Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman.
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Speaker 3: of coonskin hat.
Speaker 1: Today.
Speaker 2: Last render that we talked about, Crockett, I had everybody
Speaker 2: wear a coonskin hat. Would anybody like to wear a
Speaker 2: coonskin hat?
Speaker 4: I was actually going to bring my own. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: but I didn't, you know, I didn't know the quality
Speaker 4: of y'all's hats.
Speaker 3: Oh well, mediocre at mediocre at this.
Speaker 4: I just I didn't want to be outmatched on coonskin.
Speaker 3: Yes, the guy who made those coonskin hats could not
Speaker 3: be trusted. So I hear, I hear rumored that he's
Speaker 3: got four more that he's been making for about six months.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do something with these hats at some point.
Speaker 2: And hey, speaking of coon hides. Last night, two nights ago,
Speaker 2: I had two dogs. I had so I have a
Speaker 2: squirrel dog. That runs loose all the time. Tim he
Speaker 2: is the most responsive dog to human mind, will and
Speaker 2: emotion that.
Speaker 1: I've ever been around.
Speaker 2: Like you can be like thinking something and kind of
Speaker 2: glance over to it, and he'll be like, oh, we're
Speaker 2: talking about that. Like he's just he's hyperune. He's hyper
Speaker 2: in tune, like ridiculously intune. So he runs around and
Speaker 2: he's normal. My my really good squirrel dog is so good.
Speaker 2: I can't let her run loose because she'll just hunt
Speaker 2: herself to death or end up, you know, running off.
Speaker 5: She gets treated on things for hours at a time
Speaker 5: every time she's off.
Speaker 2: So a few days ago I turned her loose just
Speaker 2: to let her run. In the summer, I just let
Speaker 2: her run. And I like to keep my neighbors in check.
Speaker 2: I like for dogs to just be treed for hours,
Speaker 2: just like close to the house, just to let people
Speaker 2: know that this is not suburbia.
Speaker 6: Just when they when you think they're gonna start showing up.
Speaker 2: To right when they think they're gonna start paving the
Speaker 2: road and putting in nice four hundred thousand dollars houses
Speaker 2: and stuff. I want people to come down here and
Speaker 2: try to buy land, to be like man there's some hillbilly.
Speaker 4: Have you ever had one of your dog's tree to
Speaker 4: squirrel down here at the marina, like two hundred yards
Speaker 4: down the road to see, yes, where the sailboat is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's why we like to keep this place
Speaker 2: I've got. We've got some boats on our road far
Speaker 2: far from any river systems or lakes.
Speaker 4: R that's when you know you're living right.
Speaker 2: So I had Tests running loose, and she's my good
Speaker 2: squirrel dog, and about thirty minutes before dark, two nights ago,
Speaker 2: I hear both of them just on a hot track
Speaker 2: and get treed, and they're up here in what I
Speaker 2: call the possum funnel I've got on this land that
Speaker 2: I've got here, which isn't a big piece of land.
Speaker 2: Those dogs tree possums in like one spot and there's
Speaker 2: no rhyme or reason.
Speaker 1: There's no big den trees.
Speaker 2: But if they get treed and it's on a possum,
Speaker 2: which they treat a lot of possums, they'll tree within
Speaker 2: a fifty yard radius. I don't understand why they always
Speaker 2: treat there. But Tim was treed hard. Tests was right there.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just beautiful tree and I was
Speaker 2: busy and just didn't even bother with them at least
Speaker 2: an hour and a half, and I'm being conservative, it
Speaker 2: was probably closer to two hour. I mean it was
Speaker 2: when I wanted to go to bed at like closer
Speaker 2: to eleven. They were treated hard, continue to be treated
Speaker 2: heart out there, and I was going to bed, and
Speaker 2: I told Bear John my Son, I said, how about
Speaker 2: you go feed those dogs and go shoot that possum
Speaker 2: out of the tree that they got treed. And he said, Dad,
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in shoot. And so I went out
Speaker 2: to my truck and got my deet because man, if
Speaker 2: you walk in these woods right now, you will be
Speaker 2: covered in ticks, yep and chiggers. And so I went
Speaker 2: out to the truck and sprayed down with deep This
Speaker 2: is like right before I'm going to bed, and I
Speaker 2: just am trying to retrieve my dogs. Take my twenty
Speaker 2: two because right now in Arkansas it's war on varmints, yep,
Speaker 2: trying to save turkey poles and chickens.
Speaker 1: Now we've had a serious.
Speaker 2: Predation to spring on our trees. And I go out
Speaker 2: there and Tim and Tress are just treed hard, and
Speaker 2: Tim is extra pumped, and I shine up in this
Speaker 2: incredibly bushy tree. I didn't think I was going to
Speaker 2: see it, Brent, And sure enough there's a coon there,
Speaker 2: which is the first time they treat a coon TI
Speaker 2: squirrel dog. He is, he should be Tim the possum dog.
Speaker 2: He loves possums more than anything. You can hear it
Speaker 2: in his voice when he trees.
Speaker 1: The possums.
Speaker 2: Squirrels are a distant second, pack rats are third, and
Speaker 2: number four is a coon. And anyway, speaking of coonskin hats,
Speaker 2: and I shot that coon out.
Speaker 5: Well, I think there's another angle to this story. We're
Speaker 5: sitting inside and Bear really wants to start a business,
Speaker 5: and he and I are talking official business. We're talking
Speaker 5: about paperwork and what taxes would look like and all
Speaker 5: this kind of stuff, and we're having this real, in
Speaker 5: depth conversation. We're on computers, googling on the couch and
Speaker 5: Clay walks in with a coon in his hands, a
Speaker 5: dead coon in the dogs, and we look up and
Speaker 5: I don't even I don't even pause. It's like, ye,
Speaker 5: Clay's got a coon in the house again. It took
Speaker 5: me a couple of take before I realized, Shoot, you've
Speaker 5: got a live coon in our house.
Speaker 7: Are dead. It was dead by those dead and the dogs.
Speaker 5: He wanted to get a picture with him and the
Speaker 5: dogs just ridiculous.
Speaker 7: You could tell they're pre pumped up.
Speaker 8: Here's something I'm taking from this. I don't I don't
Speaker 8: know if y'all anybody else here. When he first he
Speaker 8: said bear John, go out there and kill that kill
Speaker 8: that possum.
Speaker 6: He says, I have no interest in it. Had he
Speaker 6: told me that and I was talking to my mom
Speaker 6: about accounting, I.
Speaker 8: Would like to say him went through the wall.
Speaker 3: Not Baron newkem Man, that guy.
Speaker 6: So I'm telling you this.
Speaker 3: He put hard sell on me this week for some
Speaker 3: stuff too. So I mean he's he's business in it
Speaker 3: to win it right now.
Speaker 6: That's that's good stuff right there. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we have a we have a We've got
Speaker 2: some regulars on the podcast, but we have Joe is
Speaker 2: not really an irregular.
Speaker 1: Joe's been.
Speaker 3: To be determined.
Speaker 1: Is I've known Joe for many years?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, And Joe was on the Bear Hunting Magazine
Speaker 2: pop podcast way back o g Yeah and uh and
Speaker 2: Joe was on the Arkansas Image podcast that I did.
Speaker 2: If you remember when I went to the Walton the
Speaker 2: old Walton five and dime and then we went into
Speaker 2: the Walmart Museum with the hologram. Joe was kind of
Speaker 2: my guide there. So you've heard Joe's voice if you're
Speaker 2: paying attention.
Speaker 7: He's been on the Bease more than Josh has.
Speaker 8: I was just going to say he was on the
Speaker 8: original Bear Grease and you never were, were.
Speaker 1: You, Josh?
Speaker 3: I've never been on Bear Grease. I was on the
Speaker 3: Bear Hunting Magazine podcast mainly because it'd be like, I
Speaker 3: don't have any other content spillmaker.
Speaker 2: Here, Joe, how do you how do you introduce yourself
Speaker 2: to people? If you if you have the open mic?
Speaker 4: Well, if I had an open mic, I'd introduced myself
Speaker 4: as a father of two, a husband of one. I've
Speaker 4: got two dogs right now. It's driving me crazy. I
Speaker 4: just got a new puppy a week ago, so I'm
Speaker 4: I'm the little bloodshot in the eye. But what was
Speaker 4: the saying that Dave Crockett said?
Speaker 1: He said that he about an accident.
Speaker 4: No about his Yeah, about the accident.
Speaker 2: Well, he just said that his fame came on him
Speaker 2: completely by accident.
Speaker 4: And so my fame has come on me completely by accident. So, uh,
Speaker 4: you know McLay knows this story, and I doubt the
Speaker 4: listeners do. But I throw the World Champion Squirrel Cookoff
Speaker 4: here in northwest Arkansas, and it come to me straight
Speaker 4: up by accident.
Speaker 2: Hey, we got it, Okay, listeners out there, he just
Speaker 2: dropped the bomb. Joe is the founder of the one
Speaker 2: and only World Championship.
Speaker 4: Squirrel Cookoff, and it come to me by accident.
Speaker 1: Tell me tell me that.
Speaker 4: So I was working in downtown Bentonville, and uh, for
Speaker 4: the listeners who aren't aware of what that could be like,
Speaker 4: it's it's kind of like a Norman Rockwell painting. It's uh,
Speaker 4: brick buildings, old buildings. It's where the retail giant started
Speaker 4: of Walmart. And I become sociable with a lot of
Speaker 4: people walking by, and the lady who's in charge of
Speaker 4: downtown Bentonville cornered me one day and she said that
Speaker 4: Andrew Zimmern from Bizarre Foods had contacted them and they
Speaker 4: wanted to do the Ozark condition. And I was the
Speaker 4: guy that they wanted me to fix this deal. And
Speaker 4: so this is a week after our football coach Bobby
Speaker 4: or Bobby Patrina. Bobby Patrina had had a little accident.
Speaker 6: Heard around the world exactly.
Speaker 4: He had had a little accident, and so they do.
Speaker 4: So they started questioning me on things they wanted to see.
Speaker 4: And they wanted to see a rabbit hunt and I
Speaker 4: said I can do that. And they wanted to do
Speaker 4: a bear hunt, and I said, I know some people
Speaker 4: and Clay was part of that. And uh wanted a
Speaker 4: gig for suckers in the river. I said, I got
Speaker 4: that covered, and they said, we want to do a
Speaker 4: crow hunt because our research shows that people in Arkansas
Speaker 4: eat crow. Now, now, mind you, this is a week
Speaker 4: after our football coach had had some sort of accident.
Speaker 4: And I said, ma'am, you're mistaken. I said, we really
Speaker 4: don't eat a lot of crow. Matter of fact, we
Speaker 4: don't eat any And she said, no, sir, our research
Speaker 4: says that people in Arkansas eat crow. And I said, well,
Speaker 4: I've cooked crow before and we ate it. But we'd
Speaker 4: been drinking and people said that it tasted pretty good,
Speaker 4: so we could cook crow. And they said, what about squirrel.
Speaker 4: Do you do squirrel? Oh yes, ma'am, I said, matter
Speaker 4: of fact, we cook the world champion squirrel. And she says,
Speaker 4: how do you know, And I said, because we throw
Speaker 4: the World championship. She said when is it? I said,
Speaker 4: when y'all coming? He didn't.
Speaker 1: Is that when it started?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, she said like August eleventh, And I said
Speaker 4: you know what and she said, no kidding. I said, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's when it is. And so as soon as I
Speaker 4: got off the phone, I started scrambling.
Speaker 1: And what was the date? Approximately?
Speaker 4: It was in August of two thousand.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that she was called in August she called, Oh,
Speaker 2: she called, it's probably June.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of months.
Speaker 6: I still hadn't no time, man.
Speaker 4: So I scrambled, got on the phone and I called people,
Speaker 4: and I had teams from seven states show up, and
Speaker 4: we had twenty fourteens. And at that time I thought
Speaker 4: to have a judge at a squirrel cookoff, they needed
Speaker 4: to be certified by like the governor. So I had
Speaker 4: a district judge judge. I had real judges, so that
Speaker 4: way I knew it was fair. And uh. Plus, I
Speaker 4: had a fat used car salesman because I have that
Speaker 4: man d squirrel. And I had a James Beard Award
Speaker 4: winning chef. And so the first year we did the
Speaker 4: squirrel cookoff, we had as random of things as you
Speaker 4: could imagine, you know. We of course we had fried
Speaker 4: squirrel and we had gumbo and some gravy. But that's
Speaker 4: when we started having the squirrel pizza and the squirrel
Speaker 4: fried rice and things like that. So that show aired,
Speaker 4: I want to say, in one hundred and twenty countries
Speaker 4: across the world and.
Speaker 2: Andrew Zimmern's Bizarre food That would have been twenty fourteen.
Speaker 4: Uh no, it was. It was twenty ten, Was it really? Yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah it was twenty ten. Yeah, because you were on it. Yeah, yeah, crack.
Speaker 2: It was Andrew Zimmern's Bizarre Foods. And uh, let me
Speaker 2: tell my let me tell my side of that one.
Speaker 1: Just real quick. I had it.
Speaker 2: I had those people called me andrews Zimmerns p will
Speaker 2: call me, and it's just I don't have any exposure
Speaker 2: to media at all during that time, and they say, hey,
Speaker 2: we want to do a show I'd never heard of.
Speaker 2: We didn't watch TV, I didn't have I never heard
Speaker 2: of Andrew Zimmern. And this person says, we want to
Speaker 2: come to Arkansas and we would like for you to kill.
Speaker 1: A bear on October first.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, now, what do you mean you need it?
Speaker 2: On October first, and she's like, well, that's when my
Speaker 2: crew will be in Arkansas and we need you to
Speaker 2: kill a bear. And I was like, ma'am, I can't
Speaker 2: guarantee that we can have a bear that day, but
Speaker 2: I remember very vividly what I said to him. I said,
Speaker 2: now tell me about this Andrew Zimmern in this show.
Speaker 2: I said, because if you're looking for a bunch of
Speaker 2: hillbillies to make fun of, you got the wrong guy.
Speaker 2: Like I was like, I came in pretty hard. I
Speaker 2: was super suspicious.
Speaker 1: And then the woman was like, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Andrew is so respectful of people's culture.
Speaker 2: And then as I did, like I watched the show,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this guy's oh cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that that was well.
Speaker 2: And then the short version of our bear hunt was
Speaker 2: I just sent out like an APB to all my
Speaker 2: buddies and I said, hey, if you kill a bear
Speaker 2: on October first, call me, because that was close to
Speaker 2: the opening day of season, maybe even the opening day
Speaker 2: of season. And one of my good buddies, Trey Clark,
Speaker 2: killed a bear on October first, and I called andrews
Speaker 2: Zimmern's people, and they like made a bee line from
Speaker 2: northwest Arkansas down to where we were hunting, big huge
Speaker 2: film crews and they filmed us do everything in the world.
Speaker 2: We made bear crack onside of that bear. But this
Speaker 2: goes on the same show that the World Championship Squirrel
Speaker 2: Cookoff is on.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, you know another part of that is when it
Speaker 4: come down to the crow part, I had to fill
Speaker 4: this slot. And so I was friends with Phillips Spears,
Speaker 4: and Phillis Spears did Arkansas outdoors, cooking in the Dutch oven. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she'd cooked everything with a face, you know. And so
Speaker 4: I called Phyllis and I at Phyllis, I'm in a bind.
Speaker 4: I got I got to do some crow hunting and
Speaker 4: had to cook a crow. And being the sweetheart that
Speaker 4: she is, she says, Honey, do I need to bring
Speaker 4: my own crow? And I said it probably wanted her Phillis.
Speaker 4: So we go right down the road from us, and
Speaker 4: we shot crows. We really never hunted crows. We shot some,
Speaker 4: you know, And so we get out there and we
Speaker 4: got a crow call, and we're calling and calling and
Speaker 4: that spy crow comes.
Speaker 3: You know, it's really good at a crow called Scout.
Speaker 3: You know, who I've heard is really good at a crow,
Speaker 3: calls Steve, he's an ace.
Speaker 4: I want to do more crow hunting. But so that
Speaker 4: old scout comes flying over and one of my guys
Speaker 4: is a little loose, and so he started letting it
Speaker 4: fly at the scout. So that meant there's no more crows.
Speaker 4: So that producer, I bet you remember him, is uh real, slimy, greasy, long,
Speaker 4: long black, kind of smoking a big cigar.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, he filmed comb Over the movie. He traveled the
Speaker 4: country looking for the comb over capital of the world.
Speaker 4: Actually interviewed Donald Trump long before he was president. So
Speaker 4: he says, what do we got to do to get
Speaker 4: these crows? I said, man, we got to load up
Speaker 4: and go to the store. So we went to the
Speaker 4: largest outdoor provider down in Rogers and walked in there
Speaker 4: with three shopping carts and we bought bull blinds. We
Speaker 4: bought electric collars, a fishing pole just in case we
Speaker 4: needed it, all new camouflage, and some camping gear because
Speaker 4: they were fitting the bill, plus some decoys. And we
Speaker 4: showed up and could not get a crow. But Phillis
Speaker 4: had a stunt crow in the back of the truck,
Speaker 4: and we launched that thing up and filmed some good
Speaker 4: b roll a couple times and.
Speaker 1: What do you means shut a stunt crow?
Speaker 4: She brought three processed crows and three fully feathered crows
Speaker 4: in the back of her big dodge drug like not
Speaker 4: a lot. No, no, it didn't know that it was
Speaker 4: part of the show. Okay, okay, but uh so, phillis Hollywood.
Speaker 4: Phillis made for the listeners who've never ate crow. I
Speaker 4: want to turn your nose to it because a crow,
Speaker 4: their legs are the lighter color meat and their breast
Speaker 4: is the dark color meat. And I don't know what
Speaker 4: a Kansas crow or South Dakota crow is, but an
Speaker 4: Ozark crow eats a lot of dead armadillas on the
Speaker 4: side of the road, right yeah. And she made a
Speaker 4: shepherd's pie, and then she made these little cuts of
Speaker 4: crow breast which she had marinated, and they tasted more
Speaker 4: like beef than beef does. Now, I've ate pretty near
Speaker 4: any animal I've ever seen, and I enjoy it. But
Speaker 4: my nemesis would be sweet potatoes. I can't stomach them all.
Speaker 1: Kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: I couldn't stomach a sweet potato. And she made that
Speaker 4: shepherd's pie and I had to dig through the sweet
Speaker 4: potatoes to get to that crow meat, but to put
Speaker 4: icing on top of this cake. Here, crow meat is
Speaker 4: worth to eat. It's it's good stuff. So that show
Speaker 4: aired in one hundred and twenty countries, and just like
Speaker 4: your son, I thought I could make a dollar off
Speaker 4: this deal. So I decided I was going to sell
Speaker 4: Squirrel Cookoff T shirts and they were twenty bucks apiece,
Speaker 4: and come to find out, the shipping to Australia's more
Speaker 4: than twenty bucks. So I lost at that deal.
Speaker 1: A lot of overseas orders.
Speaker 4: Well, typically the orders would come in about two o'clock
Speaker 4: in the morning and they were always for four xes.
Speaker 4: I think when that show aired in the middle of
Speaker 4: the night, there was some chubby guy eating Cheetos. He
Speaker 4: was wanting a T shirt. So, since it was so famous,
Speaker 4: the next year we got the front page of the
Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal, and the Wall Street Journal come to Bentonville.
Speaker 4: The mayor wasn't happy. He thought he thought the Wall
Speaker 4: Street Journal was going to run us through the mud.
Speaker 4: He said they were in the East Coast bias deal
Speaker 4: and they were going to put that h'll billy element
Speaker 4: on the deal. And I asked the mayor who he
Speaker 4: was most scared of was it the Wall Street Journal
Speaker 4: or me? And he said, you just don't want them here.
Speaker 4: He said, they've spent a lot of money making this
Speaker 4: town what it is, and we don't need that reputation.
Speaker 4: And I told him the last time that the Wall
Speaker 4: Street Journal had come to our town, there was a
Speaker 4: guy named Sam Walton who received the Medal of Freedom
Speaker 4: from a guy named George Bush, who had a son
Speaker 4: named George Bush. And if it took a redneck and
Speaker 4: squirrels to get us back on the front page of
Speaker 4: the Wall Street Journal, somebody wasn't doing their job. And
Speaker 4: so we carried it on man. And we've we've done
Speaker 4: it for a reason that's more than humor. We've we
Speaker 4: wanted to show the world that we could take smallest
Speaker 4: a game and turn it into the biggest of meals
Speaker 4: and some of the things. Clay, you've been there a
Speaker 4: couple times. The biggest thing to me has been to
Speaker 4: send the diversity of human beings that will show up
Speaker 4: to cook squirrel. Everybody thinks it's guys like us. Now
Speaker 4: there's hippies, there's five Star chefs, there's old people and
Speaker 4: kids and people of every color and crete all show
Speaker 4: up to cook squirrel and and sometimes the people that
Speaker 4: do the best are the people who have never even
Speaker 4: cooked a squirrel before. And so that's been the highlight
Speaker 4: of the thing, first and foremost, getting people back outdoors
Speaker 4: to hunt small game. That's how we learned the old
Speaker 4: am small miss small thing takes place in the woods
Speaker 4: chasing squirrels and rabbits, and over the years we've put
Speaker 4: a lot of people back in the woods. We may
Speaker 4: have caused some lime disease because it is a tigger
Speaker 4: and tick prone prone sport, but we've had a lot
Speaker 4: of good times, man.
Speaker 2: And so it's been going on now for fourteen years
Speaker 2: minus COVID.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we missed two years of COVID and one year
Speaker 4: from me being lazy, and but we're coming back and
Speaker 4: this year September twenty third, we'll be in Springdale, Arkansas.
Speaker 4: It'll be our first time in Springdale, Arkansas. Game and
Speaker 4: Fish has a beautiful new facility there and they're trying
Speaker 4: to get people to come to it. And once again,
Speaker 4: the squirrel's going to save the day.
Speaker 3: Just right down the road for me.
Speaker 2: So let's stop right there September twenty third, which is
Speaker 2: a Saturday, Yes, sir twenty twenty three. Yes, Springdale, Arkansas.
Speaker 2: And what's the name of that facility. I've been there
Speaker 2: shooting back.
Speaker 4: We'll have to add that in later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and John L. Let Me Center Nature Center.
Speaker 2: Very very it's like awesome, multi gazillion dollar outdoor facility.
Speaker 4: That was built to rehabitat the quail. Okay, that's I
Speaker 4: mean it. They really thrive on Quell habitat and all
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 1: What's the name of it, A G F C.
Speaker 7: JB. And John L. Hunt Family Ozark Highland's Nature Center.
Speaker 4: It's just a little word.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's awesome booth to be He'll be
Speaker 2: upset that we didn't get it on the first try, sorry, Austin.
Speaker 1: But it's an incredible it is incredible.
Speaker 2: They have an outdoor three D archery ranging just walk up,
Speaker 2: shoot your bows, big facility.
Speaker 4: They have an indoor pellet and BB rifle shooting range
Speaker 4: as well for the kids and and so our goal
Speaker 4: this year is to bring the kids really into it.
Speaker 4: So we're going to have in the morning, we're going
Speaker 4: to do a pellet rifle shoot indoors. Don't be mistaken
Speaker 4: that we're just a squirrel eating competition. Here. We also
Speaker 4: have the world champion squirrel cleaning.
Speaker 1: Competition on some of that.
Speaker 4: The raining champion is Clifton Jackson of Arkansas, who has
Speaker 4: the most expensive squirrel rifle you can buy, is named
Speaker 4: the Jackson squirrel Rifle and it's named after Clifton.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: He's been in charge of small game for several years
Speaker 4: here in the state of Arkansas.
Speaker 1: How fast can you clean a squirrel?
Speaker 4: Well, this isn't the squirrel like your dog's been treeing
Speaker 4: out here. This is a squirrel that's been inside my
Speaker 4: freezer for a long time, and so it's semi thawed squirrel.
Speaker 6: Yea.
Speaker 4: And we give you a knife, and we've had people
Speaker 4: assist by using their teeth whatever it takes to get
Speaker 4: through this deal. I can't tell you how fast he was.
Speaker 4: The fast you let me.
Speaker 2: Ask you this. Do you have to use a knife?
Speaker 2: Could I bring another implement? You could competition?
Speaker 4: You could. The rules on this deal is hopefully you
Speaker 4: bring your own knife and hopefully you bring your own
Speaker 4: glove to keep you from cutting the finger off of
Speaker 4: because I don't want to be responsible for that. So
Speaker 4: we've got that event and.
Speaker 1: Because I don't use a knife.
Speaker 7: He's very competitive.
Speaker 4: I could see it bowling out right now.
Speaker 3: Mine.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying I'm the fastest in the world.
Speaker 7: He has competed.
Speaker 1: I'd be right on. I'd be hot on.
Speaker 8: That guy looks a whole lot like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: Exactly what do you know.
Speaker 4: I've been listening to this show since it started, and
Speaker 4: that's probably the least humble I've ever heard.
Speaker 7: When he was run in the back kind of yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, there's just some things that avout confidence.
Speaker 4: So the other event is the World's Hottest Squirrel wing
Speaker 4: eating Competition.
Speaker 1: Taste.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this is, yeah, pepper hot. This is We
Speaker 4: take the hind quarters of the squirrel and bread them
Speaker 4: up deep fry and then we pour molten lava of
Speaker 4: some Carolina reaper and whatever else somebody grew in their
Speaker 4: guard set. Yeah, and uh, that's a hilarious event to
Speaker 4: sit there and watch. So we'll have live music.
Speaker 2: Let me describe and you can fill it in. But
Speaker 2: like when I've been there before, it wasn't at this venue.
Speaker 2: But if you have a team, which you could, anybody
Speaker 2: could have a team, you bet so, So if you're
Speaker 2: from wherever you're from, how do they how would they register?
Speaker 4: So about the time this show airs on our Facebook
Speaker 4: page World champions Squirrel Cookoff Facebook page, there will be
Speaker 4: the registry information and we are going to limit it
Speaker 4: to forty teams. Real well, it's tortuous to our to
Speaker 4: our judges and forty because.
Speaker 1: So only forty teams can compete only forty sure they vetted?
Speaker 1: Are they vetted? Or is just like first come.
Speaker 4: First come, first serving? And Misty, I know you're a
Speaker 4: heck of a cook, right you.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I ad some slight average, some strawberry kicks you move,
Speaker 4: and if you added a little squirrel to that, you
Speaker 4: might have a fighting chance of winning a squirrel Currently,
Speaker 4: how many world championships do you hold?
Speaker 7: You know, I don't think I hold a world championship
Speaker 7: in anything.
Speaker 4: There would be nothing prouder that'd make a Humble Clay
Speaker 4: if he was to introduce as So, our event is
Speaker 4: set up to where you got to do a entree
Speaker 4: and a side dish. Okay, and eighty percent of the
Speaker 4: meat used inside of your squirrel entree has to be squirrel.
Speaker 4: So that's not eighty percent of your overall dish, that's
Speaker 4: eighty percent of the week.
Speaker 7: Did you say that loud?
Speaker 6: Here?
Speaker 3: We go.
Speaker 1: Hey, the dishes that they have will blow your mind.
Speaker 4: Squirrel jello, I mean, oh with grapes in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I was.
Speaker 2: I was gonna describe you would you would come to
Speaker 2: this event, and there would be if you have a team,
Speaker 2: if you're one of the forty teams, you would have
Speaker 2: a booth, ye, and there would be time frames during
Speaker 2: the day when you had to have meals cooked. But
Speaker 2: you also cook kind of for the public for whatever
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't necessarily have to be squirrel. If
Speaker 4: you've got to get porcupine recipe, you're more than welcome.
Speaker 2: And people are just kind of wandering around talking to
Speaker 2: the show. It's always real fun to just go around
Speaker 2: and just ask like what are you cooking? And you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people I've never seen more squirrel costumes
Speaker 2: and like get up from people, just random people, not
Speaker 2: even not even the cooks, just people.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like when Star Wars comes out, it's
Speaker 5: like the hillbilly version.
Speaker 3: Yes, Squirrel, I guess I need to start making some squirrel.
Speaker 1: Hat, squirrels, squirrel costumes.
Speaker 4: Come squirrel.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm so glad I bought instead of rended.
Speaker 4: So Cy right as you're walking around. If you're a
Speaker 4: people watcher, like I know we all are, it is
Speaker 4: the perfect place to pull up a chair and sit
Speaker 4: and stare at what's showed up at this deal. Because
Speaker 4: we've had teams from as far away as the Netherlands.
Speaker 3: Wow, we even have squirrels.
Speaker 4: I'm not real sure I'll come here to cook them,
Speaker 4: but uh, we've had teams from the Netherlands. We've had
Speaker 4: a couple of female bankers from New York City. Oh wow,
Speaker 4: who brought them in? We get West Coast teams. We've
Speaker 4: had teams from Canada. We had a judge from Italy.
Speaker 4: It's really come to do this. And so why I'm
Speaker 4: saying this is this ain't no joke. This is the
Speaker 4: real deal. When we crown you as a world champion.
Speaker 6: You're the world tenter.
Speaker 4: You should never serve that squirrel on a paper plate.
Speaker 6: Again, That's what I'm talking.
Speaker 4: It's fine China. So you're doing an entree in a
Speaker 4: side dish, and your side dish should pair with your
Speaker 4: entree and a.
Speaker 3: Couple of what variety of wine goes best with it.
Speaker 4: It matters how you cook the squirrel. I mean, got
Speaker 4: a start, but we had up until a couple of
Speaker 4: years ago. It was kind of blind. I give you
Speaker 4: a styrophoam box. You put your groceries in there, it
Speaker 4: turn it into the judges. And then I'd open up
Speaker 4: the box and give them to the judges and they'd say,
Speaker 4: what is this. I'd say, I have no idea squirrel,
Speaker 4: and uh so, now we give the teams the opportunity
Speaker 4: they put a three by five card inside that box
Speaker 4: and it'll describe what dish they've turned in, because if
Speaker 4: you know what it's supposed to be, it'll kind of
Speaker 4: taste like that, right, right. And how many judges are there,
Speaker 4: So we'll have twelve judges swell, six on one side,
Speaker 4: six on the other each judge. You know, we have
Speaker 4: an odd set of judges in an even set. So
Speaker 4: depending on what your turn in token says, if you're
Speaker 4: number two, you go on the right side. If you're
Speaker 4: number one, you go on the left because it is
Speaker 4: torture man. When you've got twenty dishes, that's an entree
Speaker 4: in a side, and there's a chance you'll have a
Speaker 4: number eight shot in any of that.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Know, you got an orthodontist on the tumba, and so
Speaker 4: it's it's a workout to eat it, and as a judge,
Speaker 4: you sign up to eat everything we throw in front
Speaker 4: of you and judge it fairly. So most cooking competitions,
Speaker 4: if it's chili or brisket or steaks or whatever you're doing,
Speaker 4: everybody's in the same realm. So it's real easy to
Speaker 4: pick the best brisket from that day. This everything's different,
Speaker 4: So we judge you on your own merit. If you
Speaker 4: make a squirrel meat loaf, well, we're judging on what
Speaker 4: we want as our best meat loaf, and how close
Speaker 4: you come to that moral.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, don't make squirrel meat looaf for the
Speaker 5: Champion Chip cook Coffee.
Speaker 7: You're not gonna win that thing.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, squirrel squirrel meatballs placed really well in
Speaker 4: the ask.
Speaker 2: Can you give us a couple of examples of stuff
Speaker 2: that's one? I mean, it's it's stuff that you just
Speaker 2: would never dream of.
Speaker 4: Oh man, Uh, we've had Mexican dishes do really well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll just put it to you that way. We've had
Speaker 4: a lot of Mexican dishes work out. We've had a
Speaker 4: lot of Italian dishes work out really well.
Speaker 7: So squirrel. Squirrel does well with tomato.
Speaker 4: Well, squirrel is the tofu of the woods, so it'll
Speaker 4: gather whatever flavor profile you throw at it.
Speaker 1: And I can.
Speaker 2: When I was there, and I'm trying to remember, but
Speaker 2: there was one there was one group that their whole
Speaker 2: thing was to make a Chick fil A sandwich.
Speaker 4: I disqualified them. Really yeah, why, well, because our rules
Speaker 4: are simple. One hundred percent of the preparation of this
Speaker 4: dish has take place on site and there's no marination.
Speaker 4: There's no prep work done. And to make that Chick
Speaker 4: fil A sandwich, that means you had to marinate it
Speaker 4: in pickle juice. That's the secret to the Chick fil
Speaker 4: a chicken is the pickle juice.
Speaker 2: Well, the just as an example though, even though this
Speaker 2: team got disqualified, I didn't realize that these guys.
Speaker 1: Like their booth looked like a Chick fil A booth.
Speaker 2: I love it, and they and they made on Sundays
Speaker 2: the same little.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was good, you know. They made a little Chick
Speaker 2: fil A deal and that was their thing. There was
Speaker 2: a lot of Asian dishes.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: The b h A guys that I agree got there.
Speaker 1: They they made.
Speaker 2: Like squirrel nachos, and we're feeding them to people all day.
Speaker 3: Is it byo squirrel?
Speaker 4: It is man, That's part of the game. So the
Speaker 4: game is is to get people back in the outdoors,
Speaker 4: and so squirrel is not a commodity we can go
Speaker 4: to the grocery store and purchase. Ironically, I know Steve
Speaker 4: Ranella was just on CBS Sunday Morning and he was
Speaker 4: what the Martha Steward of.
Speaker 7: The Julia Child.
Speaker 4: So I'll throw my humbleness out here. I beat Steve
Speaker 4: Vanella onto CBS Sunday Morning. I was on it years
Speaker 4: before he was, and I was the first guy. You know,
Speaker 4: at the end of CBS Sunday Morning, there's a majestic
Speaker 4: scene of like a moose blowing steam out of its
Speaker 4: nostrils or an old blue herring just tiptoeing through the water.
Speaker 4: They got me to be the first guy to shoot
Speaker 4: at something. And so I'm sitting on Spavanack Creek on
Speaker 4: a lawn chair, and about three feet from me is
Speaker 4: this dude from Seattle, Washington, and they brought their little
Speaker 4: goon with them who was from Manhattan, not Kansas. And
Speaker 4: the little guy's writing on a card, handing it to
Speaker 4: the guy to ask me the questions. And they're trying
Speaker 4: to burn down my house, I could promise. As we're
Speaker 4: sitting there there, they're trying to get people.
Speaker 1: What are they interviewing you about the check?
Speaker 6: The squirrel cooking?
Speaker 4: Why we would kill something if we could go to
Speaker 4: the grocery store and just buy it, and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: your standard questions that come to a hunter from somebody
Speaker 4: who's not a hunter. And one of the questions was,
Speaker 4: surely you eat fast food? And I said, yes, sir man,
Speaker 4: I said, an antelope will do forty three, you know.
Speaker 4: And so I was one up and them. That was
Speaker 4: the game I was playing. So down the creek about
Speaker 4: one hundred yards walks out this little old gray squirrel
Speaker 4: to take a drink of that cool spring water. And
Speaker 4: the little man from Manhattan, he says, could you shoot
Speaker 4: that squirrel at that distance? I said, oh, yeah, in
Speaker 4: the face. And so I lean up on this tree.
Speaker 4: And I'd been I'd done some TV. I'd done to
Speaker 4: Andrew Zimmerndial. I had never been around a camera like
Speaker 4: these guys camera. I don't know what HD they were,
Speaker 4: but it was more than we got at my house,
Speaker 4: you know, And so they got two cameras in front
Speaker 4: of me, one behind me, that great big umbrella that's lit,
Speaker 4: and they said, whenever you're ready, And so I breathe
Speaker 4: in one paw, I shoot and I've killed hundreds upon
Speaker 4: hundreds of squirrels. I had never killed one like this
Speaker 4: that was ready for TV. As that bullet just barely
Speaker 4: nicked him. He goes and like a three toed sloth,
Speaker 4: this thing is grasping at stones, crawling, playing it up
Speaker 4: for the movies. And the guy says, what are you feeling?
Speaker 4: What's your emotions? I said, I'm pretty upset, he said
Speaker 4: about wounding that animal. Man, I missed it clean. I said,
Speaker 4: I'm upset because I don't get to cook it for you.
Speaker 4: And my mind's just running through on every excuse I
Speaker 4: could come up with, because I thought, the day this airs,
Speaker 4: it's the last day I'm gonna be able to walk
Speaker 4: into my house, you know. And they cut it. They
Speaker 4: cut it out, and the show actually turned out really good.
Speaker 4: So whenever I whenever I heard Steve Rondella was on
Speaker 4: that show, and I thought, yeah, I was on there too,
Speaker 4: They about about burned down my house.
Speaker 2: Man, Well, Brent, can we get a commitment from you
Speaker 2: to be at the World Championship.
Speaker 4: Squirrel cook on, let me do this. I've got seat
Speaker 4: number one over there on the left hand side that
Speaker 4: I'll put you down in the judging spot if you'll
Speaker 4: accept it.
Speaker 6: I'm there, pal, I got you, mark it down.
Speaker 4: This is big game and Fish just auctioned off one
Speaker 4: of these on the foundation deal.
Speaker 1: Oh really a spot as a jezz.
Speaker 4: I think they got like four hundred.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna be a job.
Speaker 6: Gosh, absolutely, I'll be honored.
Speaker 4: To Yeah, man, we'll be honored to have you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know that you come qualified.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I come from a long line of squirrel eaters
Speaker 6: and killers. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so hey expect this. If you're coming from a
Speaker 4: long distance, you should probably look for your hotel room
Speaker 4: because we've got multiple things happening that weekend, and so
Speaker 4: go ahead and get you a hotel. The event starts
Speaker 4: at nine in the morning, should be wrapped up by
Speaker 4: about four thirty, but we'll keep you busy all day
Speaker 4: looking and laughing.
Speaker 1: Does it cost money to get in Clay?
Speaker 4: I would never charge anybody for a good time, and
Speaker 4: so no, it's free.
Speaker 2: That's incredible, that's great, man. Okay, I will most likely
Speaker 2: be there.
Speaker 3: Are we going to have opportunity to eat squirrel just
Speaker 3: as a participant?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So oh go ahead, Oh go ahead, missus.
Speaker 5: How long do they have to prepare it if they
Speaker 5: can't prepare anything off site?
Speaker 4: So what we do is first thing in the morning,
Speaker 4: about eight o'clock, we'll have a meeting of the teams
Speaker 4: and we'll once again go through all the rules and regulations.
Speaker 4: At eight point thirty, I'm going to send my meat
Speaker 4: inspectors around and this is to make sure there's no
Speaker 4: contraband squirrel inside them coolers. You know, don't be fooling
Speaker 4: me with some rabbits. And so also test the meat
Speaker 4: to make sure that it's forty or under, okay, because
Speaker 4: there's a chance you're going to eat it. Now when
Speaker 4: you come and sample something, you're playing this game at
Speaker 4: your own risk. So we inspect. At nine o'clock, the
Speaker 4: team's fired up and they could cook on any heat source.
Speaker 4: So if you want to cook on a coal and stove,
Speaker 4: that's fine. If you want to cook on a ten
Speaker 4: thousand dollars smoker that you won the Texas Brisket Competition
Speaker 4: in you're more than welcome to cook on that. You can.
Speaker 4: You can fry it, you can bake it, you could
Speaker 4: roast it, you name it. We've even had squirrel sushi.
Speaker 4: We've had squirrel ice cream. The desserts are kind of
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 8: The hardest part about smoking a squirrel is keeping him lit'right,
Speaker 8: that's right. You got to bite off the end of
Speaker 8: it first.
Speaker 6: That's it. That's the truth.
Speaker 4: And uh, we hope to have if if anybody's listening
Speaker 4: and they have something, a group or somebody that needs
Speaker 4: a little bit of support, you can contact me and
Speaker 4: maybe we could get your booth set up at that
Speaker 4: deal as well.
Speaker 2: So you'll have some vendors, got to have some yeah,
Speaker 2: local people, vendors and organizations.
Speaker 4: Y'all know, if we lose one generation of hunters where
Speaker 4: we're at as a country, we're in trouble. And so
Speaker 4: y'all show and everybody who does it the right way
Speaker 4: is doing God's work on this deal, because we're just
Speaker 4: a boat. We're inches away from losing our kids in
Speaker 4: the outdoors. And and so if I could help promote
Speaker 4: our youth in the outdoors, if I could help bring
Speaker 4: back an old timer that used to love squirrel hunting,
Speaker 4: if I could get him drug back out in the woods,
Speaker 4: then it's worth it because I could guarantee you, Clay,
Speaker 4: I ain't never made a penny on this deal, and
Speaker 4: I don't want to tell my wife what we haven't
Speaker 4: had because of it. So it's that important. And seeing
Speaker 4: these urban people show up and have their nose pointed
Speaker 4: up in the air when they get there, and by
Speaker 4: the end of it you watch them walking around nibbling
Speaker 4: on a squirrel leg or something. It's it's that's my
Speaker 4: success story.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: I think what you're doing, Joe.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've called you a hero before for putting
Speaker 2: this thing on it.
Speaker 1: I mean I I absolutely love it.
Speaker 4: Just like Dave Crockett. I stepped into this deal by accident,
Speaker 4: but it's given me some opportunities. You know. I was
Speaker 4: telling Brent earlier that I've got a nonprofit organization that
Speaker 4: we travel around the country and we feed firefighters, police officers,
Speaker 4: first responders a Ribby steak dinner. And that's off of bovine,
Speaker 4: that's not off.
Speaker 1: Of a squirrel and squirrel ribbint.
Speaker 4: We've made forty thousand Ribby Steak dinners across the country.
Speaker 6: That's amazing to steaks for sheep.
Speaker 4: Steaks for sheep dogs. And our goal is to show community.
Speaker 4: You could not get along with somebody. There's certain people
Speaker 4: in this country you may not like, but you'll eat
Speaker 4: at their restaurant. Breaking bread is really the secret to
Speaker 4: neighbors and friendships and all that. And we can always
Speaker 4: have a meal and work out our issues. That's whenever
Speaker 4: your guard's down, whenever you're eating especially good food. And
Speaker 4: so six years ago in Dallas, Texas, a bad guy
Speaker 4: showed up. He killed a bunch of police officers. I've
Speaker 4: seen an opportunity for me to slide in there and
Speaker 4: try to make a change, and we've helped people. We'll
Speaker 4: never win the fight. It's impossible to make everybody appreciate
Speaker 4: that we have sheep dogs out there taking care of us.
Speaker 4: People are going to dislike people regardless. But I know
Speaker 4: whenever our team shows up and we put smiles on faces,
Speaker 4: and every time you've spoken to people, whether it be
Speaker 4: at church or on one of your adventures, there'll be
Speaker 4: somebody will call you and say I needed that that day,
Speaker 4: you know. And that's that's my trophy. Is we'll leave
Speaker 4: a community and I'll get a phone call and there'll
Speaker 4: be someone I've known ever met before, say you don't
Speaker 4: know where I was at that day, And when you
Speaker 4: showed up and fed us, it gave me a clear
Speaker 4: view that we're still together as a country. And I'm
Speaker 4: not saying I've saved anybody. I just know that we've
Speaker 4: touched hearts through Rebby steaks, some really good mashed potatoes,
Speaker 4: and some dang good green beans.
Speaker 1: Man, that's incredible steaks, steaks for shooting. Yes, sir, that's
Speaker 1: awesome man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate it. And and you know it's we're
Speaker 4: one hundred percent volunteer organization. I don't know how how
Speaker 4: I have the gas money to show up here today,
Speaker 4: because everything I do is for free, you know. But
Speaker 4: we're born with the with the last name. It's kind
Speaker 4: of our brand. And I've listened to your stories about
Speaker 4: your boy being left out in the woods and and
Speaker 4: all that. Well he's a new com and uh, I've
Speaker 4: got a last name of Wilson. And so I pointed,
Speaker 4: given my kids a solid foundation, a brand name, my
Speaker 4: last name given to my kids should be able to
Speaker 4: give them some opportunity to where people would know Joe
Speaker 4: was a good old boy. So maybe that acron didn't
Speaker 4: fall far from the tree on his son or his daughter.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if this is gonna work or not,
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna give them the easiest path to people
Speaker 4: believing and if they say it, they're gonna do it.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of how I stand on that deal.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Hey tell us about uh and this isn't the sales
Speaker 2: pitch for Joe's spice thing, but it is wilson sauce.
Speaker 2: Tell me about I've got questions. Joe just handed me
Speaker 2: a bottle when I left left him the other day
Speaker 2: and I was like, what is this and he said,
Speaker 2: put it on anything, it'll taste good, and.
Speaker 1: Ma'am, it does. Wilson Shire sauce as a craft Worcestershre sauce.
Speaker 4: See you had a hard time saying it too.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I woke up one morning, same show, CBS Sunday Morning,
Speaker 4: and uh, they had the top five hardest words for
Speaker 4: an American to say. One of them was squirrel and
Speaker 4: I already had that covered. And the other one was
Speaker 4: that Worcestershire, Right, I.
Speaker 1: Really, I thought I said it really pretty good.
Speaker 4: There, Worcestershire and Uh, So I thought, well, maybe I
Speaker 4: could do better. So I read the label on that
Speaker 4: leand parines and I went to three different grocery stores,
Speaker 4: bought some stuff, and it kind of looked like a lab.
Speaker 4: Inside the house, I kicked everybody out and said, leave
Speaker 4: me alone. I'm inventing something. And uh, in my shop,
Speaker 4: I've got a fermentation refrigerator like most of us do.
Speaker 1: And uh.
Speaker 4: I filled a big old jar full of a concoction.
Speaker 4: And about a month I went out there and looked
Speaker 4: at it and didn't look right. Second month, the heck,
Speaker 4: it looked even worse. Third month, it had grown big
Speaker 4: skin over the top and I hit it with a blender,
Speaker 4: took a tablespoon of it, drank it, set in my chair,
Speaker 4: woke up in the morning and I hadn't died. That
Speaker 4: made me hungry, and so I bottled twenty bottles of it.
Speaker 4: I sent it around the country to people that I
Speaker 4: knew would appreciate it. And Mark Lambert, who's a seven
Speaker 4: time world champion of barbecue. I gave him a bottle
Speaker 4: and he won an event with it, and he says,
Speaker 4: I need more. I says, you're in trouble. It takes
Speaker 4: three months to make it, and after about two years
Speaker 4: of him prodding me, we made Wilsonshire a commercial thing
Speaker 4: and we've sold thousands of bottles of it. But you know,
Speaker 4: right here in the state of Arkansas, we've got towns
Speaker 4: and spice and supply and they're out of Melbourne, Arkansas,
Speaker 4: a little small place, and they make all the rest
Speaker 4: of my seasonings. And I brought you all some seasonings
Speaker 4: because if you're going to eat, you might as well
Speaker 4: make it taste good.
Speaker 1: So where can we buy Wilson shug.
Speaker 4: If you could spell it, you could go online and
Speaker 4: just tie it in and you'll find a place.
Speaker 2: Got it, Josh, It's hard to describe. You get a
Speaker 2: bottle of what you realize is Worcestershre sauce, and you're like,
Speaker 2: how often do I use worcesters sauce?
Speaker 3: I use it all the time.
Speaker 6: You drink it to.
Speaker 1: Normal.
Speaker 3: If you want to flavor something, I mean, if you
Speaker 3: want a good you know there's there's what is there five.
Speaker 4: Flavors in there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the the His's the great best way
Speaker 3: to get it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't even make sense because you eat it, you
Speaker 2: drink it, or you put it.
Speaker 1: You don't drink. I drink right out of that little.
Speaker 3: Drink after the show's got like any rabbit bottle that
Speaker 3: he just it's good, it's good.
Speaker 1: Hey, we have we got we got a segue here,
Speaker 1: we got a segue.
Speaker 2: Big sege. That's big, big swing b Bavy Crockett.
Speaker 4: Ready I heard.
Speaker 2: Listen you guys did don't know it, but y'all have
Speaker 2: walked into a trap, every one of you. I feel
Speaker 2: we have a quiz for you. I have a quiz
Speaker 2: for Davy Crockett, episode number two.
Speaker 1: So now ing ding, cue the music.
Speaker 2: We're now on a game show, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: see if y'all actually listened. Every time I tell like
Speaker 2: Josh to come, Brant to come, I'm like, did.
Speaker 1: You listen to podcast? And they're like yeah, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: whatever did? Okay?
Speaker 2: So, uh, I have seven questions. The first person to
Speaker 2: answer correctly gets one point.
Speaker 1: You will be charged with.
Speaker 2: Keeping out blurting it out. Okay, you will be charged
Speaker 2: with keeping your own score. But it would be a
Speaker 2: buddy system. We will be your monitoring you.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: It's gonna start out easy and get progressively harder.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety one, what country rock band released a
Speaker 2: cover Sam Josh Spellmaker? I got an extra point. Let
Speaker 2: me read the full question. In nineteen ninety one, what
Speaker 2: country rock band released a cover of the Ballad of
Speaker 2: Davy Crockett. The correct answer is the Kentucky Headhunters. Josh,
Speaker 2: have you ever heard that?
Speaker 3: It's a great, great version though.
Speaker 1: Did you like it?
Speaker 4: I did like it. Listen you heard it, Joe, Yeah,
Speaker 4: many times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a.
Speaker 5: Bone to pick with you. It is the version, you know.
Speaker 5: I grew up in Hatfield, Arkansas. You know I heard
Speaker 5: that version before and watched the movie the video, Like
Speaker 5: I remember.
Speaker 1: As a kid, all the people with the coonskin.
Speaker 5: There was this channel, like we had five channels in
Speaker 5: Hatfield and then one day all of us got eighteen
Speaker 5: and one of them was more Music, which was this.
Speaker 5: It was this video. It showed music videos. MTV was
Speaker 5: not allowed in Polk County, So that was like my.
Speaker 3: First experience county like it. They wouldn't let it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you couldn't get it there.
Speaker 5: You could not get Eventually people got satellites and you
Speaker 5: could get it on satellite, but you couldn't get it, like,
Speaker 5: it was not allowed.
Speaker 7: So so I hadn't seen music. He was like everybody else.
Speaker 5: And the Kentucky Headhunters came on there, and then that
Speaker 5: guy had my brothers and I when they would come on.
Speaker 5: We loved one of those guys really.
Speaker 6: At Arkansas in Mississippi County.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not surprised, Okay, did y'all like it was
Speaker 2: kind of it was kind of a new trick.
Speaker 1: I did, played the song but then described what was happening.
Speaker 1: Did you like that? What I didn't what I didn't
Speaker 1: put in there.
Speaker 2: Was when the drummer got up from the drum set
Speaker 2: to chase the bear, he actually went and turned on
Speaker 2: this little handmade auto drummer, Like it was a joke,
Speaker 2: like he like jumps up from the drum set, but
Speaker 2: the music's playing, so the music, like the drum keeps
Speaker 2: going and they had to figure out a way.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's funny is when you said that, I thought, well,
Speaker 3: who's drumming?
Speaker 4: You actually thought that?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 1: Okay, So in the music video, there's like.
Speaker 2: A handmade, hand drawn little little box and it says
Speaker 2: it says manual drum and auto drum, and he flicks
Speaker 2: it the auto drum and then jumps out the window
Speaker 2: and chases the bear.
Speaker 6: Okay, I didn't even think anything about that.
Speaker 1: Josh is a deep thinker.
Speaker 6: One of the Elvis.
Speaker 8: Movies, he was singing a song and he wanted the
Speaker 8: Jordanaires to back him up while he's riding this motorcycle
Speaker 8: down the road. They're like, Elvis, you can't have the
Speaker 8: Jordanaires singing. He said, where are we gonna put him?
Speaker 8: He said, I guess the same place where the folks
Speaker 8: have played the music motorcycle?
Speaker 1: All right, question number two, I'm gonna ask.
Speaker 3: I know one of the questions you're going to question.
Speaker 3: I know one of the that's not fair because we're
Speaker 3: all going to answer at the same time if.
Speaker 6: We know it.
Speaker 1: Okay, just answer the question. Okay, what state was David
Speaker 1: You're born in?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: I mean I got the answer. So it was Tennessee
Speaker 4: before it was as it was tied into the North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Okay, does any this.
Speaker 3: Is Franklin Franklin Franklin frank So you were on the
Speaker 3: right track.
Speaker 1: I was trying to question, is yeah, what is now Tennessee?
Speaker 2: But at the time it was considered the state of
Speaker 2: Franklin years which was like four years when there was
Speaker 2: a state named after Benjamin Franklin.
Speaker 1: Well, he after Benjamin Franklin, That's what I think. Is
Speaker 1: there another Franklin in American history?
Speaker 7: Well, I'm sure there's several.
Speaker 3: There's only one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one of the founding fathers. It was rich Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so Franklin.
Speaker 2: Everybody, like even song says born on a mountaintop in Tennessee.
Speaker 2: And the complicated version is, well it actually wasn't Tennessee
Speaker 2: when he was born there. But so did you get
Speaker 2: that right? So you got two right Franklin? Josh, Wow,
Speaker 2: the score is two to zero. Okay, at what age
Speaker 2: did David Crockett's follow John first bomb him out to work?
Speaker 3: You know, I have never thought about that. Had I
Speaker 3: thought about bonding out my kids, I would have gone
Speaker 3: into tons of debt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish you could rent them out to the
Speaker 2: credit card who is will.
Speaker 3: Work anybody under the table. And I should have bonded
Speaker 3: him out years ago.
Speaker 6: You should.
Speaker 2: You should see if you work something that with Visa MasterCards,
Speaker 2: just to have him work directly for them.
Speaker 1: Brent reeves with a correct answer twelve.
Speaker 2: You know what I learned, So a good way to
Speaker 2: approach American history to me just trying to understand what
Speaker 2: was going on is when you're when you're looking into
Speaker 2: this stuff, you just kind of learn about how life
Speaker 2: was by these details that don't seem to make a
Speaker 2: lot of sense or aren't that relevant. But what I
Speaker 2: learned inside of this is that it was extremely common
Speaker 2: for people to bond out their children, like have them
Speaker 2: like go live with people.
Speaker 8: Here was something that I thought was interesting. I thought,
Speaker 8: you know, at twelve years old, now we think about that,
Speaker 8: that is a there's still a child for almost ten
Speaker 8: more year years.
Speaker 6: Really.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but I looked up several different things that I
Speaker 8: that I researched said that the average last ban somebody
Speaker 8: back then was like thirty eight mm hmm. So that's
Speaker 8: really a quarter. Somebody's already lived a quarter of the
Speaker 8: Lafe by the time there's twelve. It's time he got
Speaker 8: up made something of itself.
Speaker 3: I mean people were getting married at thirteen fourteen, yeah, sixteen, Yeah, really.
Speaker 6: I mean I was. But that's really it's kind of
Speaker 6: wild to think about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the score is one to two. Joe and
Speaker 2: Misty or were bringing up the rear, bringing up the rear.
Speaker 5: Okay, I think I should maybe get half points because
Speaker 5: I knew too of the answers.
Speaker 1: Well, this is I think Joe should.
Speaker 5: Get a half point because he had an explanation for
Speaker 5: one of the answers.
Speaker 4: I'll fight my way back, Okay, okay, next round.
Speaker 1: David Crockett.
Speaker 2: Spoke of He said that he had blank number of
Speaker 2: the most vicious bear dogs seven South.
Speaker 1: Seven goes to Joe Wilson.
Speaker 2: He had seven of the most vicious bear dogs in
Speaker 2: the South.
Speaker 1: That's right, and do well, it had to have been.
Speaker 6: For sure.
Speaker 2: They so there's it's complete speculation. Crockett what said that
Speaker 2: he did not like pure breed dogs. He liked a
Speaker 2: mixed a mixed breed dog, which is common still today
Speaker 2: in a lot of places. People like the mixed breed dog.
Speaker 4: One of his dogs wasn't bred with a poodle.
Speaker 1: No, no, it wasn't a crocodoodle. Uh.
Speaker 2: He That is the only indication of the type of
Speaker 2: dogs he had, was he he I love it because
Speaker 2: he said, you know he was he was baying this
Speaker 2: bear at night in the dark, and the only dog
Speaker 2: you could see was this white dog. And I think
Speaker 2: and walker hounds weren't really walker hounds by that time,
Speaker 2: but there were a lot of hounds from Europe coming
Speaker 2: in at that I mean, all of our hounds obviously
Speaker 2: came from Europe, but George Washington was bringing in pure bred,
Speaker 2: purebred hounds. The plots in the seventeen fifties first got here,
Speaker 2: and you know, by the time Crockett was hunting in
Speaker 2: the early eighteen hundreds, the plot breed would have been
Speaker 2: extremely tight there in eastern North Carolina, which that's right
Speaker 2: where Crockett was. I mean, Crockett would have been probably
Speaker 2: within less than one hundred miles of where the plots
Speaker 2: were at that time, so it's you know, it's possible, unlikely.
Speaker 2: He probably had just a mix of black and tan
Speaker 2: and English and running dogs and curves.
Speaker 1: They liked to clip their tails.
Speaker 2: Houndsmen today typically don't clip their dog's tails, especially in
Speaker 2: the East. In the West they do, but Crockett said
Speaker 2: he loved a dog with a clip tail. Later, we're
Speaker 2: gonna see uh in the next episode, we're gonna hear
Speaker 2: about the most famous painting of Crockett, which was done
Speaker 2: in Manhattan, New York, and the painter. Back in those days,
Speaker 2: when you painted someone, you actually just had to stand
Speaker 2: there and they painted you. So it was like a
Speaker 2: daze long thing and uh, he wanted a picture of himself.
Speaker 2: I'm spilling the beans. This is like my favorite part
Speaker 2: of the next episode.
Speaker 4: Are you sure that this is the one where he's
Speaker 4: tipping the hat?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah that one, And I hadn't talked
Speaker 2: about it yet, so good job on that.
Speaker 6: Uh, no extra points. He Uh.
Speaker 2: The guy was just painting some random dogs on there,
Speaker 2: and Crockett was like, no, no, no, no, no, we gotta
Speaker 2: go find some dogs that look no, no, no, this is
Speaker 2: what was. The guy was painting these purebred dogs that
Speaker 2: he had got from somewhere in New York, and Kroca
Speaker 2: was like, nah, we gotta find some dogs that look
Speaker 2: like Tennessee bear dogs. They went to the streets and
Speaker 2: got these mongrel dogs and brought them back in and
Speaker 2: was like, they look like it.
Speaker 1: Yes, here we are.
Speaker 2: Question number four, Phil, This is a fill in the
Speaker 2: blank question. This is a quote from Crockett. He said,
Speaker 2: if a fellow is born to be hung, he will
Speaker 2: never be drowned. And further, if he is born will
Speaker 2: not be blank. Even flower barrels can't make mash of him.
Speaker 1: We read it again.
Speaker 2: If if a fellow is this is one of my
Speaker 2: favorite crown no no, no, Well listen, you're looking for a word,
Speaker 2: but this is one of my favorite Crockett quotes.
Speaker 1: He said, if.
Speaker 2: You're born to be if you're born to be hung,
Speaker 2: you'll never be drowned. I explained that today my son.
Speaker 2: I love that quote. He said, if a fellow is
Speaker 2: born to be hung, he'll never be drowned. And further,
Speaker 2: if he is born for blank, even flower barrels can't.
Speaker 1: Congress, Congress correct this.
Speaker 3: I knew it was in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One. I listened to the podcast once at regular speed
Speaker 3: and a second time at one and a half.
Speaker 7: And a half. I listened at one point two five.
Speaker 3: I can't get I mainly listened to because I like him.
Speaker 2: I think a podcast until they runed if you have
Speaker 2: agree speed you guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah that like this.
Speaker 3: This film has been edited to fit to format your
Speaker 3: screen when.
Speaker 5: They used to Yeah, man, I I actually wish I
Speaker 5: could do that to people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, conversation, yeah Crockett.
Speaker 2: In Crockett's biography, I think it's important to note this,
Speaker 2: so Daniel Boone, I made this statement like four times.
Speaker 2: I think it's important Daniel Boone became this American archetype.
Speaker 2: Daniel Boone was like a generation before Crockett Boone. We
Speaker 2: have this image of him that's really pristine, and I
Speaker 2: think it's partly because we never really saw Boone's humanity
Speaker 2: from his own voice. Yeah, there were all these autobiographies
Speaker 2: of Boone were lost or destroyed, and so Boone is
Speaker 2: kind of this mysterious guy that we never actually heard
Speaker 2: from him in his own voice, and Boone has this
Speaker 2: kind of mythical figure because of that.
Speaker 1: Crockett was so.
Speaker 2: Genuine, vulnerable and real in his autobiography. I think it
Speaker 2: is detrimental to him. And the autobiography is laced with
Speaker 2: political stuff and it kind of bugged me because it's
Speaker 2: like every time he was talking, he would say then,
Speaker 2: but at that time, I didn't know that one day
Speaker 2: I would be great and sit amongst the greatest men.
Speaker 1: Of the world.
Speaker 2: Like he kind of is self aggrandizing quite a bit.
Speaker 4: Because he still had an agenda of being president absolutely,
Speaker 4: and yeah, so he you know, I was thinking about
Speaker 4: this through the show. When you're state representative, you're there
Speaker 4: for two years, right, and so as soon as you
Speaker 4: get elected, you're trying to get re elected, which is
Speaker 4: kind of a flaw in our whole deal. If you
Speaker 4: gave those guys a five year term, maybe a single
Speaker 4: five year term. That way you're not worried about getting
Speaker 4: re elected and self promoting as much as you are
Speaker 4: taking care of your folks in in your region.
Speaker 6: Don't bring common sense into this story.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Yeah, but that's how that's how I got it.
Speaker 4: And you know you talked about him being a self promoter. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean he would be a star on Twitter or
Speaker 4: tub or whatever. That's that's who he was.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, he was always bringing he was always bringing up
Speaker 2: his political career inside his autobiography.
Speaker 5: And that's probably why people don't like him, Like that's
Speaker 5: the legacy if that's his autobiosphy.
Speaker 2: I said it before, if he'd had a good editor
Speaker 2: and editor down. I mean, I'm being honest. I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people my write something like that, but
Speaker 2: it goes through so many they would be like, hey,
Speaker 2: that sounds. People said that to me before, believe it
Speaker 2: or not, Joe, they'd been like, hey, when you say
Speaker 2: it like that, it sounds.
Speaker 8: I wonder if that correlated to the style of the time, though,
Speaker 8: and I agree, And you had to be the loudest
Speaker 8: when the loudest guy got.
Speaker 4: Hurt or that he was a Southern frontiersman and everybody
Speaker 4: in the East thought he was going to be an
Speaker 4: idiot regardless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he kind of had a chip on his shoulder.
Speaker 4: He had to fight his way through and.
Speaker 1: It was style of the time.
Speaker 2: And what we heard from Robert Morgan is that Crockett
Speaker 2: like emerged as you know, some would say America's first
Speaker 2: big celebrity, that someone that was famous in their own time,
Speaker 2: that knew about their fame, that interacted with their fame,
Speaker 2: had plays made about them, had a global bestseller book,
Speaker 2: and he the way he talked and the way he
Speaker 2: communicated impacted like the next hundred years of literature. And
Speaker 2: he probably wasn't the only one like it, but he
Speaker 2: was a big voice inside of that. So like him
Speaker 2: just being verbose and talking about himself and jumping the
Speaker 2: Ohio and whipping wildcats and all this stuff. Like I
Speaker 2: don't think he was the one that created that. I
Speaker 2: think he heard people like that on the American Frontier,
Speaker 2: but he was the first guy that had a mouthpiece
Speaker 2: that was talking like that. And you know, I think
Speaker 2: he kind of he liked that and he probably took
Speaker 2: it a little.
Speaker 4: And then it gave probably one of the greatest storytellers
Speaker 4: of all time, Sam Clemens, gave him a catapult to
Speaker 4: move on and be Mark Twain.
Speaker 6: Did he ever learn to read? Crockett? Yeah, yeah, he did.
Speaker 1: We missed that. That was a question of The next
Speaker 1: question was.
Speaker 8: Well when you when you add could again almost ask
Speaker 8: it like, did he ever learn to read?
Speaker 3: Is that really one of the questions?
Speaker 1: Damn bonus point?
Speaker 2: Wow, Canada? When the Quakers Canaday? Was this like really
Speaker 2: straight laced influence in Crockett's life. Crockett was just like
Speaker 2: a poverty stricken rough back.
Speaker 1: I mean, you get the feeling. His dad really loved
Speaker 1: party animal.
Speaker 2: But his dad was a rough man, just like a
Speaker 2: rough old just frontiersman, pushed through poverty, was constantly running
Speaker 2: from being bankrupt and crisis after crisis. His dad had
Speaker 2: grist mill man. Pretty much in American history if you
Speaker 2: read about here's a hot tip. If you're reading about
Speaker 2: American history and you see and then they borrowed some
Speaker 2: money to have a grist mill, Guarantee it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna get washed away in a flood. Calls him to
Speaker 1: go bankrupt. Happened.
Speaker 6: Happened.
Speaker 1: Happened to every single person that ever had a gristmill.
Speaker 1: So we don't get into that business.
Speaker 2: But Canaday was a big influence on Crockett, that kind
Speaker 2: of and there's been people like that identified with that,
Speaker 2: like people I made a statement about how people outside
Speaker 2: of your immediate family when you're in this influential age,
Speaker 2: really do influence I know men that and not that
Speaker 2: your family does something wrong, but you're just family. It's
Speaker 2: like you come out with this worldview from your family
Speaker 2: and then you kind of you see there's other ways
Speaker 2: to do things. Okay, Question number five, what European capital
Speaker 2: city did Crockett almost sail to at the age of fourteen?
Speaker 6: Pairs wrong?
Speaker 7: London?
Speaker 2: Bam, mister Knutan with one H Crockett. We were like,
Speaker 2: literally Crockett's the guy krogg was working with physically restrained
Speaker 2: him from getting on a boat and sailing to London.
Speaker 2: And who knows, he may have got over there and
Speaker 2: stayed and never come back. This is interesting when he
Speaker 2: was just a kid. Okay, Mark Twain was born how
Speaker 2: many months before Crockett died at the Alamo.
Speaker 1: If you remember, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I talked about how their lives overlapped four
Speaker 2: Who said that.
Speaker 1: Brent Reeves four months?
Speaker 6: So what was like a ten Mark Twain.
Speaker 1: Got Davy Crockett.
Speaker 2: Their lives overlapped by four months. I'm fascinated by thinking
Speaker 2: about our lifespans. And you know I talked about I
Speaker 2: was born in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 1: You do the math. I mean, if somebody was eighty
Speaker 1: years old.
Speaker 3: You know, my great grandfather who I knew well, was
Speaker 3: born in eighteen ninety eight. Wow, and I'd love to
Speaker 3: listen to him to the stories pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: So think about I mean, if that were extrapolated back,
Speaker 2: how much older was he than you?
Speaker 6: Well, he was.
Speaker 3: He would have been ninety ninety six when he died,
Speaker 3: and that was probably nineteen ninety two, so.
Speaker 2: You would have been like ten, So he would have
Speaker 2: been like eighty something years older than.
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety two. I was sixteen.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is what I'm saying is is.
Speaker 3: Seventy six, seventy six, seventy oh yeah he was. He
Speaker 3: was eighty eighty eighty eight years older.
Speaker 2: Now what the math I'm trying to do though, is
Speaker 2: if he was born in eighteen ninety eight and he
Speaker 2: was ten years old. He would have could have been
Speaker 2: interacting with people born in the eighteen thirties or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, so technically he could have known men that would
Speaker 2: have grown and Davy Crockett.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, you could go like if you go
Speaker 4: eighty years back, say like our World War two guys, yep,
Speaker 4: those you go eighty years back from that, and that
Speaker 4: was Civil War guys. And you go eighty years back
Speaker 4: from that, and it's the independence. And so if you
Speaker 4: take that, because we got two hundred and fiftieth anniversary
Speaker 4: coming up, we're not that far removed from the founding
Speaker 4: fathers of this country. Which that's some pretty amazing history
Speaker 4: if you just sit back and think about it for
Speaker 4: a minute. And so I'm right there with you. I
Speaker 4: think this is amazing. The overlap.
Speaker 1: Yeah you don't think.
Speaker 2: You think you hear the eighteen hundreds and it's like
Speaker 2: that might as well have been like.
Speaker 1: Dinosaur ten thousand, but it's not.
Speaker 8: I was sixteen or seventeen when my great grandfather died
Speaker 8: and he was born in eighteen ninety one. Really, yep,
Speaker 8: I'm sitting there. I just did the census thing, so
Speaker 8: years I couldn't remember great grandfather, my great grandfather the same.
Speaker 3: The same difference in age between your great grandfather my.
Speaker 6: Greatgrand he was born in eighteen ninety one.
Speaker 5: Your daughter's knew they're great. Well on my side, they're
Speaker 5: they're great great grandparents held them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe
Speaker 5: it was my great grandparents, right, and they're yeah, that's
Speaker 5: that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the score is is two one one.
Speaker 1: Three one. How do you get Joe's one? Josh is three?
Speaker 1: Misty one?
Speaker 3: How many questions?
Speaker 6: Two?
Speaker 2: There are two questions left? Two questions left? What was
Speaker 2: the name of Crockett's first rifle forty eight? Who said
Speaker 2: it first?
Speaker 6: Jose A cheater?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry making it up the World championship? What's up?
Speaker 4: It was named after his sister.
Speaker 3: It was named after his sister, but it wasn't him
Speaker 3: that named it.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, well that wasn't the question.
Speaker 2: Well, he did call his rifle Betsy, Okay, so he
Speaker 2: called he He did officially call his rifle Betsy, but
Speaker 2: the rifle that I actually got to hold in Knoxville
Speaker 2: was not likely the rifle that he called Betsy.
Speaker 5: Did he call all ye in the podcast, it was
Speaker 5: unclear you.
Speaker 2: Get this is more where you get into the mythology,
Speaker 2: because really the only hard, hard evidence, the primary source
Speaker 2: data that you have about David Crockett is that book
Speaker 2: right there, a narrative of the Life of David Crockett
Speaker 2: by David Crockett. And he never mentions Betsy in that book.
Speaker 2: Didn't Yeah, he didn't talk about Betsy. But you know,
Speaker 2: there were a lot of people that knew Crockett that
Speaker 2: wrote about him that would would have brought just like
Speaker 2: fest Parker.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it looks just like Daniel Boone to me.
Speaker 1: So what did y'all think about? Was it cool in
Speaker 1: m j oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was that a good one?
Speaker 2: That was I live for being able to do stuff
Speaker 2: like that on a podcast, like put Michael Jordan on
Speaker 2: there and do some really deep metaphor analogy that probably
Speaker 2: nobody gets.
Speaker 4: But I actually took it a step further and I
Speaker 4: had to research O Betsy a little bit more, and
Speaker 4: I watched I watched YouTube video and seeing the rifle
Speaker 4: and where they talked about they had to reconstruct the
Speaker 4: forearm of the rifle and because it was in such
Speaker 4: bad state whenever he purchased it. Yeah, pretty interesting whole deal.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can sit and watch YouTube videos for
Speaker 4: about ten hours on a Sunday on Davy Crockett if.
Speaker 6: You want to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you saw Joe Swan I did. He's on
Speaker 2: the internet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all over it. Man.
Speaker 2: He is a really nice guy. He and his son
Speaker 2: were like super nice guys, really genuine, really just loved
Speaker 2: Crockett their whole life.
Speaker 1: I mean Joe did. Joe's probably in his seventies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, it was interesting how he got that rifle.
Speaker 6: You still have the ram Rod?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if it's the original.
Speaker 4: What would you say would be the thing that you
Speaker 4: have in your possession that'd be as close to him
Speaker 4: owning that rifle anybody has. Anybody got a piece of history,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: Now this doesn't count totally. Somebody else can go after me,
Speaker 2: but in some ways it does. Right behind you, about
Speaker 2: three feet from you, is a flintlock musloader that James
Speaker 2: Lawrence gave me, my old time hero. He's still alive,
Speaker 2: but he gave me that his old Hawk and fifty
Speaker 2: caliber several years ago. That's special to me. It happens
Speaker 2: to be a flint lock that had.
Speaker 6: To be our family bible.
Speaker 8: It was printed in eighteen thirty six and it's got
Speaker 8: dates in there written of people born in the late
Speaker 8: seventeen hundreds when they purchased that bible and started writing
Speaker 8: the Reeves family history.
Speaker 6: And I've got that.
Speaker 4: That would be that's pretty big.
Speaker 7: Interesting is have you seen my wedding ring?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, I did say. My wife's
Speaker 3: wedding ring has has diamonds from my great grandmother, both
Speaker 3: my maternal and paternal grandmothers, and one for me.
Speaker 4: I've got an old single shot four to ten. It's
Speaker 4: a fold over like you can put it in the
Speaker 4: saddle bag. It's got a notch in that's in the
Speaker 4: butt stock where the trigger guard slides in there. Oh
Speaker 4: that my great grandmother used to shoot at rats in
Speaker 4: the dairy bar. And uh, I've got that hung up
Speaker 4: on the wall. I think that's family history wise, that's
Speaker 4: probably the most important one that I got, short of
Speaker 4: my grandpa's cowboy had That means a lot to me
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 1: But nice, it's a good question.
Speaker 2: So the score is Brent three, Misty one, Josh three,
Speaker 2: You're still three two.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a.
Speaker 6: I thought you said you had seven questions?
Speaker 3: You get you get a third question?
Speaker 6: Right? You did not?
Speaker 3: Joe, You've got to. Joe's got to I've got three.
Speaker 6: You're a cheater.
Speaker 3: That's okay, calling you out?
Speaker 1: Wow wow, words words.
Speaker 6: If that was a final.
Speaker 2: Question and this would be a tie breaker potentially, or
Speaker 2: we may just have to go for a tie or.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 2: In the podcast, I talked about what part of the
Speaker 2: bear did Hunters and Crocketts time bladder? I am Joe
Speaker 2: to transport the rendered barrel and the answer was a
Speaker 2: dry bladder.
Speaker 6: That's true. Time.
Speaker 1: We got a three three part time Misty. Can you
Speaker 1: think of a question a tie breaking question?
Speaker 7: Yeah? What about with that? Can I just go ahead
Speaker 7: and ask it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: This is tie breaker. Whoever gets it wins.
Speaker 7: I'm thinking about he's got to cheater.
Speaker 1: I think he's got three.
Speaker 3: How many questions?
Speaker 6: Have we had?
Speaker 3: Nine questions? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You got a question when was he jilted?
Speaker 7: And by who?
Speaker 6: When?
Speaker 1: I don't even know the answer to that.
Speaker 3: I don't know that was that was?
Speaker 6: That was a Quaker game?
Speaker 3: Did it say what year? No, he was seventeen? Was
Speaker 3: he seventeen? We got on that one and his name
Speaker 3: was started with an l Okay.
Speaker 7: I got one the night before his wedding is what
Speaker 7: I would have?
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 1: What is the name of Crocketts first one? Polly is
Speaker 1: our winner around.
Speaker 4: He's going to get.
Speaker 1: The bottle of Wilsonshire saw.
Speaker 4: To cook it, drink it and depending how you behave,
Speaker 4: I'll autograph it.
Speaker 1: Joe. Joe's face is on the bottle of wilson Shire.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: It's got cowboy hat, big mustache. It was a right
Speaker 2: marketing move for your face.
Speaker 3: Can I tell you my favorite part of the podcast? Yes,
Speaker 3: my favorite part of the podcast was when he showed
Speaker 3: up when he was I don't I don't remember what
Speaker 3: after he had worked for Canada fifteen Is that after
Speaker 3: he worked for Canada, when he when he had the
Speaker 3: forty dollars bond and he walked back and he set
Speaker 3: it down in front of his dad and his dad said,
Speaker 3: I don't have money for that, and he said, I
Speaker 3: took care of it. I was like that, that's the
Speaker 3: kind of thing that like, well, first of all, it
Speaker 3: pulls at the heartstrings a little bit because I loved
Speaker 3: the sacrifice and commitment. I mean this is for a
Speaker 3: dad who bonded you out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But just the commitment and then the lack of I mean,
Speaker 3: he could have done it and been been you know,
Speaker 3: held a grudge about it, but he didn't. And and
Speaker 3: I love that it said that his dad, who was
Speaker 3: who repeatedly was referred to as a you know, the
Speaker 3: the what was the name of the Irish ulster Scott. Yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: would have been a rough man. I mean he ran
Speaker 3: a tavern that he shed many tears over that. I
Speaker 3: thought that's the kind of thing that that after years
Speaker 3: of I'm sure they probably didn't have a great relationship,
Speaker 3: that's the kind of thing that that builds a bond there,
Speaker 3: that makes that father and son dynamic.
Speaker 8: Right, it was the right thing to do. I go
Speaker 8: back to that talking about that too, Josh. It was
Speaker 8: just I think it was a I don't think it
Speaker 8: was an anomaly. There was probably a lot of that
Speaker 8: stuff going on. He was just unfortunate enough to be
Speaker 8: one of the out of that litter of nine, wasn't
Speaker 8: it nine that that had to go pay that off?
Speaker 8: So I think it was the right thing.
Speaker 1: I felt like.
Speaker 2: So every most people, maybe not most people, a lot
Speaker 2: of people would know the high points of Crockett's life.
Speaker 2: When you're trying to tell a big story like this,
Speaker 2: you know, there's some things you just have to leave
Speaker 2: out and.
Speaker 1: Some things you want to add in.
Speaker 2: I felt like everybody knows a lot of the big
Speaker 2: Crocket stuff, but his childhood, actually what made him who
Speaker 2: he was, I felt like was really important.
Speaker 1: And I actually kind of felt.
Speaker 2: Like maybe this podcast would be a little boring because
Speaker 2: it's kind of like small stuff, Like, you know, I
Speaker 2: included when he took that canoe across the river. He
Speaker 2: included that in his autobiography. Basically, I just went through
Speaker 2: the autobiography and included most of the not maybe not
Speaker 2: even most, but some percentage of the stories. I wanted
Speaker 2: to include the stuff about his dad. I wanted to
Speaker 2: include the stuff about him coming home and no one
Speaker 2: recognizing him. You remember that, Yeah, Like he walks back
Speaker 2: into his own house, Ye, gets a room from one
Speaker 2: of his family members, sets down at the table in
Speaker 2: one of his sister's.
Speaker 4: Record because he had matured so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and and he and Crockett, to his own detriment,
Speaker 2: always showed his cards in a genuine way. He said,
Speaker 2: he said, when they embraced me, and my dad embraced
Speaker 2: me even though he was mad at me when I left,
Speaker 2: and he said, it made me wish I had never
Speaker 2: put them through all this stuff. When Crockett was jilted
Speaker 2: the day before his wedding, and and I'm saying this
Speaker 2: because the next episode you see Crockett's blunder, which Crockett
Speaker 2: did kind of screw his life up eventually. Yeah, Crockett, Uh,
Speaker 2: Like when he talked about getting jilted. I listened to
Speaker 2: that part today and he went into great detail, vulnerable
Speaker 2: detail in his autobiography about how it hurt him when
Speaker 2: this this woman left him, like literally the day.
Speaker 6: I just brushed over it, like.
Speaker 2: He was a man just like any of us. And
Speaker 2: I that's what's cool about Crockett. You don't know that
Speaker 2: stuff about Boone nothing. It's a mystery. It's a mystery
Speaker 2: what went on with Boone and and but Krogett you
Speaker 2: see him full, full scale, and he represented a an
Speaker 2: archetype really of manhood in America and the frontier that
Speaker 2: I believe today is still active, for better or worse.
Speaker 2: That's why these things are so interesting to me because
Speaker 2: It's like we wake up and are born into something
Speaker 2: that tells us what has value. And that's why I
Speaker 2: think this stuff is interesting to look back at why
Speaker 2: we think the way we think.
Speaker 1: And obviously people like us people.
Speaker 2: Connected to hunting specifically, but just rural America. And it's
Speaker 2: not just hunters that are connected to Crockett. I mean
Speaker 2: he set a template for a lot of different stuff.
Speaker 2: But I like to learn where you know are Well,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get into more.
Speaker 7: Ei, We're gonna get into Yeah.
Speaker 2: So closing comments, Joe, it's been great to have you man,
Speaker 2: really so it was so good hearing about the Squirrel
Speaker 2: Cookoff September twenty third.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Springdale, Arkansas. Man, be there. Brent's gonna for sure
Speaker 1: be there.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 2: I've got a trip, but I think I'm going to
Speaker 2: be back by that time.
Speaker 4: Well, we'd love to have all your listeners. And like
Speaker 4: I say, they could pay attention to that Facebook page.
Speaker 4: That's I'm old school. I don't have all the other
Speaker 4: ones all right, but on Facebook he could look up
Speaker 4: the World Champions Squirrel Cookoff and hey, could I give
Speaker 4: We also have a podcast, yes, absolutely. Our podcast is
Speaker 4: called cooking Up a Story and we try to put
Speaker 4: faces on common people. And because so many people get overlooked,
Speaker 4: we don't pay attention to the guy that makes the doughnuts.
Speaker 4: We don't know who that person is. So we drag
Speaker 4: in common people and we dig deep into their start
Speaker 4: of their life all the way up to current and
Speaker 4: we get better because of it.
Speaker 2: So it's a really neat podcast. Yeah, what was the
Speaker 2: one you sent me?
Speaker 4: I sent you the donut Man. Yeah, and so I
Speaker 4: had a curiosity why every time I went to the
Speaker 4: donut shop there was an Asian guy making my donuts.
Speaker 4: And come to find out, they're all Cambodian. And this
Speaker 4: guy had survived the killing fields. He was a Buddhist monk.
Speaker 4: He was enslaved several times in his life, and he
Speaker 4: prayed to Jesus, wound up in New York City and
Speaker 4: become an American as a Buddhist.
Speaker 1: That episode is phenomenal.
Speaker 4: It's uh yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Joe, he's given you the short version, which is good.
Speaker 2: But basically, Joe just said a stereotype that anybody in
Speaker 2: America would probably recognize that a lot of donut shops
Speaker 2: are run by Asian people.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not like that's just it happens.
Speaker 2: Joe went to his local donut shop and just interviewed
Speaker 2: the guy that owned the shop. This is a short version,
Speaker 2: and this guy has the most phenomenal story you've ever heard.
Speaker 4: In it's amazing. I mean, this guy needs a movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's his name?
Speaker 4: Lang Tang, Lang Tang, And.
Speaker 1: It's called what's it called?
Speaker 4: It's cooking up a story in that episode is the
Speaker 4: podcast is cooking up a story of the episode is
Speaker 4: donut guy, donut guy and phenomenon. I mean, that's how
Speaker 4: we look at people. Sure, right, that's the guy that
Speaker 4: pours the concrete, the plumber, that's the mailman, And we've
Speaker 4: surrounded ourselves with all these people. And back in time,
Speaker 4: I'm saying, when I was a pup, we knew those
Speaker 4: people's names. And one of the problems with society right
Speaker 4: now is you push a button, you buy something, you
Speaker 4: don't know nothing about it. You don't even know the
Speaker 4: guy that dropped it off on your front porch. So
Speaker 4: we're trying to find common people who have exceptional stories
Speaker 4: and unless we sit down with and those stories are lost.
Speaker 4: So that's that's the game. And then the guy across
Speaker 4: from me wearing the overalls. Man. How about his show?
Speaker 1: Yeah man, this week this country life Brent Reeves.
Speaker 6: Squirrel dogs, squirrel dogs, talking all about them.
Speaker 8: Get your prepped up for going to the World Show Championship.
Speaker 4: Good stuff, great show man. Looking forward to the rest.
Speaker 4: We're getting into the Alamo.
Speaker 1: We will later.
Speaker 6: Got you.
Speaker 1: It's getting close, all right.
Speaker 2: Keep your wild places wild and get your Wilson shirts off.
Speaker 6: Break out the case.