Speaker 1: Heay of folks.
Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, April twenty first, and he has finally
Speaker 2: spoken to the New England Patriots head coach Mike Rabel.
Speaker 1: Has just made his first.
Speaker 2: Comments since that firestorm, since that tabloid story exploded with
Speaker 2: pictures of him and an NFL reporter who was not
Speaker 2: his wife being with that. Welcome to this episode of
Speaker 2: Amy and TJ. Folks know this story by now. Robes,
Speaker 2: Diana Rossini is a person he was seen when pictures
Speaker 2: with She has since resigned from the Athletic, but everybody
Speaker 2: was waiting to hear from him. We just heard from
Speaker 2: him at a press conference, made comments with about three minutes.
Speaker 2: I am particular. Robes asked, you don't tell me When
Speaker 2: I said, what did you think of what you just
Speaker 2: heard from him? And I actually don't know your answer,
Speaker 2: just your impression first of all, of what he said.
Speaker 3: I just think that it is a glaring example of
Speaker 3: a double standard where look, I understand they were in
Speaker 3: different roles, that Diana Rossini was a porter, a journalist
Speaker 3: working for a very reputable sports organization, the Athletic, which
Speaker 3: is owned by the New York Times, and there are
Speaker 3: ways of operating and she it seems at least had
Speaker 3: the appearance of violating those standards, and so she resigned.
Speaker 3: Mike Rabel is not being investigated. No one is looking
Speaker 3: into any misconduct. We don't know what's going on in
Speaker 3: his personal life. But it seemed as though all he
Speaker 3: had to deal with was his personal stuff and that
Speaker 3: is what he acknowledged without giving any specifics, and apologize
Speaker 3: for any distractions and moved on and went about his
Speaker 3: business of being the head coach of the New England Patriots,
Speaker 3: end of story. It's almost as if I saw him
Speaker 3: just kind of go, yep, let me just acknowledge this
Speaker 3: and then move on. And look, maybe that's fair given
Speaker 3: each of their positions, but it doesn't seem like it is.
Speaker 2: I don't think she should have resigned, is where I'll start.
Speaker 2: So to your point about a double standard, that's fine.
Speaker 2: I don't see it as a double standard as a
Speaker 2: man woman and people will see it as a double
Speaker 2: standard that I do understand. The double standard could be
Speaker 2: argued having to do with her and how other male
Speaker 2: journalists behave. It shouldn't be a comparison, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: between her as a journalist compared with him as a coach.
Speaker 2: They got guys with criminal records playing football every damn Sunday.
Speaker 2: Don't tell me this now. It makes them look bad.
Speaker 2: He brought a bad reputation onto the team, which he acknowledged,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna let you hear him. We're going to
Speaker 2: play it for you here in a moment. But for me, Ropes,
Speaker 2: he didn't. I never saw this as a double standard
Speaker 2: that some talked about between him and her. The double
Speaker 2: standard is her and every other possible journalist, which is
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly male dominated in the sports field where she works,
Speaker 2: don't have a direct comparison with anybody else's situation. But he, yes,
Speaker 2: they are held to a different standard in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Look, and I get that, and I acknowledge that, and
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4: The fairer compare would be.
Speaker 3: Comparing Diana Rossini with her male counterpart makes total sense.
Speaker 3: It's just it's overwhelming the difference between the two in
Speaker 3: terms of what the professional repercussions were. And I'm sure
Speaker 3: she knew that going into it, and he knows that
Speaker 3: going into it. She, of all people who covers sports
Speaker 3: and covers the NFL, understands that there is a much
Speaker 3: different standard in play than there is for someone who
Speaker 3: is an operating journalist. That I totally acknowledge that, but
Speaker 3: still it just seems it just seems unfair.
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was unfair that she lost her job.
Speaker 2: I am saying, none of this is any of our business. Now,
Speaker 2: it's okay to speak on it now, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: because they did both address it. They did both say something.
Speaker 2: She put on a long letter resigning, so that brought
Speaker 2: it up to a level where it was a different story.
Speaker 2: But rhaps other than that, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: Is his house in her house, with their marriages, with
Speaker 2: their backgrounds, with their understand I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: look at any of this in the pictures that I
Speaker 2: saw robes, And yes, we have some experience, if you will,
Speaker 2: not just our personal but seeing other people's stories robes
Speaker 2: and how they've been handling people, jumping to conclusions and
Speaker 2: not understanding. Yes, these two could be up to know whatever.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: That's not for me to say. It's for her husband
Speaker 2: and his wife and coach and the reporter. It's their thing.
Speaker 2: So now this next thing has happened in robes. The
Speaker 2: one thing that did not come out come out of
Speaker 2: his mouth was I'm sorry. The thing that didn't come
Speaker 2: out of his mouth is I apologize.
Speaker 3: And he also didn't make any acknowledgments either way. He
Speaker 3: didn't deny any untoward relationship. He didn't deny anything improper
Speaker 3: happening between him and Diana Rossini. He thanked reporters who
Speaker 3: had gathered there for their patients in waiting for him
Speaker 3: to make any sort of remarks. But I'm curious what
Speaker 3: you think about the difference between his initial statement when
Speaker 3: the pictures prefer revealed, where he basically said, I don't
Speaker 3: need to make another statement, this is laughable, to where
Speaker 3: he was today thanking journalists for their patients and acknowledging
Speaker 3: that he's had difficult conversations with his family.
Speaker 2: Those two things don't obviously line up. We can jump
Speaker 2: to any conclusion we want, but those things are laid
Speaker 2: out and clear. If he was not involved in not
Speaker 2: doing anything wrong, he would have said that in the
Speaker 2: first statement. He would have said in this one, guys,
Speaker 2: I know this looked bad, but let me tell you
Speaker 2: what happened and what was going on and the reason
Speaker 2: we were this, and knock yourself out. He didn't do that.
Speaker 2: He chose not to what he has done. Now Rose
Speaker 2: is left as in a position to where I said,
Speaker 2: I'll almost say about it next question, for all for
Speaker 2: all time. This is done because he said, I talked
Speaker 2: to the people who are important to talk to, my team,
Speaker 2: my coaches, my organization.
Speaker 3: And look, you're somebody who knows how the sports world operates,
Speaker 3: probably more than I do, just because you're immersed in
Speaker 3: it in a way I haven't been.
Speaker 4: Did he need to even say anything? Did he even
Speaker 4: go further than.
Speaker 1: He had to? No?
Speaker 2: He Maybe I would argue you should have gone a
Speaker 2: little further, but I would say he did what he
Speaker 2: needed to do, and the reason he had to do it,
Speaker 2: Robes is the damn NFL Draft is on Thursday. And
Speaker 2: if folks you don't, yes you hear about the draft,
Speaker 2: you see it's a big TV event, Robes, this is
Speaker 2: the most important time other than the super Bowl for
Speaker 2: the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's that big of a deal.
Speaker 2: They are forming their teams that are going to carry
Speaker 2: them to the next super Bowl in two years, five years.
Speaker 2: You are building your franchise. It's an event. It's a
Speaker 2: three day event. They do it in Pittsburgh Now Robes,
Speaker 2: it is a cute show. You cannot have this be
Speaker 2: top of mind and everybody waiting to chase him around,
Speaker 2: or his players around, or the owner around to ask
Speaker 2: about Rabel. So he had to say something, and he
Speaker 2: had to do it like this. But what he's essentially
Speaker 2: done in Robes to say shut up? I said all
Speaker 2: I'm to say, and I've already what he told you,
Speaker 2: so don't waste your time.
Speaker 3: So that's my next question. Does this stop reporters? I
Speaker 3: don't know what the level of decorum is among reporters. Yes,
Speaker 3: and this head coach, this storied winning head coach, will
Speaker 3: they respect his request?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Wow, they want access for the entire season. They're gonna
Speaker 2: be good, They're gonna go to the playoffs. You need
Speaker 2: a good relationship not just with the coach, with the players,
Speaker 2: with the organization. Don't piss them off. You're gonna lose
Speaker 2: your access. Now sixty minutes sits down with them. All
Speaker 2: bets are off. But in his day to day and
Speaker 2: the folks that are in that room, I can't imagine
Speaker 2: who's gonna take him to task for this. And as
Speaker 2: a pr person standing by going next question, they did.
Speaker 2: This was Azy Fudd the other day, the number one
Speaker 2: draft pick of the Yukon. One of the reporters asked
Speaker 2: her about her relationship with Paige Becker's The two were
Speaker 2: dating at Yukon. Page is now working or playing for
Speaker 2: the team that Azy just got recruited, just got drafted to.
Speaker 1: Asked her a question about her relationship.
Speaker 2: Reporter or excuse me, The PR person jumped in, no,
Speaker 2: you have to ask that, but we're gonna shut this down.
Speaker 2: You're not allowed. They can tell you to shut up.
Speaker 2: We are not gonna allow you to ask our athlete,
Speaker 2: our coach anything. This is done for him. Wow, bros,
Speaker 2: it's done. It's over. Said what I'm gonna say Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on at his house, but
Speaker 2: this is what's going on. At least this is what
Speaker 2: he told us. So I'm gonna set this up. Robes,
Speaker 2: you heard this as well. The part we're gonna let
Speaker 2: you here, folks, we're gonna play. It's about a minute long.
Speaker 2: But he talked initially just saying, hey, I addressed my
Speaker 2: players yesterday. I talked to them. I got ahead of them.
Speaker 2: I didn't want them to have to come out here
Speaker 2: and answer questions blah blahlah blah, and so we pick
Speaker 2: it up robes where you could tell he was about
Speaker 2: to transition to the difficult stuff. So at the beginning
Speaker 2: of this sound by you hear him take a very
Speaker 2: big sigh. So that's what you're gonna hear. But this
Speaker 2: is coach Mike Rabol making his first comments since this
Speaker 2: whole thing went down.
Speaker 5: Team.
Speaker 6: With that being said, you know, I've had some differicult
Speaker 6: conversations with people that I care about, with my family,
Speaker 6: the organization, the coaches, the players, those have been positive
Speaker 6: and productive. We believe in order to be successful on
Speaker 6: and off the field, you have to make good decisions.
Speaker 5: That includes me. That starts with me.
Speaker 6: We never want our actions to negatively affect affect the team.
Speaker 6: We never want to be the cause of a distraction,
Speaker 6: you know. And what I know those are comments and
Speaker 6: questions that I've answered for the team and with the team.
Speaker 6: Will keep those private, and you know, to ourselves care
Speaker 6: deeply about this football team and I'm excited to coach them.
Speaker 5: I also know that I'm going to attack each day
Speaker 5: with humility and focus.
Speaker 6: And what I can promise you is that my family,
Speaker 6: this organization the team, the staff, the coaches, everybody are
Speaker 6: fans most importantly, will get the best version of me
Speaker 6: going forward.
Speaker 2: You notice he said family is well going to get
Speaker 2: the best version of me going forward.
Speaker 4: The best version of me going forward.
Speaker 3: I'm curious by him saying that you have to be
Speaker 3: or in order to be successful on the field, you
Speaker 3: have to make good decisions on and off the field.
Speaker 3: Was that his way of acknowledging he made a bad decision.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you combine that with the best version of me.
Speaker 2: That's what people say after they mess up. That's what
Speaker 2: people say after they get caught and they say I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: and then they say, but moving forward. I mean, people
Speaker 2: have done this in relationships when they screw up. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: But moving forward, you're going to get the best for pros.
Speaker 2: That is as close as he's getting to admitting that
Speaker 2: he did wrong.
Speaker 4: Those without saying he's sorry.
Speaker 2: Out saying it. That's as close as he's going to get.
Speaker 2: That's the best you're going to get from Mike Vabel.
Speaker 2: Everybody's moving on. I will be surprised if you hear
Speaker 2: any leaks coming out of that locker room about this
Speaker 2: is what he said, and this is what we thought,
Speaker 2: and this is what the team.
Speaker 1: I would be surprised to even to hear that.
Speaker 3: That was my next question to you, because again, you
Speaker 3: know sports culture in a way I do not. You
Speaker 3: know locker rooms in a way I do not. That
Speaker 3: just seems unthinkable to me. I can't think of another
Speaker 3: organization where you would have something potentially this scandalous and
Speaker 3: you have the goods, you have the information, you know
Speaker 3: what he said, you know what he didn't say, and
Speaker 3: you don't tell anyone because with any of these players
Speaker 3: even told their girlfriend or their wives, and they told
Speaker 3: their friend.
Speaker 4: This is how things get out.
Speaker 2: This is not a newsroom. I would be really surprised
Speaker 2: if we get some big headline. Everybody's after it right now,
Speaker 2: TMZ and the like. Everybody's trying to get some little nugget,
Speaker 2: little detail to have some headline. I would be surprised.
Speaker 2: But stay here with us, folks. Yes, we're finally doing
Speaker 2: a whole episode Robes. We've done a couple of episodes
Speaker 2: on this. This is the most we've talked about Coach
Speaker 2: rabel in any of them. We've been talking about Diana Russini,
Speaker 2: the reporter involved, and also another young lady who has
Speaker 2: also now lost her job. Stay here, we'll remind you
Speaker 2: of the other fallout in this story. All right, we
Speaker 2: continue here on Amy and TJ Robes. I isn't it.
Speaker 2: We've said this. We did one of these episodes and
Speaker 2: at the end of it, I mean we did twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes, and in the twenty second minute we
Speaker 2: looked at each other and.
Speaker 1: Said, how we even mentioned coach raybel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I guess that's my point. When you
Speaker 3: hear him just kind of and I don't want to
Speaker 3: say flippantly, but it wasn't an apology tour. It didn't
Speaker 3: seem as if he were. He didn't seem like he
Speaker 3: was in pain or that he had any sort of remorse.
Speaker 3: He just was matter of factly like, yep, talk to
Speaker 3: my friends and family and my players.
Speaker 4: We're done here, moving on, you'll get the best version
Speaker 4: of me. Next question.
Speaker 3: Meantime, you have two women who've lost their jobs amidst
Speaker 3: this scandal.
Speaker 2: One of them voluntarily resigned, the other got fired. Chrissy
Speaker 2: Freud I believe is her name, USA today a sports
Speaker 2: reporter who put up what's the best uh, what's the
Speaker 2: best way to describe the the tweet she put out, right, you.
Speaker 3: Had a girl to me, she kicked her when Diana
Speaker 3: Rossini was down, kind of saying, yeah, we knew this
Speaker 3: about you all along. Don't let the door hit you
Speaker 3: on in the ass on your way out, just basically
Speaker 3: cheering celebrating the fact that Rassini resigned. She claimed, Oh,
Speaker 3: you just resigned because you were about to be fired,
Speaker 3: so just took an opportunity to take a low blow
Speaker 3: and a mean shot at her publicly, and then she
Speaker 3: ended up losing her job.
Speaker 4: In doing so. Hey, Ann, that was that one was
Speaker 4: just I don't mind her being fired at all.
Speaker 3: That one, that one I actually do not mind at
Speaker 3: all because she didn't.
Speaker 4: Need to jump in, she didn't need to say anything.
Speaker 3: No good came out of what she put out in
Speaker 3: the world. We've always said this, and we all have
Speaker 3: to be reminded, but look it. If you aren't serving
Speaker 3: a greater good, if you aren't whatever information you're putting out,
Speaker 3: if it if it isn't helpful, if it isn't enlightening,
Speaker 3: why put it out in the world. If it's just
Speaker 3: to be mean, And that's all that was. There was
Speaker 3: no value in what she said, that's.
Speaker 1: A tough one. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I hate to root for support somebody. I would never
Speaker 2: support somebody being fired, if you will, But man, a
Speaker 2: suspension would have been Okay, that was just awful.
Speaker 1: That was me all right.
Speaker 2: Back to Rassini here, we don't know where she is
Speaker 2: going to be. She's kind of gone quiet since that
Speaker 2: letter ropes, that Resonation Nation letter that she put out.
Speaker 2: I have one last question. I didn't think about it
Speaker 2: until you said something about the double standard. What would
Speaker 2: your thought of Rabel have been had been if same
Speaker 2: pictures came out, but instead of it being Diana Russini,
Speaker 2: it was a woman nobody knew. It was a Rando,
Speaker 2: just some random woman nobody knew. And she goes about
Speaker 2: her business, goes by, we never find out publicly who
Speaker 2: she is, she never loses a job, goes out about
Speaker 2: her life. Would you have felt so strongly about Rabel
Speaker 2: needing some kind of disciplinary action for being caught in
Speaker 2: that compromising position?
Speaker 3: You know, that's a really interesting question, and the answer
Speaker 3: is no.
Speaker 4: The answer is no, because.
Speaker 3: I do believe there should be anyone who is in
Speaker 3: a public position or and is in an influential position
Speaker 3: still deserves to have a private life, and I still
Speaker 3: think people are humans and they make choices that might
Speaker 3: not bode well for their marriage or for their relationship,
Speaker 3: but it shouldn't necessarily impact their professional life. However, I
Speaker 3: do think in this particular instance, just as much as
Speaker 3: she could be faulted for having some sort of access
Speaker 3: or some sort of inappropriate relationship that could have impacted
Speaker 3: her credibility as a journalist, which I totally get, he
Speaker 3: too could be held to a standard where he could
Speaker 3: be getting favorable coverage. He could be getting some sort
Speaker 3: of benefit from having this relationship as well that at
Speaker 3: least could be looked into. But I see your face,
Speaker 3: and I understand, and you've pointed this out many many times,
Speaker 3: and I get it. The things that the players on
Speaker 3: his team and lots of other teams have been accused of,
Speaker 3: charged with convicted of it pales in comparison to these pictures.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 2: I was the idea that he is benefiting professionally, that
Speaker 2: having an affair helped him go fourteen and three and
Speaker 2: make it to the super Bowl. There is I keep
Speaker 2: going back to that standard, And yeah, there is a
Speaker 2: standard for journalist behavior that she had to adhere to.
Speaker 2: There's a standard for coach and NFL behavior that he
Speaker 2: is supposed to adhere to. This one does not rise
Speaker 2: to the level, at least from the NFL of something
Speaker 2: that deserves not just doesn't deserve disciplinary action, it doesn't
Speaker 2: even deserve an investigation.
Speaker 1: They're not even looking.
Speaker 3: They're not investigating. There's look in they said, Yep, pretty
Speaker 3: much that I I do. I totally understand it when
Speaker 3: you look deeper into the organizations that each person worked for,
Speaker 3: why there was a different outcome. And again she did
Speaker 3: choose to resign, but she wasn't fired. However, it I
Speaker 3: think not to not to give Chrissy uh what's her
Speaker 3: freud any sort of support. I do think it's probably
Speaker 3: likely she was probably pointing out something that is something
Speaker 3: many would have thought that just the pictures alone would
Speaker 3: probably have ended with her being asked to leave just
Speaker 3: because there was I think it's hard to argue that
Speaker 3: that wasn't improper, that that didn't look improper, even if
Speaker 3: it had the possibility being interpreted as improper. She he
Speaker 3: was somebody who she was supposed to have a only
Speaker 3: professional relationship.
Speaker 2: Job policy, to your point, doesn't say You can't just
Speaker 2: can't have a relationship with somebody you're covering. You have
Speaker 2: to avoid the appearance even of a relationship or a
Speaker 2: conflict of interests. You're supposed to avoid it. Even looking like.
Speaker 4: That pool side in a bikini with him.
Speaker 1: That's gonna look like.
Speaker 4: It's not a good look.
Speaker 1: You know what that's gonna look like.
Speaker 2: Now, if it was all good, she could have gone
Speaker 2: in You and I will have loved an opportunity to
Speaker 2: sit down and say, yeah, guys, this is all that's happening,
Speaker 2: this is what it was, this is why it looks
Speaker 2: like that, this is really what's happening. She had that opportunity, okay,
Speaker 2: to avoid a you know what, even if she had
Speaker 2: been in a more public place, right then you say
Speaker 2: this was some private, kind of exclusive, romantic place. Romantic
Speaker 2: if she had been at a Disney World resort at
Speaker 2: a pool with him and tons of people around, I
Speaker 2: was gone. Obviously she's not trying to sneak around.
Speaker 3: Correct, That would have looked different as well. Yes, And
Speaker 3: to your point, we would have loved. We even talked
Speaker 3: about who could sit down to do the interview with
Speaker 3: us so that we can really just put it all
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 4: I'm also just curious what you think.
Speaker 3: You may laugh at this, but I would have, and
Speaker 3: he doesn't care what I think. And maybe he doesn't
Speaker 3: care what a lot of people think because he just
Speaker 3: does his job well and that's good enough. But if
Speaker 3: Mike Rabel had come out and said, I behaved badly,
Speaker 3: I cheated on my wife. I feel terrible about it.
Speaker 3: I'm making amends with her. This is not something that
Speaker 3: the public needs to dissect or have a conversation about
Speaker 3: because I'm handling it privately. Just know that I am
Speaker 3: deeply regretful for my choices, and I'm repairing that with
Speaker 3: my wife.
Speaker 4: With that, I would have been like, wow, damn. I
Speaker 4: would have been impressed.
Speaker 3: But that probably is hilarious to even imagine somebody would
Speaker 3: be willing to do that if they didn't have to.
Speaker 2: Somebody has to do that if they're working in an
Speaker 2: industry where you need the public's support for you to
Speaker 2: continue to work in that industry. He doesn't need a
Speaker 2: damn thing but to win football games. He just came
Speaker 2: out of the Super Bowl. If they were three and
Speaker 2: thirteen last year, maybe we're having a different conversation robes
Speaker 2: they were plays away from being Super Bowl champion. So
Speaker 2: I'm saying to you, he doesn't have to do that.
Speaker 2: He doesn't need to do that. It doesn't help him
Speaker 2: to do that at all. Now, if you're an actor,
Speaker 2: if you're a musician, if you're somebody needs people to
Speaker 2: buy tickets to your show, if you need somebody to
Speaker 2: support you, Wow, then that's different. You come out and
Speaker 2: say I am sorry, I need to make amends, and
Speaker 2: you want people on your side, sweetheart.
Speaker 1: They're only on his side.
Speaker 2: How big of How many big asshole coaches have you
Speaker 2: seen that still got jobs because they win?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you have Sean Moore, But that was
Speaker 3: because he was having that relationship with someone who worked
Speaker 3: for him and who was under him.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to fire him. They had to fire him, sweetheart.
Speaker 2: They fired him on the day he was being he
Speaker 2: got arrested. It was a domestic violet and there was
Speaker 2: a woman in his office. That was a different breach
Speaker 2: of trust. There we're talking about a different situation. And
Speaker 2: trust me, there was a conversation had somewhere. Is there
Speaker 2: any way we can keep this guy? And so yes,
Speaker 2: it has to rise to a left. Think about the
Speaker 2: successful coaches Robes who have gotten fired.
Speaker 4: You're laughing right now.
Speaker 5: It's come on.
Speaker 4: I mean Sharon Moore would be the only one I
Speaker 4: can think of Robes.
Speaker 1: And you remember how crazy that situation was.
Speaker 4: It was pretty intense.
Speaker 1: Oh it was Oh.
Speaker 2: That they didn't have a choice. But no, and I
Speaker 2: still stand by at Robes. This is just their business.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It's their business. It's gotten out publicly. If they feel
Speaker 2: they need to say something, knock yourselves out. He's a
Speaker 2: football coach.
Speaker 4: All right. So this is going to be put to bed.
Speaker 2: Now, it really will. And to Vrabel is something you
Speaker 2: mentioned about. Yeah, he just looks kind of non shell.
Speaker 2: That's his demeanor. Like he didn't look any different yesterday
Speaker 2: than he does in most press conferences. He just has
Speaker 2: that kind of demeanor. He's not really an animated guy.
Speaker 1: So there it is. And look you think about his family.
Speaker 2: Her family, got kids involved, their communities involved, their kids
Speaker 2: going to school and parent teacher conference in the people.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying all that stuff. These families are going
Speaker 2: through something right now that deserves more than a lot
Speaker 2: of your comments. A lot of stuff that's coming at
Speaker 2: them and people making jokes and whatever, and You could
Speaker 2: say they put themselves in that position roles, but there
Speaker 2: is there are two groups of folks, families going.
Speaker 1: Through right now.
Speaker 3: There's a human price that they're paying. Even if it
Speaker 3: isn't public. For Mike Rabel, certainly privately he is. He's
Speaker 3: going through something, whether he shows it or not. Out
Speaker 3: of press conference.
Speaker 2: This has been interesting to talk this out. I'm glad
Speaker 2: we didn't talk ahead of time because every time you
Speaker 2: had a response, you look at me as that okay, sports,
Speaker 2: I forgot this is sports.
Speaker 3: It's a different world and it really is a different
Speaker 3: a different set of rules, truly, all right without everyone.
Speaker 4: We always appreciate you listening to us. I may be
Speaker 4: a roboch alongside t. J. Holmes. We will talk to
Speaker 4: you soon.