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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by Beat three

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Speaker 1: six five. We are part of the Action Network. I

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Speaker 1: am Chadmillman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network. We

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Speaker 1: are beginning our series of division previews for the next

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Speaker 1: eight episodes. Every Tuesday, every Thursday, we are going we

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Speaker 1: are all Football from now until the end of the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Come the first Sunday of the NFL season,

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Speaker 1: we will be going Tuesday, Thursday Sunday. Me and my bff,

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Speaker 1: my companion, my Campodrey Professional Better, Simon Hunter Eado.

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Speaker 2: So, ii'mon Hello, hotcha? How are we doing? Brother? Dude?

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Speaker 1: You don't sound good.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm in Hawaii. I'm living the dream man.

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Speaker 1: Well, did you have any nightmares last night?

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Speaker 2: Why do you want to talk about this? People don't

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Speaker 2: want to hear about my short.

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Speaker 1: They do because it's freaky and it's and because when

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Speaker 1: you said it, and you'll explain it, Matt Mitchell said,

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Speaker 1: what happens to him, and these things have never happened

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Speaker 1: to me.

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Speaker 2: You've you've never been abducted by aliens.

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Speaker 1: Chad, Well, that's different than what happened to you.

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Speaker 2: Apparently it's not. That's what I look up sleep paralysis,

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Speaker 2: and that's a lot of people recurring things. They get abducted. Luckily,

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Speaker 2: I've never been abducted. But yeah, Chad's referring to I

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Speaker 2: have this weird thing where I'll wake up. I'm still asleep,

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Speaker 2: but I think I'm awake and you see stuff, which

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Speaker 2: is what Chad's referring to. And I, unfortunately, I have

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Speaker 2: a fear of spiders. I know, it's probably the least

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Speaker 2: mainly thing. I'm actually getting better. I'll say this off

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Speaker 2: the top. I'm getting better at it. But I'm in Hawaii,

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Speaker 2: and if you don't know, there are just massive insects

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Speaker 2: here and it's weird. The number one thing I'm scared

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Speaker 2: of here is centi petees. I don't know if you've

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Speaker 2: ever read about the Hawaiian Senate Peachad, but it is

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Speaker 2: a little bastard. If it bites or stings you, it hurt.

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Speaker 2: It's like a mother. And they're about six to seven

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Speaker 2: inches long, so they're pretty damn big. But that's besides

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Speaker 2: the pointy. I basically rolled over and I saw a

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Speaker 2: giant spider on my wall. So in a true manly fashion,

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Speaker 2: sprinted out of the bedroom, closed the door, behind me,

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Speaker 2: and it took me about an hour to get the

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Speaker 2: courage to go back into said room with uh basically

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Speaker 2: like a spray to kill the spider. I couldn't find it,

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Speaker 2: and that's when I realized I probably just made it

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Speaker 2: up in my own dream. So I went to bed

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Speaker 2: at I would say, one am after the Women's World

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Speaker 2: you know, and I saw four hours of sleep before

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Speaker 2: joining you on this lovely podcast.

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Speaker 3: You know what I love.

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Speaker 1: I love how you share your vulnerabilities on the show

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Speaker 1: because you are you are the opposite of someone. You

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Speaker 1: are like six ' three and you are strong, and

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Speaker 1: you're a professional better who like that is a hard

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Speaker 1: job and it can be a scary job, and yet

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Speaker 1: you're still willing to come on and talk about love one,

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Speaker 1: love lost, fear of spiders, your Pikachu cards.

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Speaker 2: That's beautiful, that's true. Yeah, I don't know. I told you.

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Speaker 2: I think the scariest part of my job will always

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Speaker 2: be handling a lot of cash, Like going with a

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Speaker 2: lot of cashwy sportsbook will always be the scariest. I'd

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Speaker 2: rather do that a million times over than you even

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Speaker 2: have to deal with one little Spider. So I'll let

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Speaker 2: you let's let you know, is hight I stand where

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Speaker 2: I'm at with Spider's ched.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, you know what's not scary thinking about talking

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Speaker 1: I get the newsletter. It's really good. I'm excited that

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Speaker 1: Matthew Friedman is going to be coming on the show,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to preview the NFC West. It's going

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Speaker 1: Matthew Friedman. I feel like you were just on the

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Speaker 1: show before we could announce that you were officially joined

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Life. Now you have joined. Tell us how great

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Speaker 1: tell us how awesome Matthew Berry is as a boss.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the best boss I've ever had, without question.

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Speaker 1: See I knew and will you.

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Speaker 2: Set me up?

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Speaker 3: It's like you wanted me to go there, Chad, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know we are longtime nemeses, you and I. And

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Speaker 3: so even though I would say that I don't really

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Speaker 3: carry that mantle anymore, whenever I come back on the show,

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Speaker 3: I feel the need to assume that role just to

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Speaker 3: just to make sure I don't disappoint you more than

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Speaker 3: more than anything else, I feel like you want me

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Speaker 3: to come on the show and still like maintain my

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Speaker 3: hatred edge.

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Speaker 1: You're underestimating my continued annoyance of you and disappointment and hatred.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well that's fine In some ways. I feel like

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Speaker 3: even that is still on brand and within keeping of

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Speaker 3: what you would expect. But yeah, everything is great at

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Speaker 3: Fantasy Life. I am working on a series long series

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Speaker 3: of articles, thirty two articles breaking down all the different

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Speaker 3: teams from a betting perspective entering the season, so ranking

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Speaker 3: all of their different units, the individual units power ratings

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Speaker 3: for all the team's projections for the teams win total projections,

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Speaker 3: projecting the fifty three man rosters for all of the teams,

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Speaker 3: with notes on literally every player players on the borderline

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Speaker 3: as well. So it is a beefy process. I feel

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Speaker 3: like I'm climbing up Everest doing it. But it is

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Speaker 3: the most fun I've had in years. So absolutely thrilled

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Speaker 3: to be in this position.

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Speaker 1: The most fun you've had, and say, exactly two years

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Speaker 1: since you left the Action Network, but that was the

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Speaker 1: most fun you had had until this time.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we need to contextualize it within

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm looking forward to getting a full debriefing

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Speaker 1: on the ways in which Matthew Berry is a better

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Speaker 1: boss than me. But until then, we got to break

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Speaker 1: down the NFC West, the Niners, the Seahawks, the Rams,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals. There are question marks all over this freaking division.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to assume that Matthew Stafford is close to

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Speaker 3: That you know, what we saw last year was a

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Speaker 3: guy who you know, had arm issues. He's rested. Now

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Speaker 3: So Perty is really intriguing to me. Kyler Murray. I

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Speaker 1: All Right, I feel like you are, Simon. I want

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Speaker 1: your take on this. But Frieman just described Perty as

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Speaker 1: a mister irrelevant seventh rounder just enough. That is not

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Speaker 1: The party we saw playing was making plays, was winning games.

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Speaker 2: Mean that's what he is. It feels like Party is

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Speaker 2: that ex girlfriend with all those red flags, but you're like,

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Speaker 2: feels like what brock Purty is, where it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: what Shanahan's doing, which is he's given the guy his loyalty.

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Speaker 2: It's like this guy got us to that point. He

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Speaker 2: deserves to be the starter. Man. That's a tough pill

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Speaker 2: They've get they gave a multiple first round picks, they

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Speaker 2: don't like the mojo, Chad. This is one of these

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Speaker 2: I don't really like what I'm feeling or hearing out

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Speaker 2: a great position. He's got three quarterbacks that he likes.

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Speaker 2: So he likes Purty, he likes Trey Lance, he likes

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this pretty thing is gonna work out.

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Speaker 2: Like he's coming back, so again, Chad just talked about

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Speaker 2: that he was a seventh round pick and he's coming

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Speaker 2: guy didn't have any offseason programs. Now he's getting thrown

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Speaker 2: right in with the first team offense, and you can

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Speaker 2: go through it. He's been terrible since he's been back.

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Speaker 2: He's had multiple fumbles, he's throwing multiple interceptions, he's been

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Speaker 2: sacked a bunch, and there's just This is just their practices, right,

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Speaker 2: This is Red Jersey practices. So I would say, not

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Speaker 2: a big deal. All right, it's August first, not that

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Speaker 2: to make a Trey Lance or Sam Darnold move. Lloyda

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Speaker 1: The forty nine Ers right now are minus one seventy

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Speaker 2: So to me, it's not shocking that they're a plus

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Speaker 2: And we've seen it with Shannon's teams. He's a he

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Speaker 2: they'll cross this eleven and a half number. But if

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Speaker 2: you to take this over. It's just a bad number.

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Speaker 2: there's not enough people. I bet that plus number eleven

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Speaker 2: it's a good number. Ten and seven, eleven and six.

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Speaker 2: That's right where the forty nine ers are probably gonna

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what's interesting about quick hold on Free Minutes

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Speaker 1: What I was going to say about the Niners before

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Speaker 1: So it's hard to bet against the Niners at eleven

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Speaker 3: Freeman, go ahead, i'ven projected for ten point seven. So

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Speaker 3: I'm right there with Simon in that ballpark of where

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't want to stop you, Chet because I

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Speaker 2: His man has been in camp, he did the off

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Speaker 2: rest of preseason. So to me, Stafford, again, guys can

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Speaker 2: They've given up all these draft picks to mortgage their

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Speaker 2: all the questions. There's a reason they're ten to nine

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Speaker 2: The public loves the Seahawks, they love the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, hell, chaed we talked about it. I might

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Speaker 2: I can't stop betting the over six and a half

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Speaker 2: We'll bet this under. They'll be all in on the Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: go from ten to one, nine to one Divisional odds

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Speaker 2: It's just that's a big, big drop. So that's just

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Speaker 2: there's rare opportunities where you got a really easy value

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Speaker 2: play and a veteran quarterback, and this is one of them.

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Speaker 2: This is one of these where the money has dictated

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Speaker 2: this number. Again, I'll talk to plenty of book makers.

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Speaker 2: It's just all Seahawks money in this division and then

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Speaker 2: it's all forty nine Ers money. Right, So to me,

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Speaker 2: you know, feels gross. Chad doesn't feel good betting on

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Speaker 2: this Rams team, just because I think Freeman alluded to

437
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Speaker 2: it a little bit of you know, he could be

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Speaker 2: traded Stafford that like that, that is a real thing.

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Speaker 2: They tried to move him in the offseason. Apparently he

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Speaker 2: stepped in and said he didn't want to be traded,

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Speaker 2: and like he said, that's good to be one of

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Speaker 2: by Velly's other teams. But it's just gone too far.

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Speaker 2: The other way this Rams hate, right, they still have

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Speaker 2: Aaron Donald as the anchor of that defense. They still

445
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Speaker 2: have Stafford Cooper Cup on that offense. I just I

446
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Speaker 2: think there's too much doubt with McVeigh right now with

447
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Speaker 2: this team. It's just it just doesn't make sense to

448
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Speaker 2: be chat six and a half on a team that

449
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Speaker 2: got six wins last year. It's too low. But then

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Speaker 2: you look at the numbers and the public are betting

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Speaker 2: this under. They're taking this under just because they think

452
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Speaker 2: this team isn't that good. So I'm gonna take the over.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the divisional odds, and it's an easy,

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Speaker 2: easy position that if they do go to and OW

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Speaker 2: to start the year, then I come back in the

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Speaker 2: other side. I'll take the forty nine ers because the

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Speaker 2: four Niners right now, would you say they were chat

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Speaker 2: minus won seventy five for this division.

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Speaker 1: I don't minus won seventy five.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't take it that price. So to me, it's

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Speaker 2: a nice playback of Okay, say the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 2: do you start one on one, they lose that second

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Speaker 2: game to the Rams, You'll be able to get a

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Speaker 2: nice buyback on this forty nine Ers team. If that's

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Speaker 2: what you want to do. So yeah, I'm just like

466
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Speaker 2: the Jaguars last year. Chat. I definitely think the Rams

467
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Speaker 2: are one of these teams. I'm all in on this

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Speaker 2: upcoming season.

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Speaker 1: Rams plus one five over six and a half at

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Speaker 1: bet three sixty five. Right now, Simon, if Friedman doesn't

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Speaker 1: speak specifically to a question I have, I'm gonna come

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Speaker 1: back to you, Freedman, in the spirit of Jack Jerman

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams, We'll say you.

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Speaker 3: I will agree with basically everything Simon said except one thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's taking it far enough. Wow. If

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Speaker 3: the Rams are actually good enough to win the division

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Speaker 3: at nine to one odds, and I'll say I haven't

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Speaker 3: projected for six point nine, So I do like the

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Speaker 3: over a little bit, even though I'm a pessimist. I

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Speaker 3: would never actually bet the over on almost any win total.

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Speaker 3: But if we're thinking about the wide range of outcomes

482
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Speaker 3: that this team has, if they are good enough to

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Speaker 3: win the division, that means that Matthew Stafford is healthy,

484
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Speaker 3: Cooper Cup is healthy, Sean McVeigh is locked in and

485
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Speaker 3: living life, and you probably have a defense that is

486
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Speaker 3: anchored by Aaron Donald playing at near peak form with

487
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Speaker 3: a lot of young guys who have stepped up, and

488
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Speaker 3: you have a defense that right now, I'm ranking them

489
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Speaker 3: number thirty two in the league. Right but that's like

490
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Speaker 3: the base case, worst case scenario. If they're better, even

491
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Speaker 3: if they're just a little bit better and they get

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Speaker 3: some youth enthusiasm here, they could be middle of the

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Speaker 3: road and at that point you have a super Bowl

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Speaker 3: type of offense with a good enough defense. What's stopping

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Speaker 3: them from getting to the super Bowl? At that point,

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Speaker 3: if they are good enough to win the division, what

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Speaker 3: is stopping them from reaching the super Bowl? So I

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Speaker 3: would just say, bet them to win the NFC and honestly,

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Speaker 3: bet them to win the Super Bowl sixty six to

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Speaker 3: one at bet three s five, I would bet that.

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Speaker 1: Working for fantasy life, living in a fantasy that's Matthew

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Speaker 1: Friedman in a nutshell. What I wanted to ask Simon

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Speaker 1: about was what do we think about the offensive line

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Speaker 1: for the Rams, which was atrocious last year? Is that

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Speaker 1: is there been enough of an improvement that we think

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Speaker 1: it can help the Rams do what we need to do.

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Speaker 1: We're talking all about the offense, but we're talking all

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Speaker 1: about skill positions. And you have said many many times

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Speaker 1: on this show what you grade highest when it comes

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Speaker 1: to thinking about teams and their value offensive line, defensive line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely not the strongest suit of this team. I

512
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Speaker 2: think i'd have to go through. I'm pretty sure I

513
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Speaker 2: had them anywhere from twenty two to eighteen. So they're

514
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Speaker 2: in that range of they're not as terrible as people

515
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Speaker 2: think they were last year, but they're definitely not as

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Speaker 2: good as I would hope they would be. So definitely

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Speaker 2: an issue when you got a guy like Stafford back

518
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Speaker 2: there that you know was taking a lot of hits

519
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Speaker 2: last year. That's obviously what help break him down before

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Speaker 2: he said off in the sunset last year. So I'm

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Speaker 2: ready there with you each other. That's definitely a big, big,

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Speaker 2: big negative towards me. But it's the McVeigh factor, Like

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Speaker 2: if they do have a week offensive line, McVeigh will

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Speaker 2: design his offense around that. That's what makes him so special.

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Speaker 2: So a lot a lot of stuff that you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go through here in preseason and learn

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Speaker 2: more about their offensive line, But as we stand here

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Speaker 2: right now, that is a big question work to me,

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Speaker 2: is their offensive line. How they're going to perform this year?

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: talked about Rock Purty and his routine so far during

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Speaker 1: training camp. We're I don't know, a week into most

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Speaker 1: training camps, what is your routine and when you're prepping

554
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Speaker 1: for the season. When it comes to keeping track of

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Speaker 1: the news in training camps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess the routine is keeping up

557
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Speaker 3: like a Twitter list. I guess, not a Twitter list anymore,

558
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: an X list that sounds really weird, but an X

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Speaker 3: list of different beat reporters.

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Speaker 1: And I've got an X list.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I will just monitor throughout the day. But I

562
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Speaker 3: mean there's so much aggregation that happens now that it's

563
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Speaker 3: not hard to keep track of the news. For the

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Speaker 3: big players, it's more about I mean, like Simon said,

565
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Speaker 3: like think about the offensive lineman, the defensive lineman, thinking

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Speaker 3: about the depth on some of these teams, and so

567
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Speaker 3: for that, you know, they're just specific beat reporters who

568
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Speaker 3: tend to be very good at highlighting different camp battles,

569
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Speaker 3: like the more obscure ones. And so I'll just be

570
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Speaker 3: sure to read whatever reports that they have.

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Speaker 1: Stammon, what about you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same. It's just honestly, that's the weirdest

573
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Speaker 2: part about being out in Hawaii is like the whole

574
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Speaker 2: world goes to bed by three pm Hawaii time, which

575
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: is like nine pm East Coast. It's it's a bit

576
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Speaker 2: weird where it's like I'm catching up on everything from

577
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Speaker 2: the day. You know, we joke, Chad. This is the

578
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: time of year where it's like like DJ Moore today

579
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Speaker 2: called a slam route, took it for a touchdown. It's like,

580
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 2: holy shit, like any Bears fans going absolutely crazy. One

581
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: is less than you guys had a wide receiver that

582
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: could take a slant route to the end zone, Brandon Marshall.

583
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Speaker 2: So it's I think any any fan base is going crazy,

584
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Speaker 2: Like I can't stop reading about these Georgia Bulldog rookies

585
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Speaker 2: that the Eagles drafted, Like I'm obsessed. So it's one

586
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Speaker 2: of those where we're stars. Yeah exactly. It's like everyone's

587
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: drinking their own kool aid, and I think, as a

588
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: better our job is to sift through all the bullshit.

589
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: So right now I'm just drinking all in, like this

590
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Speaker 2: is the time here. I'll just take it all in

591
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Speaker 2: and the next couple of weeks I'll start forming and really,

592
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: really really start forming opinions on stuff where some of

593
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: this is just pure smoke screen. Some of it is

594
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Speaker 2: you know a lot of these teams work with these

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Speaker 2: media members. And again I'm talking about Trey Lance, but

596
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Speaker 2: there's no doubt in my mind the forty nine ers

597
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: are going to try to move Trey Lance like they

598
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Speaker 2: clearly believe in rock purity. So to me, every time

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Speaker 2: I see a hype tweet about Trey Lance or him

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Speaker 2: doing really well, it's like, Okay, is this foreignine ers

601
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Speaker 2: pr trying to move this guy and put his name

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Speaker 2: out there. So it is tough chat trying to stift

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Speaker 2: through all of it, but it's the best just because

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00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: we already talked about It's like there's so much information

605
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: we put out there that if you can find good sources,

606
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Speaker 2: you really could take advantage for the upcoming season. I

607
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: feel at this point last year, you know, we were

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Speaker 2: really ahead of it with the Chiefs team. The Chiefs

609
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Speaker 2: were getting so much doubt by so many people just

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Speaker 2: because they lost Tyry Kill, and we talked about all

611
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Speaker 2: the time it's like this team is going to be

612
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Speaker 2: better now they're in two tight end sets, Like that's

613
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Speaker 2: going to be an improvement for them this upcoming season.

614
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Speaker 2: And we saw that it was. So that's one of

615
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Speaker 2: those where, yes, I'm forming an opinions here in this preseason,

616
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Speaker 2: but it's one of those where it's like I'm just

617
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Speaker 2: trying to sift through all the bullshit. Yeah, there's just

618
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Speaker 2: so much bs. Everyone thinks our team's going seventeen and

619
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Speaker 2: h going to super Bowl at this point. So that's

620
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Speaker 2: my job is kind of temper expectations not throughout last year,

621
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Speaker 2: but mold last year this year where it's like, Okay,

622
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Speaker 2: just it's because the Eagles went whatever it was, thirteen

623
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Speaker 2: and three, thirteen or four last year is totally irrelevant

624
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Speaker 2: to this upcoming season. But it's nice to see those

625
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Speaker 2: games for a certain team. So a team we're about

626
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Speaker 2: to talk about, the Seahawks, is one of those teams

627
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Speaker 2: that just jumps out of a team with a tony

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Speaker 2: success last year. Chad, Now what are they going to

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Speaker 2: do this year?

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Speaker 1: My favorite note so far this year in reading about

631
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Speaker 1: the Bears during the training camp is Number one pick

632
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Speaker 1: Darnell right, offensive lineman from Tennessee, came into camp sixteen

633
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Speaker 1: pounds later in the best shape he's ever been in

634
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Speaker 1: because he spent the offseason doing the training program for

635
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Speaker 1: wide receivers. Yeah, by accident. So I'm thinking to myself,

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Speaker 1: Wait a second, am I thrilled that our top pick

637
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Speaker 1: and an offensive lineman is in great shape? Or on

638
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Speaker 1: my upset that he didn't realize he was doing the

639
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: wrong training program for an entire offseason. If you do

640
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Speaker 1: not communicate with anybody like what happened here. I'm gonna

641
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Speaker 1: take it in a positive way, because you know what

642
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Speaker 1: optimism season. No one's doing bad. Even the rooky corners

643
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Speaker 1: getting burned are still moving their hips in the just

644
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Speaker 1: the right way that if they can adjust their angle,

645
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Speaker 1: they'll be perfect. We're really encouraged by the way we're

646
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: seeing a move all right. I don't know what the

647
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: Seahawks have done in the offseason to make us think

648
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: that they are a contender in any way. This team

649
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: right now, they're at plus two twenty.

650
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: They had a great draft, plus two twenty.

651
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: One in the Division eight and a half season win total.

652
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: It has regression written all over it to me. And

653
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: they did have a great draft last year too, right,

654
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: great great draft the defensive back. They drafted the running back.

655
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: But come on, Gino's not going to be the same

656
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: Geno Friedman back me up.

657
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: Are we sure that he's not going to be close

658
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: to the same geno. I mean, I would say like

659
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: he's in a pretty large tier of NFL quarterbacks where

660
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: he could be like the number twenty quarterback in the

661
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: league or the number ten quarterback in the league, and

662
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: there really wouldn't be much separating a.

663
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: Lot of those guys.

664
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: But what he did last year was fairly close on

665
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: like a per attent basis efficiency basis to what he

666
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: did the year before when he was a backup quarterback.

667
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: He's been there a long time, so he knows the system.

668
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: Shane Waldron I think is a pretty impressive offensive coordinator.

669
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: Their offensive line should be better than it was last year,

670
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: both because they've added to it and because they had

671
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: two rookie tackles last year who were good and are

672
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 3: now entering into their second season. They could take another

673
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: step forward. They've increased the strength of their wide receiver

674
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: unit with drafting Jackson Smith and Jig, but now they

675
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: might have if not like it's not the best wide

676
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: receiver group in the league, but one of the best

677
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 3: wide receiver groups in the league. And then on top

678
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: of that, the running games should still be pretty good.

679
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: I think the offense will be good this year.

680
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: Arguably the three best receivers in the history of the NFL. Chat.

681
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: I know it's a little early to say that, but

682
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm I'm I can't believe how good

683
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: their receiving corps is. So it's scary because I want

684
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: to be right on the Seahawks team. The only people

685
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: that are really all in on them are their diehard fans,

686
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: like they're they're the Seahawks fans. They were allowed chat.

687
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: We talked at them, maybe it was a month ago

688
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: or whenever we had a freeman on just about the

689
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: regression we saw Kamlin Gino and all their fans are

690
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: just coming back saying, well, how they're going to regress

691
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: when he has another weapon too, this receiving corps, And

692
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: that is fair, you know, It's it's a rare position

693
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: of a team. Team really did dominate the draft chat

694
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: it is. We saw it last year of the Jets. Right,

695
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: we expected a lot of not bad play from the Jets,

696
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: but we just had no faith in Zach Wilson, and

697
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: we were like, we don't want to take too much

698
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: from that draft class. Right Sauce came out, became an

699
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: All Pro and that really changed that whole dynamic on

700
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: that defense. And I have no idea how good to

701
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: this how State kid is right, he could be a

702
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: total flop. And maybe I'm overblowing this, but from all

703
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: the scouts I talked to, all these guys close in

704
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: the NFL, they were on this kid for years, like

705
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: talking about how good of a talent this kid is.

706
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: And now we've seen it now in the limited time

707
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: I've seen it in preseason, this kid's route running chat

708
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: is incredible. Like again, I have tons of respect for

709
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: Dk Metcalf. DK Metcalf runs shit at routes. When he

710
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: came out of college, he was just known as a

711
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 2: straight ahead runner. Now he's improved, he's gotten much better.

712
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: That's not really a strong suit. Lockett, on the other hand,

713
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: the other wide receiver in that group that is we're

714
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: usually strong. He's incredible running route. So you know, I

715
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: want to I want to take this under. I having

716
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: an eight point nine wins, so that rounded up to

717
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: nine wins, so I do have them at the over

718
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: slightly nine to eight. Not that far of a stretch

719
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: for this team, right, just because last year I think

720
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: they overachieved, right, they were better earlier than most of us,

721
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: predicting I'll be the first two amit. Last year I

722
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: took their under. I did not see Gino Smith turn

723
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: around his career like he did. I really did think

724
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: last year was going to be a band aid year.

725
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: He'd be okay, but they would eventually draft a quarterback

726
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: in the drop upcoming draft. They still talk about drafting

727
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: of the quarterback. Remember that Chad. They said if Anthony

728
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: Richardson fell the five, they probably would have taken him.

729
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: So to me, this is a really obviously a smart

730
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: front office to say a coach in Pete Carroll that

731
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: I just can't get over how good of a coach

732
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: he has been through all these years. Like when he

733
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: came from USC, I was one of those people that

734
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: was like, okay, he's just running away from a school

735
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: that he tarnished, right, Remember he had all that drama.

736
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: That's why he left there. They were going to lose

737
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: the Heisman and Reggie Bush. They had a lot of

738
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: stuff going on, manas he been a great coach there.

739
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: So that's the wh artist part for me is I

740
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: do want to take this under, but my model has

741
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: them in and over and in factor in the Pete

742
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 2: Carroll factor of this where it's like the top tom

743
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: you know, Tomlin and this Pittsburgh team. No one saw

744
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: them in that over last year, and he did it.

745
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: He got there, metcha. I believed in it, but we

746
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: were kind of island with that Pittsburgh tam last year.

747
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: It feels same as the Seahawks this year, where I

748
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: do think Geno's gonna have a regression, but I think

749
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: that wide receiving core is so good that even if

750
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: he goes from his incredible seventy percent completion percentage to

751
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: sixty four sixty five percent, I think that's enough for

752
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: him to get this seemed to nine wins. So not

753
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: putting anyone in them. Divisionally, I do not like the

754
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: value at all. I think this is way too inflated.

755
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: To me, they're close to a plus three hundred. They're

756
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: down to I think plus one eighty plus one ninety

757
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: on bet three sixty five for this division. That's way

758
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: too low for this team. So to me, all the

759
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: value division wises on the Rams win total wise, I

760
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: will throw a very small bet on this over eight

761
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: and a half.

762
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: You said something that it's a little bit shocking.

763
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: It pained you.

764
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: The greatest receiving corps in history.

765
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: The three of them. Yeah, I honestly believe that, dude.

766
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: The Raiders had Tim Brown and Jerry Rice at the

767
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: same time.

768
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: There was white cornerbacks when there playing. Chad, that shit

769
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: don't matter. Oh my god, get out of your time capsule.

770
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: Like that is just a hugely bold statement. I feel

771
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: like we should be able to think of three receivers

772
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: on the same team, like the Chargers with Mike Williams

773
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: and Keenan Allen as two thirds of a receiving corps

774
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: are already better than what the Seahawks have. You're saying

775
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: they could go down as that.

776
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: I just I can't get how good this kid is. Man,

777
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: There's just I already knew how good lock it where

778
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,479
Speaker 2: in DK metcalf forward. They literally made Gino Smith get

779
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: paid like Gino Smith was left for dead. This man

780
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: got three years what is a seventy million something crazy

781
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: like that. So I'm with you, Chad. I hate to

782
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: say shit like this, but I'm watching this kid run

783
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: routes and practice and his body control in his hands.

784
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: Holy shit, man, Like they just they nailed this draft.

785
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: And again I think they just signed the cornerback that could.

786
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: They took the fifth overall. Yeah, if he can be

787
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: what we think he should be, right, is a lockdown

788
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: corner that reshaped your whole defense. So you know, they

789
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: already have arguably a top five, top four safety in

790
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: this league. Now you're adding a hopefully to them, a

791
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: top five corner. That's that's a big deal to this

792
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: defense that you know, they struggled in a lot of

793
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: ways last year. Now they didn't really correct which is

794
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: their biggest issue, which is they couldn't stop the run

795
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: last year. I don't know if you remember this, but

796
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: they could not stop the run like that was the

797
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: biggest issue for this team. I know they've added pieces

798
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: to that d line and you know, maybe their detack

799
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: will make a big difference. But yeah, just on paper, chat,

800
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: I'm in love with this wide receiver corp. Now, I

801
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: get where you're coming from. I hate saying shit like this,

802
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: but man, it doesn't get more talented than this kind

803
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: of group.

804
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: Simon said that he thinks the Seahawks wide receiving corps

805
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: could go down, if not already as the greatest three

806
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: receivers on the same roster in NFL history.

807
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: Get the enthusiasm. I would just say it's probably a

808
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: little too soon to think that Jackson Smith and Jigba

809
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: is going to change the face of the NFL. He

810
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: is super talented. I think he's going to be a

811
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: great slot receiver. One question is how often are the

812
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: Seahawks going to go into three wide receiver sets because

813
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: they still rely on two tight ends quite a bit and.

814
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: They don't have a running back. Both their running backs

815
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: are dead.

816
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know then will be healthy by the time

817
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: the season starts. But it's an offense, I know. So

818
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: you know, on the one hand, Simon is saying like regression, regression,

819
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 3: and then he makes the case for like why this

820
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: offense should be good and the defense you know, he

821
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 3: hit it there too. The defense could be pretty good,

822
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: not against the run, but maybe a little bit better

823
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 3: against the run, just good enough against the run, and

824
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: then super dynamic against the pass. Because Sarreik Wollan was

825
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 3: a legit, like long armed, super athletic, shut down cornerback

826
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: last year, and then they drafted a cornerback at number five,

827
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: like they could have one of the top corner tandums

828
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: in the league. And then they're also really strong at safety.

829
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 3: Now with three legit starters back there, like they might

830
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 3: just roll with three safeties in their nickel package or

831
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: maybe play a little bit more of a dime package.

832
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: So their defense could be significantly better than it was

833
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 3: last year. Their offense, I think could take a little

834
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 3: step forward. I'm not gonna say like they're Super Bowl contenders,

835
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: but like they feel like a team that, like, if

836
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: they get feisty, could end up playing like the forty

837
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 3: nine ers in the conference championship game, you know what

838
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 3: I mean, Like they they could have some feistiness to

839
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: them that propels them in the playoffs.

840
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: Well, look, I think I think though, for purposes of

841
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: this conversation, we don't think there's value on the Seahawks

842
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: to win the division. Simon has them at plus three

843
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: hundred and they're at bet three sixty five. Simon, you

844
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: said it was one to eighty one to ninety. I

845
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: saw it at plus two twenty, So maybe it's different

846
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: in different places, but plus two twenty and their season

847
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: win total at eight and a half. Simon has them

848
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: at eight nine, so slightly over but not something he's

849
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: gonna bet. Friedman, what was your win total on the Seahawks.

850
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: I'm close to market. I didn't really see anything bettable

851
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: for them in the futures market. It would I saw

852
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: usuff in the season one player prop market that I

853
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: thought was bettable, but really nothing on their their team

854
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: futures market.

855
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: I will look, we've left the worst team for last,

856
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals Kyler Murray. We don't know what's happening

857
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: with him. That is a legit question. He came out

858
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: yesterday and said he's just going maybe two days ago

859
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: and said he's, you know, making his way back, but

860
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: he's not setting a timetable to it. Their season win

861
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: total was four and a half. Their odds to win

862
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: the division their plus twenty five hundred twenty five to one.

863
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: Not much to say about this team, is there, Friedman?

864
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: If there's nothing to say, Yeah, they.

865
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: Burn it down, you know, And I will say that

866
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: I think they at least intelligently started the process of

867
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: rebuilding the entire team this past offseason. So say whatever

868
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 3: you want about you know, Jonathan Gannon is your head coach.

869
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 3: I would prefer more of an offensive minding coach defensive,

870
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: But whatever you brought in a new coach, he brought

871
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: in a new staff and then you traded away some

872
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: pieces there you have a shot at having two picks

873
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: in the top five next year. And like, to me,

874
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: that actually feels like the best case scenario for this team.

875
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: Like the worst case scenario is somehow overperforming bringing Kyler

876
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 3: Murray back to early and you have a record of

877
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: like five and twelve, you know, to where like you

878
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 3: didn't really do anything to help yourself this season or

879
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 3: for the future. So I will be curious to see

880
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: how it is that they implement the rebuilding during the season.

881
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: But even with an incredibly low win total, there's no

882
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: way I would want to take the over because they

883
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: could just make a series of moves during the year

884
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: that make this team perpetually underperform and end up with

885
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: the worst record in the league.

886
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: So let's take the under, Simon, Let's take the under

887
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: four and a half.

888
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely these teams where you know, I know

889
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: people he upset people got when I talked about Kyler

890
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: Murray was on the trading block during the draft and

891
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: they were trying to move him, and they were willing

892
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: to eat up a lot of his salary because they

893
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: basically made a deal with the devil like they gave

894
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 2: him a deal where if they traded him this offseason,

895
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: I think they'd start to pay him like one hundred

896
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: million on a dead cap. It's something crazy like that

897
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: where their last gym was a real idiot. I don't

898
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: know if you've heard him talking now on multiple different shows. Wow,

899
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: how do I get a job as a GM in

900
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: the NFL just to be a total buffoon? That's what

901
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: that guy feels like. So to me, it's just a

902
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 2: situation of they have a lot of demons of exile, right,

903
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: they have a lot of mistakes on this team. I mean,

904
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: I'm shocked Buddha Baker doesn't want to get the fuck

905
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: out of there, Like, this guy is way too good

906
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: to be stuck on a sinking ship like this. You know,

907
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: it's just it sucks if you're an Arizona fan, right,

908
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean just a year ago, I think me and

909
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: chat both at Kyler Murray are top ten quarterbacks. And

910
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: then it comes out that this kid doesn't study his playbooks.

911
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: He likes to play video game right when he gets home.

912
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: He is the last one into the facility, is the

913
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: first one out. Those are all the biggest redflexan chad

914
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: you have your own quarterback right now? Justin Field's are

915
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: paying This kid lives in your facility, Like literally stays

916
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: in there twenty four to seven, sometimes just all week

917
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: he's at the facility, sleeps there, wakes up, trains, watches film.

918
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: That's what you need to be great in the NFL.

919
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: Everyone has the same level of talent, right, we talk

920
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: all the time. The talent level from the number one

921
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: quarterback to the thirty second isn't that different. It's all

922
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 2: about how hard you're willing to work and how smart

923
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: you are. So to me, Kyler we all know is

924
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: god given ability. But on a sinking ship like this, Chad,

925
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: I think Freeman talked about where it's like, if they

926
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: start the year zero to five, why would they rush

927
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 2: Kyler back? Like there is no reason to rush him back.

928
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: I can guarantee if people listening to the show, me

929
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: and Chatter are going to be on that week one

930
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: Cole McCoy plus six against Washington, give it to me

931
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 2: all day, Like mean, Chat are gonna love that number.

932
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: But season win till four and a half? It feels

933
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 2: right five and a half. The news came out, I

934
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: mean I wasn't the only one talking about that Kyler

935
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 2: was trying to get moved, and the news came out

936
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: that his injury is actually a lot longer into the

937
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: season than people predicted. Most people thought he'd be back

938
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: by week two or three of the preseason. It's not

939
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: really looking that way. So four and a half for

940
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: the worst team of football seems right. I mean there's

941
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 2: a lot of question marks at Kyler, this coaching staff,

942
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: and just the future of this team. And yes, if

943
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: you can have Houston's draft pick in your own and

944
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: you can have two top five picks in a year,

945
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: that who knows how good these quarterbacks are coming out

946
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: next year. But it's one of those where I feel

947
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: like they don't have a choice, like they have to

948
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: end up. They're probably gonna have to end up taking

949
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: all these quarterbacks and move off Kyler Murray. So to

950
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: meet Chad the when you're looking at number this low,

951
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: I mean usually don't like taking unders this low. I

952
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: honestly like last year, I think our lowest total was

953
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: I think we took Bears five and a half and

954
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: we were scared. Remember they won three games in the

955
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: first month and a half, and we were like, surely

956
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: that was a bad bet. I don't think we'll have

957
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: to worry about that with it Arizona team. So I'm

958
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: with Freeman. I'm not gonna put a big bet on it.

959
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: I got that at four wins, so four and a

960
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: half feels right. I'm gonna take this under here, no

961
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: division odds, nothing for them. I just I love betting

962
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: shitty teams to win the divisions. This like they could

963
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: have gave me. I don't know, two thousand and one

964
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: odds on this divisional odds, I probably still wouldn't bet it.

965
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: I just there is no scenario unless literally all these

966
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: other teams just fall fall off a cliff. Arizona maybe

967
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: can do it, but I just don't believe it. So

968
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: to me, Chad, I hate going with the public. This

969
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: is one of the most this is one of the

970
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,919
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971
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: tweeted out earlier today, the under four and a half.

972
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: I'll deal with Chad. I'll join the public, and I'll

973
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: take the under four and a half. It just feels like

974
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: the right number for a team that just has no

975
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: identity right now.

976
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: We did bet the Texans under four and a half.

977
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,440
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978
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:57,239
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979
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,799
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