1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is known. They called 6 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: Alexis code named dot Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It is one of our 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: favorite times of the week. Happy February three, everybody. This 11 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: is our first listener mail segment of the month. It's 12 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: where we scour social media, we dig in through all 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: these amazing phone calls, we talk track uh off the books, 14 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: in these places, just off the edge of the map 15 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: of mainstream culture, and then we come to you with 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: some stories that we think you should know, if not enjoy, 17 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: from the best part of the show, your fellow conspiracy realists, 18 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: We are going to have a suggestion for an episode 19 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: that's one of our favorite things. By the way, keep 20 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: sending those. We're going to share a story with you 21 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: that we don't want to spoil. In the world of 22 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: aviation uh we're also going to talk about We're going 23 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: to continue our conversation about the nature of creation, nature 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 1: of intellectual property and art. And before we do any 25 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: of that, we're going to share a partially redacted story 26 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: from a good friend of ours, a fellow conspiracy realist 27 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: who has God, who has decided to go by the 28 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: name and so, without further ado, here is um. M 29 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: says a couple of really nice things at the beginning 30 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: of this missive but those are going to be redacted. 31 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: We're not going to share those. We'll start here. Says. Okay, 32 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: that part will let up. But uh in in uh 33 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: in this letter, M says, in a previous life, I 34 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: served as an Army infantry officer from two thousand and 35 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: airborne ranger C. I b all the hits, all the 36 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: good stuff. That's just me doing Dennis Reynolds uh so 37 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: him continues, Here's some pretty wild stuff they don't want 38 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: you to know. The military waste amazing amounts of money, 39 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: even outside the big ticket projects like the F thirty 40 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: five that everyone knows about. Let's pause here, guys, because 41 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: I think we all, we all separately, at some point 42 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: in our lives, learned about the massive amounts of cash 43 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: the military waste. Remember those coffee cups, those like heated 44 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: coffee mugs that we've found out they washed. That was 45 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: This is a long time ago, but that was the 46 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: most frivolous and bizarre example of that. It was like 47 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: it had some sort of motor in it. It was 48 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: proprietary kind of like technology that was designed to keep 49 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: your coffee hot. Yeah, and it's hammers also, like your 50 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: garden variety hammer you would have in your tool kid 51 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: at home. Uh, toilet seats also, it's I think those 52 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 1: stories often break because you hear them presented as evidence 53 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: of corruption and graft. Right, these sweetheart deals and smoky 54 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: back rooms where you know, technically you're supposed to go 55 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: for the lowest reliable bid for a lot of these things. 56 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: We should do it, you know, we should do an 57 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: episode about government contracts. Right, I can't believe we haven't 58 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: done that anyway. Can can we drop how much program cost? 59 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: The cost? Oh? Yeah, the program not per unit? It right? 60 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: This is develop and deploy five including training and all 61 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: that stuff. All this is what I've seen. So it 62 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: was currently when I last checked in, when I guess 63 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: a billion around four billion dollars. Oh my, what I 64 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: would be serious? Yeah, I said a billion. That's an 65 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: unfathomable number. That it's not one plane, it's you know, 66 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of planes across the entire thing, but 67 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: it's it was projected a little bit after that, um too. 68 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: I think fully cost around one point seven trillion or 69 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: something ridiculous like this. Now that does that number? To 70 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: be fair, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but 71 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: to be fair, that number factors in a ton of research, design, 72 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: research and design. It factors in a ton of support infrastructure. 73 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: Because when you when you look at a fighter jet, 74 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,799 Speaker 1: um any time that it's field ready or service ready, 75 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: what you're really looking at is a culmination of a 76 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: lot of other projects. Right, Well, you tries, you might 77 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: sometimes you have to redesign all the stuff you thought 78 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: you had nailed down. And it could be really small stuff. 79 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: It could be like, oh, we have to we have 80 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: to change the brackets on this one thing, and that's 81 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: another multimillion dollar problem. Yeah, but in like planes, really 82 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: small stuff can equal really big stuff. Not to mention 83 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: in a military situation. I'm talking about like commercial planes, 84 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, the smaller it is actually the more 85 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 1: expensive it is to make because of you know, miniaturization, 86 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: and you just imagine, and you know, I don't know 87 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: how much of this is true. I don't have an 88 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: insight directly to some general or admiral or somebody. But theoretically, 89 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: some high level person can get really stoked about a 90 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: particular small thing like you're talking about, and then the 91 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: whole project, the whole thing has to be retired. Have 92 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: you guys seen this coffee? Like, I mean, are you? 93 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: I have put this coff be in there like an 94 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: hour and a half ago, and look it's still it's lukewarm, 95 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: but it's it's stepid steps that keeps your coffee quite warm. 96 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: And so let's let's get back to this email with 97 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: uh we divert here because we wanted to UH want 98 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: to ask you, fellow conspiracy realists, if you are comfortable, 99 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: let us know your most hilarious story of government or 100 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: large corporation waste that you've seen, because everybody's got one 101 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: at this point, almost no matter what industry you're in. 102 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: So back to M. M. Says. As a junior officer 103 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: and platoon leader in Afghanistan, I personally sent over thirty 104 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: million dollars worth of vehicles and equipment off to be 105 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: destroyed in a nearby airfield. This was just the gear 106 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: I was responsible for as a low level officer. Uh 107 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: in the surge OFFSTA was I mean to an end. 108 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: So we had orders to demilitarize our trucks and some 109 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: of our larger weapons systems. Three million dollar gun trucks 110 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: were disassembled and shredded. Demilitarizes means like destroying. Basically, it's 111 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: sort of like a buzz term. Yeah, it could mean, 112 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: it could mean a couple of things, like, um, it 113 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: could be destroying. Civilian comparison would also be like if 114 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: you buy its armed car auction, right and you get 115 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: a former police vehicle, then it's not going to have 116 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, police get whatever. And I mean I know, yeah, yeah, 117 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. Ye. So so there 118 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: there are a couple of different directions would go, we're 119 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: not experts on this. We mainly these days concentrate on 120 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: on doing our our little podcast and we're not actively 121 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: preparing vehicles for civilian years. I think I could say that, 122 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: but so okay. M also says two thousand dollar machine 123 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: gun optics were smacked to be clear, we tried but 124 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: failed to save many of these property items by transferring 125 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: it to our garrison property book. But destroying these items 126 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: were the orders we had received, disposition orders we had received, 127 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: and you have to follow orders basically. So the communicated 128 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: rationale for this was that flying these vehicles back was 129 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: deemed cost ineffective. What that means is the official rationale 130 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: here was that it will we will be saving money 131 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: by destroying millions of dollars worth of equipment versus flying 132 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: it back to use it somewhere else. And that's uh yeah, 133 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: But then don't you when't you have to just build 134 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: more of them next time? Uh mind, reader, Matt, But 135 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: this is next gen stuff though, right these are like 136 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: the old models, So the ones they're going to build 137 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: are like the new better version a case that are 138 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: still out there in the world that there were manufactured. Right. Well, 139 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: that's the thing, because it seems M shares a bit 140 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: of our skepticism here, M says, I suspect the real 141 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: reason for this destruction is that these mechanized platforms will 142 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: need to be reordered for the next conflict, also by 143 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: a private company. By the way, not to spoil M's 144 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: discourse here, uh see the current war in Ukraine and 145 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: all of the mechanized assets we are sending. This came 146 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: to us, by the way, right around the time the 147 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: Biden administration said, you know, yolo thirty one more abrams 148 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: for Ukraine or thirty one abrams in general. And so 149 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: is this a bookkeeping thing? Is this about like justifying 150 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: expenditure and like, you know, showing progress and whatever. I'm sorry, please, 151 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: those M can answer better than I could, So M 152 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: says the mind resistant vehicles need to be reordered from 153 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: General dynam emmics, Aerial surveillance assets need to be bought 154 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: from Boeing, Air to ground munitions need to be bought 155 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: from raytheon. This is not so much a waste of 156 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: taxpayer money as a transfer payment to defense contractors and 157 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: their shareholders and to our lawmakers who were oh wait 158 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: also shareholders in the defense industry and so military industrial 159 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: complex people are always screaming about. Yes, And before Eisenhower 160 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: was forced to edit that speech, this is a true story. 161 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: He called it the military industrial congressional complex. And some 162 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: powerful forces made him take that that big sea out. 163 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: So this the thing that we're seeing here, and we 164 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: don't want to put words in your mouth. Then is 165 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: that these things are being destroyed, right, the rational being 166 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: they're too expensive to fly back to Uncle Sam territory. 167 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: But when they're replaced by another order, to a private 168 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: defense contractor they're just building the same thing. Again, they're 169 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: not necessarily next gen, so it's not next But haven't 170 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: the right But again Devil's advocate, haven't they already? They've 171 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: gotten their money's worth out of them at this point 172 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: to some degree, one must hope. Well, uh, the defense 173 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: defense corporations first off that yes, they do provide a 174 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: lot of valuable stuff in research, but they also are 175 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: private therefore profit seeking entities first and foremost. And to 176 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: pretend anything is other than the cases either cartoonishly ignorant 177 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: or purposely misleading. Uh. They're also um you know, they 178 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: got some sidelines and other businesses, lobbying being a huge one. 179 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: Uh that's another revenue stream if you think about it. 180 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: Check out our chapter on labby anyway, So so this 181 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: is and and M is cognizant of this. And remember 182 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: M has the more uh impactful firsthand experience you could 183 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: have on this outside of being the politicians and the 184 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: private corporation leaders making these backroom deals. So him continues saying, 185 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: I often think of the good that could have been 186 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: done back home with all of that money, like for 187 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: giving medical debt, expanding nutritional assistance, and repairing failing infrastructure. 188 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: Just so you know, I don't know if this will 189 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: be on YouTube, and but just so you know, all 190 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: three of us are nodding, and this sort of take 191 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: us to church right on kind of way, and take 192 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: me to church. So dying like a dog those zer aside, 193 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: maybe that's what he's talking about. Two. Um, yeah, I 194 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: think it's mainly about this. But you know, uh M says, 195 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: I think that's some heavy stuff. They don't want you 196 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: to know that all the money we need to make 197 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: the lives of our citizens better exist, we just choose 198 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: to send it to defense contractors and their shareholders. And 199 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: the way you were writing, and this story that you're 200 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: telling is a story that I wish more people knew 201 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: in the US. I wish was talked about more often 202 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: and not relegated to the fringe of conversation. And and 203 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: and from the way you right, I assume that you 204 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: are also painfully aware of that Eisenhower's speech, which you 205 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: only made when he was on the way out. If not, 206 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: If anybody hasn't heard that, do check it out. Read 207 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: the transcript. Is the argument that is just like too 208 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: important to like be a little more frugal with these 209 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: military budgets. I would say that's probably the argument a 210 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: lot of politicians would make. Yeah, the idea is that 211 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: you can you can spend all the livelong day saying 212 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: this is a waste of money. But you are doing 213 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: that because that quote unquote waste of money has preserved 214 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: a world order that allows you to freedom to complain 215 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: in that regard, and there there is some validity to it. 216 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: But you can't be absolutist about this. There's a spectrum, 217 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and it's used in rhetoric. 218 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: The spectrum is we are being gas lit h collectively, 219 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: you know, as taxpayers by this argument, I would argue. 220 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: So M says, I have other more fun, spooky stories 221 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: from my time as a soldier. This I thought would 222 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: be enjoyable too, and not as depressing as the reality 223 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: of wide scale defense grift. Uh M says, I'm pretty 224 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: sure I saw a cryptic big cat in the pan 225 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: district using an infrared scope maybe a snow leopard, but 226 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: it was if so, it was far outside its home range. 227 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: And when I deployed to Southeast Asia, some of the 228 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: host nation soldiers we trained swore they encountered black magic 229 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: insurgents who could teleport in the jungle. But this email 230 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: is getting along anyway, keep up the good work. That 231 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: last statement. For for a second, I pictured the cryptid 232 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: being armed with an infrared scope like it was some 233 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: sort of like you know, golden compass, like weaponized bear. 234 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: Just for the record, but the person writing this email 235 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: observed this using and panjway just for anyone who wants 236 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: the place, and that it is in the Kandahar province 237 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: of Afghanistan. Think of kandahart like a state. Pengi is 238 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: like a Panjwai is like a a county inside of state. 239 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: So that to me, that last part two seems very enticing, 240 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: And because there are a lot of stories like that, 241 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: especially when people are out in the wilderness, you know, 242 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: away from cities, we forget how wide and wild the 243 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: world is. The nutso thing is that a lot of 244 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: those stories do end up coming from people in the 245 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: armed services of one country or another, and because of that, 246 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: they often don't get reported as people don't want to 247 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: be a laughing stock or they don't want to endanger 248 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: their career prospects. That's the same reason it took so 249 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: long for Air Force and Navy pilots to report all 250 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: the weird stuff they saw in the sky. I just 251 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: think there's an interesting there's an interesting threat or comparison here, 252 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: and we would love to hear more of your cryptid 253 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: stories or unusual things you saw when you were deployed, 254 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: or if you were in the Arms services officially or whatever, 255 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: any time you were out off the grid or in 256 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: the wild, because there's a lot of stuff out there. Uh. 257 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: And I think that's where we ended today, uh with 258 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: m thank you so much for anybody else who has 259 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: found themselves in a similar situation. We want to hear 260 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: your stories about graft and cryptids. I guess uh, stay 261 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: safe out there, folks will be right back after a 262 00:16:54,160 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors. And we've returned with the message 263 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: from Kevin with the Y. I love a good unorthodox 264 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: spelling of an orthodox name, gentleman. I've been listening for 265 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 1: a long time, but your latest strange news episode has 266 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: finally inspired me to reach out to you. I have 267 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: a number of thoughts about the pressing topic of AI art. 268 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: In fact, I honestly think that this is our eras 269 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: greatest creative moment. My first thought is to ask who 270 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: owns the copyright for these images? Generally speaking, unless otherwise 271 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 1: a sign by a work for higher agreement, the entity 272 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: that makes the images real owns the copyright. This is true. 273 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: I can speak to this in terms of like making music. 274 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: You know, once you've made the thing, you own the copyright, 275 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: and if you can show with like time stamp that 276 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: you generated the content is essentially the same as registering 277 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: a trademark um. You know, you could argue the minutia 278 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: of that. But anyway, Kevin goes on, the entity that 279 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: makes the images real owns the copyright. In this case, 280 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: it would be the actual soft where making the images 281 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: from the prompts of the person asking the image to 282 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: be created. Remember if I asked you to take a 283 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: photo of me, you own that photo even though you 284 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: use my camera. That's that's interesting because it would be 285 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 1: about burden of proof. You know who has the camera. 286 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: You couldn't necessarily prove that you took the picture. If 287 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: the person that owned the camera, had the camera and 288 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: showed the timestamp, But that's splitting hairs. Uh. This is 289 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,959 Speaker 1: a totally separate conversation from whether or not the image 290 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: itself includes protected intellectual property. My second thought relates to 291 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: the danger of a potential court precedence Relating to the 292 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: idea of in the style of it seems like a 293 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: lot of the artist pushback is the notion of art 294 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: being created in the style of another artist, which, in 295 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: a way I understand how this could be troubling. However, 296 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: I don't believe, and I confirmed this to be the case, 297 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: that you can copyright or trademark and artistic style. And frankly, 298 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that you should be able to imagine 299 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: a world where one artist could own the copyright or 300 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: trademark To point all, is um the style of stippling 301 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: dots with pen and ink for illustrating, then any other 302 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: artists working in that style would have to license or 303 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: pay royalty to the artist that created the style. This 304 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: to me is a very slippery slope. Finally, I think 305 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: that creating the right prompts to create a I work 306 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: could in and of itself be an art form. It 307 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: takes talent to be able to create some of these images, 308 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: and I think that shouldn't be overlooked as we are 309 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: debating the morality of AI art. This could also finally 310 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: give people who have divine creative inspiration but not the 311 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: ability to make those visions real an ability to contribute 312 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: their artistic visions to the creative community, not to mention 313 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: the ability of this technology to create greater access to 314 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: those living with disabilities. I say all this as a 315 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: photographer who has been dealing with a digital revolution that 316 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: makes taking photos easy for everyone. Also, as an artist, 317 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,239 Speaker 1: I bel eve that we should be paid for our 318 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: creative work and that we should have some rights on 319 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: protecting our work. I'm just not sure where that line 320 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: between art and law should be drawn in this new frontier. 321 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for all the great work you do and 322 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: for keeping me on top of what's happening in the world. 323 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: Yours in conspiracy, Kevin. Okay, I'm just gonna throw this 324 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: to the to the room because we've been talking about 325 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, kind of a lot, and 326 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 1: we've made some of these same points are ourselves, like, like, 327 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: what is the nature of imagination? What is the nature 328 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: of what will's an artistic vision into being and uh, 329 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: I love the idea of can you copyright of style? 330 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: You can't. That's why people are able to do like 331 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: sound alike music. And as long as you're not you know, 332 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: ripping off an exact series of notes and meter and 333 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: in the exact way that another artist has done, you're 334 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: not copyright infringing. You can do something in the style 335 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: of you know, Mac de Marco or you know, any 336 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: other artists, but as long as you're not actually being 337 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: off a composition they've made, there's no law against impersonating 338 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: the sound of someone's voice, even unless and get sued 339 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: for sounding too much like yourself. Well, that's it's that's 340 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: its own, that's right. But that's why this type of law, 341 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: and also like intellectual property law around music and sampling 342 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: and all of the various stakeholders in these types of things, 343 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: is so slippery because it's tough to determine um creative inspiration. 344 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: It's not something that's easily quantifiable. But what you can quantified, 345 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: what is required for legal you know, proceedings, is something 346 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: that you can put down on paper, like a series 347 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: of notes. But you can't copyright a certain combination of 348 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: instruments let's say, or singing in a certain register, or 349 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: even copying the way a certain singer sounds that is 350 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: not trademarkable or copyrightable. Yeah, I mean, that's the the 351 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: issue I think in some ways is that we're talking 352 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: about two human drives that are often fundamentally opposed, the 353 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: drive for profit and the drive for creative expression. So 354 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: creative expression is something that all people can and should 355 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: engage in. It's good for the soul, if you believe 356 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: a soul exists. But the idea of profit like profit entities, 357 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: are often seen as kind of corralling and codifying creative expression, 358 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: not in a way that shares that with the world, 359 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: but in a way that maximizes compensation for it. As 360 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: you know, you know, far before the days of AI 361 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: generated art or literature or whatever. Far before that, there 362 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: were huge systems in place in the world of publishing 363 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: in almost any creative endeavor, the world of music, labels 364 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: and so on, that maximize the profits for the people 365 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: who were not creating the actual stuff. So it's important 366 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: know the system was far from perfect before this uh 367 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: new contender entered the fray. But I I mean, you 368 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: have to agree with the idea of compensation. Being an 369 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: artist is a job like any other, you know what 370 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean. And people have jobs because hopefully they like it, 371 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: but also because they need to have a job. But 372 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: to your point, been far before the creation of entertainment 373 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: law and intellectual property law was the desire for humans 374 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: to express themselves. Uh So it wasn't until this industry 375 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: kind of came in or you know again, like you 376 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: know we're talking about like bards. Even like in the 377 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: early days of thinking about like an artist and someone 378 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: that was like kept around for their skills. Um there 379 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: became a need to codify something uncodifiable, you know, something intangible, 380 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: the idea of inspiration, the idea of like expression. So 381 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, the expression came first and has been around 382 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: as long as people have been able to make a 383 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: sound or like scratch a thing on a wall or whatever. 384 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: Um So that came first. Then came the need to 385 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 1: figure out how to commodify it and maybe you know, 386 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: protect the rights of the artists, but mainly commodify it. 387 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: Mainly it's that are trying to figure out how to 388 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: capitalize on this inspiration and take advantage of the artists. Yeah, please, 389 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: I mean that's it, Like that's the UH, like, for instance, 390 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: think of we're thinking of rights. Just to take this 391 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: out of AI for a second. Recently, a musician of 392 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: an up and coming guy named Justin Bieber sold off 393 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: the rights to his to his music and the number 394 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: he got it was somewhere in the hundred millions, like 395 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: two hundred million or something. For fans of that artist, 396 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: it seemed like that was a very low number because 397 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: most of them didn't realize what what that individual is 398 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: doing was selling off their share of the stuff they created. 399 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: They did not committee, and so there are many other 400 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: players in the game. The diplomatic term is stakeholder UM. 401 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: But I think one of the big questions then comes 402 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: up here is if you are civilization is going to 403 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: have to decide sooner rather than later, how they will 404 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: in general treat UH these algorithmic creation processes. Right, does 405 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: a does a an algorithm or even if general lot 406 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: AI does become a thing soon, does that have legal representation? 407 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: Does have the same rights afforded to human creators? You 408 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because if if it does, if 409 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: it gains what you would call legal personhood, as some 410 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: animals have in Germany, as corporations have since Citizen United 411 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: in the US. If that situation occurs, then wouldn't you, 412 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: at least in the world of music, wouldn't you treat uh, 413 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: machine generated music the same way you would have to 414 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: treat a DJ who's really good at sampling, you know 415 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: what I mean. But isn't the whole point of AI 416 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: and of like, you know, robotics, is that we don't 417 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: have to worry about that kind of stuff. There are slaves. 418 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: They do whatever we tell them because we made them. Well, 419 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be on record saying that, because 420 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: those guys, those guys are coming there. I'm I'm speaking, 421 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: I'm I'm speaking hypothetically. I mean, you know, like here 422 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: I go back to Silicon Valley again. There's an episode 423 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: where there's this in cell weirdo that's creating this robot, 424 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: and it turns out that he's been kind of like 425 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: basically weirdly groping the robot behind closed doors, and when 426 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: he gets called out on it in front of a room, 427 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: he says, I made it, I can do whatever I 428 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: want with it, to which the room goes gasp kind 429 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: of because yeah, that's messed up sounding to say out loud, 430 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: But also That's also kind of the point of a 431 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: I on its base level on paper is that we 432 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: made it so we can do whatever we want with it. 433 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: It saves us from having to pay people. It saves 434 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: us from having to worry about the rights of people 435 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: because we made it so it doesn't have rights. Saying 436 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: computer make me a series of images of the Staten 437 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: Island Ferry in the style of Kevin with a Wise 438 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: Nipple project, Alexa Nipple prop. What is this? Sorry? Yeah, yeah, 439 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: it's the K and P Kevin Nipple Project. See we 440 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: pay attention to Kevin. I thought you were just gonna say, 441 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: computer make me a sand pitch Alexa write me the 442 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: Great American Novel. But really, again, this is something we're 443 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: talking about some unrelated projects, you know, or we talked 444 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: about this in our recent is AI Coming for You 445 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 1: things were brought up, the idea of infernal bargains monkey 446 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: paw jin in lamps or bottles. You make wishes and 447 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: you must be very specific with the wishes. Those prompts. 448 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: There is a creative aspect to them. It is generative 449 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: and it is a human thing to create the prompt 450 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: And again, okay, going back to one of our earlier 451 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: discussions in that episode, uh if a in this drives 452 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: with Kevin's Kevin with your idea about someone else using 453 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: your camera, right, applying their creative aptitude to equipment that 454 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: you possess. If someone borrows a pen, I'm just freestyling 455 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: off our earlier comparison. Someone borrows your pen and they 456 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: write an amazing story and it wins like a Pulitzer 457 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: or a Nobel or something. Do you, as the owner 458 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: of the pen, have a right to the share of 459 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: that story or does it belong to the person who 460 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: created the thing? Right? It's like if you won the 461 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: lottery with a ticket that someone gifted you. You know 462 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: what I mean? Similar, Yeah, I mean and look in 463 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: Neither of those are necessarily one to one analogs, but 464 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: that's that's a good way I think to begin looking 465 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: at the problem. If you, for instance, what if you 466 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: go to an art show is for our our artist friends, 467 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: our artist conspiracy realist. You go to an art show 468 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: and you see there's this exhibit. It's all by one artist. 469 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: It's a solo exhibition, but all of the art has 470 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: been made using something like mid journey, and each piece 471 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: is inspired by the style of a local artist in 472 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: your city and you see one painting that looks like 473 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: you made it, how would you feel? Well, that would 474 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: be considered bad form, but not necessarily illegal. Right currently, 475 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: that would be bad form, but there's there's not a 476 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: law against it because or not, there's not a hard 477 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: explicit law against it because, as we say, technology always 478 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: always painfully outpaces legislation well, and most of the artists 479 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: that get in the style of are so famous and 480 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: or dead that it's not the same thing. You're not 481 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: worried about taking money out of some up and coming 482 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: artists pocket because it's Andy Warhol, for Christ's sake, or 483 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: Pablo Picasso, or you know, like any number of other giant, 484 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: household name type artists who have a distinct style. But 485 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: to your appointment, I love this. By the way, Um, 486 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: if you're doing it with local artists and doing a 487 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: local show, you are literally taking money out of their pocket. Theoretically, 488 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: you can't be literally in theoretical at the same time anyway, 489 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: You see what I was saying. This is just really 490 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: confirmed everything that all of our baby boomer parents always 491 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: told us, get a real job. Sorry, that's back when 492 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: there were If we're defining real job by something that 493 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: allows you to buy a house and raise children. There 494 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: are far fewer real jobs and what like forklift operator masks, 495 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: and yeah, it's gonna do that real, I assure you. 496 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: I know you are. And it's funny and it's it's 497 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: but it's also like it's scary, all of it. It 498 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: is coming for us kind of. But also I really 499 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: like Kevin's perspective as an artist. It's sort of been 500 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: my and I think all of ours to a degree, 501 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: perspective on this is that it's just another tool. It 502 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be looked at with utter terror and 503 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: existential dread, even if there are bits of that you 504 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: sprinkled throughout it, like there are with any emerging technology. 505 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: So uh, thank you Kevin for this um insider perspective 506 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: as as an artist, um you know. And again I've 507 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: also as a musician, I've made the comparison of like 508 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: when synthesizers first came out, a lot of like people 509 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: in classical music, where like this is going to replace 510 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: the orchestra. That didn't really happen. It just became a 511 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: new tool that did its own thing and then was 512 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: used by composers to do something different. So but it's 513 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: it is and it's not a it's not a one 514 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: to one. I see your face, Ben, and you're totally 515 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: right now because I say it's so different. There's another 516 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: market though, because that that means that there's a future 517 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: market of like the artists and equivalent. Look at my 518 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: human made photographs. It's the backlash, right, Like you know, 519 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: again we're talking about digital plugins and tools and you know, 520 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: music making equipment, there is this analog resurgence as a 521 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: backlash kind of to that. So it's like, oh, you 522 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: you made that using a plug in. You know, that's 523 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: not cool. You didn't use like a five thousand dollar 524 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: filter and like you know, single module, you know, as 525 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: part of your giant wall of synths. Then you're not 526 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: a real musician. It's about taste making. It's about like 527 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: culture generation, and there's always gonna be niche areas that 528 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: go back to the old ways. Like I don't like 529 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: digital photography. I only do tin type, you know, I 530 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: only do like, you know, old school. I'm being that person. 531 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, I don't listen to MP three's. 532 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: I only listen to music on wax cylinders on a 533 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: victrola anyway, ploot to unpack here. I think we've done 534 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: a decent job of doing that a bit. We're gonna 535 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: take a break and then come back with one more 536 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: piece of listener mail. Ha ha. We have returned, and 537 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: we are turning to Snag Daddy Snag with a g. 538 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: Snag Daddy wrote us an email, and we're going to 539 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: read it to you because there's quite a story in 540 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: here pertaining to the episode we made about haunted aircraft. 541 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: Remember Delhi Crazy Mike. Oh yes, so here we go. 542 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: Let's jump right in. Greetings. I just finished listening to 543 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: your most recent episode on airplane hauntings, and a story 544 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: from my co worker came straight to mind. I currently 545 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: work as an aircraft mechanic for airline company in US City. 546 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: I work the night shift with several other mechanics. We're 547 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: responsible for maintaining aircraft that stay here overnight. Our job 548 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: includes changing tires, windshields, lights and engines, to changing oil fuel, 549 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: air filters, and fixing tray tables. Anything that breaks on 550 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: the airplane will repair or replace it. That includes unclogging toilets, 551 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: which involves you digging in the bowl with your hand 552 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: and physically pulling out whatever clogged the toilet. Fun. You'll 553 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: be surprised sometimes what you find on clogging a toilet. 554 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: It's not always toilet paper. Oh what does that mean? 555 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: You know? Well, that's all fun, but um, probably uh, 556 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: hygienic products would be a big one. Okay, I was 557 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: thinking like legos and stuff like that. That'd be way cool. 558 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: Legos are so expensive now you might want to just 559 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: save it if you find it. But yeah, anyways, one night, 560 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: one of our planes arrived for the night and passengers debarked. 561 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: I went upstairs and met the pilots and soft the 562 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: aircraft had any issues. As I finished my scheduled task 563 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: on the plane, I proceeded to sleep the plane, which 564 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: means to turn it off completely. As I was walking 565 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: out of the aircraft, a gate agent approached me and 566 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: asked me if I could turn the lights back on. 567 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: See after every flight, the gate agents will go onto 568 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: the aircraft and take pictures of the locks of the 569 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: galley carts to ensure that people don't open them throughout 570 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: the night. She was busy and couldn't do it. As 571 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: soon as the plane arrived, I offered to lend her 572 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: my flashlight, so she could see throughout the aircraft as 573 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: I had other tasks to do. She accepted my offer, 574 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: but only under one condition. I had to go with her. 575 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: In my mind, I was confused and wondered why. Jokingly, 576 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: I asked her if she was scared of being alone 577 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: on a dark airplane, and she responded that she was, 578 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: so I went ahead and accompanied her inside the plane. 579 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: I flashed my light for her, and I asked if 580 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 1: she had ever had a bad experience in a dark 581 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: plane before. While she said no, she did tell me 582 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: she gets creeped out being in a dark airplane, and 583 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: then told me a story of a prior airline she 584 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: worked for. Here's where it gets crazy, she explained to 585 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: me years ago, in the early two thousands, when she 586 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: worked for a competitor airline, she had an experience a 587 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: flight attendant had a heart attack and passed away on 588 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: a redacted aircraft. Years after her tragic passing, she said, 589 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: whenever that same aircraft had a known mechanical problem or 590 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: a looming mechanic issue, a passenger reading light underneath where 591 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: the flight attendant sat down during her heart attack and 592 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: eventually passed away, would mysteriously turn on just to confirm here. 593 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,959 Speaker 1: This is saying that the exact place where that flight 594 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: attendant passed away from a heart attack is where that 595 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: light turns on. I just want to make sure everybody 596 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: interst that, so what happened. The let's keep going. I 597 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: hopefully everybody else is is hooked into this story as 598 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: I am. Come on, you stagged me dad, the old 599 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: dad snag, Daddy snag, and our story continues. The lights 600 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: sometimes in flight will turn on by itself, and upon landing, 601 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: the flight crew would report a mechanical issue unrelated to 602 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: that light. She said. Mechanics would work on the plane 603 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: at night, and that light would mysteriously turn on when 604 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: they were working on a mechanical issue on that aircraft. 605 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: Also on some mornings, when mechanics and flight crew would 606 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: wake up the plane I means turning on the aircraft power, 607 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: the light would mysteriously be on. Upon the aircraft being 608 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: entirely powered up, the crew would encounter a fault or 609 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: an issue with that aircraft without a prior history. Spooky, right, 610 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: So it's it almost sounds like it's warning people. It 611 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: sounds like it's definitely I mean the skeptical answer. Of course, 612 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 1: a lot of people are probably saying this listening at home. 613 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 1: People will say, well, check the wiry. But keep in mind, folks, 614 00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,919 Speaker 1: snag Daddy is a mechanic. Sea knows what uh they're 615 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: talking about here. So this is not the same as 616 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: um as just a civilian saying, hey, that's weird about 617 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: the light. Uh. This is the kind of person who 618 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: has the experience to accurately assess and diagnose something wonking. Yeah. 619 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: But and we should also know that this is a 620 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: secondhand story, right, that's true. That's true. We're being fair there. 621 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: This is something that zag Daddy says as well, continuing 622 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: to say she claimed the gate agent that this was 623 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: the deceased flight attendant's way of doing a warning like 624 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: you were mentioning Matt, of letting the crew of mechanics 625 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: know there was an issue with the aircraft, in a 626 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: way of her looking out for the safety or passengers 627 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: and crew members even beyond the grave after she passed away. 628 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: And this is where stag Daddy says, when I heard 629 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: her story, I was skeptical. I still am today. I've 630 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: tried looking up stories about the flight attendant for redacted airlines, 631 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: but can't find any information on her, which Okay, this 632 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: is a question that I have for Snag as well 633 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: and for all of us. Is this a would it 634 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: be unusual to not find that story? Like? How how 635 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: widely reported inside baseball type stuff? Right? Like? Could it 636 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: be something that's kept internal? I mean, even if you 637 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: if you have a person's specific name, sometimes unless you 638 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: really put some elbow grease into it, it can still 639 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: be difficult to find the circumstances of that person's death. 640 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: Right you kind of have to pull some p I cards, 641 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: do some social engineering at a hospital, etcetera. You have 642 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: to imagine the only way it would get real press 643 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: is if a local journalist picks up the story because 644 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 1: somebody you know, like this person who's telling the story 645 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 1: is like wanting to tell their story, right right, It's 646 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: not just going to become something that ends up in 647 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: a paper somewhere. Um. And also, we're talking a about 648 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: a pretty major airline. We have used the phrase we're 649 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: adapted when it comes to the actual airline that this 650 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: person is talking about. Just but you would have heard 651 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: of him, Yes, you would have heard of them. We're 652 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 1: just keeping it out just in case for snag daddies 653 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: purposes here and safety. Um. But if there were enough 654 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: people noticing this thing happening, I feel like more people 655 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: would be talking about it. But I who knows what 656 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: I love so much about flying in general? First off, 657 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: it's a crazy, amazing superpower. Good job human beings. That's nuts. Uh, 658 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 1: you're you're a beast for that with humanity. But something 659 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: about exploration to the edges of human ability or knowledge 660 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: always creates legends and folklore. And it doesn't matter how 661 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: far technology goes. As soon as more people are out 662 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: in the deep in ink of space, we're going to 663 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: see things that are very similar to World War two folklore, 664 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: very similar to the ancient uh, the old tall tales 665 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: and rumors of yesteryear's mariners, like sea monsters are like 666 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: running up against the edge of the world and things 667 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: like that, which I think is cool and that's not 668 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: Please don't conflate that with me saying this isn't true, 669 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: or that we don't believe someone, because what we found 670 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: in our exploration of allegations of haunted aircraft is that 671 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: some of the things can be relatively easily debunked, right 672 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,439 Speaker 1: like Flight four oh one and a couple of those 673 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: weekly world news stories. They can be they can be 674 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: pulled apart and they don't hold up as well. But 675 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: then there's other stuff like this that's very difficult to 676 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: disprove honestly or not even I don't want to see disprove. 677 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to come off like one of those 678 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 1: jerks is not really a skeptic. But difficult to investigate, 679 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: let's say that way. But even though this is like 680 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: a second hand story, it's obviously a second hand story 681 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: from another person on the inside with all of the 682 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: same jargon and like terminology that wouldn't be sexy enough 683 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 1: to be reported on a wide scale. Um, it's a 684 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: little bit anomalous and kind of like admired and minutia 685 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: of the particular industry. So unless there was like a 686 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: death tied to it or some grand disappearance, and then 687 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: it became like sort of a clue, no one's ever 688 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: going to talk about this outside of people that are 689 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: in the know within that particular industry. Yes, Um, I 690 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: could not find anything on this guy's What I could 691 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: find is the same thing that snag Daddy was able 692 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: to find when they were doing research for this topic. 693 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give you any specifics. I just want 694 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: everybody to look up flight too forty three. Look that 695 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: up when you get a chance. Um, it is maybe 696 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: the scariest scenario I can imagine when it comes to 697 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: something that could go wrong mid air on a passenger 698 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 1: airline number again for the people flight two four three, 699 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 1: you should be able to find it just by searching that. Yes, 700 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: so just again erowin plane at home. We're not going 701 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,240 Speaker 1: to get into it, but check out flight two three. 702 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: It is my nightmare now, it is Matt's. Matt's nightmare now. Um, 703 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: So if you want to dream like Matt, check out 704 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,439 Speaker 1: that flight. So we also have to know that there's 705 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: something interesting here, which is that we don't have a 706 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: timeline from you Snag Daddy. So that also there's all 707 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: kinds of information you can get to really drill down 708 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: in this. But one thing that's another amazing thing about 709 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: this is that we've had other people writing in with 710 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: weird plane stories. I think we may have hit a 711 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,359 Speaker 1: little nerve, or we may have we may have hit 712 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: some sort of metaphorical called the attack didn't button because 713 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: I've had some stuff on our minds. We'll dude, I 714 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: mean friend of the show and uh human friend of 715 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: ours Steve Wilson Um. He reached out and was very 716 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: taken by this. And I've ran into a couple of 717 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: people that discovered the show recently and we're like, haunted 718 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: airplanes what? And it makes sense in terms of like 719 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: what you said then, like the ideas of exploration and 720 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: like haunted ghost ships, that's not outside the realm of 721 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: people's kind of like pop cultural knowledge. But haunted airplanes 722 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: is somehow kind of like remarkable to people, and I 723 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: think that's very interesting. Oh yeah, oh yeah, guys. Can 724 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: we do one more quick mention of haunted airplanes from 725 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: another listener? Let's do it. Yes, I'm excited about this 726 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: one too. Maybe. Okay, this is super fast, you guys. 727 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: It's a suggestion, and as you said at the top, Ben, 728 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: we love suggestions. Any episode do you think we should 729 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,919 Speaker 1: be doing let us know. We're into it. Yeah, even 730 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: if you think it's too we here, especially if it's weird, 731 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna do it. Okay, So this message comes to 732 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 1: us from Steve, Not that Steve you're talking about. No, 733 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,359 Speaker 1: I don't think uh, Steve says, hello. The Official US 734 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio is full of combat 735 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: airplanes from the earliest days of air wars. There are 736 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: a lot of stories about ghosts being seen inside the 737 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: airplanes or walking around the museum. You want to check 738 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: it out, Steve. I love the I love a good museum. Suggestion, Steve, 739 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: that might be enough for us to That might be 740 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: enough for us to make up a reason to go 741 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: to Ohio. We've had people asking us to do more 742 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: live stuff, and we're hoping to do so soon. Also, 743 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: full confession, I'm just I'm gonna be in the air 744 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 1: a lot more. And so that's why the airplane thing 745 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: is cool. But none of the three of us are 746 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: are shook a flight. I think we all like it, right, 747 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: I mean, once you're actually on the plane. Yeah, but 748 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,320 Speaker 1: God forbid one bad thing happens. It could shake our whole, 749 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, complacency about the the enterprise because your point, Ben, 750 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: who was it? I think it was Lucy k maybe 751 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: who was talking about how we're complaining about, you know, 752 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: all this dumb stuff. But yet we can like jump 753 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 1: into a tube and like you know, fly across the country. 754 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: And also they have his little magic boxes that let 755 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: us talk to anybody and look up the wealth of 756 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: human information. On them at any given time. Um, some 757 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 1: people though, really really hate flying. You know, David Lynch 758 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,400 Speaker 1: won't really leave Los Angeles because he just I don't know, 759 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: you say he. I think it probably usually does come 760 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: down to being scared. Um. I don't want to malign 761 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,360 Speaker 1: David Lynch and call him like a coward or anything, 762 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 1: cause I'm not. That's it's a thing. It's a deep 763 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: it should be. Honestly, we're the outliers that were okay 764 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 1: with it, right, you know, like it seems like a 765 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 1: self preservational kind of impulse to be scared of this 766 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,959 Speaker 1: kind of thing. But you know, I mean, you don't 767 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 1: have control over it. And a phobia or a fear 768 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: is a is a primal emotive thing. And what that 769 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:10,880 Speaker 1: means is that statistics aren't gonna change that primal aspect 770 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: of you. That's saying, holy crap, no, we should be 771 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: on the ground. What are you doing right? Like you 772 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 1: can Again, we talked about it before, not just in 773 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,319 Speaker 1: that episode, but it's previous episodes. You are far far 774 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: more likely to die driving a car anywhere when you 775 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: are in the plane. But you know, people feel I 776 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: think often feel a little more comfort because uh, it's 777 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: it's me behind the wheel, it's my hands, my decisions, 778 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,839 Speaker 1: not some jamoke pilot that I'll never meet again. And 779 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 1: that's that that takes us something interesting. Uh? Will people 780 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 1: will the same people who have a fear of flying, 781 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: which again is completely understandable. Will that fear transfer to 782 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 1: autonomous vehicles another thing that you're just sitting in that 783 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 1: cannot control and technically, until all vehicles are autonomous, a 784 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 1: much more dangerous ride. What do you guys think it 785 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: just hights? Maybe if there's that too, But with autonomous vehicles, 786 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 1: if enough time passes where people forget all of the 787 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: hilarious screw ups, then maybe it will be like a 788 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,879 Speaker 1: safe feeling. But like right now, we've seen so many 789 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 1: like high profile you know, stories about autonomous vehicles doing 790 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: dumb stuff. But we know on paper that if if 791 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 1: the technology is right, it's way better than the human element, 792 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 1: because the human element is fallible and like makes horrible mistakes. 793 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,720 Speaker 1: And once they get the tech to the point where 794 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,360 Speaker 1: we can really rely on it, probably there will be 795 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: similar statistics around autonomous vehicles, but it won't necessarily for 796 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 1: some be enough to make them okay with giving up 797 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,600 Speaker 1: that level of control. Yeah, it's gonna be like how 798 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: Gadaga made genetic modification a thing. They just use private 799 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,320 Speaker 1: industry ensure rates to make it too expensive. Right, it 800 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: will be too expensive to drive your own car. That's 801 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: how they're gonna get you. Okay, now that I've said 802 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 1: and that's how they're gonna get you, I think I 803 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,280 Speaker 1: got a little too conspiratorial. We might want to wrap 804 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,400 Speaker 1: up um as we do. These are great suggestions as 805 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,879 Speaker 1: we do, Matt, No, I'm wondering, is it okay if 806 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 1: we just read this this Twitter poll that we started 807 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 1: after we did Strange News talked about gene editing. Okay, okay, 808 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: so this is a super scientific poll, which means while 809 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: we took a quick we call it a bio break 810 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: on the show, I took a quick bio break, went 811 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: to Twitter and said, if you were given the opportunity 812 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: to take gene editing therapy with a high likelihood of 813 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 1: extending your life, I say, ten years, would you do it? 814 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: The three answers are heck, no, I need a lot 815 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,359 Speaker 1: more info and shoot me up homie, and uh, I 816 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: think put it right in my neck. Just put in 817 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: my neck, you know, give me a good sound rack 818 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 1: um right now again with this super scientific hole. Uh, 819 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:10,320 Speaker 1: it looks like people said I need a lot more info. 820 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: Only sixteen percent said heck no, that's for you Matt 821 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: and for you Doc. And thirty nine percent just said 822 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 1: shoot me up HOMEI somebody carpet. I think some of 823 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: these people like, they're what eating potatoes too much? What 824 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: is the thing that is bad for your heart? I 825 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: can't remember anymore. It's all bad for your kinds of stuff, 826 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 1: anything you like, anything you like, anything, even that they 827 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,399 Speaker 1: have made advances in kale. Uh, the kale technology gets 828 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,960 Speaker 1: hurts and bounds heard that the lead content of kale 829 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,720 Speaker 1: uk just kidding itself. I'm just kidding. This simply orange 830 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,319 Speaker 1: has a ton of p f A s in it. 831 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 1: That's real. I remember that. Yeah. Is that the one 832 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 1: with no pulp some pulp or all the pulp, all 833 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 1: the simply orange and every orange drink, like every orange 834 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: soda is what is it? Brominaded um thiamyline. I don't know. No, 835 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how am I not thinking of the 836 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,360 Speaker 1: next words? It vegetable oil, vegetable oil. That's it. Yeah. 837 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: I feel like it was like there was another It's 838 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 1: in it's in mountain dew. Brominaded vegetable oil is a 839 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,680 Speaker 1: mountain dew, anything with the cloudy look to it. Yeah, 840 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: and apparently brominaded stuff also is used for flame retardants. 841 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,399 Speaker 1: So there's that. That's what. Yeah, you're right, So we're 842 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: gonna call it a day before we ruin more seemingly 843 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: innocuous things like you enjoy it, get you through. I 844 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,239 Speaker 1: put it in my smoothie as like, just so I 845 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 1: can feel like I know you were. I'm joking. Waterson 846 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 1: Air Force Base and check out the museum and we'll 847 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,359 Speaker 1: all feel better because it's haunted. There we go. Yes, 848 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 1: you've got to be the to play and you wish 849 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,400 Speaker 1: to see in the world. Can we also say that 850 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,320 Speaker 1: in the story that you brought Matt from snag Daddy, 851 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: that this is a clearly kind of a benevolent ghost, 852 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,839 Speaker 1: right right. A lot of those stories, actually a lot 853 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: of the stories were receiving and this is what I 854 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: would call this uh era of aviation folklore. They are 855 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,840 Speaker 1: about someone trying to warn you the ghosts who stay 856 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,520 Speaker 1: on the planes. The people who believe in ghosts are 857 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,400 Speaker 1: not trying to wreck the planes, because then they'd be 858 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:29,360 Speaker 1: like you know or grand Maybe we should have people 859 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,840 Speaker 1: right in and let us know innocuous things that that 860 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,279 Speaker 1: have dark sides. That's always an area of interest. I 861 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 1: don't Then and then we can send the list to 862 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 1: Stephen King and he can write about more haunted innocuous things. 863 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 1: The case idea at the end of the road. How 864 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,799 Speaker 1: a super evil things that have like good intentions. Oh God, 865 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:56,560 Speaker 1: like kale, Like kale just ruined side. That's what kale ruins. 866 00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,399 Speaker 1: It isn't very tasty, isn't how mult you try? I is? Yeah, 867 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: I know people always say they love it. That's the 868 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:09,120 Speaker 1: most diplomatic thing. It's good in this candelini candloni. How 869 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,080 Speaker 1: tied it in a smoothie where you can't taste it? 870 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,040 Speaker 1: That make it, make it um, make it into a 871 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,359 Speaker 1: shirt and wear it around you know what I mean. 872 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,319 Speaker 1: That is becoming a thing in fashion. Actually, a lot 873 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,960 Speaker 1: of these like new kind of woke fashion brands are like, 874 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, making their stuff out of plant matter, that vegetable. Yeah, 875 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,319 Speaker 1: obviously we have the mangler, the haunted mangler, And we 876 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,439 Speaker 1: have to depart it a little bit from listener male 877 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,280 Speaker 1: because we're all thinking about what to eat next hunger, Uh, Penance, 878 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: I will eat, I will put kale in my daily 879 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 1: case and dilla in the meantime. We can't wait to 880 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,320 Speaker 1: hear from you folks. Come be a part of a show. 881 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 1: You will be the best part by default, our fellow 882 00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,879 Speaker 1: conspiracy realists. Hey, I want to be part of the show. 883 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,400 Speaker 1: You might be saying. We hope you're saying that, But 884 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: how can I ever get a chance to talk to 885 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,239 Speaker 1: you all? It's actually super easy, carcopoonishly easy. If you've 886 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,320 Speaker 1: never listened to the end of an episode before, we 887 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 1: got the scoop for you. You can find us on 888 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,360 Speaker 1: social media. We are conspiracy stuff on Twitter, YouTube and Facebook. 889 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: Or we have a group called a Facebook group is 890 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,120 Speaker 1: a thing they'll be talking about that in the history books, 891 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,439 Speaker 1: uh called Here's where it gets crazy conspiracy stuff show 892 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,439 Speaker 1: on Instagram and take any talk as the kids call it. Yes, 893 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,359 Speaker 1: and we have a phone number. It is one eight 894 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 1: three three st d w y t K. When you 895 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,720 Speaker 1: call in, you've got three minutes. Count on one to three. 896 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,360 Speaker 1: Give yourself a cool nickname. Let us know if we 897 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,600 Speaker 1: can use your message on the air. It's that easy. 898 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,319 Speaker 1: If you got more to say, they could fit in 899 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,799 Speaker 1: that three minute voicemail. Why not instead write it all 900 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 1: out in a good old fashioned email. We are conspiracy 901 00:54:52,200 --> 00:55:12,760 Speaker 1: at iHeart radio dot com. M m m h. Stuff 902 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,680 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Is a production of 903 00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 1: I heart Radio. 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