from's just texted? He goes, I'll explain why later, but
Speaker 1: you've gotten screwed. And then I'm like, what he hasn't
Speaker 1: responded to me that love text?
Speaker 5: Like that he doesn't read text. He's he's on transmit,
Speaker 5: not received.
Speaker 4: Understand.
Speaker 1: That's right, it's only outgoing. There's no incoming, all right,
Speaker 1: Thursday Way Morehead.
Speaker 5: Also Morehead to play slow, so you never know they
Speaker 5: might be able to You know, a lot of times
Speaker 5: you have these teams that are like running gun teams,
Speaker 5: play against a really slow team and then all of
Speaker 5: a sudden it's just not happening for them because it's
Speaker 5: just such a slow game. So that if you're going
Speaker 5: to go against Illinois, this is the kind of team
Speaker 5: to go against them with because they're a slow down team.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a great point. So that's Peter Keating used
Speaker 1: to be at ESPN. Now he's at and then he
Speaker 1: was at the Athletic and I think he does stuff
Speaker 1: for DraftKings now. But he used to do a segment
Speaker 1: called Giant Killers with his buddy Jordan Brenner where they
Speaker 1: went through the carecteristics of what really comprises a giant
Speaker 1: killer potentially in the Big Dance, And one of those
Speaker 1: big things was what you just said, Todd, which is
Speaker 1: a team that plays super slow that limits the number
Speaker 1: of possessions and therefore mitigates the talent disadvantage by minimizing
Speaker 1: the number of possessions. Makes sense.
Speaker 5: Plus you can also frustrate the other team as well,
Speaker 5: because if they're not you know, so it's two it's twofold.
Speaker 1: Twofold exactly. Thursday Final a couple of games in this
Speaker 1: bracket in this region Thursday, Omaha, where a lower seed
Speaker 1: is the favorite, although this is really a pick them. Drake,
Speaker 1: the Bulldogs of Drake, the Missouri Valley Tournament champs, the
Speaker 1: ten seed twenty eight and six on the ear, are
Speaker 1: taking on number seven Wazoo, Wazoo's first NCAA appearance since
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. Drake. I had it as a
Speaker 1: pick them yesterday. One of my singing right now, in
Speaker 1: this ballgame, Drake is a Yeah, Drake is a one
Speaker 1: and a half point favorite as the lower seed, Todd.
Speaker 1: Any who advances any.
Speaker 5: Play this is just so pointing like this. This is
Speaker 5: the bracket in a nutshell. They screwed everything for us
Speaker 5: this year. You have two teams that I wanted to
Speaker 5: both bet on Wazoo and Drake. I like both of
Speaker 5: those teams, and now they're playing each other. So now
Speaker 5: what am I gonna do? I'm stuck having to take
Speaker 5: one of these teams when I like both of these teams.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Wazoo to advance. But you know, Drake
Speaker 5: is pretty good.
Speaker 4: So I'd be very scared in this game. Willie.
Speaker 3: I was surprised Washington State hadn't made it since two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, so they never made it those Klay
Speaker 3: Thompson years, which surprises me. I like Drake last year
Speaker 3: against Miami. They burned me in Miami. We went on
Speaker 3: to the final four. It's a toss up game. Obviously,
Speaker 3: I'll go with Drake here.
Speaker 2: I like Devreez.
Speaker 3: I was impressed with them against Indiana State. Should be
Speaker 3: a down to the wire game. I'll go with Drake
Speaker 3: and a toss up nothing I bet though.
Speaker 1: All right. Winner of that game will take on also
Speaker 1: Thursday at Omaha Number two Iowa State versus number fifteen
Speaker 1: South Dakota State, the jack Rabbits Summit Tournament champs. They're
Speaker 1: on an eight game win streak. The Cyclones are number
Speaker 1: five and Ken Palm twenty one. Points per game off
Speaker 1: turnovers for Iowa State the most in D one. Iowa
Speaker 1: State's a big favorite here in this game, obviously, sixteen
Speaker 1: and a half point favorite. South Dakota State is one
Speaker 1: of these teams though, that people love to talk about. Will.
Speaker 1: We'll start with you on this. What do you got.
Speaker 3: Iowa State to advance? Maybe maybe South Dakota State. If
Speaker 3: you're looking to play and you're playing for the first half,
Speaker 3: they might be able to hang for a half or so.
Speaker 3: I saw them playing the title game. Not a bad team.
Speaker 2: Todd probably has more on them than I do, but
Speaker 2: Iowa State would advance. Don't expect an upset here, Dotty.
Speaker 5: By the way, just before we go on to South
Speaker 5: Dakota State, Drake crushed on Nevada in the preseason, a
Speaker 5: good Nevada team, so that's the other Drake's good. So
Speaker 5: that's a scary, you know game again. But anyways, what
Speaker 5: you're saying now in South Dakota State against Iowa State,
Speaker 5: obviously I think Iowa.
Speaker 4: State is going to advance.
Speaker 5: I mean South Dakota State played some top one hundred
Speaker 5: teams early in the season. Kansas State, they got drilled
Speaker 5: UCF they played him tough on a neutral and George Mason,
Speaker 5: who's ninety six, they played tough on a neutral. But
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, Iowa State's just gonna just suffocate them.
Speaker 5: So you know a lot of times also as far
Speaker 5: as on a point spread basis, what's the point spread
Speaker 5: in this game?
Speaker 4: Sixteen and a half?
Speaker 5: Okay, if you're going to take a big favorite in
Speaker 5: a point spread, probably better to take a defensive team
Speaker 5: like Iowa State in the sense that they're going to
Speaker 5: try to suffocate the other team and not score a lot,
Speaker 5: and you might have a better chance of covering a
Speaker 5: bigger number than maybe like an offensive team that's like
Speaker 5: a twenty two point favorite doesn't care at the end
Speaker 5: or something like that. You know, to me, I feel
Speaker 5: like you have a little more value there, but maybe
Speaker 5: it maybe I'm wrong about it.
Speaker 1: Just to clarify, you're staying a team like Iowa State,
Speaker 1: you're saying the favorite to cover in those in that pertenies.
Speaker 4: You're going to take.
Speaker 5: If you're going to take a favorite at a big
Speaker 5: number sixteen, sixteen and a half, I.
Speaker 4: Think it is.
Speaker 5: The nice thing about Iowa stated their strength is the
Speaker 5: other team can't score, so you can have like eight
Speaker 5: minute swaths of time where the other team doesn't score
Speaker 5: and you can you know, possibly roll up a big
Speaker 5: number and then even at the end, they're not going
Speaker 5: to necessarily let off the gas with their defense.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's just some think about so so.
Speaker 3: They don't score, they don't score the basketball, because yesterday
Speaker 3: I heard on that bracketology show a lot of teams
Speaker 3: that could score the basketball as opposed to teams that
Speaker 3: couldn't score the basketball.
Speaker 1: Who started? Who started?
Speaker 5: If you're in the offensive coordinators room, some of those
Speaker 5: guys can score the basketball.
Speaker 1: Hey where a steel? When your Stiller's got Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: and Justin Field? Didn't that improve their quarterback room in
Speaker 1: the building? Didn't that improve it?
Speaker 4: I like, I like our room. I think our room
Speaker 4: is looking real nice in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, who started to score of the basketball? Thing?
Speaker 1: Billis not sure? Just drives me nuts.
Speaker 2: You're ll have to get research on that.
Speaker 1: To score the basketball? Did you have anything? Iowa States
Speaker 1: out to go to State Wilton, we were to do
Speaker 1: that anything?
Speaker 3: Oh, I would say, if you're going to play South
Speaker 3: Dakota State, maybe playing first half they can hang for
Speaker 3: a little bit, But South Dakota.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have a tone on this.
Speaker 1: All right, that's the East region. So again, if you're
Speaker 1: in an upset rewarded pool, for instance, maybe take a
Speaker 1: flyer on Drake into ten to seven. Maybe, if you
Speaker 1: like what Will said, take a flyer on Yale in
Speaker 1: a thirteen to four. I know some of these sound crazy,
Speaker 1: but if you're trying to win a pool like that,
Speaker 1: you gotta do stuff like that. So Yale beating you.
Speaker 5: Guys like San Diego State versus Auburn, if two of
Speaker 5: those teams advanced, to me, that is just going to
Speaker 5: be a war of a game.
Speaker 1: Are you as high this year on San Diego State
Speaker 1: as you were last year?
Speaker 4: A touch lower? I don't think there's good as last.
Speaker 1: Year A touch lower. Okay, we'll get into everybody's elite
Speaker 1: a coming up, including mine. That's the East. Winner of
Speaker 1: the East bracket takes on the winner of the West
Speaker 1: bracket Thursday in Charlotte, North Carolina will take on the
Speaker 1: winner of the play in game, or as they like
Speaker 1: to call it, the first four game between Howard and Wagner.
Speaker 1: The Bison won the MEAC. Bryce Harris leads their team
Speaker 1: in points per game, rebounds per game, steels per game.
Speaker 1: They also have a twenty six year old player on
Speaker 1: that team. What's my man's name. It's just gaming me now,
Speaker 1: Seth Towns Towns.
Speaker 4: It was just to be in the IVY League.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he played where he played at Harvard and then
Speaker 1: Ohio State and now at Howard.
Speaker 4: Wagner is really tough to watch.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've ever watched a Wagner game,
Speaker 5: but it is really tough to watch.
Speaker 1: Wagner was twenty to one to win the Northeast Tournament
Speaker 1: and they did so. Yeah. One of the Wagner is
Speaker 1: like sixteen and fifteen on the season they were.
Speaker 4: They're a slow down team.
Speaker 5: They're like a complete slow down team and they can't
Speaker 5: score at all, but they play good defense in the
Speaker 5: game is like literally walk it up.
Speaker 4: It's exactly. It's just hard to watch.
Speaker 1: Howard is a three point favorite in the first play
Speaker 1: in game, the first and the first four against Wagner.
Speaker 1: Would you play that game at all? Howard three point
Speaker 1: favorites over Wagner.
Speaker 4: I don't want to have part of it.
Speaker 3: I've heard Howard's campus is quite the have quite the
Speaker 3: advantage will be a big money line favorite.
Speaker 1: Yes, it would, It absolutely would. Trust me. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: assume you have North Carolina advancing no matter who who wins.
Speaker 1: That I shouldn't assume that since a sixteen be to
Speaker 1: one last year again in the Sea, that.
Speaker 4: Was only because had Purdue.
Speaker 1: That was only because Vezek had Purdue. But he's already firing.
Speaker 1: He already said he had a couple huge money lines
Speaker 1: right already.
Speaker 4: Well why not? Why why not? Why not double down?
Speaker 1: Well, more importantly, why not double down publicly? I think
Speaker 1: is the real key winner of North Carolina versus Howard
Speaker 1: Wagner winner also Thursday and Charlotte, we'll take on the
Speaker 1: winner of the eight to nine game. This is actually
Speaker 1: the game that starts off March Madness Thursday morning. This
Speaker 1: is the first tip between Mississippi State the eight seed
Speaker 1: in Michigan State, Sparty tom Izzo the ninth seed. No surprise, Sparty.
Speaker 1: Actually the lower seed is a tick of a favorite
Speaker 1: in this by a point. Todd, you love tom Izzo
Speaker 1: anything here?
Speaker 5: I love Tom Mizzo, but I have to go against
Speaker 5: him because I like Mississippi State.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 5: This is why my bracket is going to be horrible
Speaker 5: this year. There's no chance I'm gonna do well. I
Speaker 5: took the Mississippi State and I hate having to do it,
Speaker 5: just like in the Drake Wazoo game, I hate having
Speaker 5: to make a pick.
Speaker 4: But I took Mississippi State to advance.
Speaker 3: Really, I'm sure people are gonna pick Michigan State here
Speaker 3: just on reflex, just on the reputation of Izzo in
Speaker 3: that program. I'm with Todd. I'm going to Mississippi State. I
Speaker 3: like that team. I think Mississippi State advances here all right, Friday,
Speaker 3: Mississippi State. Just so you know, they beat Auburn, they
Speaker 3: beat Tennessee. I mean that's not bad, right, then they
Speaker 3: beat Tennessee again. They also beat Wazoo early in the season. Northwestern.
Speaker 3: I mean, this team has some.
Speaker 5: Real wins, and they're they're that kind of real gritty, like,
Speaker 5: you know, just muck it up garbage, you know, kind
Speaker 5: of team that does well in the NCTATE tournament.
Speaker 4: So I'm going with them.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you would bet them preflop. As a guy
Speaker 1: who doesn't really love pre flop.
Speaker 5: Betting, well, I don't like pre flopping. I don't want
Speaker 5: to go against is. That's the other scary part. But
Speaker 5: you know, I mean again, this is this is I
Speaker 5: hate this bracket because they just made all the teams
Speaker 5: that I want to go against go against those teams.
Speaker 1: It does suck when that happens. January February is oh,
Speaker 1: we'll see Friday and Spokane. This is actually Spokane in
Speaker 1: the Western region where they belong. Number five. Saint Mary's
Speaker 1: the Gails number twenty in Ken Palm taking on Grand Canyon.
Speaker 1: The Antelopes were twenty nine and four this year, the
Speaker 1: whack regular season and tournament champs. Saint Mary's, though, is
Speaker 1: a what are they a five and a half point favorite?
Speaker 1: An ear Todd. We'll start with you on this.
Speaker 5: I mean, Grand Canyon is going to be a lot
Speaker 5: of people's you know, pick here.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: The Grand Canyon beat San Diego State in the non
Speaker 5: conference early in the year. They also beat a good
Speaker 5: San Francisco team that was seventieth in Ken Palm this year.
Speaker 5: Grand Canyon is for real. Saint Mary's is a team
Speaker 5: I really like. Again, we're in a situation where I
Speaker 5: hate having to pick someone. I picked the upset here
Speaker 5: and took Grand Canyon, you know, but you know, it's
Speaker 5: hard to go against it. Team like Saint Mary's is
Speaker 5: just so well coached and and they're gonna, you know,
Speaker 5: they're gonna play defense, they're gonna play slow. Although just
Speaker 5: to keep in mind, Saint Mary's in the in the
Speaker 5: preseason was not that great. They had five losses in
Speaker 5: the early games. I believe they were three wins and
Speaker 5: five losses and finished twenty six and seven. They lost
Speaker 5: to Utah, Boise State, Xavier, and San Diego State early
Speaker 5: in the season, so maybe they're.
Speaker 4: Not as good. Although late in the year they they
Speaker 4: you know, they won the.
Speaker 5: West Coast Conference Tournament by beating Gonzaga, But I don't know,
Speaker 5: just because of that non conference, you know, scuffling early
Speaker 5: in the year.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm taking Grand Canyon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Saint Mary's did beat Gonzaga, and what I believe
Speaker 1: is the one thousand, four hundred and fifth matchup between
Speaker 1: Saint Mary's and Gonzaga in the West Coast Conference Tournament championship, they.
Speaker 4: Beat him twice this year.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to the Orleans for a tournament,
Speaker 1: Todd and partake it in their burrito bowls?
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I've never had the Brita Bowl, but I
Speaker 5: have sung the.
Speaker 4: Dude, well you ate agreadable.
Speaker 1: That was do the mister bright Side do it again? Real?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't do it. Well, I'm doing it going
Speaker 5: to North Texas?
Speaker 1: Anything Grand can you Saint Mary's will.
Speaker 3: This is in Alan Boston special. He always talks about
Speaker 3: this and drives them crazy. Where they put the two
Speaker 3: teams underrated mid makers and they have one of them
Speaker 3: bump off the other. I certainly wouldn't lay the points here.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't be shocked at Grand Canyon One. It's the old
Speaker 3: what's what's harder? Speeded team up or slow a team down?
Speaker 3: Interesting clash of styles here. I will say Saint Mary's wins,
Speaker 3: but not a lot of confidence. Wouldn't be shocked at
Speaker 3: Grand Canyon One. Would would take the points if anything.
Speaker 3: But I do think Saint Mary's has enough defense to
Speaker 3: advance here.
Speaker 1: Allan Boston is so right about that. And let me
Speaker 1: just say this as we're going through this, is there
Speaker 1: anything more exciting than fucking March madness? By the way,
Speaker 1: like it's so good it's.
Speaker 3: Doesn't even matter looking at my I kept looking at
Speaker 3: my phone for the time, like four point thirty yesterday,
Speaker 3: right hour and a half an hour for twenty two,
Speaker 3: and you get older, your fandom dies down a little
Speaker 3: bit too, At least for me it does. But with
Speaker 3: March madness man, these conference tournaments, the brackets coming out,
Speaker 3: it's something I will never outgrow.
Speaker 1: It was it was I had an ego yesterday to
Speaker 1: win the to win Indian Wells. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you can finish off soccer Requick so I can watch
Speaker 1: Temple because I really wanted Temple to get there, because
Speaker 1: then I would have been this huge story at five
Speaker 1: hundred to one winning their tournament. So she finished it
Speaker 1: right before Tempe, and then Temple got beat up, so
Speaker 1: I ended up watching the Players Championship. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: Scotti Sheffer because I had Scheffler preflop. It was such
Speaker 1: a great day yesterday, tech Scheffler Canela. Sometimes this sports
Speaker 1: betting thing doesn't have to be that hard. But Sheffler,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, get there, so the selection Sunday
Speaker 1: show can start. I don't have to like watch two things.
Speaker 1: What a perfect day, can't wait. Winner of Saint Mary's
Speaker 1: Grand Canyon takes on the winner of Alabama and Charleston,
Speaker 1: also in Spokane on Friday. Alabama's the fourth seed over over.
Speaker 4: Alabama.
Speaker 5: Charleston, by the way, is also a speed up team,
Speaker 5: so they played a speed up team against a speed
Speaker 5: up team. Just to tell you what, I just know
Speaker 5: Charleston's a fast team because I've been watching all year.
Speaker 5: But Charleston happens to be fifty ninth out of three
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty, so in their top seven, you know,
Speaker 5: like top fourteen percent of speedy teams. And we all
Speaker 5: know about Alabama as far as speedy. You know, they're
Speaker 5: ninth overall and speedy teams. Now, that's why the over
Speaker 5: under is absurdly ridiculous at one seventy four. But be
Speaker 5: careful betting that under. I'm telling you, even even I
Speaker 5: know Stevie, who's gonna love to get those first half hunders.
Speaker 5: But be careful with this one because maybe the first
Speaker 5: half maybe could go slow, but they're gonna go fast,
Speaker 5: and Bama can have these games where there's one hundred
Speaker 5: and twenty points in the second half.
Speaker 4: It's obscene.
Speaker 1: One seventy four is by far the highest total in
Speaker 1: the round of sixty four games. There are only two
Speaker 1: other games that even get into the one sixties. That
Speaker 1: would be Oakland, Kentucky at one sixty two and a
Speaker 1: half in Long Beach State in Arizona once. So that's
Speaker 1: how huge, how high that number is. By the way,
Speaker 1: Alabama led the nation in scoring average with over ninety
Speaker 1: points per game and they play no defense whatsoever, Charleston.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're watching the game ten minutes in
Speaker 5: and there's twenty possessions for each team, it's going over, folks.
Speaker 1: What's funny is Charleston is twenty and oh straight up
Speaker 1: when they score eighty points, Alabama will absolutely put that
Speaker 1: to the test. Will Alabama in this game, by the way,
Speaker 1: is favored by nine Any thoughts on the spread?
Speaker 3: Ooh, it's ticked down a little. I like Charleston plus
Speaker 3: the point, very high variance game. So I wouldn't mind
Speaker 3: a sprinkle line on a sprinkle on the money line,
Speaker 3: because like you said, Alabama, they're going to shoot a
Speaker 3: ton of threes.
Speaker 2: It's all rim and three with them. If the threes
Speaker 2: aren't falling like last.
Speaker 3: Year against San Diego State, they could lose to anybody
Speaker 3: and Charleston's gonna shoot a ton of three. So this
Speaker 3: is one of those games where if you just if
Speaker 3: you show me the box score in terms of the
Speaker 3: three pointers, I can tell you who's gonna win. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be shocked if Charleston beats them. I'll go with
Speaker 3: Alabama to advance. But again, this is a high Veria,
Speaker 3: so Charleston plus the points, but Bamo I think will
Speaker 3: get by here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing about that that giant killers characteristics.
Speaker 1: We talk about teams that slow the pace to a grind.
Speaker 1: The other one is a team that just shoots threes
Speaker 1: in volume, right, just out three somebody all right, other
Speaker 1: side of this region Friday in Memphis, number six Clemson
Speaker 1: against number eleven, at least in terms of seeded New Mexico.
Speaker 1: New Mexico started the weekend as one of Lonordi's last
Speaker 1: four out. They end up winning the Mountain West Tournament champs,
Speaker 1: so the committee doesn't even get to decide on them.
Speaker 1: They're an auto bid. They end up number twenty three
Speaker 1: and Ken Palm but an eleven seed and they're a
Speaker 1: two and a half point favorite.
Speaker 5: Toddy, I mean I took I took Clemson. I just
Speaker 5: I was really high on Clemson this year and now
Speaker 5: at the end of the year they kind of like
Speaker 5: crap the bed a bit Clemson, but I really liked
Speaker 5: the team. I mean, they lost three of their last
Speaker 5: four games, Notre Dame, Wake Forest and Boston College and
Speaker 5: the tournament.
Speaker 4: But maybe that wakes them up here.
Speaker 5: New Mexico is the kind of team they're they're they're
Speaker 5: a run and gun team, and I don't like that
Speaker 5: kind of team in the tournament, I you know, because
Speaker 5: things tend to slow down, and I just you know,
Speaker 5: I've New Mexico is just incredibly offensively talented. I mean,
Speaker 5: they've got a really you know, House Dent, you know,
Speaker 5: Junior Joe. So they got a lot of guys who
Speaker 5: can play and put the ball in the basket. But
Speaker 5: Clemson is going to probably try to slow them down.
Speaker 5: And that's why I think I'm gonna I'm gonna take
Speaker 5: Clemson here, uh to get through as far as and
Speaker 5: the points were, Oh, Clemson is the dog. I would
Speaker 5: I would consider.
Speaker 4: Playing that pregame Clemson plus two. I just think Clemson's
Speaker 4: you know, I just think they're better.
Speaker 1: We'll just text to us, Okay, well, well can I
Speaker 1: read you? Can I read your text? Sure? All right?
Speaker 1: Will just text about because I drank way too much water?
Speaker 1: Can I run to the bathroom for thirty seconds after
Speaker 1: I talk about this game. Lol. No, but you can
Speaker 1: after the next four games, because that'll be the end
Speaker 1: of this region. How about that? Can we get through it?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 5: See me, what were you going to do if we
Speaker 5: said if we said no, you're going to be for cups?
Speaker 2: I'm looking around for cups?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well just give Clemson New Mexico.
Speaker 2: This is great content. I think New Mexico beats him.
Speaker 2: I like their guards.
Speaker 3: You always worry about these Mountain West teams because, I mean,
Speaker 3: they haven't done well in the tournament. And I think
Speaker 3: there's a reason they haven't done well in the tournament.
Speaker 3: So many of those schools are are located in altitude
Speaker 3: and you get in a tournament setting and that's just
Speaker 3: not the case.
Speaker 2: They don't have that advantage. Clemson.
Speaker 3: I like this team all year, but that was a
Speaker 3: really troubling performance in the conference tournament against a really
Speaker 3: shaky Boston College team in Boston College just buried them.
Speaker 3: So I'll go with New Mexico here. It's interesting if
Speaker 3: they didn't win their conference tournament, New Mexico, they weren't
Speaker 3: getting in. I mean they were they squeaked in just
Speaker 3: with the with the automatic bids, so that that was interesting.
Speaker 3: I think they're underseed. How New Mexico and Dukine are
Speaker 3: on the same seed line is ridiculous to me. I
Speaker 3: think what you said, New Mexico's in the twenties and
Speaker 3: duknes and in the eighties eleven at both levels.
Speaker 2: But I'll pick New Mexico here, all right, all.
Speaker 1: Right, well, go go to the bath. That's fine, Will Will.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done this on his podcast, but sure,
Speaker 1: go pee in the middle of mine, all right. Toddy
Speaker 1: Winner of Clemson New Mexico, also Friday in Memphis, takes
Speaker 1: on the winner of the three to fourteen game between
Speaker 1: Baylor and Colegate. Baylor number fourteen in campon the only
Speaker 1: D one team with six players that averaged ten points
Speaker 1: per game. Colegate Patriot League Tournament champs. Raiders won seventeen
Speaker 1: of their last eighteen. Have never won a tournament game ever,
Speaker 1: and I doubt they do here.
Speaker 4: You agree, yeah, because they're not good.
Speaker 5: The top one hundred teams that they played they played
Speaker 5: Illinois crushed them, Arizona crushed them.
Speaker 4: Yale is eighty fourth overall.
Speaker 5: They beat him pretty nicely, and Syracuse they had a
Speaker 5: somewhat close game against but they lost that too. I
Speaker 5: don't think they're gonna they're gonna have much in the
Speaker 5: way of resistance against Baylor. As far as the point
Speaker 5: spread goes, it's thirteen and a half, I'll just say
Speaker 5: I'm I'm not interested in that, but I think Baylor advances.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do the last two games of this
Speaker 1: region seven to ten games Thursday. Oh, no, Will's back Will.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on Baylor? Oh, he's putting on his headphones.
Speaker 1: This is very exciting. That was very quick, Well done,
Speaker 1: Well done. Any thoughts on Baylor, colegate? I assume you're
Speaker 1: advancing Baylor spread his thirteen and a half? Any thoughts here?
Speaker 3: I like Baylor minus the points. If there was an
Speaker 3: alternate line, I would take Baylor. I could see Baylor
Speaker 3: winning this game by twenty five thirty points. This is
Speaker 3: not a vintage Colgate team. They're just they're not as
Speaker 3: good on offense as they've been in past years. I
Speaker 3: think there obviously, it's going to be a huge gap
Speaker 3: in terms of the athleticism. I think Baylor absolutely rolls here.
Speaker 1: Do you wash your hands after you went by the way?
Speaker 1: Next question, Thursday and Sola.
Speaker 5: I saw something on Twitter where the where a guy
Speaker 5: just bet at all money lines the last two years
Speaker 5: and was up like eleven units one year and nineteen
Speaker 5: units the other year. But you bet every single money
Speaker 5: line my favorite or dog, no dog, I'm sorry, every
Speaker 5: dog money line in the entire conment.
Speaker 4: And ended up winning pretty nicely. It's kind of interesting idea.
Speaker 1: This is, I mean again, this is like shit happens
Speaker 1: in the first to second rounds.
Speaker 3: Especially in the past two years. I mean there was
Speaker 3: a one and two that lost just last year. I
Speaker 3: mean that's going to carry a lot of loser. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's that's going to do a lot of long That's true.
Speaker 3: Top in my head what those.
Speaker 2: Money lines were. But printing on the money line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I didn't think that want, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get what was the Purdue Fairly Dickinson money line?
Speaker 1: We know the Purdue side.
Speaker 5: Rights forty five hundred was probably plus twenty two thousand.
Speaker 1: Maybe twenty eight twenty somewhere in the twenties.
Speaker 2: Got in the twenties for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, last year in this region seven to
Speaker 1: ten game between Dayton and Nevada with Nevada as the
Speaker 1: ten seed, a tick of a favorite Salt Lake City
Speaker 1: on Thursday.
Speaker 5: That this is just another of the endless games where
Speaker 5: I like both of these teams and I don't want
Speaker 5: to have to pick against either of them, and it's
Speaker 5: just aggravating as hell that they they did this to
Speaker 5: us this year. Nevada is a really good defensive team.
Speaker 5: You know, in the non conference they beat some pretty
Speaker 5: decent teams. They also have that kid Lucas who used
Speaker 5: to be on Oregon State. If you remember, he shot
Speaker 5: them like almost single handedly into the Elite eight that
Speaker 5: one year when Oregon State was like a forty two
Speaker 5: seed or something, and you know, somehow that kid just
Speaker 5: made every single three pointer.
Speaker 4: He's on Nevada. They've got you know, black shirt.
Speaker 5: They've got a lot of defense as well, and I
Speaker 5: like again, you know, I like that gritty kind of
Speaker 5: defensive style. The problem is Dayton is kind of similar
Speaker 5: to them, and although Dayton is not as defensive as
Speaker 5: they usually are, they're actually a bettery offensive team than
Speaker 5: they typically are. Not as good on defense, this year,
Speaker 5: they still have that Dayton grit to them. So I
Speaker 5: hate having to pick this game. I'm gonna take Nevada.
Speaker 4: But I don't like it.
Speaker 1: You hate this bracket.
Speaker 4: You hate it, I hate it, will hate.
Speaker 2: It nothing, I bet. But I would go with Daton.
Speaker 2: It's interesting they had to really port endto the season.
Speaker 2: I think like this. Sometimes you can get in and.
Speaker 3: Just recharge your batteries, fresh start your zero and zero
Speaker 3: and I just think, look a toss up game for
Speaker 3: a reason. But I think Holmes will be the best
Speaker 3: player on the court.
Speaker 2: You do worry about Dayton's depth, which they don't have
Speaker 2: a lot of.
Speaker 3: It probably doesn't hurt of them, especially in the first
Speaker 3: game of the tournament. I'll go with just because they
Speaker 3: have Holmes. I think they're the slightly better team.
Speaker 2: I'll go with Dayton here all.
Speaker 1: Right, rounding out this region. The winner of that game
Speaker 1: day Nevada, when Nevada is a one point favorite, takes
Speaker 1: on the winner of this game Thursday in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1: The two seed Arizona Wildcats sixth and Ken Palm. But
Speaker 1: Arizona has not reached the Final four since two thousand
Speaker 1: and one. I would not have if.
Speaker 4: There's a two.
Speaker 5: If there's a two that's going out, this is the one.
Speaker 5: Long Beach State has some players folks, and they beat Irvine,
Speaker 5: which is a good team, in the finals of their tournament.
Speaker 5: I watched that game start to finish, and I've watched
Speaker 5: other Long Beach days.
Speaker 4: They have some talent on this team. Now.
Speaker 5: Granted, obviously Arizona's got way more talent all over the place,
Speaker 5: but I would not be shocked. Long Beach State coach
Speaker 5: was five before the conference tournament and they ended up
Speaker 5: winning the conference tournament. So maybe they keep the crazy
Speaker 5: run alive. But I'm telling you they have some talent
Speaker 5: on the team. It's not like they're devoid of town
Speaker 5: certainly offensively. And you know, I hate Arizona. I always
Speaker 5: hate Arizona in the tournament, and I don't have any
Speaker 5: other reason to like them this year. I think they
Speaker 5: are typical Arizona soft, as you know Charman.
Speaker 1: Charmon nice nineteen seventies reference there for that campaign. You
Speaker 1: don't like Tommy Lloyd as a coach either, I would
Speaker 1: assume no, Yeah, I hate him Long Beach State. By
Speaker 1: the way, what Todd was referring to Long Beach State
Speaker 1: was eleven to one to win the Big West Tournament.
Speaker 1: The reason they were that long they had lost five
Speaker 1: games in a row before the tournament, so their head coach,
Speaker 1: Dan Monson was essentially fired, right. They just agreed, you'll
Speaker 1: just coach it out and then they haven't lost since.
Speaker 1: So there it is. Arizona is still a massive favorite
Speaker 1: in this game twenty and a half points. Will, Are
Speaker 1: you calling it out right upside air? No?
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't lay.
Speaker 3: Arizona can be They're as up and down as they are.
Speaker 3: The best version of them can be scary.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen enough of Long Beach to know like
Speaker 2: their pace, and you know, if you're going to try
Speaker 2: to run with Arizona.
Speaker 3: That can be shaky. Todd liking them keeps me off
Speaker 3: Arizona here, but no play for me either way. Arizona wins,
Speaker 3: all right, man?
Speaker 4: I agree with Will. They could lose by thirty two easily.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying they have some talent, you know.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the other side of the of the
Speaker 1: bracket South Region Friday in Memphis. Number one seed A Houston,
Speaker 1: the second overall number one seed, allowed the fewest points
Speaker 1: in D one per game, fifty seven point zero points
Speaker 1: per game they allowed. They're taking on the sixteen seed
Speaker 1: Longwood Lancers, who won the Big South Tournament as thirteen
Speaker 1: to one pre flop long shots. Houston's a massive favorite here.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about Houston in general, Todd,
Speaker 1: but would you lay the points here with Houston.
Speaker 5: I'm not as high on Houston as I've been high
Speaker 5: on them in the past, although it is the same
Speaker 5: kind of Houston team. And again, these kind of teams
Speaker 5: that stifle the other team's offense, to me, are better bets.
Speaker 5: If you're gonna lay the big number, I'm not going
Speaker 5: going to lay it. Longwood did not play anybody besides
Speaker 5: Dayton in the top one hundred this entire year, and
Speaker 5: they lost. You know, they're not exactly good Longwood. I
Speaker 5: mean they're one hundred and fifty seventh overall. I mean
Speaker 5: I could see you know, Houston winning, you know, like
Speaker 5: seventy to thirty seven or some nonsense like that.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I would be interested in a long a
Speaker 3: Longwood team total under. I don't like this Houston team,
Speaker 3: but coming off that dismal performance Saturday in the Big
Speaker 3: twelve title game, you're gonna get the folkies.
Speaker 2: I think, in a bad mood, I lay it here
Speaker 2: with Houston. I think they roll. I don't know how
Speaker 2: long would score.
Speaker 4: So Knny, that's a great idea, Willy. That the team total.
Speaker 4: I love your idea.
Speaker 5: They're Willy, the team total, which will probably be sixty
Speaker 5: four minus twelve. It'll probably be in the fifth two
Speaker 5: ish range, and so you know, good luck getting to
Speaker 5: fifty two Longwood.
Speaker 1: It's really true. I mean again, Houston allowing fifty seven
Speaker 1: points per game against you know, as an average. Now
Speaker 1: they're taking on Longwood. So that would be an interesting bet.
Speaker 1: Houston twenty four point favorites in that game. By the way,
Speaker 1: winner of that, assuming it's Houston, I'm gonna play the
Speaker 1: winner of the Nebraska Texas A and M game, which
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the line here and it's a pick them.
Speaker 1: Nebraska is the ac Texas A and M is the
Speaker 1: ninth seed. Nebraska remains the only Power five school to
Speaker 1: never ever win an NCAA tournament game. And Texas A
Speaker 1: and M, what can you say about them? Seventeen point
Speaker 1: two second chance points per game. That's the most in
Speaker 1: D one. This is in Memphis on Friday. Will any
Speaker 1: thoughts here?
Speaker 2: No, this is a game I really don't want to part.
Speaker 2: This could be a good undergame. Sen here going through
Speaker 2: my noes. You said South Carolina, A and M.
Speaker 1: Right, Nebraska, Oh, Nebraska against ATAM.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Nebraska, am oh. I actually like Nebraska in
Speaker 3: this game. I don't think they've ever won a tournament game.
Speaker 3: This is gonna be their first one. I think I
Speaker 3: like this Nebraska team that was a bad second half
Speaker 3: the other day against Illinois. But I think this team
Speaker 3: is sneaky because they're not a blue blood. They don't
Speaker 3: have the reputation.
Speaker 2: But again, I'm sure Todd will probably say, hey, these
Speaker 2: are two teams you want to bet on because A.
Speaker 5: And M.
Speaker 2: Has been a little bit of an underrated team. They
Speaker 2: just can't shoot enough their numbers and they had a
Speaker 2: really good first half against Florida before they fell apart.
Speaker 2: I'll go with Nebraska. I just think they have more
Speaker 2: offense here, Dotty, before I.
Speaker 5: Get to that, just as a quick reference to what
Speaker 5: we were talking about with Houston, Louisiana, Monroe was two
Speaker 5: ninety six. They got thirty one, Corpus christy one seventy
Speaker 5: eight got fifty, Stetson two eighteen got forty eight, Towson
Speaker 5: one forty seven, got forty nine, Montana one fifty eight
Speaker 5: got forty four, and Rice two thirty got thirty nine.
Speaker 5: So there's no reason to think I think that Euston
Speaker 5: can't hold long Wood, you know, to less than fifty
Speaker 5: bit just based on that.
Speaker 4: But anyways, back to Texas A and M and Nebraska.
Speaker 5: Will he predicted what I would say exactly, and it
Speaker 5: is that I don't like to I like both of
Speaker 5: these teams, and I hate the fact that they're playing
Speaker 5: each other. I'm just going to take the toe Monauga
Speaker 5: factor and go with Nebraska. The little Asian guard on
Speaker 5: Nebraska is just I don't even know how he gets
Speaker 5: a shot off, but somehow he does, and he makes
Speaker 5: big shots. They've got a big guy, I think his
Speaker 5: name is Mask, who's also like really clutch, and Nebraska's
Speaker 5: just got an overall really good offensive team. They've been
Speaker 5: kind of underrated and I do like And the thing
Speaker 5: is I like Texas A and M too, so it's
Speaker 5: kind of a bummer that I have to pick someone,
Speaker 5: but I'll pick Nebraska.
Speaker 1: Tobanaga, just for the record, is Japanese tot not just Asian.
Speaker 4: Asian. I said Asian, I know, but I said Asian,
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: But he's Japanese.
Speaker 4: I just want to point out its Ja Japan, not
Speaker 4: in Asia.
Speaker 1: No, it is. But that's what's the equivalent of saying
Speaker 1: someone is African. He's probably name his country.
Speaker 2: Right. So we got fifty one and a half at
Speaker 2: DraftKings for team total for Longwood.
Speaker 1: Fifty one and a half. If you bet the over
Speaker 1: on that, you've got balls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's too high. Yeah, all right, I
Speaker 2: think that'll close in the forties to forty.
Speaker 5: By the way, some places have first half unders. I
Speaker 5: know Draft Kings sometimes has first half unders team totals.
Speaker 4: You might want to look at that one. You know,
Speaker 4: that one might be better, all right?
Speaker 1: Friday in Brooklyn, number five to twelve game between Wisconsin
Speaker 1: and j M You. Wisconsin is seventeenth and Ken Palm
Speaker 1: came close to winning the Big Ten Tournament, couldn't quite
Speaker 1: get there. James Madison thirty one in three the Duke
Speaker 1: Sunbelt Tournament champs, tied for first place most in D
Speaker 1: one with thirty one wins. Wisconsin is a what are
Speaker 1: they in this game? In terms of a favorite? What
Speaker 1: are they? Five and a half?
Speaker 4: Half, five and a half?
Speaker 1: What do you like? Well?
Speaker 5: By the way, James James Madison's going to be the darling,
Speaker 5: but just before, you know, maybe slow your rule just
Speaker 5: a bit. They did beat Michigan State in overtime in
Speaker 5: the first game of the year and then never face
Speaker 5: the top one hundred team the rest of the year
Speaker 5: except Appalachian State, which they played twice and lost both
Speaker 5: home and away. So maybe JMU is not as great
Speaker 5: as everyone is going to be. You know, you know
Speaker 5: everyone's going to be picking JMU. I am going to
Speaker 5: go opposite of that and pick Wisconsin to go through here.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to go with the sexy JMU pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree James Madison a little too trendy here.
Speaker 3: I like the way Wisconsin's played. They shot the ball
Speaker 3: much better. They had that horrible slump in February where
Speaker 3: they lost I think all but one game. Wisconsin just
Speaker 3: got a better team again, two teams I was looking
Speaker 3: to bet on, but they put them against each other.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't lay the points. I'd take you before I
Speaker 2: lay it, but I'll go with the favorite too.
Speaker 1: Advance winner of Wisconsin, James Madison, takes on the winner
Speaker 1: of the four to thirteen game Friday in Brooklyn as well.
Speaker 1: Duke and the Catamounts of Vermont twenty eight and six.
Speaker 1: Vermont was America East Tournament champs. Since January first, they
Speaker 1: are nineteen and one straight up. Duke's a twelve point favorite,
Speaker 1: though Todd, you.
Speaker 5: Know, I don't think this is as good as Vermont.
Speaker 5: Vermont is always like the Darling.
Speaker 4: If you remember a.
Speaker 5: Number of years that they either pulled an upset or
Speaker 5: played really tough against people, and they typically have that.
Speaker 5: They haven't really played anybody this year. They played Bradley lost,
Speaker 5: and they played Virginia Tech and got blown out. Those
Speaker 5: are the only top one hundred. They beat Charleston, who's
Speaker 5: ninety eight. But I will watch them a couple of times,
Speaker 5: and they're just they're not to me. They're just not overwhelming,
Speaker 5: and they're certainly not that good on offense. I don't
Speaker 5: think they have enough to be a vintage Vermont team
Speaker 5: to beat Duke.
Speaker 4: So I'll go with Duke going through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll pick Duke to win.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm doing this too much where I
Speaker 3: picked the underdog to cover but the favorite to advance.
Speaker 2: But that's how I feel about the game.
Speaker 3: Vermont has components to make this close. They play slow,
Speaker 3: they play good defense, they'll muck the game up. Like
Speaker 3: Todd said, Vermont just doesn't have enough firepower to actually
Speaker 3: pull off the upset. I would look at an under
Speaker 3: two maybe a Vermont team total, and I just don't
Speaker 3: know that Vermont to be able to score enough in
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 4: So maybe first half, Willie, Right, would you think will
Speaker 4: first half would be better than the game, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially, I mean you're in twelve that if you're
Speaker 3: around the spread, who knows what the fouls at the end.
Speaker 3: So again, I just don't know that Vermont can score
Speaker 3: enough to actually win the game. Duke's gonna win year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the other staple of this. In this bracket,
Speaker 1: you were saying, like, you know, teams that are playing
Speaker 1: each other that you would have liked to have had separated.
Speaker 1: But the Vermonts and Colgates of the world, right, some
Speaker 1: would be upset candidates in previous years just don't have
Speaker 1: the makeup this year. That would be Yeah, let's go
Speaker 1: to the other half of this bracket Thursday in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: In Pittsburgh, Toddy, are you going to these numbers?
Speaker 4: I was looking at it. There's actually four gains. But
Speaker 4: then the problem is it's hard to watch the other
Speaker 4: games if you're if you're at the venue. But there
Speaker 4: are four games on Thursday. I was thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Well, here are two of them. Number six, Texas Tech
Speaker 1: in this region, twenty fourth in Ken Palm against the
Speaker 1: eleven seeded wolf Pack of NC State, who won the
Speaker 1: a CEC tournament. As we mentioned as one hundred to
Speaker 1: one long shots, first time they've won the ACC since
Speaker 1: nineteen hundred and eighty and seven. But Texas Tech remains
Speaker 1: a favorite here in this game, Toddy, any thoughts here?
Speaker 1: What's Texas Tech a five and a half point favorite? Yes? Five?
Speaker 5: I took Texas Tech because you know, NC State had
Speaker 5: the rags to riches ACC tournament. I don't like those
Speaker 5: kind of teams, you know that they just you know,
Speaker 5: shot their wads so to speak, in the in their
Speaker 5: conference tournament. And Texas Tech that's a serious team. So
Speaker 5: I just I don't think NC State is going to
Speaker 5: be able to hang with Texas Techa. I have Texas
Speaker 5: Tech to move on. Just you know, Texas Tech, they
Speaker 5: play in a pre freaking tough conference. They beat Baylor,
Speaker 5: they beat I mean there, this is a serious team
Speaker 5: to beat.
Speaker 2: Texas you know, yep, I don't like.
Speaker 3: I don't like these teams that won their conference tournament
Speaker 3: just in general, especially like that was their super Bowl.
Speaker 3: They beat North Carolina to win the ACC tournament, like
Speaker 3: you said, the first time in twenty something years.
Speaker 2: So I would expect Texas Tech to advance here, all right.
Speaker 1: Winner of that game takes on the winner of the
Speaker 1: three to fourteen between Kentucky. Curious, So where you guys
Speaker 1: come down on Kentucky Forty one point two percent from
Speaker 1: three point range this year for Kentucky, that's the best
Speaker 1: in D one sixty first NCAA appearance, by the way,
Speaker 1: the most all time. Oakland Golden Grizzlies the fourteen seed
Speaker 1: to where they were the Horizon League Tournament champs. They
Speaker 1: haven't been in the Big Dance since twenty eleven. They
Speaker 1: win a lot of close games, eight and one straight
Speaker 1: up in games decided by five points or fewer, but
Speaker 1: that obviously against a different level of competition. Kentucky's a
Speaker 1: huge favorite here. They're also a big in vogue pick
Speaker 1: from a lot of people to go far. What do
Speaker 1: you think about this game? By the way, they're fourteen points,
Speaker 1: they're two touchdown favorites in this game against Oakland. What
Speaker 1: do you think about this game, Todd? And then what
Speaker 1: do you think about Kentucky in general?
Speaker 5: I don't like Kentucky to go far. Yes, they're incredible
Speaker 5: on offense, but they are an abombing nation on defense.
Speaker 5: So these are not the kind of teams I like
Speaker 5: in the NCAA tournament running gun teams. The game will
Speaker 5: slow down and they will find themselves in a real
Speaker 5: battle and they're just to me, they're just primed for
Speaker 5: getting knocked out, having a bad three point shooting night
Speaker 5: in one of these venues that they never play in
Speaker 5: that happens. You know, obviously they're very predicated, like you
Speaker 5: just said, on hitting the three point shot, and you know,
Speaker 5: this is the kind of situation where they find themselves
Speaker 5: in a weird arena and they can't hit the bard
Speaker 5: side of a barn.
Speaker 4: The game gets slowed down. Kentucky.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't I mean Oakland to me, if you were
Speaker 5: going to play one of these, you know, crazy upsets,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be too too upset with Oakland.
Speaker 4: Oakland's not a terrible.
Speaker 5: Team, you know, and they've played They beat Xavier, which
Speaker 5: is kind of like a Kentucky light. Xavier is another
Speaker 5: like run and gun kind of team, so they have
Speaker 5: been able to beat a team like that.
Speaker 4: Right State is in their conference. They beat Right State.
Speaker 5: Right State is another all offense, no defense team. So
Speaker 5: you know it wouldn't shock me. I don't have Kentucky
Speaker 5: going far, and you know I would be I wouldn't
Speaker 5: be shocked if Oakland pulled the upset.
Speaker 1: If I asked you what team or teams you feel
Speaker 1: like has the widest range of outcomes in the Big
Speaker 1: Dance that a Kentucky and Arizona, you said, yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: because remember last year. Remember Fau's first round game was
Speaker 1: against Memphis and we were kind of saying that about
Speaker 1: Memphis last year. So the Kentucky and Arizona, how would
Speaker 1: you answer that, Todd?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't disagree with that.
Speaker 5: It's just when you have these offensive teams like that,
Speaker 5: you know, anything can go wrong, and then of course,
Speaker 5: if they're hot, anything can go right.
Speaker 1: So you know, do you think that about Gonzaga as well?
Speaker 1: Because that was an answer that I was given when
Speaker 1: I asked that last week.
Speaker 2: Not a bad one, huh.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not too high on Gonzaga this year anyway, So.
Speaker 1: I don't will any thoughts on this game.
Speaker 3: Kentucky Oakum, if we're doing the old NFL megapod game,
Speaker 3: you want no part of. This might be one of them,
Speaker 3: because like we want to be shocked if Kentucky got
Speaker 3: upset because there's so many highs and lows, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: want to be shocked. If if you look at this
Speaker 3: score six minutes in and it's twenty six to eleven
Speaker 3: or something, I wouldn't be shocked either.
Speaker 2: So high variance game nothing for me.
Speaker 1: I'll ask the other megapod question at the end of
Speaker 1: this last two last two brackets in this region seven
Speaker 1: to ten game between Florida and the winner of Boise
Speaker 1: State Colorado. So I guess we have talked about the
Speaker 1: play in game or the first four between our boy
Speaker 1: Tyson Deaganheart and Boise State Toddy against Colorado. Colorado is
Speaker 1: the three point favorite though in this uh first four
Speaker 1: game and the first four game is on the first night. Yes, no,
Speaker 1: it's on the second night of the first fours Colorado State.
Speaker 1: Now I two and a half boys favorite. Any thoughts
Speaker 1: on that game?
Speaker 4: I mean, Boise is one of my favorite teams. As
Speaker 4: everyone knows.
Speaker 5: I love Boise, I love how I love their style
Speaker 5: of just you know they have. They're just gonna play
Speaker 5: like Cyo basketball. You know it's gonna be you know,
Speaker 5: Daigan Hard who can't jump and just does everything right.
Speaker 5: They're not gonna make mistakes. They're gonna play defense. They're
Speaker 5: gonna play defense. I can promise you that Boise will
Speaker 5: play defense. I mean, they're twenty ninth overall in ken
Speaker 5: Palm and defense.
Speaker 4: So you know, Colorado. I haven't watched that much Colorado.
Speaker 5: I know they're pretty good, but I just think Boise
Speaker 5: Boise is kind of built for NCAA tournament games. So
Speaker 5: to me, you know, half court Boise, I'll take Boise.
Speaker 5: And by the way, I picked them to upset Florida.
Speaker 1: Oh really, Okay, you're not the first to say. We
Speaker 1: had Michael Montisano on a Numbers game this monk. He
Speaker 1: thought Colorado would win this and then beat Florida as well.
Speaker 3: Will Colorado is interesting because they have legit NBA talent.
Speaker 3: They've got I think three guys that are going to
Speaker 3: play in the NBA, A pretty high pick in Williams.
Speaker 3: But they're interesting because they're so good at home and
Speaker 3: they're so bad away from home, and like, it's not
Speaker 3: a home game, it's not a road game, So what
Speaker 3: do you do with them in a neutral setting. I
Speaker 3: do think they have enough talent to beat Boise. I
Speaker 3: think they rightfully favorite. I just think they're bigger than
Speaker 3: Boise too.
Speaker 2: I think they'll rebound them and that'll.
Speaker 3: Set up an interesting Colorado Florida game. So I do
Speaker 3: like Colorado to beat Bois here. Yeah, by the way,
Speaker 3: I picked.
Speaker 2: Florida in Boise too. Or Florida and Colorado are we
Speaker 2: saving that?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not gonna say it. Just do you feel
Speaker 1: like whoever you said you like Colorado and that game,
Speaker 1: you feel like they beat Florida or not.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Florida. I hate the fact that
Speaker 2: they lost their big guy, but I really like this
Speaker 2: Florida team. I love their guards, and I love Golden
Speaker 2: as a coach.
Speaker 1: Whoever Florida plays that will be Friday in Indianapolis and
Speaker 1: they will play the winner of this game at Friday
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. The number two fifteen game is the last
Speaker 1: bracket in the region Mark that is the two seed.
Speaker 1: The Hilltoppers of Western Kentucky are the fifteen seed the
Speaker 1: Conference USA Tournament champs. Remember with Marquette, though Tyler Coolek
Speaker 1: and that oblique injury which he sustained against Providence about
Speaker 1: a month ago, has not played since. Right has not
Speaker 1: played since. They thought he was gonna maybe had a
Speaker 1: chance to play in the Conference Tournament championship yesterday didn't happen.
Speaker 1: So that's a big question mark. But Marquette is a
Speaker 1: huge favorite here, Todd.
Speaker 5: Just so you know, Western Kentucky is the number one
Speaker 5: pace team in all of college basketball three hundred and
Speaker 5: a billion teams. They are the fastest team in all
Speaker 5: of college basketball. Marquette is ninety one, which is in
Speaker 5: the top you know, say quarter. So they're pretty fast too.
Speaker 5: And that's probably why I didn't look at what the
Speaker 5: over under is here. What's the over under in this
Speaker 5: game Marquette. Oh, it's one hundred and fifty seven. That's
Speaker 5: why it's one hundred and fifty seven because it's gonna
Speaker 5: be up and down in this game. So that would
Speaker 5: be interesting, especially in the second half if the game
Speaker 5: gets out of hand. Westernentky the problem with them is
Speaker 5: they're just, you know, skittish. The miss free throws, and
Speaker 5: I've lost a zillion games on Western Kentucky when they
Speaker 5: screwed me on free throws and stuff like that. I
Speaker 5: don't think they're good enough to beat Marquette. Although I
Speaker 5: do not have Marquette going far. I actually have Boise
Speaker 5: going all the way to the Sweet sixteen to beat Marquette.
Speaker 5: So I'm not real high on Marquette, but I don't
Speaker 5: know if I want to pick them, although fourteen and
Speaker 5: a half seems like such a large amount of points.
Speaker 4: Maybe half, yeah, maybe Western Kentucky first half.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 4: The problem though is also is.
Speaker 5: That Zach game's going to be an up and down game,
Speaker 5: you would think, so you know, with variants, they could
Speaker 5: get blown out.
Speaker 1: To Todd calling a shot with Boise stay right there
Speaker 1: to beat Marquette. By the way, I shouldn't say a
Speaker 1: month ago, but it was last month when Tyler Koleay
Speaker 1: hurt as a bleak. Yes, will your thoughts on this.
Speaker 2: It's the lowest spread of all the two fifteen games
Speaker 2: at fourteen points.
Speaker 3: I don't have them all in front of me, but
Speaker 3: I can't lay it here with with Marquette when their
Speaker 3: injuries and cold. You figure if they have a lead
Speaker 3: second half, they'll get them out of the game and
Speaker 3: just say, hey, we'll get ready for the for the
Speaker 3: second round. I would take the points, not picking Western
Speaker 3: Kentucky on the straight up or anything, so what would
Speaker 3: be a lean.
Speaker 4: Towards the dog.
Speaker 2: But I would expect Market to win. But I'm with Todd,
Speaker 2: I don't have Market going very far here.
Speaker 1: I'm checking all the two fifteen spreads and do to
Speaker 1: do to do? What is Iowa State? Yeah, sixteen and
Speaker 1: a half. This is the shortest. This is the shortest
Speaker 1: of all the two fifteen fourteen at DraftKings down to fourteen. Now, Okay,
Speaker 1: final region. Winner of that region, the South plays the
Speaker 1: winner of the Midwest. Perdue is the number one seed
Speaker 1: either the third overall number one seed. They will play
Speaker 1: the winner of Montana State and Grambling. Montana State the Bobcats.
Speaker 1: They won the Big Sky Tournament at sixteen to one underdogs.
Speaker 1: Grambling won the swack first ever NCAA appearance. That's a
Speaker 1: play in game or first four in game between Montana
Speaker 1: State and Grambley. Any any play on the Montana State
Speaker 1: Grambling game.
Speaker 4: Todd, No, but I don't think Purdue is going to
Speaker 4: lose in the first round this year.
Speaker 1: Okay, there it is stepping out on a limb. By
Speaker 1: the way, Montana State is a three and a half
Speaker 1: point favorite against Grambling. Will any play on that game
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 2: Nothing?
Speaker 5: For me?
Speaker 3: I will probably look to back Purdue that first game,
Speaker 3: because you figure, hey, if anyone's ever going to be
Speaker 3: hyper focused.
Speaker 2: Hyper motivated, they're going to look too to be on
Speaker 2: their best behavior in round one. So that might be
Speaker 2: one where I look the late number for du trying
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 4: They're probably going to be laying thirty five probably or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Perdue trying to do what Virginia did after getting
Speaker 1: beaten by a sixteen seed and winning the national title.
Speaker 1: The next year. Winner of that game, which is Friday
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, Purdue, whoever they play, we'll take on the
Speaker 1: winner of the eight to nine game in Indianapolis. That's
Speaker 1: TCU and Utah State. TCU I say first, they're the
Speaker 1: ninth seed. Utah State is the eighth seed. TCU is
Speaker 1: a three point favorite here.
Speaker 5: However, like State, you like like Utah State, I don't
Speaker 5: like TCU is a little too. They're just a little
Speaker 5: too helter skelter for my for my tastes Utah State.
Speaker 5: You know a lot of times you say guard play
Speaker 5: wins in the NCA torner. They have a they have
Speaker 5: a guard I believe his name is Brown, who's really clutch.
Speaker 5: I like Utah State, you know, they didn't really. I mean,
Speaker 5: they played the Mountain West obviously, that has a bunch
Speaker 5: of really good teams, and they beat a bunch of them.
Speaker 4: New Mexico, San Diego State, Boise State.
Speaker 5: I mean, they did beat a bunch of good teams
Speaker 5: in their own conference, Colorado State. But I just TCU
Speaker 5: to me is just a little too much. They're kind
Speaker 5: of like an Arizona Light in a sense. They're a
Speaker 5: little soft for me, for my taste. So I'll take
Speaker 5: I would take. I mean, if I was gonna bet
Speaker 5: a pregame, I would bet Utah State.
Speaker 4: Pregame as a dog. What do you? What are you getting?
Speaker 4: How many points?
Speaker 1: TCU and now up to a three and a half
Speaker 1: point favorite.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll take Utah State. There may be even first half.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't like TCU.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan Utah State nine and oh straight
Speaker 1: up in games decided by five points or fewer this year, will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought the seating just for the Mountain West
Speaker 3: teams in general was interesting. I mean, they got six
Speaker 3: of them in, but the committee didn't seem to like them.
Speaker 3: I thought they were all trying a little bit lower, lower, higher.
Speaker 3: I was get that confused. They were all seated with
Speaker 3: less respect than I expected them to get. That being said,
Speaker 3: I would take usas state here, TCU great at getting
Speaker 3: to the rim. They're all about transition. But if you
Speaker 3: can slow them down and make them play in the
Speaker 3: half quarter, I think it's a different team.
Speaker 2: So I like UTA State here.
Speaker 1: Conferences with multiple.
Speaker 4: Fatter from the Mountain West beat them in.
Speaker 1: Then non comfortence conferences with multiple bids here. Big twelve
Speaker 1: and SEC both got eight in. The Big ten got six.
Speaker 1: As Will said, the Mountain West got six in, but
Speaker 1: they were not respected by the committee. They got a
Speaker 1: bunch of low seeds, lower than most people anticipated. ACC
Speaker 1: had five, PAC twelve had four. In the final year
Speaker 1: of the Pack twelve, Big East only with three, although three.
Speaker 2: Goods that's just absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: Yea West Coast with two of the A ten with
Speaker 1: two last four in ended up being Boise State, Colorado,
Speaker 1: Virginia and Colorado State. Last four out ended up being Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: Seaton Hall, Indiana State, and Pit with Indiana State having
Speaker 1: the highest net ranking of those at twenty ninth. All right, continuing,
Speaker 1: we're almost done here Thursday in Salt Lake City, number five,
Speaker 1: Gonzaga number twelve. McNeese State the cowboys of McNee state
Speaker 1: Southland Tournament champs. They outscored opponents by eighteen point nine
Speaker 1: points per game this year, the most in D one.
Speaker 1: Good god. And then there's Gonzaga making their twenty fourth
Speaker 1: consecutive tournament as opposed to McNeese State, which is making
Speaker 1: their first appearance in two thousand and two. Gonzaga is
Speaker 1: the favorite here Bye seven Todd.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing.
Speaker 5: Mcneesse didn't play any teams that they only played two
Speaker 5: teams in the top.
Speaker 4: One hundred all year.
Speaker 5: That was VCU when they were eightieth and Louisiana Tech
Speaker 5: in their ninety fifth They played away at VCU and
Speaker 5: they actually one seventy six to sixty five. They played
Speaker 5: louise In a Tech away and they lost seventy one
Speaker 5: sixty two. So it's not like we have a lot
Speaker 5: of data on whether McNeese can step up in they
Speaker 5: have that coach I believe he's the coach that used
Speaker 5: to be Waghe the coach of LSU got in trouble,
Speaker 5: so he's probably a.
Speaker 4: Real good coach.
Speaker 5: He might, you know, other than the fact that he
Speaker 5: started nil before nil. Other than that, you know, he's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: he was n IO pre NL. But you know, I
Speaker 5: don't what do you say? The line is seven here? Yes,
Speaker 5: in Zaga, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't want this. I don't like in Zaga this year.
Speaker 5: But I'm not sure I can trust this McNeese team.
Speaker 5: Probably a lot of people are going to be picking McNeese.
Speaker 2: I would think.
Speaker 1: Thirty and three were the cowboys this year. That that
Speaker 1: margin of victory thing is is difficulty, right, because on
Speaker 1: the one hand they didn't play anybody. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: they destroyed who they did, so it's hard to really gauge.
Speaker 3: Will Yeah, I agree, McNeese is certain going to be trendy.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised that I saw six six and a half.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised it's moved the other way to seven. I
Speaker 3: would certainly take the points before.
Speaker 2: I would lay it. You know, I'll pick McNeese to advance.
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 2: I think there are Oh, they got this guard who's
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 3: Thirty and three is thirty and three, and again margin
Speaker 3: a victory is impressive. So not a vintage Gonzaga team.
Speaker 3: They've played a lot better recently. But I'll take me these.
Speaker 1: Here Will going Yale, going McNeese State. I like it.
Speaker 1: Winner of that way.
Speaker 5: That's another one where he Will would probably agree. The
Speaker 5: first half might even be better in the sense that
Speaker 5: a seven point favorite can look crapp ole of the
Speaker 5: entire game and then blow them out at the way
Speaker 5: end and you lose by nine or ten because of
Speaker 5: the fouls at the end. So that might be one
Speaker 5: that if you think McNee State can hang take the
Speaker 5: four in the first half or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, all right, winner of that five twelve game
Speaker 1: gat Zaga McNeese State plays the winner also Thursday in
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City of the four to thirteen game between
Speaker 1: Kansas and Samford. I'm interested to see what you guys
Speaker 1: have to say about Kansas. Samford Bulldogs were Southern Tournament champs,
Speaker 1: first appearance for them in the NCAA since two thousand.
Speaker 1: They score eighty six points per game, fifth and d
Speaker 1: one Kansas thirty fourth straight time in the tournament top
Speaker 1: four seed for the twenty third straight time, twenty second
Speaker 1: in Kenbom. But they got injuries, and they got injuries
Speaker 1: on a team that only had eleven point nine bench
Speaker 1: points per game. That is you know what that is
Speaker 1: in D one? Eleven point nine bench points per game,
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty sixth in D one, Kansas. This
Speaker 1: is interesting spread too, because this opened what nine and
Speaker 1: a half went all the way down I want to say,
Speaker 1: almost three points and that is backup tea. Now now
Speaker 1: it's Kansas back up to eight against Samford. Todd.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing. I don't like Kansas.
Speaker 5: Like you said, a lot of injuries, but I didn't
Speaker 5: even like Kansas without the injuries, right. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: not a a fan of this year's Kansas team. You know,
Speaker 5: they brought in Dickinson and you know he's I don't know,
Speaker 5: and I just don't love it.
Speaker 4: I don't like Kansas. They're just blah.
Speaker 5: Sanford played two teams in the top one hunder. They
Speaker 5: played per Due away. Guess what the score was. They
Speaker 5: lost ninety eight.
Speaker 4: To forty five. That's probably not great.
Speaker 5: They weren't able to cover a forty something point spread
Speaker 5: and then they lost also.
Speaker 2: That game, but said, yeah, it was they got to
Speaker 2: go back the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Then they also played VCU on the road and lost
Speaker 5: seventy five sixty five Virginia Commonwealth. So you know, I
Speaker 5: don't think Sanford's probably good enough to beat Kansas, even
Speaker 5: even a you know, beating up Kansas team.
Speaker 4: But I do not like Kansas at all.
Speaker 5: In fact, I was forced to take Zaga into the
Speaker 5: Sweet sixteen, a team I also don't like. You know,
Speaker 5: it's funny, like all the teams I like her playing
Speaker 5: the teams I like, and all the teams I don't
Speaker 5: like her playing the teams I don't like. So I'm
Speaker 5: forced to take in Zaza into the Sweet sixteen, which
Speaker 5: I hate. I hate Gonzaga, but I think they're gonna
Speaker 5: beat Kansas, so I'm you know, I have him into
Speaker 5: the Sweet sixteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about the injuries. Hunter Dickinson, who, by
Speaker 1: the way, I've said this before, if I could only
Speaker 1: get a get odds on the Washington Wizards picking him,
Speaker 1: they're totally picking him. He's got the dislocated shoulder. And
Speaker 1: then mccullors has heard too. Those are their two leading
Speaker 1: scorers heading into this ballgame, will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you hit on the injuries. I don't
Speaker 3: know what version of Kansas are we getting. Are they
Speaker 3: healthy and they can run Sanford out of the gym
Speaker 3: because Sanford. When we talk about these teams that play slow,
Speaker 3: that have the components to pull an upset, that is
Speaker 3: not Sanford.
Speaker 2: Sanfordlake's the press.
Speaker 1: They like to run.
Speaker 3: It's interesting trying to press. If Kansas is beat up,
Speaker 3: like you mentioned, they don't have a good bench. That
Speaker 3: might be a good thing, but usually when you're the
Speaker 3: underdog and you have the.
Speaker 2: Lesser athletes, you're not looking to run and speed the
Speaker 2: game up.
Speaker 3: Sanford has gotten bet here at open nine and a
Speaker 3: half for down to like seven seven and a half
Speaker 3: in some spots. This is going to be a trendy upset.
Speaker 3: Pick people that don't like Kansas. I'm gonna go with Kansas.
Speaker 3: I don't like the fact that Sanford plays the up
Speaker 3: tempo style. Nothing I bet because of the Kansas injuries.
Speaker 3: But I think this is one that might be a
Speaker 3: little too trendy here.
Speaker 2: I just don't like. I don't think they have the
Speaker 2: formula here to pull off the upseven all.
Speaker 1: Right, bottom half of this bracket six to eleven game.
Speaker 1: This is in Pittsburgh on Thursday. It's in Pittsburgh. South
Speaker 1: Carolina first NCAA appearance as they got to the Final
Speaker 1: four back in twenty seventeen. They're the sixth seed taking
Speaker 1: on number eleven Oregon, who won the Final PAC twelve tournament.
Speaker 1: They were ten to one to win that tournament pre flop.
Speaker 1: They got it done in fally Dante, leading the leading
Speaker 1: Division one with a seventy point two percent field goal percentage.
Speaker 1: Oregon is the slight tick of a favorite here though,
Speaker 1: as the eleven seed one point favorite TOAH And.
Speaker 4: We go back to the theme of teams I like
Speaker 4: having to play each other.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 4: Who wants to go against Dana Altman in a tournament setting?
Speaker 2: Not me.
Speaker 5: However, I have South Carolina going to the final four.
Speaker 5: So that's a problem for me because I think I
Speaker 5: think South North Carolina is the kind of gritty, kind
Speaker 5: of like come from nowhere type team like San Diego
Speaker 5: State was last year, and they have Michie Johnson I
Speaker 5: believe is their big star. South Carolina is a team
Speaker 5: I really really like. They beat Tennessee this year. Who
Speaker 5: else did they beat?
Speaker 4: They beat some good teams in Mississippi State they beat.
Speaker 5: I just like South Carolina. I like the way they play.
Speaker 5: I think it's perfect style for the tournament. The problem
Speaker 5: here is I have to go against Oregon, and I
Speaker 5: hate going against Dana Altman and tournaments, but unfortunately I
Speaker 5: like South Carolina, so I'm gonna take them. But if
Speaker 5: I think if Oregon makes it, Oregon will beat Crayton.
Speaker 5: So whoever gets through this game to me goes to
Speaker 5: the sweet sixteen and beats Crayton because I am not
Speaker 5: a Creton fan.
Speaker 1: Wow, Toddy just throwing that in about South Carolina. By
Speaker 1: the way, I said that that Oregon was the one
Speaker 1: point favorite. They were yesterday when these brackets came out.
Speaker 1: South Carolina is now the one point favorite. So this flipped.
Speaker 1: Will you lied? I lied? I just blatantly lied.
Speaker 3: Well, shit, jeez, I don't buy this Oregon defense a
Speaker 3: lot of it. If you look at the Pac twelve tournament,
Speaker 3: it was just their opponents missing three after three, and
Speaker 3: what Arizona did in that second half on Friday night
Speaker 3: was just so bad.
Speaker 2: That was just an eye popping result that second half.
Speaker 2: That turnaround. I'll go with South Carolina.
Speaker 3: I don't like backing these teams off of these conference
Speaker 3: tournament wins. I just think South Carolina defends a lot better.
Speaker 3: I like both coaches.
Speaker 2: I'm not betting this game, but I'll pick South Carolina
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: They will play the winner winner of that game. South
Speaker 1: Carolina Oregon, as Todd alluded to, will play the winner.
Speaker 1: Also Thursday in Pittsburgh, this game of the three to
Speaker 1: fourteen game between Creighton and Akri, and Akron won the
Speaker 1: MAC under the circumstances they wanted to where the kid
Speaker 1: on Kent State thought that they were down a point.
Speaker 1: Instead they were up a point. They fouled. You said
Speaker 1: it best will. That kid's gonna live with that for
Speaker 1: the rest of his life. That was like Freddie Brown
Speaker 1: throwing it to James Worthy the end of the eighty
Speaker 1: two NCAA Championship. After Jordan hit the go ahead jumper,
Speaker 1: he saw a flash in his eyes and he threw
Speaker 1: it to James Worthy. That was the end of that.
Speaker 1: Akron taking on Creighton, Creighton's number eleven and Ken Palm.
Speaker 1: They're the only D one team with three players that
Speaker 1: average seventeen points or more per game. Baylor shireman Trey
Speaker 1: Alexander Ryan klt Brenner. Creighton's a big favorite here. No
Speaker 1: surprise there, Todd, I'm sure you have them advancing.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think if you're gonna pick one of these
Speaker 5: these upset games, I wouldn't mind taking Akron. Wow, I
Speaker 5: don't like Creyton and Creighton. Again, They're They're a three
Speaker 5: point shooting team going into one of these venues that
Speaker 5: they don't shoot in often. You know, obviously Creighton's a
Speaker 5: good team, and they can be good teams, but they
Speaker 5: can also lose to you know, they could they could
Speaker 5: pull a stinker, and you know, it's the kind of
Speaker 5: team where if they're missing their three point shots, it
Speaker 5: could set up perfectly for like a gritty type of
Speaker 5: Acron kind of team. I like that Akron coach too.
Speaker 5: If I was gonna pick, I'm picking against Create. I
Speaker 5: took Creighton to advance in my real bracket, but I
Speaker 5: would not be shocked if Akron pulled the upset and
Speaker 5: then I took. Like I told you, I took South
Speaker 5: Carolina to be Creighton because I'm not a fan of Creighton.
Speaker 3: Will Yeah, Creighton would win. It may be a Acron
Speaker 3: can hang around me. I just hate laying points in
Speaker 3: this tournament where I feel like anything can happen. You
Speaker 3: get random neutral sites, cross conferences, refreekra.
Speaker 2: And there's just so many variables.
Speaker 3: I hate laying points, but I'd be pretty surprised if
Speaker 3: Creighton lost this game. I'm gonna take Creyighton to advance here, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Final two games of a round of sixty four
Speaker 1: Thursday in Charlotte in this region, number seven, Texas, number ten, Virginia,
Speaker 1: the Who's six.
Speaker 4: No, it's the Who's versus.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, the Who's versus Colorado State. Pardon me,
Speaker 1: Texas will play the winner of the Who's versus Colorado State,
Speaker 1: which is a first four in first four in game
Speaker 1: playing game, first four game, Virginia sixty one point nine
Speaker 1: possessions per game, slowest pace in D one. All right,
Speaker 1: Colorado State Virginia the play in game first four game.
Speaker 4: With Virginiado State, maybe Colorado State, oida State.
Speaker 5: Creighton, by the way, that's the team that we're talking
Speaker 5: about right now. They beat him by twenty in the
Speaker 5: preseason on a neutral court. Colorado Stateia favored by two
Speaker 5: and a half. Here. Yeah, they beat Colorado, They beat Washington.
Speaker 5: Colorado State is. First of all, they have that Isaiah
Speaker 5: Stevens kid has been their point guard for about one
Speaker 5: hundred years. And again, you want to have good point
Speaker 5: guard play in the tournament. I like Colorado State to
Speaker 5: beat Virginia. I do not like Virginia at all. And
Speaker 5: I do have Colorado State to upset Texas in that
Speaker 5: game after they defeat After they defeat Virginia, I think
Speaker 5: they're going to beat Texas.
Speaker 4: I am not high on Texas.
Speaker 1: Who do you think is played the longest at their school?
Speaker 1: Taking hard at Boise State? Right, hasn't he played there
Speaker 1: for seventy five years?
Speaker 5: Isaiah Stevens I think has been there for twelve years. Okay,
Speaker 5: he made it for the first pandemic and the second pandemic.
Speaker 1: What Colorado State, Virginia? Anything there will?
Speaker 2: I like Colorado State. I just think, boy, I didn't
Speaker 2: check the total on this game. This is an under.
Speaker 3: I don't know that winner might get like fifty to
Speaker 3: fifty three points. This could be like a fifty three
Speaker 3: to fifty type of game. I just don't think Virginia
Speaker 3: has enough offense. I'm gonna put my money where my
Speaker 3: mouth is or he I don't think they belong with
Speaker 3: this tournament, and I'm gonna fade him here.
Speaker 2: I like the Colorado State coach. I think Colorado State
Speaker 2: gets it done here.
Speaker 1: The total is one twenty one, one twenty one, which
Speaker 1: is the lowest total of any playing game, or any
Speaker 1: round A sixty four game.
Speaker 2: That's probably still too high, right, That one twenty one
Speaker 2: feels like it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're gonna play the under, I'd play the
Speaker 5: first half.
Speaker 1: Under, not the game under all right, winner of whoever
Speaker 1: Texas plays there will take on the winner of the
Speaker 1: two to fifteen game between Tennessee Dalton connect and Tennessee
Speaker 1: number seven and Ken Palm against number fifteen Saint Peter's
Speaker 1: the Peacocks, the Metro Atlantic tournament champs, who had the
Speaker 1: worst field goal percentage in the entire Metro Atlantic this
Speaker 1: year and still managed to win the tournament. And remember,
Speaker 1: of course, they gave us the biggest thrill maybe of
Speaker 1: all time, the only fifteen seed to ever reach the
Speaker 1: Elite eight that happened a couple of years ago. But
Speaker 1: Tennessee's a big favorite here. I assume you're advancing Tennessee, Yes,
Speaker 1: should I assume? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean that's funny that as soon as you said
Speaker 5: Saint Peter's, I was like, oh, I didn't know that
Speaker 5: stat that you just said, but I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: this team can't hit the broadside of a barn.
Speaker 4: You can watch their game. They can go up and
Speaker 4: down the floor and just not score.
Speaker 5: Like I'll have the first half over with them and
Speaker 5: I'll need, like, you know, twelve points in five minutes,
Speaker 5: and it's just like it's like pulling teeth to get
Speaker 5: them to score Saint Peter's. So I don't think this
Speaker 5: is the Saint Peter's that's going to make the run.
Speaker 5: I believe was that Showheen Holloway was the coach when
Speaker 5: they when they made the run, And I don't think
Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to be this time. I
Speaker 5: think Tennessee's got way too much. And by the way,
Speaker 5: that Dalton connect is like Shannon on Illinois, just incredibly
Speaker 5: fun to watch.
Speaker 1: He's amazing. He's amazing, He's there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: Danny Manning and the Miracles vibe to him in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Will funny you mentioned Saint Peter's being bad on offense.
Speaker 3: I watched them in the title game against Fairfield. Fairfields
Speaker 3: right up the road. I was rooting for Fairfield. They
Speaker 3: haven't been in the tournament in forever. Saint Peter's I think,
Speaker 3: went nine minutes without missing a shot. They were down
Speaker 3: nine in the second half and they starred pasts. Fairfield
Speaker 3: had to hang on. So it's just funny that they
Speaker 3: they got hot at the right time. Fairfield really let
Speaker 3: that game get away.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: If nothing for me on this game, Tennessee wins. I
Speaker 3: think the probab wouldn't comfortable say.
Speaker 4: How do you feel about the Fairfield women's team?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How far are they getting?
Speaker 3: They get Indiana in the first round, then they get
Speaker 3: the winner probably Oklahoma and Gulf Coast, and if they
Speaker 3: win those two, which they could. They played terribly Saturday
Speaker 3: in their conference tournament. They're lucky to be alive as
Speaker 3: huge favorites. They're thirty one and one, but they would
Speaker 3: run into South Carolina, but they could win a game
Speaker 3: or two.
Speaker 2: They're good, very bad.
Speaker 5: What do you think about them from an Instagram perspective,
Speaker 5: I don't know what you're referring to.
Speaker 4: I don't know Willie tell us.
Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, let me just go through these
Speaker 1: some bullshit trends just because I want to be thorough
Speaker 1: and then we'll get to our elite eight picks. Before
Speaker 1: last year, a number one seed had won the title
Speaker 1: five straight NCAA tournaments. Didn't happen last year, of course,
Speaker 1: because before last year, at least one number one seed
Speaker 1: had reached the final four in the previous nine tournaments.
Speaker 1: But last year it was a fifth seed San Diego State,
Speaker 1: a nine seed FAU, fifth seed Miami, and a fourth
Speaker 1: seed Ukon. By the way, I had Yukon last year too.
Speaker 1: That's a footnote compared to what you guys had. Five
Speaker 1: seed highest seed to never win. At large teams have
Speaker 1: won seven of the last nine titles. First four teams
Speaker 1: have reached the final four only twice VCU in twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: Shaka Smart and then UCLA in twenty twenty one. Jimi
Speaker 1: Hawk's what was the other j kid? What was his name?
Speaker 1: Jimi Hockey has and Jizang was his name? I gotta
Speaker 1: douse anyway. Last team from the Pacific or Mountain time
Speaker 1: zones to win the title Arizona nineteen ninety seven. Jesus
Speaker 1: first four team has reached the round of thirty two
Speaker 1: eleven of the last twelve years, So one of these
Speaker 1: first four teams eleven of the last twelve years have
Speaker 1: gotten past the first round of around of sixty four
Speaker 1: into the Vibian.
Speaker 4: Miles Simon was the Arizona team.
Speaker 1: Yes, Miles Simon, who I thought at the time was
Speaker 1: going to be this amazing pro. I remember thinking, what.
Speaker 2: Did they beat three number one seeds or four? I
Speaker 2: think it was at least three one seeds.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that title game? Didn't that go to overtime against Utah?
Speaker 1: Was that order? Was that a Kentucky win that went overtime?
Speaker 4: Kentucky played Utah? That was the Rick Majeris.
Speaker 1: I think I thought there was a title game that
Speaker 1: went to overtime and it was a Patino game.
Speaker 5: That was the first time I was ever in Vegas
Speaker 5: during that Final four with you at the Stardust.
Speaker 4: I remember watching it.
Speaker 1: Top four seed is lost in the first round, and
Speaker 1: fourteen of the last fifteen tournaments, at least one double
Speaker 1: digit seed has reached the Sweet sixteen. Since two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, all four number one seeds have reached the
Speaker 1: final four only one time, that was two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: and three teams reaching the first final four last year
Speaker 1: for the first time, was the most in nineteen seventy. Anyway,
Speaker 1: all that just little details that you may find interesting.
Speaker 1: All Right, we get to the Elite eight. Our Elite
Speaker 1: eight choices.
Speaker 4: Todd, we can't do. We can't do Sweet sixteen. Also
Speaker 4: just Elite eight.
Speaker 1: You could do Sweet sixteen. I only I'm sure about
Speaker 1: my Elite eight right now.
Speaker 5: I did okay eight, I would you just want the
Speaker 5: Elite eight then yeah, let's do e Lai date. Okay,
Speaker 5: So I have now, Remember my bracket is going to
Speaker 5: be absolutely atrocious this year, especially after last year. I
Speaker 5: even I think Yukon's not going to make it this year,
Speaker 5: even though I have them and I had to pick
Speaker 5: them just because I you know, I just love them
Speaker 5: all year.
Speaker 4: So anyways, I have Yukon.
Speaker 5: I'm really scared that they're going to lose the Auburn
Speaker 5: in the Sweet sixteen game or I was stayed in
Speaker 5: the Final eight. But I have Yukon against Iowa State
Speaker 5: in the Final eight. The ALIGNI against Iowa State and
Speaker 5: that Sweet sixteen game is going to be an unbelievable
Speaker 5: contrast game where you have Illinois playing up tempo against
Speaker 5: Iowa State's defense.
Speaker 4: Illinois offense. That'll be very entertaining.
Speaker 5: I have Yukon and Iowa State and UH in my
Speaker 5: first part of my final eight. And then do we
Speaker 5: want to go each region one by one or yeah.
Speaker 1: Let's sill, let's go one on one. So you have
Speaker 1: Yukon over Iowa State will in that region?
Speaker 2: What do you have Yukon over Iowa State one versus
Speaker 2: the two?
Speaker 1: I have Yukon beating BYU.
Speaker 4: Ooh, you think BYU is going to beat Illinois?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Byus just missed.
Speaker 2: He picked he BYU because he thinks they're going to lose.
Speaker 1: I have BYU full disclosure of b YU to get
Speaker 1: to the final four at twelve to one. But I'm
Speaker 1: perfectly aware that BYU is that team that will shoot
Speaker 1: themselves into a game, and they will shoot themselves out
Speaker 1: of a game. And their coach, their coach, pope says it.
Speaker 1: He says, we only know, we only know how one
Speaker 1: way to play.
Speaker 5: They evangelicals, because the Mormons are very different than the Evangelicals.
Speaker 1: But anyways, anything you'd like to talk about Japan within Asia,
Speaker 1: would you like to refer to that?
Speaker 4: Sure? Okay, sure, all RNNA isn't Japan in Asia.
Speaker 5: It is yes, all right, go ahead, second second, Region,
Speaker 5: Final eight. I have hold your horses, sit down, everyone,
Speaker 5: hold your horses. Horses yeah, Mississippi State. I have Mississippi
Speaker 5: State to pull the jigundis upset against North Carolina in
Speaker 5: the in the final thirty two. Then they go into
Speaker 5: the Sweet sixteen to play a Grand Canyon team that
Speaker 5: somehow got through against Bama. And I have Mississippi State
Speaker 5: beating Grand Canyon to be one of my Elite eight teams.
Speaker 5: Mississippi State grind it out in Starkville for one of
Speaker 5: my Elite eight. And then on my other side, I
Speaker 5: also have an usual pick. I have the you're gonna
Speaker 5: call this the Michigan bracket for me, but I have
Speaker 5: the Klemmy Clemson Clem Haskins, the Clemson Tigers, who have
Speaker 5: been bad late in the season. They rekindle their optimism
Speaker 5: and they beat Baylor to go into the Final eight
Speaker 5: by beating not Arizona folks, but the Nevada Steve Alford Wolfpack.
Speaker 4: Because Nevada will.
Speaker 5: Beat Arizona in the round of thirty two, it will
Speaker 5: be Clemmy against Mississippi State. On that side of what
Speaker 5: Gilly will call my for Cocta region.
Speaker 1: It is your for Cockta region. But you know what
Speaker 1: I say, right after I call it your for Cocta region,
Speaker 1: I say, go fill out a bracket for one of
Speaker 1: these nationwide pools. You, Mendrick, So you have Mississippi State
Speaker 1: beating Clemson there, huh wow, will Wow, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a tough headline to beat right there.
Speaker 2: I have Arizona in the Elite eight as the two seed,
Speaker 2: and I have them losing in the Elite eight to
Speaker 2: Mississippi State. Oh wow, wow, No we didn't. I can't
Speaker 2: believe you picked that one. Wow, little miss is gonna
Speaker 2: be the only one.
Speaker 1: My my pick here, my pick here is so bad.
Speaker 1: Like I'm looking at it and I'm just like, this
Speaker 1: is atrocious. I have Arizona beating Alabama.
Speaker 2: Not that bad.
Speaker 5: Alabama is not making it, that's for sure, and Arizona
Speaker 5: is not making it also for sure.
Speaker 4: So you can forget about those I love.
Speaker 1: I love how I thought there was a qualifier coming
Speaker 1: up for the next one, and he's like, no, save
Speaker 1: results Arizona, but Alabama.
Speaker 4: I think it's the main thing that me and Willie
Speaker 4: both took messis.
Speaker 1: I think it is incredible. That's incredible.
Speaker 4: And we didn't talk to each other about this. It's
Speaker 4: it's funny.
Speaker 1: Mississippi State, who is let me see thirtieth in ken pong.
Speaker 1: You both have him in your Elite eight, and you
Speaker 1: have them winning.
Speaker 2: I'm in the final four.
Speaker 1: Oh, you both have them getting in the final four.
Speaker 4: Me too, I have them in the final four.
Speaker 1: Twoh, you both have them getting in the final four. Wow.
Speaker 1: So you have beating Yeah, you have them beating Clemson.
Speaker 1: You haven't beating Arizona.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, next, that's amazing. Next one, Toddy.
Speaker 5: By the way, that just means that our brackets are
Speaker 5: going to be terrible because both me and Willie picked
Speaker 5: the craziness last year and we're both going to get
Speaker 5: it wrong.
Speaker 1: To wait, wait before you go on, Todd, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say it a second time. You if you have Missis, say,
Speaker 1: Mississippi State beating Clemson, which you do, should go fill
Speaker 1: out a.
Speaker 5: Bracket this year because the only reason I didn't do
Speaker 5: it is because I didn't think to go to that book.
Speaker 5: Because I was limited, I didn't remember that. Of course
Speaker 5: I could just play the bracket. It was it was
Speaker 5: not that I forgot it was just I didn't realize
Speaker 5: that was the problem.
Speaker 1: Well, it was just how would you define the word forgot?
Speaker 4: I didn't forget, it was that. It was that I
Speaker 4: never like even considered it.
Speaker 1: Didn't remember that sports book.
Speaker 4: You were, no, but I didn't consider using that sports book.
Speaker 1: But anyway, brain didn't toggle to it. I understand. Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, what's.
Speaker 4: Your next Anyways, it's sports betting.
Speaker 5: If you win, you still don't win, folks, because they
Speaker 5: kick you out or limit you to twenty two dollars.
Speaker 5: It's a really really smart thing to waste your time
Speaker 5: on in life. So if you'd like to continue doing it,
Speaker 5: it's up to you.
Speaker 4: However, it is fun when somebody hits a three at
Speaker 4: the buzzer against you.
Speaker 5: Okay, now in the bottom bracket, I guess we should
Speaker 5: do the Purdue bracket.
Speaker 1: Yes, I forget thee to the bracket before that's so
Speaker 1: we do top Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, okay, so I'm going to go there. I
Speaker 5: have an upset occurring in the Sweet sixteen Duke to
Speaker 5: beat the Houston Cougars and Duke to be my first
Speaker 5: Elite eight team to play.
Speaker 4: Hold onto your hats, folks with this one.
Speaker 5: The Texas Tech Red Raiders from Deep West Texas to
Speaker 5: beat Boise and go to the Elite eight after they
Speaker 5: upset Kentucky in the round of thirty two. Give me
Speaker 5: the Duke Blue Devils against the Texas Tech Red Ravers.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I want to pick Florida, but the fact
Speaker 3: that they lost the big offensive rebounding is such a
Speaker 3: big part of that team, and he was an offensive
Speaker 3: rebounding machine and that was a gruesome injury.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys saw that yesterday, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that was Florida. I will go with Kentucky going to
Speaker 2: the Final four. I have them. We're doing the final four?
Speaker 2: Is just the Lede or just Ada Lee Day.
Speaker 3: Okay, Kentucky versus Nebraska and the Elite Eight. I don't
Speaker 3: like this Houston team. Nebraska upsets Houston in the second round.
Speaker 1: I couldn't decide, and they beat Duke in the third round.
Speaker 2: I haven't decided that yet, but I guess so.
Speaker 4: Well, you just said that they're taking them, so I
Speaker 4: don't know who they beat.
Speaker 2: Though, I don't know who they beat.
Speaker 4: I know the crystal ball here, no, no, to get
Speaker 4: to the Elite eight.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I have Kentucky and Nebraska.
Speaker 1: You have. I couldn't decide between Kentucky and Marquette on
Speaker 1: the one side, so I ended up picking Kentucky. So
Speaker 1: I got Kentucky in Houston.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Now, here's the thing. Here's the thing about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not as sure that it's not gonna happen
Speaker 5: as I'm sure Bama against Arizona is not gonna happen.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 1: I love as you're like. So Arizona is clearly not
Speaker 1: gonna happening, and Alabama that's clearly not happening either. O.
Speaker 2: Good, Now, it's funny before we get these picks, do
Speaker 2: you think you and I?
Speaker 3: Who Look, I never think I moved the number on anything,
Speaker 3: but the fact that we had such good brackets last year,
Speaker 3: people are gonna probably foolish thing, foolishly think we could
Speaker 3: duplicate that and go out of Mississippi State.
Speaker 5: So this time, like tomorrow, Yeah, Michigan State's gonna Michigan
Speaker 5: State's gonna beat them seventy one, seventy There will be
Speaker 5: no more Inity State, that's for.
Speaker 2: Sure, all right.
Speaker 1: Last last region the Midwest.
Speaker 5: Okay, in the Midwest, I have Purdue squeaking by Montana
Speaker 5: State Grambling in the Phesik Special and then playing beating
Speaker 5: Utah State as well, and then they go against Gonzaga again,
Speaker 5: a team that I don't like, and then it's Purdue Gonzaga,
Speaker 5: and I don't like Gonzaga enough. I don't like Purdue either, folks,
Speaker 5: I don't. I'll tell you what I don't like about Purdue.
Speaker 5: The big guy is fantastic, don't get me wrong, but
Speaker 5: he's a bit of a softy. And when the game
Speaker 5: gets really really tight and the refs start clenching their
Speaker 5: sphincters before calling the foul, he has a tendency to
Speaker 5: do dumb things. And then when he does get foul
Speaker 5: and it's a one in one and he needs to
Speaker 5: make it, he doesn't make it, especially if you have
Speaker 5: the over.
Speaker 4: So I do not like Purdue.
Speaker 5: However, I'm going to take them to beat Gonzaga because
Speaker 5: I just don't think this is a classic Gonzaga team.
Speaker 5: I just don't think there's enough there. I mean, they're good,
Speaker 5: don't get me wrong, they're very, very good. I just
Speaker 5: don't think this is a classic Gonzaga team. So I'm
Speaker 5: going to take Purdue to get to the Elite eight,
Speaker 5: and I have them hold your horses, folks in a
Speaker 5: rematch in the sweet sixteen of the third time, South
Speaker 5: Carolina plays Tennessee and Poley uposet South Carolina to go
Speaker 5: to the Final eight against per Due, defeating Tennessee in
Speaker 5: sweet sixty.
Speaker 1: By the way, the big guy on Purdue that Todd
Speaker 1: was referring to is North American Zach Eadie, who's from Canada.
Speaker 4: But Todd he's also half Asian, isn't he?
Speaker 1: Yeah, go back in his back. He's Canadian though, But
Speaker 1: I'm saying you would refer to as North American based
Speaker 1: on your based on my history on this show.
Speaker 4: I do continents like on Monday Night Football.
Speaker 5: If I ever get announced on Monday Night footbably Codd
Speaker 5: wishnev North America.
Speaker 1: Todd wishteb Antarctica. All right, will last one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a little boring here, Perdue. I don't love
Speaker 3: this team, but I had a hard time knocking them off.
Speaker 3: I will have them facing Creighton, a team I do
Speaker 3: like your little Chalky.
Speaker 1: I'm even more Chalky purduing Tennessee for me. All right,
Speaker 1: Final four.
Speaker 3: I forget what I'm trying to forget and remember where
Speaker 3: I saw the stat The last time a one played
Speaker 3: a two in the Elite eight was twenty nineteen. So
Speaker 3: you think one verse two so chalky, so obvious, it
Speaker 3: actually doesn't happen that often.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the only one two I have here.
Speaker 5: But yeah, when you fill out these brackets, remember a
Speaker 5: lot of it. Once you get into the final thirty two,
Speaker 5: tons of these games become like like toss ups. You're
Speaker 5: not like shock when when these teams lose.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't pick one and two and four
Speaker 1: bread and four reasons, she's just scress picking one.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go final.
Speaker 3: I was just saying, it's kind of counterintuitive of like, oh,
Speaker 3: you think the one verse two is so it's actually
Speaker 3: counterintuitive picked the one verse the two. And did you
Speaker 3: see Shannon Sharp he picked for his final four and
Speaker 3: the women and the men eight number one seeds?
Speaker 1: Are you serious?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll send you guys. I'll send you guys. Somebody
Speaker 2: tweet I think, also announcing he had the tweet, it said, boyd,
Speaker 2: Shannon Sharp's really earning his money from ESPN picks all
Speaker 2: eight number one seeds.
Speaker 1: But way if that happens that's the most amazing bracket
Speaker 1: of all time. That's incredible.
Speaker 5: I don't how much basketball, Shannon shar I probably watched
Speaker 5: the college basketball this year.
Speaker 4: Zero second.
Speaker 1: Okay Final Four, Todd.
Speaker 5: Okay Final Four. Here we go, by the way. I
Speaker 5: hate my bracket. Just did I I don't know if
Speaker 5: I mentioned this to everybody, but.
Speaker 1: It's come up. I think it has come up before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so you've been warned, folks, You've been worn.
Speaker 4: I have Yukon.
Speaker 5: I'm very scared. I don't think Yukon is going to
Speaker 5: make the Final four. But because I have the futures
Speaker 5: ticket and I love Yukon from last year and I
Speaker 5: still love Yukon this year. I've only made two futures bets,
Speaker 5: you know, in two years, and they were both on Yukon.
Speaker 5: I'm going to take Yukon to squeak it out past
Speaker 5: Iowa State. I'm super worried about the Auburn game. I'm
Speaker 5: going to be super worried about an Iowa State Elite
Speaker 5: eight team, And if Illinois makes it to the Elite eight,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be worried about that to that game as well.
Speaker 5: So there's no way I'm not gonna be worried about Yukon,
Speaker 5: but I do have him getting into the Final four,
Speaker 5: and I have him going against Mississippi State against Clemson.
Speaker 5: Mississippi State squeaks by Clemson with their Starkville defense, and
Speaker 5: it's Yukon Mississippi State on that side of my final
Speaker 5: four bracket. And on my other side, I am going
Speaker 5: to go or should I wait? And you guys do
Speaker 5: your side and go ahead, finish it out, okay.
Speaker 4: On my other side, I have Duke versus Texas Tech.
Speaker 5: I'm going to have Duke, and again I don't really
Speaker 5: want Duke, but I just don't see how they don't
Speaker 5: get through here. But so I'm going to take Duke again.
Speaker 5: That's why I say I just hate my bracket.
Speaker 1: Hey, take you know that thing? You know that thing
Speaker 1: you have with Duke. It's not gonna happen. Just want
Speaker 1: to point out.
Speaker 5: That's not by the way, I with you more, there's
Speaker 5: no way to making it. Like I put down Duke,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, think of my crazy Duke. There's no
Speaker 5: way Duke's making it. So so I put Duke in
Speaker 5: the Final four. I don't like it, and I do
Speaker 5: like South Carolina the Final four, South Carolina baby to
Speaker 5: the final four?
Speaker 4: Did you fight Hayley's so did you?
Speaker 1: Did you just say that you have both mississis State
Speaker 1: in South Carolina in your final four?
Speaker 5: Yes, I do an eight seed and a six. By
Speaker 5: the way, it's not so crazy for an eight and
Speaker 5: the six to make it is well, no, it's.
Speaker 1: Not, but it's bold and you should be filling out
Speaker 1: a bracket at a national pool. Well, your final.
Speaker 3: Four, yukon Mississippi State, I think, let me expand upon
Speaker 3: my Mississippi State pick.
Speaker 4: It's amazing that we both have.
Speaker 2: It's really incredible.
Speaker 3: I think that's the bracket that could break open because
Speaker 3: the West is really weak, and we talk about how
Speaker 3: strong the East is and somewhere else has to be weak.
Speaker 3: The West really doesn't have a number one seed un
Speaker 3: SE's nine and Ken palm un See is more.
Speaker 4: Like a re seed.
Speaker 3: So I think Mississippi State if they can get by
Speaker 3: Michigan State. Remember Florida Atlantic Uh last year they were
Speaker 3: the Cinderella Darling that made the run to the final four.
Speaker 3: They were down one and Memphis had the ball on
Speaker 3: the ground trying to call time out. They called the
Speaker 3: jump ball Florida Land one of the buzzers. So these
Speaker 3: games sometimes they go either way early and then you
Speaker 3: can go on a run. But Mississippi State they're long,
Speaker 3: they're athletic, They've got a really good point guard, you know.
Speaker 3: I think Howard's is named so they can bother UNC
Speaker 3: and then if you get past the UNC, the bracket
Speaker 3: really opens up and who knows you're playing after that.
Speaker 3: So Yukon I think survives the gauntlet. Mississippi State is
Speaker 3: my little bit of a sleeper. I went with Kentucky
Speaker 3: just because of the NBA talent. I really wanted to
Speaker 3: pick Florida, but they are missing William will Can I
Speaker 3: just stop you there?
Speaker 5: There is no chance there is Just like I said
Speaker 5: to Gilly, there's no chance Kentucky is being the final form.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so Kentucky final four and uh and I'll
Speaker 3: go with Creighton.
Speaker 2: I just like the shot diet.
Speaker 3: I think they take a lot of threes, they get
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff close to the hoop, and they
Speaker 3: do not foul. They do not give you stuff for
Speaker 3: free on the defensive end of one of the best
Speaker 3: teams in the country and not fouling. They were very
Speaker 3: close to making it last year. That game against San
Speaker 3: Diego State could have gone either way. So I will
Speaker 3: go Yukon, Mississippi State, Florida Kentucky and Crayton. So Creyton, Kentucky, Yukon,
Speaker 3: miss State.
Speaker 1: You think you hate your brackets? Do you think you
Speaker 1: hate your bracket? Man? Do I hate mine? Yukon beats
Speaker 1: b Yu. The BYU role stops Yukon gets there in
Speaker 1: the in the Elite eight game that Todd says can
Speaker 1: never happen, Arizona will beat Alabama, who overachieved to get
Speaker 1: this far and to score one awaight, and Tommy Lloyd
Speaker 1: makes me look like an ass for killing him all year,
Speaker 1: and he gets to the Final four. I too, have
Speaker 1: Kentucky in the Final four, beating Houston in the Elite eight,
Speaker 1: and then you talk about hating yourself. Tennessee has lost
Speaker 1: to a lower seed their last five NCAA tournaments under
Speaker 1: Rick Barnes in the round of thirty two, the round
Speaker 1: of sixteen, the round of sixty four, the round of
Speaker 1: thirty two, in the round of sixteen. Well, dumbass me
Speaker 1: has Tennessee beating Purdue to go to the Final four.
Speaker 4: So they do have Dalton Connect.
Speaker 1: They got Dalton Connect.
Speaker 4: If you told me right.
Speaker 5: Now Tennessee against Purdue, I would take Tennessee. Well, I
Speaker 5: need not like Purdue.
Speaker 1: I referenced it earlier. I feel a little bit of
Speaker 1: Danny Manning and the Miracles with Connect, and so that's
Speaker 1: why I have Tennessee going. So I got Yukon, Arizona,
Speaker 1: Kentucky and Tennessee championship in five and winner is Todd.
Speaker 5: I have Yukon beating Mississippi State, and then I have
Speaker 5: Duke playing South Carolina and South Carolina polls the upset
Speaker 5: to go to the final game. The game Cox, go
Speaker 5: to the final game, and it's Yukon beating the game Cox,
Speaker 5: and it's Yukon wins it all against South Carolina. I
Speaker 5: am assuring you right now there is no way Yukon
Speaker 5: wins it all because I have a futures bed at
Speaker 5: eleven to one. There's no way I'm gonna win two
Speaker 5: years in a row. So for sure my bracket is wrong.
Speaker 5: But I'm taking Yukon against the Game cos.
Speaker 4: I can't carry you guys.
Speaker 2: I think Gilly had his eyes little microphone, my mic
Speaker 2: was up.
Speaker 1: I was eating mints.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank Scott it, thank you eating.
Speaker 3: We'll meet for the third time in the national title
Speaker 3: game they split during the regular season. Yukond will win
Speaker 3: the third and final matchup. Yukon is gonna go back
Speaker 3: to back.
Speaker 1: Here. I got Yukon beating Arizona, I got Tennessee beating Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and then I got Yukon beating Tennessee and Dalton Connect
Speaker 1: who the nation will fall in love with? How many
Speaker 1: puff pieces will there be about Dalton Connect and his
Speaker 1: amazing growth spurt? Yukon back to back? Baby?
Speaker 5: The only thing I can assure you right now is
Speaker 5: do they have a bet betting the field against Yukon?
Speaker 4: Gilly?
Speaker 1: Oh? Not that I've seen? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Oh okay, because you should go out and beta post.
Speaker 3: Yes, knows on all these teams, I think right, Circa does, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Circle always has it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't like.
Speaker 5: I hate the fact that all three of us like Yukon.
Speaker 5: It means the whole world's gonna like Yukon. It means
Speaker 5: my Yukon ticket is dead. I will be hedging my
Speaker 5: Yukon ticket as we go along in this tournament if
Speaker 5: I can't at all, because I can't imagine that we're
Speaker 5: all going to be right.
Speaker 4: And that Yukon's going to win it All for a
Speaker 4: second straight time. Ohthough they do look like the best
Speaker 4: team by far.
Speaker 1: By the way, I was right that Arizona did beat
Speaker 1: Kentucky in ninety seven in overtime when Ricky Patino coached Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 3: Think they were the first team to ever beat three
Speaker 3: one seeds in a tournament, because if I remember, Arizona
Speaker 3: was a four and they beat a sweet they beat
Speaker 3: a one in the Sweet sixteen, and one in the
Speaker 3: Elite eight, and then another one in the final four or.
Speaker 2: Something like that. One seed.
Speaker 4: Now, Gilly, who do you like in the nit?
Speaker 1: I guess Indiana State because all these other teams are
Speaker 1: won't refuse to play in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sucks.
Speaker 4: That's an interesting idea.
Speaker 1: But I mean, by the time all these teams, you know, pass,
Speaker 1: what will Indiana States number? Because and I understand why
Speaker 1: these teams are pulling out right, Like the transfer portal
Speaker 1: is such that the timing of it is like why
Speaker 1: would we don't know who we have, we don't know
Speaker 1: who's leaving.
Speaker 4: It could be like the Bull season.
Speaker 5: It could be like the Bull season's year where it
Speaker 5: was completely different, which by the way, may lead to
Speaker 5: some amazing in game opportunities. If you're going to watch
Speaker 5: the NIT on Tuesday and Wednesday night, and you're watching
Speaker 5: the game and you see that they don't have all
Speaker 5: the stars in for a particular team, there's no way
Speaker 5: the lines makers are going to get all this correct
Speaker 5: because they probably have no idea who's really gonna try,
Speaker 5: who's really not going to be trying. So there might
Speaker 5: be some real nice in game opportunities on Tuesday and
Speaker 5: Wednesday night. In the National Invitational Tournament, it's.
Speaker 3: A lot like ball season, And I remember ball season,
Speaker 3: we got a ton of underdogs on the money line
Speaker 3: winning straight up and and just for memory, underdogs typically
Speaker 3: do pretty well on the money line in the n
Speaker 3: i T because it's their exhibition games. It's high variants,
Speaker 3: so maybe you know your round robin. Some of these
Speaker 3: underdogs on the money line, there's probably worst bets that
Speaker 3: could be made. And I had I had fezeg on
Speaker 3: my podcast the other day and he says he loved
Speaker 3: he's mister under He always bets unders.
Speaker 2: He loves to bet overs in.
Speaker 3: The n i T because it's happy, fun time where
Speaker 3: the teams they missed they missed out on the tournament.
Speaker 3: They've been playing, you know, these intense games, and it's
Speaker 3: ask where the n I T will play a little faster,
Speaker 3: will play loose?
Speaker 2: Maybe not the intensity on defense?
Speaker 1: Who wants to play?
Speaker 5: That's good fun for your Here's when you can put
Speaker 5: in your pipe and smoke. It's San Francisco getting six
Speaker 5: at in this sense against Cincinnati. I wouldn't mind taking
Speaker 5: San Francisco on the money line. The Dons are very tony.
Speaker 1: You love the Dons, Yeah, you love? You liked them
Speaker 1: all here by the way, I was just looking at this.
Speaker 1: You know, they were the last thing with a trivia
Speaker 1: question in our lifetime. If I asked you how many
Speaker 1: NCAA title games went to overtime? What would your answer be?
Speaker 1: What would your guest be?
Speaker 2: I'll say two, todd n See championship games?
Speaker 1: Yes, one. I think I would have guessed one because
Speaker 1: I remember that Arizona game, being that's Virginia Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: Virginia would have would I would have come into my
Speaker 1: mind and I would have been like, wait, no, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, two because that was recent enough that I
Speaker 1: remember it. The answer is four, which I never would
Speaker 1: have guessed.
Speaker 4: Did Memphis go to overtime lines.
Speaker 1: Yes, the Kansas Memphis game went to overtime, the one
Speaker 1: where Memphis was up nine late that Derek Rose, Derek Rose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did salloup three and Chalmers hit a three
Speaker 2: to chick the overtime.
Speaker 1: Chalmers hit the three overtime. Yeah, Chalmers hit the three.
Speaker 4: And then Kansas North Carolina game go to overtime. No.
Speaker 1: The other one was so so was Virginia Texas Tech
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. It was Kansas Memphis in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, which Will was right, Kansas. Then, by the way,
Speaker 1: Virginia won by eight in overtime, where Texas Texas Texas
Speaker 1: Tech and Kansas won by seven in overtime over Memphis. Uh.
Speaker 1: The Arizona Kentucky game which I referenced earlier, which Arizona won,
Speaker 1: they won it by five. And then the other one
Speaker 1: was nineteen eighty nine, Michigan beats Seaton Hall by a
Speaker 1: point in overtime.
Speaker 5: Andrew Gays against Rumeo Robinson. I'm guessing it was eighty
Speaker 5: one eighty is that correct?
Speaker 1: Eighty to seventy nine? Close? Yeah, and Rumeil Robinson got fouled.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: Romel Robinson got fouled, remember, and he wanted the free
Speaker 1: throw line.
Speaker 4: You know where I watched that from.
Speaker 1: I can tell you where I was. Where were you?
Speaker 4: Rusalem, Israel? In the middle of the night. He went
Speaker 4: down to watch it at someplace that had it.
Speaker 1: Could you go me?
Speaker 5: Nineteen eighty nine. Somehow we were able to get the
Speaker 5: game and Israe. This is before the internet. I don't
Speaker 5: even know. I think there was a satellite dish or
Speaker 5: something somewhere and people found out we could go watch
Speaker 5: the game at like the Nation newspaper in Jerusalem or something.
Speaker 4: I remember it was. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: The thing is we were I remember being on spring
Speaker 1: break in the Bahamas, and I swore that Glenn Rice
Speaker 1: not only never missed a shot that I saw in
Speaker 1: that tournament.
Speaker 4: He hit the hit every time.
Speaker 5: That was the greatest shooting. That was the greatest shooting
Speaker 5: exhibition you will ever see.
Speaker 4: But you know it's funny.
Speaker 5: Last night on YouTube, Gillia, I was watching the Barry
Speaker 5: Goheen against the Pit Panthers. Knocking Pit was like number
Speaker 5: one team that year, number two, And I don't know why.
Speaker 5: I popped up on my on my YouTube and I
Speaker 5: was watching a little bit of it. And it's so
Speaker 5: funny to watch the game with the three point shot
Speaker 5: that directly touches the top of the key.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 5: The game is so much more compacted than it is today.
Speaker 5: And you're watching it and you're like, oh, there's a
Speaker 5: three that looks really short. And the guy makes the three.
Speaker 5: You know, Sean Miller, who's the coach now of what's
Speaker 5: it all? It was the point guard and he's like
Speaker 5: making these easy threes and it's like.
Speaker 4: Really funny to watch it.
Speaker 5: I'm sure if you watch that eighty nine game it
Speaker 5: would also be interesting to watch.
Speaker 1: That's right, the three point line intersected with the top
Speaker 1: of the key. That's how short the three point line was.
Speaker 5: Although and one year the ACC moved the three point
Speaker 5: line for experimental reasons just during ACC torn ACC play.
Speaker 5: They moved the three point line halfway from the foul
Speaker 5: line to the top of the key. It was like
Speaker 5: it was like two feet shorter. It was like the
Speaker 5: shortest three point line of all time. If you go
Speaker 5: back and look in the eighties, there's games where they're
Speaker 5: taking threes, they're like seventeen foot shots instead of nineteen nine.
Speaker 4: It's really funny to watch.
Speaker 1: All right, then all we can do. So both Will
Speaker 1: and Todd have Mississippi State getting to the final four.
Speaker 1: He didn't talk about it before this.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: And you also have South Carolina in your final four
Speaker 1: as well, Toddy. So there are your headlines that Will
Speaker 1: had a Yale winning in the in the opening round
Speaker 1: as well as a bracketbuster.
Speaker 5: If you guys want to make money, for sure, just
Speaker 5: bet against South Carolina in the first round and also
Speaker 5: in Mississippi State because I'm sure both of my final
Speaker 5: fourtunes will go down in the round.
Speaker 1: Because this can't possibly happen two years in a row, right, No, can't.
Speaker 5: Just like Gilly, you should fade Gilly the first five
Speaker 5: weeks of the NFL Megapod season next year because he
Speaker 5: can possibly be as good as he was this year. There,
Speaker 5: it is all right, we're you like thirty eight and fifteen?
Speaker 5: What was the final score? Something crazy?
Speaker 1: Awesomeness was it was? What it was?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't look.
Speaker 5: I'm the first guy to say he's not a great broadcaster,
Speaker 5: but hell boy does he make some big in the Megapod.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Tod, appreciate Todd Wishnev everybody at t wish
Speaker 1: neev who was killing in college basketball for most.
Speaker 4: Of this year, and it was and then I had
Speaker 4: a terrible drop off. But this past week was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you were feeling it though. Man, no one
Speaker 1: takes it to heart more than you do for those
Speaker 1: who are following you. So we know that that was
Speaker 1: not fun for you.
Speaker 3: Not to elongate this anymore, Sorry, but Todd, did you
Speaker 3: I do think it's important going forward for the tournament?
Speaker 3: Did we notice a change in the fouling in the
Speaker 3: conference tournament? And do we think that has.
Speaker 1: Any itolation in the good question?
Speaker 4: That's so funny that you said that.
Speaker 5: I think we did see more fouling in the conference
Speaker 5: tournaments than we saw in the regular season. I would
Speaker 5: still say, though we still did not see as much
Speaker 5: as we used to see. A perfect example was Wisconsin
Speaker 5: Illinois yesterday. Willie had under one eighty and a half
Speaker 5: with thirty six seconds left. The scores nineties, so lucky
Speaker 5: eighty seven. That's one hundred and eighty. If you're scoring
Speaker 5: a zero. Wisconsin comes down, there's no chance Willie can
Speaker 5: win this game. Absolutely no chance. Wisconsin missus a three.
Speaker 4: Get to the rebound scrum around. This is another three
Speaker 4: scrum around.
Speaker 5: Illinois somehow gets the ball with fifteen seconds left. They
Speaker 5: throw it the length of a court to a guy
Speaker 5: who typically would go in and dunk it because there's
Speaker 5: no one there. Not only does he not dunk it,
Speaker 5: but Illinois doesn't foul him with around twelve seconds left
Speaker 5: and the game ends ninety to eighty seven. I would
Speaker 5: grant you that that is probably the most unlikely winning
Speaker 5: ever gonna get Willy.
Speaker 1: Well, So here's my question with that. So what this
Speaker 1: is is based on the fact in the regular season
Speaker 1: college basketball teams did not foul at the end of
Speaker 1: games like they used to. And it's almost like a
Speaker 1: memo guy, and like an email was sent around and
Speaker 1: everybody agreed to this. Yeah, they all agreed to this
Speaker 1: at the same time, like we're gonna play this like
Speaker 1: the pros. We're not gonna elongate these games. We're just
Speaker 1: gonna do this differently. It's like their version of load management,
Speaker 1: where they're just like, let's move on to the next game.
Speaker 1: So we figure as the game's got more consequential that
Speaker 1: this would change back to how it was. But here
Speaker 1: you're talking about a big ten championship game right where
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, what's a Big ten championship? They
Speaker 1: give a shit about winning that. But even that, it
Speaker 1: was almost like a quid pro court at the end
Speaker 1: where they're like, well, he didn't dunk it, so I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna foul.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked in a half hour, let's go watch the selection.
Speaker 1: What'd you say? No, yeah, the game was a half hour.
Speaker 2: Before the selection.
Speaker 1: That's right. Maybe they yeah, get out of here.
Speaker 2: But here, here's the thing.
Speaker 5: They threw the ball out to Hawkins who had it
Speaker 5: and he and he instead of going in for the donkey,
Speaker 5: just curled back out. And I would say there was
Speaker 5: still like twelve seconds of down six with twelve seconds
Speaker 5: in the past used to be for sure a foul,
Speaker 5: and they didn't even they didn't even do it. So
Speaker 5: I still contend that they did it more so physic
Speaker 5: was right. They did it more than they did in
Speaker 5: the regular season. There's no doubt he was correct.
Speaker 2: But I still contend to don't what I think is
Speaker 2: always right.
Speaker 5: We know that always yeah, But I'm saying they still
Speaker 5: don't do it as much as they used to in
Speaker 5: the old time.
Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp, all number one seats. This is unbelievable.
Speaker 4: By the way.
Speaker 5: Speaking of which, if you remember the Missouri if you
Speaker 5: remember the Princeton Missouri game last year in the NCAA Tournament,
Speaker 5: I had under one forty one and a half and
Speaker 5: I was winning by a million.
Speaker 4: It was impossible for me to lose this game.
Speaker 5: Missouri were a bunch of like, uh sore losers and
Speaker 5: started fouling with two minutes left.
Speaker 4: I literally was going.
Speaker 3: To they're fouling down twenty. It's not like they're down eight.
Speaker 3: They're literally downtown.
Speaker 4: Twenty with two minutes left, and in the South Point.
Speaker 5: The entire place was laughing at me because every time
Speaker 5: they were found, I was like blowing my my, my,
Speaker 5: my top, and people were thought I was going to
Speaker 5: have a heart attack.
Speaker 4: But I ended up winning by half.
Speaker 1: All right, boys, thank you. Can't thank you enough. Todd
Speaker 1: Wishev Showtime, Docusaries Action t Wishev on Twitter. If you're
Speaker 1: not down with this college basketball, you're still letting people
Speaker 1: in there or it's I mean, it's a yeah.
Speaker 5: I just I just didn't get around to adding a
Speaker 5: lot of people late in the season, especially because I
Speaker 5: wasn't doing well late in the season, so you know.
Speaker 4: Hopefully I'll get adding people again.
Speaker 1: All right, Will Hill at not be Will Hill on Twitter,
Speaker 1: Todds at t wish neev should a bet More podcast
Speaker 1: is the name of his podcast, and he's also on
Speaker 1: the bear bet SPoD with Chris Felikan Company.
Speaker 4: You're surprised I'm not on the betspot. How come I'm
Speaker 4: not on the bear bet spot.
Speaker 1: Well, little anti semitism obviously, I mean, other than that,
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 4: It's against renowned Jews.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is. Thanks boys, appreciate it. Thank
Speaker 1: you for listening. Good luck with all your brackets, good
Speaker 1: luck with all your bets. March Madness, twenty twenty four,