WEBVTT - Steve Hoefer Meets World 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.279 Something that that I've It comes up on my Instagram 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:22.560 feed every once in a while, I think because of 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.239 the body's world. But I've also seen this before and 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.080 you can find it on YouTube. Have you guys ever 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.320 watched Henry Thomas's audition for ET. We've talked about this. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:32.840 It's yeah, we talked about this. It's it's daggering. 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:34.159 I haven't seen it. 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:37.120 Oh my gosh, it's so wonderful. He's like eight or 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.199 nine years old. He's improvising with the casting director and 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.720 they're just The casting director is just, you know, pretend 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.800 you have an alien in your house and you don't 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:46.320 want to give him over to the government, and they 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.320 just improvise and he is so present, he's so real. 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:51.760 And then at the end of the audition you can 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.400 hear Spielberg say, well you got the job, kid, and 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.320 it's it's incredible. But it just made me think about, like, 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.880 do you guys have like a favorite child actor performance 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:06.560 like all time? Like, hands down, this is the best. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.160 I mean, Henry thomasin ET is up there for me, 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:10.560 you know, but I thought you. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:14.839 Met like our own performances if we had r moment, 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.480 So you met, you meant a different kid. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.440 I mean when you watch movies or TV shows, like, 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.280 when you look back, what do you have, like a 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.160 you know, because there's been there have been kids who 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:28.880 won Academy Awards or nominated, and I think it's a yeah, 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:30.080 do you have of course? 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:31.840 I mean, well there's a there's a bunch, And for me, 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.640 they were never I mean, the performances were great, but 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.160 it was more like and I want to do that 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.000 or I want to be in that kind of movie 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.360 kind of moment. Like there was an amazing movie that 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:42.640 meant so much for me when I was a kid 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:50.400 called The Experts, no Explorers, excuse me, called the Explorers, Explorers, 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.760 Young River, Phoenix unfortunately the third kid who we don't 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.600 know who that is, but it was it was three 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:01.800 great young performances in this really cool movie where they 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.480 get the first half of that movie is amazing. 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:05.680 Once they get to space, it's really weird. It's still 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:06.080 good though. 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.160 I love it because again for me, it was about 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.880 they finally meet the alien who's learned everything by watching TV. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:14.640 And so my whole life is about watching TV. That 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.160 makes sense to you. So it was oh so performances 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:18.760 like it was a fact. It was very goonies. It 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:20.840 was like I was gonna says, is another one? Where 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.279 is another one? Stand by Me? You know those performances 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.280 in stand By Me? It's those one for me easily. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.080 And I you know, like because when I was thinking 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.600 about this question, I remember this article that I read 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:38.120 years ago that that talked about how child how child 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:42.120 characters are written in movies and TV, and often they're 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.880 reduced to like one or two things. It's like either 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:50.000 they are a kid that is like a completely not 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.240 understandable character. They're like crazy, they're just making noise and 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:57.720 being chaotic, or they're written as a mini adult like 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.440 they are a precocious you know, they're they're they're more 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.320 sophisticated than they So it's like kid characters tend to 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.520 only have one of those two modes. And so you know, 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.679 and I was thinking about like Tatum O'Neil and Paper Moon, 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.520 which is one of my favorite movies of all time. 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.200 She's incredible, she won the Academy Award for it, but 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.840 it's kind of a false character. It's not like a kid. 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.519 It's one of these precocious adults in a little kid's 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.840 body characters. So I was trying to think of movies 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:26.560 where kids were just kids like me. Stand By Me 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.760 is the gold standard because it's like in stand By Me, 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.600 they are you can see all four of them are 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.920 just in real time being kids with each other. They're 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.119 not being It's so realistic for how twelve year olds 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.720 actually talk to each other. And at the time, I mean, 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:42.880 when I first discovered it, I mean, and I don't 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.560 think this is news to anybody, but like River Phoenix 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.920 was my hero, you know, like basically that's who I 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.280 wanted to be as an actor. But now when I 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.880 look back and stand By Me, Jerry O'Connell steals that movie. 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:58.360 He's the youngest and he is so amazing, and I'm like, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.320 I'm I'm so happy to like call Jerry a friend 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.000 now because you know, I worked with his wife and 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.480 and and I just he is so good in that 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.400 movie because he's the most present, he's he's all the 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.360 comic relief and there's just no pretense about like what 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.200 he's doing. He just steals the whole movie. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.360 So you want to see other other great child performances 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.159 where kids are just kids, go back and watch your 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:20.360 original Bad News Bears. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.560 Oh you know, I've never seen it. Oh, it's so good. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.760 Tatamonial, such a good movie. How about me, Danielle, do 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:29.320 you have kid performances that you like? 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.359 I agree obviously with both of you. Those all of 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.000 those performances are incredible. But to add a more recent 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.279 one into the mix, I would like to say Brooklyn 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.680 Prince in The Florida Project. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.640 Did you guys see The Florida Project? 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:41.760 Oh? 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:48.640 Yeah, yeah, movie though. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:51.560 Very tough movie, but her performance is amazing. And then 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:56.520 also I do not remember the actress's name, but after Son, 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.080 the kid in after Son. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.040 See I see that one either. I gotta see that right. 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:03.799 So, I mean those are a little more recent. 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:10.920 They're both gut wrenching movies, but truly unbelievable performances. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:11.400 That is it. 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:15.960 Abigail Breslin from Little Miss Sunshine too, another amazing prmans 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:17.720 all the way around. Yeah there are some. Yeah, there 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.560 have been some some killer ones. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:19.880 Yeah. 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.440 Been great? Yeah? Interesting. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.240 Well, welcome to Pod Meets World. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.200 I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm Right or Strong, and I'm Wilfredell 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.920 And it is a big week for Pod Meets World Live. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.400 We're back on the road and in three new cities. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.279 So join us this Friday, October thirteenth, ew Friday the 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.800 thirteenth Spooky in Cleveland, Ohio at the Mimi Ohio Theater, 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.599 or Saturday October fourteenth, which isn't spooky at all, in 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.800 Toronto at the Queen Elizabeth Theater. 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We can't wait to meet you. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.400 Hey everyone, it's Sophia Bush, host of the podcast Work 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.960 in Progress. Yes, I am thrilled to tell you that 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:06.120 Work in Progress is back for a third season. My friends, 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.000 it has never been more important than right now for 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.840 us to have all of these big conversations together. We 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.640 are going to get educated, a little bit enlightened, and 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.600 we will definitely be entertained. I started Work in Progress 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.000 because I'm a curious person, and I realized there are 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.720 so many people I get to speak to that are 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:31.360 fascinating and rare, and so I thought, why not take 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.800 these conversations out into the world. I'm going to be 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:40.560 having deep chats with thought leaders, newsmakers, celebrities, entertainers, authors, 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:44.680 elected officials, and more. You can join us and listen 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:48.920 to work in Progress on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:57.920 or wherever you listen to podcasts. 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.920 One of the funnier aspects to doing this podcast is 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.400 that certain sayings or pieces of dialogue or catchphrases from 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.680 our time on Boy Meets World that have followed us 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.360 for over thirty years in our personal lives are now 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.520 being shared with you, making the inside part of inside 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.280 jokes a bit more outside. Whether it's the kids want 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:24.120 to jump? Or is he mad? Or even Strafty Bright. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.280 The little secret things that meant a lot to us 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.640 now mean a lot to a lot of us, and 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.520 that is something we never could have predicted coming into 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.440 Pod meets World. And this week we meet someone who 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:40.240 not only creatively affected almost every episode of Boy Meets World, 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.400 but one of his major life moments created a sentence 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.040 that the child stars of this show would yell at 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:50.120 each other for years and even now as adults, almost 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.880 like a pre Internet meme amongst friends. That sentence is 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.880 Steve's having a baby. But we will get more into 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:02.200 that later. Steve Hayfer turned usc education and early twenties 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:06.280 job at Universal Studios into a wildly impressive sitcom career, 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.640 starting as a PA on The Fresh Prince of bel 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.080 Air and eventually becoming the stage manager for Boy Meets World, 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.720 where he was so beloved he was given the chance 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:18.040 to direct his first episode of TV season seven's As 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.440 Time Goes By and He Has Never Looked back. Steve 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.040 went on to direct over thirty episodes of the highly 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:28.440 influential Nickelodeon variety show All That, then almost forty episodes 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.040 of I carly Tons of Zoe One oh one, Drake 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.480 and Josh, Victorious, Sam and Kat, Game Shakers, and most 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.880 recently another thirty five episodes of Henry Danger. Are we 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:43.480 responsible for his success being the first cast he ever directed, Yeah, 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.760 I feel good saying that thanks for asking, and though 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.240 I doubt he will have a baby with him today, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.880 we are excited to welcome a mainstay behind the scenes 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.800 of Boy Meets World and a legend behind the camera. 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.600 This week's Pod Meets World guest is Steve Hayfer. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.880 Hello, we can hear you. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.440 You got to turn that camera. I know it's not 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.120 responding like us when you try to get us on set. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:20.080 We just blink at you. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:26.160 See you you too, You dude, are. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:27.840 We one of those cast pictures behind you? 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.280 Uh no, but you are? 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.720 Yes? Yes, O. 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:35.120 Love that. 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:40.520 Yes, my son put that one together for me. So yeah, 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.080 it's in a special place, dead center over my credenza. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:46.040 I love that. 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.839 Oh that's the best. And you almost never get to 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:50.160 hear credenza anymore. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.680 I know, we don't know that because it's it's wonderful, 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:54.840 it's perfect. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.079 Well, god knows, Ikea doesn't use that word. 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:00.679 Different. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:05.920 Yeah, Oh, Steve, thank you so much for being here 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:06.360 with us. 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.960 Oh, it's a pleasure. It's a pleasure. So good to 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.920 see you all. I've seen Danielle probably the most recently. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:19.040 I saw Will way back at my fortieth birthday party. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:23.560 And yeah, and Rider Bobby, it's been forever. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:25.760 I don't I don't think i've seen you since rap, 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:30.360 like right, maybe we've had lunch after the like maybe 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.400 within the couple of years after the show, but. 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.840 Yeah, and I don't remember. I did a pilot with Shiloh, 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.640 your brother, and Betty White and Marie Osmon, and I 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.840 think you might have dropped by, but I'm not even 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:44.880 one hundred percent sure that was after we wrapped. 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.800 That might have been like, yeah, yeah, that was still 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:49.520 during boy, Yeah we're still shooting. 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:50.480 So wow. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.480 Yeah, I saw Steve because Steve was the one of 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.720 the first people I ever shadowed when I when I 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.920 was attempting to become a director, and Steve let me 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.920 shadow him and he was the absolute best, and he 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.679 gave me all kinds of pointers and tips and tricks 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.200 and and uh and sent me on my way. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.599 It was I remember that week. It was one of 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.160 the most chaotic weeks backstage. There was drama that you 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:16.680 don't even know. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:18.839 I would love to know. 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:22.800 I'm not even completely privy to it, but it was 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.920 one of those weeks and I would have loved to 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.320 have set and just talked with you more and more. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.000 But it was one of those things. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.480 Yeah, crazy, Yeah. Steve was also a lot of people 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:32.719 don't know. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.760 Steve was also the third leg of the Will Tony 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.480 Steve tripod. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:39.040 We would be. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.760 Playing golf and doing all that, so we were out 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.280 quite a bit with with Hayfer as well. So yes, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:46.840 it was uh, it was fun. 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.199 And sometimes you and Tony were out without me and 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.080 you were telling me you were coming back or weren't going 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:53.400 to be able to make it to a run through. 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.080 Just stress you up, just stress. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.200 Tony and I are playing the horrible trick on Steve, 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.079 which is oh man. We thought it was so funny 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.160 until that door opens and there's Steve's face like, what 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:08.959 are you doing to me? 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:10.000 And we felt so bad. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.480 We felt so bad after that. 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.959 Oh my, yeah, And I was like a weird parent. 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:17.320 I was like, I'm glad you're saying, but. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.800 Yeah, exactly, I'm just disappointed in you both. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:26.000 It was like, oh no, no, exactly exactly. 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.240 So Steve, we like to start with all of our 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.880 guests kind of at their origin story. So do you 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.200 remember your job at Universal Studios? Do you have any 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.400 great That's where you started right as a PA. Do 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.000 you remember that experience? 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:40.520 Well? 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.640 I originally started as a tour guide. I was pointing 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.080 out the Rubber Shark and the Psycho House and everything, 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:50.720 and that was during my senior year at USC. I 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.040 needed some money and so that was a good gig 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.360 and they were flexible with hours and all that. But 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:59.200 so then I made contacts there and started as a 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.640 set PA for the show Coach. They were finishing up 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.520 their first full season, because I believe they were a 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.040 mid season replacement show, but they really had hired me 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.719 to do a pilot just you know, so I was 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:15.400 answering phones and helping the ads on set stuff like that. 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:18.200 That pilot was called have a Nice Day. It was 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:22.280 about the seventies. Really funny didn't get picked up and 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.160 then six seven years later that seventies show, so it's 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:26.040 all about timing. 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:27.440 Wow. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.720 But then those producers took me to another show, which 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.200 was The Fresh Prince of bel Air, so I got 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.720 to experience that it was Brandon Tartakoff's last show that 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:41.320 he brought to NBC or that shepherd through NBC. I 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.320 stayed with them for two years, did regular production assistant work, 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.840 some post production is set to work, and then those 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.120 producers got me into the Directors Guild to be second 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.040 second ad or at that time third stage manager, to 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.800 run the background for a sitcoms that started Patty LaBelle, 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:03.600 Morris Chestnut, Vivika fac Dwayne Martin and that was called 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.240 Out All Night. That only lasted for about thirteen episodes. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.760 But that's where I really got to know Lynn McCracken better, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:16.120 who I had met at Fresh Prince, and then she 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.400 had this new project and she said, I really want 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.160 a male second for me because she had a regular 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:29.440 female Renie Holmes, who's a fantastic ad So because you 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.960 guys mean, Will ryder Ben and Lee Norris were going 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.000 to be the main guys, and so she just wanted 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.960 a male figure in the ad team, so she brought 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.440 me on. Arlene Grayson beloved. Arlene had a friend also 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.160 who she wanted to be the second. So that guy 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.560 who was also named was Steve. He was there for 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:53.360 the first three weeks, I believe, our first run of three, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.200 and then either he got another gig or something. But 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.720 I also know his way of working in Lynn's way 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.960 of working were two different things also. So then anyway, 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.720 then I moved up from running background for your first 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.760 three weeks up to the second ad position and then 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.520 season three is when it became your first AD. And 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:17.040 after Arlene passed, Karen McCain had become our main producer, 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.320 so she and I kind of went through trial by 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.880 fire together and so I always have fond members of Karen. 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.920 But so that was kind of it. 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.320 That is, that is quite a story to go from 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:33.760 tram guy to you know, on Fresh Prince to running 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.680 a stage within three four years. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.920 Uh, yeah, you're probably closer to four or five. Yeah, five, 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.520 But yeah I was. I was the most blessed person 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:46.960 on earth, that's for sure. 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.240 I remember you told me a story. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.160 Didn't you tell me a story once about how you 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.960 weren't When you're a tour guide, you're not supposed to 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:56.600 point out the ambulance building. 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:01.320 Yes, why can you tell a little bit about that? 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.240 Yeah? It was Steven Spielberg's a production company for those 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.600 who don't know, And it was this cool Adobe building 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.480 just looked different than all the others, still universal buildings, 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:16.200 And if trams got stopped there due to filming happening 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.399 on the back lot, sometimes trams would get backed up 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.960 and you might be stopped right there in front of 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.000 the road that leads your right to amblin. You can 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.000 see it, and I guess they worked it out so 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.040 you wouldn't point it out, and people wouldn't try to 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:28.640 sneak on the lot to go, because this is right 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.320 in the height of VT had just come out, and 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.600 you know, he was Jaws had already been out close encounters. 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.560 He was at the height of his popularity back then, 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:39.720 So I think it was more of just a security measure. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.320 But of course, most tour guides were famous for doing 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.680 things they shouldn't be doing on their last tram. Ever, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.800 when they knew that they were quitting and they were leaving, 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.280 and they would do all sorts of things like point 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:55.080 out amblin. Or one guide walked through the Red Sea, 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.160 got on, says follow me, and he led the tram 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.880 through the Red Sea as it was partying. Another took 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.560 his shoes and threw it into the ice tunnel, which 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.919 is just like a big clothes dryer. And so for 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.200 the next eight trams that went through, these shoes would 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.280 go up the side and tumble back down, and go 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.159 up the side and tumble back down. And that's what 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.920 everybody got treated to. That was gig. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.160 Were you there when they were filming the Burbs? 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:27.320 Yes, they just did soundstage work for the most part. 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.440 I don't think they're out on the back lot too much. 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.160 So what we got to see other than the call sheet. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.760 We get everybody's call sheet that day, so we knew 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.359 who was filming. Norman ly your head, you know, the 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.800 Jeffersons and simmer Spoons, always going on murder, she wrote 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:45.160 night Writer. Once in a while air Wolf would show 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.880 up there the A team was always off campus somewhere, 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.199 so we never see them. But it was a lot 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:51.560 of fun. 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.200 So that's awesome. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:54.920 Do you still remember the tramscript? 0:18:56.000 --> 0:19:01.600 Oh? Jeeze. If I had an old fashioned I would 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:06.159 probably recall more than I care to realize. 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.639 Oh man, I also want to talk to you about 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.080 the show you mentioned out All Night starring Patty Leabelle 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.080 Moor's Chestnut, Vivica A Fox, Taj Maury and then you 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.520 guys had appearances by TLC, Mary J. Blige, Dion Warwick, 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.479 Gladys Knight, Luther Vandross Boys to men, Marky Mark and 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.480 Bobby Brown just to name a few. 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:27.040 Yeah, who only went thirteen? I know, why did that 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.600 only go thirteen? With all those people in oh? 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.280 Then because her premise, her premise was that she was 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.800 a nightclub owner, and so there was always about gearing 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.040 up for whatever is happening at the club that week, 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.959 and then somebody would come on, you know, whether it's 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:45.199 Natalie Coledyon, Warwick, Luther, Vanjos, everybody that Daniel just mentioned. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.000 And so that was fun we got to see them, 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.000 but it also brought its own version of chaos every week, 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.760 you know, because they their reps and their people had 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.240 different agendas and the way they handle things. But we 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.199 always had lots of of people in the club and 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.200 that was my gig, was trying to you know, run 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:08.080 the background there and learned a lot about crowd management 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:08.560 on that show. 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.840 Did you have a favorite guest star or a favorite 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:12.720 story from that show? 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:18.679 From that show, Dion Warwick was fantastic. I just remember 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.040 loving her. Luther Randress was a lot of fun. He 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.879 was it was hard to contain. He was almost like 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:27.920 the dog on up that he'd be talking to you 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:29.720 and all of a sudden you'd see somebody he'd recognize 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:31.320 to go oh, and he go running on. You know, 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:32.920 wait wait, wait, no, we were heading to this set 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:34.960 because they literally need us in ten seconds. You know, 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:41.040