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Speaker 2: This is Prime Cuts, the best of the Colin Coward

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Speaker 2: podcast Hell of a Week, John middlecow former pro scout,

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Speaker 2: and I discussed Russell Wilson's image problem, and John gives

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Speaker 2: us his surprise NFL bounceback team. Former Bears coach Dave

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Speaker 2: Wanstat tells me why he's not exactly bullish on this

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Speaker 2: year's Bears team, and one of the smart voices on

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Speaker 2: New York Sports columnist Ian O'Connor on Aaron Rodgers, Saquon

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Speaker 2: Barkley and the Mets meltdown. But first my top takes

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Speaker 2: of the week. You know, I think the Dame drama

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Speaker 2: in Portland's interesting. I think there's this sense from a

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Speaker 2: in the position of the player. What would I think

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Speaker 2: if I was the player? What would I think if

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Speaker 2: I was the coach of the GM And there's this

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Speaker 2: selfish if you leave a team like Dame, leaving Portland

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Speaker 2: think the opposite's true, if you're just going to stay

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Speaker 2: in any franchise that's not remotely viable to win a championship.

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Speaker 2: Then you're basically doing it for the Benjamins. You're just

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Speaker 2: doing it for money. What's the value of that, Like,

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Speaker 2: that's just that's totally about self But if you go

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Speaker 2: to another team, let's say Dame goes to Milwaukee, that's

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Speaker 2: not selfish. He'd be the second best player on a

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Speaker 2: team that's giving. It'd be the first time the ball

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Speaker 2: wouldn't go through him. That's not selfish. That's giving. He

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be the face of a franchise. That's not selfish.

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Speaker 2: That's giving. That's relinquishing, that's passing a baton to somebody else.

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Speaker 2: That's the opposite of selfish. You know, when Bradley Beal

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Speaker 2: for years stayed in Washington, that was all about comfort,

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Speaker 2: making good money, and being the man. And Bradley Beal

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Speaker 2: finally went to management and said, I want to go

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Speaker 2: win some games. I'm going to go somewhere like Phoenix. Well,

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Speaker 2: when Bradley Beal goes to Phoenix, he's not going to

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Speaker 2: get the most shots booker will Durant Meygett second most.

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Speaker 2: He's the third best player on a team. That's the

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Speaker 2: opposite of selfish. He is giving up shots, giving up

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Speaker 2: I just I don't buy into this, and I think

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Speaker 2: it's good for the league long term if most of

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Speaker 2: your stars stay. But one of the things I've always

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Speaker 2: appreciated about Lebron James is his ability to acclimate to

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Speaker 2: new teammates, new coaches, new cultures, and new cities. It's hard.

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Speaker 2: He didn't win first year at a high school in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: He didn't win first year in Miami. He didn't win

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Speaker 2: first year back at Cleveland, he didn't win first year

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Speaker 2: the league in all of those and arguably the best

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Speaker 2: player ever. Why because moving's hard? Help the studio I'm in.

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Speaker 2: I just sold this house. I will have to move.

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Speaker 2: It's a pain in the ass. And that's just down

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Speaker 2: the block. Can you imagine moving your family into a

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Speaker 2: new city where all he's rich, rich or not. Moving's difficult,

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Speaker 2: it's discomfort, it's new, this, new that. So you know,

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Speaker 2: when I look at Dame, do you just want to

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Speaker 2: you say, Oh, you go to Miami, greater expectations. You

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Speaker 2: If he goes to Milwaukee and Yannis, they've already got

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Speaker 2: It's a small town and Dame's the biggest star in it,

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Speaker 2: So I don't think it's disloyal at all. I think

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Speaker 2: It's okay if you want to just play for the checks,

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Speaker 2: the comfort, the stardom, the fame, stay in your city forever.

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Speaker 2: But I applaud Bradley Beal for what he did, and

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Speaker 2: I would applaud Dame for going on a potential championship team,

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Speaker 2: taking some risk, taking some heat, and letting others watch him,

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Speaker 2: which he deserves. In May and June, still playing. Now

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Speaker 2: time for the volumes. John Middelcoff, the former NFL scout,

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Speaker 2: So I saw her, Mike McGlinchey, the new right tackle,

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Speaker 2: I saw where McGlinchey said, Okay, I changed my mind.

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Speaker 2: I didn't like Russ, and now I watched this work ethic.

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Speaker 2: I'm into Russ, and it is weird. When he left

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Speaker 3: I think that plays a part. I think they were

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Speaker 3: I thought I'd probably bet on Russ the house Seattle

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Speaker 2: When Russ came out of the draft, that was in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he was beloved. There was I remember

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Speaker 3: long career. That used to be the norm, right, Colin. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And what I watched Russell. The thing that struck me

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Speaker 2: Dave that after this year you either go to jettison,

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the first thing you said, a big

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Speaker 2: But I don't think if he struggles, we can blame

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Speaker 1: And you know what, when I was up there, Dj

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Speaker 2: What's the typical Chicago Bear fan reasonable not liquored up.

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Speaker 2: If you said, would they be disappointed with nine and

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Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about the rump. I mean their defense coach.

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Speaker 2: Every year I make picks, and my woe pick of

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Speaker 2: Shanahan's system. It has always been better day for quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: in the second year of it, it's pretty complex. I

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Speaker 2: look at what Miami put together. I watched them play

428
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Speaker 2: the Bills three times last year. They beat them once.

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Speaker 2: They could have beaten them a second time with Tua

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Speaker 2: and Skyler Thompson played them close. And my takeaway was,

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Speaker 2: I don't feel right now that Buffalo has had a

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Speaker 2: good last five or six months. Stefon Diggs's complaining they

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Speaker 2: lost one of their safeties. I have questions about McDermott,

434
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Speaker 2: his rigidity. Leslie Fraser just said get me out of

435
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Speaker 2: here because McDermott wouldn't let him call plays. There's a

436
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Speaker 2: little bit of coaching tension. I if Tua's upright, I

437
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Speaker 2: saw I put on about fifteen pounds. You tell me

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Speaker 2: your thoughts. I think Mike McDaniel in year two of

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Speaker 2: that offense. I've watched Shanahan in Atlanta, I watched them

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Speaker 2: in San Francisco. It's that second year, Dave. I think

441
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Speaker 2: Miami's gonna be a handful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I mean we'll start with uh,

443
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Speaker 1: you know, adding Ramsey. But the best addition they had

444
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Speaker 1: is Vic fan Joe. You know. Now in Vic's defense,

445
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Speaker 1: and I know pretty good. Vic's defense is not a

446
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Speaker 1: blitzing defense. I mean, you know when they were there

447
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Speaker 1: with with Brian Flores, it was pressure, pressure, pressure. This

448
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Speaker 1: is not that. So having the extra corner, you know,

449
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Speaker 1: having Ramsey teamed up with Howard, I mean, that's a great,

450
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Speaker 1: great combination. Uh. But they're gonna have to generate rush

451
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Speaker 1: up front. To me, Bradley Chubb is the guy. He's

452
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Speaker 1: this guy's got to show up. You know, last year

453
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Speaker 1: they made the big trade for him. They got him there,

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Speaker 1: and I think Vick will be the guy that'll be

455
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Speaker 1: able to push the right buttons to get a big

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Speaker 1: year out of him. But they've got to generate. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to generate pass rush with the guys up front.

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Speaker 1: That's one point. The other thing that I think has

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Speaker 1: to happen is, you know, Mike McDaniels, you mentioned the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo games calling. It really bothered me. They had Skyler Thompson,

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Speaker 1: who you get, that thirteen quarterback in there, and they

462
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Speaker 1: threw the ball twice as many times as they ran it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm watching that game and I remember when I

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Speaker 1: got the Bears job, you know, and I was out

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Speaker 1: and the lake Chuck Noll had just stepped down from

466
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Speaker 1: the Steelers and we were playing golf and he said, Dave,

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Speaker 1: never forget why you get you're a head coach. No,

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Speaker 1: never forget why you're a head coach. I said, what

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Speaker 1: do you mean? He says, when you got hired because

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Speaker 1: of your defensive expertise. So I'm watching that Dolphin Buffalo

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Speaker 1: game and I'm thinking to myself, Mike McDaniels was the

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Speaker 1: run coordinator run coordinator at San Francisco, and they aren't

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Speaker 1: running the ball. If they run the football, I'm convinced

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Speaker 1: they were. So the only question I have is, you know,

475
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Speaker 1: they're going to have to be balanced. And when you

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Speaker 1: got Tua and you got the firepower, you know, Tyreek

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Speaker 1: Kid and all the waddle and everybody, it's real tempting

478
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Speaker 1: to want to get them the ball. Big plays, big pellies.

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what this is good Mike mc

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Speaker 1: if he wants to win big, he's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: be balanced, and he's gonna have to continue running the football.

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Speaker 1: I don't he's gonna show me that he'll do that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not convinced he wants to do it. Well.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting. Kyle Shanahan has Debo and George Kittle and

485
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Speaker 2: Brandon Ayuk and Christian McCaffrey, and he commits to the

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Speaker 2: run despite how having those options. I mean, when I

487
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Speaker 2: think of the Niners, I think of a physical run game, yep.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think of passing no.

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Speaker 1: And you know the other thing too, with the Tua.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Tua, and I'm not gonna blitz him. I'm

491
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Speaker 1: not going to take a chance of trying to cover

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Speaker 1: Tyra kill one on one. But I'll tell you what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. Tua in his mind, if you went

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Speaker 1: through the concussion stuff that he went through or anybody did,

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Speaker 1: that's going to be on your mind. And they're going

496
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Speaker 1: to be saying, get the ball, why quick, right, don't

497
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Speaker 1: take a chance. They don't run up. He's not running

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Speaker 1: quarterback read stuff. So put that aside. That's not going

499
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Speaker 1: to happen. But get the ball out quick. He's gonna

500
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Speaker 1: see man press coverage. I would play him man and

501
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Speaker 1: I would lock up those receivers and knowing that the

502
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Speaker 1: ball is going to come out quick, and so he's

503
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Speaker 1: gonna you know, he makes good decisions, makes good decisions.

504
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Speaker 1: We're going to find out how accurate he is. He's

505
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Speaker 1: going to have to be real accurate this year because

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to get very many wide open,

507
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Speaker 1: easy throws. Well.

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Speaker 2: The other thing with Tua is because his injuries are

509
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Speaker 2: a concussion base that you can't bring him back with

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Speaker 2: another concussion for four to six weeks. So to your point,

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Speaker 2: I think McDaniel realizes that they'll run it more and

512
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Speaker 2: it'll be a lot of a lot of what Brady ran.

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Speaker 2: Just get the ball out Garoppolo by the way, one

514
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Speaker 2: thousand and one, one thousand and two, let it ripe.

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Speaker 2: And I also think McDaniel's knows his weakness is his

516
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Speaker 2: offensive front in a division with Buffalo's pass rush, the

517
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Speaker 2: Jets pass rush, and Belichick's defensive front. So I do

518
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Speaker 2: think there's a way Miami will play run it quick,

519
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: passing protect to it because he goes down. You know,

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00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 2: they brought Mike White in for the Jets for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so in near minds, they probably got a good backup,

522
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Speaker 1: but it's not to us. So it'll be interesting to

523
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Speaker 1: see if McDaniel's can do that.

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Speaker 2: So you're from Pittsburgh, coached the Panthers for years, you've

525
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Speaker 2: got a lot of friends there. Still I went, and

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Speaker 2: the other day I went and sort of burrowed down

527
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Speaker 2: on the Steelers. There's a couple of things that are interesting.

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Speaker 2: Number one is they win. Over the last three years

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Speaker 2: when TJ. Watt plays, they win seventy five percent of

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Speaker 2: their games. And although he was banged up last year,

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Speaker 2: in his history, he doesn't get hurt. And one of

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Speaker 2: the reasons I lean Steelers over Baltimore for the while

533
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Speaker 2: the card spot is if you take their eight best players,

534
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Speaker 2: and I include Najie Harris, their tight end, Kenny Pickett,

535
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Speaker 2: Minka Fitzpatrick, I go Cam Hayward, I go down the line.

536
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Speaker 2: None of them have an injury history. And virtually all

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Speaker 2: of the Ravens' best players except tight end Mark Andrews,

538
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: do have a playoff history. And I don't know if

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Speaker 2: Tomlin is more measured at practice, but the Ravens have

540
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Speaker 2: been banged up for four years in a row and

541
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Speaker 2: the Steelers are rarely hurt. And I went back and

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Speaker 2: I looked at Pittsburgh's last six games last year. I

543
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: didn't from beginning to end watch all of them, Dave,

544
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Speaker 2: because the AFC has so many more compelling teams. At

545
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Speaker 2: the end of last year, Kenny Pickett was pretty good.

546
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: The defense was great, Kenny Pickett was pretty good. What

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Speaker 2: are you hearing?

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Speaker 1: Well, I know this for a fact. Last year, at

549
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Speaker 1: this time going into training camp, he was getting the

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Speaker 1: third team more reps. I mean, was Mitch Trubisky, It

551
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Speaker 1: was Mason Rudolph, and it was Kenny Pickett. So his

552
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: practice time was a third And you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think I think they went into that thing. Mike Tomlin

554
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Speaker 1: said that Mitch Trubisky is a starter, which he did,

555
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Speaker 1: and so I look at that and say, you know,

556
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Speaker 1: that's a lot of time for a rookie not to

557
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: be getting the reps that he needs. And then the

558
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Speaker 1: guy that's probably going to be his top receiver, and

559
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: then what's his name got hurt. Deontay Johnson was hurt.

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Speaker 1: Okay Uh Pickens, George Pickens, the second round pick out

561
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Speaker 1: of Tennessee. He's a star. This guy. He it took him,

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Speaker 1: They tell me it took him two or three, you know,

563
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks into the season before he started

564
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Speaker 1: getting the field for the thing. I mean, they were

565
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Speaker 1: hoping that Claypool, they were hoping to Chase Claypool was

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Speaker 1: the guy. You gotta remember, Chase Claypool went from their

567
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Speaker 1: number one receiver to two to three, and so all

568
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Speaker 1: the sudden, now all of a sudden, you're seeing Pickings

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Speaker 1: getting more reps and Deontay Johnson they're getting him boo

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Speaker 1: and then they find out how good friar move. You

571
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: mentioned him the tight end from Pat Steak. Yeah, this

572
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: kid is a player. He's got phenomenal him. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: until about that halfway through the season where Pickets getting

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Speaker 1: enough reps. Pickings is picking up the offense and now

575
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: they're realizing, hey, we got a tight end too. So

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Speaker 1: I think I like Pittsburgh. I mean their offense, they're stars.

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Speaker 1: The guys we're talking about are all like twenty five

578
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: years or younger, right, So I mean the arrow is

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Speaker 1: definitely up for that offense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's did you like, can he pick

581
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Speaker 2: it out of college? I've always said he feels very

582
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Speaker 2: B plus at everything. He's got a good enough arm,

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Speaker 2: good enough size, good enough mobility. I don't I don't

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Speaker 2: see a lot of special but I don't see a

585
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: lot of Dave. I don't see any holes. I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't see anything that he can move left, he

587
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: throws right, he's mobile, he can take a hit. My

588
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: takeaway is, you know, there's a little bit of a CJ.

589
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: Stroud where I'm like, he looks good enough at everything,

590
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: maybe great at nothing. What did you hear from your

591
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: pit people about Kenny coming out.

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Speaker 1: I was back there at pitt when they were practicing

593
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Speaker 1: and sitting in there and talking to Pat and Ardouzi,

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Speaker 1: the head coach, and the offensive court and all the

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Speaker 1: intangible things that you mentioned, and then put a layer

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Speaker 1: of toughness. This guy is a street tough kid, and

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00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: this kid is a competitor. And I think that you

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Speaker 1: know you talked about he's got good enough arm strength,

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00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: he understands the game, he gets the big picture, on

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Speaker 1: and on and on. But now you put in that

601
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: toughness and those those intangible things, they're real. They are real.

602
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: And you know they share the facility back your pit

603
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: and the Steelers share facilities, so they're in the same

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Speaker 1: building where they're eating, and they're on the practice field

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00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: on leave and the other ones. No one had better

606
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: exposure to Kenny Pickett for his whole career than Mike

607
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: Tomlin and the Steelers and Kevin Colbert at that time

608
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Speaker 1: in the whole Steeler organization. So they know what they're

609
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Speaker 1: getting there, and I know they are excited.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's my favorite East Coast voice. Ian O'Connor a

611
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Speaker 2: four time New York Times best selling author the book

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Speaker 2: on Coach k Derek Jeter Belichick three for three, All Fantastic,

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Speaker 2: New York Daily News, Now The New York Post, USA Today, ESBN,

614
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: known him, loved him for years. He is now joining us,

615
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Speaker 2: and we got a lot to talk about. So I

616
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Speaker 2: remember when I lived in Connecticut. You're really in the

617
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Speaker 2: belly of the beast, Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Phillies. It's

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Speaker 2: just sports talk is driven by it out West. It

619
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Speaker 2: is not. It's more of an NBA NFL discussion. But

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Speaker 2: the intensity in the passion is redeemable. And I missed

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Speaker 2: so much not hearing Sports Talk Radio New York. After

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Speaker 2: the Mets late inning Melton against the Phillies, I watched it.

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Speaker 2: I just happened to stumble on it. Good hell Ian

624
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Speaker 2: that is as hits batsman walks one hit, multiple runs.

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Speaker 2: What was that? The tipping point? Is Buck Showalter in trouble?

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Speaker 2: After that moment.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a tipping point, Colin, because

628
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Speaker 5: it feels like I live with a fatalistic Mets fan.

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Speaker 5: My wife's been a diehard Mets fan for forty five

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Speaker 5: fifty years basically, and so it feels like they just

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Speaker 5: run into each other and I can't differentiate.

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Speaker 4: One from the other.

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Speaker 5: And I don't think it's the tipping point as far

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Speaker 5: as Showalter is concerned, because last year he won one

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Speaker 5: hundred and one games. That's the second most victories in

636
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Speaker 5: the history of the New York Mets franchise. Davy Johnson

637
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 5: won one hundred and eight nineteen eighty six, and nobody's

638
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 5: done better than Showalter did in year one. So I

639
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 5: don't think you can fire him in the middle of

640
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 5: year two. I really don't, and so I think he

641
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 5: deserves the rest of the season. However it unfolds and

642
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 5: it's getting uglier by the hour, and then have the

643
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 5: conversation in the offseason is he worthy of year three?

644
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 5: But I think to whack him in the middle of

645
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 5: two would be doing him a real injustice because just

646
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 5: based on his track record, he did so much good

647
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 5: last year and I think, actually you could make a

648
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 5: case I remember the general manager of the Mets, Steve Phillips,

649
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 5: did this in nineteen ninety nine. The Mets were unraveling

650
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 5: and one night he decided, I'm going to fire all

651
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 5: of Bobby Valentine's coaches, and the Mets went on an

652
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 5: absolute tear, made the playoffs and almost made.

653
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 4: The World Series that year.

654
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 5: You could argue it makes sense to fire a coach

655
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 5: right now, or maybe they should have done it last

656
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 5: week and try to ignite the team that way, keeping

657
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 5: Showalter and the GM Billy Eppler in place at least

658
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 5: for now, I think that made that makes more sense

659
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 5: in firing showld.

660
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: You know, they're not hitting, they're not getting the ball

661
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: in play, if Pete Alonzo's not healthy, they don't have

662
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 2: any power. It's pretty simple. They're not doing anything particularly well.

663
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 2: But I would argue, if you look at the Verlanders

664
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 2: and the Shrsers, they were built for late season baseball.

665
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: They almost assumed they would be good late in the year.

666
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: They built this team, you know, for July. You know,

667
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: I would say August fifteenth on to be ready to go.

668
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: So you know, when I look, I always feel you

669
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: can buy relevance. It's very difficult to buy wins. Lindor's

670
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: not playing well, they're not hitting. I was thinking about

671
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: this before the interview today. I can't remember the last

672
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: because the Mets team last year really struggled to put

673
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: together runs and rallies. It wasn't a great hitting team.

674
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: It lacked power. When is the last Maybe it's just again,

675
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 2: you would know this. When's the last Mets team that

676
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: was an offensive power?

677
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: That's a good question, and I'm going back to two thousand.

678
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 5: They're in the World Series against the Yankees, and They've

679
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 5: had a few teams here and there that I would

680
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 5: put in that category at least close to it, certainly

681
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 5: not this one. And you're right, Lindor is now a

682
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 5: three hundred and forty one million dollar player, though he's

683
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 5: been playing better lately, and that's part of the problem.

684
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: Now.

685
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 5: Steve Cohen just had a press conference. I'm not sure

686
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 5: why he called that press confersen, because they really say

687
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 5: a whole hell of a lot other than he's fortunate

688
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 5: to have found Billy Eppler's general manager. Yet I'm still

689
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 5: looking for a president Baseball Operations to effectively replace him,

690
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 5: So I'm not sure how that makes much sense. A

691
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 5: lot of people in baseball believe David Sterens and the

692
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 5: Milwaukee Brewers will be the guy in the offseason when

693
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 5: he's finally a free agent. I think Steve Cohen's been

694
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 5: trying to hire him for a couple of years. And

695
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 5: then you go from there. But it's starting pitching. The Mets,

696
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 5: who used to be known for starting pitching. That's really

697
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 5: what's failed them colin this year, and it's been a

698
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 5: domino effect from that point. It's Verlander, he gives you five,

699
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 5: he throws a hundred pitches, he's got to come out,

700
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 5: and now you have to go to the middle of relief.

701
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 5: That's been a real problem on this team, trying to

702
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 5: get to the good back of the bullpen arms. And

703
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 5: even last night with Hardway coming in the game as

704
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 5: tied game and right away you're trailing.

705
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: That's been the problem.

706
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 5: It's saying to Verlander and other pitchers, the starting pitchers

707
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 5: not giving you any length, and then you're using the

708
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 5: worst players on your team as a bridge, and it's

709
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 5: a very wobbly one at that and that's really been

710
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 5: a big part of why the Mets are where they are.

711
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: You know, I think one of the things I learned

712
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 2: when I lived back out East, and I actually miss

713
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: it is the intensity of the media and the intensity

714
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: of the pressure. For all the money the Mets have

715
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: now and for all the money the Yankees have had

716
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: for years, I couldn't say the last time the Yankees

717
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: drafted and developed an ace. They just they went and

718
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: purchased pitching. And I understand that. You could say they

719
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: have great revenue, but so do the Braves, and they

720
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: do it. So to the Dodgers, and they do it.

721
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: Braves have no problem with that. It's not just a

722
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: revenue issue. Is it possible that? And I saw this

723
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: with the Brooklyn Nets. The downside in New York is

724
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: it's expensive to live there, it's expensive to travel. You

725
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: need to win. People aren't going to spend money on

726
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: those tickets. When there's two NFL teams, two Baseball teams,

727
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: two NBA that some of what has happened in New

728
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: York Baseball is just a pressure cooker in the reality

729
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: of this baseball centric market. It puts enormous pressure on players.

730
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 5: Well, certainly that's part of it, and particularly when baseball

731
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 5: is the ultimate like golf, the ultimate game of failure.

732
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 5: And on top of that, the twenty four to seven

733
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 5: scrutiny and the social media age. New York being the biggest,

734
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 5: loudest market is certainly in there among the reasons that

735
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 5: you could rank at the top of the list as

736
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 5: to why the Mets in particular are unraveling this season.

737
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 5: I think the Yankees with that third wildcard, are going

738
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 5: to make the playoffs every year, and that third wildcard,

739
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 5: And with the Mets, who should keep you If you're

740
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 5: spend ending X amount of dollars, you should be in

741
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 5: the tournament. And in baseball, as you know, we saw

742
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 5: last year with the Phillies, and of course they made

743
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 5: a change in the middle of the season firing Girardi.

744
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 5: Once you get in anything can happen, particularly in baseball.

745
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 5: It's like, and I had this conversation with Alex Rodriguez

746
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 5: years ago, and to some extent with Aaron Judge. In

747
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 5: baseball or in basketball, you give Lebron James and his

748
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 5: prime the ball every time up the floor in a

749
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 5: big spot. You can't send Aaron Judge or a rod

750
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 5: to the plate every time in the ninth inning in

751
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 5: a big spot in October.

752
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: It's not the way baseball works.

753
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 5: So there's a lot on the individual superstar in baseball,

754
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 5: like Gay Lindor is not really a superstar.

755
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 4: He's not playing like one.

756
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 5: Or any of these guys to try to carry a

757
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 5: team because they can only do so much.

758
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 4: It's the nature of that sport.

759
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 5: So I think there's a lot of pressure on the

760
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 5: stars in baseball because they can't impact winning and losing

761
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 5: like a quarterback in football or a two guard in

762
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 5: the NBA.

763
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 4: New York magnifies that in baseball.

764
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 5: And I think again, going back to the Mets where

765
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 5: they are right now, is that they didn't develop the

766
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 5: picture that they did develop the Grom left, of course,

767
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 5: and Matt Harvey was good for a while they developed him,

768
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 5: and right now they don't have a top pitching prospect.

769
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: So Cohen realized that when he bought the team.

770
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 5: So I'm going to go out and spend a ton

771
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 5: of money on the Max Scherzers and Justin Verlanders and

772
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 5: try to do it that way. The problem is it

773
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 5: leaves you with a four hundred and forty five million

774
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 5: dollar bill at the end of the season that could

775
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 5: be a sub.

776
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 4: Five hundred season.

777
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: You know, you tweeted something the other day about Otani

778
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: and the Mets, and it's kind of understood. The Dodgers

779
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: this offseason pulled back. They let Cody Bellinger go. Kershaw's

780
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: contract was quick, justin Turner. They pulled back on revenue,

781
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: and the feeling was they were saving another seventy five

782
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: million for the Otani deal. A remarkable player, but the

783
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: Angels are literally the least talked about franchise in Southern

784
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: California outside of the hockey teams, So the Dodgers. There's

785
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: a real sense that Otani and the Dodgers are working

786
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. Though though the Angels have said we'd

787
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 2: never trade for him, I'm not sure or trade him.

788
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why if I could get if I

789
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: could get something for Otani knowing he's leaving, So there's

790
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: a sense in Southern California he'll be a Dodger. They

791
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: certainly have the revenue streams. They outdraw I think the

792
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: second place Yankees by seven thousand people per game. I mean,

793
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: the Dodgers are an enormously popular franchise like the Yankees

794
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: in New York. It's a it's an ATM machine. Boston

795
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like they can compete financially. John Carlos Stanton.

796
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: It's not a miss, but it's not worth what they

797
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: paid for him. Garrett Cole's not a miss, but it

798
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like it's been a hit. Sure'ser not a hit.

799
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: Would the match of the Yankees be willing to spend

800
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: the most money ever on a baseball star? Would they?

801
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 5: I think the Mets will and the Yankees will not

802
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 5: be willing to do that. I think Eric call I'd

803
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 5: push back a little bit on that. I think he's

804
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 5: had a couple of shaky postseason moments, but he's I

805
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 5: think he's lived up to the terms of his contract,

806
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 5: and so I think Steve Cohen, now this is more

807
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 5: reason for him to god and spend god knows what

808
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 5: six hundred and fifty million dollars to try to outbid

809
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 5: the Dodgers for Otani. This is going to be fascinating

810
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 5: to watch because the Mets are going to miss the

811
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 5: playoffs or eight and a half games behind the third

812
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 5: wildcard spot, which is really hard to believe at four

813
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 5: hundred and forty five million when you include the revenue

814
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 5: luxury taxes that Steve Cohen is paying.

815
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 4: So is he going to double down when his farm.

816
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 5: System is not producing great talent right now, at least

817
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 5: on the pitching front. And we'll see about Alvarez, who

818
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 5: I think will be a really good catcher for the

819
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 5: next dozen years for the Mets. Baby will see. But

820
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 5: I do think Steve Cohen now has more reason to

821
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 5: go all in on Otani and try to outbid the

822
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 5: Dodgers and just spend them into oblivion. Is a guy

823
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 5: who's worth eighteen billion dollars or close to it. So

824
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 5: that is going to be a deathmatch in the offseason

825
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 5: between the Dodgers and the Mets.

826
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: I think the Dodgers will win it.

827
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 5: They're certainly the leader in the clubhouse, but I think

828
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 5: Steve Cohen is going to make them really sweat on

829
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 5: that one and spend a lot more money than they

830
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 5: really want to spend.

831
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: All right, pivot to football. The early season schedule is

832
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: rough for the Jets. Aaron's never played behind a mediocre

833
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: offensive line. One of the things New England and the

834
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: Packers have done is established consistent top ten O lines

835
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: without drafting offensive linemen in the first round. So I

836
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: mean he's had Pro bowlers all over the O line.

837
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: So this old line is Elijah Vera Tucker. Major questions

838
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: at both tackles. I believe a rookie center, not a

839
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: ton of depth. I think it's a little bit of

840
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: an undoing for this. This is going to be first

841
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: defensive coach for Aaron Rodgers, first suboptimal O line, really

842
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: tough division and a harsh city that's not terribly forgiving.

843
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: What is a realistic expectation for the Jets nation? For

844
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: the people you talk to when you write a column,

845
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: the reaction, It's easy for me to just say, I mean,

846
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: I think it's a nine win team. The division's probably

847
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: the best in football. What say you and a New

848
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: Yorker who's a Jets fan? What is realistic that will

849
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: satisfy them at year end? Take a Super Bowl out.

850
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 5: I'll say ten and seven, make the Wildcard, finish second

851
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 5: behind Buffalo, and win a Wildcard round game and then

852
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 5: losing the divisional round at Kansas City at Cincinnati, get

853
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 5: whacked in that second playoff game.

854
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 4: But I think that's the problem is look at that schedule.

855
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 5: I mean, the first ten games, they could be three

856
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 5: and seven and not be playing that poorly, playing both

857
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 5: super Bowl teams right Philly and Kansas City. They're in

858
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 5: that division, they're starting against Buffalo, but at home, so

859
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 5: that's a game they really almost have to win if

860
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 5: you look at the first ten games. So I think

861
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 5: the formula for success, at least the way I define

862
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 5: it is go four and six in those first ten games,

863
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 5: and then they're winnable games those finals seven. They can

864
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 5: go maybe five and two sixty one, sneak into the

865
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 5: playoffs as a wild card, win a game, and then

866
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 5: face the end in the division around at Kansas City.

867
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 4: So I think that's a successful season.

868
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 5: And then add to enter year two of Aaron Rodgers

869
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 5: as one of the Super Bowl favorites to get out

870
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 5: of the AFC, I think that is at least somewhat realistic,

871
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 5: but maybe to too optimistic perhaps, And talking to some

872
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 5: Jets fans who are used to I always say this,

873
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 5: they hate when I say it. The Jets have not

874
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 5: reached the super Bowl, never mind win one since man

875
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 5: stepped on the moon.

876
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 4: That was a long time ago. They're used to.

877
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 5: They're wired to feel the worst is going to happen.

878
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 5: But I'm going to be pretty optimistic and I'll say

879
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 5: ten and seven and make the playoffs.

880
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be really interesting. Because the Packers furnished him

881
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: with very good protection and two offensive coaches. Say what

882
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: you will about Mike McCarthy, there is We're seeing this

883
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: in New England with Belichick, who's virtually tone deaf to

884
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: offense made a DCDOC can't draft skilled players to save

885
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: his life. Even the best defensive coaches, they really they

886
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: don't talk the same language. So this is Aaron's and

887
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett's coming off for bruising, ugly performance in Denver.

888
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: So I do feel the pressures really on Aaron to

889
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: run the offense, and he's okay at that, but he

890
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: can also be a little aloof and a little disengaged

891
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 2: at times. Here's the thing that I've noticed about Aaron

892
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: that I don't think he's a bad guy. He can

893
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: be a little bit of a finger pointer, a little

894
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: passive aggressive when things go south. New York is going

895
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: to force you to answer tough questions. A green Bay

896
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 2: Midwestern media in is just not the same.

897
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 4: Like you drive.

898
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: I can remember driving to work when I was at ESPN,

899
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: and I would turn on New York radio and it

900
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: would set the tone for the discussion of the week,

901
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: like it's a tone setter, And I think you can

902
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: kind of roll your eyes. If you're Aaron Rodgers at

903
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: the small market, you know, Green Bay, relax, you go

904
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 2: relax to New Yorkers, that's not gonna play like they're

905
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: don't relax. What they're known for is intensity. How do

906
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: you think the Aarin media thing will play out?

907
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: Well?

908
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 4: So far, it's been a really good marriage.

909
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 5: I think he came in wanting to make the best

910
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 5: possible impression on the New York market, the fans, and

911
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 5: the media. I think the New York media thing is

912
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 5: a little bit of a mid since I've been in

913
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 5: it for thirty seven years. In that I think there's

914
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 5: just more of us would probably judge you a little

915
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 5: more harshly than every other market outside of Boston. But

916
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 5: I don't think the New York media is unfair. It's

917
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 5: large and it's tough, but not unfair. So he's got

918
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 5: an opportunity here. I think if you ever won a championship,

919
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 5: what would that do for his legacy? I mean, you

920
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 5: have Tom Brady's sitting there on the top of the

921
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 5: mountain with seven rings and Aaron's at one. If you

922
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 5: want to close that legacy gap to win a Super

923
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 5: Bowl for the New York Jets would go a long

924
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 5: way towards doing that, and so I think Rogers he

925
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 5: may have been disengaged in Green Bay, particularly at the

926
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 5: end he does. He has occasionally pointed fingers in a

927
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 5: passive aggressive way, but he hasn't been that figure so

928
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 5: far in New York at all.

929
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 4: I went out to all.

930
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 5: The open OTAs and by all accounts talking to players, coaches, executives,

931
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 5: he has been fully engaged in meeting rooms and practices

932
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 5: and just watching him. He's constantly talking to receivers, the

933
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 5: tight ends, offensive linemen, Hey do this. Let's talk about

934
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 5: that cut you just made coming out of your route.

935
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 5: I kind of like you to do it this way.

936
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 5: There's been a ton of that so so far. It's early.

937
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 5: Obviously we haven't started training camp yet. He has been

938
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 5: a very very good leader on and off the field

939
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 5: by all accounts. Let's see if it holds up, and

940
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 5: let's see how that translates on the field in September

941
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 5: when they play for real.

942
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 4: But as much as people.

943
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 5: Have talked about what an all time great quarterback can

944
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 5: do for this hapless franchise, I think there's a lot that.

945
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 4: New York Jets can do for Aaron Rodgers.

946
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 5: Like I just said, if he somehow can win one

947
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 5: in the two or three years that he plays here

948
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 5: in New York and gets ring number two, it's going

949
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 5: to feel like he won four rings. It's almost like

950
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 5: what Messier did coming to New York in ninety four,

951
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 5: even though he had won five in Edmonton.

952
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 4: He wins a Cup ends a.

953
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 5: What a fifty fifty four year drought, and the one

954
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 5: cup people talk about when they talk about his legacy

955
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 5: is the one he won for the Rangers in New York.

956
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 5: And he'll tell you that too. So I think that's

957
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 5: the kind of opportunity that Rogers has. Let's see how

958
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 5: it plays out.

959
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: I want to get a Knicks discussion in because the

960
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 2: free agent stuff today. When this airs on Friday, the

961
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: free agent opens up. I've said this, I believe Jalen

962
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: Brunson is the perfect New York Knicks star. So when

963
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: I lived in Connecticut and I still have friends in

964
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 2: New York, the Knicks were actually the most popular team.

965
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: Here's why. Because my baseball friends were split and my

966
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: NFL fans were split, Giants, Jets, Yankees, Mets. Everybody had

967
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: the Knicks as their favorite New York team or second

968
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: like some people would be big Yankee fans, but the Knicks,

969
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: the Nets were irrelevant the Knicks. Every friend I had

970
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: in the Northeast love the Knicks. It's an incredible baseball market.

971
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: It reminds me of Golden State. I grew up with

972
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: the Rick Berry, Al Addles, the coach, Clifford Ray, Jeff Mullen,

973
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: Keith Wilkes teams, and then they were bad forever, and

974
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: people forgot how great the Bay Area is at a

975
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: basketball city. When I lived out East, I couldn't believe

976
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: the Knicks would sell out. They were poorly owned, poorly run,

977
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 2: not likable, couldn't get tickets. And I said a couple

978
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: months ago, I said, Jalen Brunson is literally like Phil Simms.

979
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 2: He's becoming a star in New York, and I don't

980
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: know how great he is. That guy fits that city

981
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: like Villanova, late rounder, tough, accountable, almost better in big spots,

982
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: like better in the fourth than the first quarter, better

983
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: against the heat than he would be against the magic.

984
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: They have Julius Randall, there's Josh Hart, there's RJ.

985
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 4: Barrett.

986
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: To you, Randall feels like an expensive two. He's probably

987
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: more of a three. Do you think there is a

988
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 2: deal around Brunson that feels like because Brunson's going to

989
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 2: need another high end player? Is there something? Is it

990
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: a zion be a fortune teller here? What do you

991
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: think feels right?

992
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 4: I wrote this a while back. I always thought Carl

993
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 4: Anthony Towns would end up a Nick.

994
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 5: Grew up in New Jersey ties with Leon Roseho's running

995
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 5: the Knicks now as his former client. And obviously it

996
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 5: didn't work well with Tibbs the first time around in Minnesota.

997
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 5: They clashed, and I think part of that was Jimmy Butler.

998
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 5: But I think that I know for a fact that

999
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 5: Tom Thibodeau would be more than willing to coach Karl

1000
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 5: Anthony Towns again. Now the question is how much better

1001
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 5: do you think kat is than Julius Randall? Is there

1002
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 5: a significant difference between those two players. I think he's

1003
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 5: better than Randall and Randall Colin if you look at it,

1004
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 5: and his two playoff opportunities with the Knicks hasn't played

1005
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 5: that well. Now, he did restore most of his value

1006
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 5: this year after last year's near disaster or but he

1007
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 5: played at a really high level in the regular season

1008
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 5: this year, and I think he does have value around

1009
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 5: the league to some extent. So I think you could

1010
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 5: package him with the Knicks have a lot of draft

1011
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 5: assets and some good emerging young players to get a

1012
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 5: Carl Anthony Towns if you feel like I do believe

1013
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 5: now that I didn't think this when they got Jalen Brunson.

1014
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 5: I think you can win a championship with Jalen Brunston

1015
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 5: as your second best player. I did not think that

1016
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 5: when they signed him. I don't know how you felt.

1017
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 5: I just can't get over how impressed I am with

1018
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 5: him and everything you said I agree with about Brunson

1019
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 5: on and off the court.

1020
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 4: Brunson, See, here's the problem with the Knicks. To me,

1021
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 4: it's almost an RJ Barrett problem.

1022
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 5: R J Barrett is a good player, and he's going

1023
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 5: to be a good player for a long time, but

1024
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 5: I don't think he'll ever be a great player. And

1025
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 5: the problem is when you're six to six in the

1026
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 5: NBA in today's NBA, and he's a good athlete, but

1027
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 5: he's not explosive athletically, and he's not a good outside

1028
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 5: shoot now a good shooter from three. So I think

1029
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 5: when you're six to six in the NBA. To'd be

1030
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 5: great or at least very good, you have to be.

1031
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 4: One of those things.

1032
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 5: And so he represents the franchise the right way. He's

1033
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 5: a hard worker, he's a good player. I'm just not

1034
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 5: sure he's ever going to be more than that. So

1035
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 5: if he's positioned to be your third star, I'm not

1036
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 5: sure that's good enough. So if you yes, should they

1037
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 5: try to be in on Zion Wimson. Absolutely. I think

1038
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 5: Zion always wanted to play for the Knicks, and you

1039
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 5: could bring him in here and say, just get in shape,

1040
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 5: and you can take New York away from the two Errands,

1041
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 5: Judge and Rogers.

1042
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 4: This city will be yours.

1043
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 5: Because I was there in the nineties when the Knicks

1044
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 5: were good, knocking on the door and never won a title.

1045
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 5: They were bigger than the Yankees, who were winning titles

1046
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 5: both on the MSG network. The Knicks were the number

1047
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 5: one property on that network. So it can happen. Zion Williamson,

1048
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 5: you come to New York, which is where you wanted

1049
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 5: to be coming out of Duke, get in shape, play

1050
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 5: seventy out of eighty two games, and you can take

1051
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 5: this city away from the two Errands.

1052
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 4: I think that's that's certainly possible.

1053
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Carl Anthony Towns is more offensively skilled

1054
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: than Julius Randall. He doesn't give you the consistent effort.

1055
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: Julius is one of those players that plays hard every night,

1056
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: and that is so important in the regular season, but

1057
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: when everybody plays hard in the playoffs, his dominance is

1058
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: reduced and he becomes a really solid player. He really

1059
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 2: is an effort guy. He just out works people and

1060
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: ends up with twenty three points in the regular season.

1061
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: So I think he's a and he's pretty expensive. I

1062
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: like Julius Randall. I feel like the league sort of

1063
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: left him, like he gives you a bucket, not a three,

1064
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 2: And I feel like the Lakers kind of bailed on him.

1065
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: And I had a conversation with a Laker executive once.

1066
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, nobody plays harder, nobody shows up

1067
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: every night. He just needs to be your three, not

1068
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 2: your two or yr one. So I'm with you. I

1069
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 2: think if they get a one Jalen Bruns into two,

1070
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: I think they'll move RJ.

1071
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: Barrett.

1072
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: I'm with you. There's not really a there there. Like

1073
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys in my years of being

1074
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: a sportscaster. There are guys in the NBA. I mean

1075
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins. Was this in Minnesota? You got twenty four

1076
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 2: a night. You didn't remember a bucket, You just didn't,

1077
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: And it's just like, how did he score? There was

1078
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 2: a player Sharif Abdul Raheem. Do you remember him the four?

1079
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 4: I do?

1080
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, twenty four a night. I don't remember any

1081
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: of the points. And then there's guys like Julius Randall

1082
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: or Brunson. You remember all of them. They're very impactful.

1083
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: So I think Karl Anthony Towns works and they also

1084
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: the Knicks also have some big athletic guys like Obi Toppin.

1085
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: They're not great players, but they certainly can be excellent

1086
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: rotational players in a place like Minnesota. They've got some

1087
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: size and athleticism in youth.

1088
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mitchell Robinson is a good room protector, although he

1089
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 5: might have to go in a deal if you're getting

1090
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 5: cute at But I also think if you look at Minnesota,

1091
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 5: what's Anthony Edwards is still twenty one years old? The

1092
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 5: guy's averaging twenty five points a game at age twenty one.

1093
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 5: You got Gobert there. I think Julius Randall is a

1094
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 5: better fit with Gobert than Karl Anthony Towns is. So

1095
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 5: you try to look at it. What's realistic and it's

1096
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 5: not realistic to get certain players in the NBA to

1097
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 5: New York. I think now that they've established some credibility

1098
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 5: there and Dolan hasn't talked about as much as he

1099
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 5: was years ago. I think Kat is a big name

1100
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 5: that is realistic for a lot of reasons that we've.

1101
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Speaker 4: Talked about here.

1102
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 5: Now. Whether or not he's a guy who can get

1103
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 5: you to the NBA Finals with Brunson, I don't know.

1104
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 5: You might have to upgrade Barrett alongside those two two

1105
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 5: to get to that point, but I think it's a

1106
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Speaker 5: start

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Speaker 4: The volume