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Speaker 1: This is Wins and Losses with Clay Trevis, play talks

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Speaker 1: with the most entertaining people in sports, entertainment and business.

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Speaker 1: Now here's Clay Trevis. Welcome in Wins and Losses podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am Clay Travis. Appreciate you guys listening to us

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Speaker 1: and joining the series of Wins and Losses. If this

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Speaker 1: back and checking out a lot of our other guests,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Shant Terry who founded seven Sports and Rivals,

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Speaker 1: Paul Findbaum, Mike Leach, Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports national columnists.

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Speaker 1: We have been all over the place, Jason Whitlock talking

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Speaker 1: a good team in the league, right, the team that

433
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Speaker 1: was going to go on and win. So this groundball

434
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Speaker 1: kind of gets misplayed a little bit, gets picked up,

435
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Speaker 1: thrown to third. Our guy beats it easy right, like

436
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Speaker 1: it's should be basis loaded, one out, umpire. Umpire calls

437
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Speaker 1: him out. I got a perfect view on it, like

438
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Speaker 1: it's an awful call. And I'm like, oh, you know,

439
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: like so how much how much do you argue? Because

440
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: the year before we lost a game because a runner

441
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Speaker 1: was called out for running outside the base paths because

442
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 1: he was trying to avoid running over a shortstop fielding

443
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: a ball, right, and the the head coach, yeah, that's

444
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: exactly right. Yeah. So last year we were like we

445
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: should have said something because it was the wrong call

446
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Speaker 1: and it cost our kids game. But we didn't want

447
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: to be the dads who were like, you know, overreacting.

448
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: But we're like, hey, if the rule gets blown, like

449
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: you should, you know, like it's it's so I said

450
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Speaker 1: to the umpire, said, hey you missed that one, and

451
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Speaker 1: he and and so as I'm jogging off the field.

452
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: I I stopped to him and I say, hey, like

453
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Speaker 1: you just I mean that wasn't really very close. I

454
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Speaker 1: mean he was all the way on the bag, like

455
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: about to stand up, and you called him out and

456
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: the umpire said I don't care. And I was like,

457
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Speaker 1: all the things you could say to me, I don't

458
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Speaker 1: care is the worst thing you could say, like your

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Speaker 1: only job, Like, hey, I'm sorry. I saw Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what I said. And then I kept going and

461
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Speaker 1: eventually like somebody had to come out into like I

462
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: kept but I was like when he said I don't care,

463
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Speaker 1: that was like it set me off. I was like,

464
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Speaker 1: of all the things you could say to somebody when

465
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Speaker 1: you miss a call, hey, I saw it differently, Hey,

466
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Speaker 1: I'm my bad. You know, we'll try to make it

467
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Speaker 1: up to you later, like you know you could like

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Speaker 1: there's some sort of it was a private conversation, but

469
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Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care. I was like, well,

470
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: you're getting paid. This is not for free, right, Like

471
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: you're being paid the best you The least you could

472
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: do is at least try to get the call right.

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Speaker 1: And if you miss one and you get called on it,

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Speaker 1: then at least have the gumption to say, you know what,

475
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: I missed that one. That's my bad. Oh oh, well,

476
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: that's that's funny. Like so I jogged over. Another parent

477
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Speaker 1: came over and he was like, you just gotta leave

478
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Speaker 1: him alone. I know. He blew it, like you just

479
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: gotta stop talking. And it was like, yeah, it was

480
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: like you know, probably a seventeen or eighteen year old kid.

481
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Speaker 1: He's like, you're just lucky he wasn't looking at his

482
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Speaker 1: phone when the play happened. Uh was what the was

483
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Speaker 1: what the other parents said. And by the way, this

484
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Speaker 1: is wins and losses. I'm Clay Travis. We're talking with

485
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Speaker 1: Kirk curb Street. Um, so that that's the balancing act, right,

486
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: is UH trying to figure out? And you just mentioned it.

487
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Speaker 1: While you mentioned it, You've got sons at Clemson, you

488
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: went to Ohio State. You talk about every college football

489
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Speaker 1: program under the sun. You have relationships probably bly with

490
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Speaker 1: coaches and training staff and everybody else on every program,

491
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Speaker 1: major program, certainly in the country. How in the world

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Speaker 1: do you avoid, uh, making people think that you are

493
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Speaker 1: incredibly biased one way or there. This is something we

494
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: talked about before privately, but it's the number one thing

495
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: in a social media ages, you're doing game day, you're

496
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: calling a game, you give an opinion, and people immediately decide, Oh,

497
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Speaker 1: it's because you're in favor of X team and you're

498
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Speaker 1: against YE team. You're pro the SEC, you're pro the

499
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Speaker 1: Big Ten. You love Ohio State, but you moved out

500
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: of Columbus and trying to make up for it, you

501
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: hate him, Like how do you balance all that out?

502
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: And and do you even read the mentions after a

503
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Speaker 1: game or after like do you even try to? I'm

504
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: just there's so much noise. I'm curious what you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's all sir um. First, I think in you and

506
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Speaker 1: I've spoken in the past, We've known each other for

507
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: a long time now, but you kind of know how

508
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: I am. I mean, I take so much pride in

509
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Speaker 1: my preparation and so much pride and in the game itself.

510
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: Like I've watched games go through five highlights of the

511
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Speaker 1: Tennessee Florida game, Like I watch, you know, from the

512
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 1: opening kickoff to the last play of the game, and

513
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: I do that. I have done that every Saturday for

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Speaker 1: the last twenty five years. So I don't I don't

515
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: whether you like what I say, or you don't like

516
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: what I say. That that that I have no problem with.

517
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Speaker 1: But the people that think I am an agenda, like

518
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: what how can I possibly have an agenda? When you know,

519
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: if you think about it, I watch as much as

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00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: I can, and I talked to as many people as

521
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: I can, the coaches and the players who are involved,

522
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: and then I give you an opinion. In some weeks,

523
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: it might be for your team, and that's when you

524
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: get man, you're amazing, You're so good at what you

525
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: and then the next week it's against your team, and

526
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: now it's you're such a homer, or you're you're a hater,

527
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: you're a trader. It's like when aren't people going to

528
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: figure year out? Like I don't have time to keep

529
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: score of like who I'm supposed to be for who

530
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm against? I just say what I think, you know,

531
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Speaker 1: Like the last two years, Ohio State always seems to

532
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: be in the crosshairs of the playoff. In the last

533
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Speaker 1: two years, I have adam rely said after the conference

534
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: championship games, because it's a big zoo from the time

535
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: the SEC uh SEC championship game, the Big Ten championship game,

536
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: and then that game ends and then the debate in

537
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: the frenzy literally begins that night on Sports Center for

538
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Speaker 1: US until the next day when we announced who the

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00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: four teams are. And if anybody's really watched me, they've

540
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: seen in one in one year. In fourteen, Ohio State

541
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: was sitting at six and t FU and Baylor were

542
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: ahead of them, and they went out with a third

543
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: string quarterback, Cardil Jones and Wisconsin fifty nine and nothing

544
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. And I went on TV after

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Speaker 1: that and I said, is based on the way they've

546
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: been playing all year, the fact that they proved with

547
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: a third string quarterback. If anything, they're not taking any

548
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: steps back. I think they put an exclamation on their

549
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: end of their season, and I think Ohio States a

550
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: better team that they should be in the top four.

551
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: Of course, I was in Ohio State at home or

552
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: a bah. They went on to win the national championship,

553
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: beat Alabama, beat Oregon. Well, the last two years, I've

554
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: been very very adamant about Ohio State not deserving to be.

555
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: In fact, two years ago I walked off the set

556
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: because I said, if they put Alabama and Georgia in,

557
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: I'll be It's the right thing to do. But there's

558
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: no way they're gonna be too worried about being politically correct.

559
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: There's no way this committee is going to do the

560
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: right thing. They're gonna worry about Jim Delaney and all

561
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: the other politics. They're gonna put the Ohio state in

562
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: even though Alabama should be in there, and sure enough, boom,

563
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: Alabama shows up. I walk off the set as in,

564
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: I was so proud of the committee. I was so like,

565
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: I can't believe we live in an era where the

566
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: committee doesn't worry about politics. Like the A people would

567
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: have definitely slated well they lost, they won move Ohio

568
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: State up. Like here were people using their collective minds

569
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: and reasoning to put the four best teams in and

570
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: sure enough, Alabama deserve that opportunity, and they got put in.

571
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: I walk off the set. People thought I was walking

572
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: off the set boycotting that Alabama. I'm like, do you

573
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 1: not listen? Like, well, how do you miss that? Like

574
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: I was? I was dumbfounding excited. So anyway, this is

575
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: just a couple examples of every week for me. So

576
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: what I've learned a long time ago is just gather

577
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: as much information as I can from very reliable people

578
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: who are involved in the games and playing and coaching,

579
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: watch as much football as anybody in the country, and

580
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: then just give my opinion and and and not really

581
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: worry about it. Lets let's let's let things just fall

582
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: where they where they may, and and just go about

583
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: my business and probably just like you. I mean, when

584
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: you're in our world, that's that's really all you can do.

585
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: But I don't really get caught out. I could say

586
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: one sentence and I'm a big tan Ohio State homer,

587
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: and the same sentence, I'm an Ohio State hater and

588
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: ann sec hole. So you can't win with those people.

589
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: So I try not to worry a lot about offending

590
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: kind of that lunatic fringe or what what they might

591
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: be upset about, because if they're not upset with me,

592
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: they're upset with you, or they're upset with someone else,

593
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Or that always upset. I mean,

594
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: that's the passion is what makes college football, I think,

595
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: the best sport that exists in our country right like

596
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: in terms of sure enjoyment and everything else. But that

597
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: also the passion can flip and turn into what makes

598
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: it the scariest and the wildest. Uh. And we'll get

599
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: to like versions of that maybe in a little bit.

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00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: But I want to circle back now. So you're you

601
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: get that first amazing letter from Ohio State. Um, and

602
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 1: you said your dad obviously was a coach. Do you

603
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: remember being around what he hayes and like getting to

604
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: meet some of those guys back in the down Oh yeah,

605
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: I remember sitting on what he has his lap as

606
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: a as a kid and looking up to him at

607
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: that age it's like probably, uh, you're either middle or

608
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: youngest son looking up there. You know. For me, it

609
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: was like in the mid seventies and Archie Griffin was

610
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: on the team, and I put Archie Griffin's helmet on

611
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: in the locker room, went home one of the years

612
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: he won the Heisman and sat on what he hayes

613
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: his lap after the game with his white shirt with

614
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: his cut off sleeves and his glasses and his hat on,

615
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: and I'm literally looking up at zeus, you know, like

616
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: me at that age, like I'm like like like are

617
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Like this isn't real, you know, And

618
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: to have a chance to come around, you know, my

619
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: dad would take me from time to time. He didn't

620
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: abuse that, but he would take me from time to

621
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: time and ended up actually going to Woody's funeral when

622
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: I was in tenth grade. And you know, I was

623
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: around bow quite a bit. Boschen Beckler, who my dad

624
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: and he coached together and became really good friends and

625
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: and stayed in touch, and then he recruited me pretty heavily,

626
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: and and UM just just stuff that UM for me was,

627
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, looking back at it, UM just obviously helped

628
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: develop the person that I became. Because if you would

629
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: have asked me as a senior in high school when

630
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: sports were you know, I was really starting to kind

631
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: of grow and who knew what I was. I was

632
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: trying to shoot for the stars. You would have said,

633
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: what's your perfect scenario in your life? What would you

634
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: want to do? At that time? I would have said,

635
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: play football Ohio State and play short stuff for the

636
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Reds. Like I grew up with a big red

637
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: machine and Red's Baseball and listening to Marty Brennaman and

638
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: and so I was not I'm going to the NFL

639
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: guy at all. I was I'm going to MLB was

640
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: my thing. But I want a desperately I wanted to

641
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: play college football um and and after that again in

642
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen. My my dream would have been to

643
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: go on to play baseball. So Ohio State recruits you

644
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: and ultimately you end up going there. Did you was

645
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: there any possibility of you going elsewhere? Or in your

646
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: mind did you ever even conceive that you might go

647
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: elsewhere even if you're talking to other schools. Was it

648
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: always if Ohio State offers me a scholarship, I'm going

649
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: there in your mind? Or did you even did you consider?

650
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you talked about meeting Woody and like obviously

651
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: the iconic nature of your connection to Ohio State. What

652
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: kind of recruiting situation did you find yourself in? Well,

653
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: I was I was heavily recruited and being recruited by

654
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: almost every school in the country, and I, in the

655
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: back of my mind knew that I was always going

656
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: to go to Ohio State, but I wanted to be

657
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: involved with the recruiting. Ironically, Earl Bruce my senior year,

658
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: was fired in November of my senior year. He got fired,

659
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: and uh, I had to kind of tread water until

660
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: they named a coach because it took him about three

661
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: or four weeks until they finally announced that John Cooper

662
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: was going to be their head coach, and I was,

663
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: you know USC and Penn State and did you take

664
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 1: did you take other official visits? Yeah, yeah, I looked

665
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: at Michigan and Penn State. I wanted to go out

666
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: to USC, but by the time I decided, I had

667
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: already kind of led them on long enough. I knew

668
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to go out there, um, and so

669
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: I had to just be honest with him and tell

670
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: them that I was had already made it might have

671
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: made up my mind. And then the second that they

672
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: named Johnny Coople, I didn't know John Coople from a

673
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: hole in the wall. I didn't know who he was.

674
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: But we had been talking. My dad had been talking

675
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: to some of the folks at Ohio State that were

676
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: still there after Roll Bruce had gotten fired, and he

677
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: basically told him, when you announced the coach, you know,

678
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: I think Clerk wants to announce, literally as soon as

679
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: his press conference is over, that he's he's going to

680
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: go to Ohio State. And so once they announced it, um,

681
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: I went ahead and said I was gonna go to

682
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: High State. But yeah, I I enjoyed being recruited, but

683
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: I didn't enjoy lying. After a while, I just kind

684
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: of got old, and you start to become friends, like

685
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: friends with the guy that's recruiting you, Like Kevin Steele

686
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: was relentless um. In fact, when I was if you

687
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: go back and look at Tennessee football, if you go

688
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: back to the mid eighties, um, there were some great

689
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: players that were coming out of Southwest Ohio and even

690
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: Chuck Webb who was up in the Toledo area down

691
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: and I would give Kevin Steele all the credit, um

692
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: for his style of recruiting. Relentless friendly. I mean, you

693
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: felt like he was your best friend, you know. And

694
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: so I didn't know a whole lot about Tennessee football

695
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: back when I was growing up, And yet I really

696
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: wanted to go to Tennessee because I wanted to hang

697
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: out with Kevin Steel, like he made such a favorable

698
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: impression on me. And to this day, he and our

699
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: friend now and you know, I followed his career and

700
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: he's obviously doing a great job at Auburn, But um,

701
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: he did such a great job recruiting me that that

702
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: I I very easily could have gone. And if I've

703
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: been funny, if I had the campus should have been

704
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: hard to say no after you get on campus and

705
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: look at their history and tradition, But he was. He

706
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: was recruiting me. I just remember that, um, just because

707
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: of all the other kids that he was able to

708
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: sway out of Ohio and go down to play for Tennessee.

709
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: Can you imagine what it would be like? So you're

710
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: a pretty high level recruit in the nineteen eighties, I

711
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: believe it was. Can you can you imagine what it

712
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: would be like to be a high level recruit now?

713
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: Because you I'd imagine then, like you had coaches who

714
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: come to your school and certainly they could call your home,

715
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: but it's not like you have a cell phone like

716
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: I was. We were driving around, I played golf course

717
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: with Kirby Smart and we were in the card together

718
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: for six hours, and uh, he was just talking about

719
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: the sheer amount because I mean the amount of time

720
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: and contact and it's all text right, Like the amount

721
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: of time that they spend having to interact with these kids,

722
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: Like I just can't imagine year after year you're texting

723
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: with fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year olds. I can't imagine the coach.

724
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: But I also can't imagine being a fifteen, sixteen or

725
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: seventeen year old with you know, multimillion dollar head coaches

726
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: texting you all the time. Can you even imagine what

727
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: that would be like? Now? I can't because back then

728
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: it was just you would you would give him your

729
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: home address, yep, when you've filled out your questionnaire, and

730
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: you would get inundated with so much. Now it got

731
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: to the point where you didn't even open up open

732
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: up the mail. Would it would just it would just

733
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: be piled in your corner of your bedroom and probably

734
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: just hundreds and hundreds of pieces and you just not

735
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: that you're bragging that no, yeah, I open them. It

736
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: just it was the same kind of rhetoric. It was

737
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: the same kind of speel. Yeah, as a fifteen, sixteen,

738
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: seventeen eight year old kid, you just kind of get

739
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: tired of and I would think getting text you know,

740
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: players they probably ghost coaches all the time just kind

741
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: of look at it like, oh, yeah, what's up? You know,

742
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: then they just kind of move. Unless it's a coach

743
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: or a school that you maybe have interest in, then

744
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's a different deal. But yeah, it's one thing

745
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: to get it from Kirby, it's another thing to get

746
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: it from you know, the hundreds of other teams and

747
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: coaches that you're not necessarily interested in that they're just

748
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: wearing wearing your phone out that would get that would

749
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: get tiring for sure. And and not to mention, they

750
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: try to work other angles, whether it's a sister or

751
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: a mom or whoever it is. So um, yeah, that's

752
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: that's that's a different game and something obviously our generation

753
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: didn't have to worry about. So you arrive at Ohio State,

754
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: you're a bally hoo'd recruit. John Cooper's the new head coach.

755
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: How much of a culture shock. It's still in the

756
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: state of Ohio. But and even though you went to

757
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: a high school where people cared a great deal, Ohio

758
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: State ball big time college football. Even if you go

759
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: to a big time high school is a huge step.

760
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: What did it feel like for you as a true

761
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: freshman at Ohio State. Well, first, my dad when he

762
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: dropped me off, he said, you're gonna go in and

763
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna be, you know, highly recruited kid, And it's like,

764
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: I want you to remember this, Uh, kids in your

765
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: class four or five years later, we're gonna look at

766
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: this class and if half of them playing, you'll have

767
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: a very good class. And I was like, what they're

768
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: all gonna play? You're not let me. These guys are

769
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: all everybody's all state. Oh this all that? You know?

770
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: You go to a school like Tennessee, Ohio State. You

771
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: look at every recruiting class, you read every kid's resume,

772
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: and you're just blown away, like you can't imagine winning

773
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: a true freshman Like right now, we just you and

774
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: I were together and we went through Alabama's recruiting class,

775
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: George's or Tennessee's or Ohio State, anybody right now that

776
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: the kids who are rising freshman, we would look at

777
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: their resumes and if we put a star next to who,

778
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: we say it's gonna make it. I bet you added

779
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: twenty five of them. We probably twenty of them, at

780
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: least maybe twenty two of them. If we're trying to

781
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: predict that they're gonna be, they're gonna make it, not

782
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: even become a superstar, just be a major contributor, a starter.

783
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: You would you would be able to find twenty out

784
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: of twenty five easy and sure enough you go back

785
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: and look at recruiting classes. When my dad said that,

786
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: I know he's crazy he's right. I mean, you know,

787
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: whether a guy gets an injury, guy gets homesick, guy

788
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: gets the girl pregnant, back home, guy gets this, guy

789
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: gets back. You start to look at everybody's recruiting class,

790
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: and sure enough you get those that hit you know,

791
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: you're you're having a pretty good class. So he left

792
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: me with that, and I remember walking in and thinking

793
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: I had a really you know, you're talking about highs

794
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: and lows of your lives. I had a really hard

795
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: time just getting over that I belonged in there, like

796
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: you know that the here's a locker room and a

797
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: place that I had always revered and always looked at

798
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: when I went in there as if this was a

799
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: different place, Like this is like going to almost a

800
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: different planet when I was a kid, And now to

801
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: go in there and you're like, now, it's almost like

802
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, the green lantern, you know, It's like now,

803
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I get I get the outfit.

804
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm one of the guys, and I'm I'm wearing this?

805
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I'm not supposed to have this on.

806
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't don't need this, I can't wear this. So

807
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: I you know, for years I had a really hard

808
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: time adjusting, not just to the game and to the

809
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: speed of the game, but just to feeling comfortable and

810
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: feeling as if I was warranted and being in that

811
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: word it was. It was something I had had a

812
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: hard time overcoming initially. Do you think if you had

813
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: been in a different era that would have been a

814
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: transferse situation? You stuck it out, and I bet when

815
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: we get you were really happy. But particularly with quarterbacks,

816
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: it's like you get there that first year and it

817
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: doesn't click, like they're already looking to go elsewhere. Uh

818
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: would that have been you? You think if you had

819
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: grown up in this different era of of college football? Well,

820
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. And I got to

821
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: the point as a red shirt sophomore. They went to

822
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. They brought a kid named Ken Graham and

823
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: who was a backup on a Notre Dame national championship team.

824
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: Tony Rice was the starter, and he had transferred in.

825
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: He had a big arm, big huge guy, a big arm,

826
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: and I have been working like crazy to kind of

827
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: be in a position that I was in, and here

828
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: comes a guy who's transfers in and eventually they were

829
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: looking at him to become a starter. And so I

830
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: was starting to kind of realize, you know that this

831
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: is tough, and and I'm chasing this. I've been chasing

832
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: this for three years, and going into my fourth years

833
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: has sort of been going into my red shirt. I

834
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: guess my red shirt getting the beginning of my red

835
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: shirt junior year, and I was just kind of getting discouraged.

836
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 1: And I remember talking to my dad because I put

837
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: baseball in the back burner and I was as good

838
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: as the baseball, if not better, and I always wished

839
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: I had played that. And I told my dad, you know, Dad,

840
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: I think I just can't take this anymore. I'm not

841
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: sing eyed I with the coaches, with the offense of

842
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: staff and philosophy, and and I really wish I had

843
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: played baseball. So basically looking for an easy way out.

844
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: And I was like, I said, I'm just gonna go

845
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: play baseball. And my dad was like, no, no, You're

846
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: you're not doing that. You're gonna you're gonna you're gonna

847
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: go through spring ball. You're gonna compete, and you're gonna

848
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: see where things are and we'll kind of see, you know,

849
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: where you are after that, and when you want to

850
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: talk to the coaches about something you know that you

851
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: might want to do. After that, then then you can

852
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: do that. But you're you're not You're not giving up.

853
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: And so I was from a generation when when your

854
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: dad told you that, you listened, and even though I

855
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: didn't agree with it, I equally strapped up my helmet

856
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: and went out and did what I could. And so

857
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: what I found was I outperformed this individual as far

858
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: as the way they keep stats and seven on seven

859
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: when they would keep stats and say okay, Kirky or

860
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: whatever percentage and can't you or whatever percentage? And the

861
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: same in team. And so going into my junior year,

862
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: it was kind of a split thing, but they aired

863
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: on the side, if I think more his potential because

864
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: it is his big arm and it fit the offense

865
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: that they were running. And so we would kind of

866
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: split some some reps and then he would take the

867
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: upper hand and then we'd split some reps and eventually

868
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: he about the middle of the year on he would

869
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: take he would start to take the most of the reps.

870
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: And so while I was discouraged and frustrated, I was

871
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: going into my my last year and after all I've

872
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: been through and I, you know, we don't have enough

873
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: time to kind of talk about everything I've been through.

874
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: I finally sole kind of the light at the end

875
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: of the tunnel, kink I am graduated and it was

876
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: basically my job. And that spring going into my senior year,

877
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: the head coach, John Cooper did something differently and you

878
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: voted for captains in the spring going into uh into

879
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: the summer. They've never done that before, and me and

880
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: a guy named Steve Tovar were voted captains. There were

881
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: just two captains, and I was voted unanimously, and the

882
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: fact that I was voted by my teammates, it was

883
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: like a huge boost for me, and it allowed propelled

884
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: me into the summer and into my senior year with

885
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence despite what I've been through. And

886
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: looking back at it, I guess I get very passionate

887
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: and emotional when I see kids who, to their credit

888
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: or only years old, when they hit some adversity and

889
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: they decided to get into the transfer portal. And I

890
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: look at it now at hindsight, and I think that

891
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: not only did that, that attitude of sticking it out

892
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: helped me to eventually graduate from the home state to

893
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: be part of the Ohio State football family and to

894
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: be appreciated. It was really a turning point and kind

895
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: of a fork in the road in my life as

896
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: an individual. And I wouldn't be sitting here talking to

897
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: you right now. I wouldn't be doing what eventually I

898
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 1: got into. If I would have said, Man, this is terrible,

899
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I'm gonna go play baseball, or

900
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I'm gonna like today's kid, I'm

901
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: gonna go transfer, doing another school. I'm gonna have a

902
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: transfer portal. I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing today.

903
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: And so when I hear kids face, you know, and

904
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: every individual cases, you know, it's different. I'm not saying

905
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: all kids who transfer are making a mistake, but I

906
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: think the kids that see competition and they get the

907
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: short end of the stick maybe and they think this

908
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: isn't fair. Um, I feel like taking the easy way

909
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: out isn't necessarily always the right answer, And especially if

910
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: you're a traditional powerhouse program with big, strong alumni. There's

911
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: something about Jalen Hurts that if you talk to Alabama alumni,

912
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: the fact that he stuck it out and the fact

913
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 1: that he got an opportunity in the SEC Championship game

914
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: to perform and do well, and he graduates from Alabama

915
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: and he moves on. Now he's at Oklahoma. But if

916
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: you if Jalen Hurts goes on to try to play

917
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL, let's say it works out for a

918
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: year or two. Let's say it doesn't work out at all,

919
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: and now he's looking to try to figure out what

920
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: he wants to do with his life. Jalen Hurts is

921
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: going to have an army of people they're gonna want

922
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: to try to help him succeed in life. And a

923
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: lot of those people are gonna be Alabama alumni because

924
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: they're going to see what he went through and how

925
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: he kept fighting and how he put the team ahead

926
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: of himself. And there's something about that quality that people

927
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: are drawn to that. And so I think when I

928
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: see kids just immediately enter enter the transfer portal, I

929
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: think they're looking at a five year window of their

930
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: life and they're not looking at a forty five year

931
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: window of their life, and how that decision can impact

932
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: them in so many ways beyond just playing football. And

933
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: hopefully there's coaches or family members in their lives to

934
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: help them see that, but I'm afraid of many cases, um,

935
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: that's not the case, and they just try to find

936
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: that theory of the grass as greener on the other

937
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: the other side of the fence, and I think that's

938
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: where they're They're trying to find that quick fix, and

939
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: to me that isn't always the right answer based on

940
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: my experience anyway. Be sure to catch live editions about

941
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: Kicked the coverage with Clay Travis week days at six

942
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: am Eastern, three am Pacific. We're talking to kirkharb Street.

943
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm Clay Travis. This is the Winds and Losses Pot podcast.

944
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: How did your senior year at Ohio State go? It

945
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: went well? I I think I had an injury in

946
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: the second week against Bowling Green. Listening to this, we

947
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: play Bowling Green, who was actually wanted. You know, there's

948
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: always one team in the MAC you just don't want

949
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: to play well Bowling Bowling Green was that team. They

950
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: were outstanding that year and we ended up losing my

951
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: number one receiver by a guy by the name of

952
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: Joey Galloway on a kickoff return towards a c l

953
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: out for the year, another guy by the name of

954
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: Robert Smith cracked three ribs in that game, and we

955
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: lost him for for a few weeks. Um. So, a

956
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: guy named Eddie George started to get more and more

957
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: carries my backfield that year with Eddie, Eddie George, Robert Smith,

958
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: I had Choe Galloway at wide receiver, a kid named

959
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: Brian stade Line who played. By the way. What's remarkable

960
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: is four of those guys that you just mentioned, including you,

961
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,479
Speaker 1: all have ended up making livings in some way talking

962
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: about college football in the NFL. Right, that's right, that's right.

963
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: Do you think about the statistics on that. That's a

964
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: pretty remarkable number of people to all be on the

965
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: same offensive side of the ball. Yeah, that's a great point.

966
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: And all great guys. I mean, Joey and I were

967
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: best friends in college and continue to be really good friends.

968
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: Eddie a really good friend and so happy for what

969
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: he's accomplished obviously here in Nashville, and such a solid dude. Um. So, yeah,

970
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: I mean we ended up. We ended up. The best

971
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: way to describe this is we week three, we play

972
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: at Syracuse on the road. Was this is when they

973
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: had Marvin Graves and they were like fifth or six

974
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: in the country and we were supposed to get killed

975
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: and we ended up beating him and Eddie had like

976
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: three touchdowns in that game. And the very next week

977
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: we're playing a terrible Wisconsin team and we come back

978
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: down again. That's why I'm so big on emotions in

979
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: college football, for you up, are you down? Where are you?

980
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: And we were down against Wisconsin thirty local kick lost

981
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: to a team we should have won. That kind of

982
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: sentence into a little bit of a kind of a

983
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: turned down, kind of a two weeks spin out where

984
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: we just didn't play our best football but ended up

985
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: doing well. We came down to the Michigan game, to

986
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl and we ended up tying them, and

987
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: that was when ties, Yeah, just brutal, and they went

988
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: they had been a roll records, so they went ahead

989
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: over us UM and that was back then there was

990
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: no bcs like you really went to the Rose Bowl

991
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: or it was like you know one year we went

992
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl or Liberty Bowl. It was like Rose Bowl

993
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: or Citrus Bowl. So that's why John Cooper who got

994
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: so much heat, is he could not win that game.

995
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 1: And in many cases, um, you know, the Rose Bowl

996
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: was on the line. And if you want a couple

997
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: of them. I think people would have been pretty happy

998
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: with his era, But losing to Michigan, it's like it's

999
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: like Tennessee losing Alabama every year. I mean, it's just

1000
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: eventually it's going to catch up to and that's that's

1001
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: what out doing. So you finish your career at Ohio

1002
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: State and you do you have any hope at all?

1003
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: You talked about baseball and how you thought you were

1004
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: pretty good. Do you think at that point, hey, I

1005
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 1: have some kind of career beyond Ohio State athletically. What

1006
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: decisions are you making as your college football career comes

1007
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: to a close. And he's a great questions that things

1008
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about in years. UM. I was a

1009
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: business major at Ohio State and marketing major, and one

1010
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: of the things that Ohio State did back then is

1011
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: they had a guy that was assigned to help players

1012
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: that if they wanted to kind of get into um,

1013
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, their field, he would try to connect you

1014
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: with people who were um either either either different alumnie

1015
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: will try to help you kind of get started with

1016
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: your career, or just different companies that would reach out

1017
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: to the athletic department say hey, if you have somebody

1018
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: that's uh, you know, in the pharmaceutical sales. We're looking

1019
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: to maybe high are a couple of guys that kind

1020
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: of thing. So I was interviewing. Graduated in the spring,

1021
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: but I was interviewing throughout early spring, trying to either

1022
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: get into medical sales and pharmaceutical sales. So I was

1023
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: going and I was putting on a suit and tie

1024
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: as a marketing major. I was going to interviews based

1025
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: on this guy's leadership and and just the way he

1026
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: was mentoring me. And I was getting a lot of opportunities.

1027
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: There was a company called Worthington Industries that's that's up

1028
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: in Columbus, and um I was getting second and third interviews.

1029
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: So I was balancing that and also thinking, hey, maybe

1030
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: I'll maybe I'll try to do the NFL thing. And

1031
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: what I found was with the NFL, it was hey,

1032
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: we want to bring you in as a free agent

1033
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: and I and I for me, I just again, different era,

1034
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: different time. A lot of guys back in my ear

1035
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: if they didn't get drafted, they would need to go

1036
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: free agency. They would go World League, or they would

1037
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: go Arena League. And I did not want to be

1038
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: a guy that could not cut the cord and just

1039
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: bounce around. You know, what are you doing? Well, I'm

1040
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: playing an arena football, you know, and arena to Like

1041
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: some of these guys, they just cannot let go of

1042
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: their athletic career. I did not want. I had such

1043
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: a phobia against that that I felt like, if I

1044
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: was going to be drafted, I feel chase it the

1045
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: best I could. And if I didn't get drafted, I'm done.

1046
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm moving on. I'm going to find a job and

1047
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: kind of get started with my life. And so when

1048
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: I did not get drafted my senior year, as I said,

1049
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: I had some free agent opportunities could have done the arena.

1050
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: Did you did you have a party for the draft

1051
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: or anything, or were you anticipating that like that would

1052
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: have been a surprise if you yeah, yeah, yeah, No,

1053
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: no party, even if I would have been a first

1054
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: round or I don't know, if I wouldn't have a

1055
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: big party. I I think that's like, I don't know,

1056
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel so bad for those guys they throw

1057
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: the big party and then they don't get drafted on

1058
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: the first night, you know, and then it can go

1059
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: over into the next night. I don't think I would

1060
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: recommend having the big party. I don't know, it's just me,

1061
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: but I know we didn't have any party. It was

1062
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: just again a different time. Guys, a lot of guys

1063
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: didn't really have parties. Joey Galloway was playing basketball when

1064
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: he got drafted seventh or eightes overall. Um, it was

1065
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: just a just kind of a different time. But no, no, no,

1066
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: no draft party for me, nothing like that. Didn't get drafted.

1067
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: Like I said, a few teams call after and see

1068
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: if I had the interest in coming to the free agent.

1069
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: No interest at all. I had just my mind made up.

1070
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: I was moving on, and I had been through a

1071
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: lot in those five years and I was ready to

1072
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: just kind of put that behind me move on. And

1073
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: like I said, I thought I was going to get

1074
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: into the business world. And it took a while I

1075
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: was doing that. I reached out to two local of

1076
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: radio stations that that did talk shows, and I grew

1077
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: up a big sports talk radio fan. Like if you

1078
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: got into my car as a teenager, um, you know

1079
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: a lot of times people were listening to music and

1080
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: going to party and if you got into my car,

1081
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: I was heading to the parties. It's just I was

1082
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: listening to Reds Baseball with Marty and Joe, or I

1083
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: was listening to seven WW listening to Andy Ferman and

1084
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth talking sports like that's that's what I did.

1085
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: There was no satellite radio, there's nothing like that. I

1086
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: listened to the local radio that happened to be WW

1087
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: and Cincinnati, which was a big station, and that's what

1088
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: I did. That was like my hobby. I really enjoyed

1089
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: listening to talk radio and thought that that would be

1090
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: a really cool job if I got older and had

1091
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: that opportunity. So with that in mind, as I'm doing

1092
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: these interviews for these these pharmaceutical sales and medical sales, um,

1093
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: I just threw a couple of floaters out to these

1094
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: local AM stations to see if there might be any

1095
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: opportunities for them to have. You know, last year study

1096
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: that talked about the upcoming football team, and nothing really

1097
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: happened for a few months, and then late spring early summer,

1098
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: one of them responded and said, it's ironic you're reaching

1099
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: out or changing our format basically from elevator music to

1100
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: an all sports format. You know that that was just

1101
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the time when all sports radio

1102
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: is starting to kind of become a thing, and they

1103
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: were going to start an afternoon drive talk show with

1104
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: the guy that they called the Voice of the buck Eyes,

1105
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: the guy who did the play by play, and he

1106
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: needed a partner, and they were gonna pay me if

1107
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: I would do it. They were gonna pay me twelve

1108
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: thousand dollars with no benefits and you know, not nothing,

1109
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: just twelve thousand dollars. This would have been what year,

1110
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: like roughly, um, this would have been nineteen spring of

1111
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: nineties nineties. So for people they're listening, it wasn't. Twelve

1112
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: thousand dollars was not what I was getting at it is.

1113
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: Twelve thou dollars was not a lot of money in either.

1114
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no. But here's the thing.

1115
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: So I got to the last interview was one of

1116
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: these pharmaceutical sales John's. I thought I was gonna take it.

1117
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: Took a year, a sample of the whole nine yards

1118
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: past it. I mean, they're ready to hire me, and

1119
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: they say, is this this radio saying if you're gonna

1120
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: take it, you can't you can't become a sales rep

1121
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: for us. And you're traveling around, you know, different cities,

1122
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be on the road a lot. We

1123
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: can't we can't guarantee you'll be home to be a

1124
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: show in afternoon drive radio show. There's no way you

1125
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: can do both. So you you got to kind of

1126
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: make up your mind. With a pharmaceutical sales job. This

1127
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: is like oay, you know, it's like much more stability.

1128
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: And so everybody that I talked to at that time

1129
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: to get advice, they look to me like, are you

1130
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: out of your mind? Like that or that? Basically everybody

1131
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: telling me to take the pharmaceutical job, like, you know,

1132
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: you what an opportunity, how lucky for you to play

1133
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: at Ohio State open up these kind of doors for you.

1134
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: You're nuts not to take advantage of that. And in

1135
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: the back of my mind, I just kept looking at

1136
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: that radio show, having no idea what it potentially could

1137
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: lead to. I didn't even think about that. I was

1138
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: just thinking, how cool would it be to talk in

1139
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: the radio for a job, because I've been listening to

1140
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: these guys and we went against a lot of people

1141
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: and what they were recommending. And after all those interviewers,

1142
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: I turned down all those those business opportunities and I

1143
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: took this this local radio, making twelve thousan dollars. Now,

1144
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: I was coming off living off of a scholarship check,

1145
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: so twelve thousand dollars was actually a raise from what

1146
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: I was living off of it. You know, there was

1147
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: no cost of living, no pel grant. Like, I didn't

1148
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: have a lot of money as a student. So now

1149
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, I made and I had roommates, so we

1150
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: shared rent, we shared own alternationing, electric power and all

1151
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: that stuff. So I I was like, you know, I

1152
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: was making a little bit of money, but I was

1153
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: loving what I was doing. And that started. He actually

1154
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: started that the summer of nineties three was my first

1155
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: actual welcome to the show was so think about how

1156
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: how many years ago was that? Now that was a

1157
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: long time ago. I ended up doing radio for fifteen years.

1158
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: So so yeah, twelve thousand dollars. What time of day

1159
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: were you on? I was on from five thirty to seven.

1160
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: It was the initial job that you had. And the

1161
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: first time you sit down in front of a radio

1162
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: mike and start talking at five thirty, that's the first

1163
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: time you would have done an hour and a half

1164
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: of radio or what kind of experience did you have

1165
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: in radio? Zero zero experience. I was working with, like

1166
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: I said, with the play by play man, who, by

1167
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: the way, now is the play by play man or

1168
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Angels. He does the Games Angels and

1169
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: has for all that fifteen years. Um. But yeah, I

1170
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: just sat there and he and I just kind of

1171
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: like you and are doing right now. I just kinda

1172
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: hung out and talked, and eventually people started to realize

1173
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: it was and elevator music on that station. People were

1174
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: talking sports, and we didn't do a lot of they

1175
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: were were not a whole lot of marketing going on

1176
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: back then, so it was just word of mouth. Eventually

1177
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: people figured it out and we start to take calls,

1178
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: and you know, it was an hour and a half

1179
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: and it was a blink of an eye. But he

1180
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: would take it. He would take it out a break,

1181
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: he would go in to break, he would throw out

1182
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: the traffic, he would you know, all those kind of things.

1183
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: All I had to do was hit my button on

1184
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of be his sidekick. That that

1185
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: was my gig, Like I didn't have to worry about anything.

1186
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: And then the show started to become successful, and then

1187
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: it went from five thirty seven. They went from four

1188
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: to seven you know, after about I don't know, eight months,

1189
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: not eight or nine months. So now we're on for

1190
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: three hours, and then they bumped me up by a

1191
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: little bit of you know, a little bit more money. Um.

1192
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: But again, man, I was just doing something I loved.

1193
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: And that's when I learned a very valuable lesson, and

1194
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,959
Speaker 1: I tried to speak my my son's about this is fine.

1195
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: Something you're passionate about and try to go out and

1196
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: make a living doing it. And you know, I don't care.

1197
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: What it is saying is if you can find a

1198
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: job that involves your passion, then you get to go.

1199
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: You get to be probably the only maybe five percent

1200
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: of Americans to go to bed on Sunday night and

1201
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: actually look forward to the next week. They look forward

1202
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: to going to work on Monday. There are a whole

1203
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: lot of people to do that. And if you find

1204
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: something you love, you're not worried about how much money

1205
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: am I making, but you're worried about just doing something

1206
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: you love. Eventually you're gonna get better, and you're gonna

1207
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: get better, You're gonna hopefully get more opportunities, and eventually

1208
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: that money will come. But if you're chasing money, I

1209
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: guess it's doable, but you're not going to be very

1210
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: happy doing it. And I've learned that just by accident

1211
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: really more than anything, just by another fork in the

1212
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: road there whether I would have gone pharmaceutical sales or

1213
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: talk radio, and I decided to do something I thought

1214
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 1: sound of fun and something I wanted to do, which

1215
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: which was talk radio. Fox Sports Radio has the best

1216
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our

1217
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com and within the

1218
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app search f s R to listen live.

1219
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: So when we're talking to Kirk herb Street, I'm Clay Travis.

1220
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: This is the Winds and Losses podcast. At what point

1221
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: does radio lead to an opportunity in television? Well? This,

1222
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: this is this is the craziest story of all. So

1223
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: Jay Crawford, who used to be at ESPN and he's

1224
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: a kind of a local keyp guy now in Cleveland.

1225
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: He and I started a show, one of those George

1226
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: Michael Sports Machine Sunday night shows. Now everybody seems to

1227
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: have them on, even here in Nashville, and there's three

1228
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: of them on on a Sunday night local news. There's

1229
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: like a thirty minute all sports show. So he and

1230
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: their company decides those radio station and this TV station

1231
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: were owned by the same family. They decide to start

1232
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: a thirty minu it Sunday night sports show, and they

1233
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: want me to co host with him. So now you've

1234
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: never done any television at any point in my life

1235
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: other than being interviewed, right, never anything, And now I'm

1236
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: writing scripts and and watching him teach me how to

1237
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: write scripts for like Lead INDs. You know where you're

1238
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: on Cameron reading telepront reading teleprompter. You know, people at

1239
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: home don't realize reading teleprompter when you've never read teleprompter

1240
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: and not sounding like you're reading. Oh, it's an amazingly

1241
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: difficult skill to have. It is, especially when you're twenty

1242
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: three and you have zero TV experience. And I'll tell

1243
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: you to this day, one of the greatest things I

1244
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: ever did was taking that show. So, you know, being

1245
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: in Columbus, we would do Reds or Indians or Browns

1246
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: or Bengals. I mean, Ohio State. There's just a lot

1247
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: going on in that market to be able to talk about,

1248
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, a ton of golf, and so I'm doing

1249
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: Lead in you know, when it's a single shot on

1250
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: you and you're reading maybe three sentences into the highlight

1251
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. So I did that. I would

1252
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: do my radio show during the week. I was part

1253
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: of the Ohio State Radio broadcast. I was the sideline

1254
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: reporter from from down on the field. And then I

1255
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: would Sunday night, I would do the the Sunday Night

1256
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: show for thirty minutes and I would be reading teleprompter

1257
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: and doing my best with highlights and talking about a

1258
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: fish out of water for you know, probably for six

1259
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: months just trying to figure out what most people probably

1260
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: do in college. I was doing live on the air

1261
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: and create experience for me and allowed me to really grow.

1262
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: And every time I would be on the even thought

1263
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: about working at ESPN. I'd be on the sideline and

1264
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: there was a guy by the name of Jack or Root.

1265
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: Were you to be on the side, remember him. He

1266
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,959
Speaker 1: was with a lot of times he was with Keith

1267
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: uh and sometimes with Brent Musburger. But he would see

1268
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: me with his big, huge radio pack on and you know,

1269
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: saying weight about twenty five pounds, and he'd look at

1270
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: me with his his dark rounded sunglasses and he'd be like,

1271
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: what he's like, I see you all the time? He's like,

1272
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: why aren't you doing TV? I was like, I'm doing

1273
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: this is great, man. I'm by now I'm up. I'm

1274
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: up to like twenty eight or thirties thousand in my

1275
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: mind because I'm doing that TV stuff and I'm loving life.

1276
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm hanging out with my buddies and

1277
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: not really traveling other than one Ohio State footballs on

1278
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: the road. I like, I had a great gig, you know.

1279
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: And and he's like, you gotta put a tape together,

1280
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, And you got you gotta, you need to

1281
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: get on TV. Every time I'd see him, you would

1282
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: say that. So so the three season and ninety four season,

1283
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm doing this well the ninety By the time the nineties, that's,

1284
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: by the way, Eddie George, when he was like at

1285
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: the highest peak of his he went on to in

1286
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: the highs of he's just starting to really cop up.

1287
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: And so I come up with, I have no tape.

1288
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: What am I gonna send ESPN? I don't have any

1289
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: TV other than Sunday Night Show. So I come up

1290
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: with an idea. And no, I didn't have an agent,

1291
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: Nobody told me to do this. I come up with

1292
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: an idea that. I go to Ohio Stadium in February

1293
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,799
Speaker 1: stadium twenty degrees out, it's empty. I get a local

1294
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: TV guy, camera guy to come with me, and I

1295
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: do a fake sideline report. I think. I was like thanks, Keith,

1296
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: and I did like a you know, like a I

1297
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: don't know, I make something up, you know, for thirty

1298
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: or forty five seconds. I do two of those. I

1299
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: asked Eddie George, who's a huge name at the time

1300
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: in college football, and Joey Galloway, who was just about

1301
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: to be drafted, and their buddies of mine. I asked them, Hey,

1302
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: could you guys come over the newsroom and take something

1303
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 1: with me. I'm not gonna put it on air. I

1304
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 1: just want to put it on my tape. And they're like, sure,

1305
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: we have no problem. So I call I have them

1306
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: come over. We spent about ten minutes. I I fake

1307
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,560
Speaker 1: like I called the show buck t Corner, your host perfect.

1308
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: I interviewed these guys, ask him about whatever for about

1309
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: ten minutes. So I put that on. I put the

1310
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: fake sideline reports from the empty Ohio stadium on. I

1311
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 1: would love to see that tape today, and I sent

1312
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: that to ABC Sports and I've seen it to ESPN,

1313
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: and that's how angually ESPN responded back to me, and uh,

1314
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: that's how eventually I ended up getting hired there. So

1315
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: what did they hire you to do the first? Like,

1316
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: did they ever ask you about that? That would be

1317
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: an amazing video To find it has to be somewhere, right, Yeah,

1318
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know where it would be. But

1319
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: I I didn't hear anything. Again, this is this is

1320
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: pre internet, pretty email, pretty everything. I didn't hear. I

1321
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: I sent that, like, but you said that like a

1322
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: VHS tape and like a Manila envelope to somebody's addressed

1323
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: that you had Jack dud. I literally don't even know

1324
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: if anybody saw that. I didn't get a thank you note.

1325
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: I didn't get a hey, we'll be in touch. I

1326
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 1: didn't get anything. So I just assumes somebody looked at it,

1327
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: throw it in the trash, moved on with their day,

1328
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: like I had no idea. And like two or three

1329
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: months later, ESPN calls and says, we would love to

1330
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: fly you in for an interview and audition and and

1331
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: we're going to send you some some stuff on the

1332
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: Georgia Alabama game from the previous football season from the season.

1333
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: So they send me all this literature and information on

1334
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: the game that was already played, and they want me

1335
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 1: to kind of show up ready to go to be

1336
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: able to we're gonna do some studio work with you,

1337
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do some play by play color work

1338
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 1: with you. I've never done play by playing color in

1339
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: my life. So I am up until I'm not exaggerating,

1340
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm up till three or four in the morning putting

1341
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: together aboard because the when I did Ohio State Radio

1342
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: and the play by play guy had this board that

1343
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: he would do. So ever reason I knew anybody did

1344
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: a board was he did it. So I'm up with

1345
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: all this literature they sent me, and I you know,

1346
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: I'm going over Andre Hastings and Eric Sire and all

1347
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: these different guys, and I'm like looking through their media

1348
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: guy to see any his cousin played, And you know,

1349
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it took me forever, and I'm going through

1350
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: every player, every starter, and I made this board. I've

1351
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: never worked as hard to this day on a board

1352
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,879
Speaker 1: as I did that board. Um to go into that audition,

1353
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: So I fly the next day after doing all this

1354
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: work on this board, we sit down and speak for

1355
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: a little bit, maybe for an hour, and they just

1356
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: trying to get to know me a little bit. And

1357
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: then they say, okay, let's go downstairs. And they brought

1358
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: Jack Edwards, who used to be a sports bank on

1359
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: How do you remember him? He came in. I didn't.

1360
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't really know anything about him or

1361
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: know who he was. I'd seen him on Sports Center.

1362
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: But we do like a segment. Um, they give me

1363
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: an idea of what we might talk about, they show me,

1364
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: give me a little bit of time to kind of

1365
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: go over it, and so we do like a little

1366
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: segment on TV. And they just watched me talk um,

1367
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, see if I can speak and look at

1368
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: the camera. And we do that for fifteen or twenty minutes,

1369
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: and they say, okay, I remember we asked you to

1370
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: look at the George Alabama game. We want you to

1371
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: give any notes or anything. So I'm like so excited.

1372
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: It's down into my bag, pulled his board out. I mean,

1373
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: I've got hey. Jack Edwards looks at that and he's like, wow,

1374
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: it's like you put a little time, just like you

1375
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: put a little time into that, Like yeah, of course, yeah,

1376
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 1: I put it down and right on the sports center

1377
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: uh desk, and they put a game on in the

1378
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: monitor that's inside the desk, and Jack's acting like to

1379
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 1: play by play guy, and I'm being the color guy.

1380
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: And we probably all that work talking six hours easy

1381
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: on that you probably did three plays. And then they're like, okay,

1382
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: all right, thanks guys. Oh man, that's it. I said,

1383
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: we're gonna do the whole game, did like three t

1384
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: three plays, and then that was it. Put me in

1385
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: a car some met the airport said thanks. And that

1386
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: was in April March or April of April, May, June, July,

1387
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: early August. I'm on a fishing trip in the Upper

1388
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: Peninsula with my dad and my uncle and my grandpa,

1389
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: and my roommate called and said, some guy named Mo

1390
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: Davenport from ESPN called you. He needs you to call

1391
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: him as soon as possible. Season starts in like four weeks.

1392
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: I honestly, again, i'd forgotten about it. I thought I

1393
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 1: just failed. They called me and offered me a thirteen

1394
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: week sideline reporting on a new station called ESPN two.

1395
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: I was going to be in eideline reporter. They're gonna

1396
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: pay me seven fifty dollars per game and right away

1397
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: I get my calculator out of my Yeah, weeks adding

1398
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: all that up to see kind of where we are,

1399
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: and sure enough it ended up I ended up taking

1400
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: that and kind of the rest is uh, the rest

1401
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: is history. But that all was working with Dwayne Stats

1402
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: and Todd Christiansen most weeks being the sideline reporter and

1403
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: that was crazy. Dude, How I'm nervous? Yeah, how nervous

1404
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: were you for that trip to ESPN? Because I think

1405
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people listening right now who want

1406
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: that opportunity, right, they want to get a chance whatever

1407
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: field you're in. And like you talked about all the

1408
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 1: hours you prepared for like you were way over prepared

1409
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: for what you did, right, and you don't get any feedback,

1410
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,919
Speaker 1: but when you were walking into that room for that interview,

1411
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot of people who can

1412
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,640
Speaker 1: experience that and have at some point in their careers,

1413
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 1: Like what did that feel like for you? Completely go

1414
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: back to what we talked about earlier about how shy

1415
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: I am as a person. Um I was. I was

1416
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 1: out of my comfort zone, but at the same time

1417
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: could not believe ESPN um had called me. So I

1418
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to see this through. I'm going

1419
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:30,759
Speaker 1: to overcome I'm going to get comfortable with being uncomfortable, basically,

1420
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: is what I decided to do. And um walked in

1421
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: there and and ESPN. If you've never been there, it's

1422
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: it's it's like a kind of an even back then,

1423
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: it's like a big campus, you know, like I always

1424
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 1: envisioned it being in New York City and with a

1425
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: huge buildings and you know that kind of thing. That

1426
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 1: was my perception of ESPN before I went there. And

1427
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: then I went there and it was it was like

1428
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 1: in a suburb, you know, and it just happened to

1429
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,799
Speaker 1: be uh year years ago it was just a local

1430
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: New England sports network. It was you know, not not

1431
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 1: ever envisioned and growing and what it became. And so

1432
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: the founding fathers they weren't really worried about growth. And

1433
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: so by the time I came along in the mid nineties,

1434
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: they've been around for I don't know, you tell me

1435
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: twenty years, maybe fifteen seventeen years maybe by then, and

1436
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: so you could see that their growth was going out,

1437
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: you know, sideways, not up, and they were buying up

1438
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: McDonald's maybe across the street or they were buying this,

1439
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: or they're buying that because they were outgrowing um. And

1440
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: so when you walk in there and you're you're going

1441
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: in for an audition or an interview, man, it's it's daunting.

1442
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: It's it's a pretty intimidating experience, at least for me,

1443
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: especially for the lack of experience that I had at

1444
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: that point in my career. And they couldn't they couldn't

1445
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: have been any more gracious, but it's still pretty pretty

1446
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: scary thing to go through. You do the sidelines, uh

1447
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: in I guess the fall of for ESPN two, how

1448
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: long do you do sidelines? So I I did that

1449
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 1: the entire year, and when we got to November, I

1450
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: kept reaching back to Moe Davenport, who was kind of

1451
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: the boss back then, and I kept saying, Hey, you know,

1452
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: if there's ever a game where somebody calls in sick,

1453
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: or there's ever a game where you have more games

1454
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: and you have announcers and you need somebody, um, I

1455
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: would love to do some color. It's I can ever

1456
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 1: do that for you love to have a chance to

1457
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: took all game? And He's like, I hear, yeah, I hear,

1458
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,799
Speaker 1: you just be paid just be patient. Just be patient

1459
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Oh. Um, the whole season went through.

1460
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: We get near the end of the season and he

1461
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: calls me and he says, I think I've got an

1462
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: opportunity for you. Um it's Minnesota. This by the way,

1463
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: this isn't like Main versus New Hampshire, Right, I mean again,

1464
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: you can go back to my age and where I

1465
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: was at this point in my career, I was doing

1466
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: sideline reporting and most of the the games. My first game

1467
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: was Hawaii in Texas with Ricky Williams as a true

1468
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: freshman at Hawaii. Um, we're doing so. I mean, you

1469
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 1: got paid fifty dollars, but your airfare costs more than

1470
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: that at least, right, I mean to get out to Hawaii, Well,

1471
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: luckily ESPN covered for Yeah. Yeah, That's what I'm saying.

1472
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 1: But like, I mean, that's that's pretty that's a pretty

1473
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: awesome game to get to go to. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

1474
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: And I'm in Hawaii and so I'm seeing the country.

1475
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm seeing the world outside of the Big Ten. And

1476
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: I was in the Mountain West, a bunch with like

1477
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 1: teams like Sunny Lubick in Colorado State and and b

1478
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 1: y U and then we went into the Big Ten

1479
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: and and so we bounced around. I had a really

1480
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: good experience with it. But like I said, halfway through

1481
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: where I reached out if there's any games. So he

1482
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: calls me and says, I got a game for you. Minnesota, Wisconsin.

1483
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: That's what they crafted all Bunyan acts, you know, and

1484
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: it's always a sold out game, and it's gonna be

1485
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: at the Metrodome. It's gonna be a Minneapolis You're gonna

1486
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: be calling the game. And I'm like, oh, that's awesome,

1487
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 1: you know. And obviously I knew Wisconsin and Minnesota from

1488
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: being in the Big Ten, but I didn't really respect

1489
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: or understand that rivalry until that week. Um Man, the

1490
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: play by play guy's name is escaped in me. He

1491
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: did hockey for a long time, he did baseball. I'll

1492
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: think of it. Um just a quality broadcaster, really good guy,

1493
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: but a but a guy that had been around and

1494
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: and and done a lot of different games. At this

1495
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: point in his career, was really known as a hockey guy,

1496
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: MLB guy. Um So, but he did some college football

1497
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: that year, and so I'm teamed up with him and

1498
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: he's he's like, have you ever done this? And I

1499
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 1: said no, and he's like, oh you're Evila. He was

1500
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: just great. He's like, you're gonna have a lot of fun.

1501
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna do a great job. And we worked together

1502
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: for that week and I called that game and it

1503
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: was actually a great game, and Wisconsin ended up winning

1504
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: the game and ran across the field and you know,

1505
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: grabbed the acts and it's like, you know, they're cutting

1506
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 1: down the goal post or you know, faking like they're

1507
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: cutting down the goal post. But it was just a

1508
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 1: really cool experience. And this sounds crazy, but of all

1509
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 1: the things I've ever done, nothing has felt more natural

1510
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: to me than that been. Like calling a game, like

1511
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: doing the audition did not feel natural to me, um

1512
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: doing you know, all these things that I've ever done,

1513
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: even locally doing radio and doing that Sunday night show

1514
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: that I did, reading prompter didn't feel naturally to me.

1515
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: Calling the Wisconsin Minnesota game felt as natural to me

1516
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: as anything I've ever done. And so that's when I

1517
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: was like, this, this is where I've got to get.

1518
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,759
Speaker 1: This is what I want to do. When I called

1519
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,759
Speaker 1: that game, and that was the end of the ninety

1520
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: five season, and then as the season ended, a month

1521
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: or two later, they called me back and said, hey, listen,

1522
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: we got another opportunity for you, and we're going to

1523
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: have you do the entire arena football season for this

1524
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: spring and and work with Todd Christiansen, who's going to

1525
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: do the play by play, and you're going to be

1526
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: the color gap man, and you guys gonna call fifteen

1527
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: weeks throughout the spring and into the summer, and it's

1528
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: gonna be on ESPN. And I was like, in, I'm in.

1529
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: I want the reps that I want to do that.

1530
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: I don't know a thing about arena football, but I'm

1531
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: in and I had So that was what I did

1532
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: in the spring of nine and did. The color guy

1533
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: by the name of Kurt Warner was the star of

1534
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: the league that year. He was the m VT before

1535
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: he went to the Rams, and he played for a

1536
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: team called the Iowa Barnstormers. So we'd be in like

1537
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: Cedar Rapids, calling games, you know, just all over the place.

1538
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: And I actually had a really cool time time calling

1539
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 1: the games and getting those those valuable reps doing color work.

1540
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: And then halfway through that season, I get a call

1541
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: that says Craig James has left game day he's going

1542
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 1: to CBS. To CBS got to the NFL from Fox,

1543
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: so he's going to be part of their new studio show.

1544
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: We have an opening on college game Day. They literally

1545
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: told me, you're not going to get the job, but

1546
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 1: at this stage of your career, be really good for

1547
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: you to just go through the experience. We're gonna fly

1548
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: Corso and fouler in. Be good for you to just

1549
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 1: go through that experience and just kind of see what

1550
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: it's like. So I said, okay, great, flew in in

1551
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 1: the middle of the week because those those arena games

1552
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: around the weekend, flew in sat down. There's lead Corso

1553
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: sitting right next to me. I'm like, oh my gosh,

1554
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 1: like and he could He's just like he is not hey, hey,

1555
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: how you doing, just talking to and uh, how you're

1556
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 1: gonna kill him? A great jock. You're gonna have fun.

1557
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: Here we go, get ready and then music starts that

1558
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: that that that and Fowlers, you know, welcomes us and

1559
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: we do it. We do a segment. We do like

1560
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: a dummy segment, and I think there were maybe five

1561
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: or six guys that came in. I have no idea

1562
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 1: who the other guys were. I think Mike Adamlee might

1563
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: have been one of the other guys, but I'm not

1564
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 1: sure who the other guys were. And we got done,

1565
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: and a couple of weeks, maybe two or three weeks

1566
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 1: go by, I go back to an arena football games

1567
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: and my agent called me and said, um, he's like,

1568
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe this, but they're going to hire

1569
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: you to do a college game day. I was like,

1570
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: I was in the Detroit airport actually on my way

1571
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: up to Iowa on a connection and stopped at a

1572
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: pay phone. How about that, Yeah, that's amazing. Yes, And

1573
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 1: called him on my sprint card, Um the eight and

1574
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: then you wait for the ding and then you dial

1575
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: the number. And called him and he told me, yeah,

1576
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: going to do the you canna do? You've assigning to

1577
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 1: a three year deal. And that was That was the

1578
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:13,600
Speaker 1: summer of nineties six and that's that was it. I

1579
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: was doing it ever since. So you're how old in

1580
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: this at twenty six years old? Now, game day to

1581
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: be fair for people who were listening to us right

1582
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:29,839
Speaker 1: now in nine is a shadow of what it would become.

1583
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 1: Right I I did did go on. I mean it

1584
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: was it was just kind of starting to become the

1585
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: iconic show that it would become. But I mean at

1586
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: the age of twenty six, like you just said, your

1587
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: sons are, you know, nineteen years old now at Clemson,

1588
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,799
Speaker 1: like your four years or three years out of college.

1589
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean, that had to be kind of unbelievable. But

1590
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: also you probably didn't even realize how big it was

1591
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: going to be, or did you at that point in time.

1592
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: Man again, at six, you're thinking of tomorrow. You're not

1593
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: thinking about the show. I just knew that I was

1594
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: on machine, always watched and even at that time, while

1595
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: it didn't have the audience, um that we have now

1596
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: when we show up around the set, I think most

1597
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: people who liked college football tuned into being that show. Yeah,

1598
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah. I mean there was that show,

1599
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: and there was a show on CNN with Chuck Uh there.

1600
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: You had a few options if you're a college football fan.

1601
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: But that that show was kind of unique because the

1602
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: correct James and Corso and it was just starting to

1603
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 1: travel on the road. Um that kind of gave it

1604
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: a you know, kind of a unique feel to it.

1605
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 1: But man, I again, you're just flying by the senior

1606
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: You could see in my career how things just kind

1607
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 1: of went like all of a sudden just cruise and

1608
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,719
Speaker 1: then bing bing bing bing bing, like it just everything

1609
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: just kind of happened at once, and um so I

1610
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: wasn't really thinking where this might go or how long

1611
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 1: am I going to do this, or I was just

1612
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: thinking honestly going back to you know, going through being

1613
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: honest with yourself. My biggest thing was I'm not going

1614
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 1: to hide the fact that I'm an anomaly in this

1615
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:32,759
Speaker 1: business on a national level level. I'm not a Heisman

1616
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 1: Trophy winner, i was not a household name on a

1617
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: national level. People in the Big ten region probably have

1618
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 1: heard of me. People in the SEC A, SEC Big twelve,

1619
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 1: PAC twelve have literally no idea who I am. So

1620
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: instead of being embarrassed about that or hiding from that,

1621
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: I decided to go back to what I did with

1622
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:01,919
Speaker 1: that board, which was I'm going to be the hardest

1623
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: working analysts. So they may not know who I am,

1624
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,919
Speaker 1: but they're going to realize, man, that guy seems pretty prepared.

1625
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,600
Speaker 1: That guy seems that nobody's talking about Like that was

1626
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: my goal from the beginning, was to try to be

1627
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: that guy that people would just because I knew I

1628
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 1: as a viewer myself. I respected guys like that, so

1629
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: I thought, I don't really know, I'm not talented enough

1630
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 1: to be a stick guy. I don't really don't even

1631
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 1: know what that means. So I'm going to be myself

1632
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be uh, the most prepared guy

1633
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: on the set. Like those are my goals, and that's

1634
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: what I've decided to do. And I think over the

1635
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: course of a couple of years, and you know, I

1636
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: started to find that people were willing to accept what

1637
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 1: I had to say because of the way I was

1638
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 1: working at it. And I think that that kind of

1639
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 1: allowed me to create a brand and for myself that

1640
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: if even to this day, here we are twenty five

1641
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 1: years later. You know, people don't know me like they

1642
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,560
Speaker 1: know Desmond. They know Desmond from winning a Heisman and

1643
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: doing a Heisman pose. You know, they know David Pollock

1644
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 1: for being whatever he was, three time All American or whatever.

1645
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: You know, like the most guys on TV, they they

1646
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 1: are known, uh first and foremost for for the kind

1647
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 1: of player they were. And for me, I think I

1648
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: am known more for for better or worse, for the

1649
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: analysts that I am on TV. And it's taken five

1650
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 1: years to to build that up, and like I said,

1651
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 1: I think it all goes back to me. Instead of

1652
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: being bashful or ashamed of people not knowing who I am,

1653
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: I decided to kind of hit that head on as

1654
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 1: opposed to running from it and trying to avoid it.

1655
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: What was the first game you did with game Day?

1656
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 1: First game Day? We did it on the road in

1657
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: ninety six was Michigan at Colorado at fulsome field in Boulder, Colorado.

1658
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: You and I were talking from it. Came on the

1659
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: air about how beautiful this time of the year it

1660
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: is to go out to the Rockies. He got a

1661
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: chance to do that, and you think about a game

1662
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 1: in September out in Boulder. Um, they're really at the

1663
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: foothills there, the Rockies. I I just was like, wow,

1664
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:29,679
Speaker 1: this is incredible. How nervous. How nervous were you before

1665
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: that first show? Um? I was nervous, but I wasn't

1666
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: terrified like I wasn't Um I was. I was in

1667
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 1: an okay place because the guys that I worked with.

1668
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: I think the thing that brought me, um some hesitation

1669
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: or some nerves was how would Fowler be towards me?

1670
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,640
Speaker 1: You know, he was such an established leader of that

1671
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: show of corso was just so as soon as you

1672
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: meet him, he's just like if you and I were

1673
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,759
Speaker 1: together right now, we can and had said, hey, coaches,

1674
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 1: is Clay you don't like? He just has that personality.

1675
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 1: He just makes you feel welcome. It's just him. Chris

1676
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 1: is the guy you gotta He makes you feel welcome,

1677
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: but you gotta kind of earn your stripes with him.

1678
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 1: And so if I had any trepidation at all, it

1679
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 1: was this Chris respect me, you know, does he think

1680
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm okay to be on the show? Like? And I

1681
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure he felt comfortable with me. I

1682
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 1: didn't really have fear of being on air or nerves

1683
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 1: of being on air. I just was I just wanted

1684
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 1: them to know they could count on me as being

1685
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 1: a good teammate and holding up my end of of

1686
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: the job or my responsibility you know, on the set.

1687
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 1: And you know, and I think Chris and I over

1688
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: the years of really built a pretty strong bond, you know,

1689
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: in that regard. But yeah, early years, especially that first year,

1690
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: that was my main thing was I don't know if

1691
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: you know Chris or watch him or been around it,

1692
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: but he is true professional you know, and he's he's

1693
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 1: his own worst critic for himself and for the show,

1694
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 1: and is not afraid to talk about that in meetings,

1695
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's what makes him great, you

1696
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 1: know what he does. And so more so than the

1697
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 1: producers and the bosses, Chris was the guy that I

1698
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: was always trying to make sure kind of get his blessing,

1699
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: I guess more than anything. So when you are doing

1700
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: Game Day and you've been doing it for twenty five

1701
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: years now, I guess or whatever the math is on that,

1702
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: which is wild to think about. And there are a

1703
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: lot of people listening to us right now who are like,

1704
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: I can't believe, you know, like ninety six doesn't seem

1705
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: very long ago to me. You know, I can think

1706
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 1: about the players and the games that happened back then,

1707
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 1: but you think about how many games there have been

1708
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: over the years, and how much you have done. How

1709
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 1: did you so. One of the things that I talked

1710
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 1: about with with younger people is writing, radio and TV

1711
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: are all different disciplines and what works really well and

1712
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: one of them might not work in the next might

1713
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 1: not work in the other. You have to learn how

1714
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 1: to be good at all of them. You said you

1715
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: did local radio, you were good at it, It's totally

1716
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: different dynamic. How did you get good at television? Like?

1717
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 1: Who did you learn from? What did you do to

1718
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: become comfortable? Would you go back and watch old game days?

1719
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: Would you go back and watch games that you called?

1720
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: How did you sort of refine and get better at

1721
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: your craft? Um? I think the big thing that I

1722
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: did was I had my my eyes open and my

1723
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:39,799
Speaker 1: ears open, and I was paying attention to other people,

1724
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: most notably Leek Horso, who they was the only other

1725
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 1: analyst on the set at the time. And what I

1726
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 1: quickly learned was I was going to be myself. When

1727
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: I first started on the job, a few producers pulled

1728
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,600
Speaker 1: me aside and said, you're going about this wrong. You

1729
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:58,679
Speaker 1: need to argue more with Corso. You're being too nice

1730
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 1: to him. That's not going to work. And because they

1731
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 1: were used to correct, James and Corso kind of going

1732
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 1: really going at it. That became their stick was those

1733
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:13,680
Speaker 1: two arguing with each other. And Craig had a big personality,

1734
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:17,799
Speaker 1: think kind of just kind of southern guy from Texas

1735
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: and just like, man, oh man, you're crazy, you know,

1736
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 1: just just and I here, I am grew up with

1737
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: my dad as a coach, all those other coaches that

1738
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,799
Speaker 1: I was more I would. I always treated coaches with respect.

1739
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: I could never go like, of course, so you're crazy,

1740
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: Like I just couldn't do that. And so, especially how

1741
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 1: nice he was being to me off air, I could

1742
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: not stick it up. I had to be myself, and

1743
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: so the show changed drastically when I came on because

1744
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: I was not I'd argue with them, but it was

1745
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: in a kind of respectful tone. And so what I

1746
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: did I answer your question was I realized I could

1747
01:33:55,120 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 1: never be Lee Corso. But I realized was I thought

1748
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: they hired me to be a football analysts covered to

1749
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: three technique, inverted safety, four verticals. And what I learned

1750
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 1: was Lee Corso always says in our meetings, we're in

1751
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: the entertainment business. We are. And what I realized was

1752
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: if you watch game there, you watch Shack and Charles, Like,

1753
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: the reason those two shows work is because they're not

1754
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: beating you over the head with let me show you

1755
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: how much football I know. Like, don't get me wrong,

1756
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: we'll talk some football and we'll break some film down,

1757
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 1: but we're more kind of laughing self deprecating, teasing each other.

1758
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: Rinaldi's gonna make you cry. We're gonna come back and

1759
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna kind of cry or laugh some more at

1760
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 1: each other. We're gonna get you some real XCEL football talk.

1761
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a mixed bag. And what I

1762
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 1: guess I learned how I personally fit into that was

1763
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm not here to just beat people over the head

1764
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: with XO talk. See when I first got into it,

1765
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: I thought I was here for exo talk, And when

1766
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:10,679
Speaker 1: I quickly learned was there's way more more to studio

1767
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 1: television than just exo talk. And I think being aware

1768
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 1: of her and just then being an observer and being

1769
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 1: a listener and being willing to change and being willing

1770
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 1: to tweak and being willing to kind of stay kind

1771
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 1: of just me, not trying to be somebody else. I'm

1772
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 1: just gonna be me. Um. I think you just kind

1773
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 1: of grow and develop and kind of put your foot

1774
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:36,719
Speaker 1: in the water over here a little bit, you see

1775
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 1: if that kind of feels all right, and maybe go

1776
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 1: over here a little bit, and you just try to.

1777
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: Most importantly, you just try, and you you do studio work.

1778
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you understand when you can when you can

1779
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 1: be yourself. I think when things typically work the best.

1780
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: Like I hate when our producers right or try to

1781
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 1: script something that's going to be funny, because it's never funny. Like,

1782
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,480
Speaker 1: the things that end up being most memorable and funny

1783
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 1: are the things that are impromptu, are things that are unpredictable.

1784
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 1: Like if you went to dinner, we wouldn't script out

1785
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 1: our dinner conversation. Like we could just go to dinner

1786
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:16,559
Speaker 1: and we hang out and you'd probably end up saying

1787
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:18,600
Speaker 1: something that kind of had us all laughing or we

1788
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 1: kind of respond to it someone else to be laughing,

1789
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 1: And it's just very natural spontaneous conversation to me. If

1790
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 1: you can do that, then I think you can have

1791
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,799
Speaker 1: really good TV. It just happens that we're talking college

1792
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: football and coaches and opinions and and things of that nature.

1793
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 1: And um, I just think that there has to be

1794
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 1: a willingness to listen and grow and not kind of

1795
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: put yourself into a box. And That's what I've done

1796
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: and I still do. I still feel like I'm changing

1797
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 1: and growing and adapting, um along the way. How how

1798
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 1: have you avoid that? At six? You're basically a contemporary

1799
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:01,680
Speaker 1: of the players at your age. Now you're a contemporary

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01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: of the coaches. How has your worldview changed as you've

1801
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 1: gone from you've got four kids, You've got kids who

1802
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: are going to be freshmen in college. Now I can

1803
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: see this on my own life with you know, you

1804
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,759
Speaker 1: start to see things through the parents eyes as opposed

1805
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 1: to the kid's eyes. You certainly have had to follow

1806
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 1: that trajectory in a public way on game day. Have

1807
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 1: you felt it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Um, we

1808
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: used to kind of kid Courso because he was the

1809
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 1: guy that saw things through coaches eyes and that generation,

1810
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 1: and we were the younger guys, and we've kind of

1811
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,880
Speaker 1: kind of kind of elbow him and giggle at him.

1812
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:40,759
Speaker 1: And I think what I have found is having kids

1813
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: Number one helps you know, to keep you kind of

1814
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,600
Speaker 1: plugged into to the world and and that kind of

1815
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 1: that next generation. I think that's number one for me.

1816
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 1: Number two is I think that, um, you don't always

1817
01:37:56,000 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 1: have to agree with what you're seeing. Um, like we

1818
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 1: were talking about the transfer portal. I'm not trying to

1819
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: sound like a guy from a different generation like these

1820
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 1: kids today are crazy. I'm just trying to tell you

1821
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: what what that experience did for me by staying. And

1822
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: I think people who jump to the transfer portal have

1823
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 1: to you know, as I said, it's an individual case

1824
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 1: by case study, but I do think that, um, I

1825
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: have some experience there, and I I refuse to be

1826
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 1: like trawl Line and the Sam guy like this is

1827
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 1: the way it is, it's the way it should be,

1828
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 1: this way it always be like I'm just not that guy. UM.

1829
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:39,520
Speaker 1: I try to really stay plugged in, you know, strategically,

1830
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 1: but also I think as you're saying, just the you know,

1831
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 1: the way the world has changed. I stay plugged in

1832
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 1: with Lincoln Riley. You know. I used to talk with

1833
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll all the time, and I love to have

1834
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 1: heart to hearts with these coaches when there's no camera on,

1835
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,839
Speaker 1: there's no mike, it's just me and them just talking,

1836
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 1: and I like to find out like this is going on.

1837
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 1: Since the mid nineties, I've done this, so I do

1838
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: it every year. Just talk to them about life, just

1839
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 1: talk to them about their challenges with they're facing in

1840
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,599
Speaker 1: their locker room. And I try to be the guy

1841
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 1: that's plugged into ten, not the guy that was plugged

1842
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: in the that's trying to figure out, so what's is

1843
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 1: it's still going on in ten you know, I think

1844
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 1: people that that do what we do, whether it's coaches

1845
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: or broadcasters or whoever it is, it's around for you know,

1846
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: a you know, a couple of decades or longer, you're

1847
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 1: you're making a big mistake if you think. And you

1848
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 1: can listen to broadcaster as it tell guys that they

1849
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 1: talked about when they played and you know they played

1850
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:44,600
Speaker 1: like twenty five years ago, like what is you what

1851
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 1: is your experience as you're you're playing days? What does

1852
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 1: that have to do with this third and six? For

1853
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? Like nothing? You know. So so I try

1854
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: to be a guy that talks about today as much

1855
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 1: as I can, not only through my own life experiences,

1856
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:06,799
Speaker 1: but through a lot of work with the players from today,

1857
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 1: talking to them about, you know what, what their challenges

1858
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 1: are that they face, and then also, like I said,

1859
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 1: the coaches. And I think I've just found by doing that,

1860
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 1: being inquisitive, having open dialogue with guys about not just

1861
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 1: football but about life, I've just found that helps me

1862
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 1: kind of stay plugged into um just being relevant, you know,

1863
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 1: to to today, whether it was or or or if

1864
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 1: we're talking, like I just feel like that's part of

1865
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 1: my responsibility is to continue to kind of grow and

1866
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 1: and change and band from one way or another with

1867
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 1: some of the social demands and challenges that everybody faces,

1868
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: whether it's players or coaches. Fox Sports Radio has the

1869
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of

1870
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 1: our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com and within

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01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,560
Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio apps. Search f s R to

1872
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 1: listen live. Talking to Kirk urb Straight, I'm Clay Travis.

1873
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,759
Speaker 1: This is Wins and Losses Podcast. You are a voice

1874
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 1: for a massive audience when you call a game. You've

1875
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 1: got a big audience on game day, but the audience

1876
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:19,719
Speaker 1: for calling a college football national championship game or playoff

1877
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 1: game is seismically larger than that. We're in a world

1878
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 1: where audiences are diminishing almost everywhere but sports, right, Um,

1879
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: how do you talk to everyone? It's it's it's a

1880
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 1: broad question, but I'm curious how much you think about it,

1881
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 1: Because you're talking to the eighty year old grandma when

1882
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,679
Speaker 1: you call a game, and you're talking to the six

1883
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,639
Speaker 1: year old who maybe watching his first national title game,

1884
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 1: and they all are hearing your voice. It's very unique.

1885
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 1: You know, back in the day when we grew up,

1886
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,599
Speaker 1: everybody would watch, for instance, The Cosby Show, and every

1887
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 1: sitcom had to appeal to everybody. Right, you are still

1888
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:59,599
Speaker 1: in the business of appealing to everybody in an age

1889
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 1: when everybody wants their voice to be heard and every sentence,

1890
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, gets dissected. I'm curious how much that has

1891
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 1: changed as you've called games, and whether you even really

1892
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 1: think about it and how you go about talking to

1893
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 1: an audience that big man, great question. Um, you know

1894
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, right, because you remember like it

1895
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 1: used to be like you would sit down and everybody

1896
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:26,679
Speaker 1: would watch the same television show together, and Grandma would

1897
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 1: like the Cosby Show the same way that six year

1898
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 1: old would watch The Cosby Show, and they had all

1899
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 1: those kids to play the different role the grandparents are

1900
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:36,920
Speaker 1: on there. Nowadays everything is a niche, right, Like your

1901
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 1: boys are nineteen. They may love something that you've never

1902
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 1: heard of. In fact, they probably do, and you may

1903
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 1: love something that they've never heard of. Yet you're both

1904
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 1: gonna sit down and watch the college football National Championship Game. Yeah,

1905
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 1: I think about it a lot. Um. I I feel

1906
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 1: that ESPN has put me You talked earlier when you

1907
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 1: introduced me is kind of the face of the sport,

1908
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 1: voice of the sport. And I don't sit, you know,

1909
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:08,720
Speaker 1: walk around and like to announce that or like to

1910
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 1: think that or anything like that. But the reality is

1911
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 1: because of the role that ESPN has put me in.

1912
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they put me into the Saturday night window

1913
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and six, and I started calling

1914
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 1: games on on ABC and started to do their their

1915
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 1: biggest bowl games. Um, I've called more Rose Bowls as

1916
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 1: an analyst than anybody and called more of these championships

1917
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 1: than anybody. And so you know, I as much as

1918
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 1: I looked at and I'm never gonna ever compare myself

1919
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 1: to a guy like al Michaels or Keith Jackson. But

1920
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 1: for generation of fans, like they're going to hear my

1921
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 1: voice on a lot of these bigger games, and that's

1922
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 1: something that I'm proud of. That's something that I definitely

1923
01:43:56,640 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 1: think about. That's something that when fans come up to

1924
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 1: me and want to talk, uh, I'm keenly aware of

1925
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 1: giving them a good moment. Like I don't want to

1926
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 1: ever be a guy I probably to a fault when

1927
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:16,640
Speaker 1: it comes to college football fans and will stay disorderly

1928
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:20,400
Speaker 1: I want to give everybody I come in contact with

1929
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:25,639
Speaker 1: um a good memory, because I feel like I feel

1930
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 1: like that's part of my role, you know, as to

1931
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 1: be like the ambassador of college football. I try. I

1932
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:34,639
Speaker 1: try to be the voice of reason of it anyway,

1933
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 1: you know. And um I, when I call a game,

1934
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 1: I could very easily call the game so just coaches

1935
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:49,759
Speaker 1: and players could understand the game. But I intentionally called

1936
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 1: the game so that eight year old grandma you're talking about,

1937
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 1: or that six or seven or eight year old it's

1938
01:44:56,080 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 1: watching it. I try to paint a picture and try

1939
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 1: to describe the action. Because Mike Terrico, when I first

1940
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 1: started to do games with Mike on Thursday nights, I

1941
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:10,799
Speaker 1: never really called a game in my life. He said,

1942
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to do the job of telling what is happening.

1943
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: If you can just focus on this for me, tell

1944
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:23,800
Speaker 1: me how or tell me why it's happening. That's that's

1945
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 1: the only lane I want you to stay in. And

1946
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 1: that was back in I think it was the first

1947
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 1: year did he and I in Courso were calling games,

1948
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget him telling me that. To this day,

1949
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 1: I try to give you the how or the why

1950
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 1: when I'm calling the game, and I try to do

1951
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 1: it in a way that play you or your wife

1952
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:49,800
Speaker 1: or your kids or whoever can can understand it. And

1953
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of my role. That's my job, and

1954
01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: you don't want to dump it down. So it's like elementary.

1955
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 1: But you also, you know, I've got a chance to

1956
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 1: draw things. They try to help people the way I

1957
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,679
Speaker 1: describe something. You'll very rarely hear me say a football

1958
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 1: term without supporting it with what I mean by saying

1959
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 1: that football term. So yeah, I think about what you're

1960
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 1: asking all the time, and I think that it's you know,

1961
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 1: it's it's something that I definitely take very seriously. And

1962
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 1: and again I want to again point out it's not

1963
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:28,760
Speaker 1: as if I'm putting myself into that stratosphere of of

1964
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 1: college football announcers. I just feel that ESPN because of

1965
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 1: the role that they put me in, you know, game

1966
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 1: day for it's year on game day calling the games.

1967
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,640
Speaker 1: You know, before with Brent on that big window on

1968
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:45,040
Speaker 1: Saturday night and now with Fouler and that same window,

1969
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:48,760
Speaker 1: doing all these postseason games. You know, we do the

1970
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:51,640
Speaker 1: the bigger playoff, the playoff game, we do, uh, the

1971
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 1: national championship, and you do that year after year after

1972
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 1: year after year. You know, you're like you say, you're voicing.

1973
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 1: Your face becomes synonymous with with the bigger games, and

1974
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:04,439
Speaker 1: so I think it has as much to do with

1975
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:07,160
Speaker 1: the roles that ESPN has put me in as much

1976
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 1: as anything. It's definitely something that I've seen. UM proud

1977
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 1: to be in the position that I'm in, and it's

1978
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 1: something that I definitely think about and UH and take

1979
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 1: great sense applied of trying to be that person for

1980
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 1: for fans. Be sure to catch live editions of out

1981
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 1: Kicked the Coverage with Clay Travis week days at six

1982
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 1: am Eastern, three am Pacific. The last couple of questions

1983
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 1: for you here and again, I'm Clay Travis. This is

1984
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 1: Wins and Losses with Kirk herb Street. One of the

1985
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 1: challenges you talk about the good things at college football,

1986
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 1: it's the passion you moved from Columbus down to Nashville. UH.

1987
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:46,799
Speaker 1: One part of that is because in Columbus, obviously everything

1988
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 1: is Ohio State. You and your family have incredible connections

1989
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:53,479
Speaker 1: to Ohio State. You you fought it out, became a

1990
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 1: Buckeye starting quarterback. I mean, all the different aspects of

1991
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:01,519
Speaker 1: your career associated with Ohio State. Why did you feel

1992
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 1: the need to move to Nashville And how are you

1993
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 1: treated now? Because I'm curious. You're a twenty six year

1994
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:12,120
Speaker 1: old kid and people may know you vaguely, but obviously

1995
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:15,759
Speaker 1: as game day has exploded, your sort of public persona

1996
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: has exploded exploded to how much of a regular life

1997
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:25,479
Speaker 1: are you able to have? Uh? Yeah, it's it's when

1998
01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 1: you go back to the era when we moved. It

1999
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 1: was just when um, you know, I don't even know

2000
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 1: if Twitter just really started back then, but it was

2001
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:37,599
Speaker 1: just starting to become a little bit louder, you know

2002
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: that the feedback was becoming a little bit louder, and

2003
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 1: people's opinions and people could reach almost touch you with

2004
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:47,439
Speaker 1: with how they felt about you. It was a little

2005
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 1: bit more transparent, a little bit more in your face.

2006
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:54,639
Speaker 1: And I have nothing but great things to say about

2007
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:58,160
Speaker 1: Ohio State and their fans. You know, I think that

2008
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 1: like all fans, you know, Tennessee has them, Alabama l

2009
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 1: s u Any Rabbit Sand bas has and everybody. The

2010
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:09,919
Speaker 1: fans of of these schools are embarrassed of that radical

2011
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 1: three or four percent. There's just unreasonable and crazy. Yeah,

2012
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 1: and when when you have them and you're living with

2013
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:23,639
Speaker 1: a young family. You know, nineties seven percent of higher

2014
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:27,759
Speaker 1: state fans, I think her obviously great people and great

2015
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:32,320
Speaker 1: fans of passionate fans. Those three percentersn't have to kind

2016
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 1: of make you take a step back and and wonder.

2017
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:37,479
Speaker 1: I mean, you watched the news today and it didn't

2018
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 1: take a whole lot since fit people over the head.

2019
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 1: And so the fact that it was I was so

2020
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 1: visible right in the middle of of a suburb in Columbus,

2021
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 1: people pretty obviously would know when I'm home and when

2022
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 1: I'm away. Um, we thought, my wife and I both

2023
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 1: thought about possibility of even though we both love Columbus,

2024
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 1: is possibly one day move being away and trying to

2025
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 1: get a little bit more trivacy or just peace of mind.

2026
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 1: And we decided on Nashville, which ended up being a

2027
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, a great move in a great city. You

2028
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:12,719
Speaker 1: know very well. We didn't know a whole lot about

2029
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 1: it until we moved here, and we actually thought of

2030
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:18,640
Speaker 1: moving to Austin because of my travels, That's one of

2031
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:20,720
Speaker 1: the towns that had really had stood out to me.

2032
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:25,080
Speaker 1: And after we went down and back to Columbus. We

2033
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 1: stopped in Nashville and looked around and and just couldn't

2034
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 1: believe in we kind of a school there that that

2035
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:34,519
Speaker 1: that we ended up sending our boys too. But when

2036
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:37,280
Speaker 1: I walked through the school, I remember vividly now the

2037
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:40,320
Speaker 1: sixth grade, which is the oldest class, down the last

2038
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 1: wing in this hallway, this hallway, and reading there their

2039
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:47,559
Speaker 1: mission statements to each of the individuals had written that

2040
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:50,920
Speaker 1: particular year in sixth grade and read one, two, three,

2041
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:52,880
Speaker 1: the fourth, the fifth, the sixth, and I kind of

2042
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:54,599
Speaker 1: turned over the guy that was taking us on our

2043
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:56,640
Speaker 1: tour and I was like that their parents, you know,

2044
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:59,599
Speaker 1: right right these forum and They're like, no, that they

2045
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 1: wrote him. And I'm like, wow, it's just blown away

2046
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 1: by or the things that they were saying. And so

2047
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,160
Speaker 1: I kind of walked out of that well meeting me

2048
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 1: heap a hold my life. I said, Man, I don't

2049
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 1: know about you, but I want my kids to go

2050
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 1: to this school. I don't even know where we're gonna live,

2051
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 1: but I wanted to go to this school. And so

2052
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:21,759
Speaker 1: that that walking through that school really changed our decision

2053
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:26,120
Speaker 1: to be instead of thinking about it, like let's do it,

2054
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:28,799
Speaker 1: and we sent our kids to that school and we

2055
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 1: ended up moving down and thinks we've been down here

2056
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: now eight years, which is incredible to think. Um, My,

2057
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 1: my order boys were in fourth grade, we moved here

2058
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 1: and now they're freshman in college and so um, things

2059
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:44,439
Speaker 1: have been great. It's it's definitely a different way of

2060
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: living compared to where we're from, as far as the

2061
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 1: schools and not. You know, people listening, we won't understand this,

2062
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:55,920
Speaker 1: but we're not used to play the way they divide

2063
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 1: things up by if hear in Williamson County you know,

2064
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:01,720
Speaker 1: da da da dada. In Davidson County you need to

2065
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:04,559
Speaker 1: go to that. And we were like, we just were

2066
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:07,639
Speaker 1: used to whatever suburb you lived in. You know, that's

2067
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: where you kind of went to elementary school, middle school,

2068
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:12,360
Speaker 1: high school. So we've had to adjust a little bit

2069
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:16,599
Speaker 1: to learning all that and there's so many different choices.

2070
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 1: It's you know, down here to go to school. But overall,

2071
01:52:20,439 --> 01:52:23,479
Speaker 1: you know from living down here, people are incredibly cool

2072
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:25,960
Speaker 1: and gracious. And again I don't want to make it

2073
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 1: sound like people in Ohio and Columbus are not. Um,

2074
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:32,000
Speaker 1: it's just when you play football Ohio State and you

2075
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:35,640
Speaker 1: go on TV and you have to be fair and objective.

2076
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:38,679
Speaker 1: I think the maturity of people really appreciate that because

2077
01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:40,600
Speaker 1: they know when they listen to you, they're always going

2078
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:44,200
Speaker 1: to get how you really feel. Um And again, I

2079
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:47,960
Speaker 1: think it's just for that that that radical group that's

2080
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:51,559
Speaker 1: that's out there, that for us was just enough to

2081
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 1: to maybe maybe it's a good time with a young

2082
01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:56,640
Speaker 1: family to to uh set up camp somewhere else for

2083
01:52:56,680 --> 01:52:59,840
Speaker 1: the time being. And and we've enjoyed. It's a great town.

2084
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:03,840
Speaker 1: And we didn't realize, man we moved here, Nashville would

2085
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:07,599
Speaker 1: grow and become this quote unquote it's city, because literally

2086
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:11,559
Speaker 1: a year or two after we moved here, that show

2087
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:16,920
Speaker 1: Nashville came out, and the growth of this city has

2088
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:20,759
Speaker 1: just exploded. And it's almost like living in a different

2089
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:22,800
Speaker 1: city in just the eight years we've been here. I

2090
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:24,840
Speaker 1: can't imagine what it's like for you and for others

2091
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 1: that have been here for a long time but still

2092
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 1: just very fond of it and just appreciated our time here.

2093
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 1: For sure. This is I think maybe the most difficult

2094
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 1: thing you do in general. You know all of these

2095
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:42,040
Speaker 1: coaches very well, especially over the years. You get to

2096
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:43,720
Speaker 1: know them and you talked about how you'll talk about

2097
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 1: things other than football. You know a lot of the

2098
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:50,559
Speaker 1: players very well. When there are difficult stories surrounding the

2099
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:54,120
Speaker 1: coaches or the players, how do you deal with the

2100
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 1: private person that you know and their public persona which

2101
01:53:57,920 --> 01:53:59,680
Speaker 1: may be very much different. And the reason why I

2102
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:02,640
Speaker 1: asked it is as as I have moved into the

2103
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 1: arena where I make the living that I do. I

2104
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:08,600
Speaker 1: like to judge people based on face to face interactions,

2105
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of time you get the opportunity to

2106
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:12,960
Speaker 1: do that, and that's very good. But the public is

2107
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:16,840
Speaker 1: judging people on their public perception, and sometimes there can

2108
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:19,720
Speaker 1: be a mountain range of difference between what someone is

2109
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:22,680
Speaker 1: like in your experience and what their public persona is. Like,

2110
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:26,720
Speaker 1: how do you handle stories like those where you're required

2111
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:29,520
Speaker 1: to talk about somebody that you know, may know well personally,

2112
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 1: but publicly that situation is difficult, right, especially in these

2113
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:36,400
Speaker 1: fraught times where it's almost like if you defend somebody

2114
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 1: who's in a tough spot, then suddenly you're stained by them, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2115
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:46,480
Speaker 1: that's tough, And you're right. You get to know these

2116
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:49,880
Speaker 1: guys on a personal level, and then you know whether

2117
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:53,600
Speaker 1: they get caught up in something or you know, they're

2118
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:56,960
Speaker 1: they're being judged on wins and losses or whatever it

2119
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 1: might be. And now you've got to go on TV

2120
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: and say they don't deserve to have their job anymore

2121
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:04,200
Speaker 1: or something like that, and you're gonna have you know,

2122
01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 1: that's going to be an incredibly influential perspective to take.

2123
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:09,240
Speaker 1: And it's more difficult when you know that person than

2124
01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 1: it is if you don't. Yeah, I guess that my

2125
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:17,839
Speaker 1: of coping with this because at espn UM you probably

2126
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 1: have noticed in the last three or four years you

2127
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:26,840
Speaker 1: watch almost any analysts on TV that they're really encouraging

2128
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:35,480
Speaker 1: analysts to have really strong opinions. Yes they're calling it

2129
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:37,880
Speaker 1: cutting true and and they want you to be out

2130
01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:41,600
Speaker 1: there and you know, kind of take a stance, and uh,

2131
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:45,360
Speaker 1: they're rewarding for rewarding people who are willing to go

2132
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 1: out there and not be afraid to say things. You know.

2133
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:54,240
Speaker 1: And I guess in my case, from doing this for

2134
01:55:54,280 --> 01:55:57,120
Speaker 1: so long and going back to my role as I

2135
01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:59,600
Speaker 1: like I said, I try to be in my mind,

2136
01:56:00,160 --> 01:56:03,520
Speaker 1: there's so much a violatility on this side and there's

2137
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:07,040
Speaker 1: so much volatility over there on that side. Did I

2138
01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:10,600
Speaker 1: try to be a guy that's trying to which is

2139
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 1: hard to do in today's society, whether sports or politics.

2140
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:19,720
Speaker 1: I try my best to be strong with my thoughts,

2141
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:24,160
Speaker 1: but also to try to be UM. If the person

2142
01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, we're sitting on the desk, That's the

2143
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:29,960
Speaker 1: way I always think about it. They may not like

2144
01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:32,840
Speaker 1: what I have to say, but they're not going to

2145
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:37,600
Speaker 1: feel disrespected. And the way I said does that make sense?

2146
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:41,720
Speaker 1: You know? So if Urban Myers and the Crosshairs, whoever

2147
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:44,720
Speaker 1: it is, you know, Jim Trustle who they may not

2148
01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:47,240
Speaker 1: agree or like what I have to say. You know,

2149
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:51,080
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer was caught up in that stuff UM last

2150
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:53,840
Speaker 1: summer and I go on it seems like every week

2151
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:56,440
Speaker 1: we go on the air and talk about it, and

2152
01:56:57,200 --> 01:57:00,560
Speaker 1: I again, I would. I would, in my mind envision

2153
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:05,160
Speaker 1: Urban sitting on our desk, and I would talk as

2154
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:08,800
Speaker 1: if he were sitting there, and he might look at

2155
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:12,120
Speaker 1: me and not not like what I was saying, but

2156
01:57:12,280 --> 01:57:15,960
Speaker 1: he would he would. It's when emotions kind of settled

2157
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:18,400
Speaker 1: for him. He would look back at it and at

2158
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:22,280
Speaker 1: least understand what I was saying and not feel that

2159
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 1: he was being attacked or it was personal. I think

2160
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:29,040
Speaker 1: sometimes in our business because people are trying to steal

2161
01:57:29,120 --> 01:57:33,120
Speaker 1: the moment or they're trying to capitalize on an opportunity

2162
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:38,040
Speaker 1: for them personally. You know, they love to kind of

2163
01:57:38,040 --> 01:57:41,000
Speaker 1: like just go crazy, you know, and you see that

2164
01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:43,000
Speaker 1: every like if you and I turn on our TVs

2165
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 1: right now, someone's going crazy on something, you know, like

2166
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:49,960
Speaker 1: that's that's what everybody does. And I always feel like,

2167
01:57:51,320 --> 01:57:54,879
Speaker 1: you know, I'll go crazy if it's a kid that's

2168
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:58,320
Speaker 1: like being more about himself than the team, or a

2169
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 1: guy that's that's that's show voting and disrespecting somebody like,

2170
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:06,880
Speaker 1: that'll get me worked up pretty quickly. But when guys

2171
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:09,880
Speaker 1: gets guys get in some trouble, I try to be,

2172
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 1: like I said, a guy that's going to be strong,

2173
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 1: but at the same time fair uh as much as

2174
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:19,840
Speaker 1: you can and and not dance on their grave or

2175
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:23,600
Speaker 1: try to try to take advantage of of the you know,

2176
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:26,840
Speaker 1: a counch of sarkas of over the top kind of

2177
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:29,160
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Did a lot of guys do who

2178
01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:31,760
Speaker 1: do you think the coaches that you've worked with and

2179
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:34,760
Speaker 1: that have coached over the years would be great on

2180
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:36,880
Speaker 1: the game day desk if they were willing to do

2181
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:39,720
Speaker 1: it because there's a lot of guys like Urban is

2182
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:42,120
Speaker 1: gonna be on the Fox College Show right, Like, so far,

2183
01:58:42,280 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to me like Urban has leaned into

2184
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:47,560
Speaker 1: the idea that he's a TV guy. Right. You talked

2185
01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:49,839
Speaker 1: about the difference between a coach and a TV guy.

2186
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:52,720
Speaker 1: You'd have to lean into the idea of I'm willing

2187
01:58:52,760 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 1: to be a TV guy like Lee Corso has great coach.

2188
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:58,120
Speaker 1: But you said it best. He said, I'm an entertainer, right,

2189
01:58:58,160 --> 01:58:59,840
Speaker 1: Like we're in the entertainment business. I'm not in the

2190
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:03,120
Speaker 1: coaching business anymore. Who would be willing in your experience

2191
01:59:03,160 --> 01:59:05,560
Speaker 1: to lean into it? Who could be great at at

2192
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:11,360
Speaker 1: your business? That's a tough thing. I I have talked openly,

2193
01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:16,320
Speaker 1: I should say privately openly with with coach Saban about

2194
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:20,880
Speaker 1: doing it, and I think he would be I think

2195
01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:23,400
Speaker 1: he would be a superstar. He's almost like, yeah, Hutton

2196
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:25,880
Speaker 1: like he he speaks so softly when he's on the

2197
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:28,200
Speaker 1: desk with us, you know, because he'll he'll come on

2198
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:30,600
Speaker 1: a lot, whether it's when we do game day in Tuscaloosa,

2199
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:33,360
Speaker 1: he'll come on with us in the morning or obviously

2200
01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 1: is his team the rare moment they don't make the playoffs,

2201
01:59:35,960 --> 01:59:38,840
Speaker 1: he'll be are one of our guests analysts, you know

2202
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:42,320
Speaker 1: that we'll have at the championship game and just you

2203
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:45,200
Speaker 1: know what he's talking. He's talking so softly, yet you're

2204
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:47,080
Speaker 1: like leaning into him because you don't want to miss

2205
01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:49,960
Speaker 1: anything that he's saying, because he just he's like Yoda.

2206
01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:51,840
Speaker 1: You know, He's got so much to say that you

2207
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:53,880
Speaker 1: just want to like write everything down that he says.

2208
01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:58,120
Speaker 1: And I think he I think that the energy of

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01:59:58,160 --> 02:00:02,320
Speaker 1: that show w bring out aside to him, that would

2210
02:00:02,360 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun um. Not that he's ever

2211
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:06,600
Speaker 1: going to try to one day, you know, try to

2212
02:00:06,640 --> 02:00:09,640
Speaker 1: be a leak corso, but I think I think because

2213
02:00:09,640 --> 02:00:12,920
Speaker 1: of his knowledge, he would do it. Do you think

2214
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:15,920
Speaker 1: he would do it? When I do? I do. I

2215
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:18,720
Speaker 1: think he's still you know, I just got the hip done,

2216
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:23,280
Speaker 1: and I think he's still feeling like especially after the

2217
02:00:23,320 --> 02:00:26,360
Speaker 1: way last year ended, I still think he thinks he's

2218
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:29,200
Speaker 1: got so much left at him that I don't think

2219
02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:33,480
Speaker 1: he's he's thought about it, like, let's do it. But

2220
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:36,920
Speaker 1: every time he gets done being a guest analyst with us,

2221
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:39,920
Speaker 1: he always comes over to me, Hey, Hey, what what

2222
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:42,720
Speaker 1: what how do you say, how do you think that win? Bo?

2223
02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:45,520
Speaker 1: How was my fan? Coach? You're doing great? I mean,

2224
02:00:45,560 --> 02:00:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, this is your thing. He's like, I

2225
02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:51,400
Speaker 1: had some fun that I had a good time, you know.

2226
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:55,480
Speaker 1: So I when he I think when he's done, I

2227
02:00:55,480 --> 02:00:58,840
Speaker 1: think we could definitely talk him into joining us. I

2228
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:03,120
Speaker 1: really do, because I say what he'll find is this

2229
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:07,280
Speaker 1: keeps you involved enough for especially the game day. You're

2230
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:10,080
Speaker 1: going out to the games and you know you're you're

2231
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:13,720
Speaker 1: you're around the crowd, you're feeling that energy. Um, it's

2232
02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:17,360
Speaker 1: not obviously nothing close to wearing his white half zip

2233
02:01:17,480 --> 02:01:20,400
Speaker 1: and jogging out in the field with with the Crimson Tide.

2234
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:24,120
Speaker 1: But when when he closes that chapter, and I don't

2235
02:01:24,240 --> 02:01:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to portray as if he's in a

2236
02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:29,920
Speaker 1: hurry to close that because I think he's feeling like

2237
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:32,080
Speaker 1: he's got a lot, a lot to do, and I

2238
02:01:32,120 --> 02:01:35,040
Speaker 1: know he wants to advantage last year's lost to Clemson.

2239
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:37,640
Speaker 1: But I think he's I would guess he's got another

2240
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:40,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, four or five years in him would

2241
02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:43,560
Speaker 1: be my guests minimum. Um, But when he whatever that

2242
02:01:43,720 --> 02:01:46,160
Speaker 1: is that he's done, he would be the first guy

2243
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:51,120
Speaker 1: who's currently coaching that I think could be really really good.

2244
02:01:51,720 --> 02:01:54,320
Speaker 1: Um at joining us on the set and being in TV.

2245
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:57,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna be calling some point, I don't know. You

2246
02:01:57,920 --> 02:01:59,680
Speaker 1: may already have your schedule. I'm not sure if it's

2247
02:01:59,680 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 1: out at a Clemson game. Your sons will be freshman

2248
02:02:04,200 --> 02:02:07,080
Speaker 1: on the Clemson football team. This is something that you

2249
02:02:07,160 --> 02:02:09,800
Speaker 1: may have thought of at some point might arise. You know,

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Speaker 1: as you were calling games over the years, have you

2251
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:14,960
Speaker 1: thought about what that will feel like? Uh? You know,

2252
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:18,400
Speaker 1: I guess if you think back, Greasy, you know, called

2253
02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:22,160
Speaker 1: games alongside of Keith Jackson that his son was involved in.

2254
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:24,920
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine how hard that is to do.

2255
02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:28,200
Speaker 1: You talked about just watching them play. Have you thought

2256
02:02:28,200 --> 02:02:31,080
Speaker 1: about what that feeling will be like to look out

2257
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:34,240
Speaker 1: onto the field as your own kids run out as

2258
02:02:34,240 --> 02:02:38,440
Speaker 1: a member of a college football team. I have not.

2259
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:46,960
Speaker 1: I have not. I'll just say this, um my kids.

2260
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:49,840
Speaker 1: The fact that they have an opportunity that they went

2261
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:54,520
Speaker 1: to Clemson's football camp last summer and did well enough

2262
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:58,520
Speaker 1: to kind of raise uh Dabo and some of the

2263
02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:02,000
Speaker 1: staffs eyebrows and to call me and say, you know,

2264
02:03:02,120 --> 02:03:04,440
Speaker 1: we we we we might want to talk to you

2265
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:09,320
Speaker 1: about having these guys come on and has preferred walk ons,

2266
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:11,960
Speaker 1: And I had no idea really what that meant until

2267
02:03:12,040 --> 02:03:15,120
Speaker 1: we visited with him and started to talk more about it.

2268
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:20,800
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, man, They're probably very

2269
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:27,960
Speaker 1: few programs and coaches that I would feel comfortable with

2270
02:03:28,680 --> 02:03:32,160
Speaker 1: and sending my my own boys to go play in

2271
02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:34,880
Speaker 1: that role, whether or not a five star or four

2272
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:39,040
Speaker 1: star or whatever, they're going as preferred walk ons, And

2273
02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:44,360
Speaker 1: it's it's I'm not picking favorites. I'm not picking sides.

2274
02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you what I see and I really

2275
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:51,880
Speaker 1: believe from the bottom of my heart, the whether you're

2276
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:57,280
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence or my twins or anybody in between, you're

2277
02:03:57,320 --> 02:04:01,200
Speaker 1: going to be treated based on are you going to class,

2278
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:05,280
Speaker 1: are you trying hard, are you understand your assignments, are

2279
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:08,200
Speaker 1: you showing up to meetings on time? Are you treating

2280
02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:11,240
Speaker 1: the trainer as well? Are you treating people with respect?

2281
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:16,080
Speaker 1: Like so like football for me was with my twins.

2282
02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's it doesn't matter, of course it matters,

2283
02:04:20,240 --> 02:04:24,160
Speaker 1: but as a dad with with two freshmen that are

2284
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:26,680
Speaker 1: he's going a red shirt this year and then spent

2285
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:30,400
Speaker 1: another four years with Dabo and his guys, his staff

2286
02:04:30,440 --> 02:04:36,520
Speaker 1: pouring into them like that. That to me, is is incredible.

2287
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:40,360
Speaker 1: And when when when they talk to me about wanting

2288
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:45,120
Speaker 1: to do that, Like I said that, that's one of

2289
02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:47,560
Speaker 1: the few schools I would let him go. And I

2290
02:04:47,600 --> 02:04:52,080
Speaker 1: think the fact da Will lived himself at Alabama, I

2291
02:04:52,120 --> 02:04:55,480
Speaker 1: think probably has a lot to do with why he

2292
02:04:55,640 --> 02:04:59,120
Speaker 1: runs his program and why he treats the players all

2293
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:02,280
Speaker 1: exactly the And it's one thing to say that, it's

2294
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:06,840
Speaker 1: another thing to actually do it. And and you know,

2295
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:08,720
Speaker 1: my kids have been there, like I said, about a

2296
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:12,040
Speaker 1: month now, and the coaches have not been able to

2297
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:15,040
Speaker 1: be there. They're on their on their summer vacations and

2298
02:05:15,080 --> 02:05:17,800
Speaker 1: with their families, and I think my boys will come

2299
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:21,240
Speaker 1: home this weekend and then then they'll go back and

2300
02:05:21,240 --> 02:05:24,680
Speaker 1: they're actually taking summer classes all the freshmen do, and

2301
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:28,400
Speaker 1: then they'll get going um like July one, and then

2302
02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:31,080
Speaker 1: they'll start being with their position coaches and all that.

2303
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:33,760
Speaker 1: But up to this point, you know, they've never called,

2304
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, we we extend and said anything, but everything

2305
02:05:38,440 --> 02:05:40,560
Speaker 1: has just been positive about the way the players have

2306
02:05:40,600 --> 02:05:43,320
Speaker 1: treated them. And I'm not surprised. I just bring that

2307
02:05:43,400 --> 02:05:47,040
Speaker 1: up because um, people have said, why are they a Clemson,

2308
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:48,960
Speaker 1: why are they not at Ohio State? Or why did

2309
02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:51,880
Speaker 1: I at this place? I think it has more to

2310
02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:54,680
Speaker 1: do with just Clemson have to be a school that

2311
02:05:55,480 --> 02:05:59,560
Speaker 1: presented them with this opportunity, and then me knowing what

2312
02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:02,000
Speaker 1: I know about about that program, it was more of

2313
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:06,520
Speaker 1: me just kind of being very appreciative and excited for

2314
02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:09,360
Speaker 1: them to have the opportunity as far as calling the games,

2315
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:13,240
Speaker 1: and it won't even cross my mind, um that they're

2316
02:06:13,240 --> 02:06:16,600
Speaker 1: out there, you know, part of that team as red

2317
02:06:16,600 --> 02:06:19,960
Speaker 1: Shirts still dress for every home game. Ironically, Game Day

2318
02:06:20,240 --> 02:06:22,440
Speaker 1: is doing a kickoff to the A c C Network

2319
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:26,360
Speaker 1: into the season, starting uh in Death Valley for Georgia

2320
02:06:26,440 --> 02:06:29,400
Speaker 1: Tech that Thursday night game that they opened the season with.

2321
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:33,360
Speaker 1: I think it's on. I want to say that August one.

2322
02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:41,760
Speaker 1: Think it would be because Florida Miami if I'm not mistaken, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: doing that and then the twenty Nights will be there,

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Speaker 1: so they'll be there and be great to see them, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, being a part of that program. But as

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Speaker 1: far as you know doing with c D if that

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Speaker 1: ever comes to fruition and I have to worry about

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Speaker 1: one of them the receiver, and one of them is

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Speaker 1: a dB. You know, if they're ever out there and

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Speaker 1: I'm calling the game, that will be a great problem

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Speaker 1: for me to have to overcome if it ever comes

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Speaker 1: to that. But for now, man, I'm just just so

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Speaker 1: proud and excited that they are a part of of

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Speaker 1: that program and look forward to seeing how much they

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Speaker 1: grow and change and develops young men. Just being a

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Speaker 1: part of that, been around Dabbo and that staff. What

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Speaker 1: do it feel like to drop him off? For me?

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Speaker 1: It's very hard. My wife still, I think, is managing it.

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Speaker 1: I think the fact that we get them home this

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Speaker 1: weekend for a couple of days. Uh, there's two more

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02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:40,000
Speaker 1: days that they have off in August. Well, there's like

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Speaker 1: a weekend I want to say eighteens somewhere around there

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Speaker 1: that they're allowed to come home. It hasn't quite hit

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Speaker 1: me like it's for real, for real until maybe those

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Speaker 1: two trips are over because she's going to get to

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Speaker 1: go to all the home games go see him. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I unless we unless we do a Clemson home game,

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Speaker 1: I will not. Um. It's hard, man. We were a

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Speaker 1: we're parents that live and breathe in the front row

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02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:10,080
Speaker 1: like we we're just hands on, you know, just plus

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02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:12,640
Speaker 1: to be in that position. And so you know, when

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Speaker 1: you take two out of your fool or out at

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Speaker 1: one time. The hard part is when you go upstairs

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Speaker 1: and you go down the hallway where there's usually usually

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Speaker 1: four of them and now there's just two, and you

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02:08:22,120 --> 02:08:25,760
Speaker 1: open up their door and like their bed is still

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02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:29,000
Speaker 1: perfectly made, like nothing's happened in their room, you know.

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Speaker 1: So that part's kind of eerie to see both their

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Speaker 1: rooms just completely clean, and which is never the case

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Speaker 1: when they live here. And uh, you know, but it's

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Speaker 1: part of life. And like I said, it's the fact

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Speaker 1: that they're on this journey and where they are, uh,

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02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:50,680
Speaker 1: that that gives you peace of mind and kind of

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02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:54,000
Speaker 1: gets excited about what they're what they're part of, and

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02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:56,400
Speaker 1: what they're about to face, you know, for these next

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Speaker 1: five years. But it's hard, man, It's hard to let

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Speaker 1: go when you when you when you're heavily involved. As

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02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, some parents out there can can relate. It's

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02:09:05,680 --> 02:09:09,320
Speaker 1: it's weird too all of a sudden let two of

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Speaker 1: them go and and uh, now they're not at the house.

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Speaker 1: So now we're a family of four instead of a

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Speaker 1: family of six. We got a rising jr. And a

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Speaker 1: rising seventh grader still here at the house. Be sure

2374
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:24,160
Speaker 1: to catch live editions about Kicked the coverage with Clay

2375
02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:27,480
Speaker 1: Travis week days at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.

2376
02:09:28,200 --> 02:09:30,160
Speaker 1: We're talking to Kirk Herbster he wins and the losses.

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02:09:30,160 --> 02:09:31,920
Speaker 1: I know I said last question a long time ago.

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02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:34,800
Speaker 1: I actually mean the last question here you have said, like,

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02:09:34,920 --> 02:09:36,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to put myself in the category with

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02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:40,680
Speaker 1: Keith Jackson of the world. But I think right now,

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02:09:40,720 --> 02:09:42,880
Speaker 1: if you probably did, it's a it's a cliche and

2382
02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:45,840
Speaker 1: a trend in sports to do the Mount Rushmore. I

2383
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:48,960
Speaker 1: think you're close, if not already on there to being

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Speaker 1: on the Mount Rushmore. For college football fans, you may

2385
02:09:53,880 --> 02:09:57,920
Speaker 1: not want to accept it, but for for for people

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02:09:58,160 --> 02:10:00,240
Speaker 1: that you know, if you right now, we're pick for

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02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:02,879
Speaker 1: people to put on the Mount Rushmore of college football.

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Speaker 1: Certainly from the calling perspective, you mentioned how many Rose

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Speaker 1: Bowls you've called. The College Football Playoff replacing the BCS.

2390
02:10:10,120 --> 02:10:12,080
Speaker 1: I know you called some of those BCS games, but

2391
02:10:12,120 --> 02:10:14,920
Speaker 1: now the College Football Playoff just makes it so much bigger.

2392
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:17,600
Speaker 1: I feel like you're not an old guy now you've

2393
02:10:17,640 --> 02:10:19,440
Speaker 1: got a lot of years, especially if you look at

2394
02:10:19,480 --> 02:10:22,120
Speaker 1: the Brent Musburgers of the world and look at Billy Packer,

2395
02:10:22,240 --> 02:10:25,440
Speaker 1: even like how long you can call games because people

2396
02:10:25,480 --> 02:10:27,440
Speaker 1: get used to your voice and get used to you

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02:10:27,560 --> 02:10:31,280
Speaker 1: being there. How wild is that too? Here, as a

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02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:33,680
Speaker 1: kid who grew up a fan of college football, to

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02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:36,360
Speaker 1: think I am one of whether you want to admit

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02:10:36,400 --> 02:10:39,280
Speaker 1: it or not, you are the most iconic faces associated

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02:10:39,320 --> 02:10:43,400
Speaker 1: with college football, that blows me away. I mean, it's

2402
02:10:44,200 --> 02:10:49,200
Speaker 1: it's saying. I mean, if people would ever view me

2403
02:10:49,320 --> 02:10:54,280
Speaker 1: that way and that way, I mean, that's that's that's

2404
02:10:54,760 --> 02:10:56,920
Speaker 1: for me, That'd be a pretty good thing to be

2405
02:10:57,040 --> 02:11:00,240
Speaker 1: remembered by, because, like I said, I would just a

2406
02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:04,040
Speaker 1: kid growing up in Southwest Ohio and it's and around

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02:11:04,120 --> 02:11:07,120
Speaker 1: and love sports and just happened to love college football

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02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:10,720
Speaker 1: and and too lucky enough to be able to play

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02:11:10,720 --> 02:11:12,280
Speaker 1: it and not lucky enough to be able to cover

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02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:15,560
Speaker 1: it and talk about it. And you know, I I

2411
02:11:15,680 --> 02:11:20,839
Speaker 1: have always tried to make my job about the players

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02:11:20,880 --> 02:11:23,160
Speaker 1: and about the coaches and about the storyline. That's I

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02:11:23,200 --> 02:11:26,120
Speaker 1: think part of the reason I like the NFL. I

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02:11:26,200 --> 02:11:30,360
Speaker 1: love college football, and I I try to get out

2415
02:11:30,360 --> 02:11:33,280
Speaker 1: of the way of those stories. And I think people

2416
02:11:33,280 --> 02:11:35,200
Speaker 1: have asked me all the time, man, what do you

2417
02:11:35,240 --> 02:11:36,920
Speaker 1: get tired of it and get bored of it? I'm like,

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02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:40,200
Speaker 1: not at all, how can you? I mean, things turn

2419
02:11:40,280 --> 02:11:43,400
Speaker 1: over all the time. I mean there's players that come

2420
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:46,080
Speaker 1: and go, and there's great players and great stories that

2421
02:11:46,200 --> 02:11:48,320
Speaker 1: come and go. They'll be you know, crank it up

2422
02:11:48,360 --> 02:11:50,680
Speaker 1: this year in a couple of weeks and we'll have

2423
02:11:50,760 --> 02:11:54,960
Speaker 1: new players start to surface and new stories and and

2424
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:57,240
Speaker 1: so for me, I think that's the great thing about it.

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02:11:57,240 --> 02:12:02,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can't even fathom that, Like, if people

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02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:04,480
Speaker 1: would ever think of me in that way like that,

2427
02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:07,440
Speaker 1: that would that would really blow me away, And it

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02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:11,240
Speaker 1: would be an incredible honor because the way I've always

2429
02:12:11,320 --> 02:12:14,920
Speaker 1: looked at at those guys and the guys that called

2430
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:17,760
Speaker 1: the game is the most notably Keys, but there's been

2431
02:12:17,800 --> 02:12:20,160
Speaker 1: so many others, whether it's brand or I go back

2432
02:12:20,160 --> 02:12:22,560
Speaker 1: to like Bill Fleming and Chris Schenko. I mean, they're

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02:12:22,480 --> 02:12:25,920
Speaker 1: just amazing guys from but even Al Michaels when he

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02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:29,160
Speaker 1: was younger, Uh a great job with college football. So

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02:12:29,720 --> 02:12:34,960
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's that's uh something. One day, way down

2436
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:36,960
Speaker 1: the road, I'll look back at and think about it

2437
02:12:37,480 --> 02:12:41,280
Speaker 1: right now. I just keep trying to prepare and uh

2438
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:43,960
Speaker 1: and be ready to go for the next game. We'll

2439
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:45,960
Speaker 1: be watching this fall as we have been for a

2440
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:48,839
Speaker 1: long time. Kirk Herbstreet has been our guest. I appreciate

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02:12:48,840 --> 02:12:51,000
Speaker 1: the time. I know it's it's been a long conversation,

2442
02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:54,200
Speaker 1: but it feels like the snap of fingers to me. Dide,

2443
02:12:54,240 --> 02:12:59,560
Speaker 1: you have cornered the market on questions like take a

2444
02:12:59,640 --> 02:13:03,800
Speaker 1: clad for this or something like you really or good

2445
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:08,400
Speaker 1: at asking questions. You know what I think is what

2446
02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:10,400
Speaker 1: would I want? I've I've never done it, you know.

2447
02:13:10,440 --> 02:13:12,480
Speaker 1: I used to when I was a practicing attorney. I

2448
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:14,280
Speaker 1: would sit down and I would have to write out

2449
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:16,440
Speaker 1: a list of questions, you know, to think about for

2450
02:13:16,480 --> 02:13:19,600
Speaker 1: a case, and I try to listen to the answers,

2451
02:13:19,640 --> 02:13:21,720
Speaker 1: but then ask the question that if I were out

2452
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:23,720
Speaker 1: there listening, you know, you're talking about how you call

2453
02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:26,440
Speaker 1: the game so that you know you want to And

2454
02:13:26,480 --> 02:13:27,960
Speaker 1: I think that's the key. You don't want to appeal

2455
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:29,600
Speaker 1: to the six year old and the eighty year old.

2456
02:13:29,960 --> 02:13:33,280
Speaker 1: I think, what would I want to hear somebody in

2457
02:13:33,320 --> 02:13:35,400
Speaker 1: your position to answer and try to get out of

2458
02:13:35,400 --> 02:13:38,280
Speaker 1: the way. Most of the time because what I find is, uh,

2459
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:40,880
Speaker 1: usually you know, like there aren't that many forms. That's

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02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of the goal of this, right is to give

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02:13:43,120 --> 02:13:46,040
Speaker 1: people a chance to actually speak in something other than

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02:13:46,080 --> 02:13:48,720
Speaker 1: a ten second clip, right, which is great. People are

2463
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:51,320
Speaker 1: great at at clips and everything else, but you don't

2464
02:13:51,320 --> 02:13:53,160
Speaker 1: really get to know them. And the thing I love

2465
02:13:53,200 --> 02:13:56,600
Speaker 1: about radio is and now this podcast form. I think

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02:13:56,600 --> 02:13:58,840
Speaker 1: the people who have finished this conversation are gonna be like, Man,

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02:13:58,880 --> 02:14:01,360
Speaker 1: I've watched Kurk Kirk Street on Game Day for twenty

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02:14:01,360 --> 02:14:04,000
Speaker 1: four years, but I feel like I really know a

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02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:06,480
Speaker 1: lot more about him now than I did before I

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02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:09,000
Speaker 1: started the conversation, before I started listening, And that's kind

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02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:13,360
Speaker 1: of the goal. H you got it now, And honestly,

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02:14:13,400 --> 02:14:15,480
Speaker 1: I remember talking when you when you wrote that article

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02:14:15,600 --> 02:14:18,400
Speaker 1: years ago. I remember walking out of there and thinking, man,

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02:14:18,440 --> 02:14:21,000
Speaker 1: he has he has good questions and you just did

2475
02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:25,600
Speaker 1: it again. So obviously that's your thing. This podcast is great,

2476
02:14:25,640 --> 02:14:28,880
Speaker 1: but that that could be a future TV show for

2477
02:14:28,920 --> 02:14:30,680
Speaker 1: you too, or you can sit down with a guest

2478
02:14:30,720 --> 02:14:33,400
Speaker 1: and and ask him questions. That would be it would

2479
02:14:33,400 --> 02:14:36,160
Speaker 1: be a huge success. Yeah, I think it'd be a

2480
02:14:36,200 --> 02:14:38,080
Speaker 1: lot of fun, but a key is having guests who

2481
02:14:38,160 --> 02:14:40,240
Speaker 1: come on and answer questions honestly like you just did.

2482
02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:42,560
Speaker 1: So thanks. So you can follow Kirk at Kirk herb

2483
02:14:42,640 --> 02:14:44,760
Speaker 1: Street on Twitter if you want to follow him give

2484
02:14:44,840 --> 02:14:46,680
Speaker 1: him feedback on this. It would be actually, I hope

2485
02:14:46,720 --> 02:14:49,040
Speaker 1: positive as opposed to going after him because he picked

2486
02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:51,040
Speaker 1: the team you don't you didn't want to win. Uh

2487
02:14:51,080 --> 02:14:53,200
Speaker 1: And like I said, we'll be watching you on on

2488
02:14:53,520 --> 02:14:58,680
Speaker 1: ESPN and ABC all fall along and for years to come. Awesome, man, great,

2489
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:01,240
Speaker 1: great talking to you. Hope to see you soon. Yeah,

2490
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:03,400
Speaker 1: for sure. That's Kirk curb Street. I'm Clay Travis. This

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Speaker 1: has been Wins and Losses. If you enjoy it, give

2492
02:15:06,520 --> 02:15:08,360
Speaker 1: us a rating on the podcast and go listen to

2493
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:10,600
Speaker 1: some of the other conversations. I think you guys will

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02:15:10,680 --> 02:15:13,000
Speaker 1: enjoy them. Hey, that